Who Is Responsible for Benghazi?
Apparently, David Petraeus doesn’t just lie about his private life. He also at least airbrushes the truth when it comes to national security, telling the House Intelligence Committee that he always said Benghazi was a terrorist attack.
Rep. Peter King – who attended both Petraeus’ testimony Friday and the former DCIA’s briefing to lawmakers on Sept. 14 — has a more jaundiced view:
Petraeus’ testimony both challenges the Obama administration’s repeated claims that the attack was a “spontaneous” protest over an anti-Islam video, and according to King conflicts with his own briefing to lawmakers on Sept. 14. Sources have said Petraeus, in that briefing, also described the attack as a protest that spun out of control.
“His testimony today was that from the start, he had told us that this was a terrorist attack,” King said, adding that he told Petraeus he had a “different recollection.”
But never mind the self-serving shifting sands of the increasingly slimy general. The lede from the same Fox story is the important news:
Former CIA Director David Petraeus testified in a closed-door hearing Friday morning that his agency determined immediately after the Sept. 11 Libya attack that “Al-Qaeda involvement” was suspected — but the line was taken out in the final version circulated to administration officials, according to a top lawmaker who was briefed.
There’s your smoking gun, as the saying goes. Someone, or ones, somewhere redacted that crucial line.
Who?
“It is the duty of every American citizen to watch carefully, since many forces conspire to push it under the rug.”
Citizen Shrug seems to be in the majority with regards to this administration. How do we address that?
Oh, look, another idiotic GOP attempt to manufacture an impeachable scandal falls flat. How long is America going to have to put up with this puerile nonsense? Grow up. The whole lot of you are nothing but dogs chasing cars.
When it comes to manufactured scandals conservatives have nothing on the left.
What about the “US attorneys controversy” (a president attacked for using his lawful powers)?
Or the “Plame affair” (an administration attacked for supposedly exposing a super-spy who turned out to be a Washington, DC housewife)?
Or the “Katrina disaster” (a president excoriated for trying to encourage a sitting FEMA director, who was merely doing his best to manage a disaster that was essentially created by the incompetence and corruption of Democratic Party officials in Louisiana)?
Seems like its of enough interest for you to keep following. You just can’t handle facts coming out.
An attack on the party asking questions is not a defense of what went on. There are also liberal and Democrats that are not satisfied with the way the event was reported to the American people. The telling and retelling are not adding up which leads to the question who was lying and when. Perhaps it is as simple as “fog of war”, and even that is scary as it was a very tiny war.
Even those in defense of the way it was handled smell a rat or they would not be protesting the investigation so loudly.
Sorry, but it is not about impeachment, it is about the truth. Four Americans died in what looks like a not so surprising attack.
Who is responsible…let this blogger count the ways….leading straight to the Pyromaniac-in-Chief’s doorstep – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/11/13/covering-up-benghazigate-exquisite-political-timing-sacrificing-a-cia-director-to-boot-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/
And with Petraeus’s testimony, telling the score, surely those still in suspended disbelief should just go back to sleep. Either they are mentally incapable, willfully blind or malevolent to the facts at hand. But either way, there will be NO convincing them of said reality.
Thus, ignore them, or step over them. Take your pick.
There’s no question in my mind that this administration is run by committee. I think that Valerie Jarrett made the call to ignore pleas for security from Benghazi. I think that Axelrod, Jarrett and Obama conspired to shape the event as something they could use to massage their base with implications of Arab Spring retaliating against the “mean” attacks on radical Islam. I believe that this entire administration is a construct that cloaks the real seat of power-which is centered on Soros who funds their activities directly via campaign contributions and indirectly through his machinations via Tides Foundation and Media Matters-which funnels news to the media that is little more than campaign talking points. I believe this administration is corrupt, that what we have seen publicly is the very tip of a particularly nasty iceberg.
conspiracy theories are so much less interesting if the “commentator” actually reported the full stories. Petraeus said there was no political influence on the revision. Whoever revised it, he, Petraeus, and all the other intelligence heads signed off (literally, with their signature) on it. The most likely reason (god forbid a conspiracy theorist should go for the most likely reason) is not to expose ongoing intelligence gathering.
Yeah, Petraeus is slimy – Obama’s mistake for trying to be bipartisan. But who is this Rep. Don King you hold up as a paragon of reliability? (“not to my recollection”) Oh, I guess he’s almost as reliable as the anonymous “commenter” on that paragon of reliability breitbart.com. ah, yes, “consider the possibility.” The commenter “might be on to something.” This thing is big, big, BIG! I tell you, especially “if true.” But of course, if it’s “possible” then it’s already “true”!
After all the fun and games, stop for a second and count how many facts you actually have. Dagnum the evidence! It’s so damned biased in favor Democrats! We need to unskew reality!
This is serious, banana-republic level stuff. I suspect that virtually nothing will come of all this, just as in the case of F&F. “Nothing to see here………”
You know what was amazing about this election? For the first time the average citizen got a clear glimpse of a phenomena that Democrats have been aware of for some time – wing-nuts live in an alternative Fox News reality. They huddle in their Fox caves and rant about conspiracy, and wonder how it is that everyone else is so wrong and oblivious!!!
Compare this to the pre-election polling debacle. Same thing. Republicans had their version of reality – Dems are oversampled, lets unskew the polls and we’ll win by large margins! How can no one see this! Damn MSM!
Then reality hit you on the head like a ton of bricks. Now you just can’t see how F&F didn’t take off, and you mutter “Bhengazi” to yourselves as you fall asleep.
AMERICA IS ONTO YOUR ECHO-CHAMBER FEED DELUSIONAL WAY OF DOING BUSINESS. Go ahead, cry conspiracy. Remember the story of the boy who cried wolf? No one believes you all outside of your bubble because you ARE NOT GROUNDED IN REALITY ANYMORE.
So, you’re saying that if these things happened with Bush or McCain in office, you would politely ignore them? Typing in ALL CAPS doesn’t make people more willing to listen to you and telling them they’re all crazy doesn’t convince them that you’re not the crazy one.
Yes, Fox News was way off the polling. The main reason is that they didn’t believe the turnout would be so huge in Democratic districts or that the numbers of self-identifying Democrats were actually what pollsters thought they were.
No, Fox was “way off the polling” because they wanted to be. They are a propaganda network shilling for the GOP and they knew that running any negative polls for Romney would drive away their paranoid viewership. So instead of relying on polling data from reputable sources, they just made stuff up.
What is ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN then?
“The main reason is that they didn’t believe the turnout would be so huge in Democratic districts or that the numbers of self-identifying Democrats were actually what pollsters thought they were.”
AKA/ Distorted view of reality.
Jimmy,
Please explain what happened in the 2010 election, if your PC bed-wetting Lib mind can recall anything that happened beyond the last news cycle? Your messiah didn’t win in a landslide, Jimbo, so let’s not beat our chest too hard. I wouldn’t want you to bruise your not-so-well built unionized chest cavity.
Do you know what is “NOT GROUNDED IN REALITY ANYMORE”?….a man who can dismiss the Bengazi fiasco as ‘much ado about nothing’ because their man on a pedestal might come crashing down from the fallout. Then you turn your venom on Fox News and it’s viewers? Where is your venom for the Administration that allowed Amb. Stevens and 3 other Americans to be killed, covered-up and (you hope) forgotten?
Your press corp has carried more water for this President than a forced farmer in Maoist China. An example: when the president said in yesterday’s yawner of a “press conference”, ‘Susan Rice had nothing to do Bengazi’, why didn’t anyone yell out, ‘then why was she sent out by your Admin. to explain to the American people what happened in Bengazi’?
