September 24, 2011 - 7:25 pm
Don’t look now but the whole liberal media just got their mouth washed out with soap. Their reactionary canard that the Tea Party or the Republicans are racist just got exposed as the absurdly bigoted idea that it is by Cain’s victory in the Florida Straw Poll.
Now suppose Herman Cain actually went on to win the nomination. Would that be Barack Obama’s worst nightmare? I think it would. I think it might also create the most momentous realignment in the history of American politics.
One of Herman’s X-Large pizza’s will take that soapy taste out of their mouth real quick. If you live in FL, this is not a surprise as most of my independent friends have been fans of Cain from the start. (not as articulate as the others in the current debate format, but speaks from the heart and with conviction)
Actually, that depends on your definition of articulate. In many ways, he’s the most articulate candidate out there, if your definition includes clarity of expression. As a professional writer for forty years, that would be mine.
Roger…thank you for your “clarity of expression” definition. I’ve been in the PR business for 25+ years, and within our field the question that’s often asked is, “Do you follow AP, or another, style(book, such as the Chicago manual) when you write?” My response invariably is, I’ll follow whatever style is needed to assure that I can be understood by the reader.
I agree: I’ll endeavor to articulate better as well! My complaint is more with the format.
Ditto. And I would add simplicity.
Speaking also as a professional, but in the business communications arena, clarity and simplicity are essential. My basic rule is the more complex and dense the topic, the more simple, clear and precise our language must be.
Cain understands that, and it’s why his 9-9-9 strategy is gaining support. It’s simple, it’s clear, it’s concrete. We all get it. Plus, it’s a refreshing, dramatic contrast to the weasle words and strategies that have characterized American politics for decades.
To paraphrase the immortal words of Whoopie Goldberg, Herman Cain isn’t really “black-black.”
Seriously, I like and respect Herman Cain. He’s a decent guy, a successful American businessman and, like Clarence Thomas, goes against the leftist meme of what a black American ought to think and do.
He’s not polished (in the sense of being a slick-prepackaged personality to be sold by the political establishment [which is a good thing IMHO]), nor is he yet up to speed on foreign policy issues. But he will be able to quickly overcome these deficits with the right people advising him. And as all successful CEO’s know, it’s the people you surround yourself with that make all the difference in the world, and I think Cain would surround himself with the absolute best and brightest conservative minds around.
The political gamesmanship B.S. is another matter. All I’m saying is that Cain is a great American. Isn’t that what we really need? And is that enough?
And as an added bonus, having Herman Cain as our candidate will allow us to silence liberals who trash his candidacy.
“You only oppose him because you’re a racist! It’s hating on a black man, straight up!”
Watch their heads explode when you hit them with that line.
Here’s an even weirder thought: Cain is strong in the financial and management areas (which the public badly wants right now), but weak in foreign affairs and military matters. A certain congressman from Florida is very strong in those areas, and btw, is the same race as Cain. They compliment each other exquisitely. Let’s see what Sharpton and the rest of the gang have to say about that.
As a black conservative, I would respectfully caution you against focusing on a “let’s have a ‘their black guy vs. our black guy’ election – the next election in this country is so crucial and significant, that just canting it on racial terms is self-defeating and runs counter to what the Republican Party (the party, after all, that made it possible for blacks to vote and be elected President in the first place) should be all about.
I have a great deal of respect for Herman Cain, and I can certainly see him in the White House. But I don’t see him through the lens of “our” black candidate – as a counterweight of some sort to Barack Obama. That’s Morgan Freeman-type thinking, and I would hope that my fellow conservatives would rise above that.
As far as pairing him with someone who has a foreign policy background and is simpatico with the military … it doesn’t have to be Col. West – a very impressive man in his own right. The Vice President is usually not this country’s point person on foreign affairs; the Secretary of State is. And the military is best represented by the Secretary of Defense and the Chair of the Joint Chiefs. So, let’s open our thinking on possible candidates and possible combinations, shall we? It could very well be that two of the present candidates will end up as President and Vice-President, for instance. We’ve still several months away from the election, and there are certainly many more gaffes and head-shaking dumb moves by the Obama circus to contend with.
HEAR HEAR!
I don’t think of Cain as “the Black canidate” I think of him as the businessman canidate. Or the “Pizza” canidate if you want to be funny. Seriously I just like the guy I don’t care what color he is.
Clarity of expression.
NWB,
I would submit to you, that while we are all aware that Mr. Cain is black, many conservatives see it as a plus, but not from a diversity/deflect the racism charge/affirmative action viewpoint.
Given the intense pressure within the black community to conform to the leftist groupthink, we are aware that it takes a special type of independent thinking and indeed, courage for a black man (or woman) to publicly defy the political norms of the community.
It is indeed this type of boldness, (in addition to the fact that we politically agree with them) that makes them such good candidates.
You’re right, of course. But a black conservative as President would do much to dismantle not just the entitlement structure, but the entitlement mindset. I see that as a huge plus for our country.
Thanks for offering some insight on this. I just sent Cain a small contribution. I fear that Romney is too close to the establishment, and that Bachmann is not a strong candidate. I have supported them both in the past.
We need a strong team. Cain would be good as president or vice president. I do not think that he would draw many black votes, but maybe enough to win. I will vote for any Republican but will probably vote for Cain in the primary.
Now that would be the REAL fulfillment of MLK’s vision.
it’s complement, not compliment
Do ya really think that even this is gonna cause the Dinosaur Media to lose the “Tea Parties are racist” meme?
They’re far too desperate. They know The One that they helped elect is going down in flames this time, so they’re acting desperate.
I agree, and I want to say that it doesn’t matter what the lamestreamers think of us or our candidates; they helped elect Barack Obama, which is turning out to be their defeat as well as the Democrats’ … so, let’s leave them out of our tasks and responsibilities – which is to find, choose, and put forward a candidate, and a team, that will be our standard-bearer in the fight to come. We know what liberals think of us; we know what the lamestreamers think of us … and we know what Morgan Freeman thinks of us.
Who cares?
THEY don’t decide our candidates for us. THEY don’t get to pick who THEY feel most comfortable with. THEY don’t choose our precepts, THEY don’t form our political beliefs, and THEY don’t design our convictions. WE do.
Paying them too much attention in the recent past helped give this country its’ worst President ever. I think it’s time to give them as little attention as possible, while we attend to business.
Will this stop the “racist” meme from the MSM or the Dems? Nope. But will it make more and more everyday voters who are independents, Democrats, or just not particularly political come to the sensible conclusion that this LIE is just that–a lie? Yes. That’s partly the beauty of it–the more they dive into this nonsense of teaparty=racist the more they expose themselves and lose what’s left of their credibility.
There is a business and public relations axiom that goes like this: “Time either promotes you or exposes you.” That’s happening all over these days, and it is a good thing that is making it more likely that OUR time has come.
The main surprise is how far Perry has fallen and he campaigned desperately in the Florida straw poll.
Romney did not even campaign in this straw poll
Congratulations to Cain– but this is as far as it goes for him–well done
“Congratulations to Cain– but this is as far as it goes for him–well done”
If you say so.
Victor, you’re a little too politically jaded if you think that this is as far as Herman Cain can come. You have underestimated his ability to connect with people, and his steadfast and inspiring qualities. Did you SEE how the debate audience reacted to him the other night? You have to believe the other candidates were thinking, “Man, if I could do that … this would be a lot easier for me.” He took two minutes – TWO MINUTES – to completely destroy Obamacare – and in a way that anyone could relate to!
Don’t make the mistake of underestimating Herman Cain.
Let the bloodletting begin. It will take a moment or two for the democrat attack machine to re-align but they will. I predict by tommorows Sunday Talk shows we will see the first of many salvos to destroy Herman Cain and one of those will be that he is not authentic. He will be the latest Uncle Tom. They have no shame and the attacks are likely to be vicious, unfounded and based on singular facts taken in isolation. I do not wish this sort of thing on anyone but I am sure it will happen.
The easily distracted will buy into the new narrative. The democrat machine has done this with every black conservative without exception. The Tea Party will still be racist and Herman Cain will demonized and belittled for being a tool of the obviously racist republicans and Tea Party types.
I wish this was not true because the distraction caused by such vile tactics will pollute the electorate to such a degree that it will set race relations back. Race relations cannot be allowed to move forward or evolve, it would destroy the democrat base.
Perhaps, but the only ones who will buy into that meme wouldn’t vote for a Republican if he was black man who grew up in a Detroit ghetto.
If the MSM goes after Cain, it would be a publicity bonanza for him! There is no such thing as bad publicity, especially if those who need to know about you, still don’t. =^[.]^=
Mr. Cain has already sabotaged himself pretty effectively, with ideology-first climate change skepticism.
Mr. Cain’s climate-change strategy is optimal for a businessman. That’s because the median life-span of a business is less than ten years.
Mr. Cain’s climate-change strategy utterly stupid … and in the long-run, utterly disastrous … for an American nation that has been “in business” for the past 234 years … and hopes to be in-business for that many more.
America doesn’t need another short-sighted ideology-first President.
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Climate-Change Myths from Herman Cain
URL: http://www.skepticalscience.com/skepticquotes.php?s=108
America doesn’t need another short-sighted ideology-first President.
For once you said something that I can agree with. That’s why Obama must be defeated. Now do yourself a favor and latch onto another scam…the “global warming aka climate change aka climate disruption aka whatever they’re calling it this week is completely played out.
A Physicist, my good sir? For sooth, how goodly of you to honor us with your distinguished presence and bestow your truths upon us. And without charge as well, my good sir. Were I as wise as you I would demand several ducats at least, not to say gold sovereigns, for such wisdom as you provide on a daily basis gratis from your charitable self.
