The Hubris of Peter Beinart
When Peter Beinart published his now notorious New York Review of Books article in June, I knew that a big book contract would be in the offing, making him into next year’s version of Walt and Mearsheimer. There is nothing the official liberal establishment likes better than an American Jew who, speaking in the name of all good American Jews, blasts the current Israeli government, its defenders in the United States, and anyone who does not agree with him. I wrote about his article in this blog, and provided links to articles critical of Beinart by Noah Pollak and Jamie Kirchick.
Since his article and the publication of his book The Icarus Syndrome: A History of American Hubris, Beinart has revealed his own hubris in column after column written for The Daily Beast. But today he outdid himself, weighing in on the Ground Zero mosque controversy. And as anyone familiar with Beinart would know, he would support the building of the mosque and condemn anyone opposed to building it close to the site of the destroyed World Trade Center.
Pretending that he misses W., a man for whom he had nothing but disdain when he was president, Beinart now argues that at least Bush and the Republicans used to argue that most Muslims were “decent folks who wanted nothing more than to live free like you and me.” Bush administration spokesmen told the world that in America, Muslims were free to practice their religion. So Beinart declares, “I pine for George W. Bush,” a man who “respected religion, all religion.”
Beinart’s implication is that if one opposes the mosque being built on the proposed site near the World Trade Center, they are opposed to freedom of religion. He ignores the obvious point that Democrats like Sen. Harry Reid and other politicians of both parties are making. While freedom of religion is a right enjoyed by all Americans, that right does not mean that it must be exercised at all times and in all circumstances. If the goal of the mosque is to bring people together, which its Imam says it is, then they have certainly failed. But Beinart claims those opposed are all declaring “war on Islam.”
Second, he argues that from now on, one can no longer refer to “idealistic neoconservatives,” since those we are supposedly fighting to free in Iraq and Afghanistan have now learned that believers in Islam cannot “practice their religion free of intimidation and insult…on the lower tip of the island of Manhattan.” No, Peter, they can freely do so — and build a mosque or community center on that tip, only a few more blocks away from the Ground Zero site. That is, unless one defines freedom of religion as the right to build a mosque anywhere its sponsors want, even if it offends the sensibility of most Americans. One must wonder if Beinart would support a Japanese cultural center next to the ruins of the American battleship sunk at Pearl Harbor, or if he thinks the Pope was wrong to tell the Carmelite nuns to close down their order’s building put up next to the remains of Auschwitz. Was the Pope, then, opposing the right of Catholics to practice their religion?
Next, Beinart lectures the French about their anti-headscarf law. Evidently, he is not familiar with the atmosphere in France and elsewhere in Europe, where in many Muslim neighborhoods women live in fear of opposing sharia law, and the wrath of the righteous who seek to limit their freedom. I’m certain that Phyllis Chesler would be glad to send him some of her books to educate him on this question, as undoubtedly would Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Finally, we come to the most egregious paragraph of all, which I shall print in its entirety:
And oh yes, my fellow Jews, who are so thrilled to be locked arm in arm with the heirs of Pat Robertson and Father Coughlin against the Islamic threat. Evidently, it’s never crossed your mind that the religious hatred you have helped unleash could turn once again against us. Of course not, we’re insiders in this society now: Our synagogues grace the toniest of suburbs; our rabbis speak flawless English; we Jews are now effortlessly white. Barely anyone even remembers that folks in Lower Manhattan once considered us alien and dangerous, too.
Whom, may I ask, is “locked arm in arm with the heirs of Pat Robertson and Father Coughlin”? Perhaps Father Coughlin, whose last article before he died was an interview in the left-wing New York paper, The Village Voice, in which he made a strong attack on the Vietnam War and an endorsed the anti-war movement, is really more akin to Peter Beinart. Assuredly Beinart would have been in the anti-war movement, were he then a little older. And given Coughlin’s virulent anti-Semitism and pro-Hitler views in the ’30s, had he lived longer, he would have been Beinart’s ally today in his criticism of Israel.
Now I’m certain that Beinart opposes Pat Robertson’s religious grounds for being pro-Israel, and sees it as spurious and dangerous. He, like many liberal and leftist Jews, undoubtedly does not welcome support for Israel from Christian evangelicals. But Robertson’s claim to be pro-Israel is as legitimate as Beinart’s claim that when he opposes everything Israel does, he is still being pro-Israel. As for the Israelis, many of them welcome the support of Christian evangelicals, who are sticking by them when everyone else, including liberal American Jews, are leading the charge against support for the Jewish state.
