Tonight, Sarah Palin drove another stake in the heart of those fuddy-duddy reactionaries that constitute our mainstream media. Going toe-to-toe with a senator with decades of experience, she more than held her own, giving lie to the media constructed narrative that she was an inexperienced hick from nowheresville Alaska. It demonstrates once again why the media is held in such contempt. For economic and ego reasons, they consider themselves to be our gatekeepers, but frankly they are not that smart. They are not rocket scientists – figuratively or literally. They are certainly no smarter than Sarah Palin. I would be willing to bet that in a free debate with Katie Couric, Palin would come out the victor. (Frank Luntz’s focus group saw her winning literally by acclamation over Biden.)
I actually had some sympathy for Joe Biden tonight (who we all know thinks John McCain is better than Obama anyway – he’s said so, as Palin was correct to point out). He was an aging fellow (like me) forced to debate a young and much more charismatic woman who was easily his equal. You could see in his body language that he knew it.
But if McCain-Palin actually pull this one out, it is the MSM that will be the big losers here. They have put heart and soul behind Obama without really knowing him. For shame.
(BTW, was I missing something or did that aspiring author Gwen Ifill give Biden both the first and last words? Is that legal?)
The biggest danger is to believe your own propaganda.
The media and many leftists had actually swallowed the notion that Palin was a hockey mom and no more, someone McCain picked up at a Wal-Mart just to crassly and cynically get the female and conservative vote.
I can understand why leftists believed this claptrap: Their salient characteristic is the wish-fulfillment fantasy. If they say something, it immediately becomes true.
But there’s no excuse for the media. They went to Alaska, for !@#$’s sake, and spoke to person after person who told them that Palin was a great debater who would trounce Biden.
The media KNOWS that Palin is an effective, successful governor, yet the poor idiots convinced themselves that she wasn’t.
Tonight was a great night, and more good things are coming.
After the bailout bill–oops, I mean the “rescue” bill–is passed, look to McCain and Palin unloading everything in their arsenals on the Dems for causing this mess and then lying about it.
I can’t wait.
Gov Palin did a fine job of getting her candidate’s points across and showed the mettle for the campaign.
here’s a video of Sarah Palin on horseback
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbqZxT6YIrE
The sad thing is, the meme of Palin been an in-over-her-head hick one step removed from trailer trash will now go away for about 3-4 days, and then ever so slowly, you’ll see it start creeping back into the big media’s common usage, just in the same way the Boston Globe couldn’t help itself yesterday from using the Palin rape kit story, even though it’s been debunked by several outlets even the Globe has faith in.
You’d think they’d learn their lesson from tonight, but they won’t. But if the ratings for tonight’s debate were high enough (and I suspect they were), the next time the Palin=idiot lines come out, more people should be able to see ideologically where those making the claims are coming from.
Palin was incredible. She is a star. There is no doubt in my mind, she will be president one day. If McCain loses, she is the HUGE favorite to win the nomination in 2012.
I truly do hope that the strategy is to start coming down heavy on the sleaziness of Obama and the stupidity of Biden soon. Maybe the notion is to drive it home before the Dems can come out with spin to show that 2+2=4 really isn’t true, at least when it comes to people who can stop the seas from rising.
Seems to me that if the best moderator MSM can come up with is an Obamaniac who lies about it, that would also indicate some loserliness on their part.
The biggest losers in tonite’s debate were John Gibson and Katty Couric, and their affiliate networks. And yes, the MSM.
The most dangerous is the glib incompetent.
The tangible accomplishments of Obama include uh, ah, ummm, present, …..
What floors me is how stupidly similar all the debate questions are, especially coming from “journalists” who fancy themselves as being informed and sophisticated.
CNN and ABC already had focus groups of “uncommitted” voters saying it was Biden by a landslide. I think too many of them mistook “uncommitted to candidate” for “uncommitted to an asylum”.
I’m with Tcobb. From tonight, to the election McCain, Palin and all surrogates have to take the gloves off and start hitting hard. The cool thing is, because they have the truth on their side, they don’t have to hit low. Just hard.
Sleazy Dems are all over the Fannie/Freddie Problems–McCain (and Bush, for that matter) tried to fix it years ago. They can’t let one more Dem stand up and blame the Republicans without calling that person a liar. Dems say it was deregulation, while THEY killed a Republican attempt to add some regulation. Every time a Republican is near a microphone, they need to say that.
