Egypt ‘Another Gaza’ with Obama Administration Backing
Egypt’s newly-elected Muslim Brotherhood president Mohammed Mursi may cement his victory with a coup against the Egyptian army, according to an analyst at Egypt’s Al-Ahram Institute quoted in today’s Gulf News:
“Mursi will likely face resistance from state institutions mainly inside the army and the police,” said Sobhi Assila, a political analyst. “However, Mursi has a full team inside the Brotherhood who will assist him in running the country’s affairs to overcome this expected resistance. This may turn Egypt into another Gaza,” he said, referring to the Israeli-besieged Palestinian enclave ruled by Hamas.
Hamas, the Palestine chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood, seized power from the Fatah-led Palestine Authority in the Battle of Gaza in June 2007, following its electoral victory in the 2006 Palestine elections. There haven’t been any elections in Gaza since then.
Egypt’s military dissolved the country’s Islamist-controlled parliament and awarded itself new powers at the expense of those of the president. President Mursi’s supporters, at this writing, remained gathered in Cairo’s Tahrir Square, promising to remain there until the military reinstates the dissolved parliament and abandons its attempt to infringe on presidential powers.
Before Mursi’s victory was announced earlier today, Egypt’s secular parties denounced the United States for intervening in the elections in support of the Muslim Brotherhood. As Al-Ahram reported in its English edition today:
The US Embassy in Cairo refuted on its official Twitter account Sunday circulating claims that the US administration was backing the Muslim Brotherhood’s presidential candidate.
On Thursday, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called on Egypt’s ruling military council to fulfill its promise and hand over power to the “legitimate election winner.”
Some interpreted that statement as a US endorsement of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Mohamed Mursi who is competing against Hosni Mubarak’s ex-prime minister Ahmed Shafiq.
US Embassy denied all claims that the US administration asked the military council to hand power to the Muslim Brotherhood.
“We do not support any individual candidate or group; we support the democratic process,” said the US Embassy Twitter admin, underlining that Clinton’s was nothing but an expression of support for democracy.
Liberal and secular parties condemned what they saw as “US intervention” in a press conference Saturday, asking the Muslim Brotherhood to break its silence and refuse any attempt at US intrusion in domestic affairs.
An administration of anti-american internationalist subversives of course supports anti-american and anti-israeli forces worldwide. Period.
We call it subversion, but its true name is war.
War against Freedom. War against the West.
Cut to the chase. You often encourage the West to engage the so-called “moderate” Muslims. I have alway asserted that this is futile, and only postpones our day of reckoning. Worse, this dilly dallying allows the retrograde forces to coalesce and consolidate.
You have asserted that Islam is failing, and yet we see that across the board Islam is more entrenched and ascendant than at any time in the last three centuries … Islamic nukes are proliferating. Islamic terror is proliferating. And worst of all, tens of millions of Muslims are colonizing beachheads of Jihad across the West – exploiting our precious freedoms to further their Jihad and spread more Islam..
As terror and toralitarian oppression increases in the Dar ul Islam (which are features of Islam, not bugs), ever more Muslims will be driven to leave Islam’s immediate precincts for our own. But evidence shows in places like Dearborn, Minnesota, Los Angeles, or Virginia, that many or most of those Muslims will not leave their ideology and mindset behind. This is grotesque, as Islam was the very thing which drove them to flee in the first place, and now it is here in spades. Often these Muslims become more fervent in the second and third generation, and so-called “homegrown terror” is the inevitable result.
Engagement has failed. Our approach for the last 40 years is shredded. The rise of Jihadi Islam across the arc proves that Western Islam-analysis is bankrupt. The experts are exposed as frauds. The West has developed no plausible mechanisms to dislodge the monsters of Iran, and we have yet to even adress the far worse bastards in Saudi Arabi who funded al Qaida, and who fund virtually every Jihadi mosque (recruitment camp and propaganda center) in the US, Canada, and Europe. Continuing to suggest that we engage so-called “moderates” (which are rarer than unicorns, and who have no more chance to alter the tsunami of Islamic totalitarianism and terror than elves or princess sparkle pony) strikes me as hollow and absurd.
