How the New York Times Spins the Norway Horror
Leave it to the New York Times to run a front-page story about the murders perpetrated by crazed right-wing fanatic Anders Behring Breivik that is more accurately described as a not-so veiled editorial. Written by Scott Shane, the article begins by proclaiming that Breivik “was deeply influenced by a small group of American bloggers and writers who have warned for years about the threat from Islam, lacing his 1,500-page manifesto with quotations from them, as well as copying multiple passages from the tract of the Unabomber.”
The implication that he develops is that Breivik’s actions can be attributed to those who for years have been trying to educate the public in the West about the threat posted to our values and way of life by the forces of radical Islam. Shane singles out — by virtue of Breivik having cited his writing 64 times in his manifesto — the writings of Robert Spencer at the website Jihad Watch, part of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, as well the work of “other Western writers who shared his view that Muslim immigrants pose a grave danger to Western culture.”
That sentence says it all: Unassimilated Muslim immigrants in Europe, people who do not accept the laws and standards of the nations to which they have immigrated and who consider themselves proponents of both jihad and sharia law, are not a danger. Instead, the danger comes from those who point out the uncomfortable truths that many dare not face.
So, Shane continues, authorities and others now “have focused new attention around the world on the subculture of anti-Muslim bloggers and right-wing activists and renewed a debate over the focus of counterterrorism efforts.” We should be looking not at radical Islam, as Rep. Peter King vows to continue to do with his congressional hearings, but at its opponents, all “right-wing activists” who, as we all know, are the only real enemies out there.
And of course Shane points out that “critics have asserted that the intense spotlight on the threat from Islamic militants has unfairly vilified Muslim Americans while dangerously playing down the threat of attacks from other domestic radicals.” In fact, Muslim Americans have never been vilified. What those critics have actually said — the responsible ones and not those like the crazed publicity-seeking pastor in Florida — is that there are real dangers of jihad from some advocates of radical Islam.
Does Shane not remember that had not a street vendor noticed a truck parked in the Times Square area, an American jihadist would have caused a catastrophe as deadly as the one in Norway? Does he not know of the acclaimed Muslim businessman who owned a TV station in upstate New York who beheaded his wife for offending him according to Sharia law? This man was interviewed as an example of a moderate American Muslim and an example of how Muslims in America have acculturated and played a positive role in our society. And what about the radical Sami Al-Arian, who pleaded guilty to support of terrorism, and whom many American academics defended as a victim of a witch-hunt when he was removed from his teaching job in Florida?
Shane’ s report also implies that the 2009 Homeland Security report on right-wing extremism was unfairly withdrawn, “after criticism from conservatives repeated on Sunday [by former CIA officer Marc Sageman’s] claim that the department had tilted too heavily toward the threat from Islamic militants.” Shane also quotes former Homeland Security official Daryl Johnson, who argued that an equal threat came from the right-wing extremists and criticized Homeland Security for its actions and for having more analysts work on Islamic extremism than on the domestic right wing. Johnson cited the Hutaree as proof of his contention, arguing that they had a larger domestic arsenal than any Muslim extremists. As the article notes, however, the FBI had successfully infiltrated this domestic group of self-proclaimed Christian extremists, and thereby prevented any terrorist action from taking place.
As PJMedia writer Bruce Bawer points out on this website and in the Wall Street Journal, Norway stands out as a nation singularly afraid of confronting any of the real dangers posed by Islamic radicalism. That lack of action is the kind of thing that obviously helps fuel the anger of someone like the crazed fanatic, who seems to believe that killing children whose parents are members of Norway’s governing political party is a fight against Islamic fascism. As Bawer writes, “Norwegian television journalists who in the first hours of the crisis were palpably uncomfortable about the prospect of having to talk about Islamic terrorism are now eagerly discussing the dangers of ‘Islamophobia’ and ‘conservative ideology’ and are drawing connections between the madness and fanaticism of Breivik and the platform of the Progress Party. “
As Bawer puts in in his Journal piece, it was “the failure of mainstream political leaders to responsibly address the attendant challenges” that resulted in “the emergence of” an extremist such as Breivik. The killer, who evidently believes that he can “wake up the masses” by using terror against regular citizens, is not only mad, but more in tune with anarchist ideas than those of critics of Islamofascism.
Here is what is now failing to be addressed. Bawer writes:
Norway, like the rest of Europe, is in serious trouble. Millions of European Muslims live in rigidly patriarchal families in rapidly growing enclaves where women are second-class citizens, and where non-Muslims dare not venture. Surveys show that an unsettling percentage of Muslims in Europe reject Western values, despise the countries they live in, support the execution of homosexuals, and want to replace democracy with Shariah law. (According to a poll conducted by the Telegraph, 40% of British Muslims want Shariah implemented in predominantly Muslim parts of the United Kingdom.)
Are we now not supposed to point these things out, because one madman who claims he acts out of valid concerns takes the kind of action that makes him as evil as those he supposedly wants to politically fight? If Breivik was indeed really concerned with these developments, what he has done has harmed his own avowed cause, and allowed radical Islam to grow even deeper roots in the West, since leaders will now view any concern as an example of irrational Islamophobia.