I wonder what a poll of Israelis would say if they were asked who is more their friend and supporter, Pat Robertson or Peter Beinart?






Pete can have W., who was equally ignorant about Islam and didn’t have the sense to name the enemy as Jihad. Oh, golly, that might reflect badly on the ROP. The more we learn about Islam, the more we have reason to despise it. The gloating by Arabs right after 911 needs to be remembered as well. It’s alive an well in this Cordoba Victory Mosque.
Gary, it’s not ‘gloating’ it’s ‘rote’ for the Islamofascist ‘TIWOL’ (taqiyya islam way of life), or as I like to say, “Truth Is Woefully Obfuscated by Leftists”.
Don’t blame me. What can I say? I saw through the shallow Peter Beinart ages ago. It amazed me that supposedly sane and intelligent people ever took him seriously. Beinart is merely another shallow mediocrity who places his wet finger into the air to see which way the wind is blowing. When are we going to stop with the nonsense of giving folks a free ride in life merely because they attended Yale and/or Oxford? The typical graduate from one of these elite schools is usually second rate—and also a resume whore. Barack Obama is a quintessential example.
There is no such ‘thing’ as ‘truth’…that is ‘indoctrination 101′ duh?
Shallow mediocrity, that’s the perfect description.
I suppose one can add coward to the resume as they appease, appease, appease instead of confronting that which which threatens them, morally and physically.
“… unless one defines freedom of religion to build a mosque anywhere its sponsors want, even if it offends the sensibility of most Americans.”
That’s a pretty good definition.
“…given Coughlin’s virulent anti-Semitism and pro-Hitler views in the 30’s, had he lived longer, he would have been Beinart’s ally today in his criticism of Israel.”
Anti-Zionists love to complain that any criticism of Israel results in their being labeled anti-Semitic. A lot of bunk usually, but comments like RR’s, above, demonstrate that sometimes they have a point.
I hate to break this to you, but Freedom of Religion is the right to worship HOW we want, not necessarily WHERE we want. Ask the ACLU about that some time.
Zoning might stop a church from being built in certain areas, but “offending sensibilities” would not. That’s why the First Amendment was added to the Constitution in the first place.
Joseph- Thank you for your rational assessment of yet another completely embarrassing moment in American history.
Although, as a Jew, I shudder at some of the End Time scenarios that some evangelicals anticipate enthusiastically, I should have condemned Beinart for bringing up Coughlin in the first place and linking him to Robertson.
Islam is a political system wraped up in a religion. Islam will tell you what to do on any subject. For example: Women, beat them if they do not obey you, and they better have their head covered. Sex with boys, not after they grow facial hair, Jews, they are from monkeys, and pigs…
To me, Islam is a false political/religious system worshiping the moon god Hubal, and following a mad man named Mohammad. It is from, and stuck in the 7th century. It is the enemy, and does not belong inside these United States.
ROPMA!
Amen! And we, the “tolerant” U-S of A, have let this dangerous cancer breed and spread throughout the land.
The enemy is Islam, and we have welcomed them with open arms.
Not only that, but we bend over backward and kiss their collective Islamic asses to meet their customs.
How soon before we have foot washing tubs in every bathroom in America, and it’s part of the building code?
This madness has got to stop.
Leatherneck- Your comment is another example of clear and unambiguous hate speech and racism. It is disappointing that Pajama Media moderators allow this level of a comment.
Extremist religious ideology exists in many religions. Please read the reply I gave to Gloria in comment 31.
Pardner, just in case you missed the back story on Mohammed and the Koran, here it is:
I could not put this better myself, so I’ll just partially quote it: “….Mohammad ibn Abdallah blackmailed the nature worshipping Arabs on the pain of death, to submit to his personality based murder cult called Submission (“Islam” in Arabic). He brainwashed them to emulate him by forcing them to imbibe all his qualities, including deception (Taqiya) and cruelty, in accordance with the Sunnat (the principle that orders Muslims to emulate Mohammad in all aspects of their lives). The ultimate expression of the Sunnat included the naming of each and every Muslim as “Mohammad ”. All this ensured that each Muslim became a clone of the evil, manipulative and cruel genius that Mohammad was.”
Whatever possesses these people to think that we will willingly allow then to erect a victory monument to their treachery at the very site of their crimes?
B Dubya- Many religious scriptures contain clear and unambiguous hate speech, supremacism and subjugation.
Current Muslim practices are too “extreme” for most developed and western cultures today. But those practices would have more acceptable in the past. Although the styles of oppression were not the same, Islamic world subjection is a result of their societies being over three centuries behind western civilizations in literary and economic development.
olarized you are on this one my friend. Where would you suggest it be built? How far from ground zero is far enough?