MD – I heartily agree with you and could not have dais it better – hear, hear!
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David – can you add an edit button i.e. Belmont Club, for those of us who are can’t tpye/type?
Hear, hear…. I agree completely
Radical Islamic states and movements are a metastasizing evil, either dominant or soon to be dominant in large parts of the Muslim world. It also can’t be denied that a significant part of the ideology of radical Islam is based in traditional Islam.
Nevertheless, if I may speak for them, worldly analysts such as our host along with D. Pipes, M. Rubin and B. Rubin understand that the Muslim world is a complex and varied place and it is often to the advantage of Western powers to make common cause with moderate and traditional Muslims. None of these analysts base their recommendations on a belief that the Muslim world will likely become overwhelmingly moderate and accommodate itself to modernity, but I don’t believe that they entirely dismiss that possibility.
IMHO, the belief in some parts of the conservative blogosphere that Islamic politics, cultures and peoples from Morocco to the Philippines and for the past 1200 plus years can be reduced to a simple story about killer-Islamic-zombie-androids is the mirror image of the ridiculous MSM/Karen Armstrong/RoP meme.
You indictment of our host is way off base. For example, I don’t know any analyst who has been more strident in calling for heavy bombing to end the threat of the Iranian regime and its WMD.
Don’t worry MarcH, the Agency is separating the sheep from the goats. They know which guys are Al-Qaeda in Syria, it’s tattooed on their foreheads. They don’t get guns.
As a practical matter, I’m for backing KSA against Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood. It’s not much of a challenge to make sure the KSA doesn’t pay bakshish to al Qaeda (there are only a few thousand people who count, and we know where all of them live). And I’m for backing the Egyptian military against the MB. No Muslim state or movement would look like much of a challenge to us if we had the gumption to crack down when necessary, for example on Iran, preferably yesterday. These are poor countries with backward skills and gigantic social problems. The Russians were a different story. They had a shot at beating us.
Well if you like these guys running Egypt, just wait’ll till they’re running the show in Damascus. The Golani Brigade should be ready for incoming. The MBO might even be willing to bury the hatchet with Hezbollah if it’s about launching a big rocket show after Israel hits Iran.
In other news, guess who’s at the King David Hotel this week? Just don’t tell the Weekly Standard.
“These are poor countries with backward skills and gigantic social problems. The Russians were a different story. They had a shot at beating us”.
Sad to think how the mightily have fallen.
As a kid, I read a work by Michael Grant, “The Fall of the Roman Empire” and was struck by the comparison of the Roman wars against Cartage with the wars against the barbarians in the late 400s. The Roman Republic repeatedly raised, lost and re-built large armies to fight and finally defeat the formidable Carthaginian armies, but the late Roman Empire couldn’t manage to field smaller armies to hold off the less formidable barbarians.
I pray that our God continues to be merciful.
How many Generals are leaving tonight for ? Mubarak had five jets. What was given to those folks to continue the peace with Israel for 30 years?
The Coptics might want to relocate to a rual area with weapons, and extra clips.
There are no rural areas. Just one long shanty town encasing the Nile.
Riverworld, Islam version.
The House of Saud funds Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. They provided emergency funds to Egypt last week to sustain their economy and provide liquidity to their markets. Egypt is just one step in a long term goal of sharia based political system the Saudis want to force on the world.
The UN is controlled by the OIC ( organization of Islamic Cooperation) Group, the single largest voting bloc in the UN which is managed by Saudi Arabia. It is actively promoting Sharia within the UN and using the UN to provide political cover.
The western world needs to take the wool off its eyes and stop pretending the Saudi’s are our friends. They have never been a friend to America, and using their vast wealth to fund terrorism and Sharia law on a global scale.
