Wisconsin: What happens next?
That is a photo of Gov. Scott Walker. That is the man that the unions and Democrats are comparing to Hosni Mubarak. That is the man they’re comparing with Mussolini, and Hitler, and all that that implies. I don’t know about you, but he doesn’t strike me as a thug in any way.
The unions’ tactics, on the other had, have thuggery and putsch written all over them. Don’t take my word for it. Just watch this.
But the question is, what happens next? That depends on who wins. The actual stakes involved in Wisconsin are modest. The implications, however, are not. Scott Walker=/= Hosni Mubarak (who wasn’t even the worst of the Middle East’s dictators, but I digress).
The police in WI can’t go into IL and force the Democrats back to Madison. Illinios is not going to do a thing to make them go back north. Undoubtedly someone in the GOP is talking with someone on the other side to get them to return. All they need is one Dem to do the right thing.
If the unions win, Ohio, California, maybe even New Jersey and other big union states are at the unions’ mercy. And we’ll get nowhere on our massive national, state and municipal debt problem. Nowhere.
But if Walker wins? He will have shown that when the left personalizes and demonizes, he stands as a true leader stands. We will start to make progress on the debt bomb. Public sector salaries and benefits might start to return to something approaching sustainability (a word the left loves in every sphere but economics). And though he has only been in office a short time, having defeated the entire national Democratic establishment, there will be a movement afoot across the country:
Walker 2012.
Maybe on the top of the ticket, maybe in the veep slot. You heard it here first.
He’s got my vote!
Thank YOU,
The wonderful Teachers Unions of Bucks County PA!
With an AVERAGE salary of near SIX FIGURES, NO contributions to your health care, and REGULAR strikes for pay raises with percentage increses in the mere TEENS, you’re SO REASONABLE compared to the “Red Shirt Mob” that just violently took over the freaking State House of those poor taxpaying schmucks in WI.
We’re SOOOOOOOOOOO lucky YOUR union isnt quite as nasty, selfish and arogant, and potentially VIOLENT as THEIRS.
We should thankfully receive yet another tax increase for the luxury of having gracious and fair people like YOU spending us into oblivion! Were SO proud you earn almost DOUBLE what the average privately employed person in America does!!!
That makes us SPECIAL!
By the way, Lords and Ladies, may we PLEASE still vote from time to time?
We promoise it wont offend you TOO much…
We’d hate to have to lose OUR State House to Union Mob rule, too.
Thanks SOOO much,
We LOVE you!
Now opbama is really showing his true face and what he stands for. Obama is busing in his own version of the brown shirts [union thugs]. As the democrats run away from their jobs as elected officials. I am a trade union dues paying member but I stand with the governor Walker and hopes he holds his ground!
lets go back to working 90 hrs for 6.50a hr then may be we will not need unions asshole
Get real,
Unions are exclusive to Government workers. 90 hours a week? No Teachers Union Bum in this COUNTRY works 90 hours a week. My sons 4th grade class has a teacher, a READING teacher, a LITERACY specialist and a LANGUAGE specialist. All make 100k, and the ‘Reading” scores are lower than the 1950′s, before the unions.
They “work” 6.5 hours a day, 180 days per year, with almost THREE MONTHS OFF EVERY SUMMER. Pensions bennies and health care 100% taxpayer funded, not a DIME out of their pocket.
To earn 100K salary in MY company, yore not a basic cog, rank-and-file worker in the organization, like the TEACHER is.
You are a department or a group manager. Many people report to YOU. You’re in at 7 am or sooner. You work till 7 pm or later, practically every day. You work many, MANY Saturdays and a few Sundays, every year. You have a budget, and goals to deliver on. You are in charge of technical resources, process developments and engineering tasks valued in the MILLIONS of dollars, with impact to the organization in the tens of millions. You get calls at home at 3:00 am if something goes wrong, and have to make DECISIONS. You travel…often…to Europe, Asia and India, to work with other corporate professionals at your salary level.
You cant talk or bluff your way through it, or (my personal favorite) take completely unrelated “studies” courses on butterfly wings and fairy dust to pad your imaginary “enhanced qualifications” for your next “step” in the salary ladder, without also being expected to have INCREASED RESPONSIBILITIES AND WORKLOAD.
