The Blogosphere, the Media and the Truth: Can we Get It from Fox News or MSNBC?
It was one of those ironies that the new issue of The Atlantic, which features the brilliant article “The Story Behind the Story” by Mark Bowden, arrives just after ACORN, Van Jones, and Yossi Sergant were brought down by bloggers, young conservative activists and talk-show hosts on Fox News. What Bowden deals with is the amazing debate that took place during the period that Judge Sonia Sotomayor was preparing for her Senate hearings prior to her Supreme Court confirmation.
We all recall watching on virtually every news station — not only cable but the MSM key outlets — her remarks at a Duke University panel in 2005 and a speech at Berkeley Law School in 2001, at which the then Circuit Court judge said that her identity as a “Latina woman” made her judgment superior to that of a “white male.” At the Duke panel she seemed to say that appellate judges make policy, and then followed that with these words: “I know this is on tape and I should never say that, because we don’t make law, I know,” at which her law school audience all laughed.
It was these remarks that led many conservatives to oppose her and caused many to argue that Sotomayor was not going to be the moderate she claimed to be. How did these videos get to the stations immediately after it was announced that Obama picked her as his choice? The answer is that it came not from scores of network or news reporters combing through files, but from one conservative blogger in particular. He is Morgan Richmond, a man who runs a computer consulting business and blogs during his spare time as a hobby at the relatively unknown website VerumSerum.com, which he runs with a Christian conservative, John Sexton. His goal was, Bowden writes, “to develop original stories that attract attention” and would resonate, not to damage the candidate.
Usually his website gets 30 readers a day. Yet what he uncovered, after going through long tedious tapes of the judge speaking at the two law schools, would soon be known in almost every American household, at least those who watch at least one news program. Every news program ran his tapes and never verified their accuracy, or checked to see if Sotomayor’s remarks were made in context. Nor did they cite the source of the videos, thereby, as Bowden says, “abdicating its responsibility to do its own reporting.” Thus, he writes, “several hours of Internet snooping by Richmond at his upstairs computer wound up shaping the public’s perception of Sonia Sotomayor.”
Critics portrayed her as a racist and liberal activist, which Bowden, and even Richmond, now acknowledge was not accurate. Richmond told him: “She’s really fairly moderate, compared to some of the other candidates on Obama’s list … she really wasn’t all that bad.”
Bowden says in conclusion that we now live in a “post-journalistic” world, in which our democracy is in a constant political battleground. Bloggers exist to help one side or the other, which leads to what Bowden sees as “distortions and inaccuracies, lapses of judgment, the absence of context,” which do not bother the bloggers, since they are simply ammunition for their own chosen side. Truth is simply what comes out of whoever wins a particular battle — it is winning that is key, not who is right. This, Bowden argues, is not journalism.
What he despairs is the result that we have more propaganda, and not news, with no room for compromise. Hence he asks a key question: “Isn’t there, in fact middle ground in most public disputes?” Can’t one weigh public good against factional goals? Can’t we decide the public interest in other than through a “partisan lens,” in which “politics becomes blood sport”?
Here is Bowden’s key paragraph:
Television loves this, because it is dramatic. Confrontation is all. And given the fragmentation of news on the Internet and on cable television, Americans increasingly choose to listen only to their own side of the argument, to bloggers and commentators who reinforce their convictions and paint the world only in acceptable, comfortable colors. Bloggers like Richmond and Sexton, and TV hosts like Hannity, preach only to the choir. Consumers of such “news” become all the more entrenched in their prejudices, and ever more hostile to those who disagree. The other side is no longer the honorable opposition, maybe partly right; but rather always wrong, stupid, criminal, even downright evil. … In a post-journalistic society, there is no disinterested voice. There are only the winning side and the losing side.
What he would love to see restored (and he doubts that it can ever take place) is what he calls “honest, disinterested reporting over advocacy.” Rather than shaking preconceptions, the new post-journalists reinforce prejudices, writing or reporting to gain a victory for either the conservative or left-liberal side. He favors those who aspire “to persuade” and are seen as fair-minded and trustworthy by those “who are inclined to disagree with him.” Bowden is firm: no liberal or conservative, he thinks, can have the “disinterested voice of a true journalist.”
I guess that leaves only Mark Bowden, who must be one of the few without predilections or strongly held views. Is he right in his well-argued essay?
Let us examine a few recent developments. First, the resignation of Van Jones. The expose of Jones’s background and previous life as a far-left revolutionary was exposed by a blogger who writes under the name Gateway Pundit. Material about Jones was made available at David Horowitz’s website DiscoverTheNetworks.com. The material was relevant to the public’s right to know whether such a man should have ever been appointed to a White House position. The blogs were completely ignored, until Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck took up the case and nightly aired segments about him. But it was not until he resigned that readers of the “paper of record,” the New York Times, ever heard one word about him. Clearly, liberal editors and reporters, knowing that conservatives were responsible for digging up the easily found data about Jones, thought it could be ignored. That decision further inflamed Fox’s viewers, whose protests and ruckus forced the administration to ditch him.