What the Left is seeking to do, therefore, as Bawer puts it, is make Anders Breivik a “poster boy” for those who criticize radical Islam. This is similar to the days of Joe McCarthy, when more people began to see the would-be victims of McCarthyism as all innocent, even though by adopting that pose, many actual spies managed to get away without anything being done to them, out of our fear that they might have had their rights taken away unjustly. It became more of a slander to call someone a McCarthyite than to call a Red a Red, which resulted only in charges that one was unfairly Red-baiting.
Finally, does anyone remember the 1978 massacre by the self-proclaimed Marxist leader of the People’s Temple, Rev. Jim Jones, in Guyana? An astounding 918 people, many women and young children, were forced to commit “revolutionary suicide” by the maniacal Marxist, whose project was building a socialist utopia in Guyana and whose Temple in San Francisco had been praised by Rosalynn Carter, Jerry Brown, Walter Mondale, and scores of leftists who were active in the SF area.
Jones’ Temple led to the mayoralty victory of George Moscone, who then made Jones head of SF’s housing authority. Jones regularly read to his members from the works of North Korea’s Kim Il Jong, Zimbabwe’s Robert Mugabe, and, of course, the Soviet Union’s totalitarian leader, Joseph Stalin. A self-proclaimed Marxist-Leninist, Jones freely borrowed his ideology from those folks and from the later West Coast New Left, including the Black Panther Party.
I do not seem to recall any American leftists at the time acknowledging that his actions and beliefs stemmed from their ideas and beliefs, although it obviously had. None made the kind of public statement John Podhoretz of Commentary magazine made yesterday, that we had to acknowledge Breivik “is exactly the kind of psychotic ideologue of the Right so many in this country instantly assumed Jared Loughner, the schizophrenic who shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, was — and this fact seems to have inspired a bizarre score-settling glee.”
That he does take his views from the Right does not, therefore, mean that those views are all wrong — since those writers he had studied have condemned his actions in their entirety. Why should these murders give the left-wing activists such pleasure, Podhoretz righgtfully asks? And in a masterful New York Times op-ed today, columnist Ross Douthat writes that “The darkest aspects of his ideology belong strictly to the neo-fascist fringe. But many of his beliefs and arguments echo the rhetoric of mainstream cultural conservatives, in Europe and America alike.” It is fair, however, he notes, to call “Breivik a right-winger.” We must not be afraid to acknowledge that, and to be candid in letting people know from where he got some of his ideas.
But people like Robert Spencer or Bruce Bawer are no more responsible for Brevik’s actions than the Beatles were for the grisly murders carried out by Charles Manson, who said he had been inspired by their music. Douthat points out:
His compendium quotes repeatedly from conservative writers on both sides of the Atlantic, and it’s filled with attacks on familiar right-wing targets:
Secularism and political correctness; the European Union and the sexual revolution; radical Islam and the academic left.
Indeed, stripped of their context, some of his critiques of multiculturalism and immigration resemble arguments that have been advanced, not just by Europe’s far-right parties, but by mainstream conservative leaders such as David Cameron in Britain, Angela Merkel in Germany and Nicolas Sarkozy in France.
He continues:
How should European conservatives react? Not with the pretense that there’s somehow no connection whatsoever between Breivik’s extremism and the broader continental right. While his crimes should be denounced and disowned, their ideological pedigree has to be admitted.
But this doesn’t mean that conservatives need to surrender their convictions. The horror in Norway no more discredits Merkel’s views on Muslim assimilation than Ted Kaczynski’s bombs discredited Al Gore’s views on the dark side of industrialization.
Al Gore’s ideas can be discredited on their own, as many have done. It cannot be accomplished, as some tried at the time, by trying to discredit Gore because the Unabomber used his words for his own purposes. As wrong as Gore might be, it is not because a madman said he agreed with him and took the kind of terrorist action that Gore never supported.
The point is that the conservatives, as Douthat says, are right in their warnings. The tragedy of the madman’s murders in Norway, as horrible as they are, must not allow us to ignore the big picture. If we do, he has indeed won more than he intended. So I hereby second Douthat’s argument:
Conservatives on both sides of the Atlantic have an obligation to acknowledge that Anders Behring Breivik is a distinctively right-wing kind of monster. But they also have an obligation to the realities that this monster’s terrible atrocity threatens to obscure.
Amen.






I am under no obligation whatsoever “to acknowledge that Anders Behring Breivik is a distinctively right-wing kind of monster.” People like myself have carefully and prudently addressed the challenge of Islamic extremists living in our Western nations. Our intellectual premises are based on our Western religious Judeo-Christian heritage. Breivik only gave lip service to these ancient truths. He instead opted for pagan and especially Darwinian doctrines to guide his actions. The murderer obviously looked upon the innocent teenagers as viruses that had to be eliminated. This mindset is not even slightly conservative. It is a complete contradiction.
Absolutely. And for at least two reasons (more, but I’m pressed for time).
First, I have no doubt that a full airing of his views (universal healthcare, anybody?) will show that he holds positions across the spectrum but he wrote mostly about supposedly right wing ideas because those are the ones that weren’t being aired on a daily basis at all levels of society. He focused on what was being suppressed because it made no sense to spend energy on what was generally agreed.