To quote Martin Wolf “There is a German cultural institute in London, even though 50,000 people were killed by indiscriminate German bombing in the second world war. Until I read this piece by Mr Radosh, it never occurred to me that I should find this shocking. I don’t, of course. Yet by his analogy with a Japanese cultural centre at Pearl Harbor, apparently I should.”
And to quote Jean Baneth “Whether or not the WTC was the best location for the center is a separate issue from the reactions, which treat all Islam as responsible.”
continued
“It is not only insulting to those Muslims who are the first victims, and the first opponents, of terrorists; it tells them that, after all, those who speak of a war of religions are after all right.”
Have you read Harrison Koehli’s article “Ponerology 104: The Truth Behind the War on Terror” published last month on SOTT.NET?
Here’s the link
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212715-Ponerology-104-The-Truth-Behind-the-War-on-Terror
If someone were building a Christian, Jewish, Buddhist or other denominational place of worship in or near NYC’s ground zero, no one would be talking about it.
But if Timothy Mcveigh was a Christian, family members and friends of his Muslim victims wouldn’t stand a chance of persuading Christians to build a place of worship away from Oklahoma City’s ground zero.
Nice article! I’ll take Beinart and other smug moralists seriously when they take a hard line against intolerance of Judaism and Christianity in Muslim countries.
Beinart is the author of “The Good Fight: Why only Liberals Can Win the War on Terror and Make America Great Again”. Exactly wrong on both counts. Liberals consistently get it wrong on precisely those two points again and again. Why? Because they don’t comprehend the nature of the enemies of freedom, and they see the US as the source of all injustice.
A devotee of Reinhold Niebuhr, Beinart is the archetypical self-hating pseduointellectual. Seen them many times in academia, most often the perpetual PhD candidates sequestered in the faculty lounge of the philosophy department. Can you imagine if these types ran the world?
yes, they are running the country (into the ground)
A PB is a dweeb crying crocodile tears for freedom of religion and separation of church and state, but the Muslim religion in question doesn’t believe in separation of Mosque and state, but will hypocritically enjoy that legal status to build a victory trophy. And people like Beinart touting freedom of religion are usually the first to denigrate religion in the public square, unless its the Pisschrist. For example, the Greek Orthodox church destroyed at ground zero can’t get an approval to rebuild their four story church, but an eighteen story Mosque gets the express lane for construction. Only in modern America. Some civil rights are more equal than others, so instead of “no blood for oil” its build a victory Mosque in New York for better access to oil and look to recast Tel Aviv as Saigon.
So much controversy over the cordoba mosque..and you are right!! No one pays attention to the little Greek Orthodox Church that is not being allowed to rebuild across from Ground Zero..
St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church is having a battle with the port authorities…the “victory over America” mosque is not. They started having services there (St Nicholas) in 1922!!
It is a “victory mosque” and we all know that. Americans are not afraid to call a spade a spade..but our politicians are. What a joke we have for a president, a disgraceful joke.
That is simply disgusting to me. That church should have been, at the very least, a historical landmark. I truly hope that it will be rebuilt in all its glory. Of course from my viewpoint the best way to rebuild it would be to use the materials designated for a mosque no one wants.
Islam is no more of a religion than The Peoples Temple was; I don’t care how many people follow it. It is a violent, aggressive death cult, nothing more, and should be treated with an admixture of ridicule and contempt, and watched with constant vigilance. Islam is the Borg, and it is not compatible with western liberalism.
“And oh yes, my fellow Jews, who are so thrilled to be locked arm in arm with the heirs of Pat Robertson and Father Coughlin against the Islamic threat. Evidently, it’s never crossed your mind that the religious hatred you have helped unleash could turn once again against us.”–Some dolt
Yeah, well if a group of Jews get together and murdered a few thousand Americans, (including children that they’ve taken captive) in the name of God, and then another group of Jews comes along and wants to build a temple right near the scene of the crime, that might very well stir up a hard feeling or three against them what practice Judaism.
Especially, if that was only one of many such acts carried out by groups of Jewish trerrorists, and especially if the vast majority of Jews either approved of the act, or couldn’t be arsed to do anything against the people who perpetrated it…as is the case with the vast majority of Muslims on this planet.
Lastly, not wanting an Islamic temple built where thousands of innocent people were murdered in cold blood by fanatic followers of Islam isn’t exactly the same thing as religious hatred.
I read Peter Beinart’s article. It was painfully contrived nonsense and somehow, at the same time, self worshipping. A real head shaker.