Had they done their job, the placing of Fox News alone as the only media outlet concerned about Jones might not have taken place. I think Bowden neglects the fact that regular reporters were not interested; nor were their editors. Indeed, they probably decided to not look into it when they found out where the sources about Jones came from. It was a decision that seriously hurt their own credibility. At that point, the Jones case became a battle between Fox News and MSNBC; i.e., Beck and Hannity versus Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow. We were at the point described by Bowden in his article.
A similar thing took place with ACORN. As we now know, the recent actions to defund them by Congress and for the IRS and Census Bureau to break their contracts with the group came after the independent videos made by the now famous duo of Hannah Giles and James O’Keefe were put up at Andrew Breitbart’s Big Government website. After the Fox News regulars aired them repeatedly, they became major news — and eventually, one knew it was over for ACORN once Jon Stewart and Jay Leno both ran biting sequences ridiculing the community organizing activist group.
How one feels about this depends on what network one watches. If you watched Rachel Maddow Thursday night, she ran a lengthy sequence defending ACORN as a victim of a fierce right-wing conspiracy out to destroy them. If you regularly watch Beck or Hannity, you can easily find scores of times they ran the videos and ran features condemning the group. It’s practically every night. As they see it, the group gets federal funds to carry out illegal voter registration meant to increase the Democratic rolls from registering the poor. They concentrate on that element alone, and on the irresponsible action of the ACORN employees caught on the videos. They do not go into the more complex charges made by others — of such things as ACORN’s possible illegal lobbying (discussed here), its supposed shell-game with money (discussed here), and its shakedown of banks and its contribution to the mortgage crisis (discussed by Sol Stern here).
It’s, as Bowden says, charge and counter-charge — ACORN is either a blameless, innocent victim of a right-wing that does not care about the issue of income inequality or a vicious and corrupt group that stops at nothing to manipulate the poor on behalf of its own radical agenda. There is no in-between. It’s Fox News vs. MSNBC; one is right, the other wrong.
How does one sort out the truth? Clearly, the charges made by Republican senators in reports and by defenders of ACORN like Peter Dreier have to be examined closely and carefully. Is there any truth to the charges either side makes? If one listens simply to the TV talking heads, no one will know what is true or what is false. You watch the side you already agree with, and take the argument of those who you listen to in order to reinforce the opinion you already have. Right now ACORN is on the defensive, and if it loses as seems to be the case, no one will care about further examination of the facts.
So what do journalists do? One fair comment comes from the liberal journalist Wendy Kaminer, writing at The Atlantic website. Partisans, she writes, say that “your political enemies engage in criminal or morally repugnant acts; your allies, friends, and relations make mistakes or bend the rules for the greater good.” One might expect Kaminer to do the usual — defend ACORN uncritically. Instead (and I suspect being on the magazine’s staff, she read Bowden’s article), she boldly states:
“Activists, advocacy groups, politicians, and pundits, left and right, display equivalent moral hypocrisy when rationalizing illegal or unethical conduct by some of their own. It’s the hypocrisy bred by the self-righteousness of people convinced that they’re on the side of the angels, that their commitment to the right cause makes them incapable of doing wrong. It’s the hypocrisy that led the ACLU national board to trivialize, misrepresent, or conceal serious misconduct by its staff and lay leaders. … It’s the hypocrisy that has consistently characterized the “progressive” response to recent and still unfolding ACORN scandals. By ignoring, minimizing, or rationalizing grossly unethical and even criminal conduct, ACORN’s left-wing friends have harmed it more than its right wing enemies ever could.
With chapter and verse, Kaminer continues to plow “the depth of ACORN’s dishonesty and dysfunction.” That includes, she writes, that “ACORN’s leadership seemed to persist in concealing misconduct instead of acknowledging and correcting it.” They have done this repeatedly in the past, Kaminer says, and today its apologists continue to trivialize its offenses. Like any other interest group with dishonest leadership, she concludes, it is interested in rationalizing and explaining away its possibly criminal and evil acts, because its leaders think it is done for the purpose of serving the poor and the “progressive” community. Will people on the left, to which Kaminer is sympathetic, listen to her? Or will they consign her also to being part of the vast right-wing conspiracy?
So is there any media source one can listen to on TV that is not part of the either-or mindset? Fortunately, if you get up early, there is Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe each day 6-9 am East Coast Time. He and his guests of different persuasions discuss things rationally, without screaming at each other, and in a mature and serious way. They have the kind of conversations you would have yourself with friends, probing those you disagree with and trying to reach them with arguments. It doesn’t always succeed, but it is a refreshing change to watch after spending an evening with Beck, O’Reilly, Hannity or Olbermann and Maddow — or a radio interlude with Rush Limbaugh. I wonder if Mark Bowden agrees?






“…other than through a “partisan lens,” in which “politics becomes blood sport?”
There is no such thing as an objective and above the fray journalist. Human beings are not made that way. You can only demand that someone is honest with the facts they present to the world. Their opinions are of secondary importance. Do you agree, for instance, with Glenn Beck’s opinions? The heck with that. Does he have his facts straight? We can deal with everything else after this is firmly established.