The only journalist who asked a question that the President didn’t have a ready made filibustering reply to was…ready…Fox News’ Ed Henry. He had our thin-skinned Commander-in-chief so off message, that his retort was curt yet rambling at the same time. That whole “press conference” was Chicago-style politics at it’s worst.
So you can keep YOUR Media, I will stick to publications and networks that are not afraid to ask tough, serious questions of the Obama Clan…
Oh, when I go to bed at night I don’t mutter Bengazi, I mutter ‘how did this man just get re-elected with HIS economy performing the way it has been, his foreign policy blowing up in his face, while offering no new solutions to our mounting problems’.
So Jim-Jim, the only question left is who is the bigger putz? This Admin. for believing that this time Keynesian/Socialist/peacenik policies will work, though they never have before, or YOU, the Obamabot, who will defend said policies and set up straw man arguments about Fox News and their substantial audience.
you’re right, of course. five dead americans and a couple of hundred dead mexicans, courtesy of fast and furious and benghazi, are no big deal. people are simply over-reacting. after all, who but a right-wing nut would want to know how and why this stuff happened.
James. What do you know about F&F & the Benghazi attacks? Based on your post above, I gather not very much, if anything at all.
I wish I believed that. But too many people revel in their lack of information. My brother in law, a rampant liberal, brags how he doesn’t listen to news, doesn’t watch television and doesn’t listen to news on radio. He’s clueless. And when confronted with FACTS that disrupt his liberal mindset, he attacks. In one case a friend of his fathers, a silver star recipient, had posted some articles on his Facebook revealing the true nature of the Obama administration. This ignorant liberal chose to cut a medaled hero off rather than have his political applecart upset. This is the way liberals operate. They get shallow news from the likes of CNN or MSNBC, then listen to late night TV monologues or maybe read Mother Jones and celebrate that they are widely informed. They are clearly ignorant, seldom read articles outside their own liberal mindset and cannot tolerate any difference of opinion. Family gatherings are not fun anymore and I am dreading Christmas.
So the 4 DEAD AMERICANS are also a figment of my imagination?!?!?!? No matter where you stand in politics, this has to be explained to the families of these slain heroes and to the American People. At least those who care, obviously of which you are NOT one. Loser – oops, sore winner.
Polls have often been wrong in the past. I remember repeated times when exit polls called a race for dems, only to be reversed by actual returns. And this time many of the polls themselves had big disagreements, with variances of +8 for Obama and +5 for romney, both in the same week. The key was nobody knew for sure whether dem turnout would be more likely to resemble the +8 dem turnout of 2008, the +2 repub turnout of 2010, or D+2 from 2004. As it turned out, it was down slightly from 2008, about D+6, but still enough for Obama to win. If it had been D+2 or less Romney would have won. No real way to know for sure until election day. As it turned out, dem voters were not that enthusiastic, as the polls said, but the Obama ground game was strong enough to get them out to vote anyway. But while you are busy crowing, and burying the repub party, remember how you felt in 2004, and how it turned out in 2006-2008. If Obamas 2nd term is no better than his first, it could be the same in 2014-2016. You cant keep blaming Bush forever.
Thie seems to be one of the great lessons of the 2012 election. American voters are either easily led by the corrupt media, or they really, really don’t give a crap. Or both. I don’t see comparisons to Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela as hyperbole any longer. Rush Limbaugh calls it the “state-run media,” and if the media are not state run, then in what important respects would an actual state-run media differ from the media we have now?
But the indifference over Benghazi is not due to media corruption alone. It also is a result of the dumbing down of the electorate. I was in college when the Watergate hearings were held. Entire lecture halls were dedicated to screenings of the hearings, and those lecture halls were filled….filled with students and faculty riveted, horrified and appalled by what they were seeing and hearing. Can anyone imagine that happening now? Now, we apparently expect to be lied to, or simply don’t want to think about it, provided the goody train keeps on running.
Only if that shoe was on the Republican foot. Then those lefty
profs would be all over it.
Bread and circuses, and let the tyrant lie, cheat, and lavish upon himself perquisites that would shame Louis XIV.
L’etat c’est moi is an arrogant attitude, an example of the hybris of Progressivism as it debases a republic. Sic semper tyrannis is the condign reply of Nemisis as she rallies patriots to just resistance.
Very true, Victor! It’s true that so much of our country doesn’t know and DOESN’T CARE about things like this nowadays. If it doesn’t effect them directly, and their late-night comedians don’t take issue with it, an event or situation is unimportant to them. I have heard people say – with a straight face – that they depend on Jon Stewart to let them know what’s going on, because through his humor, they get the “real story!” I think we’re in real trouble in this country!!
is limbaugh part of the state-run media? I’m still confounded how you keep complaining about being shut out of the media when you have fox, wsj, and big loudmouths like limbaugh and yourself still being able to … well, loudly complain.
remember – just because other people are laughing and thinking you’re crazy doesn’t mean that they haven’t heard what you said. it’s because they’ve heard loud and clear everything you’ve said.
all the time thinking what they did was for the better good of our country
No, better good of the world.
I’m not holding my breath. The media has little reason to delve into this story because it will hurt their guy. Even if he did nothing wrong it will reflect on his administrative skills. This story will be buried at the earliest opportunity. Nothing to see here, folks. Let’s move along.
If worse comes to worst, expect the administration to blame the ambassador himself – for even dealing with the Libyan rebels. News media will eat it up.
– credit for what he and his media broadcast as success. His failures they always blame on others.
Petraeus seems to have played it just like it was written by the WH … too bad.
Yep. Caught like a rat in the old “Are you lying now or were you lying then?” trap. He becomes the goat by default.
Petraeus’ wife just got a new job working for the administration, some $187,000 dollars a year.
The amazing thing is how cheaply they buy people off. That is about half what Senator Obama’s wife got for her no-show job for a Chicago hospital.
Sort of reminds me of a run in I had when a bank froze my checking account for a stupid reason. I asked for a letter I could giver to my creditors to explain the situation.
I got the letter.
Basically it said that indeed I was not at fault but FOR SURE THE BANK WAS NOT TO BLAME.
“What may emerge is a kind of government by cabal, a super-government composed of David Axelrod, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, and possibly a few others who operated, in the service of the president, above and beyond our legal and constitutional systems — “. You are being coy, Roger, “What MAY emerge…”. It HAS emerged, and they are doing it not for any relative altruistic compassion for Country, but from the sheer drunken addiction to power. The core, the federal government, ALL of it, is rotten. I withdraw my consent.
There’s your smoking gun, as the saying goes. Someone, or ones, somewhere redacted that crucial line.
Who?
Val the Gal. She and Susan (“the liar”) Rice pushed Barry into deposing Q-Daffy and couldn’t stand to see their little scheme for an enlightened Libya descend so rapidly into murder and chaos at the hands of Al Qaeda.
Davey (“opens mouth, lies”) Axelrod works, too.
Signed,
Governed by morons
Jarrett’s was the first, but not the only, name to cross my mind.
Saint Hillary should not be left off the list of possibilities. She plans to cite her “achievements” in the State Department when she runs for President. (My guess is that her chickens will have come unmistakably home to roost, but I thought the same about Obama 2012.)
I thought Obama’s chickens would have been roasted to cinders by 2012, but 60 million Americans didn’t agree.
I’ve thought of that phrase in the context of the Reverend Jeremiah’s claim about a vicious and ugly America’s chickens coming home to roost.
I now say that an ignorant and brain dead America’s chickens have come home to roost, with the re-selection of The One™
(and if that’s too much chicken-talk for one post, mea frickin’ culpa)
And a Chic-Fil-A day to you too!!