Second, if I publicly support violence in furtherance of my politics then I might bear some guilt, but the mere fact that he and I are on the same side of some issues creates no responsibility in me for his behavior. That’s illogical nonsense selectively advanced by certain partisans trying to capitalize on the massacre for their own purposes.
I also suspect that Anders Behring Breivik is something of a macho gay similar to Ernst Roehm. Please note that there are no reports of him having any serious romantic relationships with women.
I find int insulting that you try to twist the atack on my country as something “darwinian and pagan”. What on earth is wrong with you? Have you no decency?
This is like saying that Hitler was not a christian, or that the moon is made of cheese. Clearly, you understand how riddiculous it sounds?
Yes Breivik wished to target the leftist goverment by “killing the leaders of tomorrow”. And yes, he was a fanatical christian deeply inspired by american christian extremists like Pat Robertson etc.
Does it make christianity bad by admiting to the fact that several western bombers were christians? No. It does not. It doesnt say anything about christianity.
I am all for open debate. But do not try to lie and cheat about this.
Regards,
A Norwegian Viking.
So, he’s a Christian, and a fundamentalist one at that, by virtue of being anti-Muslim, wanting to preserve “traditional European culture,” and seeking allies in conservative elements of the Norwegian church. Seems a rather loose definition of Christian.
He is also right-wing entirely in the European anti-immigrant sense: BNP, Le Pen. The North American hot-buttons for conservatives don’t seem to figure all that prominently in his writings. But he had a gun, so I guess he must be right-wing, because everyone knows that conservatives are more into those gun issues.
Well, I don’t think I’m in any particular danger at the moment, even though I belong to those hated groups that get seen as the perpetrators whatever the evidence is. But I’d be nervous if I were Jewish, because they always seem to be next whenever a country gets paranoid, and then eventually they’re first up against the wall.
Brievik is not a “fundamentalist.” In fact, his ideology is more closely aligned with the “Social Gospel,” which lies at the heart of “Progressive Christianity.” Consider these quotes from Brievik’s manifest. On page 49, he accuses fundamentalists of contributing to “negationism” (which he defines as the denial of the inherently evil character of Islam) by partnering with Muslims:
“In the U.S., Christian fundamentalists and Islamic organisations are increasingly creating common platforms to speak out against trends of moral decay (abortion, pornography, etc.). Some of these phenomena of traditionalist alliance-building are quite respectable, but they are nevertheless conducive to Islam negationism.”
On page 1361, in the course of a bizarre self-interview, he asks this question: “Q: Do I have to believe in God or Jesus in order to become a Justiciar Knight?”
Here’s the main part of his answer:
“It is not required that you have a personal relationship with God or Jesus in order to fight for our Christian cultural heritage and the European way. In many ways, our modern societies and European secularism is a result of European Christendom and the enlightenment. It is therefore essential to understand the difference between a “Christian fundamentalist theocracy” (everything we do not want) and a secular European society based on our Christian cultural heritage(what we do want).” In the manifest “do not” and “do” are in boldface.
He later asks (pg 1403): “Are you a religious man, and should science take priority over the teachings of the Bible?”
His answer: “As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings. Europe has always been the cradle of science and it must always continue to be that way. Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I’m not an excessively religious man. I am first and foremost a man of logic.”
I left out this passage from page 1307 of the manifest that shows conclusively that he is an adherent to the “Social Gospel” which makes him “Progressive Christian.” Under the heading “Distinguishing between cultural Christendom and religious Christendom,” Brievik writes:
“If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian.”
That may make him a Christian, but it certainly doesn’t make him a fundamentalist.
Your are spot on.
Cui bono? Indeed, if you look at Breitvik’s despicable actions, he couldn’t have come up with a better way to discredit the anti-Islamist cause he Purports to believe in if he tried. He is almost cartoonishly what the Left claims we are.
Call me a conspiracy theorist. But suppose a nutcase like this suddenly went 180 degrees in his actual convictions and decided he wanted to definitively discredit his erstwhile cause while getting the limelight he so obviously craves…
So, if someone now shoots those Western writers whom Breivik quoted, we can blame Shane for the murder.
I’ve been reading through Brievik’s Manifest. The media is downplaying his anti-globalization ideology. He echoes many of the Left’s critiques of global free-market capitalism. The difference lies in emphasis: the Left sees the free movement of goods and ideas (i.e. American culture)as a threat to distinct regional cultures, while Brievik sees the free movement of people (i.e. Muslims) as a threat to distinct regional cultures. Consider this passage from page 1195 of his manifest:
“As mentioned several times, the ongoing European civil war is not a class war, and as such it is not a war between socialism and capitalism. It is a cultural war between cultural conservatives and cultural Marxists (nationalism vs. internationalism)….Although globalist capitalism is a destructive concept does not mean that localised capitalism mechanics are….laissez-faire capitalism is a globalist concept (no government intervention) and has several drawbacks. Many economical protective measures must be in place securing the economical sustainability of our cultural conservative economic zone (European Federation).”