TV commentary seems to be affected by the argument culture, the resurgence of the “identity politics” party, the effectiveness of negative politics from Lee Atwater to present day, and an appetite for drama–real or manufactured. Journalists have had to “take sides” to ensure having access to the party(ies) in power.
All of these are reason enough for me to look for my own sources of news and I scan several websites daily. I still want to make up my own mind and decide for myself. I live close enough to Canada that I can watch their news on CBC and I watch the BBC as well. There is a place for advocacy, argument, and drama, I prefer to receive information differently.
“disinterested voice of a true journalist.”
BS. Never ever been such. TRUE BELIEVERS of either stripe should be ignored, and it’s the reader/viewer’s responsibility (had our teachers given them the critical thinking needed to exercise it).
Facts are facts, and lies are lies. The political/economic juncture we are in requires a clear understanding of which are which, NOT “on the one hand . . . but on the other hand” crap.
The appearance of even-handedness is just that. An appearance. Firm statement of facts and absolutes (YES, Virginia, absolutes DO exist) need to be stated firmly, not pretend journalized.
As long as journalists enter J-school with the intention of “changing the world”, balance and objectivity is not going to happen. The best we can hope for is what’s going on now, which is separate markets for differing ideologies.
This may have a lot to do with the polarization of politics and society, but I just don’t see a mechanism by which this can change. This polarization is a direct consequence of narcissistic activist journalists.
In the early days, Beck’s rival radio host’s wife had a miscarriage. Beck called her live on the air and said, “We hear you had a miscarriage,” remembers Brad Miller, a former Y95 DJ and Clear Channel programmer. ‘When she said, “Yes,” Beck proceeded to joke about how Bruce [the rival DJ] apparently can’t do anything right — about he can’t even have a baby.’ ”
Patriot. Hero. Pro life. Documented borderline schizophrenic. And you get your truth from this bozo? Pathetic.
How one feels about this depends on what network one watches. If you watched Rachel Maddow Thursday night, she ran a lengthy sequence defending ACORN as a victim of a fierce right-wing conspiracy out to destroy them. If you regularly watch Beck or Hannity, you can easily find scores of times they ran the videos and ran features condemning the group.
In fact, my long held ACORN vibe is independent of tee vee watching & is based on longstanding stories of ACORN armtwisting of financial institutions and the like to make inroads into (and ultimately substantially weaken) lending markets.
Or something along Thomas Sowell’s observations that community organizers don’t organize communities but, rather, play upon and exaggerate frustrations and resentments within communities, essentially, agitate, not with the primary goal of helping those individuals but, rather, for stirring them up for purposes of effecting a political agenda.
(along these lines, see also Rev. JWright & Black Liberation Theology)
I might also reflect on the 10 or 12 states heavily targeted by ACORN during the past election cycle and “the vote” in those states and some of the questionable shenanigans involving voter registration practices. (ACORN is currently being investigated in how many states ? How many goldfish voted ?)
Or my disgust at Barack Obama’s attempts on the TV Circuit last Sunday to diminish the importance of ACORN’s latest series of débacles, he who flourished in their bosom, he whom I see as an extension of their causes, he who promised their inclusion in the re-making of how America looks, he whose primary campaign gave ACORN $800,000…
Admittedly, I have drawn knowledge of the structural/operational organization of ACORN/Apollo Alliance etc. from tee vee, my take on this stuff precedes that information.
As for Sotomayor, yes, I was shocked at her videotaped statements relative to the wise latina etc. and especially by her remarks on the role of courts, especially given that so many (circuit court judges in particular) seem to think making law is their job.
Other than all that stuff, I thought her decision in the Ricci/New Haven case smacked of prejudice, despite the convoluted complexities of civil rights legislation she cited in defense of her decision.
I read all about the firefighter test, how the test itself was written and consciously designed to address issues specific to firefighting and avoid bias, and I was appalled that Sotomayor and the other judges ruled as they did.
If the SCOTUS hadn’t overturned in June, I was going to have to swim to Cuba to look for a just society.
You know as well as anyone Mr. Rodash, that its the Left, particularly since the 60s that politicized everything, the personal is the political. They horned in on the media and turned it into a weapon. The reaction in self defense came about with the expansion of bandwidth that made it possible, or in the 80s, lone voices on AM radio crying out in the wilderness.
This zeitgeist was completely created by the Left. I you want it to stop, destroy the Left.
Otherwise, as with WW2, if you dont want to be defeated yourself, then pick up a rifle the Nazis and Japanese arent a waitin.
There is a place for advocacy, argument, and drama, I prefer to receive information differently. — LeighB
And if you think the BBC and CBC arent heavily biased then enjoy your fantasyland.
BTW:
Officials said Sparkman’s body was found with his Census Bureau identification card taped to his head. An AP report added that he was “naked, gagged and had his hands and feet bound with duct tape.”
The work of Beckian patriots. And just so you know who he was:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ibztwYchb_H9-qWceFM3j3cfNKvQD9AV383G0
Now, about that revolution you’re so enamored with . . . and keep threatening.