Ayn Rand had a quote in one of her books that typifies what is happening to us in the USA – “We are being held hostage by our own virtue”. They us our virtues against us. Our enemies know we value freedom of religion, so they demand the “right” to build where ever they want. But the right of religion, is not a building permit. They use our belief in the value of human life and the value of innocents as a war strategy, launhing their attacts from schools and hospitals, or having their army dress as civilians knowing we will not retaliate. They teach their young to be walking bombs. This is not a religion! This is a political/economic system disguised as a religion as a means to conquer.
As a Christian, we are taught to turn the other cheek, because if you are hit by a person, who shares your values, they will realize the error of their way and turn to discussion instead of violence. Ghandi used this shared value system to first shame and then discuss and eventually achieve freedom from British rule. But non-violence solutions can only work when you are dealing with people who share a common value system – that each person is valued.
Do you think Ghandi would have achieved equal results as, let’s say a christian in Afganistan wanting freedom for his people, from the warlords or the Taliban or from the islamic faith? No, of course not.
When our virtues are used against us in a attempt to destroy us or conquer us (same thing) then we must instead match hit for hit, strike for strike. The bully is weak when confronted with equal or greater strength.
If Evangelicals wanted to build a Christian Outreach Center on the same spot, would Peter Beinart attack those who did not approve the project and say they are at war with Christianity and locked arm and arm with the heirs of Nero?
But then Peter likely thinks the Christians really did burn down Rome. I saw a show on PBS once that rather liked the possibility.
No-One pays attention to Beinart other than self-loathing Jews and anti-semites. The bottom line is that Beinart defends those who would prohibit Jews (and only Jews) from building in many places – such as East Jerusalem, West Bank and Gaza – on the basis that sensitivity is required, but will fight for the rights of most radicals opposed to the idea of US exceptionalism. He will defend most adversaries of the US because deep down he is a socialist and cannot stand a strong and assertive US and anything that undermines US strength or Israel is usually hunky dory for PB
Yet another leftist strawman. If you object to the Ground Zero mosque, you hate Muslims. If you object to same-sex marriage, you hate homosexuals. If you object to partial-birth abortion, you want to enslave women. If you object to left-wing propagandization of schoolchildren, you hate public education.
(Well, actually, I do hate public education, but the propagandization of schoolchildren is a minor component of it.)
Leftists cannot win an argument on the merits. They must recur to ad hominems, to strawmen, and to irrelevancies of innumerable kinds. In the last analysis, their problem is that they can’t admit to error even when they know they’re wrong; the damage to their vision of differential rectitude would cripple them emotionally.
Keep the pressure up. We’re winning.
Bravo!
Why doesn’t Obama, Mayor Bloomberg, Beinart, et.al., support building the Mosque directly on ground zero? What greater show of ‘tolerance’ can American’s make? Surly Obama, the mayor and all the rest have the courage of their convictions? The great one can use his ‘gift’ to teach ‘clingers’ the error of our ways.
Barry Davis is right, Beinart hates liberty and therefore the United States because he wants to be a tyrant. He cannot stand disagreement and decisions made by compromise, voting, etc. because He is Right.
“… because He is Right.”
No. Barry is Left. Very, very Left.
And by Barry, I am referring to The Won.
This Beinart column is little more than an incoherent rant. While you are right about the substance, it is hard to even go there because of the mindless vitriol.
Peter Beinart is the new Pat Buchanan (without the solid prose and infrequent rational thought). Odd morphing there. This guy is beyond self-loathing. He obviously is quite insane.
There is a terrible, reaching, ugly, insidious, terror that describes the HORROR of 9/11. People like me felt the 911 horror like a sock in my gut and I was just an onlooker watching CNN. Suddenly I realized the ‘Islamists’ were ‘serious’ in their evil intent of destroying “Little Satan”…
All those who refuse to accept Islam get their heads chopped off, honor killings, gays killed (recently hung), anyone of not the religion of “islam”?
I’m sorry but it’s time to fuckin’ nuke ‘em all.
It has long past time for the US to get serious. All we need do is make a statement. The very next terrorist attack that can be proven to be perpetrated by Islamists results in Mecca being turned to glass with a nuke. The next incident after that, Medina gets wiped off the face of the Earth. It’s time to fight fire with fire. Perhaps then the Islamists will stop?
Right with you, Peter. I’m sick of this namby-pambying around Islamofascists who have only ONE intent and that is to bring us to our knees.
That’s probably their hidden agenda behind this obvious ‘trojan’ horse. They certainly can’t maintain that it will be a credible interfaith community center with the overwhelming negative reaction to it. By continuing to push for this location they validate real intent.