In other words, a 4th grade reading teacher who gets a PHd in Snowflake Empowerment Studies gets NO extra kids to teach, but gets about 10g more in pay.
To get a TEN PERCENT pay raise in my company is IMPOSSIBLE, without a HUGE PROMOTION and comperable increase in responsibility…
Spare me the legends of Child Labor Horrors, unions today are nothing but an arm of the government, choking the REAL working people to DEATH.
Root, I understand what you are saying. What I want to focus on is what government these people place their loyalty and citizenship with. The unions are saying that the president of the union can tell the president of the United States how the cat ate the cabbage and make him like it. They totally embrace a concept foreign to our Constitution and have no intention of being bound by our Constitutional concept. Is this treason or just bordering on treason?
Can we stop playing “Are You My Mother” with every non-idiot Conservative Politician we see?
I would rather he stay a STRONG GOP GOVERNOR, and work with the other STRONG GOP GOVERNORS to pull power away from Washington and back to the states.
Absolutely right. The key to turning this thing around lies at the state and local level.
98ZJUSMC….Spot on! The constitution gives to the people, then the States, the ultimate power to reign in the federal government. Of course that is all constitutional’ese for which the federal and Supreme Courts has little to no regards for…and the federal government for certain!
The only hope lies with a strong majority of the people and…..well, I have little hope for for such a majority.
Semper Fi young feller!
“Absolutely right. The key to turning this thing around lies at the state and local level.”
I’ll (mostly) second that. My caveat is that we desperately need to stop the power grabs at the top before we are banned from working locally at all.
We need to work bottom-up at LEAST as much as we work top-down. (And I’m explicitly including school-boards.)
We are agreeing with one another strenuously!
I just think we need to focus on the states pulling the power back from Washington because, humans being human, power is generally TAKEN rather than given. So counting on any Washington person to be the leader of a devolution seems kinda hopeless to me.
I just don’t want to lose a good sitting GOP governor to the White House.
The Key today and always was in the Power of your local School Bds. Should our Great Governor Scott Walker win, IMO it’s just a matter of have a qurom to process with the vote but everyone who might reside in those School Districts where Teachers basically “Quit” should generate a petition in your area to submit to your local School bods demanding those teachers be fired if there unable to provide proof of having a Dr’s appt. on or before the first day of Protest accompanied by a written excuse by their Doctor otherwise they should be fired for misconduct !!! A Lawyer, Doctor or other high professional when found to be in contempt or charged with going against their profession or Employer would typically be harshly reprimanded or fired, this is nothing short of that IMO. President WALKER 2012/2016 !!!
Exactly! I have argued for years that the only way to turn this mess around is at the local level first and then at the state level. We need to remember that most of the idiot lefties we have in Congress came up through local and state politics first.
Its up to the citizens of this state to question the unions.Keep a spotlight on them check their incomes and what they asking.Unions need to tighten their belts also.Not just families of non unionized workers.
Time we stood up to the Public Unions. Them or us.
next time you feel some body walking behind u lets not look for that cop not time you hear somebody being pull from a fire lets not thank afire men not time it snows and u have to get to work and the roads are open lets not thanks the dot what every happen to the surp money he had when the gov came into office he gave it away now he what to kill the unions lets try to get our jobs back from overseas and this go away
California is lost no matter who wins in Wisconsin. It’s only role is now to be the bad example of what happens if you don’t reform. I agree that Walker has a great future if he holds firm and survives. I mean that literally as we may see some bad times.
Anyone watch ABCNews tonight? They showed coverage from inside the WI capital rotunda. Hitler poster made it. Also, I’m pretty sure I saw an upside down flag on a balcony rail after the camera zoomed out from a close-up of a protestor. Not cool guys.
Not cool indeed.
If this had been a tea party gathering, the national guard would have been called in, martial law declared, and Katie Couric would be fling in to report on the horror.
Yes, the alphabet nets always prove the point that if the Democrats and libs didn’t have a double standard, they’d have no standards at all.
Just a crazy demonstrator. Probably believes Hitler banned trade unions.
“All they need is one Dem to do the right thing.”
Why do they need “one Dem”?