Perhaps it might not be enough!
You sound like sour grapes to me!
i thought saint hillary very coyly covered her very large backside while in south america. remember when she said the buck stopped with her. only she knew that barry would have to man-up and take full responsibility publicly, which he did on cue; hence, her “out” is public.
Yeah I caught that too. Obama was trying to get Hillary and Petraeus to fall on their swords. Seems Hillary was the only one that could find a way to dodge it. Though, in fairness, Obama did have better blackmail material on Petraeus.
That is because the left hates the general. Setting up a Clinton would be politically unpopular on the left. Not sure why… neither Clinton has ever done anything for anybody other than themselves and are already known to be as corrupt and dirty as any politician in the game. That is how liberals like their leaders though, filthy, corrupt and overrated as hell
We CANNOT have a president with a huge ass. That is one bridge too far. We CANNOT have a president who wears only brightly-colored pantsuits that can’t hide the double-wide back there. I DON’T CARE if she’s smart…there are plenty others who are just as smart who don’t have the junk trunk problem.
You’re thinking of Chicken Little, screaming the sky is falling every time a Democrat is in the White House.
Pretty clearly they still have more on the good General. Would be interested to see the video to see if he’s trying to use secret handsigns to let us know who is holding him hostage
The illicit squeeze’s drivers licence being dropped in Rock Creek Park like a common Beltway Russian espionage patsy was a warning shot across his bow.
Obama said the same thing during the second debate…”I always said it was a terror attack, check the transcript Candy”.
Obama’s Rose Garden statement on September 12 was a generic observation about “terrorism” and wasn’t applied specifically to the events of the day before.
In a 60 Minutes interview that wasn’t aired (also around september 12) Obama actually was more forthcoming that Benghazi was terrorism, in complete contradiction to his public spewings for the ensuing 2 weeks, including 6 references to “the video” in his dumb remarks at the UN.
The coverup has been about hiding the sharing of classified information with campaign officials who don’t have the proper clearance.
A couple of months ago, there was a story about jarrett sitting in on meetings where she, lacking proper security clearances, had no business being.
I have no doubt that all kinds of these shenanigans and violations have gone on in the Obama régime.
Holder & Obama have gotten away with so much, probably consider themselves inviolable by now.
They ARE untouchable now. Unless video emerges of Obama sawing someone’s head off with a scimitar…there will NOT be an impeachment. After the Clinton debacle, even the boneheads in the GOP are smart enough to figure out that impeaching a President when you have absolutely no hope of getting a 2/3 vote to convict in the Senate is madness. And you can rest assured that nothing that can possibly come out of these hearings will convince the Democrats in the Senate to remove Obama. Obama is not Nixon…and he isn’t going anywhere (not least because NOBODY wants Crazy Joe in the Oval Office).
A few months ago, I wrote that Obama could blow up DC and, after the initial shock wore off, the media would go into hyper-mode saying how that was a good move.
Obama’s baldfaced lying on Benghazi (enlisting his surrogates for same) is testament to how confident he feels about getting away with this kind of crap.
The republican party appears incapable of foiling this stuff.
Really? Could we really be any worse off with Crazy Joe?
At least I don’t believe he wants the country to crumble, though he may be naive and easily led.
No, they are not untouchable. Perhaps one could recall the exchange between Governeur Morris and Benjamin Franklin at the constitutional convention?
At the end of it, Governeur Morris had no objections to impeachment.
You get it, but so many here choose not to. Obama could hold a press conference and say:
“Yeah I lied to get re-elected. It worked suckers. I watched them die on camera, denied them help, then went to bed for my fundraiser. I slept soundly because getting me re-elected was way more important for this country than a few bumps in the road. You mad bro?”
and his supporters on the street, in the media, and in congress would clap and cheer wildly. The scandals already verifiable about Obama would have taken him down, or made him unelectable, were he Republican. The combination of unconditional full media support, the race card, and the insanity of his supporters, gives him a coating that makes teflon look sticky. If he ate a baby on live national television the media would praise him for having the courage to proudly display his african roots. Obama could make a video of him and his buddies raping children in the oval office and post it to YouTube, but the establishment still would not allow him to be impeached and removed. It. Will. Not. Happen.
Secretly the media is probably praying to god that the house Republicans are dumb enough to try impeaching him over Bengazi (or anything else for that matter). That would give them something to distract people from the abysmal failure of his policies. If Obama were smart, some time in his second term when he needs a boost, he’d let just enough leak on Bengazi to get house Republicans to try an impeachment. Then the full fury of his media attack machine could be unleashed. It would be a full on orgy of screaming racism and pointing fingers, and it would work. I just pray the house Republicans are not retarded enough to fall for it.
Ruppersberger needs his memory refreshed,
September 14, ABC News’ John R. Parkinson and Sunlen Miller report: The attack that killed four Americans in the Libyan consulate began as a spontaneous protest against the film “The Innocence of Muslims,” but Islamic militants who may have links to Al Qaeda used the opportunity to launch an attack, CIA Director David Petreaus told the House Intelligence Committee today according to one lawmaker who attended a closed-door briefing. Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, the top Democrat on the House Intel committee, said Petraeus laid out “a chronological order exactly what we felt happened, how it happened, and where we’re going in the future.” “In the Benghazi area, in the beginning we feel that it was spontaneous – the protest- because it went on for two or three hours, which is very relevant because if it was something that was planned, then they could have come and attacked right away,” Ruppersberger, D-Md., said following the hour-long briefing by Petraeus. “At this point it looks as if there was a spontaneous situation that occurred and that as a result of that, the extreme groups that were probably connected to al Qaeda took advantage of that situation and then the attack started.”
From the NYT article last May on Obama’s kill list,
David Axelrod, the president’s closest political advisor, began showing up at the “Terror Tuesday” meetings, his unspeaking presence a visible reminder of what everyone understood: a successful [terrorist] attack would overwhelm the president’s other aspirations and achievements.
In the ABC This Week interview with Jake Tapper on the Sunday show 9/16, Amb. Rice stayed on watered down talking points early almost verbatim…opening statement so to speak.. but later under tougher questioning went past “currently available information”. Starting @4:20 She unequivocally stated “let’s be clear about what transpired here” that Benghazi was a “direct result” of the video. She got defensive and went off on her own. I’d like to ask her, what talking points did she prefer…the watered down version or her own?
A can’t miss talking point @6:40 “Heavily armed mobsters”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bxf77xQ_NLU#!
We are going up against a disturbingly coordinated media effort to protect the president here. See Breitbart Big Journalism today. It’s downright scary how they are attacking every messenger. This is instead of asking really basic simple questions like “Why did you blame the video?” Why is no one pointing out that we are 100% free to make videos critical of Islam? Why are they patronizingly accepting responsibilty for the savage behaviour of others?
I’m creeped out by the media more than ever. This distortion and collusion is un-American.
” Why is no one pointing out that we are 100% free to make videos critical of Islam?”
Tell that to Bakoula Nassily Bakoula who languishes in jail for alleged probation violations; he’s the one who published that anti-Islamic video that no one watched but was blamed by these liars as the cause of the Benghazi attacks. I never thought that carrying the water for jihadists here in the US would reach such a level.
Anyone who by now does not realize that the Obama Campaign IS the Obama Administration simply hasn’t been paying attention.
Winner!
DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!
The truth will not come out. The administration and the media now know that they own a super-majority of brainwashed nuts who couldn’t care less about national security, the economy, anything…
We are behind the iron curtain.
