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Roger L. Simon

Winning the New Gaza War

July 8th, 2014 - 2:19 pm

The problem with going to war is you really have to win it definitively.  If you don’t, it will come back and bite you in the leg — or worse.

The USA should have learned that from World War II when we, and our allies, completely annihilated the Nazis and the Japanese and Germany and Japan became decent modern democracies. We didn’t. Whether you supported them or not, whether they were the right ones or not, we ended up fighting all subsequent wars half-heartedly. The results  are obvious.

America has gotten away, so far, barely, with this ambivalent approach to war because it is so powerful and so far away from the field of battle. (The rapid metastasis across Syria and Iraq of the Islamic State — aka ISIS — not to mention our own porous borders, may change that.)

Israel is in a different position. It fights for its survival surrounded by societies that despise it and are, by contemporary standards, hugely primitive and bordering on the insane, misogynistic, homophobic and everything else liberals are supposed to abhor. (I guess supporters of #BDS movement can stop reading here.) Nevertheless, Israel has fought its wars — even the ’67 war — American-style, holding off from finishing the job, because of its own scruples and because it was urged to “exercise restraint”  by the U.S., Europe, Russia or the former Soviet Union.

Now things are different. We are in the Age of Obama when the thought of such an incompetent, failed president counseling anything, let alone restraint, is risible. And yet you can be sure he will within minutes of when Israel’s new operation against Hamas in Gaza shows even a glimmer of success.

I write this as sirens wail in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, so let me cut to the chase. This time Israel should finish the job. Forget anything said by Obama and his equally incompetent secretary of State.  Shine them on. Do anything you have to, but smash Hamas utterly.

Israel will be doing the world a favor, showing them how Islamic terrorists should be treated. The only horse they recognize, as Lee Smith pointed out a while ago, is the strong one. That’s the unfortunate truth. Anyone who sees it otherwise at this point is lying to himself or others. How many more years of this do we need? How many more Gaza wars, Iraq wars, Syrian civil wars, Iranian (potential) nuclear wars,  Sunni vs. Shiite wars, back-to-the-Middle Ages wars can civilization abide? Sooner or later, someone is going to have to yell “Ya, basta!”

Benjamin Netanyahu — over to you.

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America and Israel do not defend themselves because leftists have demonized them and propagandized against them and slandered them and have indoctrinated a gullible world against them.

Destroy the liars, slanderers, propagandists, traitors first...and all that follows will be made much easier.

Hamas doesn't win hearts and minds. The barbaric enemy is lobbing rockets but the real enemy is robbing lockets.

Destroy treason at home. It is the greatest enemy.
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I wish Israel would just ignore Obama and Kerry ... everyone else around the world does.
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Exactly so. Unless Israel starts killing its enemies wholesale, they will just kill Israel by inches.
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One of Israel’s demands/objectives in concluding this latest war against Hamas must be the removal of UNRWA Headquarters from Gaza. Ultimately, it is necessary to both destroy Hamas and dismantle the UNRWA. But, Israel appears currently to lack (again) the political will and capital to undertake either objective. Instead, address the financial basis of Hamas’ ability to maintain control in Gaza–and that is the direct support of the UNRWA. Call for them to relocate to Ramallah…or Amman.

(Although 5+ years old, this article by Claudia Rosett still speaks relevantly to the the role of the UNRWA in supporting a terrorist ‘society’ in Gaza):
http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/07/gaza-hamas-unrwa-oped-cx_cr_0108rosett.html
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With ya. Israel has been compromising far too long. Time to tell the world, "We took these territories well over 40 years ago in a war in which we were attacked without provocation. Enough discussion. This is our nation, we will govern it all, we will defend our borders and respond to violence with aggression."
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When the Air Force was made independent in 1948, Congress & White House decapitate the armed services. The heads were rolled into the Joint Chiefs of Staff, an advisory body. They were replaced with civilian Secretaries with line authority over the military. The first uniformed person in 3rd down in the chain of command. This achieved civilian control of the military. Early in 1951 (MacArthur gone), Truman ordered that there will be no more amphibious landings in Korea. Navy-Army team had 5 that were about to go which would have reduced the Chinese army to sushi.

Any officer at field grade or above who expresses a military opinion different from the White House line is made a civilian in 24 hours. Military officers testifying to Congress report the White House line.
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FWIW an independent Air Force was, and continues to be a mistake. Similar to our beloved Marine Corps it should have remained an Army Corps. Its own uniform etc, but with overhead (medical, chaplain, legal, bureaucracy etc.) carried by the Department of the Army.
It would have meant fewer civilian layers as well.
They then could have made their self aggrandizing elite force meme work, as the USMC has done, by not having all the pencil pushers in blue suits.
ta
(USN Ret)
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Unfortunately, this would require a type of war that Israel has not practiced since Joshua led the twelve tribes. A war of complete annihilation. Killing every man, woman, child, goat, sheep, every single thing that lives. Then raze Gaza to the ground and salt the earth.
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Great idea...let's go to war with one billion Muslims...let's radicalize the entire demographic. Let's turn every moderate into an extremist. You right-wingers are DUMBER THAN CORN FLAKES. I guess you can call PJ Media's call to exterminate the Palestinians the "final solution" for the
"Palestinian question". Funny, neo-Nazis from PJ Media commenters asking Jews to keep acting like real Nazis.