Do not be alarmed if others do laugh at you or declare you pompous. They are but idiots, groundlings of the most foolish sort, or my name is not Il Dottore…. Or perhaps it is yours.
http://www.shane-arts.com/Commedia-Dottore.htm
Physicist, who is no physicist but a university professor, pretends to be a physicist promoting the religion of human-cause global warming. What scares him most about Herman Cain is that Cain would make it harder for global warming jihadists to continue sucking at the teat of public funding, and stop their hidden agenda of restoring feudalism by making it impossible for commoners to travel at will, and consuming our discretionary income by making the cost of energy much more expensive. Feudalism requires reducing our means to the level of basic survival.
Anybody who has followed physicist’s graffiti at PJM will note his one-note samba, repeatedly promoting Admiral Titley as justification that global warming is your fault. (Not Al Gore’s, who has generated an enormous carbon footprint jet setting around the world to promote the goal of forcing YOU to shrink your carbon footprint so that your betters can continue ruling your life.)
Dr. John is nothing but a lackey running-dog for the feudalist supremacists like Gore and Obama. He cringes and licks their hands in order to continue getting his doggie treats of funding and tenure, knowing that he’s completely unable to function in the real world where people would be hired and promoted based upon merit and productivity, which is what Herman Cain, being a self-made businessman, represents.
Run back to your kennel, Johnny Boy, and tuck your tail between your legs before it gets bitten off.
“Mr. Cain’s climate-change strategy utterly stupid.”
Really? Stupider than the Climate-change-doom-monger-in-Chief who spent $535 million of our money to stimulate Solyndra, owned by bundler billionaire Kaiser? Forgot, Solyndra has just gone bankrupt. I believe it’s just a coincidence. Stupider than the Climate-change-doom-monger-in-Chief who refused to let us drill oil, then stimulate Petrobra, Brazil’s Giant Oil with $20 billion of our money to do their deep sea drillings? By the way, Soros is one of the largest non-Brazil govt owner of Petrobra. I believe it’s just another coincidence. Yeah, the most brilliant One has devised the most brilliant policy to cut down carbon emissions: kill the economy. Dead economy does no manufacturings, requires no workers going to work in their gas-guzzeling clunkers. Oops, forgot the most brilliant One has got rid of the clunkers, so everyone can drive a Govt. Motor electric car.
Btw, you may be one of a handful of egocentric rubes who still believe the Divinity drop-out’s fire and brimstone man made global warming doom mongering. Most of us Heliocentric believers believe the Sun has most to do with warming the Earth.
An impoverished country is a dirty country. I have seen this all over the world. If the carbon argument is true, and I have my doubts, is it not hypocritical to impoverish the American People so that they will burn more wood for fuel and pile up more trash?
Re. “A Physicist”???
Wow. Got yerself one of those fizzy cysts, dooya? In the words of Bill Clinton, “You’d better put some ice on that.”
Don’t feed the trolls, people!
Just so everyone knows,
A Physicist is Dr. John Sidles of the University of Washington.
Charlie Martin outed him back during the Fukushima crisis.
He’s also an Expert on Everythingology (just ask him!) and a confirmed troll.
I find it amazing that there are still people who cling to the man made global warming theory. This is especially true with the revelations that the data was falsified to support that theory.
You are a scientist, so you KNOW that the history of the earth is one of hot and cold swings in the climate, the majority happening before man ever inhabited the planet. And, there will continue to be such climatic swings until our sun goes nova and swallows our solar system.
Global warming, as portrayed by the press and the politicians, is nothing more than a ploy to steal more of your money, and give more control and power to the political class, at the price of individual freedom.
Oh, shut up “physick”. We all know you refuse to even consider the evidence against the pack of lies known now as “climate change” — previous “the coming ice age” and “global warming”.
If you’d look at the evidence, instead of clinging to the Green ideology like it’s a life raft in the middle of the North Atlantic, you’d earn some respect.
Oh Lord, give me the strength to ignore the troll…
It’s hard, isn’t it? The man is a professional when it comes to concern trolling.
They will call Cain stupid, graduated from Morehouse College, whoever heard of that dinky little place. Then they will call him Uncle Tom. Think Clarence Thomas.
You are joking right? Morehouse is a very prestigious school. Kudos to Cain’s parents for figuring out a way to pay for him to go there (or for Cain to fund it himself).
If the “graduate of Morehouse College” fact bothers you I would like to point out that Herman Cain did his post-graduate work at Purdue University. If you would like the lengthy list of distinguished graduates from Purdue I will be happy to furnish it.
For real. You have to be a math and science wonk just to get your application in the door. Also: Purdue has put more astronauts in space than any other university.
Since Morehouse is a historically black college that was part of the United Negro College Fund group of colleges, it would be impossible for the MSM to touch it.
Nice catch.
Moreover, they will not call him stupid. It would only bring attention to the fact that his graduate degree is in Mathematics, and his post-grad is in Computer Science. The guy is a geek.
They never talk about Bachmann’s education for the same reason. Post-JD in tax law? Not stupid.
Romney? Stanford and BYU. Got his MBA and JD from Harvard. Not gonna attack him, either.
Gingrich? Doctorate in History.
Paul? Doctorate in Medicine.
Now we come to the others.
Huntsman? High School drop-out. (Decided to join a band.) GED. BA in International Politics.
Johnson? BS U of NM.
Perry? BS Texas A&M. C’s, D’s, & F’s. In Animal Science. Husbandry.
It depends on whom we choose as the nominee, as to whether we hear the stupid label or not. So, of course, we should make Perry our nominee. We really are the Stupid Party. (sigh)
Nominating Cain would remove race from the equation. Leaving only ideas and accomplishments to be compared. Nothing could be more healthy for America
I like Herman Cain but I hate the 9 9 9 plan as spelled out here: http://www.hermancain.com/images/economicgrowth.pdf. Two problems come out immediately:
1) What is going to stop the plan from morphing into the 40 40 40 plan?
2) What happens to the tens of millions of retirees who live on under $50,000 per year derived from savings, pensions, Social Security, etc.? Their federal tax goes up from about zero under the current system (with deductions), to 9% on everything they buy and 9% of whatever they get as income. I also don’t like this tax because it is designed to pay for the status quo. We need to cut the cost of government significantly so that a national sales tax is unnecessary.
Again, I really like Cain and hope someone can set me straight about either the 9 9 9 plan or the so-called Fair Tax (which is even worse for the people in the situation I describe above, given its projected high initial rate).
I think you answered your own question; cutting government spending is the other half of the Cain proposal. You can’t cut taxes and/or reform the tax code without also reducing government spending. Think of it like this; the best thing a Cain administration can do is pair his proposals with what Gov. Daniels is doing in Indiana – he’s balanced the state budget for three years running, cutting spending while doing other things like reducing the size and reach of government, cutting business regulation, and expanding school choice in Indiana farther than anywhere else in America.
You can’t look at Cain’s proposal in a fishbowl; you have to couple it with the belief that he will surround himself with people with similar economic plans like Mitch Daniels, and who will help him flesh out his economic plan to cover a lot of ground … which will then maximize the effect of his tax proposals. Remember, too, that the flat tax is designed to WIDEN the tax base without making people pay MORE in taxes, in general. His sales tax is dependent on what a consumer buys; not how much is taken out of his or her paycheck every two weeks. If you’re paying less (or no) payroll taxes, then you have more to spend. Spending more (at your discretion) creates more revenues – which, paired with less government EXPENSE, means more monies flowing through consumers’ and businesses’ hands – which is where it should be. Citizens can spend more, and businesses have more funds to hire – which creates more taxpayers, which widens the tax base even more …. it’s a chain.
And if you then simplify the tax code – lower the overall rates, kick out deductions and loopholes as Cain is proposing – the government saves more, spends less, and the economy takes off. This is what Perry and Daniels have done in their states; the idea is that if you take it to the federal level, ESPECIALLY BY CHANGING THE TAX CODE … then you can lower unemployment, get companies hiring, inject more money into the economy, and pay off the federal debt faster than even under Paul Ryan’s proposal. It’s free market capitalism at its’ best.
I agree with you, NWBill. However, you said “Spending more (at your discretion) creates more revenues . . .” If the Supreme Court holds that the individual mandate in Obamacare is Constitutional, citizens will no longer have discretion as to how they spend their money. If the government in Washington wants more money, it will pass a law requiring us to buy more things. Oh? You think they wouldn’t do that?
It will be interesting but… sad to watch the media now spin around in fury and come at Cain and the TEA Party with some new angle. Cain is an Uncle Tom. Cain is not black. Cain is a sellout. Cain needs to be investigated. Blah blah. Now that they’ve been proven utterly wrong AGAIN.
TEA!
Man, oh, man! If Cain was the candidate, I would sprint to the polls with a smile on my face!
I’ve been dragged kicking and screaming into the voting booth for the likes of Dole and McCain! Please give me Herman!
AMEN!!!
I agree. I’ve been in Atlanta for a long time and used to listen to Mr. Cain fill in for Neal Boortz and Sean Hannity from time to time. Then I listened when he got his own evening show. I occasionally didn’t agree with him, but respected his well-articulated positions.
The other thing I really liked about him was his common-sense approach. He had a great way of dealing with callers (even the nutty ones) and he always kept his sense of humor. He strikes me as the real deal – a good man with good ideas.
I’m not counting Perry out just yet despite his disappointing debate performance. But if Perry doesn’t recover and win some primaries, I could see him throwing his support to Cain rather than Romney. I expect him to keep campaigning even if he loses the New Hampshire primary. Some one asked why the Perry team was putting so much effort into New Hampshire when it was considered to be pretty much Romney territory. Someone on the team said you never can tell, you learn things when you campaign, and it is better to be perceived a trying against the odds than not trying at all.