Right! Do the same thing Illinois did; Select a temporary legislator to use for the voting process.
If it’s legal there, it’s legal anywhere.
Fire them all? What a novel idea! Then the remaining legislators constitute a 100% quorum. The business of government can continue, and the legislation… with suitable additional ammendments.. can be passed and moved to the govenor’s desk for signature! Crisis resolved — Dare I say it? – in the manner suggested by Rahm Emmanuel.
If people of Wisconsin defeat the unions, then its governor may become a very strong candidate for 2012 presidential elections.
They need “one Dem” to make a quorum, in order to vote on the darn thing. That is my understanding.
The Senate needs 20 members present for a quorum. There are only 19 Republican Senators in the Wisconsin Senate.
The unions made a legal mistake: their contract ran out. They left it open, which allowed them to fleece the people of WI as long as their bribes kept it open. In walks the new Gov., and bang the door shuts.
“PROUD not to be union.”
And to think, the President of the United States weighs in on behalf of the union thugs. The old community organizer is at it again. He sees nothing wrong with the state going bankrupt as long as the demands of the union are met. He is shameful. I think the governor of Wisconsin is on the right track – he is doing exactly what he was elected to do. By the way, are there really 25,000 union teachers that showed up or were outsiders bussed in to help create havoc? If so, what role did the DNC have in this protest? The SEIU? The President of the United States? Shameful.
One Democrat is needed to make a quorum.
I live in Wisconsin. The local news coverage of this has truly been puke-inducing. “The big bad GOP against the poor little teachers…what about the children..saintly idealists marched on Madison today to defend their rights….” You get the picture.
God, I pray Walker and the GOP hold firm on this. I’d be happy if he’d fire the lot.
Donna V….There are more than one ways to subject this issue. IF the initiative loses, all it takes is for another bill passage to hike the benefits contribution of the public employees. Many States have done this, this new legislative session. The next way, if the bill loses, is simply de-fund all state funded departments, agencies and municipalities across the board by some percentage….stupid should hurt in this case!
If, the stupid cannot agree to restrict labor unions negotiations to wages and willingly contribute more to ‘their’ own benefits, then maybe they should be left to find jobs somewhere else in the private sector where they claim pay and benefits are better, and let other’s who would love to have their jobs…have them.
Typically, most States are confronted today, with 75% of total states revenues for budgeting going to payroll and benefits, including retiree’s, with education/teachers representing 50% of that 75%. The problem with those in the streets is that they haven’t a clue what their States liabilities are and that even with a recent surplus the State cannot cost sustain itself down the road on the current revenue/budget outlays needed going forward.
Add to this, that void of superficial unsustainable economic busting ‘bubble economies’ the nation no longer has the traditional private sector industrial infrastructures to support low employment again to support states revenues everybody come to be dependent upon.
The smart informed folks would do well to go to work, shut their mouths and pray to their lucky stars they still have a job and income.
T. T. Thomas, are you the author Thomas T. Thomas?
Sandra asked:
By the way, are there really 25,000 union teachers that showed up or were outsiders bussed in to help create havoc?
Local news reported that some union people from Barry’s Chicago came up here to *cough* “show their support” as only Chicago union people can.
Cheeseheads and flatlanders may be bitter enemies when it comes to football, but politically, their thugs are always happy to give our thugs a helping hand.
Donna,
To your earlier comments about local media coverage, we have the same problem here in Pennsylvania because of Philly. Only pre-formed tempate narrative tales of institutional bias against women, police brutality, racism, and “spending cuts” are presented as “news”.
Stuff like this is verbotten:
Teachers working during contract negotiations in my district took down all the artwork in the halls and classrooms to make them look like prisons, and were “absent” for back to school night, and parent/teacher conferences to illustrate all the “extra” work they do beyond contract requirements. Since we parents are AT WORK durring the day, just who did they think they were “showing” this to?
The Union also commanded them to refuse writing any letters of recomendation for students unless, by the Union memo, the kid PARENTS worked for THE DISTRICT.
Nice, huh? Pick and chose who they’ll hep get into college, based on their UNION connections. But no mention at all in the papers about these kinds of petty nonesence. Because “we CARE about the children so MUCH we have to strike!”