They need to absolutely POUND Obama and the Dems about energy and the reluctance to drill. Alternatives are great, and will be welcome when they make it in the market and the infrustructure is in place to utilize them. For now, we need oil to run our economy and the people, particularly the poor and middle class are hurting paying so much for energy. Think there’s any link to high gas prices and people who were on the brink financially having to default on their loans? The Dems can’t claim to be champions of the middle class and then allow the middle class to be hammered by high energy prices. It’s complete BS. Republicans need to say so.
It seems the more you learn about Obama, the more he appears to be a real sleaze bag, and absolutely seems to be hiding a very very far leftist streak. HAMMER him. Bring it out. Don’t let a conversation with a reporter end with anything but a question: Have you looked into Obama’s association with Bill Ayers? What about that foundation they ran together? How about his connection to ACORN? And ACORN’s connection with the voter fraud, and the sub-prime crisis? Wouldn’t it be great to hear the politicians start asking the media if THEY are getting THEIR job done?
You get my point. Gloves off. Haymakers! Obama is vulnerable. Hit him.
I think Palin did well too, but the CNN and CBS polls show Biden as the winner. Those polls may be defective, but they were predictive after the first debate, very unfortunately. (Maybe self-fulfillingly, since most people don’t watch the debates, they just read about it and the polls after. Too bad.)
To me, Biden came across as more substantial (though some significant chunks of that “substance” were pseudo-facts, particularly on foreign policy/Iraq/Afghanistan), Palin as more down-to-earth and personable. Palin should have done better with the economic stuff, too, IMHO. But this will come in time.
Perhaps not in time for the election, however.
Man, do I hope I’m dead wrong.
I pray a day comes when people quit whining about the media and stop using acronyms like MSM to try and devalue what they do.
Palin was average tonight – and for that, we should be thankful. The Couric interviews were painful, and no amount of complaining can change that, but she at least showed up today.
It won’t change anything, but she didn’t do any harm – something else to be thankful for. Claims of her “mopping the floor”, etc are laughabe to anyone being honest with themselves. Accept reality, then work to change it.
Yes, the MSM had it so wrong that early polling shows a big Biden win.
Yawn. More disinformation.
If this were a VP debate against two candidates who people respected going in, Biden would have won by even bigger numbers. The only thing that kept Biden from winning by bigger than the 2-1 margins we are seeing is that most folks thought it would be 3-1.
My guess is McCain gets a slight bump in polling the next few days as the few soft McCain Repubs firm up, then it keeps going the way it is going… Obama landslide.
And the drilling idea is a red herring. I’m all for adding more drilling. But that is an tiny, tiny, tiny part of the solution. In 10 years it might be 1 or 2% of our needs. That is meaningless compared to what solar, nuclear, and wind could do in a shorter time frame (except for nuke on the timeframe).
My impression is that Biden really believes what he is saying and believes that he is doing what is best for America. It is clear that he does not know anything about Obama. If he did, I don’t think he would be there.
I have to respectfully disagree with Mr. Simon. The MSM has showed its power beyond dispute in this election. With anybody right-of-center having abandoned them already, the MSM has decided it has nothing to lose by dropping any pretense of objectivity. The result is looking like an Obama rout when, under even close-to-fair circumstances, McCain would be beating this guy (with all of his, um, flaws) by ten points.
Those who have predicted the demise of the MSM already have been proven very wrong. And it’s only going to get worse.
“In a victory of sorts, disturbing questions emerge” — tomorrow’s NYT headline atop its analysis of Palin’s performance.
Just you wait and see.
And keeping reaching for the Bill Ayers stuff. It will lead to great comedy when we start hearing about G. Gordon Liddy urging the killing of fed officers and McCain saying he is “honored” to have Liddy as a close friend.
And you can try to pin the Fannie and Freddie on the Dems, which they deserve a ton of blame, but you are going to get Phil Gramm reels all day long followed by the 90-8 vote by the republican led congress passing most of the banking law changes that led to the sub prime mess. If there was ever an issue where both sides are dirty up to their eyes, its the mortgage crisis.
I missed the beginning of the debate. Did Ifill at least have enough class to mention a disclaimer about her book putting her in a position where the question of bias looms?
Sarah Palin is a Michael Jordan/Wayne Gretzky kind of politician. It was all on her shoulders, she apparently really wanted the ball and performed extremely well under immense pressure.
She is one of those people, unlike The Messiah, who hardly ever says “uhh”.
What scares the left more than anything about Palin is her potential.
Will the MSM cover any of Biden’s serious errors of fact?