An old consultant once told me that no matter how smart the people were at a presentation, it wasn’t a good idea to present more the five bullet points. To me Cain apparently knows this. Heh, imagine the exploding heads if it is a Cain/Perry ticket for the Presidential race. A Perry vs. Biden debate, now that would be interesting.
I’m not counting Perry out yet either, but at this point what makes you long for a Perry/Biden debate? Or for any Perry debate? All three of his debate performances have been deeply disappointing at best, with no indication of any improvement. So what if Biden is a walking gaffe spouter? The way he’s going now, Perry could easily lose to him and that would be a disaster for the top of the repub ticket. Let’s face it, if Perry doesn’t up his game enough to stay in the top two for the primary, the winner is not going to choose him as a running mate. There are way too many excellent choices. And I say this as someone who has been supporting Perry up to now.
Well voters are funny. They don’t always vote for the best debater. Consider, G.W. Bush won the Presidency. Also consider Perry impressed Roger Simon who has seen his share of bull throwers and should be able to I.D. one.
Perry started late in the race actually, and he’s had a lot on his plate in State. However he also has a lot of favors owed him because of his fund raising for others. While he may not be the man with the most delegates he’ll have a considerable number of them and a fairly large war chest. One of Cain’s problems has been fund raising and Perry could help there. So if Cain took on Perry for Vs. he would get money, more money, and delegates. Also the Perry campaign organization is very, very, good at the grass roots, local level. You don’t always see it reported in the MSM but it can show up in the polling data. Perry’s campaign team took down Kay Hutchinson and Carl Rove. It is not an organization to write off too quickly. Perry’s problem is he is better at retail than wholesale politics and doing that on a national scale could be a problem. If Cain comes out on top I hope Cain gets a really solid Vs. selection because I have concerns about his long term health. There is some possibility that his cancer could come back. I really don’t want to see another Democrat President for another 8 years.
If you can’t see the humor in a Perry vs. Biden debate then I can’t explain it to you. Though less likely now, a Cain, Palin ticket, with an endorsement by Perry is another humorous possibility.
At the risk of incurring the ever-ready wrath of the Paulistas, has anyone bothered to notice the OTHER major result of this straw poll…that Ron Paul isn’t anywhere near the top of it? Not only are voters in this poll reacting positively to sensible, solution-based Herman Cain, they’re rejecting mightily the emotional, shoot-from-the-hip types which recently include both Paul and, alas, Michelle Bachmann. I hate this endless talk about who is an who isn’t “electable” because it is usually a propaganda tool for one candidate or another, but I LOVE that people are voting for who’s SENSIBLE, clear, cogent, and straight. God bless Herman Cain, and the more the media does its nonsense on him, the better and better he’ll continue to look, not just compared to the other candidates and to Obama, but compared to the media and the talking heads who’ve helped Obama & Co. run the nation into a very deep ditch.
Paul’s camp forgot to send the memo, so they didn’t mob this one.
To me, Cain is somewhat reminiscent of Howard Dean in ’04 – plays well to the base (and I am part of that base); but will lose appeal in the broader electorate.
And don’t expect him to get much of the black vote if he were nominated – he’s running against the man that Black America considers a Messiah to supplant Jesus.
I really like Cain (I’ve actually voted for him before, when he ran for U.S. Senate in Georgia), but I’m sorry to say I can’t support him for the GOP presidential nomination. He’s not ready for that job. He’s proven it over and over again, every time he tries to answer a question about something other than business stuff. Sorry, nice guy, great story, good ideas, but not ready for the oval office. The last thing we need is another guy who needs on the job training even if this one’s heart would be in the right place.
What this Country needs more than anything else is someone with a solid business background and experience, successful business experience. At this stage of the game does anything else really matter? What is or could be more important? Without our financial affairs in order does anything else really matter in the long run? I do understand where you are coming from.
I understand what you’re saying, too…the nation’s finances are a national security issue, too. Problem is, the real world tends to insist that all that other stuff matters, whether you want it to or not. Recall George W Bush ran on, basically, being a business guy who was going to tone down America’s role in the world to concentrate on economics at home, etc. The terrorists had other plans, though. I guess the thing that worries me most about Cain’s lack of experience in this are is that, despite the fact that he’s basically been running for president for what? At least a couple of years now? When asked about non-business, non-economic stuff, he’s made it painfully obvious that he had not spent any of that time boning up on stuff that he doesn’t have experience in (i.e. foreign policy). No, I don’t expect a president to be an expert in everything, but how hard is it to realize you’re going to get asked questions about that sort of subject if you run for president? And yet those questions have completely befuddled him. (shrug) Sorry, but that’s just not someone I want in the White House in the dangerous world we live in today. One president completely ignorant of foreign policy (like the SCoaMF) currently occupying the WH) is enough for awhile.
I would LOVE to cast my vote for Herman Cain, and am greatly interested in seeing how he changes his game now.
Perry has turned out to be just as troubling as Romney in the “questionable constitutional principles” department, and can’t debate himself out of a wet paper bag. And I’ll never cast another another vote for Romney. Period.
I, for one, am excited about this development, and believe that if there were ever a year that we can get a candidate out of the mainstream crony-capitalist RINO mode, this is it.
Conventional political wisdom is dead, much to the chagrin of “realists” throughout the political spectrum. Herman Cain is a living example.
Snork (and others) the plain fact is that Mr. Cain has got himself into climate-change trouble.
Mr. Cain has foolishly embraced the ideology-first climate change disinformation that is being spread largely by corporate interests.
• If Mr. Cain believed that disinformation, he’s dumb.
• If Mr. Cain spread it to curry “the base”, he’s an unprincipled flip-flopper.
The same dismaying reality applies to most of Republican field.
Kudos to Jon Huntsman for being a shining exception.
The others embrace mindless corporate ideologies; Huntsman’s got Mother Nature.
That’s why, the long run, Huntsman’s brand of conservatism will win.
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Requiem for a Species: Why We Resist the Truth About Climate Change
URL: http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2011/sep/25/tdmain07-climate-change-keeps-stirring-debate-ar-1334801/
“That’s why, the long run, Huntsman’s brand of conservatism will win.”
Seriously, Comrade Vladimir Ilyich, put down the crack pipe and get out of the faculty lounge.
Eric R., it’s clear you’ve noticed that the ideology-first right-wingers on PJM/Tatler purely *love* the same rhetoric tactics as ideology-first left-wingers.
Because ideology-first lefties and righties aren’t all that different, eh?
Ideological purists (of any and all kinds) purists never have a “Plan B” in case their ideology is wrong … that’s why they make bad leaders:
Today’s ideology-first climate-change skeptics are as dead-wrong about AGW, as the Bush administrations ideology-first neocons were dead-wrong about free-market Iraq reconstruction.
Both ideologies tried to forbid talk of “Plan B”. Both ideologies failed and gravely harmed our nation.
American conservatism should not go down the path to ideology-first disaster.
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Perry’s climate views take heat
URL: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/politics/article/Perry-s-climate-views-take-heat-2187422.php
You can point out all the Eco-Marxist propaganda you want, Comrade.
I bet you also believe that Bush was behind 9-11; Hamas is a national liberation front, and Communism can work even though it has done nothing but murder 150 million people; it just hasn’t had the right people doing it.
I do not argue with filthy, degenerate, morally depraved Marxist sub-human scum like you; I just call you out for being the POS that you are.
Johnny-one-note is the most ideologically driven commenter on this site, yet attacks others for being “ideology-first”.
Dr. John, please bookmark this comment. I will be, and I want you to have it handy for reference.
I will bet you $20 (I know how meager a professor’s salary is), that Huntsman won’t win the nomination for the 2012 cycle.
You now have the option of accepting, rejecting, or ignoring this offer. Of course, the last two will simply demonstrate how little you believe your own words. You could also try to spin it, but that would do the same thing.
So, Dr. John Sidles of the used-to-be-prestigious University of Washington, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?
ConservativeWanderer, whether Huntsman wins the nomination is totally different from whether Huntsman is right about AGW, eh?
Moreover, every student of American history can call to mind a Republican candidate who took a principled stand that gravely harmed the nation’s stronges economic interest … a candidate who withstood abuse for that stand … a candidate who, against all odds, won both the nomination and the presidency.
That Republican candidate’s name? Abraham Lincoln.
Lincoln’s principled stand? He affirmed that the nation’s most profitable economic institution, namely slavery, was morally wrong.
How much smearing and personal abuse did Lincoln suffer for his stand?
Plenty. In the end, Lincoln was slain outright by thwarted ideology-firsties, eh? Because no matter whether left-wing or right-wing, the anger of thwarted ideology-firsties passes beyond all rational bounds.
The abuse that Huntsman is taking is of this ideology-first kind.
Kudos to Huntsman for standing against it on principle.
The best that can be said for Mr. Cain (and Mr. Perry) is that they *may* be flip-floppers. “We both say whatever we have to say, to receive Big Carbon campaign support, but we have zero intention of living up to it.”
America and American conservatism both deserve better. Much better.
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Herman Cain to join rally against climate alliance
URL: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2731717/posts
Comrade Moron, please do not tell us that conservative deserves better; you care as much for the well-being of conservatism as Ahmedinejad does for the well-being of Israel.
By the way, since you believe in this global warming nonsense, can you answer me the questions:
a) Is Zionism racism?
b) Was the Bush Administration behind 9-11?
c) Is Marxism a good system, never mind the fact it has murdered 150 million people, it’s just that the correct people haven’t run it?
d) Is it right to continue banning DDT, even though its ban had led to at least 50 million deaths among “people of color” from malaria?
e) Do you believe “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs – regardless of how hard that person with ability works?”