The lure of money for every president since Richard Nixon has provided the Saudi’s with opportunities to maximize efforts and results. Nixon, the Bush family, Clinton, Obama..all have gotten into bed with the worlds biggest funding entity of terrorism and Sharia law and each administration has allowed House of Saud to tighten its grip.
Take the wool off and stop the pretense.
the Saudi’s are obamanations friends, which immediately disqualifies them from being friends of America.
Circa 2012 there are few actors in the Middle East with more adverse interests than KSA and MB. KSA is married to the status quo and MB is a revolutionary organization.
Did Obama intend this outcome? My guess is “Yes.” Isn’t this treason, to turn an ally into an enemy and create an active foe against a key ally?
Iranian revolution will produce a Western outcome in the subsequent elections, acting as a counterbalance to the MB. A spark is all that’s needed but bombing of Iran would be too big of a spark. Maybe the MB will motivate the Iranians to try again…
You have no clout
You better not try
You better watch out, I’m telling you why.
Twelfth Imam is Obama and he has come to Washington town
America’s dismemberment is on his list
Will cut Israel up more than twice
Any good fellow Muslims who die
Will go to meet 72 virgins in paradise
Twelfth Imam is Obama and he has come to Washington town
He knows if you’re a Christian
He knows if you’re a Jew
He knows if you’re an in-fi-del
He’s been told by Allah what to do
So….You have no clout
You better not try, I’m telling you why.
Twelfth Imam is Obama and he has come to Washington town
Twelfth Imam is Obama and he has come to Washington town
Of course Islam is rising. The communists need footsoldiers and overseers.
I heard that two things are not being reported in Western news:
Brotherhood is entering Coptic areas and demanding that everyone leave within 48 hours or be killed.
“Circumcision vans” are being sent to neighborhoods to castrate the girls.
(The real war on women- same as Iran’s strangling of 100,000 little girls in warehouses in 1980.)
Are these true?
I’ve known “shorn” women and their husbands, who must take drugs to perform because it is painful, messy, and meaningless to their wives.
I’ve also seen the Egyptian video of the poor little 11-year-old ‘circumcised’ by aunts with sharp fingernails. If the females are being forcibly castrated- this is often done at the barbershop, and never with anesthesia or painkillers- then I say nuke them. Nuke them all.
Do you have a source for Iran killing 100,000 girls in 1980? Could find nothing in an internet search.
Oh, and thank you, Spengler.
I was hoping you would speak on this.
“A (giant) Gaza.”
That’s just perfect. Spot on.
There’s debate about how it came to pass that Prez Barack Hussein supported the Mo-Bro-Hood. Was he uneducated (ignorant) or miseducated (Columbia, Harvard). Who cares? It was plain stupid to have insisted that Mo-Bro-Hood leaders be invited to attend his infamous apology speech in Cairo. Whichever kind of stupidity caused that, let us remember that there was a reason the Hood was an illegal party there.
These guys aren’t Solidarity with Lech in Poland, striving for freedom. They’re Moslems in Egypt, who’ve plotted for 84 years now to implement Sharia throughout Dar al-Harb, and to destroy free Infidel nations from within. Frankly, their program thus far has been a rousing success that as we stand has a bright future before it. Objectively speaking, that is.
(With all due respect – and much is due):
Daniel Pipes says that the solution to radical Islam is moderate Islam
I say, the solution to radical Islam is strong democracy.
I say, the solution to radical Islam is strong democracy.
I say the solution to all my problems is an energy efficient machine that turns lead into gold. I’m working on it.
The solution to radical Islam are raging liberals. Part of the aid package from Washington to Egypt should be porn and contraceptives.
“Hamas, the Palestine chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood, seized power from the Fatah-led Palestine Authority in the Battle of Gaza in June 2007, following its electoral victory in the 2006 Palestine elections. There haven’t been any elections in Gaza since then.”
Why aren’t there any “activists” nattering away about how appalling this is and demanding new elections? Surely they must be overdue by now.