ABB published comments at document.no are not particularly extremist in expressing doubt about the idea of moderate islam, the multicultural society and arguing that all hate ideologies should be critizised, not just nazism. One can however see that he is obsessed with the ‘cultural marxists’ (which apparently are the Labour party) and their responsibility for destroying the Norwegian society, and that’s just over the top. If one should blame a party for being to lax regarding immigration and apologetic towards islam it ought to be Sosialistisk venstreparti, the socialist left party. Besides, Norway has a political group who openly declare that they want armed revolution. Maybe somebody ought to tell NY times about them: http://tjen-folket.no/sentralt/view/10260
As Bruce Bawer has observed, the Norwegian culture has been placidly tolerant of violent and malignant jihadists, and fosters anti-semitism. When evil is tolerated, all forms of it will spring up, just as weeds, if allowed to grow, will proliferate in many forms and dominate your garden.
I agree that when evil is tolerated it will spring up like weeds, just like these blogs and the ideological aggression that is planted here. When defending killing of innocent kids goes by without a reaction I believe it is time to take a step back and calm down. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to kill. No matter what religion, political view or anything else.
Funny…we never felt that way about the Hitler Youth when we obliterated Berlin and the rest of Germany. Just where the hell do you think violence is best infused then? In the youth of course, in future generations that will be sure of surrender and keeping the failed policies of their elders.
It works for the Islamists. Matter of fact..I think the socialists, progressives, communists and democratic marxists of their party…would love to annihilate conservatives and their Young Conservative / Republican clubs. Just a quick look at todays college camp-ii should be enough of a reminder that “progressives” don’t tolerate the right…or Jews.
The dems have lot’s of experience with that. The SDS, Panthers, Weather Underground, Symbionese Liberation Army, Jim Crow and the KKK.
Is Breivik sending a message “Behold here is a vision of your new Master.
Bow down before him, read the Koran and learn his ways. Death and destruction
of the Infidel is your duty”
Every conservative writer – every single one – should point out that the NY Times is the paper of Walter Duranty, of Herb Matthews, of Jason Blair, of the coverup of every major genocide of the 20th century, of the coverup of Islamofascism.
It should be stated as well by every Republican when an MSM shill refers to the Slimes.
Keep pushing this until the NY Times is finally so dead, not even Soros will bother to save it.
There’s only one way they can spin it.
Ignore the tens of millions of people killed by their fellow leftists, while wailing and moaning about a handful of people killed by right leaning nuts.
What else can they do?
Telling the truth sure ain’t going to work for them.
do you think they could even tell the truth?
I think papers like the Times try to tell the truth, except when it comes to politics.
You have about as much chance of finding political truths in lefty newspapers as you have of finding an ice cube in the middle of a supernova.
Their reporting of sports scores is pretty accurate, though.
The truth?
Ask conservative the chemical makeup of water. He’ll tell you it’s H2O.
Ask a lib what then is the makeup of an ice cube? They’ll say….H2O squared.
“Ignore the tens of millions of people killed by their fellow leftists, while wailing and moaning about a handful of people killed by right leaning nuts.”
An odious comment even for PJM — and that’s goin’ some.
The truth is always odious to lefties.
Let them be. They’ve finally caught a ghost they always said was there and, like Elaine in Ghostbusters, they want to shout, “We got one!” Let them have their day in the sun. Think about how long, how very long they’ve prayed and waited for this day.
I just hope they don’t take this as a sign that its OK to start rounding all of us up, because you know that’s the other part of their dream. Goldberg’s book wasn’t called Liberal Fascism for nothing.
The Times is attempting to link Breivik’s horrific deeds with American Conservatives by portraying him as a “Christian fundamentalist.” This is an absurd, indeed grotesque distortion of reality. He is, by his own admission, not a practicing Christian. The confusion is due mostly to Breivik’s choice of “Christian” as a euphemism for “European.” He seeks to differentiate between ethnic Europeans like himself and those who are immigrants from non-European cultures now currently living in Europe. Technically, a Muslim living in Norway could be casually described as “European” but Breivik’s position is about culture, not mere citizenship. So he uses the word “Christian” in a way that most people would simply use “European.”
But rather than honestly assessing the manifesto and acknowledging, for instance, that it was also greatly influenced by (and cribbed from) the Unabomber manifesto, the Times instead chooses to use the massacre to indict American Conservatives by falsely identifying Breivik as a “Christian fundamentalist.” This is a replay of the lies told about Timothy McVeigh, who was also incorrectly and deliberately portrayed as a “Christian fundamentalist.” The same folks who continue to promote such lies are the same ones who A) desperately and frantically attempted to portray Jared Loughner as a right-winger (which was as false as the egregious claim that Sarah Palin was responsible for the rampage) but also B) repeatedly insisted that Nidal Hassan, the Fort Hood shooter, was anything other than what he turned out to be: a home-grown jihadi terrorist. In fact, there were articles that attempted to portray Hassan as a “victim” of American culture in an attempt to essentially exonerate him while simultaneously blaming the victims. There was even an attempt to ascribe Hassan’s actions to “pre-post-traumatic stress.” Umm, WHAT?