Eric R., not even one sentence from your posts grapples with whether (1) AGW is real, serious, and accelerating, and whether (2) Cain/Perry/Bachman etc. are correct-on-the-facts to deny that reality.
It’s best for conservatism that Republican candidates *NOT* follow your example, eh?
That’s what Ronald Reagan believed, anyway.
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Why Conservation is Conservative
Quotes by Ronald Reagan and other conservatives
URL: http://www.rep.org/quotes.html#_Reagan
Sorry, Comrade Physicist – you’re not getting away with not answering, arrogant, morally depraved scumbag.
Everytime I see you posting, you will be asked those questions – until you answer them honestly.
We know what your answers are. We just want to see you admit it.
AGW is not real. Thus it is no accelerating.
You really should try not to be blinded by your ideology, and take a while to consider the evidence.
Yep. Spin. Predictable, Dr. Troll.
You said Huntsman’s brand of conservatism will win. In that case, Huntsman will in, because who embodies Huntsman’s brand better than Huntsman?
But you won’t put your money where your mouth is.
Just like the arrogant, idiotic, lefty troll you are.
I’d tell you to scram, but really, you’re helping PJM… every time you show up, page views go up quite a bit, which puts more money in the pocket of the PJM brass, so that they can keep promoting people like Cain, Perry, and people who stand for everything you loathe.
You’re sowing the seeds of your own destruction… congratulations!
We both think we’re winning, ConservativeWanderer.
Whenever candidates pivot toward Eisenhower/Clinton pragmatic centrism, which historically is a winning electoral strategy, that’s good (in my book).
And whenver candidates pivot toward far-left/far-right ideological purity, which historically is a losing electoral strategy, and then they lose the election, well that too is good (in my book).
As for academic-centric enterprise, it’s a plain fact that since 1950 a huge fraction of America’s most profitable, export-positive, job-creating enterprises have been founded by PhD/professor types … America urgently needs many more of these!
As just one example among many, Simon “Si” Ramo, the subject of the 1957 profile linked below, is still teaching at USC’s Viterbi School of Engineering … at age 88! (not to mention Ramo’s the “R” of TRW Inc).
ConservativeWanderer, yah just plain can’t stop these guys from teaching, *and* launching enterprises, and spreading disruptive ideas! …
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Electronics: the New Age
Tome Magazine, April 29, 1957
URL: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,821134,00.html
Gee, ain’t Eric R. gonna post his promised list of purity-test questions?
`Cuz that list shows everyone that purity-test conservatism is futile and irrelevant.
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TANSTAAFL: the Bad Conservatism of Climate-Change Denial’s
by Ed Dolan
URL: http://www.economonitor.com/dolanecon/2011/08/18/why-rick-perrys-position-on-climate-change-makes-him-a-true-conservative/
All this from someone who can not point to any climate model used to support AGW that correctly predicted five or ten years out. Note that AGW is entirely based on computer models that have not predicted correctly.
All this from someone who can not point to any climate model used to support AGW that correctly predicted five or ten years out. Note that AGW is entirely based on computer models that have not predicted correctly.
Reposted because my name did not post first time
“A physicist” shows up and a discussion of republican candidates morphs into a climate change deal.
Whadda shock (not)
Here’s my kind of physicist
Some more physics
LOL … tanstaafl, for students of climate-change history, links like yours to conservative business journals are hilarious.
Because way back in June of 1955, it was the conservative business journal Fortune that published the *first* serious scientific prediction that AGW was real, serious, and would accelerate.
In the ensuring 56 years, the fundamental science of AGW and its inexorable physical reality … have both grown steadily stronger … which is why Republican candidates like Cain, Perry, Bachman, Romney should pay heed this reality!
On a more serious not, Prof. von Neumann wrote his Fortune article when he was dying of bone cancer … and knew that he was dying … and his physician had advised him to publish quickly, all that he had to say.
What von Neumann chose to tell us, was that AGW would become real.
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Fortune Magazine, June, 1955
Can We Survive Technology
by John von Neumann
URL: http://books.google.com/books?id=HcVS1JCH_4kC&pg=PA33
There you are again, Comrade. Again, if you believe all this eco-extremist stuff, please answer these questions:
a) Is Zionism racism?
b) Was the Bush Administration behind 9-11?
c) Is Marxism a good system, never mind the fact it has murdered 150 million people, it’s just that the correct people haven’t run it?
d) Is it right to continue banning DDT, even though its ban had led to at least 50 million deaths among “people of color” from malaria?
e) Do you believe “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs – regardless of how hard that person with ability works?”
Eric R, Joseph Heller wrote it *way* funner than you. …
Thanks for the lesson, Eric R!
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The Glorious Loyalty-Oath Crusade
from Catch-22, by Joseph Heller
URL: http://www.sheilaomalley.com/?p=7225
I would just point out to you troll feeders that Professor Bow Tie is a slightly different species of climate alarmist than Al Gore, he of the “ecological Kristallnacht”. You see, Professor Bow Tie is actually a member of a religion known as “predecessor worship”, a variant of the more common ancestor worship, or veneration of the dead. He prays at the altar of von Neumann, an extremely important scientist. Why Professor Bow Tie has decided that von Neumann’s writings are holy writ is unclear, but university professors frequently have odd religious beliefs. It is nice that he does not believe that “climate denialists” are similar to Nazis, as we are just poor morons tricked by the corporate propaganda denial machine, so we should at least give him credit for not thinking us evil.
Greg, it’s funny how if yah get the math, science, and engineering right … then the economics and politics falls into place … and remains in-place long after the ideology-first politicians and the paid corporate shills are forgotten.
A comprehensive account of how, back in the 1950s, those nutty PhDs — including von Neumann, Ramo, et al. — launched a little enterprise called “The Computing, Electronics, and Aerospace Industry” is Neil Sheehan’s A Fiery Peace in a Cold War: Bernard Schriever and the Ultimate Weapon (Random House, 2009).
Oh yeah … in their spare time these same 1950s “Tea Pot” nutjobs who launched the computing, electronics, and aerospace industries warned us that AGW was coming.
Weird, huh? Gosh … maybe these 1950s “Tea Pot” nutjobs were 100% right?
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A Fiery Peace in a Cold War
Chapter 34: The Tea Pot Committee
URL: http://books.google.com/books?id=Arek24L5xTgC&pg=PT245
OMGZ!!!!!!! Freeman Dyson!! Roger Pielke Jr!!! Ideologues!!!!! lolz emoticons rofl!!!!
If only you’d get your science straight, you’d see that the luminiferous ether really DOES exist!!!! LOL!!!
Greg, your reply motivated me to check Roger Pielke’s most recent opinion:
LOL … it appears that Prof. Pielke’s AGW skepticism is melting about as fast as the Arctic ice … it’s gonna be gone in about 10 more years. And Bjørn Lomborg’s skepticism is fast-melting too!
Ideology-first AGW skepticism sure is getting lonelier and lonelier.
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Is Most Of The Observed Warming Over The Last 50 Years
Likely To Have Been Due To The Increase
In Greenhouse Gas Concentrations?
URL: http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2010/05/04/update-to-andy-revkins-question-in-2005-is-most-of-the-observed-warming-over-the-last-50-years-likely-to-have-heen-due-to-the-increase-in-greenhouse-gas-concentrations%E2%80%9D/
O noze!!! You proved me wrong by providing a quote which sums up exactly my position on climate change!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!
Parse it again Greg … Pielke has phrased his new (2010) position very carefully, such that’s it’s correct in almost all possible eventualities.
For example, let’s suppose that (eventually) 80% of global warming is shown to come from CO2, 20% from (say) aerosols associated to agriculture (for definiteness, let’s say these aerosols turn out to reduce planetary albedo by increasing local precipitation, thus decreasing global cloud cover). In which case AGW is overwhelmingly the dominant effect … and yet Pielke can *still* point to his 2010 prediction and say “I was right all along.” Which is lame.
That’s why Pielke’s “prediction” is so vague as to be content-free.
If Pielke wants more respect, he has to put numbers in-play. (link below).
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Predictions for Arctic sea ice
URL: http://nsidc.org/icelights/2011/06/16/summer-predictions-for-arctic-sea-ice/
At which point one notices that you have posted something which you consider to be content free as proof of Pielke’s melting skepticism….OH NOZE!!!! LOMOBORG CHANGED HIS MIND!!! AND IF HE DIDN’T WELL, HE’S NOT A CLIMATE SCIENTIST!!! And if we notice that von Neumann wasn’t a climate scientist, and has been dead for 60 years and knew nothing of modern climate science, where does that leave us? With the Pope? Admiral Jibjab? Richard Lindzen? Who is a climate scientist that we can trust, oh wise Bow Tie master?
“Mike,
Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise… Can you also email Gene [Wahl] and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address. We will be getting Caspar [Ammann] to do likewise.
Cheers, Phil”
TEH INVESTIGATIONS CLEARED EVERYONE OF WRONGDOINGZ!!!! OH NOZE!!!!
Who can you trust? Good question, Greg.
Nowadays, AGW has accelerated to a pace that folks can see their own eyes.
So that’s a real simple answer: trust your own eyes.
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Seasons’ End:Global Warming’s Threat to Hunting and Fishing
URL: http://www.seasonsend.org/
Unfortunately, my eyes are not a reputable climate scientist, nor can they measure temperatures all over the Earth, or tell me why average temperatures have risen in recent years. Statistics aren’t a good way of figuring out if and why the climate is changing, but anecdotal evidence is? LOLOLOL EMOTICONS!!! DEAD POLAR BEARS!!! BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID. Oh, sorry, my ideology meds are wearing off, the military-industrial-carbon shill complex isn’t keeping me supplied properly. Srsly, tho, maybe if I learn more about MRFM, I, too, can believe in absurd conspiracy theories about oil companies.