Agree they’ve been waaaay too nice up to now.
They also need to use their surrogates better. I’ve seen Thompson a few times, but where has Rudy been? He should be on national TV constantly.
I agree that disturbing questions emerge. The one around more power to the VP in particular is very disturbing. We just had a VP who filtered out intelligence that would have led to a much different view in the lead up to the Iraq war. That is an area where I’d like to see power diminished, not increased. That was very disturbing.
And how come you complaing constantly about the NYT and never mention the Obama smearing the int NYP and Daily News (used to)?
She might not say “uhh”, but many of her sentences run on and didn’t make any sense. There were 4 or 5 times where I looked at my girlfriend and asked “What did she just say? I have no idea.”
SNL will be able to make another sketch out of this one just using her straight dialog and adding the winks.
I felt the same way about Ifill giving Biden more time and more last words, Roger. Would really love to see someone do an analysis of which candidate had the last word more often + who got more time. But other than that, I thought Ifill did fine and have no other complaints.
No disclaimer, but she was definitely on her best behavior as well as inarticulate at times. Two of the questions were incomprehensible without TiVo to help with “what did she say?”
The question about when has each candidate changed their mind in reaction to changing circumstances was the one that will haunt me for a long time. Biden answered straight up that he now uses ideology to evaluate Supreme Court nominees–he even quoted the verbiage that precluded that, but said he has “learned”. Could there be a more chilling statement from a U.S. Senator?
I think we know now what the MSM learned from RatherGate. Lie early, often and as a coordinated group.
Matt: I pray a day comes when people quit whining about the media and stop using acronyms like MSM to try and devalue what they do.
That day may come sooner than you think. People won’t have to whine about the MSM when it’s dead and gone.
What does “my family is a diverse family mean?”
So often I didn’t understand her that I threw m y clicker in frustration. There’s probably a million Republicans better suited to the position than her. Why not pick one of them?
Ifill was terrible. She asked different questions to the candidates, making sure that Biden had the questions he wanted, cut off Palin, gave Biden more “last words” and did everything she could to put Palin off her game. It went almost like Ace said it would.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/274659.php
Hey Bill, your boy Biden just got his ass handed to him by a girl on national television. But, that’s typical of all lefties, can’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag. You smell that? That’s the exhaust fumes of the bus revving up right before Obamuhh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh The Stuttering Stooge tosses Ole’ Joe Dollhair underneath. Embrace your failure. It will be so much healthier for you.
I loved the rather subtle comments Sarah made in her closing about always having been proud to be an American, as was John McCain also…hmmm, I wonder who was that directed toward? Great job, Sarah!
Sarah Palin is a gifted communicator. I say gifted because of one word she added when referring to Obama’s greek columns at the convention. One evocative word: “styrofoam”. Brilliant!!!
Whoever set her up with Katie Couric was an idiot and whoever then set up a day with Katie Couric should be fired.
Biden lied several times tonight. He should be called on those lies and his various gaffes and lies turned into ads, Let’s turn the “one heartbeat away from the Presidency” meme on them.
Tonight, despite even greater pressure than she was under at the RNC, Sarah performed brilliantly. Now, please,someone lock her handlers in a room and let this terrific candidate go out and do lots of radio and TV with Rush, Glen Beck, Hannity and Dennis Miller. She should appear on every single Fox network show and negotiate toughly with other less friendly venues. .
And, Sarah should do a 30 minute infomercial on energy and how high food prices are related to the ethanol subsidy.
(In last week’s debate, McCain said he was against the ethanol subsidy but failed to explain that diverting the use of corn to fuel has driven FOOD PRICES sky high because ordinarily corn is fed to livestock.
High food and fuel prices have probably driven some families to the point ofr bankruptcy and didn’t Biden have something to do with the bankruptcy and credit card laws that are so harsh?
Perot did such an infomercial during his campaign. The press laughed — but he got higher ratings than the World Series. And Perot was ugly. Sarah isn’t.
Bill:
She might not say “uhh”, but many of her sentences run on and didn’t make any sense. There were 4 or 5 times where I looked at my girlfriend and asked “What did she just say? I have no idea.”
So your girlfriend has comprehension problems too, eh?
BULLSHIT
I see the world’s take and your pathetic
attempt to spin , the inspundit poll is so far from reality you need warp speed to get back to this galaxy!
did Ifle favor Biden?