Another reason why right-wingers are too dumb to live....Israel has ZERO intention for peace...if they did, they would not be building more and more illegal settlements every day AND they would not massacre fifty Palestinians for every one Israel killed or hurt. Israel's goal is to antagonize as many Palestinians as possible to always play the victim and keep receiving BILLIONS in free US taxpayer dollars. Yes, the sixteenth richest nation per-capita has received ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY BILLION from the US. Thank the GOP Congress for throwing our money down the toilet.


Tony Bombaci Great idea...let's go to war with one billion Muslims...let's radicalize the entire demographic. Let's turn every moderate into an extremist. You right-wingers are DUMBER THAN CORN FLAKES. I guess you can call PJ Media's call to exterminate the Palestinians the "final solution" for the
"Palestinian question". Funny, neo-Nazis from PJ Media asking Jews to keep acting like real Nazis.
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There was no call to exterminate the Palestinians. Only to decisively defeat Hamas, a terrorist organization which has as one of its core goals the destruction of Israel. Please stick to the facts.

And please explain how it is illegal to build Israeli settlements in Israeli territory?
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Someone says Israel is forever, so there. What price denial?
...the alternative [to better teachers in Gaza schools and big buckets of blahblah] is mass murder, which will become inevitable the way things are going.
No, the alternative is annihilation of the Jewish state. The writing is on the wall for all to read. IMO, most Israelis will choose to die with boots on, fighting for freedom and the right to survive to decide their own destiny. Applies to us too, which is why Israel deserves our full support. Who would wish otherwise?

This isn't time for platitudes and waffle, or the vague sense of disengaged decency found on editorial pages. Hamas has placed the entire Gaza population at risk, again. How does this mess differ from building C3 centers next to or under hospitals and schools? Time to reap the whirlwind. Peace may then return.

The grim choice facing Israelis: charred children, ours vs theirs -- the worst Hobson's choice ever but not a suicide pact. Diplomacy has failed again. Editorial pieties and finger-wagging are worse than useless and merely increase the body count.
This is the time of the Merkava.
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There is an answer-

The very first High Commissioner for Refugees of the League of Nations, Fridtjof Nansen , received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1922 for ending a war that seemed intractable by using non violent population transfer..

” In 1919, he ( Nansen ) became president of the Norwegian Union for the League of Nations and at the Peace Conference in Paris was an influential lobbyist for the adoption of the League Covenant and for recognition of the rights of small nations. From 1920 until his death he was a delegate to the League from Norway.

In June, 1921, the Council of the League appointed Nansen its first High Commissioner for Refugees. Stateless refugees recieved a ” Nansen Passport ” , a document of identification which was eventually recognized by fifty-two governments. In the nine-year life of this Office, Nansen ministered to hundreds of thousands of refugees – Russian,Turkish, Armenian, Assyrian, Assyro-Chaldean – utilizing the methods that were to become classic: custodial care, repatriation, rehabilitation, resettlement, emigration, integration.

In 1922 at the request of the Greek government and with the approval of the League of Nations, Nansen tried to solve the problem of the Greek refugees who poured into their native land from their homes in Asia Minor after the Greek army had been defeated by the Turks. Nansen arranged an exchange of about 1,250,000 Greeks living on Turkish soil for about 500,000 Turks living in Greece, with appropriate indemnification and provisions for giving them the opportunity for a new start in life.” Nobel Prize Website

IN 1922 FRIDTJOF NANSEN WAS AWARDED THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE .

” We all know from the history books of the exchange of Turks and Greeks, which took place after World War I when, after the war ended, there was a further war between Greece and Turkey, at the end of which, the Greek and Turkish governments agreed on an exchange of populations. And as it appears in the history books, the Greek minority in Turkey was sent to Greece; the Turkish minority in Greece was sent to Turkey. That’s what it says in the history books. But if you look at the treaty in which this agreement was incorporated, it says something different. The parties to be exchanged are defined as Turkish subjects of the Greek Orthodox faith and Greek subjects of the Muslim faith. And if you look more closely at who the people actually were, they were, to a very large extent, Turkish-speaking Orthodox Christians from Turkey and Greek-speaking Muslims from Greece. This was not an exchange of two ethnic minorities. It was a deportation of two religious minorities. ”
Prof. Bernard Lewis, April. 27, 2006 interview, Pew Forum

If Palestinians wish to remain in Israel they should be able to do so as citizens of Jordan, which already controls seventy-seven percent of territorial Palestine. If Jordan wishes to change its name to Palestine, as the late King Hussein Ibn Talal suggested, that is its right. If the Palestinians want peace its a twenty minute bus ride away.
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Hope you're right but it's a hard sell.