You dispute the fact that”…a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA’s Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.”…
…because the report appears in Forbes ?
“When objective NASA satellite data, reported in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, show a “huge discrepancy” between alarmist climate models and real-world facts, climate scientists, the media and our elected officials would be wise to take notice.”
You’d be wise to take notice, too, “physicist”, but as you are a committed AGW True Believer, I won’t hold my breath.
You copped some convenient ploy to dismiss a link but didn’t dare mention my first link, where a real physicist resigned in disgust over Warmist Obsession.
tanstaafl, scientists give very little weight to single articles whose conclusions are purely statistical (and not very strong statistics at that).
I’m sure yah know what standard texts say about purely statistical evidence:
Until such time as modern radiation transport theory is disproved, isolated purely statistical articles just ain’t gonna receive much weight, relative to more advanced scientific methods.
Especially when even the journal editor now says it was bad science.
Gosh, I reckon the conspiracy must run far deeper, and decades longer, than yah thought.
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Journal editor resigns over climate-change paper
URL: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/47149
“Especially when even the journal editor now says it was bad science. ”
That’s not science. It’s propaganda.
You’ve NEVER made an argument *FOR* AGW that isn’t a logical fallacy or pure propaganda.
A physicist- Aren’t you dancing around some ‘inconvenient truths?’ The IPCC gets much of its climate science data from the Climate Research Center (or Unit?) at the Univ. of East Anglia in Britain, headed by Prof. Phillip Jones. Roughly a year ago Prof. Jones was on the BBC where he was asked if there had benn any “statistically significant global warming in the last 15 years,” and he repied in the negative.
Furthermore, if BP’s scientists or engineers had sent emails analogous to the climate-gate ones, would you dismiss their significance so blithely? I.e., if they said ‘I’m having difficulty reconciling the needs of science and the needs of BP,’ or ‘Can you show me that trick you use to hide the rise in pollution or habitat degradation,’ would you accept a facile whitewash?
Oh boy, John Sidles is back. He feels threatened because Herman Cain represents everything Sidles and his ilk do not: Self-made, working man, believes that government can’t do for you what you are unwilling to do for yourself.
Sidles, on the other hand, hasn’t had to do real work since he got tenured. By the way, his web page mentions he’s a ‘medical researcher’. That’s like a plumber claiming he’s an expert in robotics.
And let’s not forget, according to the Obamanoids’ criterion, Sidles is a racist because he cast aspersions upon a presidential candidate. We better report him to Attack Watch.
You poor sap. Global warming/cooling/climate change is the last thing this election is going to be about. But, I wouldn’t mind at all if you and your buddies would mount a credible third party challenge. Why don’t you go to work on that instead of wasting your time here?
I would have voted for Dr. Thomas Sowell for POTUS anytime over the last 35 years. I hope Herman Cain will have or has Dr. Sowell in his kitchen cabinet.
I think, all things considered, I’d rather have Sowell in charge of, say, Treasury, or the Fed. He is, after all, trained as an economist.
Whoever gets the nomination, I hope he/she listens to Sowell on economic matters. The man is nothing short of brilliant.
Cain has a quality not shared by the other candidates, he’s apparently comfortable enough in his own skin that he isn’t a perpetual salesman for Self.
Also, just before the straw poll, Cain, Newt and Santorum spoke directly to the Fla. straw voters, which likely influenced the immediate vote.
Cain is clear and direct, and even funny.
I think what these two straw polls are showing – has, in a strange way, little to do with the individual per se and obviously little to do with pre-debate work, and a great deal to do with the focus and presentation during the debate.
I think the two results, very different from each other, are showing that – voters don’t want rhetoric. They want basic, simple, commonsense and realist solutions.
Bachmann won the first straw poll, for her basic, simple focus on ‘being a conservative. This time, Cain won – and Bachmann came LAST!! Cain’s focus was on a basic, simple notion of: 9-9-9. No rhetoric. No talk about ‘hope and change’.
I think this is the key to the next election. The 2008 election was won by rhetoric, by ‘dreams-of-my-future’. The nation was tired of war and tired of anger. Pure rhetoric.
This time, the nation is tired of rhetoric, which has been revealed to be functionally empty. It wants simplicity, commonsense, realism.
Perry doesn’t explain himself well; his focus is on action – and his actions are focused in reality. Not ideology.
My view of Romney is that he’s an operative in words, in rhetoric.
I think what needs to be taken from these debates and these straw polls is the deep need of the electorate for a govt that is basic, commonsense, realistic and non-ideological.
Yes.
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The key message is that conservatives can be just as frivolous as liberals.
Nobody knows anything about the 9 9 9 plan and the massively disruptive impact it would have on the country; but they know that Perry is inarticulate, Romney is a rino, and Bachman is shrill. So Mr Cain gets his chance in the catbird’s seat.
We’ll see if the kooky 9 9 9 plan gets vetted or not. If we don’t do it, you can depend on the fact that the marxists will. Take a look at it, not from the perspective of an ideal world that can be reached painlessly, but from the perspective of a 300 million person country in dire finacial straights, where everybody is entangled in and usually dependent on the existing taxing protocols.
And oh yes, Mr Cain has no experience in politics…another roll of the dice.
The viable declared candidates are Romney, Perry, Gingrich and Huntsman. Huntsman could be in Cain’s category. I haven’t looked at his plan because he is too far down in the polls. But even if it is as kooky as Cain’s, at least Huntsman has experience in an executive governmental position where he has had to deal co-equal branches.
I see your point but I’m rejecting the ‘frivolous’ term, as I associate it with a focus on rhetoric, on ideology, versus a focus on practical solutions.
Cain’s 9-9-9 is, whether you agree with it or not, a focus on a practical solution. Careful, I’m not commenting on the reliability or validity of it as such a solution, merely and only saying that its focus is on the PRACTICAL rather than the IDEOLOGICAL.
And my view is that these straw polls have very little to do with the candidates but a great deal to do with the respondents/electorate in that poll. All that these polls are saying – and they are unscientific – is that THIS segment of the population wants basic practical solutions. It rejects rhetoric. Period.
If these polls had any validity about the candidates then, Bachmann would not be first in one of them and last in another.
I agree with you, by the way, about Bachmann (shrill) and I think she’s impulsive and emotional. I also agree with you on the list of possible electables. I happen to prefer Perry. I’m not interested in debating rhetoric; he explains himself not merely badly but terribly, but, his governance is practical, realistic and, in support of the well-being of his electorate.
I feel that Romney is too slick with the rhetoric, too swaying in the wind-of-moods. …
I think that Cain, Pawlenty, Gingrich, should all have important roles in a future GOP cabinet.
But, the agenda now, ought to be …not to bash each other..and I’m fed up with Santoram’s, Bachmann’s and Romney’s anti-Perry focus. They ought to instead, be anti-Obama, and contantly, clearly, present the GOP practical solutions to the nation’s problems.
Frivolous was intended for the straw pollers who voted for Cain, not for you ETAB. You are always throughtful.
I credit Cain with looking at the situation from a business perspective, and many of the points in his plan are reasonable and probably beneficial.
It is simply too radical a plan to merit serious consideration, which is alarming for several reasons.
And I am disappointed people with very good intentions abandon Perry only to jump to Perry squared, by which I mean that Cain is far less vetted than Perry, since Perry is a 3-time governor, and Cain has never held a political position. As soon as I heard Cain had won an important victory, I looked at his plan, and it was a jaw-dropping moment. He’s another god rolling dice with the lives of 300 million people. It’s not so much that I dislike the individual components, it’s that it is so awesomely disruptive.
This Republican primary season is making me even more fearful for the country than simply having to accept a committed marxist in the white house. I always thought that conservative values were caution, prudence, resistance to fads, attraction to proven policies and fiscal responsibility. But it appears to mean “any solution that sounds different from liberal/marxism, no matter how risky”. The instantaneous jump from Perry to Cain makes my case. Romney is looking better simply because he isn’t advocating any wild stuff…if I learn about some, I’ll get worried about him as well. I think Romney can walk in now, simply by emphasizing that many years of observable results demonstrate there are proven methods for improving the economy that don’t require throwing the baby away with the bath water.
cain campaign poster:
vote for 999 not 666
Congratulations to Herman Cain and his campaign. Good result in Florida. I’m not ready for this to be a two person race so I like this development.
“Don’t look now but the whole liberal media just got their mouth washed out with soap.”
Sorry, but facts don’t matter to these people, never did and never will. We may convince the everyone to the right of Nancy Botox that the TP is not RAAAAACIST and they may get so disgusted with the MSM that they stop buying their stupid fishwraps and watching their useless TV gabfests entirely, but I bet dollars to donuts the media will STILL be pushing the same tired tropes regardless. Facts and reality DO NOT MATTER to these people, because they believe themselves to be the arbiters of truth. Just look at the Climate Clowns – their balloon has taken torpedo after torpedo, from the Mann “hide the decline” scandal to the recent CERN discovery, but that hasn’t dissuaded from preaching their religion to the masses they despise one iota. These people simply live on their own planet where the atmosphere is so thick from their BS, all they can hear are their own voices.
The Left will still call conservatives “racist.”
Because they’ve redefined the term.
I remember when Colin Powell was toying with running for President back in the 1990s. The reaction from the Left? He’s not “black enough” for blacks and progressives to support him.
The Left regards Barack Obama, who is only half black, as “more black” than Herman Cain, who is all black.
To the Left, “race” is no longer a matter of your DNA or the melanin in your skin. To them, “Race” is socially constructed.
To be an “authentic black person,” an African-American has to support affirmative action and think Malcolm X was cool. IOW, “blackness” is equivalent to supporting left-wing policies aimed at blacks.