“The facts, M’am, just the facts” as Joe Friday used to say are long since thrown under the bus. They won’t be back at least not in the print media or TV. Ever since Walter Cronkite said “and thats the way is was” and it wasn’t we’ve been on our own to find the facts for ourselves and judge for ourselves. The sooner we all get better at it the better we’ll all be. Until then we get to watch the MSM slowly commit suicide and hear how divided our country is from the very people who brought it to us!
This was a fine commentary until the last paragraph. “Morning Joe” is MSNBC’s lame attempt at being ‘fair and balanced’. PUH-LEEZE!!! Biggest moment of suspense is to see who is on the cover of TIME magazine every Thursday morning to see if it is not going to be Dear Leader again (for the umteenth time). Uber nanny-state lefty Mika actually admitted this very week that she chastised kids at a fast food restaurant for buying ‘junk’ food! Willy is a complete waste of time and has his own useless program now. Barnacle just can’t understand why people won’t drink the Kool Aid. And, finally, Joe ‘the Rino’ Scarborough keeps bashing the Republicans for not being more bipartisan when the Democrats ditched that sentiment decades ago.
LeighB: CBC is a remarkably left-wing institution, kinda like PBS on steroids but without the occasional good programming. Little Mosque on the Prairie for instance. It a purveyor of moral equivalence and promulgator of political correctness. As an American, you’ll see a different slant, the so-called “Canadian angle” but it sure won’t be truth. It’s an entire network of Rachel Maddows. And the BBC? The “Beeb”? It’s even worse not to mention it being a nest of anti-semites! All of that said, I agree with you when it comes to checking several sources and making up your own mind.
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What’s going on in this day and age is an battle for your personal liberty, your freedom to live your life as you choose, undirected by the State. It’s a fight to, on “our side”, to protect the precious ideals–life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness–on which your great country was founded against those who would destroy them. And this is not a job for agnostics; a side must be taken: either you are for those ideals or you are against them. Simple as that.
This war has been raging for almost 100 years, unnoticed by most, because the left had previously enjoyed a lock on the sources of information. With their stranglehold on the information stream, the left’s battle was conducted in code, hidden in plain sight, as it were, via the subtle manipulations of the viewing (and reading) public. An example: the transmogrification of the word “liberal” in political context from its original meaning of being for “liberty from onerous government” to its manifestation of being for “liberty from personal responsibility” (ie: being for maximum government). Or, my personal pet peeve, how the colour red (as in communists, “Red Square”, the “Red Army”, “Red China”) has come to be associated with conservatives, while blue, the colour traditionally (and universally) associated with conservatives has gone become the colour of the collectivists! The aim of which was to precondition the public, to soften them up to the ideas of socialism and the acceptance of Big Government. And it worked marvelously for the evidence surrounds us.
This, of course, has changed with the dawn of the “information age” and the blossoming of alternative media, with pajamasmedia being a terrific example of such. The most astonishing thing, to me, was how the statists in the media unmasked themselves during the previous election season. They so openly showed their bias and their perfidy, first with the “inevitable” Hillary while savaging all conservative candiates, later with their promotion of Obama against the inevitable one going so far as to cover up Obama’s campaign skullduggery (eg: caucus mischief) while savaging Clinton supporters (eg: Geraldine Ferrarro), later still with their outright propagandizing for Obama going so far as to hide is factual errors, his background, his personal connections and leaving unexamined his meteoric rise while savaging Sarah Palin. The icing on the cake was how CNN designed their election coverage graphics to mimic the famous Obama poster. It showed, without doubt, that the network was in the bag, certified water carriers for the ultimate statist, Barak Obama.
Unfortunately, the alternative voice was unable to reach enough of the slumbering masses, unaccustomed as they were to the notion of a biased information stream. “That’s just politics!” “I’m not into politics.” “This doesn’t effect me.” “Those politicians are all the same.” This was the desired outcome of the covert war waged by the undercover leftist media.
Now Americans are waking up, they are coming to the realization that their very way of life is being threatened, that the foundations of their great Republic is crumbling under the sustained barrage of anti-liberty ideas and policies launched by the no-longer covert collectivist ideologues formerly known as reporters. And, by all evidence, from the TEA Parties to the 9/12 protest in Washington (ignored or downplayed by the media), Americans are pissed about it. They’re pissed about the media’s role. Rightly so.
Final thought: “There can be no compromise on basic principles or on fundamental issues.” (Ayn Rand, The Virtue of Selfishness, p. 80.)
(My apologies for the long rant. What is happening to America saddens me greatly, even though I am a Canadian, for America is the last, best hope for a world of freedom from the tyranny of mob rule, and I do not wish to see her destroyed.)
It’s a fallacy beloved of squishes that the truth on any issue can be found halfway between the two extremes. Sometimes, one side is wrong, the other is right and there’s nothing to be found in the middle but a confused mush.