Then, with the AVERAGE TEACHER salary in my district at over $90,000, and contracts looming, they issued a recent 5th Grade Reading “homework” assignment like this:
A short story about an underpaid teacher, earning just $25,000 being laid off for budget cuts…and how the kids rally to get her back in the classroom….study questions included:
“Should teacher be paid more, or less each year? Why?”
and
“How does underfunding education hurt YOU in the classroom”
Talk about downright Evil Marxist Style brainwashing….”we took down all your projects and artwork because you parents are cheap, how does that make you feel?”
Those Bastards hold our kids hostage, LAUGH in our FACES when we complain, and over-run State Houses when we vote against them.
The War is now ON!
Let me get this straight. Walker is elected with a measly 12 million surplus in the budget, he passes $140 million worth of legislation in January, then turns around and blames the unions – wait for it –
Because there’s a $137 million dollar deficit.
So why don’t they just rescind the legislation he passed. Crisis over and everyone can go home?
He won.
I know, I know!
Because he’s the Governor not the legislature!
Sorry it’s a 3.6 billion dollar shortfall over the next two years.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/115501969.html
Because the governor does NOT initiate legislation, just like the president doesn’t. Legislation is originated in the LEGISLATURE… If they aren’t there they cannot originate anything. These “legisators” should be subpoenaed and held in contempt if they don’t show up.
can he seize the Dems’ homes via eminent domain?
Ultimately, this will be the solution to the debt problem. They spent us into oblivion while sucking on the taxpayers’ teat. Time to repossess everything those tax dollars bought for those parasites and their parasite families. Pay off our foreign creditors and never elect another Leftist to a position where they have power over so much as a dime of taxpayer money.
The main problem with government workers is they believe their own hype about being “useful”.
This really makes me sad. The president sticking his nose in was once again wrong, so very very wrong. He is always, always on television. He is getting me very upset. I am with the Govenor all the way & really pray it turns out for the tax payers and the kids get back to school.
Isn’t this when the army forces the governor to resign and termporarilly takes control of the state, so real democracty will have a chance?
Little lenin’s speech will come after matters are firmly controlled.
Keep it up, obama koolaid drinkers. This is not going to go over well with the American people. Apparently you learned nothing last November… don’t worry, there is another lesson coming.
Expect a brutal all-out character assassination by the ENTIRE Left on this hero.
Here’s a video clip in honor of those brave Wisconsin Dem politicans who really had the courage of their convictions and stayed to fight and stand up to Walk- oh wait, they didn’t, did they?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYFefppqEtE
Great clip, Donna, thank you for sharing it and good to see you posting.
Our world (not just our country) is going nuts.
I only have a short comment to my fellow Republicans and Tea Party Folks.
The dissenting baptized labor unionists in NJ and WI folks defiling an innocent State building and packed onto the streets are about evenly represented by republicans, democrats and other political representations.
As I’ve attempted to emphasize for so long now, the overwhelming majority of American citizens are immersed in the socialist machine. Nowhere in their communities and private lives can they escape the socialist benefits they have come to take for granted and become so dependent upon.
So, despite all the tough populist rhetoric by so many, the majority of Americans today haven’t the will nor the grits to change and sacrifice for the tough things needed….not even for the very life of the country they profess their love for.
One of the earliest successes of the socialist revolution was to destroy the common binding moral fabric and the unitized family in lieu of an individualist society…where we’ve long been for several decades now.
What we’re seeing in NJ and WI are monetary greedy people across all political party lines rising up and representing themselves and their own individual interests…..not the interests of the nations survival. You will see more and more of this as though reforms are attempted.
Recall elections.
No need to worry about recall elections. State law requires that a recall petition cannot even begin until after one year has passed since the start of the latest term.
Then just try to get 25% of the number of voters in the last governors election to sign petitions.
Just is not going to happen, especially since with no union dues coming in the Democrats and unions will not have the money to do it and the citizens will have seen the day to day operations of government change for the better.
Don’t give up so easy. Not all of the 14 were elected this year. Probably more then a half were elected to their four year term over two years ago.
It’s a tempest in a teapot… no pun intended.