Why does the Left have this pathetic need to defend murderous maniacs simply because the maniacs hold political views that are approved of by the Left? No doubt for the same reason that they have a compulsive need to demonize those who disagree with them on issues by fabricating false narratives and making illogical comparisons. The fundamental hypocrisy of the Left forces its adherants to do and say strange and disturbing things, such as taking gleeful pleasure in a massacre because it allows them to further their political agenda and tell more lies about those with whom they disagree.
“Why does the Left have this pathetic need to defend murderous maniacs simply because the maniacs hold political views that are approved of by the Left?”
My eldest brother told me something once: “Good people don’t care what you think as long as you do the right thing. Bad people don’t care what you do as long as you think the right thing.” And you know what they say about those that can’t do–they teach. Or write op-eds, in this case.
The irony in all this is that the gunman from Norway was acting..just like a crazed Muslim. And there are thousands more of them than him.
“Christian fundamentalist…” Really. The fundamental teachings of Christ Himself are found in the Church He Himself founded. “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Hmm…nothing there about police disguises. Maybe this, “Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. 54 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day”. Well, flesh and blood there, different kind though. Not the gunning down kind,the raising up kind. Maybe that line about killing the infidels wherever you find them…?
While I certainly concur with all sane people that, if you don’t look at it, it won’t be there, still I wonder precisely why does it matter what ‘wing’ a depraved monster comes from?
Just to keep things in perspective, since 9/11 the number of deaths attributed to right-wing fanatics is so small that it is statistically barely measurable. This horrific carnage in Norway represents a onetime spike on an otherwise nearly flat line on a graph chart.
On the other hand, let’s take a look at the daily statistics maintained by the website thereligionofpeace.com. As of today [7/26/11] since 9/11 there have been 17,501 deadly Islam inspired attacks. The figures for the month of June are 930 dead and 1,527 critically injured.
The New York Times motto is “All the news that’s fit to print.” I do wish the NYT would see fit to link up with thereligionofpeace.com and publish their frightening statistics at least once a week.
I have never understood what a “right-winger” is. Aside from the caricature of a right-winger as a gun-toting, Bible-quoting, Storm-Trooperish goon wielding a night-stick, the term, I eventually realized, is an emotive term that connotes the absolute power of fascism. But fascism is simply socialism with a gun, King Kong astride the Empire State Building beating the breast of collectivism and national “unity.” It is Nazism, or corporatist socialism, with all businesses, industries, and all citizens working for the greater glory of the collective and taking orders from on high. And in the context of today’s peril, aside from fascist tendencies in this country, it is the Islamic Ummah, or Muslim “community,” which will not find “peace” until it embraces the whole globe and believers and unbelievers are in thrall to it. In essence a “right-winger” is not a champion of individual rights, private property, freedom of speech and other liberties. There are secular “right-wingers” and religious ones and they are all enemies of freedom. The term is a misleading misnomer, measured on a scale fabricated I cannot recall at the moment. But on its own terms, a “right-winger” is simply a “left-winger” in disguise, seeking the same repressive, totalitarian ends.
Perhaps more importantly than diverting attention away from the legitimate concern with Islamic jihad, is the blank check the MSM is handing our government to monitor and perhaps repress legitimate criticism of Islam. Many of these “Islamaphobic” websites are sponsored, edited and written for by Christians. Because Breivik is alleged to be a “fundamentalist Christian,” ergo, would go the “reasoning,” all Christian and other critics of Islam are potential mass murderers and must be reined in.
If censorship comes to this country, it will be by the invitation of the MSM and the left-liberal political and intellectual establishment.
I find it extraordinarily ironic and sad that the MSM seems to successfully correlate Christian fundamentalism with evil and yet never mentions Islamic fundamentalism (that I’m aware of). The irony being that the foundation of Christianity (Christ himself) has nothing to do with the actions of this whacko; whereas, the fundamentals of Islam are so much closer to those actions in terms of how that religion (political system) sees Jews, Christians, etc.
Every group has its crazy people who go outside the bounds.
We should be thankful that most Muslims are not fundamentalists; yet, that does not erase Islam’s foundation.
We should be sad that more Christians don’t practice its fundamentals (and I don’t mean the MSM’s definition thereof) as opposed to what we/they tend to do, which is to blend in.
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Gordie Howe was a right winger and a real good one! Go RED WINGS!!! Now where did I put my octopus???
That would be like the The New York Times saying, “Well, if we had just focused on right-wing nut jobs after the Oklahoma City tragedy, 9/11 would never have happened.” That would be just silly. Ironically, the Times is probably trying to get some payback now for the shooting of the Congresswoman in Arizona. Remember that one, when the far-left and people at the Times tried to pin those murders on Sarah Palin and conservatives? Then these same people were embarrassed to find out that the killer was simply a deranged lunatic. Regardless of the political beliefs of this nut in Norway, the fact still remains that he was simply a deranged lunatic, like that guy in Arizona. America does not have a monopoly on lunatics.
But liberals and people at The New York Times (well, what really is the difference), had better not equate one lone gunman, like the guy in Norway, with a world-wide radical Islamic movement like al Qaeda. Al Qaeda is a very real organization with many members with its sole purpose being the destruction of the United States and its allies. Al Qaeda has killed thousands of people and intends to kill thousands more. We don’t know for sure if this guy in Norway is part of a larger organization or if he just worked on his own. Either way, lumping the Norway killer and al Qaeda together would not only be foolish, it would be dangerous too. Because past experience has shown that the threat from Radical Isalm has been far, far, greater than anything the far-right has been able to come up with. And that’s just a plain fact.