Remember why Toni Morrison called Bill Clinton “the first black president”:
“Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas.”
And there you have it! Any young man living in the South who comes from a working-poor family and who plays a sax has earned the right to be called “black,” no matter what the color of his skin is!
I like it from the perspective of a thumb in the eye to libwits everywhere.
But now the question is, will people actually pay attention to Cain’s radical and dangerous 9 9 9 proposal, or decide to put their hands over their eyes and jump off another cliff.
There are three huge issues with Cain’s 9 9 9 plan:
- The plan would be the most disruptive thing to Amerian life ever attempted. There will be hundreds of million winners and losers, many of whom will win or lose big-time. Tens of millions of lives would be destroyed. Cain’s kind of change makes Obamacare look like the epitome of caution. Maybe it would work for the majority. Good luck with that.
- The plan has no chance of passing. Do we want somebody who proposes fantasies?
- The plan is easier to demagogue than Social Security. Just for starters, it increases taxes on the hundred or so million who currently pay no taxes by, wait for this, a minimum of 10.5%. Oh yeh, that’ll wash, won’t it? Of course, maybe he has all sort of deductions and exclusions in mind (which aren’t stated in the plan other than some kind of undefined wtf “Empowerment Zones”)…in which case it would just be the same old tax code, torqued to fit one guy’s vision.
I see no problem with imposing an income tax on those who currently don’t pay any. Why do you?
10% plus?
Hey, let’s just jack your taxes up 10%. I don’t have any objection to that, and can’t imagine why you would either.
But aside from the debate about whether forcing millions of people who are already struggling (and they aren’t all deadbeats) to pay two to three thousand dollars they don’t have, it makes the guy who proposes it into a sure loser.
I like the idea of having everybody pay something, but a 9% sales tax is HUGE for a lot of people. It’s a losing proposition, big-time. Even little lenin will be able to tear that apart.
Anyone familiar with my comments here know that I am a huge fan of Herman Cain.
But let’s not be fooled about one thing. The charge of racism by the despicable leftists and their flying monkey propaganda machine won’t lessen with a Herman Cain at the top of the ticket or even with a Cain/West ticket.
In fact, I would bet heavily that it would rage even more wildly. The accusations would fly fast and furious that we are using color as a “ploy”, not because we like the man, respect him.
They would say it’s because we found someone to do our “dirty work”. Book it.
So, let’s not be fooled. And, if we put together a Cain/Rubio ticket, the assault that it was not based upon their credentials as leaders…but a cheap and insincere…and “obvious” attempt to put up “tokens” who don’t “really represent” our deepest feelings.
We have to know that is coming.
I am thrilled that Herman Cain got some recognition and I hope this has brightened his spirits to continue to put his brand and mark on this GOP primary.
But let’s not conflate issues and raise false hopes. Leftists won’t stop calling us racist…they simply will call Herman a sellout, an Uncle Tom and an Oreo.
We can’t win a spitting contest with “our 100% black guy” over their 50% black guy. They have more despicable liars than we do. A Journolist FULL of them.
totally agreed
the left’s inability to conceal projection will, as they vilify cain, reveal their true motives/actions regarding obama’s rise in the first place
These straw polls have to be, statistically, cautiously evaluated.
First, they are unscientific polls; they are selective, referring only to a very small, non-random proportion of the population, the GOP attendees at a specific event, and effectively cannot be understood as representing the full electorate.
Second, I submit that they therefore do not reflect the electability of any candidate. Instead, they express the focus of a particular segment of the electorate.
In this case, the focus is on a desire for plain, simple, realistic solutions to current situations. This electorate rejects rhetoric, rejects political ideology, rejects amorphic ‘hope and change’ plans for the future. It is focused on the ‘here and now’; the real problems of today and wants real, practical solutions to them.
The next step ought to be to poll a representative population, find out of these desires are common…and then, each candidate ought to focus on that area and only that area. No ideology, no rhetoric, no ambiguous vague plans of the future; that is Obama’s realm and no-one, apart from Humpty Dumpty, does it better than him. And..I strongly suspect that the public is fed up with rhetoric.
Stick to basic commonsense principles, a hard-nosed approach to reality, and a focus on America.
From here; Herman Cain represents the educated black voice in Amrica that, from my point of view, has never had a political definitive voice, period.
To comapre him with a quote from W. Goldberg, “he’s really not black”, and her continued racist zoo speak rants, lack of America history or knowledge for Constitution due process, has trashed this useless programs called The View.”
Sadly, it’s represented of millions of educated blacks Americans who are looked upon, under Whoopies “View”of her own race, as a measuring device.
I’m not black but I have often wondered how they stand it?
Herman Cain, who’s fate hasn’t been decided yet, at the very least, must be involved to head-up the Dept of Labor.
That would be NOW America, after Obama is asked to, step down.
Thomas Sowell might disagree about the educated, principled black voice…and therefore, so would I.
Watch the rhetoric turn into “he’s being paid-off” (quoting Rachel Mad-Cow), “minstrel show”, “blackface” or similar ugliness; there are many methods of denial available to the established leftosphere to dismiss such an insurgent candidacy.
It is important to understand that the members of the main stream media don’t just happen to be very left wing, they are picked to move forward from the time they are found in the liberal universities and annointed to attend the Columbia School of Journalism. They get the best grades from professors whose mission in life is to find and advance men and women such as those that now mold public opinion. Journalism isn’t seen by them as a career it is a calling. It is for the “movement”, they are the ones chosen to be the “nobless obige” to forge our future with their propaganda.I know this because as a scholarship student in college I through a fluke found myself in one of their training programswhile I didn’t last long, those that did are now helping mold our publics perceptions to further their own communist objectives.
The real message from the Florida Straw Poll is the public is sick of the moderates the establishment is trying to force down our throats. I would like to see Sarah Palin and Chris Christy both enter the race and fight it out with the other candidates so we can wake up the half of America that still doesn’t understand that this is going to be the most important election of our lives.
I’m very glad for Mr. Cain, and delighted to see him gaining both recognition and hopefully traction. Since I became aware of him, I’ve watched, listened and read carefully, and remain impressed with the man and his achievements. I sincerely hope that Cain can make good w/o a lot of the nonsense many posters have listed (and/or that Cain can ignore it; better yet, make it go away. [sigh - wouldn't that be bliss? even if it won't ever happen])
I’m a recovered Dem, (albeit *always* more of the blue dog variety) and now a “TEA partier”; I’m concerned with fiscal sanity, smaller govn’t, a strong economy, and sticking to the Constitution. However, I remain more socially liberal than Repubs — just don’t ask me to *pay* for anything in that vein. I guess Cain appeals to me because he seems to tell it like it is, and is genuinely (omg, can’t believe I’m using this word) authentic.
my impression regarding cain’s “victory” is that the voters/pollers? are not fooled by romney, have severe resistance with perry’s immigration platform, and cast their ballot for the strongest conservative in this last debate- herman “the 999″ cain
A momentous realignment? I dunno, Roger; you know how most African-Americans feel about black conservatives: they’re not authentically black. Was Herman down for the struggle?
Well, this white, racist Tea Partier would be quite comfortable with Herman Cain as the Republican nominee. He, after all, has well demonstrated his conservative bona fides.
Obama vs Cain. Now that would be a campaign for the ages.
With regard to Perry’s ‘immigration platform’ (#33 daxypoo) what has astonished me is the breadth and depth of ignorance within the average voter, about this ‘immigration platform’.
Perry isn’t in favor of illegal immigration; his immigration approach isn’t supporting or enabling them! He’s dealing with reality.
The reality is that the federal govt has in the past and particularly under Obama, abdicated its constitutional duty to protect the border and prevent illegal immigration. The states have no authority in these areas.
Obama won’t lift a finger, and to the contrary, when a state tries, in this vacuum, to deal with illegals, as Arizona did, Obama has sued them!!
The situation in Texas is:
1) They can’t build a wall, not merely because of no federal funding or authority to do so, but because it is physically impossible. Most of the Texas border is a river, the Rio Grande, and the rest is canyons etc. It’s impossible to put a wall in a river or canyon.
So, there are a lot of illegals in Texas.
2) Texas can’t deport them. It has no legal authority to either prevent their coming in or deport them. That’s the mess that the federal govt has fobbed off onto the states. So – what, realistically – can they do?
3) Texas in 1975 tried to prevent their education in public schools. Then, the courts got involved and in 1982 the US Supreme Court declared that Texas (and all states) HAD to educate any and all, including illegals, in the public schools. OK? Got that?
4)Then what? You can’t stop them coming in, you can’t deport them – all of that is the sole legal authority of the federal govt and it WON’T LIFT A FINGER. So..then what? Do you allow an underclass of unskilled laborers to emerge, barred from higher education? That would set up a resentful and angry apartheid class. Or, do you deal with reality.
5) In 2001, the Texas legislature moved and passed a bill, with only 4 nays (the governor can’t veto such a majority)that allowed non-citizens who had graduated from the Texas high school, had spent at least 3 years in that school, was living with a parent, and, would apply for permanent residency, to go to college and pay in-state tuition rates. Three criteria: graduated from a state high school having spent at least 3 years there; living with parents, applying for permanent residency. What’s wrong with that?
No scholarships or bursaries…they pay the same rate as the other kids they went to school with..
There are other states that do the same: California, New Mexico..
6) Now, is that ‘allowing illegals to come’? No, it’s a realistic approach to a situation created by and only by, the federal govt, which has fobbed off the entire illegal immigration fiasco…to the states, and disallows that state to get rid of those illegals. Got it? The state CANNOT get rid of the illegals. Therefore, it has a choice…apart from electing a POTUS who WILL honor the Constitution. But, it has to deal with realities NOW. And that means, above all, prevent an economic underclass that could move into criminality.
