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Maybe this time they’ll kill us twice

July 27th, 2014 - 5:12 pm

According to Lt.-Gen. Michael Flynn, if Hamas is eliminated, something worse would replace it. Hamas wants to exterminate the Jews; its Charter quotes the Hadith text about the tree telling Muslims to kill the Jew hiding behind it. What’s worse than that? Maybe this time, they’ll kill us twice.

 

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Israel and the west are fighting the wrong people. In Iraq and Afghanistan the US fought the Taliban/Al-Qaeda soldiers. Israel fights the Hamas soldiers.

Yet who is it that calls the jihadists to arms? Who is it that says to kill the infidels? The clerics, the imams. They are the ones who foment the violence, the hate as they preach in their mosques and in the street. Yet they are untouched. Why is that?

I read that in Viet Nam and other war zones you were told not to salute superior officers because that would indicate which leaders the snipers and guerrillas should kill. The clerics/imams are the ones we should be taking out. Listen to them. If they preach violence, hate, and incite their followers to kill, especially to kill innocent civilians, then these religious leaders, of the death cult known as Islam, should themselves be treated to the same violence that they call for. We are fighting evil, people who are willing to hide behind children, to slap suicide vests on people who have the IQ of children, who let children die while building tunnels that will be used to kill more children. Enough is enough.
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It is impossible to reason with a rabid animal - the only solution is to kill it, quickly and as humanely as possible - but KILL IT, QUICKLY.

The 'west' has been screwing around for 40 years trying to reason with the rabid murdering terrorists. Time to try something that has a couple of things going for it: It hasn't been tried before and it just might work. More of the same hasn't worked and I daresay it probably won't.

Those supporting a 'humane' solution are simply the last livestock left, negotiating which goes into the stockpot last. Should Hamas and the rest of their ilk get their wish and kill all the Jews, then it will be kill all the Christians, and anyone else who doesnt believe in the same version of islam that they do.
8 weeks ago
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The IDF needs to fight Hamas to an unconditional surrender...however long that takes...no matter how many innocent civilians get caught in the crossfire (like the Allied Powers pursued during WWII)...and ask Egypt to then administer Gaza.

The last thing Hamas sympathizers want are Egyptian police and military (Known for their brutality) with El-Sisi's commitment to crush the Muslim Brotherhood and it's sympathizers. The delicious part of my plan is the Gazans would be deprived of "Zionist soldiers to blame for all our troubles."
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imho the problem with the "philosophy of history" is the same problem with "self pity". The problem is positional. That is, in order to achieve the view one needs to place oneself on the throne of grace. The differences between the two go respectively in order above to the third and second temptation of Christ by the devil whom Jesus encounters in the desert.Matthew 4:1-11
7 weeks ago
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And, it is these comments by American leaders that worry me.
I am not worried about Israel. Israel will do what it needs to do and keep on plugging on for better or, G-d forbid, for worse.
No, I am worried about the United States of America -this Brave New World that has such people in it!
Obama; Kerry; Pelosi; Reid; and now this guy. They worry me.
I fear for the future of America.
7 weeks ago
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Outremer is going to fall.

Again.

The bookends of Faustian culture, I suppose.

Never thought about it that way before.

The United States is one tick behind Europe on the clock, David.

The Sunset Drowning of the Evening Lands, I suppose.
8 weeks ago
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The Sunset Drowning of the Evening Lands, I suppose.
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I insist on the German title, by the way. The splendor of Germany’s literature and the curse on its history come from the same source, the brilliant but sometimes misleading way the German language naturally expresses abstract ideas in concrete, sensuous terms. Untergang, which gets turned in English into the anemic Latinism “decline,” is literally “going under,” and calls to mind inevitably the last struggles of the drowning and the irrevocable descent of the sun below the western horizon. Abendland, the German for “the West,” is literally “the evening land,” the land toward sunset. Put them together and the result could be turned into a crisp line of iambic pentameter by an English poet – “the sunset-drowning of the evening lands” – but there’s no way an English language book on the philosophy of history could survive a title like that. In German, by contrast, it’s inevitable, and for Oswald Spengler, it’s perfect.

http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2007/12/future-that-wasnt-part-one.html
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Outremer....
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Outremer (French: outre-mer) for "overseas", was a general name given to the Crusader states established after the First Crusade: the County of Edessa, the Principality of Antioch, the County of Tripoli and especially the Kingdom of Jerusalem. The name was often equated to the Levant of Renaissance. The Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia had its origins before the Crusades, but was granted the status of a kingdom by Pope Innocent III, and later became fully westernized by the (French) Lusignan dynasty.

The term was, in general, used to refer to any land "overseas"; for example, Louis IV of France was called "Louis d'Outremer" as he was raised in England.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outremer
8 weeks ago
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The term was, in general, used to refer to any land "overseas"; for example, Louis IV of France was called "Louis d'Outremer" as he was raised in England.

Or "Obama d'Outremer" for that matter.
7 weeks ago
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This is the consequence of profound indifference to the anguish of Americans being defeated at the southern border.

French Exodus: 'When Jews Flee, a Nation is Sick'
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2014/July/French-Exodus-When-Jews-Flee-a-Nation-is-Sick-/


Think this can't happen in America?

Be so bold as to say what makes the USA exceptional. Obama will show you the reasons that America is NOT an exceptional country.
8 weeks ago
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Charles, I suspect the real decision on the "southern border" was made after the war in 1847.