Two thoughts here: The first is that the NYT does not abide by its overt motto: All the news that fit to print, by rather by its covert motto: All the news that fits our views, that’s what we print. What the NYT is doing here is what it did in the Duke/lacrosse scandal: reporting a meta-narrative of what it would like to be true. Whatever the NYT reports should be dismissed out of hand as being untrustworthy.
As for the right/left thing, a commenter on NRO pointed out that in Europe, nationalists are called ‘rightists’ and internationalilsts are called ‘leftists’ (and hence the National Socialists German Workers Party, a/k/a Nazis, was considered ‘rightists’ while the International Socialist Paty, a/k/a/ Communist, was considered ‘leftists’; as Jonah Goldberg has so adeptly shown, both would be considered ‘leftists’ in the US). So, in this case, the terms are being used incorrectly when describing the Norewigian shooter (but don’t tell the NYT that, because it would uspset its meta-narrative).
“… the National Socialists German Workers Party, a/k/a Nazis, was considered ‘rightists’ while the International Socialist Paty, a/k/a/ Communist, was considered ‘leftists’; as Jonah Goldberg has so adeptly shown, both would be considered ‘leftists’ in the US.”
Only by idiots.
Ad hominems are not arguments. If you want to disagree, do so without being disagreeable. Meanwhile go to Amazon and buy the book. Reading is fun-damental.
Need I remind all of you that the only place that Christian and Conservative appear in relation to this guy is on a Facebook page that appears to have been edited after the event took place.
The whole thing appears to be manufactured, and is being drubbed into everyone’s heads by a media that is all playing from the same sheet of music.
Scott Shane is nothing but a race bater. Shane and the NYT are simply following up on the President’s video where white people are now the new terrorists. Amazing isn’t it that this rampage happens a week after the video is released by DHS?
“Asked if the rampage was aimed at the Labor Party, or at Muslim immigrants, Mr. Lippestad said: “This was an attack on the Labor Party.” a quote from the defense attorney in NYTimes, 07/26/2011
Again, he said, “This was an attack on the Labor Party.”
While our domestic right-wing pundits and bloggers are focused on issues related to Muslim immigration in Europe, the motivation here appears to be blind, insane hatred of Norway’s ruling social-democratic Labor Party and Social Democracy. The youth group at camp is member of the International Union of Socialist Youth (“IUSY”). The killer murdered the flower of the next generation of democratic socialists. My conclusion is the killer is an anti-socialist driven ideological mass murderer.
Of course, leave it to Glenn Beck to make a defining comment, he says, discussing the massacre in Norway,
“As the thing started to unfold, and then there was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler Youth or whatever — I mean, who does a camp for kids that’s all about politics? Disturbing. But anyway, so there’s this political camp, and some crazy man goes and starts shooting kids.”
Deflecting shame, by describing the victims as if “Hitler Youth, or whatever”
goes a long way toward understanding the Right’s meme of “blaming the victims,”
No, the Labor Party’s youth group is not the “Hitler Youth or whatever.” Multiculturalism is not a totalitarian ideology nor is the Labor Party’s youth group like the “Hitler Youth, or whatever.”
Right-wing pundits will suffer public shame while they distance themselves. The killer was such a willing fan, an enthusiast, of many spokespersons of the far-right fringe of American politics, there ideologies and religious beliefs. It appears that the killer is a distant ideological and spiritual cousin of the extremist Right-wing philosophy.
Lawrence: You need to go back and reread your history books. It is the left that is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions of innocents in the last century alone.
kjatexas:
Seems like you’ve been schooled in the “Texas knee-jerk reaction” when ever someone from the left makes a statement. Norway’s Social Democrats, the Labor Party, does not have blood on it’s hands. Are you familiar with Quisling?
“Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling (Norwegian: [ˈʋɪdkʉn ˈkʋɪʃlɪŋ] ( listen); 18 July 1887 – 24 October 1945) was a Norwegian politician. On 9 April 1940, with the German invasion of Norway in progress, he seized power in a Nazi-backed coup d’etat that garnered him international infamy. From 1942 to 1945 he served as Minister-President, working with the occupying forces. His government, known as the Quisling regime, was dominated by ministers from Nasjonal Samling, the party he had founded in 1933. The collaborationist government participated in Germany’s Final Solution. Quisling was put on trial during the post-war legal purge in Norway and found guilty of charges including embezzlement, murder and high treason. He was executed by firing squad at Akershus Fortress, Oslo, on 24 October 1945. During World War II, quisling became a synonym for traitor.”
Your reckess charge of “one hundred million,” used against Social Democracy is an outstanding lie and scandalous denegration of the Norway’s Democratic Left.
You are definately a distant cousin of Anders-maybe Texas style.
the only “reckless” statement about the 100 million is that it is too low…
daxypoo: I’m not impressed by conservatives claiming one hundred million deaths attributed to anyone on the Left they disagree with. It is a big lie, repeated by big mouths, from the big state of right-wing extremist, “nutterlandia.”