In most states the unfunded [pension] liabilities are well under 0.2 percent of future income. This implies that increased revenue equal to 20 cents of every $100 of future output would be more than sufficient to eliminate the shortfall. Even in the states with largest shortfalls, the burden appears manageable. In Ohio, the shortfall is equal to 0.47 percent of future output, in Illinois it is 0.37 percent of future output, and in Mississippi and Rhode Island it is equal to 0.36 percent. (http://www.cepr.net/index.php/publications/reports/the-origins-and-severity-of-the-public-pension-crisis)
Basically, the anti-union folks are stooges for Goldman Sachs et al. They would love to destroy the big public pension funds. GS would love to manage all that money. Trying to understand the world? Follow the money.
Ooooohhhh . . . . Democrat math, I love it!
Problem is, it only works in an alternate universe.
While the hot topic today may be the state of Wisconsin and the attempt to rein in the teachers union and bring pensions and benefits into line with reality, the issue we’re really grappling with is much bigger than that: We absolutely have to reduce the cost of government at all levels and in all precincts. We simply cannot afford it any longer. This includes, wages, benefits, and all the stupid and counter-productive work rules that make public sector unions virtually unmanageable and immune to common sense reforms.
So I beg to differ with your rather fatuous assessment that all this is a “tempest in a teapot.” This is the critical first step in bringing fiscal sanity and accountability back into the management of state and ultimately, federal government employment.
Tom….It would have been well for you to cite a source that is not founded and ran by a group of gold plated “PROGRESSIVES” funded by tenants of the George Soros funding conglomerate.
Now, to the substance of the data you re-reported from your source. ‘Most’ states have critically cut their discretionary budgets, terminated employees, furloughed employees, increased employee benefits participation, etc., and reduced current pay and benefits for the TEACHERS ONLY portion of the funded and unfunded liabilities to between 43 to 47% of the total States budgets.
I would respectfully suggest you refer to the States for your factual sourcing.
What kind of person flees the state they represent in order to not lose a vote? And what kind of political Party resorts to such tactics? A pathetic person and a pathetic Party. The Democrats need to change their name because they no longer care about freedom. They want to impose their Totalitarian world view on the rest of us and may soon see that they will take a “by any means necessary” approach to do it.
The Democrats and unions walk hand in hand and unionists act as the Party’s shock troops. How soon before we see nation wide protests and even riots in America because of a possible government shutdown?
http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2011/02/wisconsin-democrats-flee-state-to-avoid-doing-their-job-governor-tells-democrats-to-come-back-democrats-confronted-video.html
The unions are protesting the governor’s cutting of the life-sustaining forced union dues taken out of workers’ paychecks and delivered to the union bosses. They do not care about layoffs or furloughs of state workers. They care about the money. How many people that are forced to join the union would willingly write a $650 check every year? Remember 60% of teachers DID show up for work. That’s what the unions are afraid of…the money from those who can easily opt-out of the union would be cut off.
Hold firm Gov. Walker. They will tire out soon. The Dems have to come back to their state eventually, after their little taxpayer-paid trip to Illinois. What? Are they getting “community organizing” tips while in Illinois? Agitation 101? How to use school children to your advantage 202?
Doubt it. They were probably just seeking temporary asylum in a friendly state.
I think it might be time for the governor to appoint replacements.
Madness in Madison
It’s not quite at the level of the madness in the Mideast nor tantamount to the madness of King George but what’s happening in Madison, Wisconsin and elsewhere in the Badger State is getting close.
The newly-elected Republican governor of the home of the cheeseheads, Scott Walker, has proposed changes in teachers’ collective bargaining rights which, based on union interpretations, would reduce Wisconsin’s teachers to the level of vassals of the state. A more reasonable view of Walker’s plan is that it would save Wisconsin from its fiscal insanity and a declaration of bankruptcy.
With New Jersey’s Republican Governor Chris Christie as a model, Walker has also dared to take on the powerful teacher union and impose common sense constraints which would accomplish nothing more than getting public employee and teacher salary and benefits more in line with private sector pay and bennies.
Time was, many decades ago now, people entered government service and the teaching profession with full knowledge that they would be compensated less monetarily in return for greater job security.
Times change.