“First, the resignation of Van Jones. The expose of Jones’s background and previous life as a far-left revolutionary…”
Here’s where Mr. Radosh lost me. After listening and reading about Van Jones before, during and after his appointment I have concluded that there is no “previous life as a far-left revolutionary.” He is to this day a person who would like to destroy the republic and he does not hesitate to say it or to blame whites for all the ills of any other race. For an article that wants to expose bias, it falls short of its mark. I read and listen and make up my own mind.
Amen, Chris in Toronto, #11
You must be lonely (philosophically speaking) in Toronto.
I thought something in the drinking water up there precluded such insights
Amen to Chris #11 & tanstaafl #13!!
Just for the record, I am not slumbering & I will NOT go down without a fight!
Yes, S. Weasel. Either 1+1=2 or it does not. The correct answer is not a negotiated approximation. And while yes, not all social conflicts are so clear cut, many of the constituent facts upon which they are based ARE. And as such, are NOT open to either interpretation or of being purposefully ignored–as if such failure to acknowledge certain facts is of no moment.
“In the early days, Beck’s rival radio host’s wife had a miscarriage.”
I am unaware of this story—but it may very well be true! Glenn Beck is a recovering alcoholic and candidly admits to being something of a scumbag during that time period. It is my understanding that he hasn’t had a drink in the last ten years.
Ron, I think you miss one possible point here. This polarization may have ALWAYS existed. In fact, I’d guess you can remove the “may.” It did. The Internet, however, with its rampant ideologues on both sides, is responsible for its exposure. Things have actually improved. Remember the days of Walter Duranty and the New York Times ignoring the Holocaust? I don’t think that could happen now. Sure there are myriad excesses. But as a former Maoist, I would say – Let a hundred flowers bloom!
Regardless of how fervently we may wish of it, scientific rigor does not apply to politics. Science is already messy in the first place, because it’s always unfinished business: There are always competing theories waiting to be arbitrated by facts which have not been obtained, yet. Once in a while, you get lucky, and enough facts are obtained to decide which theory was right. That would be messy enough, but once in an even bigger while, a previously unknown fact invalidates a theory which had been adopted before, on the basis of earlier factual discoveries. If it was not like this, scientists would get bored, and nobody would ever want to become a scientist.
But Politics is fundamentally different, because it’s not driven by a quest for the truth, elusive as it is, it’s driven by a quest for power, which is arguably even more elusive: If it was not so, historians would also fall in the trappings of boredom, and nobody would ever want to become a historian, either.
The work of the journalist is part scientist and part historian, at least short term historian. But scientists do not have a deadline for the discovery of whatever new tokens of truth they are lucky to uncover. Discovery happens when it does, not under the constraint of a schedule. And yet, the outcome of science is full of uncertainty, so the product of journalism, under the rigors of urgency, is even more worthy of our skepticism, because quick judgment necessarily relies on prejudice more heavily than pondered judgment.
The literary production of the citizen journalist on the internet, is deliciously messy, and its conclusions are just as questionable as the product of any other human entreprise. What is notable is how the citizen with a keybord can influence national affairs, as is becoming increasingly apparent.
I believe Benjamin Franklin is looking at us, and smiling, because the citizen journalist might be able to bring science and politics closer together, in their amateurish capacity, which is how the founding fathers wished it, if I may be so boldly declare, in my thusly arrogued capacity of amateur-supreme-justice. Don’t worry, my mandate is very short.
What’s Radosh’s point? We can only trust the credentialed? No corruption there. Not in the ranks of the respectable inside the buttercup crowd. No Siree.
Thanks you, tanstaafl and Kriska. And, yes, I am remarkably lonely philosophically speaking up here. It’s why I cherish pajamasmedia.
When Morning Joke is not openly smootching the behind of a lib , ie Hillary or Zibbiggy Eyechartsky , its excellent muppet panelists Buchanon and Barnacle and 1st class guest list , make it the best thing on TV . Yours for the revolution
Nat the libertarian
Ron, good piece here. However, I have watched Morning Joe. It’s a liberal rant through and through. Joe makes some good points but since Obama and NBC/GE are now joined at the hip I cannot with good conscience believe anything I hear on MSNBC. Chet Huntley, David Brinkley, Frank McGee, John Chancellor and even Tim Russert were true journalists always reporting, it seemed their biases were never revealed by themselves or their reporting. They asked tough questions and would probe their guest until they gave them a straight answer. I always enjoyed Russert’s interviews with Cheney.
Regarding Beck, he is not an R or D. He is a conservative leaning on the libertarian side. He was always tough on Bush. Hell, he called the financial collapse 12 months before it happened. He was on Headline News, at the time, so no one saw it. I did and because of his guests I moved my retirement funds around and only lost 17% of my portfolio last September. Beck also used Van Jones own words showing clip after clip trying his best to give it context. He always says on his shows to ask politicians the tough questions, which is probably why most do not go on his show. Does he get wacky sometimes.. sure! Hell, he admits it all the time.
Fox News during the day is Fair to all parties, I know several anchors and reporters personally and can tell you that some lean liberal and most are attorneys or been trained in Law School. However, most never show it except for maybe Shep on occasion. Like others here at Pajamas Media I get my information from as many sources as possible. Again good piece Ron, Thanks!