Never an attribution, never a sourse, never the truth.
Plenty of blood has been spilled, but not by the Labor Parties and Social Democrats. According to nutterlanders, all socialists are Pol Pot, all liberalisms are totalitarian, all democrats are statists. Total balooney. You too are a distant relative of Anders.
Plenty of blood has been spilled, but not by the Labor Parties and Social Democrats.
You’ve wasted a lot of words to simply split that hair. If it will help you you get over your pointless hissy fit, we’ll stipulate that the current socialist government in Norway hasn’t slaughtered millions of people.
Calm now?
Read for comprehension, Lawrence. He didn’t use the 100 million in relation to Social Democracy, he used it in relation to the Left. And it happens to be true, whether you want it to be or not. Millions in Russia, many millions more in China. I won’t do your homework for you, but if you’re interested in truth, simply look up the Bolsheviks or the Cultural Revolution.
Just because Europe is supine toward its enemies and relatively harmless now emphatically does *NOT* mean it always will be. It’s had a holiday from history for the last 60 years or so due to others protecting them, but that’s about to change drastically due to financial realities and the Euros will have to either pick up their own arms and defend themselves (and give up the cradle-to-grave stuff) or simply go quietly into that good night. And European history older than 60 years or so suggests that not only will they pick up those arms, but begin to use them. A lot. On non-Euros and on each other. I’m American, but I’m probably more worried about what the European leftist reaction will be when the money finally runs out than I am about my own country’s reaction to the same phenomenon. After all, at least in this country it’s not all THAT long ago that Americans still had a tradition of individualism. In Europe it’s almost passed out of living memory. And there’s nothing more dangerous than a pampered population who are no longer pampered, looking for someone to blame for the loss of their lifestyle and bearing weapons.
Something to consider.
Agoraphobic Plumber
“Read for comprehension, Lawrence. He didn’t use the 100 million in relation to Social Democracy, he used it in relation to the Left. And it happens to be true, whether you want it to be or not. Millions in Russia, many millions more in China. I won’t do your homework for you, but if you’re interested in truth, simply look up the Bolsheviks or the Cultural Revolution.”
I agree the Russians and the Chinese Communists have blood on their hands. Its millions for sure and any Social Democrat will tell you as much. I think a hundred million is a wild ass estimate. I’ve read Richard Pipes “Russia Under the Bolshevik Regime,” 1994. Pipes is held in high esteem by the Right. To the best of my knowledge, nowhere in Pipes many works will you find the figure of “one hundred million.”
“Deflecting shame, by describing the victims as if “Hitler Youth, or whatever”
goes a long way toward understanding the Right’s meme of “blaming the victims,”
No, the Labor Party’s youth group is not the “Hitler Youth or whatever.” Multiculturalism is not a totalitarian ideology nor is the Labor Party’s youth group like the “Hitler Youth, or whatever.” ”
Actually, to American sensibilities there really IS something creepy about a political indoctrination camp for youth, and now that you mention it, it DOES sound a little too much like the Hitler Youth. After all, before “Hitler” (rightly) became more or less synonymous with “evil”, he was just another politician who happened to run a political version of the boy scouts. It was only later that “Hitler Youth” took on a sinister flavor. So now here we have a very similar political youth program. Hmmmm. What does the future hold for THIS program?
Oh, and multiculturalism IS a totalitarian ideology, or at least is the fastest way to get there from here. If the multicultis get their way, it will soon be illegal to criticize anybody who is not a straight, white, christian male. And the punishment for doing so will likely exceed anything doled out to the likes of the Enron criminals and CERTAINLY will exceed that given to any member of the current administration for their weapons trafficking activities.
Perception is Reality.
The NY Times knows that if they link “Right-Wing Christian” with “Murder” enough times in their articles, it won’t matter what the reality is. The NYT articles will be reprinted in papers across the globe thousands of times, and the narrative will be set. As much as we like to believe in the alternative media, the actual facts of the matter have become tiny little insignificant items, and this loon will be used as a club to whack on any idea the Left wants to demote for the next twenty years.
It frightens me. Before this happened, we got a Disciple of Saul Alinsky in the White House. After this has happened, who knows what nuts the people will be herded into electing as their leaders.
Despite being a long-time and experienced publisher of fiction, the New York Times has committed a stylistic error: they’re telling instead of showing. I really expected better from such a well-known sensationalist publication. Let the reader *see* that the gunman was specifically a mad Christian, don’t just tell us. Perhaps insert a new scene of him kissing a crucifix before murdering those people? That would serve to underline the point and give us a villain we could really align with a particular ideology, instead of merely informing us that he’s aligned with them.
This is elementary creative writing here, guys. Really, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Rosa E., the only possible option for the NYT was to tell instead of show that “the gunman was specifically a mad Christian” because, as numerous passages in Breivik’s Manifesto make clear, he was/is not a practising Christian, let alone “a fundamentalist Christian”:
“Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I’m not an excessively religious man. I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Europe.”
“If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God, then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do, however, believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and a moral platform. This makes us Christian [in a broad and generic sense].”