Today, thanks to the power of unions, workers in the public sector have been thriving even as their privately-employed counterparts have faced cutbacks, dismissals, reduction in pay scales, and elimination of health and other benefits. It was equitable in the past that teachers, et al. were able to trade off pay for job security. Now that they have far surpassed the private sector in monetary compensation, earning up to triple private salaries while still retaining employment security and almost unlimited benefits, it’s equitable that they help level the playing field.
The new governor’s practical and hardly revolutionary proposals have been met with outrage and lies by the unions yet they merely provide . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=3661)
cmac – Moe Lane (Red State) points out that the 20 vote quorum is only for budget bills. For other bills it’s just a majority. So the Republicans can pass a separate bill deauthorizing public employee unions with just Republican votes, and if the Dems want to spend the rest of the year in Illinois it won’t matter. Hooah!
Who and what do the vagrant Democrats stand for? They are saying to their employer, the taxpayer: Up yours, keep paying the benefits, even as you peons spend more for your own in the private sector. Never mind the budget shortfall, find somebody to tax. Tighten someone else’s belt. Oh, and don’t hurt the children, that’s always a good one to throw in. Sickening.
This isn’t going to go over well with most regular Americans. This type of stunt, this type of thinking portends more Democrat losses in 2012. I made the mistake of watching C-Span for a while yesterday, and it was one whimpering Dem after another whiner, crying about how terrible fiscal sanity is. I felt queasy, then grew angry, then enraged as their shabby rhetoric droned on and on and on…and the villain they spoke of was me, the fiscal sanity voter! They are so gone in 2012!
Scott Walker is showing true grit and isn’t starting to look for a side entrance to bolt from, like “mavericks” such as McCain or cheerleaders like GWB invariably do when confronted by the evil Dem machine. Recently I’ve watched the latest crop of simpering cowards like Pawlenty and Santorum cut and run at the first sign of confrontation—Pawlenty disgraced himself on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, hardly a heavyweight intellectual.
The new Senator Johnson in WI also seems to have cojones, as does Paul Ryan and the young Kevin Duffy. The voters are backing Scott Walker who should stay in WI and run nationally only if drafted. Given the weak types like Huckabee or obnoxious know-it-alls like Gingrich, the GOP might have to run an inexperienced pol this 2012 election. But let it be someone with guts who isn’t trying to be “nice” like Pawlenty or Santorum or Huckabee.
I like Christie because he looks and acts like he enjoys kicking ass. Union ass. Stupid academic ass. Hollyweird ass. Coming from Jersey, he’d have a tough time living down his mistakes, just as Scott Brown did, when Scott showed a rubber band was his own personal excuse for a notochord.
You mistake politeness for weakness. If Huckabee had been afraid of confrontation, he never would’ve become Governor of Arkansas, seeing as his predecessor, Jim Guy Tucker, didn’t want to resign even though he’d been convicted on corruption charges, instead insisting on remaining Governor while he appealed his conviction. Then-Lt. Governor Huckabee stood his ground, even though for a couple weeks there were two men claiming to be Governor of Arkansas.
Walker for Prez, Jan Brewer for VP. Works for me.
These are previews of the demonstrations and union action that will be in vogue for the 2012 elections. And Barry Soetero will be admonishing anyone that doesn’t take the side of the unionized. He’ll probably use the IRS and DOJ to enforce his agenda.
Has a President ever attempted to manipulate the States like this one has?
He can’t govern the country, but he is damn well determined to govern the states.
Last night Rachel Maddow called this a battle of Demoncrats against Republicans, rather than what it really is, a battle of the tax payers against the tax takers.
Special elections should be held in Wisconsin by the end of next week to replace any elected official who refuses to report for work.
If you abandoned your job for a week without a very good excuse, like a doctor’s note or a police auto accident report, wouldn’t you be fired?
For the hundreds of thousands of Americans out of work this is a slap in the face. I am a retired state worker. My state does not allow government workers to organize and we did alright. It is a slap at the private sector worker. If you allow state,city or county workers to unionize they can shut the government down. If you watch government employees you will find they take more sick leave and it takes more of them to do a job.I had to pay part on my retirement and insurance and I did not begrudge that but they have gotten to the point they want everything and every perk they can get.This is what the Democrats know and is the way they buy their votes. Folks if you do not wise up America will become a government run state and you will have no options. Just think these teacers closed 19 of 20 school districts and are getting paid to Demonstrate. Think about it.