Who controls your bus stops? Today's global media will yap and moan as usual, as will domestic socialists. Both will make their 'facts' conform to the narrative, made up as they go. Quantum-like, they'll change the outcome merely by observing and spinning. The good guys will not be in control.

I'm no expert, but didn't an attempt to shuffle and shift Greeks and Turks in Cypress during the time of Eoka and Makarios fail badly? The result was many years of bloodshed.
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Israel is forever.
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Israel should empty more and more land around them every time a so-called palestinian fires a rocket. Israel cannot leave whole populations giving aid and comfort to the rocket launchers in close proximity to Israel. Instead Israel fights for a limited time, pursuing very limited goals, stops and waits for the next intifada.
23 weeks ago
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Was sitting at home last night, 7 p.m. and I hear the air raid sirens. In Tel Aviv! In an instant everything has changed, missiles that can reach Tel Aviv and Jerusalem (based on the Iranian Fajr) literally changes everything. The govt cannot allow these cities to come under attack, they are Israel's economic and political heart (and no it should never have allowed Sderot and Ashkelon to come under attack for so long, for so many years).

The thing is it is not so simple, how we respond. The only answer is to go back into Gaza and stay there, as we did in June 1967. But most of the Western and Muslim world - with notable exceptions - hates us and wants that we die (if you don't get this you understand nothing). So they will object to a ground invasion, the media will tell lies (already are) and Obama will turn on us and threaten us, along with the EU.

We need to stand up to Obama and tell him to take a hike. Whether Bibi will do that remains to be seen. But there is no political will unfortunately to do what is necessary. Go into Gaza and stay there.

Interesting to see also how idiot Tel Aviv liberals are going to respond to rockets fired from the Palestinians they love so much, actually now reaching TA. Already one senses an undercurrent of confusion, difficult to put my finger on it exactly, but early days as well. Will they learn a thing? No I reckon not, they are liberals after all, and liberals are learn proof (something many conservatives just don't understand). Even if they face rockets landing on their homes and places of work and parks and their kids' schools? Yes they are still learn proof. You don't know the psychopathology of a liberal until you know a TA liberal, imagine a NY liberal, but worse. And that's because the Jews here have less excuse.

Not all TA Jews are idiot liberals btw, not at all. Just the 'intellectuals' and artistes and humanities students, and the like. Wonder whether Gideon Levy (one of our most notorious self-hating Jews) went into a shelter last night?

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Last night, 10PM local time, the sirens sounded in our home town, Jerusalem. To the bomb shelters we went.If you check the news you will find that arabs on The Temple Mount celebrated. We have within our borders a hostile and barbaric fifth column. Something that can no longer be tolerated.

In truth the greatest enemy Israel faces is not Hamas, or Iran, or Al Qaida. The greatest enemy Israel faces is Liberalism.

Liberalsim that prevents the execution of captured terrorists.
Liberalism that feeds and clothes and provides water and electricity to our enemies.
Liberalsim that allows traitors that long for our destruction to be part of our Knesset.
Liberalsim that pays for the enemy within our borders to have more children who are then taught to hate us.
Liberalism that allows terror prisoners to live in groups, cook their own food and get college degrees in Israeli prisons.
Liberalism that puts Israli soldiers at risk in order to prevent enemy casualties.
Liberalism that allows Abu Mazens wife to get free hospital care in Israel. Surrounded by PA guards. In a private room. While his official website tells us to get out the body bags.

While our soldiers fight for freedom, ours and yours, please share the following with your friends and neighbors. Tell them our victory is assured. And by praying for our safety they will receive blessings for their own families.

Judaism: Prayer for the Welfare of IDF Soldiers

The prayer for the welfare of IDF soldiers was written by Rabbi Shlomo Goren, who served as IDF Chief Rabbi and then as Ashkenazic Chief Rabbi of Israel.
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He Who blessed our forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob -- may He bless the fighters of the Israel Defense Forces, who stand guard over our land and the cities of our God, from the border of the Lebanon to the desert of Egypt, and from the Great Sea unto the approach of the Aravah, on the land, in the air, and on the sea.
May the Almighty cause the enemies who rise up against us to be struck down before them. May the Holy One, Blessed is He, preserve and rescue our fighters from every trouble and distress and from every plague and illness, and may He send blessing and success in their every endeavor.
May He lead our enemies under our soldiers’ sway and may He grant them salvation and crown them with victory. And may there be fulfilled for them the verse: For it is the Lord your God, Who goes with you to battle your enemies for you to save you.



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Agreed Menachem it is liberalism and the cowardice that goes with it.
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You have the same enemy we do. They just use the media and Administration instead of rockets, for now anyway. Of course we now have Mexico to add to our enemies list.
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