I don’t watch him on cable but I used to listen to Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski on radio.
In the beginning he postured as a conservative and Mika a liberal for on-the-air ‘tension.’ Eventually they dropped the pretense and joined each other in the mushy middle — which is where tepid Joe really is in my opinion. Yuck.
I like Joe most of the time. His posse is lame. He needs a few younger people around him and a real Christain (what!) would be a nice addition. Notice I said REAL.
I’ll bet there are more conservative viewers who have heard, and weighed, both sides of issues due to the fact that local radio stations get their news from the AP, NY TImes News Service, etc. So even if you listen to Limbaugh, during the breaks you get an opposing view.
But if you are a liberal or progressive, you would have to go out of your way to find a view different from your own.
OK. Here goes. I review a variety of news sources to get & stay informed. I find some good stuff on Fox (O’Reilly); some good stuff on CNN; can’t get MSNBC as Comcast put it in the digital zone couple years ago. Think Rush is a bozo and don’t listen to Beck, Malkin or Coulter. Daily Kos is silly. Get some good stuff from BBC, The Economist, Christian Science Monitor. Bottom line is that all of these sources offer something worth reading or listening to. And one needs to have a broad spectrum of information sources in order to be well informed.
#17 Chris in Toronto: “What’s going on in this day and age is a battle for your personal liberty, your freedom to live your life as you choose, undirected by the State….” I agree and find it contradictory that self-proclaimed conservatives who favor limited government still want to use big government to impose their personal religious views on all of society. We of course refer to issues such as abortion, birth control, sex education in schools, religious right advocacy of creationism and anti-evolution, etc & etc.
EscapeVelocity: “You know as well as anyone Mr. Rodash, that its the Left, particularly since the 60s that politicized everything, the personal is the political. They horned in on the media and turned it into a weapon. The reaction in self defense came about with the expansion of bandwidth that made it possible, or in the 80s, lone voices on AM radio crying out in the wilderness.
This zeitgeist was completely created by the Left. I you want it to stop, destroy the Left.”
I absolutely agree with you on this, EscapeVelocity.
Chris in Toronto, post #17 is spot on. There is a battle waging in the U.S. and the facts will win the day, but only if the push is enough to continue to overcome the entrenched Obama media bias. There are many, many good, concerned truthful people in this country, people who are only now realizing that they aren’t alone and have a voice. Conservatism, personal liberty, and Constitutional revival are worthy of knock-down drag-outs. The Left will always lose when the argument is based upon facts and exposure.
Opinion, like nature, abhors a vacuum. The once-responsible media are now irresponsible and so lots of people have rushed in to fill the void. But that is not the problem; it’s not even A problem. If Radosh actually believes that Sotomayor is pretty much ok then he knows less about Obama than he knows about her. Obama will never, ever nominate someone to the Court who isn’t exactly like him. The Court and single-payer health care are the wet dreams of these people and they aren’t going to wake up from them.
And one more thing: when it comes to politics, especially in revolutionary times, partisanship is not just good but essential. Milksops like Scarborough will get trampled, and deserve to. Look at his audience data. Who cares? Do you think non-partisanship would have been a good thing during the Civil War? If so then you’ll love it in the civil war raging now.
“Morning Joe”? OK article til you got there. Joe is a hack. He knows little and it shows.
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The modern mainstream corporate has become more and more gutless and more loathe to actual research, as well as becoming more and more appeasing to the nutcase crowd in attempt to draw in ever more precious and hard to come by revenue. Cable news has gotten worse and worse thanks to the success of the neo-infotainment Fox News. But I don’t consider Fox News to be a legitimate news source — they never originate any hard news items, instead relying on stories off the wire services, which they then often spin in a bizarrely political way. The vast bulk of their programming is just basically visual right-wing talk radio that lurches heavily into the fanatical extreme right. They are worst than useless for keeping up and understanding current events, more often than not focusing on tabloid level nonsense (and which I put stuff like the ACORN business in)– not surprising given the owner. I never watch MSNBC since it always seems to be supermarket cola compared to CNN Pepsi (and I’m a Coke drinker).
Blog sites are the worst, though — contributing much to the new and growing Tower of Babel that is the “news” now. And it isn’t just the usual suspects like Hot Air or The New Republic — I don’t see much if any real benefit by likes of the Huffington Post either: it’s all just a bunch of random people in a really big bar loudly sharing their opinions. There is no graceful or easy way to determine who’s talking honestly from real knowledge and who is just spewing out idiotic rumors and deliberate misinformation.
Joe Scarborough is collecting a paycheck. Look what happened to Tucker Carlson for trying to present the “other” point of view on MSNBC–He was given the boot! Every morning I say, OK, I wonder if Morning Joe is going to have a guest other than the usual suspects. And every morning, here they come–Eugene Robinson, Jonathan Capehart, Joe Klein, etc. A regular liberal love fest. Joe Scarborough sits there and doesn’t even challenge them when they twist facts. One of my favorite is “47 million Americans don’t have . . .”. Joe should have stopped all of them from repeating that number because if was inaccurate. Joe has basically been told by MSNBC, “If you like working here, just play along.” So, please don’t describe Morning Joe as a serious venue for discussing issues. The show is a liberal boot-licking waste of time.