I live in Ohio. I hope Wi.’s Gov. hangs in there and puts a kabosh on these Unions. Love 40% of Teachers, HATE what the Union stands for now. The Unions should be thoroughly investigated and Acct’s. need to swarming on their books. Would love to know how the rank and file would feel if they really knew where their dues were going…
Scott Walker: Profile in Courage (and Integrity)
From Wikipedia:
“The bargaining changes would exempt police, firefighters, and state troopers, whose unions all endorsed Walker for Governor.”
Is this true? If so, it makes the issue look like a political punishment against teachers. Is there any reason that all public employee unions should not be subject to the same adjustments?
This effort was not a political attack on teachers. It was Walker’s attempt to save teachers’ jobs. The alternative to the benefits cuts is laying off teachers. Wisconsin’s laws require a balanced budget. If you and Trumpka want to do something to help, send a large contribution to Wisconsin’s government.
Meanwhile, Walker should fire and replace all the teachers who are behaving like anti-democracy and anarchist revolutionaries. The Reagan firing of the aircraft controllers is the model.
Well, that would surely get people’s attention!!
But why just teachers and not state and local police and firemen? You have to admit that there is something fishy about that, considering that their unions happened to be the ones who supported him, or am I missing something here?
I don’t know how much Wis. legislators are paid, but I wager those fugitive Dems would instantly scurry back to Madison if they were told they would forfeit all pay and perks for the duration of their absence. As anyone who’s been in the military knows, a soldier’s pay totally stops when he goes AWOL. Ditto pro athletes who are suspended for misconduct — they lose their pay for each game they must sit out, on top of any fines the league levies against them.
By the same token, those teachers who falsely called in sick should at the very least have their pay docked for those days, and if possible be suspended one week without pay for each day missed. It’s past time to slap down these incompetent tax grazers.
Why are, our children learning less and we are paying the teachers more? Why do we have supply breakfast and lunch for some of these kids? I like a lot of people come from a poor family where both parents had to work and we did not have much. If we keep giving, these people will keep taking because they feel entitled to the free bees.If you stop giving free bees and make them earn what they need, more would stay in school. The teachers are suppose to teach our kids, math, reading, writing and our true history not baby set them and feed them. You say but more kids would drop out of school, our drop out record is not very good now! To be honest some kids do not belong in regular schools but should be learning in alternative schools teachings them to be able to support themselves through life. Even Jesus said if a man does not work the man does not eat!
OK, but who will be teaching in these alternative schools and how much will they be paid?
We have trade schools set up all over our country and in most of our prison`s. A lot of unions and contractors support teaching at these schools. One of the biggest problems is that the union`s and contractors can not seem to strike middle ground. The unions pay their teachers out of their dues money their members pay without gripping, the contractors are paying for their schoolsw out of their pockets. Then most cities have set up schools for helping our drop outs learn something if they chose to learn. This paid for out of donations, local and state taxes and maybe a little federal money, Which when you accept federal money there are always conditions you have to meet. Those conditions are what is usually, destroy the learning that has to take place. We have a lot of good kids that are just pushed through the system because the students are just dollar numbers to our public school administrators!
What happens is that people find out the Governor purposely bankrupted the state by increasing handouts to corporations, in order to set the stage for some good old union-busting.
Grady there is no union busting going on here, what Governor Walker is trying to do is keep as many state employees working instead of having to lay them off. You are not loosing your right to collective bargaining, as long as you can collective bargain for your wages the collective bargaining door is still open for a later time to bargain. I live in Ca. belong to BAC Local #3 Ca.and got talking to a bricklayer friend of mine yesterday, and he told me that our Tile Union is bargaining in March, and the Tile guys are expected to pay over 11 dollars an hour for health care this year and in 2 years it will be over 14 dollars an hour for their health care. I do know that our bricklayers have hit the 11 dollar mark already. Grady and my wife works for the state of Ca. and has taken a couple of hits already, so I do not feel sorry for those teacher being ask to contribute 5.8% to pension and 12% to their health care so they can keep as many teachers working as possible.