Israel will be attacked, severely and probably soon (unless she strikes first). If the Islamists destroy Israel ‘successfully’…guess who will be next…?
Once the Islamists have fully infiltrated the USA (and, they are working on that fervently) from the ‘inside’…the “Great Satan” will be attacked in a way that will make 9/11 look like a small ‘quake’ of ‘terror’ in the big scheme of things.
I truly fear for us all, Bear.
Call me crazy but I’ve had nightmares since before 911 that are vivid and very very real, all pointing at 2011 as the year the crap hits the fan. My gut has been right about alot of things, I hope this isn’t one of them.
Bear, do you ever get the unsettling feeling that most of the people around you have their eyes wide shut?
It’s scary. I have nightmares too. Bad ones.
I hope we are both wrong. I’d rather be proven to be a full on loon than be right about some of the things I envision.
Here’s a sampler of the arguments which the Left has marshaled against their enemies since the Great Unifier strapped into his high chair:
Astroturfer!
Nazi!
Homophobe!
Islamophobe!
Racist!
Fascist!
Bigot!
Retard!
Red Neck!
Typical White!
Loser!
… These ‘arguments’ often come in a unified torrent across the Leftist spectrum, almost as if coordinated by some kind of sinister Leftist cabal, or Soros funded ‘thonktank’. But that would be paranoid, wouldnt it?!?
Still, Nancy will say it, followed by Garrafolo, followed by Bill Maher, followed by Reid, followed by Obama, followed by the Black Caucus, followed by the Muslims, followed by David Gregory, followed by Jimmah Cottah, followed by Hollywood fill-in-the-blank, followed by NYT fill-in-the-blank, followed by MSNBC fill-in-the-blank, followed by, well, fill-in-the-blank…
Odd, isn’t it!?
you forgot ‘Teabagger’
No “thonktank” here (like that phrase though, I’ll definitely reuse it when referring to the CFR or Brookings and such). Just a well informed American that has seen plenty of government corruption and catastrophe worldwide. The commpent I gave to Gloria in Comment 31 explains why.
Your comment is another example of clear and unambiguous hate speech and racism. It is disappointing that Pajama Media moderators allow this level of a comment.
Extremist religious ideology exists in many religions. Please read the reply I gave to Gloria in comment 31.
My apologies, that last comment was meant for another post.
This is the trouble with having “intellectuals” calling the shots. Their world is funneled down to a 2-dimensional chalkboard where emotions and unforeseen circumstances do not exist. Hence the aloofness and the eagerness to lecture on the first amendment when there is absolutely no constitutional angle here whatsoever. They have the right to build the mosque and we have the right to be insulted by it and to voice it. We understand the first amendment with crystal clarity, thank you very much. We don’t need to be told how to think by people who are emotionally distant from 9/11. People who are so afraid of confrontation that insults bounce off them unrecognized. People so scared of conflict that they allow themselves to believe America was an “accomplice” to 9/11. We know what we saw that day and we recognize a stick in the eye 9 years later when we see one (as do many American Muslims who did, to their credit, speak out against the mosque).
This country is on the precipice of a very slippery slope. Vote November 2.
“THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.”
- Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984), on the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power
#17 Jason S said “We don’t need to be told how to think by people who are emotionally distant from 9/11…”
Not only “emotionally distant” … We don’t need any lectures on the finer points of constitutional law, secular law, humanism, or American culture from the Muslims (of all people!!!). They hail from the most festering sores and barbaric sewers of human degradation on earth. Their pointy fingered harangues on tolerance and freedom of religion are exhibitions of profound insanity, profound obscenities, profound perversions.
not to mention hypocritical
Peter Beinart called Chris May a bigot, when they were discussing the GZM, on CNN.
Then again, I think that people should embrace the term bigot. Discrimination against evil, behaviors that lead to failure, human rights abusers, Muslim Supremacists, etc is GOOD.
We need more bigotry, not less.
This is the old lib name-calling game. Because you do not agree with me, you are dumb/evil/backward/bigoted/racist/knuckle-dragging/evil/extremist what have you.
But Beinart claims those opposed are all declaring “war on Islam.” — Ron Radosh
Its the old McCarthyist charge. Digging into the backround of the ideology of individuals promoting and funding these projects, is a witch hunt. Reds under the Bed.
Of course, Joe McCarthy was right, their were Communists and security risks in the State Department. And other anti Communists were correct, their were sympathies for Communists widespread in Leftwing organizations, and many a Front Group. (See long list of Muslim Brotherhood organizations/Front Groups.