PS
Thank you and congrats to the PJM crew that tries and tries and tries again…
Axelrod and Susan Rice were the bagmen for the blowback of the atrocities.
The media are co-conspirators, nothing less.
The evil and radical cabal has a Pandora’s box of scandals it has unleashed on America and her closest allies.
We quiver and quake at the notion that someone might call us “tinfoil hat wearers” and we make tempered, soft, tepid, parsed, hyper-qualified statements that maybe, sorta, kinda…this doesn’t smell right.
When we finally grow a spine, maybe we will follow Stanley Kurtz’ revelations. This is no accident. It is not suspicious coincidence.
This is intentional. And pure evil.
I see a bad moon arisin’.
We are in the full stranglehold of tyranny.
I fear that Susan Rice may become too much of a distraction.
Everyone needs to shift their focus back to where it belongs… the White House. No aspect of this cover-up would have been even remotely possible without the complete knowlege and the direct involvement of the Oval Office.
Everyone also needs to keep digging. It may not take much more for this scandal to reach critical mass and tip the scales.
Barry (acting as Sir Galahad to the girlz who serve him), I believe, would dearly love a sycophant such as the babbling Rice to replace Hillary.
Thus the move has come about to rehabilitate Rice the liar, Obama’s in his press conference day before yesterday (blame me, not Suzie) the remarks yesterday of CA Congressman Brad Sherman on her behalf and the remarks today from 10 Congresswomen saying that bashing Susan is “sexist and racist”.
Rice’s role in the Benghazi cover up is not irrelevant.
Hilary Clinton said someone would have to ask Amb. Rice who briefed her that day. Amb. Rice is a White House cabinet member.
That’s a pretty simple question and not a distraction. Simple question for Sec. Clinton too when she finally testifies…after all they had the “same information”.
The other cabinet members involved should also be asked if they had the “same information” and where it came from. That’s not a national secret.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/16/rice-my-talking-points-were-purely-a-function-of-what-was-provided-to-us-by-intelligence/
How’s the Clapper vision of “fully integrated Intelligence Community” working out for you?
What questions did those highly paid/resource rich cabinet members ask about intelligence that was being provided to them? Their pay should be docked till that investigation gets done.
Please…please…
…..can we simply tear ourselves away from these several ambitious, climbing women in this “administration” along with those two (that we seem to know of right now) women associated inside the Military and trying to climb socially inside the McDill Officers’ Club networking aspects of the Military….leveraging their nearness [no pun intended] to the Director of Central Intelligence….and concentrate solely upon the Benghazi murder/sodomizing of our Ambassador, and then the heroic efforts of those who apparently defied orders to help, or attempt to help on that murderous scene at our Consulate Buildings?
Why have we been so diverted from Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi…itself?
Argh!!!!!! I have been banging my head trying to get word out on this. People, this administration supports the OICs effort to have blasphemy criminalized. The video was manna from heaven for them. The OIC is concentrating its efforts in the Human Rights Council in the UN, and that’s why they trotted out the UN ambassador rather than someone from State. Obviously, they had additional motivation to hide a terror attack but the main story here is the attempt to suppress first amendment rights.
By the time he spoke to the UN, someone (probably at OLC) had informed our ‘constitutional scholar that blasphemy laws and the first amendment don’t mix.
I’m sure there’s lots more going on in Benghhazi, the CIA were there to clean up the arsenal unleashed when Ghadafi was toppled, but the main point of pushing the bad, bad, bad video was to give them an opening to introduce ‘hate speech’ laws. Just like they used Fast and Furious to try to restrict our gun rights.
…but the main point of pushing the bad, bad, bad video was to give them an opening to introduce ‘hate speech’ laws
Remember Obama’s words at the UN, 2 weeks after Benghazi.
“The future does not belong to those who insult the Prophet of Islam.”
3 days after the election, the video maker was sentenced to a one year jail term for “probation violation”. Obama’s CAIR buddies were thrilled.
(“While we’re at it, we’ll be working with the FCC to shut down those who insult the Prophet of Socialism, me.”)
We’ve been stationed at embassies twice. Trust me, within two hours a report of an attack has to be on the President’s desk. This White House is way dirtier than Nixon’s.
Thanks , Fiscal Cliff. You may be on to something here and we are looking into it.
You have my email – shoot me questions if you wish. This is too important to leave to the Republican party.
When will the SIT ROOM transcript be requested (and provided)?
When will someone – anyone – get around to asking Petraeus – Clinton – Rice – or anyone present in the situation room – who was it that ordered that there be no response to the attacks on the Embassy? To be blunt – American soil – as are all US Embassies around the world.
I’m sure we all know the answer to that question but lets hear it from those who were there. Which rat leaving the sinking hulk will squeak first? Asking for immunity of course. Will that happen? Ya never know.
If we get the government we deserve… what heinous crime did we commit to deserve this one?
4 decades of conscientious dumbing down in America’s public schools, creating the ideal population for the rat agenda
A distracted and self-indulgent population, not minding the store
“Eternal vigilance (really is) is the price of liberty.”
We allowed a media to rape our information stream, a Hollywood to slander our culture and a school system to brainwash our children.
These seeds germinated into a Democratic Party that is filled with tyranny and treason, a media that won’t hold them accountable and instead conspires with them, a Republican Party that can’t/won’t confront them, a “victim class” that are entitlement junkies and “oppression hucksters” and a military that is about to be gutted.
That sound you hear is freedom’s death rattle.
No you knuckle dragger—the youth of the U.S. are getting smarter–more educated. THAT is why they do not listen to your paranoid drivel.
There’s a difference between technology quotient and intelligence quotient, much less critical thinker. Back at you Alinsky baby
You stupid lefty punks are getting credentialed, not educated. Few of you have the practical skill to pour pee out of a boot with instructions on the heel.
Well, as the leftists destroy our economy with their One World Socialist inanity, what we need are more POETS to cure the ruin.
Since facts are like kryptonite to super-d-bags, this will probably go over your lice-filled head, but try to keep up with the adults here, Mini-Marx.
The Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs commissioned a civic education poll among public school students. A surprising 77% didn’t know that George Washington was the first President; couldn’t name Thomas Jefferson as the author of the Declaration of Independence, and only 2.8% of the students actually passed the citizenship test. Along similar lines, the Goldwater Institute of Phoenix did the same survey and only 3.5% of students passed the civics test.
The American Association of State Colleges and Universities report on education shows that the U.S. ranks second among all nations in the proportion of the population aged 35-64 with a college degree, but 19th in the percentage of those aged 25-34 with an associates or high school diploma, which means that for the first time, the educational attainment of young people will be lower than their parents’.
Researcher Kyung Hee Kim at the College of William & Mary analyzed 300,00 Torrance Creativity Test scores of children and adults in the US. Kim found creativity and IQ scores rose steadily until 1990, and were in decline thereafter, and the most serious decline occurring for the youngest children.
In 1966-67, approximately 1.4 million students who took the verbal portion of the S.A.T and a score of 700 or more was achieved by 33,000 students. In 1986-87 over 1.8 million students took the test and a score of 700 or higher was attained by fewer than 14,000.
A new global study of educational systems in major nations ranks U.S. 15 year olds 14th in the world in reading skills, 17th in science and 25th (below average) in math.
According the 2009 National Assessment of Educational Progress, 68% of public school children in the U.S. do not read proficiently by the time they finish third grade. And the U.S. News & World reported that barely 50% of students are ready for college level reading.
Of the 21 countries participating in the Third International Mathematics and Science Study, American high school seniors did better than only 2 countries–Cyprus and South Africa.