What astonishes me is the abysmal ignorance of many who object to Perry’s ‘immigration stance’. They assume, without any facts, that he’s for Open Borders (he’s very much opposed: he wants troops and satellites)..simply because he rejects a wall (physically impossible). They assume, without any facts, that he’s subsidizing illegals in college (he isn’t; they pay the same tuition).
Oh- and remember, in Texas, there are no income taxes, so the state support for schools comes from everyone, via property taxes, sales, gas, etc etc.
Reality, not ideology, ought to be the focus for our next election.
personally, i would feel much better about perry’s chances if he prefaced any “immigration debate” with the mention of our military/national guard’s need to root out the cartel strongholds already on american soil
then move on to illegals who commit crimes in america (not mentioning the previous crime of entering the country illegally) get an automatic depo
at this point- the debate about what to do with the remaining illegals can begin
but when perry’s instincts muster the pathetic– “you have no heart” and he begins digressing into liberal talking points rather than clearly/correctly focusing the blame on the federal government than there is a problem
blaming potential voters rather than perry’s inability to address the issue (which was brought up immediately here at pjmedia by those who knew perry’s politics as his weakest link) seems a bit off-putting.
But I do blame the electorate and that includes the MSM, the cables, the pundits as well as me, the ordinary citizen, who doesn’t even live in Texas.
Perry said, clearly, that he was against a wall but wanted massive border ‘boots on the ground’ and satellite and etc approach. So, a reasonable conclusion by a reasonable listerned ought to be: He rejects Illegal Immigration.
But, the immediate knee jerk reaction of so many pundits, MSM, cables and comments on blogs was instead: Since he rejects a wall, THEN, he’s in favor of illegal immigration.
That’s is such an invalid conclusion…and yet ..that’s what’s voiced and posted!
I agree, Perry didn’t say: “I’m against a wall because it has been shown to be ineffective AND because in Texas, it is physically impossible to put up a wall”. I agree – he didn’t say this. But I’m not from Texas and I have the wits to check it out..as the TV pundits, newspapers, blogs ought to have done, and found out..it’s physically impossible.
And, those same pundits and TV voices and blogs, ought to have done a bit of research, and checked out the FACTS:
- surely they must know that the states can’t deport the illegals;
- surely they must know that Obama is suing Arizona for trying to apprehend Criminal illegals!;
- and, these same talking heads could educate themselves and find out
- that Texas tried not to educate them;
- that the US Supreme Court ruled in 1982, that all states had to educate the illegals!
- that to prevent an economic underclass, barred from higher education because of its cost, meant that Texas had to allow them higher education;
- oh, and surely these same pundits ought to have checked the facts that this Bill allowing such in-state tuition wasn’t put forth by Perry
- and passed the Texas legislature with only 4 nays, which meant a gubnatorial veto was impossible ..[and Perry favored the bill anyway];
“Several states — Texas, California, New York, Utah, Illinois, Washington, Nebraska, New Mexico, Maryland (community colleges), Oklahoma, Wisconsin and Kansas — have passed state laws providing in-state tuition benefits to illegal aliens who have attended high school in the state for three or more years. Similar legislation is pending in Florida, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia. (Connecticut also passed such a law, but the governor vetoed it.) The Nevada system of higher education does not consider immigration status for in-state tuition, but does require it for a state-sponsored scholarship.”
- and yes, it IS heartless to treat young teens, brought in to the US as children by their parents, having gone to school for many years in the US, to be discriminated against because of what their parents did..and refused the ability to go to higher education.
Remember, he can’t deport them.
Instead, Texas has taken a REALISTIC rather than IDEOLOGICAL approach. It acknowledges that they are there; it can’t deport them. Therefore, what should it do? The answer was to educate them, and set them on the path of a permanent residency status. That’s what they did.
Now – what’s your solution, acknowledging the REALITIES, not the IDEOLOGIES and not the ‘hope-and-change’ of how you would like it to be. Acknowledge the realities and what the federal govt has done to the states, on this matter. How are the states to deal with it? What’s your solution??????
A border does not have to be completely sealed. You just have to turn the easy ways in and the moderately difficult ways in both very difficult. It won’t stop the influx, but it will slow it down a lot.
As for educating them, no State has any obligation to educate those who are here illegally. Texas, for example, could simple say “No”. The illegals found a way into Texas, they can find a way out.
Politicians set traps for taxpayers by letting problems grow so large that the politicians can say there is no answer except to stick the taxpayers with another huge bill.
We have every right to discriminate against illegals. We owe them nothing and they owe us everything.
Amazing. Astonishing. The profound ignorance of some who comment here.
First, with reference to ‘the border’. That’s the federal, not state, responsibility, and are you aware that Obama refuses to do a thing? Your suggestion of ‘stop the easy way in’ is trivial. Of course all states are involved in that with their own border patrols! The problem is, there are not enough ‘boots on the ground’ and the federal govt refuses to help.
Second, you declare that ‘no state has any obligation to educate those who are here illegally’. What an ignorant statement. Are you that unaware of the laws of the USA?
Legally, according to the US Supreme Court, Case ‘Plyler v. Doe 457 U.S.202, 1982, all states must provide in-state public education from K-12. To every child who registers. Citizenship is not part of the documentation. Got that?
The US Supreme court ruled that “A Texas statute [1975] denying free public education to illegal aliens violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment…”. So, not only Texas, but all of the USA MUST provide free public education K-12. You can check it out for yourself.
Your simplistic solution to the residency of illegals of ‘they can find their way out’ is empty baffle. What if they don’t want to ‘find their way out’? Since the federal govt refuses to stop them coming in and won’t deport them, then..what’s your realistic …not your stuck-on-stupid..solution?
Incredible. Do you seriously think that your uninformed and ignorant opinions trump reality? That’s the realm of Obama. Not conservatives.
“Since the federal govt refuses to stop them coming in and won’t deport them, then..what’s your realistic …not your stuck-on-stupid..solution?”
First, your tone is not helping your argument. Those who disagree are not idiots like “A physicist”.
What’s wrong with the Arizona approach?
*sigh*
I know securing the border is a Federal responsibility. In fact, in this discussion about Texas policies, we both mentioned the US-Mexico border.
The issue at hand is college tuition not K-12.
Simply saying that illegals must be cared for by State taxpayers does not make it so.
If you truly believe that the people who enter our country illegally really deserve the same outcomes as legal US citizens, then perhaps you should dwell on just what you think citizenship means in the first place.
I am totally opposed to illegal ‘immigration’ (that term is hardly valid as they are not immigrants). I’m focusing only on the FACTS that:
-SINCE the federal govt refuses to uphold its constitutional duty to secure the border, prevent illegal entrance, and maintain valid citizenship procedures, ..and thus, enables millions of illegals to enter the US, and to stay here…and refuses to deport them…THEN…what are the States to do with this situation?
They can’t, legally, deport them.
They can’t, in many cases, even try to find out IF they are illegal and turn them over to the feds.
They are obliged, by law, if they are here, to educate them from K-12.
So- what are the States to do? The federal govt has totally absolved itself of its constitutional duty..and fobbed off the whole situation..to the States.
Therefore, to prevent an economic and social underclass, which would readily dissolve into a criminal underclass, the states have had no choice but to accept them ‘as if’ they were valid citizens, and,
-allow them to educate themselves to move into responsible economic roles;
-set them on a path to legality (the in-state college tuition clauses require that the applicant take out a permanent residency process)
I can see no other choice for the states. The federal govt has done this irresponsible injustice to the states…The realistic strategy is to make the best of a situation they cannot legally change…and then..
Vote for a POTUS who WILL honor the duties of the constitution.
By the way, with regard to Texas, since there is no income tax, then govt funding of schools comes from sources to which the illegals also contribute: property taxes, sales, gas and so on.
The college tuition fees are paid by the student; they are not eligible for scholarships or bursaries.
in other states, with income taxes – which illegals might not be paying – then, this is an issue.
But, the Supreme Court law makes it a requirement to educate the children from K-12, and many states have an in-state tuition clause for illegals.
Again, this is a problem created totally by the federal govt; it has fobbed it off to the states, while depriving the states of any legal capacity to get themselves out of having to nurture illegals.
States can’t deport illegals, but they can make illegals want to leave.
States can remove any and every incentive an illegal has to stay in that State. No college tuition, for example.
Where will the immigrants go? Don’t care. What will they do? Don’t care.
In fact, if we really want to correct this problem, we must do everything we can to show the true face of it. Everything we do to make it okay for an illegal to stay here hides the truth that what the illegals are doing is a massive crime against us.
States also can educate their residents about the illegal immigration problem and can through their representatives change Federal law.
If we do what you suggest we are surrendering to a decades-long heist of our sovereignty. Our Elites want the illegals here so they can exploit them. They exploit them now for cheap labor and eventually through amnesty will exploit them as taxpayers and voters.
We have this illegal immigration problem because the powers-that-be want it that way.
Do not surrender to their sinister manipulations.
You say that States can remove all incentives for illegals to remain. Really?
1) Can they remove better housing and clean water?
2) Can they remove better medical care – and the hospitals are required by law to treat any and all;
3) Can they remove the free K-12 public school education?
4) Can they remove the safer streets and environment?
The answer to all of the above is: No. These are the basics of a household.
5) As for ‘no college tuition’ – you can’t remove what isn’t offered. The tuition isn’t free and bursaries and scholarships aren’t allowed. All that is permitted is that you have to pay the in-state tuition rate and must apply for permanent residency. You can, if you insist, remove the in-state rate but you can’t forbid them from attending college!