I don’t know I have yet to watch the whole thing–I had higher priorities–dinner over at the truck-stop with truck-driver-daughter and her new-to-her Peterbilt.
But near as I can tell from what little I did hear (lots of Biden using Palin’s verbal tics) it appears that Palin mad good her view (my paraphrase) that Ifle was part of the unpleasant wallpaper she (Palin) couldn’t do anything about.
and she dindt even answer querstions
too bad biden was so nice
i could have tore a new one on that lying , corrupt, book burning , creationist alaskasn
Ah, Bill, you really need to get out of the Borg cube more often. At least Palin knows there aren’t 57 states in the Union, unlike Barack Obama [cough].
Joe Biden’s 14 Lies in the debate tonight:
1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.
2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say that specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it at the time.
3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping the Outer Continental Shelf.”
4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a TIMELINE for retreat, which the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of its passage.
5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he recently told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.
6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting on alternative energy when he says McCain voted against it 23 times.
7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false.
8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.
9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force, Gen. David D. McKiernan, said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.
10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation of financial entities — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie, the first avalanche that started this crisis.
11. IRAQ: Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.
12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more. This includes many small business owners, who constitute three-fourths of those filing individual returns over that amount.
13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”
14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan. Actually, he’s proposing a return to the substantially higher rates under Pres. Clinton.
Bill must live in an alternate universe.
A few points:
If wind and solar were economically viable, we would have more of them now what with all of the tax credits available to producers and consumers. The big problem is that neither the wind blows, or the sun shines, 24/7.
Nuclear is the only possible way to ramp up energy production without increasing the so-called carbon footprint, and the Greens will fight it every proton.
The repeal of Glass-Steagal was not the cause of the sub-prime mess, that is firmly anchored in the Community Redevelopement Act of 1978 (as amended). The repeal of Glass-Steagel is what has allowed much of the dampening down of the panic that is on Wall Street, by allowing deposit banks to buy up the investment banks, and the conversion of two investment banks into deposit banks. Absent those changes written into law in 1998, this panic would have been much worse.
Powers of the VP: The VP has only one real duty, to act as presiding officer of the Senate and to be available as such to cast tie-breaking votes. Any other responsibilities are those delegated to the Vice-President by the President under his mandate as Chief Executive Officer of the United States. If you don’t like what the current VP has been doing, then blame the President for detailing those duties to him.
And, Yes! Gwen Ifill gave Biden the first opening statement, and the last closing statement – not exactly kosher.
Bill,
It’s amazing to me how two constitutional scholars like Obama and Biden have so little understanding of the constitution. First debate Obama invokes line item veto which we all know was ruled unconstitutional. Now the myth about expanding the VP’s power over the senate. The VP is President of the Senate. Not only does he or she cast a vote in the case of a tie, but always presides over the senate. Cheney has simply exercised powers given to all VPs that previous office holders chose not to use.
I keep hearing that soon McCain is going to “take the gloves off” and start to “pound” Obama.
This is never going to happen. McCain will lose the election rather than give up his precious legacy of a kumbaya moment.
Americans are angry. We want partisanship. We want names named, questions asked. Unfortunately McCain will never address these issues. Too bad for the country.
“And the drilling idea is a red herring. I’m all for adding more drilling. But that is an tiny, tiny, tiny part of the solution. In 10 years it might be 1 or 2% of our needs. That is meaningless compared to what solar, nuclear, and wind could do in a shorter time frame (except for nuke on the timeframe).”
Bill, you really need to talk with some ENGINEERS. They would be doubled over in paroxysms of mirth at your ignorance about powering our civilization. The alternate energy sources you mention are rightly called “boutique” sources: supplying some 7% of our total need.
Solar: Nice for house roofs and as a supplement. But a HUGE devourer of land–getting enough collectors to supply any appreciable amount of power would mean covering millions of acres of pristine land. This from the ANWR defenders?
Solar and wind: great excuse to give T. Boone Pickens a windfall (‘scuse the expression). Because power from both fluctuates wildly, any grid using them needs another source of power to even out supply; namely, Natural GAS. Yep, for those of you who wondered why Pickens the Oil Tycoon is touting solar and wind, it’s a cynical, market-driven ploy to give his Natural GAS production a huge boost.
Natural gas in cars: The pressurized tank is a powerful bomb in an accident.
Nuclear is the only one in your list that makes sense, but only for big, stationary installations. And the NIMBYS will never stand for it.
Oil and gas are still the most powerful, compact, and transportable sources of energy by a couple of orders of magnitude.