There are several problems that I have with this article.
1. Comparing and contrasting Fox and MSNBC. Only a few hardy souls watch MSNBC. The battle is between Fox and the MSM. MSNBC doesn’t even make the pretense of fairness…. There group of talking heads are comically bad.
2. When was the last time anyone in the MSM broke a story that was negative to a liberal candidate?
3. There is a content-free argument that you make “that the truth is in the middle”. It’s one of the reasons that moderates are in such disfavor. Another corollary, is the bogus argument made by media types that they must be doing something right since both sides are mad at them.
4. Journalism has always been prejudice. News organizations have been the house organ for different political views. To pretend otherwise is to ignore history.
Ron: The problem isn’t media propaganda or journalistic laziness, which have always existed. The problem is on the individual level; the ability to discern the truth when you hear it or dig for the truth if you are suspicious of a possible falsehood. To some people, if something aligns itself with their ideology its true, if not, false.
This is a problem which too many are infected with today. However Ron, I sense more and more people are trying to restore this God given ability today. Don’t be such a wet blanket. The fact that you can contribute to a blog is good thing and it is also good for all of us that many are doing so today. It is up to the individual to determine whether or not what they are seeing or hearing is true. To think otherwise is to discredit yourself and all of your readers as well. In the end we individual persons are responsible for what we believe, do and say. I am thankful that so very many are willing to contribute to the public discourse with their thoughts ideas and opinions. I am thankful that we have the means to do so.
Was there ever a time when there was a media source that didn’t have a bias? No.
The difference is that in the past they made no attempt to claim objectivity. The only thing worse than having a bias is simultaneously disclaiming that you have a bias. That hypocrisy is why people are fed up with the so-called “main stream media”.
Is Radosh talking about the same Joe Scarborough who called Palin’s death panel remark “a baldfaced lie”?
Verum Serum’s work was apparently not very effective, because the media in general chose
to ignore what these statements said about her jurisprudence and more importantly her
judgement. Someone who is at heart,
contemptous of the law’s limitations and views as just another political tool.
This is a different age and time. I believed is called the electronic information age AND NO ONE FORCES ANYONE TO CHOOSE THE SOURCE or BELIEVE EVERYTHING, MUCH LESS TO TUNE IN — or does Mr Radosh prefer state sponsored papyrus scrolls, selectively distributed — or official town criers?
If one doesn’t like a blog, newspaper, news channel, radio show etc — don’t read it — don’t listen — the market has a way of purging information sources that one no longer trusts and find new sources that resonate, prove credible, or, at the very least, thought provoking.
Facts/Candidates/Office Holders can now be checked out by private citizens — isn’t that a GREAT freedom? This author has every right to publish a downbeat article on free information gathering — I for one appreciate the freedom of choice to source facts, think, analyze, and vote…Maybe Sotomayor learned a valuable lesson — why shouldn’t we have heard how remarks she made when she thought it “safe.” All our elected officials are now much more accountable…what is wrong with that?
Or does this author prefer censorship so we only agree to his cynical opinion? Is there some official “badge” that one has to have to elicit “THE CORRECT” opinion?
Obama’s new Federal Communications Commission Diversity Czar, Mark Lloyd, is a big fan of Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez and his Soviet-style media control — — he HAS stated (his words not mine) that he loves the way Chavez runs the media — is that preferable?
I have decided, after spending my valuable, spare time reading this and other past articles by Ron Radosh, I will now skip his writings …maybe start reading other Pajamasmedia postings and definitely more VerumSerum.com.
Note to PJM moderators: In lieu of recent news, shouldn’t the poster #10′s moniker raise some eyebrows (and maybe even a forwarding to the appropriate authorities???).
Just saying….
For anyone interested, you can read my original response to Bowden’s article in The Atlantic here:
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=8223
Morgen
Verum Serum
Ron,
As the “Christian conservative” mentioned in the article, I have a few comments.
We were interviewed in June, long before Sotomayor was confirmed. By then Morgen had already expressed his opinion to Mark Bowden that she was probably the best choice conservatives could expect. Also, I had written a post suggesting that the best thing Republicans could do was to let her pass in an orderly fashion.
All that to say, we didn’t have some sort of change of heart on Sotomayor. We were always pretty calm, cool and collected her nomination. Of course there were some (Rush and Newt) who got a bit heated with the racism charges (Newt later apologized). I would agree that was going too far.
That said, I’m convinced that Mark Bowden doesn’t go far enough. A close look at the “wise Latina” speech shows Sbeyond doubt that she was not making a narrow statement about racial bias cases. Rather, it was a very broad statement about how more minority bench appointments would change the practice of law and society itslef. You can read my (rather lengthy) analysis here: http://www.verumserum.com/?p=8668
In sum, we still think it was newsworthy and that, contrary to Bowden, it was not an unfair partisan attack. Given that she repeated the line 5 or 6 times before various audiences, we feel it was a window into an important aspect of her personality.