According to the National Endowment for the Arts report in 1982, 82% of college graduates read novels or poems for pleasure; two decades later only 67% did. And more than 40% of Americans under 44 did not read a single book–fiction or nonfiction–over the course of a year. The proportion of 17 year olds who read nothing (unless required by school ) has doubled between 1984-2004.
So you nose-pickers aren’t quite as smart as you pretend to be. The FACTS seem to indicate that we are not only smarter, wiser and more informed…but we are less indoctrinated into lying about it…on top of your being arrogant about your cult-like zombie existence.
Again, you are probably too thick to follow, but move your lips and read some facts outside of your Howard Zinn fictional history primer.
You are confusing the ability to do such simple things as operate an ipod with intelligence. That one got me laughing! Most of the generation you’re claiming as smart can’t even find their own state on a US map. Israel? Maybe 1 in 10. Dumbed down maybe thanks to the US education system but not smart or intelligent.
Tough to sort out what we knew and when did we know it. The younger generation is going to hell; the evidence is irrefutable…and has been for a couple thousand years.
This may be one of the most ignorant statements I’ve ever read. Ask any employer or teacher who has had the opportunity to witness at least two generations of 20 somethings. This is most un-educated generation America has yet to produce. My high school education (class of 1975) from a rural NC public high school was intellectually superior to what’s coming out of most universities today, and employers and real educators know it.
I suspect that you are mistaking knowing how to maneuver around an iPhone or create iTunes playlists with intelligence.
Pathetic.
You know, maybe “some tens of millions of murdered babies” could be an answer…
Best hypothesis here. In fact, simple calculations show that if a significant fraction of those abortions had come to term and grown up to pay taxes, social security would be fiscally much sounder. A growing population combined with a social-security type ponzi scheme is a ponzi scheme that works, because there are always more young adults paying in than there are old adults cashing out
In fact when there is a relative shortage of young adults, it’s hard to conceive of any social or economic arrangement where the relative surplus of old adults — old adults who did not as a group have and raise enough children when young — can be adequately cared for.
Or would they be collecting unemployment?
Population stupidity. Mostly self-inflicted.
Tanstaafl said: “The republican party appears incapable of foiling this stuff.”
True enough, perhaps it’s time we stop pretending the GOP is still relevant.
I think there is something to the “government by cabal” theory, but I don’t think that it is operating in service to the president. Quite the opposite. I have always suspected that Obama is just a puppet who is fronting for the powerful hidden interests that were responsible for his almost magical ascent to ever higher offices. It may actually be true that Obama didn’t know anything about Benghazi, because the cabal doesn’t trust him with that kind of information.
This pathological narcissist must be thinking that he is the only one pulling all the strings. But a hyper-self-conscious character behaves in somewhat predictable and partly robotic ways, as narcissists must (otherwise they could be clear thinkers), and therefore is inherently vulnerable to manipulation by string pullers of superior virtuosity, and by people who have mastered the art of flattery with perfect timing when saying “yes sir!” just at the critical moment when the train of words masking the train of thought takes a “strategic” turn. The Valerie-Michelle-Hillary-Susan quadrangle could well be at the crux of all the big set of pulleys in this deadly tangle-jungle.
[cuckoo clock sound]
Again…please, let’s have no more of..”The Valerie-Michelle-Hillary-Susan quadrangle could well be at the crux of all the big set of pulleys in this deadly tangle-jungle.”
Let’s get back on the scene at Benghazi. Apparently th’Media were there promptly, then the attention drifted away from the Consulate’s ashes to the honey-pots. Damn them. Let’s not permit ourselves to be led around by the nose by th’Media…..that’s what I thought PJMedia was for….the investigative parts.
If Obama didn’t know, he should have known and if he didn’t know because his puppet masters didn’t want him to know, he should still fall on this sword.
I sincerely hope the push for answers doesn’t let up, that the American public keeps the pressure on, that a tsunami of questions crashes over the White House over and over again.
I’m not an American, otherwise I’d be writing my senator and congress wo/man (are they the two I would have voted for?) to ask for — no, demand — answers to the Benghazi scandal. It’s a calumny which is much more serious than Watergate and needs to be exposed; heads need to roll. Four American lives have been sacrificed to the Narcissist-in-Chief’s shady re-election and an administration which might well have been co-operating with and encouraging America’s enemies in the Middle East.
Someone could write a book or a blockbuster Hollywood movie.
Chris @ 16,
“I’m creeped out by the media more than ever. This distortion and collusion is un-American.”
Alas, no. This is what has become of America. To right this will require fundamental repair to our culture, and will not be achieved during my life. Chin up! We have work ahead of us.
“A few months ago, I wrote that Obama could blow up DC and, after the initial shock wore off, the media would go into hyper-mode saying how that was a good move.”
NYT: “Obama reinterprets Urbam Renewal, Blacks and Women are the Beneficiaries”
Would somebody please tell me how we know what Petraeus briefed after the attack? All I have seen is second hand stuff. It seems like conservatives bit on this hard and are trashing Petraeus. We all know full well how the media works but when one of our own is the target, we are the first to eat it up. Im pretty sick of it actually.
He is a Democrat as well as his wife, but also a user of the system, but it now seems that the democrats are failing him. at least he should get his retirement pay at rank but possibly his wife will say differently…whoa what is going on here even I can not say but we that continue to survive this administration and its aftermath will know that this is a perilous time in our nations history!
Maybe I’m mistaken, but I thought Petraeus’ name was being tossed around as a Republican presidential candidate once upon a time. I’m pretty sure he’s registered as a Republican.
Simon is sourcing a commenter on Breitbart.com? Seriously? Wow! The bubble lining is way stronger than I would have thought.
Uh…ahem, Mr. Ed (pun, I’m afraid, wholly intended),
You made a comment w/r/t Simon highlighting a comment from Breitbart. In fact, your remark was rather disparaging.
Simon didn’t “source” this as a theme to his article. Nor did he “source” it to back up any fundamental point.
Quite the opposite. Simon shone a light on the comment as a bit of speculation that appears not wholly unfounded (but likely only to a non-liberal, sorry).
Simon deftly used the comment as a way of pointing the readers further along in this brewing bucket of Borscht known as Benghazi.
The point being that Simon employed the comment effectively and in a “transparent” manner. He did so mainly to suggest a direction for readers to take in considering the proximate cause of the Benghazi debacle.
The only path to the truth are inside whistleblowers who will reveal exactly what happened with inside documentation and the families of our deceased fallen heroes, who every day hounds the WH, the Press and Congress for answers.
Nope. Get a good prosecutor, put all the main players under oath, and you would have the truth in no time.
Prove it. If this was a GOP administration, there would have been hearings before the election, with whistleblowers left and right. The GOP has no backbone. Where are our Pelosi’s, Schummer’s, on down the line in our party?, we should be hammering the press on all stations 24/7. GOP is a party of wimps. We should switch back to the WHIG party..the GOP is tained, almost dead and buried. When Fat Boy Christie falls for the Obama bait and switch photo op and then puts Springstein on the phone and Christie cries for his hero, I knew the gig was up. We’ll cave on taxes on the 2%,raising debt limit 2 Trillion, Fast and Furious, Benghazi,MF Global, Billions to green companies through chronies and bundlers, card check, voter fraud, ID to vote, LTC West fraud vote count,on and on. It’s over we’re a Despodic Nation. Break the country up.
Oaths only mean something to the people to whom oaths mean something. I’ve been lied to and evade by witnesses under oath a bazillion times; some do it really well, some not so much.