Maybe I’m just overly cynical but it seems to me that activists only seem to crawl out of the woodwork if it involves complaining about America or if it can help America’s enemies. Given that Hamas is an enemy of America, it is unsurprising that no democracy activists emerge to protest Hamas’ stranglehold on power. Yet if the leadership in Gaza were pro-Israel and/or pro-America, you could bet we’d be getting frequent reminders of how the nasty Gaza government STILL hadn’t had elections, thereby proving that they were in the pocket of America or Israel or both.
Maybe it’s time we supported genuine pro-democracy activists in Gaza, either openly or covertly, and see how Hamas likes its nose rubbed in its own tyranny. It might also be entertaining to see the Left splutter in frustration as its own proxies are exposed….
Daniel Pipes says that the solution to radical Islam is moderate Islam.
But there is no such thing as moderate Islam. The rules set down by the Mohammed remain the same, sharia, second class citizen non-muslims, women also as second class citizens, death to apostates, etc. Those who the west calls “extremist” are acutally more accurate about their religion then the so called moderates!
There certainly are muslims who choose to ignore some of the tenents of their religion. However, as a happy infidel I do not trust them to remain moderate once they gain political power in non-muslim countries. We have seen how well that has worked in France and Britian and Germany-sharia enclaves, violence against non muslims, open calls for the overthrow of the infidel governments. And somehow the “moderates” that are supposed to be more numerous can never control the “extremists”. Why is that?
A very good bit of history to read is about how Persia went from Zorastrianism to Islam. A few muslims would move into a village. They would be peaceful. Then a few more would move in. The young men would start harassing the non-muslims, the elders would shake their heads and say we will try to control them. Somehow that never happened. Eventually, the non-muslims were gone or converted. We have seen that same pattern here in Dearborn, Michigan, in parts of London, Paris, and so on.
Islam needs to be quarantined. Let them make up their own minds about remaining in the 7th or advancing into the 20th century, and live with the consequences.
We are on the verge of a big civilizational dust up, just like in the 1940s, and here we are repeating the same mistakes all over again.
Peace in our time! Yeah right.
Iranian vs. Egyptian Revolutions: In Iran, the Shah’s army was composed mainly of poor dumb rural Iranian youth whose loyalty to Shiite Islam was greater than its loyalty to the Shah. When the showdown came, they refused to fire on the people they admired. As far as I can tell, Egypt’s soldiers are also poor dumb rural youths whose loyalties to Sunni Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood are greater than their loyalty to the (non-religious) Egyptian High Command. I expect that when Egypt’s showdown comes, they will also not shoot the people they admire in order to prop up a corrupt Egyptian High Command.
Back in the day, when someone said they were a actor, the next question was:”Self-supporting or self-described?” The same question can be asked of actors in the the world of nation states.
Iran, was clearly the former, Egypt sadly the latter. That is Egypt will never be anything than a client living on baksheesh, whining all the while.
Best of all, they will cost new masters more because they will want to spend of the trappings of military power, while not be able to build a competent one.
I am afraid to many have the Marxist belief that events can be managed, whatever that is. The costs are high and you remove your freedom of action as much as theirs if not more so. No the best thing would to play Lucy van Pelt, take the football and keep walking.
Egypt is full of Egyptians who should be allowed whatever mess they want.
The Suez canal makes a far better border for Israel that a 300km fence across desert.
If the treaty can be torn up by Egypt, land can be retaken, albeit at considerable human cost.
The only question is how to sweep the rifraf that have moved in over the last 30 years back into Egypt.
What a paradise, fairly won, it was.
The eyes of the Israelis are now fully open, I understand. The land for peace formulation is bankrupt.
Medieval Muslim officers had a sharpened wooden tent peg dangling from their belts; it was believed that when it broke an infidel’s sphincter the evil one would forever obey Sharia Law. Islam is an art of submission, the use of the holy tent peg will again cause millions who are contaminated with pride to bow in reverence to the great one.