Nothing new here. Standard Leftwing slander and obfuscation.
One thing I would like to get rid of, from our side of the argument (that would be anti-mosque) is the comparison of a Shinto shrine at Pearl Harbor. Ten years after Pearl Harbor, the Japanese were signing the Treaty of San Francisco and paying out twenty-five billion dollars in reparations. They were retooling their society to fit in with the west, which they have done quite nicely. Yes, the Japanese did some bad things, and they are officially apologetic for it.
No such repentance exists on the part of Islam. Feisal Rauf blames the United State for terrorism and suggests we apologize to Muslims, saying the US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims. He suggests Dresden and Hiroshima were invalid Military targets bombed by “Christians”. He refuses to acknowledge Hamas as a terrorist organization. He has blamed the United States for Bin Laden, even though we helped the Mujahedeen repel Soviet aggression (brought about by the failure of Muslims and Communists to get along after subverting the moderate Afghan government no less).
Bin Laden’s big beef was that we had bases in the Kingdom. We had them there while we repelled Saddam Hussein from Muslim Kuwait. We bombed Serbian Christians to protect Kossavar Muslims, but the fact that we give aid to both Israel and Egypt (and their ‘Palestinian’ proxies) still makes us Zionist sympathizes because we don’t offer to wipe Israel off the map to make them happy. With Islam its their way, or the highway. This quote-unquote Mosque is just another way of probing the west, to see if it will continue to capitulate. And boy, do we have some self hating Jews, if these metropolitan practitioners of ritualistic Judaism can even really be called Jews, who are willing to bend over and grab their ankles.
THE DECONSTRUCTION OF IMAM RAUF
Beinart is wrong to limit anti-mosque fury to right wingers. Fury over construction of the mosque is national and bipartisan. Polls show that 80% Reps and 54% Dems oppose its construction at the sensitive Ground Zero site (Park 51 was damaged by debris from the Atta hijacked plane). By battling infidel America to the bitter end over building the mosque Imam Rauf is aiming at winning glory for himself in the Moslem world at the expense of his image as a moderate here at home-which proves how radical and anti-American he is.
For clarity on the issue of Rauf’s “moderate” Islam google ApolloSpeaks (one word) at Townhall.com and read my short piece: The Deconstruction of Imam Rauf: A Guide for the Perplexed.
I read your blog at apollospeaks.townhall.com. Unfortunately, extremists and religious superiority ideology exists in many religions. There are moderates and extremists in all religions. Some Christians and Jews preach that Jews are superior and God’s chosen people. Some even call for the end of Islam. Please read the reply I gave to Gloria in comment 31.
In a way I wish people would ignore a weenie like Peter Breinert. Everything written about him only puts in him in higher profile in the ultra left wing salons where his kind twirl in shallow, preening self-regard and congratulate one another on the originality and virulence of their anti-Americanism.
Sometimes you have to shine the light on the cockroaches so that the other cockroaches get the ‘message’ and scurry.
Banjo- This is not about anti-Americanism. Please read the reply as I gave to Comment 31. Gloria.
Or as Nancy Pelosi suggests we should investigate Joe McCarthy instead!
Pelosi: Gov’t should probe people opposed to Ground Zero mosque
Yet they refuse to investigate where the funding for this mosque is coming from, and I think that’s a bigger threat than where the non-existant funding to oppose the mosque is coming from.
13. Francis W. Porretto “Yet another leftist strawman. … Leftists cannot win an argument on the merits. They must recur to ad hominems….”
Delia: “Bravo!”
Delia: “Sometimes you have to shine the light on the cockroaches so that the other cockroaches get the ‘message’ and scurry.”
You can’t make this stuff up!
I take it you don’t know what a ‘metaphor’ is, Joey?
Aha! Now I get it: the left resorts to ad hominem attacks; the right resorts to metaphors.
Dude, that was hella funny!
Five questions for Peter Beinert on Freedom of Religion;
Did you support the erection of the Teaneck Eruv?
Do Jews have a right to maintain a Yeshivah and Synagogue at Joseph’s tomb in Nablus?
How about at Deir Yassin?
Is the town of Hampton’s denial of a building permit to the local Orthodox Synagogue a violation of its right to Freedom of Religion?
Do Americam serviceman serving in Saudi Arabia have the right to wear a Star of David in public?
Beinert is the type of Hellenized Jew in Temple times who underwent surgical procedures to conceal their circumcision, and I don’t mean only symbolically.
BigBen- Same reply as I gave to Comment 31. Gloria.