Round up some of the ones just below the perp/policymaker level and threaten them with jail and dismissal, do it to some of them and when mama starts worrying about the mortgage payment, they’ll sing like canaries. That’s what ought to happen with F&F as well even if some innocents or even good guys are colateral damage. People have to be made more afraid of the investigation than of the government, and they should be damned afraid of the government.
The fear of losing a political seat and being targeted in re election prevents what you are suggesting.
I figured the ‘blame-the-video’ meme came out and was pushed because ‘it was al-quaeda’ would blow the whole ‘I killed Osama Bin Laden and defeated the terrorists’ idea out of the water.
This leading into a mostly-base election with a LOT of low-information voters. It was the voters who were the targets of the cover-up.
What about this thought where does it belong? The video had thousands of Islam people out in public and the number may have gone through the roof if it wasn’t for the great human sacrifice of these 4 in a 3rd world country. what about this feeling if it belongs here? there are tens of thousands of Islam people going to bed hungry and hungry day after day I imagine is a reason to get angry and not once have one of my children felt hunger.
All they have to trust in is God and the prophet God gave them. What great arrogance to destroy their only hope of a better day and what do you think God has planned for you in the afterlife yet how do you know this great arrogance will not bring a great future curse of poverty on your nation?
Repent because I notice as much as I pray for my nation and become the human sacrifice then God lets me enter the holy heaven free from pain in the holy spirit yet now I am limping every day in pain as If I am cast in hell where you may be going arrogant ones and this pain is still taken away as I enter heaven but i see it can cross the thresshold and no longer am i capable to be the sacrifice for the nation’s great sins so REPENT REpent Repent
and when I enter the Wise King solomn temple I was struck by the Great truth how Solomon is just a tool and I cross over and it was no longer Solomon’s temple but the temple the King Of Heaven sanctuary where there is no democracy and then when I go to the great thrones of Hell I see the queen of sheba is only tool pointing to the Queen Of Heaven then I see the prehuman world of the father the mother and the roaming holy spirit beneath them and the great grace upon us still by way of the son and if heaven plans to create human beings as gods there must be a beginning and there must be a way of ending this so it is nice to know in the “invisible ” as much as humans play god they are not the deciders of how long this lasts since pain takes over every human god exposing the great beasts behind the human
Know them by their fruits. Having faith does not mean you countenance evil.
One claim somewhere in all this mess is that the CIA’s talking points were sanitized to reference “extremists” instead of Ansar al-Sharia and/or Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb so that the bad guys wouldn’t know we were hot on their trail.
Hot on the trail of no one who has been arrested so far ?
One of Barack’s many democrat apologists (Rep. Adam Smith, D-Wash) today claims that an Ansar al-Sharia connection is still being “investigated”.
Honey trap is the oldest trick in the book.
Read David and Batsheva.
Now we will never know. Layers of betrayal are like a spider web.
On September 14th, Petraus was still under the thumb of the Obama administration, an administration that was fully aware of his extramarital affair. Now he’s under no ones thumb and is better able to communicate the truth. Petraus isn’t the bad guy here…
Folks,
Another example of making a mountain over a mole hill….wher was the republican indignation when Condeleeza lied about the WMD and the mushroom cloud and as a result we had 8 years of war thousands dead and injured and our national treasure wasted?
Regards,
Sam
Well, that was just liberals being political. Republicans are doing this because they care about four dead people, who died as a result of the White House editing talking points.
Political Consultants beware. Editing talking points is now a felony.
Anyone remember Valerie Plame?
C’mon, get with the program! The WMD assertions and the denials about Iran-Contra were “patriotic lies,” not to be confused with treacherous lies.
A statement that turns out later to be false, based on flawed intelligence, is an incorrect prediction, which is not the same as a lie. And that will remain true, not matter how many times brainwashed leftists assert the contrary.
Ah, it was only a matter of time before the real reason surfaced for the indifference of the Left to the blatant lying to avoid recognizing that Islamic terrorists are at war with the United States of America (and the reason for the overwhelmingly racist voting by Blacks and Latinos in the Presidential election): Revenge. An eye for an eye. And beneath even that — insane fear of a demonized Right.
Bravo, Roger! Kudos to KatDaddyKSC too. Keep up the excellent work.
OK, so it was dumb to put Susan Rice on Face the Nation. And? So? There’s no here here. Just a bunch of bullshit innuendo.
Interesting quoting a commenter as media meme/fabric.
Are we going to put Axelrod in the Star Chamber ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Chamber
Who will preside as head magistrate of said Star Chamber to find out who changed the official story during an election – I guess Obama & Ms. Rice just read what they were told on the teleprompter ???
Interagency Review!!!
Ha! Ha! Ha!
That’s a good one…
You;l have to ask the FBI according to Jay Carney in timing issues.
It is time for Paula to weigh in – who told her about the secret detentions?
How did Petraeus lie about his affair? He officially outed himself. Furthermore, it is not a crime to have an affair. Next, it is clear that he was blackmailed. He was not going to play ball with Obama on Benghazi so he was forced out with the only piece of dirt they had on him. They thought the blackmailing threat would shut him up, but he then outed himself. Now the WH wishes to grow the scandal in order to discredit Petraeus in the eyes of the American people. Like yourself, who now call him slimy.
Finally!! I have been waiting for someone to comment on how improper it was for the campaign to have such an obvious say in running the government! At one point Stephanie Cutter even said “we” when she was commenting on an Administration decision about Benghazi – I was shocked that no one picked u on it!
I keep wondering if this whole damned thing wasn’t a setup. Did Broadwell — good name, considering — infiltrate, so to speak, Petraeus’s space? Whose idea was it for her to write his biography? Just hers?
And, what about Mark Basseley Youssef? Is there a silver lining to his being jailed for a year, not for his Muslim-inciting video on Mohammed, as it turns out, but for his not obeying a court order to stay off the Internet? Did someone pay him to make the video and keep quiet? Is there a pot of gold at the end of his one-year prison term?
Someone should check these things out. ‘Not sure who’d they report to if there was some truth in these theories. But, truth for truth’s sake often brings dividends.
You think any of this will matter?
I’m expecting the PRESS to begin agitating for either the retroactive repeal of term limits, or for the suspension of elections until the economy is back on its feed.
They’re not going to investigate anything that harms their True Won.
Hillary Clinton Admits the U.S. Government Created al-Qaeda Published on Apr 10, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifZK6SVlQ1Y&feature=related
Photos of U.S. and Afghan Troops Patrolling Poppy Fields June 29, 2012
http://publicintelligence.net/us-afghan-patrolling-poppy-fields-2012/
It is incredible to me that Nixon was forced to resign over Watergate and yet Obama appears to be made of Teflon on this. I don’t recall anyone dying over Watergate. Can you image the seizures the press would be having if Bush had watched those people die without trying to help them, went to bed and then happily went to a Vegas fundraiser the next day? The fact that the left sees nothing wrong with Obama’s actions speaks volumes about their current moral state.
I hate to say it but the current political climate in the US is looking more and more like good vs evil all the time.
Well said, thank you.
the press watched 3000 civilians die on american soil under Bush and acted quite responsibly. neither the press nor democrats had an orgasm of politicization like you are going through. congratulations.
I don’t know where we’re headed, but things are definitely speeding up.
McCain is right. Congress needs a select committee that can take testimony under oath from all the main players.
In the meantime, Rice should identify who gave her the talking points. If that trail leads to a campaign operative, as Roger suggests, then a Watergate style select committee is absolutely necessary.
the source has been identified. it’s not a political operative. and just because “roger” “suggests” it doesn’t mean it’s true.
the reason your furious conspiracy-mongering hasn’t caught any traction is that the public actually reads the news and knows more facts than you do.