Our government-funded broadcaster up here in Canada, the Canadian Broadcast Corporation, with much the same “peccadilloes” as the NYT (the difference being that the CBC receives over $1-billion of taxpayers’ dollars every year, in addition to advertising revenue) reveled in calling Anders Behring Breivik “a fundamentalist Christian” in their first newscasts of the massacre.
So far, there’s been no retraction.
“Crazed,” “deranged,” “insane” seem to be the going terms for explaining Norway’s lost innocence. The boy was just going “postal,” like that Major Hasan hollering “god is great” while killing his compadres. Exactly when was that Norwegian innocence lost? During the Viking era of Norwegian long boat rampage, pillage, and looting of post Roman Europe? Was the innocence lost when the Norwegians became Christians? Or perhaps when the Norwegians were occupied by the Germans during WW2, when they executed Norwegians for resisting the occupation. Or, perhaps their innocence was regained after 1948, when the Norwegians quit executing German collaborators in a fit of victor’s justice? All insane, crazed, and deranged seems to mean is that the brutal violence of the lone terrorist wasn’t authorized by the state, like those group carpet bombings of cities and civilians during WW2 by bomber command. When you cut to the chase, Brevik is apparently insane for demonstrating a knack for self initiated activity; an activity, apparently, that Muslims seem to excel in when you bother to count the incidents. The West one, Muslims ? Ergo, Islam is insane.
I rarely have time to go back and analyze the arguments which may be posted in response to my statements—because there are so many far-right-wing-ultra-conservative Internet sites to be read. In positing the following comment, the only thing I ask is that whether the assertions be mine or others,
divest yourselves of all pejorative thinking and investigate for yourself to find the truth:
“It’s funny how all the ultra-right wing are distancing themselves from this incident, similar to the way they distance themselves for George W. Bush’s fiscal policy now”.
If you want to be entertained, watch FOX, MSNBC, or CNN. If you want to be informed, real news and analysis, watch LinkTV or FreeSpeechTV or CurrentTV for real news, analysis, and documentaries.
As has been noted, if the main thrust of Breivik’s point of view was that Muslims were taking over Europe and that the supine socialists/multiculturalists in power were aiding them in that attempt, then by killing the children of Norwegian multiculturalists/socialists he was discrediting and landing a knockout blow against his own cause.
The guy is a nut job, and you can’t count on him to be necessarily logical but, his actions when compared with his supposed goals just don’t add up, and the idea that the massacre he carried out and his manifesto and other appearances on the Internet may all be part of a “false flag operation” has crossed my mind, particularly when I noted that Breivik’s Facebook page had been altered just after the attack by adding the terms “Christian” and “conservative” to his profile (see https://romanticpoet.wordpress.com/tag/anders-behring-breivik-facebook-page-altered-to-show-christian-and-conservative/) .
The MSM will do whatever it takes to push the liberal agenda. Check out this humorous cartoon at http://drawfortruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/26/civil-vs-uncivil/ on the uncivil obedience of the left.
Not mentioned in any analyses of the massacre is this report coming from the Oslo police department on the ethnicity of violent rapists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_rHFKRwv5Y&feature=player_embedded
Ron, sparrowhawk touches upon a pet peeve of mine. In a ploy to exploit guilt-by-association, the Left (i.e. believers in collectivism and planned economy) has for years conflated the Right (i.e. believers in individualism and free market economy) with extreme nationalism, racism, xenophobia, isolationism and any other negative and/or violent movement not explicitly leftist. Unfortunately, this effort has been laregely successful, to the point that any time a racist asshole acts out his violent fantasies it is immediately branded as “right-wing” violence, even by those who, like youself, should understand the difference.
“Conflated the Right”? Apparently, you haven’t been following RR’s blog and its continuing demonization of a straw-man “Left.”
“Conservatives on both sides of the Atlantic have an obligation to acknowledge that Anders Behring Breivik is a distinctively right-wing kind of monster.”
Wonder if RR even realizes that he blogs for a distinctively right-wing kind of site. Wonder if he even reads the vile anti-Moslem comments that are allowed to stand — but of course some of those comments come from the bloggers themselves. But no matter. RR, always ready with a tu quoque argument, would rather talk about the People’s Temple.
The only thing the new york times is good at is when my brother use`s it to cover the bottom of his bird cage. Why waste you time with dishonest news paper!
Amazing. After 9/11 the left said not to rush to judgement, and to not vilify other Muslims for what the “pervertors” of Islam had done. Although I have no url to cite that the NY Times said this too, dollars to donuts they did, in some form. Yet now they rush to judge and vilify. Why does Islam get a pass?
A pathetic performance by RR. To quote Jon Stewart, “I actually feel sorry for the pundits and anchors who have added this story to their file of grievances that are perpetrated against them. Not because I think they are actually victims of persecution, but because their sense of grievance and victimization that appears to pervade their every waking moment is actually something they hate … in others.”
“As you know by now, a fourth woman has come forward and accused Herman Cain of sexual harassment. This woman gave the details, pretty graphic. She said that Herman Cain tried to put his hand up her. So now when Cain says he is reaching out to the American people, you know what he’s reaching for.” –Jay Leno