Opposition to the mosque at Ground Zero has nothing to do with religion. This statement is proven by the fact that shortly after the building was purchased in July 2009 Iman Rauf instituted a mosque on the first floor of 45-51 Park Place. According to Daisy Khan this mosque serves 450 muslims every Friday.
If the problem was the Islamic religion than we would have seen protests outside the building for the past year. As it stands, few people even know it’s there. And if the opposition was opposed to the religion you would have heard about it.
The problem is not the religion, the problem is a 15 floor Islamic Center with a mosque on the top symbolizing victory. Apparently, there’s no problem with a ground floor mosque, even 2 blocks from the Twin Towers, because it already exists. The problem is and will remain a triumphal mosque at Ground Zero.
Too bad Bloomberg, Beinert, and other mosque supporters are too dense to see that and unable to make the distinction between freedom of religion and in-your-face provocation.
Gloria- A triumphal mosque at Ground Zero? Are you kidding me. When was that proclamation made?
Religious cultural centers or places of worship are not provocative in the US. The US offers freedom of religion as long as it does not infringe on one’s liberty of government. What liberty or government impact is this religious project affecting?
Islamophobic rhetoric is at an all time high. This is about pure racism or anti-Islamism.
Using race or religion to judge Arabs, Muslims or anyone else based on the murderous acts committed by a small percentage of people is absolutely wrong.
Since the fall of the Soviet Union, “Terrorism” has replaced McCarthyism. Hate begets hate. Many American Jews suffered under McCarthyism.
The human race keeps repeating the same mistakes of the past.
Don’t let the psychopaths haphazardly and wastefully continue wars that build their businesses and indiscriminately murder innocent and helpless people who haven’t had an opportunity to experience compassion or receive a decent education, nourishment or health and welfare for centuries.
Please read Harrison Koehli’s article “Ponerology 104: The Truth Behind the War on Terror” published last month on SOTT.NET. You will not be disappointed.
Here’s the link
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212715-Ponerology-104-The-Truth-Behind-the-War-on-Terror
Beinart looks just like a guy who was dressed in fatigues who said “it’s not that easy taking over a country” after the first few days of the Iraq war. The young man was supposedly a soldier critisizing the US military for its supposedly slow progress in taking over Iraq (three days out). I saw Beinart’s picture and thought, that’s the same guy!
Someone with some resources should look it up.
As I saw on another post today “In football they call it taunting”
Taunting and provocatively shoving the middle east finger right in our faces.
its hard to see the hullaballoo here when its an everyday occurrence to deny building permits to churches and synagogues due to ‘traffic’ and various zoning issues. the real problem is that our politicians were blind to this clear issue.
I don’t think anyone was being blind.
Why?
Barrack Hussein 0bama
Dreams of my Father EARLY ‘biography’ book and his statement “I will side with Muslims” √
Growing up with Muslim fathers and schooled as a Muslim in a Madrassa √
Bowing and scraping to Saudis? √
Asking NASA to out to Muslims √
Making crap up out of whole cloth about Muslim ‘inventions’ and Muslim ‘history’ √
Naming daughters ‘Commie’ names √
One of his mentors was a home-grown terrorist known as Bill Ayers √
Not being able to even pronounce English words from a teleprompter (‘corpse men’ and ‘Orion’) √
Mentioning his “Muslim Faith” by accident and then being corrected that he is a supposed “Christian” when interviewed by ABC’s George Stephanopoulos during his campaign √
Etc. etc. ad nauseum
See a pattern here?
*cough-cough*
Typo correction:
Asking NASA to reach out to Muslims √
make that …RETCH out…
please recall the outrage the 9/11 families felt and expressed when any of the wtc building proposals infringed on the sacred footprints. that’s why almost 10 years later there are still no completed buildings on the site. certainly Mayor Bloomberg has had a front row seat for that. and although he’s not shy about telling us what to eat or smoke or where we can drive, he thinks of the proposed mosque as simply a first amendment freedom issue. likewise President Obama who is trying to restrict freedom of speech on the internet and on talk radio sees this as a freedom of religion issue even though there are already several mosques in the area.
Religion = Spirituality + Piety + Worship + Morality
Islam = All the above + secular control of the people and the nation via Sharia, and a mighty push towards world control via Jihad.
If it were only a simple religion all would be well!
manning- a mighty push towards world control via Jihad? Not all Muslims, in fact, only a small minority spout such extremist ideology. Unfortunately, there are extremist members within most religions, and these extremists have committed terrorist activities when it suits their needs as well. This is not a one sided problem.