But by all means, focus on style and occasional verbal stumbles, because that matters more than being wrong on the substance of the issues.
There were 4 or 5 times where I looked at mlcatter and asked, “What did you just say? I have no idea.”
I don’t know. I have a pretty liberal background, took lots of heat from friends and family about Iraq and the need not to cut and run, but frankly I’m sick of the whole “MSM is biased” stuff. Yes it is. So what?
PJ-Media is also drifting into it’s own mirror image of bias, especially Instapundit and Mr. Simon. The Palin interview on Couric was really a disaster, and that’s not the fault of the evil MSM trapping her, she flailed all by herself. I don’t want her anywhere near the Oval office. McCain’s judgment has been really iffy, and does not inspire confidence, even though I was really tempted to vote for him.
No, I’m not a brain-washed lefty drone for thinking these things. I appreciate the needed critique of Obama (“the One”), and I do learn stuff here, but as of late, I suspect that many PJ-Media bloggers are a bit too trapped in their own echo chamber, so quick to find fault in the MSM, that they’re failing to see realities that don’t fit their own thinking.
It’s too bad. Seems like all we have left are different self-referential echo-chambers that give you exactly what you want to see and read.
Liberals and the MSN can twist words and lie anyway they want, but Palin rocked tonight. The Americans that watched Palin tonight will know how distorted the MSN has misrepresented this woman and the facts. “EAT YOUR HEARTS OUT MSN”. This woman will someday be the first WOMAN President of this Great Country.
What will people say about this debate in two days? My thoughts:
Sarah did much better than expected, but it was weird that she more-or-less stated that she won’t respond to the questions asked…and then didn’t respond to the questions asked.
That will be the media narrative. You can be angry about it, if you like, but she didn’t help herself with the “I won’t respond to the questions how the moderator wants me to”. Most people don’t know much about the Ifill controversy, so that will probably come across as unnecessarily confrontational.
Now the left is all about substance. No touchy feely crap for them. Just the facts, mam. God forbid we should love Palin because we just do. No one loves Obama “just because”. Well, maybe just a few.
You misspelled “and.” I’m done worrying about polls conducted by people who’ve made it clear that they’ll say anything to keep a Republican, any Republican, out of the White House.
From Jim:
“I’m done worrying about polls conducted by people who’ve made it clear that they’ll say anything to keep a Republican, any Republican, out of the White House.”
My understanding is that they pay for the polls, but don’t actually operate them. Thus, whether they are biased or not wouldn’t matter.
What we think of the debate is irrelevant. What people saw is almost as irrelevant. Most Republicans thought McCain won the first Presidential debate going away, the Dems tried to spin it as a tie…and the press disagreed with both of them, declaring it a solid win for Obama. Result: polls now show Obama’s lead in double digits. Prediction: this debate too will be spun as a victory for Biden, and regardless of what the candidates say/do, the rest of the debate season will be declared victories for Obama also. Whether the public wises up to the media’s game is another thing, but I’m not holding my breath. It’s not like we’ve gotten any wiser since P.T. Barnum.
DavidN:
After that debate, the immediate polls showed Obama having won – before the pundits starting yammering on. That suggests that your claim isn’t necessarily true (or at least the premise upon which it is based).
The liberal lackeys who would try and undercut Roger’s argument by pointing out acclamation is spelled with an “a”, not an “i,” are just that–liberal lackeys. Sarah Palin would never stoop to this sort of nit picking.
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I was waatching, and had my hand on the remote control in case of another “deer in the headlights” moment. But that moment never came. I watched this debate with the intesity of a great boxing match. And the underdog came out the winner! Bravo, Sarah did a great job. Now McCain should let her shine and get this race back on track.
And I would like to know who did Bidens plastic surgery, so I can make sure I never end up in that Doctor’s office! OMG-was he wearing dentures too? And they think McCain is old, he is just a stodgy old fart.
Does anyone besides Joe Biden think the US & *France* kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon?
McCain needs a lot more Palin exposure but he needs to keep her away from the MSM vultures. You know, if I were running things, I’d go straight to the ‘net. Set up a professional, live broadcast via web, where she is questioned by bloggers like Reynolds and Riehl. The networks will have to pick it up anyway, so you get the network exposure – without the network.
In spite of Sarah Palin’s pretty good performance, the perfect storm we are experiencing will probably propel BO into the White House. He will either disprove all the concerns people have about him – I rather doubt it – , or we will be reminded why we do not elect liberal politicians as President
Palin, as a “middle reliever” in my Baseball laden analogy, just handed John McCain the ball and a tie game, or slight lead by early next week.