That bell can't really be unrung.
8 weeks ago
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Thank you for mentioning that. Most on this board are clueless. I changed my opinions in 1990 on emigration when I saw Mexicans on the corner of 96th% Broadway on the west side of Manhattan. New world migrations mean very different things than old world migrations. 100% of the people in the area were clueless as to what I was saying.
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Speaking of 96th & Broadway the old Thalia theatre there used to show old movies. I saw an old Orson Welles movie called a Touch of Evil at the Thalia. Welles does a good job of showing border issues of the early 1950's and how the UN affects events there.
8 weeks ago
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new MarcH
compare the love and affection that Israeli soldiers feel from the Israel's public for their work protecting Israel's borders ...compare that with the anguish the American public feels at being betrayed and sold out by the obama administration's no border amnesty program.
8 weeks ago
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A person I trust posted the following on a local Jewish e-board in NJ. She advised that it is from an IDF solider presently serving in Gaza:

"What's happening here in the staging area [area where soldiers prepare to enter Gaza] is beyond comprehension, not rationally, not emotionally and begs the imagination.

Almost every hour a car shows up overflowing with food, snacks, cold drinks, socks, underwear, undershirts, hygiene supplies, wipes, cigarettes, backgammon and more. They're coming from the North and the Center, from manufacturers, from companies and private businesses, from prisons, Chareidim and Settlers, from Tel Aviv and even Saviyon.

Every intersection on they way down here we get stopped, not by the police, but be residents giving out food. What is amazing is that the entire situation wasn't organized and everyone is coming on their own without coordination between the folks coming.

They're writing letters and blessings, how they're thinking of us all the time. There are those who spent hours making sandwiches, so they're as perfect and comforting as possible.

Of course representatives of Chabad are here to help soldiers put on Tefillin and distributing Cha'Ta'Ts (Chumash, Tehillim, Tanya) for every troop transport and Breslov are showing up to the border and dancing with the soldiers with great joy.

The Chareidim are coming from their yeshivot to ask the names of the soldiers with their mothers' names so that the whole yeshiva can pray for them. It should be mentioned that all of this is done under the threat of the terrorist tunnels and rockets in the area.
Soroka Hospital (in Be'er Sheva) today looks like a 5 star hotel. A wounded friend who was recently discharged told us how the MasterChef truck is parked outside and is preparing food for the wounded.

It goes without saying the amount of prayer services that are going on. On the religious front as well, there are lectures and Torah classes, all the food is obviously Kosher. Shachrit, Mincha, and Maariv with Sifrei Torah. They're giving out tzitzit and Tehilim by the hundreds. It's become the new fashion! The Rabbi of Maglan [Special Forces unit] told me that almost the entire unit has started wearing them, because the Army Rabbinate has been giving out tzitzit that wick away sweat. They're gaining both a Mitzva and a high quality undershirt. We've started calling them "Shachpatzitzti" (a portmanteau of the Hebrew term for body armor and tzitzit). We're having deep conversations late into the night without arguments, without fights and we find ourselves agreeing on most stuff.

We're making lots of jokes at Hamas's expensive and without politics. There's lots more to add but my battery is running low and the staff has been requesting someone give a class on Likutei MoharaN (Breslov).


How happy is the nation that is like this."
8 weeks ago
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What do LA and Miami have in common? They are both American cities that have been captured by hispanics. Here is the result.

L.A. Times Prints Front-Page Defense of Hamas Terror Against Israel
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/07/24/L-A-Times-Prints-Front-Page-Defense-of-Hamas-Terror-Against-Israel

There was a pro Hamas demonstration in Miami.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/breaking-video-protesters-shouting-we-are-hamas-assault-threaten-to-murder-zionist-cameraman-in-miami/
8 weeks ago
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I'm not sure it makes a difference as to which terrorist organization rules in places like Gaza. Most Palestinians hate Israel and jews and want to kill all the jews they can. Sooner or later they will get good quality missiles (that Iron Dome won't be able to shoot down), along with nuclear warheads. Then Haifa and Tel Aviv will be reduced to rubble.

In the long-term only utter ruthlessness stands any chance of preventing this from happening. And the Israelis will never be this ruthless. Of course, in the unlikely event that it did become this ruthless the entire world community, including the US, would come down on the country like a ton of bricks.
8 weeks ago
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Anyone who makes the 'worse will come' argument is a complete tool.

If you wipe out Hamas or neutralize it, new faces might come. Further, the ones who want to fight to the death will be allowed to do so.
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You hit the nail right on the head Denver Bob.

A good set of questions to ask this complete tool is:

1) "How is it you are making this prediction but neither you, nor your peers, nor the CIA nor the NSA made predictions about the advent of ISIS? You all had access to surveillance satellite information, intelligence collected from telephone and cell phone communications in the region and intelligence provided by Iraq itself.

2) How can we ever put our trust in people who have attained such a high position as yours when you and those of your ilk are so incompetent despite your access to high level intelligence and state-of-the-are information gathering technologies?"

3) Can you give us an example in history where under similar conditions your prediction even happened?

4) If we assume, for the sake of argument, that your 'prediction' is correct; what does that say about the real situation? The 'new' organization has to get manpower from somewhere; from where would it come? It the answer is, "from the general population of the 'Palestinians', then what does that say about the Palestinians and their 'innocence' in these events?"
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