Federal, State and Local governments in the US impose all kinds of restrictions on citizens, businesses (and even on religious organizations) that are easily seen as unconstitutional. Such actual or regulatory taking of freedoms and private property rights is “essential for the common good” they always claim – but lately it seems to be all about ideology, power and control.
Now all of a sudden the Constitution really matters to these people? I wish that the current regime and all of its ardent supporters would have such reverence for it when it comes to the 200,000 + pages of new regulations that they have dreamed up since they came to power.
As for this matter, the City Council should create a board to review any permit application that is within a certain radius of ground zero. The wishes of the surviving family members ought to be the primary input to the decision process. If that group deems something disrespectful, then no other justification would be required to deny it. This would be a lot less arbitrary and less in violation of the Constitution than the myriad of zoning restrictions and crazy redevelopment schemes that cities impose on people and businesses every day everywhere.
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I agree, this is not a “war on Islam”. It is about mutual respect, liberty and justice. If someone were building a Christian, Jewish, Buddhist or other denominational place of worship in or near ground zero NYC, no one would even be talking about it. If Timothy Mcveigh was a Christian, family members of his Muslim victims wouldn’t stand a chance of forcing Christians to build a place of worship away from ground zero in Oklahoma City. What is an acceptable distance? Islamophobic rhetoric is at an all time high. Using race and religion to judge Arabs, Muslims or any other race or religion based on murderous acts committed by a small majority of that race or religion is absolutely wrong. Israel, the US, the UK, Turkey, Russia, China and other aggressive nations have committed heinous acts of war, crime, murder and terrorism in the past decade alone. The military industrial complex is in charge, and without an enemy, their business suffers. So Arab and Muslim terrorists have become their new target. Terrorism is the new McCarthyism. Hate begets hate. Be careful, you are repeating the mistakes of the past. Many Jews suffered under McCarthyism. Don’t let the psychopaths blindly lead you to war and continue building their businesses while killing innocent and helpless people. http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212715-Ponerology-104-The-Truth-Behind-the-War-on-Terror
Sorry, manboy Beinart, but the law is very clear – denying its location does not prevent any faith from worshipping. It has absolutely no obligation to allow the mosque to build wherever it pleases. Just as a strip club would not be permitted next to an elementary school, the mosque can be denied as being purely inappropriate. The mosque is akin to building a KKK headquarters next to a Birmingham Baptist church
Tyler520- Comparing the Muslim religion to a racist organization like the KKK is highly disrespectful. and is clear and unambiguous hate speech and racism. It is disappointing that the Pajama Media moderator allowed this level of a comment.
You know what is even more disturbing.
That Islam, the ideology of 1.5 billion people on this planet with control of 1/6th of the land mass…..is filled with clear and unambiguous hate speech and Muslim supremacism and subjugation of “the Other” and oppression of women and minorities.
EscapeVelocity- Most all religions have clear and unambiguous hate speech supremacism and subjugation in their scriptures. And as for the oppression of women. Only in very recent times have women in developed and western civilizations been relieved of extreme oppression.
Obviously current Muslim practices are too “extreme” for most developed and western cultures today. But they would have been much more acceptable in the past. Although the styles of oppression were not the same, Islamic world subjection is a result of their societies being over three centuries behind western civilizations in literary and economic development.
I found Beinart to be quite measured during the GW Bush years and thought he was a liberal-hawk. He seemed to yearn for the years of the vital center when Americans on both sides of the political spectrum were willing to fight against a common enemy—global communism. In the contemporary context the common enemy is radical Islam.
If left and right remain divided there is no way we will win the war. We will only win if we recognize that the terrorists don’t care if you are liberal or conservative, they only care that you are American. For that, they want you dead.
I’m not sure what led Beinart to change politically. He seems to be moving further to the left every week. However, I am prone to taking a cynical position similar to Radosh, i.e. Beinart’s shift is all about selling his book.
Rik #25, I have great respect and admiration for the Japanese people and culture, but I don’t think it is quite accurate that they “did some bad things, and they are officially apologetic for it.” They committed massacres on a large-scale that they remain defiant about. Nanking comes to mind.
Scott, that article you linked to (twice) is far from insightful, it simply repackages old conspiracy theories. I do not disagree that radical Islam has replaced global communism as the primary threat facing this country. However, I disagree with the idea that both struggles were/are some sort of ruse to allow shadowy elites to take and/or consolidate control over the U.S.
I don’t see what the problem is;Beinart is just taking his cue from George “Islam is a religion of peace.”Bush.Let a thousand mosques be built,and let the resident imans preach peace, love,and tolerance,while supporting terror; the globalist plutocracy,and its useful idiot shills, like Beinart and Bush will cheer them on.