The entire event timeline is damning. Just a few highlights:
- Two weeks of “it’s the video” from Obama and every Obot
- HRC’s unprompted declaration they’d get the video producer
- Obama & HRC run ads in Pohk-ee-stahn disclaiming/blaming the video
- Unreleased clips where Barry implies Benghazi might be a terrorist attack
- The pre-orchestrated Crowley-Obama “ambush” of Romney in the debates
- 10 days of bombshell revelations blatantly delayed until after the election
Personally, I’d like to see a raw count of how many times Obama, the Obots and media blamed the video.
They lied. They knew they were lying, and they all colluded to sell it long enough to steal the election.
“government by cabal, a super-government composed of David Axelrod, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, and possibly a few others who operated, in the service of the president, above and beyond our legal and constitutional systems”…. they’ve been doing this for 4 years on plain site.
Obama and his minions will tell every lie at their disposal to slither out of responsibility and accountability for the Benghazi calumny. That’s their stock in trade.
There’s a saying, however:
Oh, what a tangled web we weave
When we practice to deceive.
I hope and pray that the Obamanation and his enablers become entangled in all of the lies they’re telling and are finally caught out, because they’re not going to be able to keep them all straight if the pressure mounts to get answers. I sincerely hope that Americans keep the pressure on their Congress(wo)men and Senators and don’t let up.
I may be alone on this, but I think that the bulk of the White House probably didn’t know about the CIA report. Only Obama, Biden, and probably Panetta knew what was really happening other than the CIA. So who changed the information to Rice? Hillary Clinton and the State Department. THEY are the ones that are going to look the worse in all of this. THEY were the ones who turned down the ambassador’s request for more security in Benghazi and THEY were the ones that ignored his cries for help on 9/11. Maybe Hillary changed it to make sure she and the State Department were not primarily to blame. And with Hillary being so quiet about all of this, I think she thinks here neck is on the line. And if Obama can do it, he will be happy to throw her under the bus, especially now that she’s leaving the administration.
I don’t really care that the Administration lied about why the consulate was attacked – they will continue to successfully obfuscate until we all get tired of it.
The important questions for me:
Who reduced security prior to 9/11/12 in spite of clearly escalating uncertainty and threats?
Who failed to reinforce security prior to 9/11/12 after requests by our diplomats and diplomatic security staff in spite of well known escalating uncertainty and threats?
Who failed to ACT once the attack began? We should have had troops and armed aircraft orbiting Benghazi within an hour waiting for the CINC to authorize a counter attack.
Who instructed the CIA folks to “stand down?”
All those folks should be fired and prosecuted!
What a relief that the CIA director is only a liar and not too incompetent to recognize a terrorist attack watched in realtime! I have had to turn off the tv because listening to one more of
Obama’s cabal pretend to believe this garbage is bad for my health. Wake up America,
we have no national security because every intelligence official is a pawn of the Liar/Coward-
In-Chief.
I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for the identity of the person or persons who altered the CIA’s reports.
The White House will say “they’re looking into it,” Obama’s lapdogs in the media will say “that’s fine with us!” and everyone will break for the holidays and we’ll never hear about this again.
Hey, how do y’all feel about the 9-11 truth movement now?
I remember a different reaction from conservatives when liberals questioned how Bush let 9-11 happen. I guess it makes sense, y’all hate Obama more than you love your own credibility.
Still, didn’t Joe Wilson say there was no Yellowcake in Iran? I wonder who edited the talking points that led us to war with Iraq…hmmmm.
A couple of lifetimes ago, we( I as a very junior) used to have rehearsed codewords when in the company of CIA. Various common words would mean he’s lying. We also practiced exit plans amongst ourselves and unknown to the CIA, although they were in on the official exit/emergency plans. We always had one of our riding in with the agency for extractions. Armed. Our guy would put if needed the gun to the agency guy.
This was all developed from experience.
I guess things don’t change. ( no offense to anybody, honest ).
This whole article is based on a false premise. It would be nice if you had researched it thoroughly. The report upon which Rice formulated her comments was NOT ALTERED by anyone. The CIA report in question in your article was one of several from different agencies. The information in this report along with the others was then integrated I to the final report which was presented to Rice as well as ranking members of the intelligence senate committee.
There is NO real story here. But, GOP, go ahead and keep on chewing on this bone. The only taste left in your mouth is that of your own blood.
Moderate republicans will never line up behind McCain and co. because they are distancing themselves from the crazies. They have integrated the results of the election and the reasons why they lost.
Funny how liberals will hold candle night vigils for convicted rapists and murders on death row but they won’t when a guys exercises his right of free speech buy making a video trailer and is put away for a pathetic parole violation. Al Sharpton where are you. Resist we much.
You do realize that Gen. David Petraeus gave at least two version of the same event, and his “version(s)” is the “smoking gun” relied upon? Wow! Some of you people are Psychotics.
Sorry, but Petraeus aside, the president had the correct “version” on his desk 72 hours after the events. And yet the lies and obfuscation continued for two weeks. And do you think it’s possible the general was being a “good soldier” when he reported to Congress with his original “version”? He, after all, did have something significant hanging over his head.
You know, the people in the WH know what happened and when it happened (and so do a lot of people at State, Defense and Justice). They know why they found it necessary to lie to the public. You obviously believe they were justified. So, why don’t they just tell us and put these matters to rest? I’m afraid the “psychosis” is among those insisting that, in fact, there’s nothing to know and we should stop wasting everybody’s time and move on from these immaterial matters.
There’s something else that is very disturbing but gets little attention – why was security weakened in the weeks before the attack, and who authorized it? The “budget cuts” excuse won’t fly. The added cost would have been minimal, and it shouldn’t have been too hard to find a way to cover it. A standard government screw up in not authorizing additional security would be one thing, but it seems to have been confirmed that protection was actually reduced, despite the concerns of embassy personnel. Why?
As a conservative I was angry with Nixon, but the fact that the media followed it and Congress investigated it helped make me believe that citizens would see justice. People went to jail over that cover-up of a 3rd rate burglary and a President resigned. Now with Fast and Furious, where hundreds of Mexicans died as well as 2 American officers, and the Benghazi murders after proper security was denied, the media is not interested and the Democrats drag their feet and protect the President. I am so dang angry because no one seems willing to hold my government officials accountable. I am having difficulty containing my rage because few seemly want justice.
Surely you did not forget that Nixon was a Republican; that made all the difference…..
I just want to make it clear that no matter what Lindsey Graham does, he will be challenged by the Tea Party in the GOP primary in 2014.
ha.
The victor writes history, so you can be damned sure it won’t be obama’s fault.
It’s more likely he’ll get the Medal of Honor than get the blame for the murder and rape of a US ambasador that he caused, and even worse, allowed to happen WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING for the corrupt and evil reason that the truth about Libya would interrupt the only thing he cares about…his reelection and the destruction of the United States of America.
yes, there is an anti-christ. He never lost a minute of sleep.
He already received the Pre-Emptive Nobel Peace Prize.
If the chief law enforcement officer in the land, the President, cannot be held to account under the law, then no one can. The U.S. has, essentially, become a lawless country under this president.
Congress passes laws and the President enforces them. Obama does not enforce the law; he breaks the law with apparent impunity. Every American citizen should be feeling less secure and very much less confident that their government has their best interests at heart.
It would appear that the POTUS is willing to break any law that is inconvenient to his agenda and that there’s very little anyone can do about it. I hope that the families of the four murdered Americans keep Obama’s feet to the fire because there’s very little chance that Obama’s sycophants in the MSM will.