Since Mr. Obama denies American exceptionalism, it probably never occurred to him that this is still the Land of the Free, and the Home of the Brave. He and his union goons can’t initmidate us. He will never win. The reason was expressed half a century ago in Casablanca:
Victor Laszlow: “And what if you track down these men and kill them, what if you killed all of us? From every corner of Europe, hundreds, thousands would rise up to take our places. Even Nazis can’t kill that fast.”
All of You Are Black! Go to Hell! Obama Is a Hitler!
There are certain things we ought not say in America’s post-racial, post-incivilty era. “All of you are black. Go to hell!” is one of them.
Good grief! Would anyone ever say that? Could an elected white official ever say that? Well, no, and none did.
However, at a Dallas County Court Commission meeting, black commissioner John Wiley Price did say to various people present, “All of you are white. Go to hell!” and, for emphasis, repeated the hell command three more times. After a member of the audience rebuked him for his language and said, “You should be ashamed!” Price’s unoriginal rejoinder was, “I’m not ashamed! Go to hell!”
The Dallas brouhaha was precipitated by an exchange in which Price was indirectly referred to as a “mullah” for allegedly forcing out of office a 24 year veteran election administrator. Price took offense at being termed a Muslim leader or warlord and retaliated by telling white people what he thought of them, a flagrant insult for which he later refused to apologize nor to retract.
See clips of the initial confrontation and Price’s subsequent obscenity-laden rebuttal, both of which suggest America hasn’t yet entered those new Obama eras of post-racialism and post-incivility, here: http://tiny.cc/x2rca
Even more grossly uncivil rhetoric is being spewed in Wisconsin where the president hasn’t been compared to Adolph Hitler but where Wisconsin’s new Republican Governor Scott Walker is being subjected to attacks that are equally repugnant.
Teacher and other union labor leaders have compared Walker to Hitler, Benito Mussolini, and Hosni Mubarak and, just as Commisioner Price sought to accent his hell comment, Walker has been depicted on signs ”with a cross-hairs rifle sight over his face.”
The public employee protests in Madison and throughout Wisconsin have become so dire, and dirty and farcical, that even the chairman of the state’s Democrat Party, Mike Tate, has condemned them as unacceptably extreme without mentioning that his party, along with the Democrat National Committee, President Obama’s political apparatus, the Service Employees International Union, and other outside forces with political and social agendas of their own, have been stoking the Wisconsin unrest and working to take the chaos on the road to Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, and Minnesota.
State Democrat legislators adding farce to the mix by running away and hiding and teachers calling in sick by the thousands leaving the students they claim to care for either out in the cold or joining demonstrations they don’t understand didn’t perturb Chairman Tate.
However, he drew the line with what his Press Secretary Graeme Zielinski described as inflammatory signs, then drew another, politically-correct, line . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=3686)
Mr. Obama and his minions’ agenda is simple enough, he is dead set on a course to bankrupt the US. When the municipal union contracts are not adjusted to reflect the fact that…
1 – They are underfunded across the country by hundreds of billions of dollars
2 – The ‘Defined Benefit’ non-contributory pension/benefits is a thing of the past only continued in entities that can tap a bottomless pit – taxpayers
…the municipalities will tumble like dominoes.
G. Hugh Bodell
http://catharticnotestotheuniverse.blogspot.com/2011/02/obamas-chaos-building-continues.html
“When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”
Arthur Conan Doyle, Sr. through the voice of Sherlock Holmes
Brian, few of these strikers and Union slaves know anything about farming. We have a pretty good idea of what an acre of corn or other crop is going to yield under our conditions. The yield the maximum but we cannot push that yield higher without being able to change something basic to that production. We also know we can lose a crop in a moment to circumstances not under our control. The unions do not recognize their natural limitations that do apply to their top wages. Detroit should be a good example of pushing that wage above its natural level. They should spend more time helping their members find that natural wage/profit level. They should realize that it is the customer that generates business which provides those jobs that funds the customer’s demand. These ratios are not arbitrary but follow the laws of physics so that we can only stray from them at our expense. When the unions can make water flow uphill in an open ditch we might follow their lead, otherwise they are selling pipe dreams..
Time to change your pajamas.