Finally, what probably bothers me most as the owner of the blog is the 20-30 readers thing. It isn’t true. We’re averaging around 3,000 hits a day, with our best single day nearly 60K. And I dare say our impact — on Sotomayor, on health care, on Van Jones – exceeds blogs many times our size.
We’re heading back to a time a stormy journalism similar to that of the early 1800s in this country. It was a basic assumption of all newspaper readers back then that editors and reporters, given human nature, were biased. In fact, some newspapers reveled in their partisanship. Generally, most readers accepted this situation, because you could always find another newspaper (they were plentiful) that reflected your own views.
Such practices didn’t noticeably curtail awareness by American voters of the great debates of that age: expansion of the country beyond the Mississippi River, slavery, Monroe Doctrine, forced removal of native Americans from the Southeast, building of a large US Navy, etc. In fact, the enthusiasm among ordinary Americans for elections and electioneering was high, especially in the age of Jackson.
Foreigners visiting this country often commented on how informed (and opinionated) Americans were of the great issues of the day. They were also often surprised that ordinary citizens expected to have a say in the outcome of those debates, something that simply did not happen in their home countries.
In our time, left-leaning reporters and editors have dominated the production of the news for so long, especially since Watergate in the early 1970s, that many people today assume that newspapers have always been that way. Simply not true.
There is no politics in the truth Mr. Radosh. So the screaming back and forth between the two sides might be horrendous to listen to but don’t forget – the left started it. For decades now, going back to the days when a reporter from the NY Times was given a PULITZER after he hid the fact of Stalin’s murder through starvation of millions of peasant farmers in the Ukraine and TO THIS DAY HAS RETAINED THE PRIZE we on the right have had to live with the lies and do nothing about it. The left has shaped all cultural institutions to the point where a charlatan was election President in 2008. Political correctness is a thinly disguied attempt at mind control to foster Marxist cultural revolution and the Jurassic Press has been pushing it for generations. The screaming you hear from the right is outrage at the lies and distortions, from the left an attempt to retain their hegemony over the minds of Americans. This is a pitched battle whose time has come and I think when the dust settles times will be different. The ACORN story has been there for years. The left never picked it up because ACORN is part of their “family”. I am sure there are many more stories out there and because of the internet we can bypass the bloviating self-important LIARS who previously parsed and dispensed the news to us as if we were little children and they are our parents who knew best. SCREW THEM. And let the screaming continue. It’s about time truth is speaking to power. Even if it is shouting.
I don’t know about Mature there is a lot of juvenile humor but that is one of the charms of the show, they don’t take themselves too seriously…
…except when Sarah Palin comes up, then they become just another MSNBC show.
I liveblogged the show for a while, you would be surprised at the gems hidden in there.
(1) Beck,Hannity and O’Reilly have in fact raised those other issues about ACORN.
(2) Morning Joe is ridiculous. You have Joe who by any standard is a RINO (Democrat-lie) surrounded by liberals on a station controlled by liberals that is owned by GE who have a heavily vested interest in promoting the liberal agenda.Honest discussion? I THINK NOT! If it were,why not place it in prime-time so (if possible) msnbc would garner more viewers?
32. AThinkingPerson:
You’re a thinking person, maybe you thought you should kill that poor guy. So we should forward your name to that authorities. Quit being so willfully obtuse. Better yet, quit being such a pussy.
Glenn Beck invites criticism. He does not hide from it. Do you think that Beck may have arrived at a bizarre conclusion? If so, tell him so! Also, how many of us are infallible? Is there anyone you entirely agree with? Did you always agree with the late William F. Buckley, the so-called sane and balanced conservative? I doubt this very much. Glenn Beck is effectively taking the Obama administration to task. He may very well be the biggest thorn in its side. One can always say no to Beck if he starts to significantly go off the deep end.
This story started off as a good read,
but when it ended up with a plug for “MourningSchmo”
all fairness went out the window. He has more
“in tank shills” working there than any group i’ve seen.
To say a story should get a pass because it
contains some truth would be ludicrous. In my
opinion there should be more of this type of
exposure of corrupt enterprise and those involved.
There is too much questionable spending that
we know about,let alone the shady handouts.
An excellent article! I’ve been frustrated with the decaying state of “journalism” and the media for many years.
I think news “reporters” should act like court reporters and pay attention to what’s said by both sides of a controversy. The public should be treated like a jury. When media advocates (versus reports), we get only one side of a story which is usually a false impression. Lopsided reporting is arrogant/condescending because the public is not trusted to make sound conclusions after a fair hearing of the facts.
No surprise people find it increasingly difficult to trust partisan newspapers, networks, or blogs.
Are you a professional journalist? You write very well.
No surprise people find it increasingly difficult to trust partisan newspapers, networks, or blogs.
I think we don’t believe on media in terms of truthfulness as it uses numerous factors for actually running a good business.