You then say that you don’t care ‘where they go’. Heh. Therefore, they will STAY right where they are! It’s far better than some slum in Mexico, or Venezuala; their children can actually get an education and medical care, and they can find work.
You state that you don’t care what they do. Well, the legislatures and governors of these states care very much what they do; they do NOT want a criminal underclass to develop. That’s why they have to educate them and try to get them into permanent residency.
You state that citizens can become educated about the problem and CAN get their federal representatives to change the federal law. Change what law? The US Supreme Court law that requires that the state educate illegals from K-12?
Change the federal law that requires that hospitals treat any and all?
What ought to be done is to elect a president who will honor his duties in the constitution and keep them out. As for those who are here, many for decades, the US is not into cattle car deportation and some form of application-for-residency and fine and etc will have to be worked out.
I agree that it’s a massive problem but we can’t deal with it by ‘get rid of them’ tactics because…they won’t work. We have to, as so many have said, first deal with the borders. That’s the vital, key first step.
Everbyody notice how the professor will not answer my questions?
I guess that’s because he probably has all the views that won’t fly outside of the Communist faculty lounges, but won’t come out and admit it, lest he make U of W. look bad.
Well don’t you worry, Comrade Professor – we know that almost all universities are Marxist sewers, and one located in Seattle is surely to the left of Che and Mao.
The “perfesser” has signed a Loyalty Oath to the Truth of Anthropogenic Global Warming.
Naturally, he would dodge your questions as answering them might expose too much of the truth about his pseudo-scientific self.
So, I’ll answer for him: yes, yes, yes, yes & yes
I hope this helps.
LOL … tanstaafl no doubt abusing me somehow helps yah feel better.
But it changes nothing about the accelerating strategic reality of AGW, eh? …
… or the utter incapacity of Cain/Perry/Bachman/Romney to grasp that reality.
Can the Republican party *really* afford platform of ideology-first ignorance?
Obviously not? Yeah … most folks don’t think so.
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Climate denier GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain
URL: http://www.grist.org/article/2011-01-19-gop-presidential-candidate-herman-cain-will-snuff-your-seed
Abusing you ?
Just reading you is abusive
Eric R, I reckon yah missed my replies above …
… but heck, there’s no need for yah to thank me, here in conservatism’s “Big Tent.”
Sweet pea, you are precisely the reason, in fact the poster child, for why we need to get moro….uh, liberals and leftists…out of Washington DC.
LOL … tanstaafl, once 97% of the mathematicians scientists and engineers are evacuated from Washington DC … then the majority of America’s's military leaders and business CEOs … and finally pretty much all the leftie “creative types” … then all the hunters, fishers, and farmers.
… then there’ll be pretty much nobody left in DC but ideology-first skeptics and paid Big Carbon shills … in which case Douglas Adams has told us exactly what to do next.
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History of the Planet Golgafrincham
by Douglas Adams
URL: http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Golgafrincham
What are you babbling about? Why would they evacuate Washington DC? Because of some fantasy about rising sea levels?
Turn off SyFy Channel, maybe crack a book that doesn’t conform to your ideology.
“A physicist”~give it up, Comrade. You lost. Get over it and go away to the Ivory Tower and die like good Russians do.
Orson, wasn’t it Steve Jobs who pulled Apple outta the US Chamber of Commerce, because he was disgusted with their mindless ideology-first skepticism?
Steve Jobs. Whatta tool. Heck, what do CEOs like Jobs know about business *or* technology?
Or companies like Pacific Gas & Electric, Exelon, PG&E, Nike
Compared to pizza-makers, that is. …
… 
… 
Yeah … it’s mighty striking … and mighty sobering … that two smart guys like John von Neumann in the 1950s, and Steve Jobs now … were both were diagnosed with advanced cancer … and who chose to finish-up their business in this world … by warning the public of of the sober reality of AGW.
Orson, maybe this forum’s ideology-first AGW skeptics — and Herb Cain and Rick Perry too — oughtta obsess a little less about “Commies” and a little more about the long-term viability of American business.
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Apple quits Chamber of Commerce
URL: http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2009/10/05/apple-quits-chamber-of-commerce/
Propaganda, again — bandwagon.
The science cannot stand, so you push the propaganda.
Rob, pretty much every mathematician, scientist, and engineer in the world is telling the same solid story about the accelerating reality of AGW (see link below) …
… the main exception being a fragile “bubble” of Republican presidential candidates.
And most of *them* are planning to flip-flop on AGW once nominated:
• Romney, Huntsman and Gingrich are near-certain flip-floppers;
• Cain and Perry are very likely flip-floppers;
• Bachman and Paul are unflippable ideology-firsters.
Which is good … America can’t afford a president who’s too ideology-driven to flip-flop on key issues.
For example, the admirable way that CinC Bush purged the White House of neocon military strategists, following the neocon’s failed Iraq reconstruction strategy, is a solid example of necessary presidential flip-flopping.
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The Discovery of Global Warming
A Hyperlinked History of Climate Change Science
hosted by the American Institute of Physics
URL: http://www.aip.org/history/climate/summary.htm
Oh yeah should’a listed Santorum too as “unflippable” … (and hence unelectable).
Once upon a time, fizzycyst, “pretty much every” member of the scientific establishment around the world was strongly in favor of eugenics. Did that make it, or them, right? For that matter, go back a few years and “pretty much every” known, respected, and scientific thinker was certain the world was FLAT. A plurality of false views, whether or not inspired by politically-motivated propaganda, lies, and intentional data-diddling, does not make either good policy or good science. Next?
Hope E. Changey, according to Texas scientists, you’ve got your history dead-wrong.
It’s kinda sobering, that Texas scientists are saying Perry’s dead-wrong-on-the-facts.
It’s even more sobering, that Perry’s not listening.
America can’t afford another ideology-first blind-to-the-facts president.
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Aggie scientists take issue with Perry’s global warming skepticism
URL: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/news_columnists/article/Aggie-scientists-take-issue-with-Perry-s-global-2180835.php
When the “consensus” scientists can make the neutrinos in Italy run on time, I’ll start paying attention to their climate science.
Without mentioning him by name Obama mocked Perry as “a governor whose state is on fire, denying climate change.”
Despicable. I’m pretty sure politicization of wildfires isn’t going to win him any independent votes.
Rick Perry’s not listening to Texas’ most prominent scientists:
(emphasis in the original)
I reckon Rick Perry’s just been too busy to listen to what Texas’ scientists are saying, what with all the political rallies and prayer meetings and polls and what-alls he’s been attending.
America can’t afford that kind of willful ignorance in its President.
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Texas Drought and Global Warming
by John Nielsen-Gammon, Texas State Climatologist
URL: http://blog.chron.com/climateabyss/2011/09/texas-drought-and-global-warming/
Rick Perry should absolutely be listening to this man, as he actually seems to be doing his job, unlike you, who I assume get your research assistants to do your job for you, like far too many university professors:
“The lack of precipitation accounts for 4.0 F, greenhouse gases global warming [edited 9/11/11] accounts for another 0.9 F, and the AMO accounts for another 0.3 F. Note that there’s uncertainty with all those numbers, and I have only made the crudest attempts at quantifying the uncertainty.”
DERP DERP DERP. You’re a despicable human being, and you should be ashamed of yourself for politicizing the wildfires, and embarrassed that you helped to elect our terrible President. As has been pointed out previously, even those who believe that global warming is real, that people are contributing to it significantly, are still “deniers” in your book if we don’t like carbon tax schemes. Lomborg was viciously attacked and smeared until folks like you realized that he was far too reasonable, and people were actually listening to him, at which point the “OMG HE CHANGED HIS MIND” lie was invented by green activists, even though his position has changed very little over the years, which I have previously documented here. I, too, wish that Republican politicians would not refer to AGW as a “hoax” or “poppycock”. But I’ll take Rick Perry or Mitt Romney or Herman Cain over the current occupant of the White House, because I seriously doubt that any of them would say anything like “HOWZ THAT GLOBAL WARMING WORKING OUT 4 U???” in the middle of a disaster, like say, a terrible blizzard causing multiple deaths. For most conservatives (at least, I think), the primary issue with the climate change folks is the carbon tax schemes, and how little effect they will actually have on mitigating increasing temperatures, and not the supposedly settled science. You can continue to pretend that the Republican party is “anti-science”, even though that’s a self-defeating proposition, as they’re plenty for science when it comes to using clever methods for extracting evil, evil oil from the oceans. Did I mention that you’re a despicable human being?
Greg, it’s good that you enjoy learning from Texas’ climate scientists.
Respectful fact-based science surely beats smears and slogan-shouting, eh?
More respectful, fact-based, conservatism-positive links are appended.
Perhaps you will enjoy these too.
Conservatism that refuses to learn-and-adapt has no future, right?
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Republicans for Environmental Protection (REP)
Talking About Climate Change
URL: http://www.rep.org/climate_faq.html
O NOZE PRECIOUS!!! Let’s have a reasoned discourse, you ideology first big carbon shill denialist!!! OMG I AM SO REASONABLE!! LOOK AT MY EMOTICONS!!!!
http://www.energyopportunities.tv/Embracing-Innovation/The-Lomborg-Challenge
Even Obama’s staunchest supporters should denounce his comments with respect to the wildfires. It’s beyond the pale. It’s not Presidential. That shouldn’t be an issue of left vs right, or belief in carbon taxation or not.
“The threat of climate change is no less menacing than the security threats that we face.” – Benjamin Netanyahu
OMG BENJAMIN NETANYAHU GETS IT!!!! HE’S A CONSERVATIVE WHO ISNT IDEOLOGY DRIVEN!!!!…. right??? I mean, that speech he just gave at the UN was pretty sweet, too…. right?
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