This state of affairs, with the President of the United States flouting the law on multiple fronts, is appalling and scary, as is the media’s Fifth-Column acquiescence to this perfidy.
A president who “leads” outside the law.
A media that not only turns a blind eye but provides free PR for the POTUS.
Doesn’t this sound a lot like a dictatorship?
Nothing to see. keep walking.
Did any of us really think Petraeus would go against the White House? Or Obama? LOL………………
Petraeus should come clean, but he won’t.
Obama will get away with the murder of 4 Americans in BEnghazi.
A small note. The attack at Benghazi was NOT a terrorist attack.
It was a military operation by enemy forces.
I really don’t want to use bogus terminology here. Part of our problem is the language we choose to use to discuss the war we have been in since November 1979.
This has Axelrod written all over it.
He is totally without scruples and and admitted left wing idealist.
One of Herman Cain’s bimbo eruptions turned out to live in Axelrod’s condo building and turned out to have financial problems….hmmmmm, Axelrod’s finger prints.
Axelrod helped Obama destroy all of his opponents in Illinois outside the ballot box.
This is SOP for the lowdown scumbag Axelrod.
Jarrett.
“Who Is Responsible for Benghazi?”
Obama. Whether he gave the stand-down order himself, or he demurred to one of his secretaries or czars to give it, it is Obama who is responsible. And it is he who must pay.
Who is Responsible for Benghazi?
Isn’t it obvious — Bush.
A “different recollection”? What the hell?? Don’t they have minutes or transcripts of these briefings? It’s a little disconcerting to think such matters can boil down to “did not” “did too.”
I fear we will never know who altered the intelligence or what the president knew and when he knew it. And I worry that the furor over the aftermath and cover-up will divert too much attention away from the actual events. Getting to the bottom of both is important, of course, but it’s of greater import to know what happened in Benghazi and why and what didn’t happen and why. Obama is probably delighted to have on focus on the aftermath as no doubt everyone involved kept him well insulated. But there’s no insulating him from his duties as president and CIC or the fact that there are some orders only he can give.
If it hasn’t been noted; the politicalization of all this crap was Obama. Stepk Cutter is a hack. The only people ever on meet the press et.al. besides Rice, was Axelstash-Carney-Gibbs-Cutter-and Plooof! Political hacks all.
The thing that strikes me about this administration is that they are so amoral they are capable of *anything*.
If Satan popped out of the ground and told Obama that he could seize dictatorial power and make Obama emperor for life if only he’d nuke a couple American cities, this cabal would do it. No hesitation.
They are also starting to feel more and more invincible in that they can do no wrong in the eyes of the media. Obama could behead the video maker with a scimitar on live national television and his supporters would probably cheer.
Combine these two factors and I don’t think most of us appreciate how dangerous the people currently in power truly are. Mark my words nothing will come of Bengazi, and it will encourage them.
David Petraeus was yesterday a hopeful GOP presidential candidate, today a slimy General, Romney once hate the poor and then love them and now hate not only the them(food stamp) women (contraception)Hispanic (free citizenship & Healthcare)Young people (Free Healthcare) and African American (food stamps & Healthcare)…
Aint you guys tired of hating? the new stupid words from your entertainment establishment is GIVERS,TAKERS, THE REAL AMERICA, WE WHITE AMERICANS…
Benghazi is ginger beer compared to Iraq.
CABAL is a good insight. But, remember that ambasador Stevens met with the ambasador of Turkey the night he died. What did they agree to on Syria? This is justa BUMP in the road. Move along citizen.
How did Axelrod “know” stuff like this? And why was he speaking for the Administration? Thanks, Roger Simon, you’re definitely on the case.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/axelrod-claims-obama-convened-top-military-officials-evening_660319.html
This is getting far too little attention by media. It is, indeed, far greater, far worse, far more despicable than Watergate was because it led to the death of four Americans who could have been saved if POTUS hadn’t been so concerned about covering up his deeds. There will need to be mass indictments for perjury and nothing less than impeachment of Obama will suffice.
Oh please! How many died because of our little WMD misunderstanding with Iraq? I will grant you the the left went wild with every little thing that GWB did after that and you guys are doing the same to Obama. BDS vs ODS…but it is still derangement.
Dwight, you are using an invalid argument. The ‘tu quoque’ argument of ‘You did it, so don’t complain when others do it’ is invalid.
If the WMD tactic was wrong, it doesn’t mean that the Obama administration should feel that it is justified in covering up Benghazi and trying to attribute it to an American made video.
The fact remains. The Obama WH deliberately tried to cover up Benghazi, which was clearly a terrorist attack, and downplay it as merely a ‘spontaneous reaction’ to an action done by, yet again, America. False. And the reason, of course, was not to tamper with the self-written Obama narrative of: Al Qaeda no longer exists because I, Obama, conquered them’.
Nothing will change what we’re seeing as abuse of power by Obama and his cohorts in crime until those who vote for him can be made to understand his goals. The Republicans, the Tea Partiers, those few Democrats who understand what’s going on are doing nothing but preaching to each other. Wasted time. Wasted breath. There must be some way to entice the black voters, the single women, even perhaps those getting handouts, Hispanics, die-hard Democrats to see the outcome of more of the Obama madness.Instead of howling and beating our chests, let us find a way to get his own people to bring him down. Hope springs eternal.
Forget about enticing this or that identity group. It is much easier to divide than entice, and Democrats in general, and Obama’s regime in particular, are masters at it. No, the only solution is to better package and sell to others, the liberty-based values that unite us as conservatives. We, as a party will NEVER be able to beat the Democrats on the phony issues of race and class, to attempt it is to step into their firing box.
Partly agree and partly disagree with your assessment. I think the last election showed us two things: it is easier to divide than unite, and that a liberty based message will no longer work with this population. They don’t want freedom, they want free stuff.
We just need to get better at doing what the democrats do. Play up the racial tensions between the hispanic and black communities, try to force a fracture among the unions and environmentalists, exploit the black population’s homophobia to drive a wedge between those core deomcratic demographics, create a false-flag third party that paints the dems as not liberal enough and siphons off some of the commie vote, use your imagination. Obama has been wildly successful by promising to unite, then working nonstop to divide. If we want to win that is a model to learn from.
Some Other Questions Not being addressed.
1. What was the ambassador doing in Benghazi? What was the mission in the first place? It wasn’t for a tourist stop.
2. How did the FBI tap,scan Patraeus and others computer, phones etc… without some kind of court order? Where did that order initiate?
3. How did the bimbos get White House access? Doesn’t someone need to approve this?
4. Where did Bimbos get the “secret” computer files?
5. Was Gen “dumb as a box of hammers” set up from the start?
worth noting…joan vennochi, boston globe.
“Unlike Rice, Kerry has credibility on Benghazi.”
her primary purpose in writing the article was to promote john kerry for sec of state, but she is let something through the cracks of the media circling the wagon.
even libs know that susan rice is damaged goods.
right now, she has two possibilities:
remain the firewall for obama’s ignorance, or attempt the sec of state gauntlet. the two events are mutually exclusive.
her appearance on the five sunday talking shows was the function of toilet paper. her promotion would set an ill standard which will hasten the decline of govt.
bold faced lies are not without consequence. unless rice is the nominee…
milbank and maureen dowd have joined the ‘damaged goods’ party. good luck with the sexism/racism meme’. someone torched her career. someone who is more valuable than rice, otherwise the ‘redactor’ would have been thrown under the bus, months ago.
when it was gop led opposition, it had a prayer. when the lib media has chosen to abandon rice, it is over.
I assumed from the first that the video story was created by Jarrett and Axelrod. Maybe Holder sat in on the session along with O.