It’s now up to him to finish… and, considering the batting average of Barack “Present” Obama, I’m comfortable that Johnny Mac can finish the game.
My face hurts I’ve been smiling so much tonight!
Palin did ok, nothing more. She might have done much better if the questions went her way. I’m not surprised these questions weren’t asked, but what was the ration of questions designed to put Palin on the spot as opposed to Biden?
“Do you believe in increasing nuclear power rapidly? Why so or why not?”
“Was it appropriate for Senator Obama to advise the Iraqi gvt to wait until he assumes office before signing agreements with the US government?” Or is this accusation false?
“Do you believe that we should consider the opinions of the UN, our European allies, and the government of Iraq before we lay out a timetable for withdrawal?”
“What is your opinion of the Patriot Act? What provisions should be removed?”
“Should a rescue or bailout act be passed if powerful members of Congress add measures that don’t dorectly address the problem?”
You’re right Roger, Gwen gave Biden the opening and closing statement in this debate… I was wondering if that was determined by a coin toss as well, or did she arbitrarily decided to give Biden that advantage? I’m impressed by Gov. Palin, she is exactly what this country needs. I hope that Americans open their eyes and vote with common sense!
“Natural gas in cars: The pressurized tank is a powerful bomb in an accident.”
There are thousands of CNG powered vehicles on the road in the US, both OEM and retrofit conversions, with no explosions so far. Honda sells a CNG Civic in California, and Toyota has announced that they’ll be selling a CNG Camry or Corolla. All three of the US mfgs make CNG powered cars, selling them primarily to fleets. Gas cylinders are pressure tested and can withstand much more force without rupturing than the plastic gas tanks fitted to most cars. I’d be far more concerned about leaking fittings in the case of an accident than a ruptured CNG tank.
Gasoline is much more dangerous than natural gas because it has a much broader range of explosive fuel/air ratios.
If I was in the market for a car today, I’d buy a used Ford Contour set up to run on both CNG and gasoline. You can pick up a low mileage example on eBay for about $4,000. Even after you factor in the $3400 for a Phill home CNG fueler/compressor, with natural gas costing somewhere between 25 and 50 percent of the gasoline equivalent, the savings on fuel would be substantial.
Pickens is hyping his plan because he’s heavily invested in both natural gas and wind power, but it does make sense to use natural gas as a transportation fuel rather than for generating electricity if we have practical alternatives for putting power into the electrical grid.
Wow. Where’d y’all get the special debate watching glasses? The ones that render it all in 1-D? Sounds like they created some cool special effects, like making SP look like Wonder Women. Can I get me a pair? Do they come with the special soundtrack, the one that goes “MSM is biased and unfair MSM is biased and unfair” whenever someone has a different opinion?
“databot”
Your post sans data. Maybe you can offer some Feelings? I love Feelings.
Cheers for the irony.
I love how absolutely deluded you right-wingers are! You’re going down in flames and still can’t recognize what a stupid pick Palin was. Putting evangelicals and the richest 1% first was a huge mistake and, thankfully, you just don’t get it.
Thank goodness independent Americans still have some common sense.
How Sarah got her groove back.
Nice to see the good guys win one.
She’s still playing the wingman-always-stays-in-formation role, John McCain this and John McCain that, but I guess that’s the VP’s job.
Media’s still got another month to plant IEDs.
Tom, I think you summarized the situation perfectly.
Anyone who thinks that “Queen of Generalities” won tonight’s debate is out of his or her mind..
The media’s long standing promise to the Democrat Party is “You lie and I’ll swear by it.” Journalism is dead.
It’s funny – I thought Palin came across like a kindergarten teacher – with the nice winking and smiling. I figured you guys would think so too but…different filters, obviously – I’m a liberal.
I did think she did very well considering how much pressure was on her and how much she had to learn in a short period – I thought she covered her lack of knowledge fairly well (good technique to say you’re not going to answer the questions asked…then you can say whatever you want. I don’t think that had anything to do with Ifill BTW – I was looking at older debates she’s done and she did exactly the same thing – just unresponsive to the question). I also thought Biden was great. He inspired my confidence in the ticket and I’m happy I’m going to be able to vote for candidates I like as opposed to just against someone I don’t like. I would never think of him as “The One” – but you all seem to agree on that – and that Palin did well. Well – as Palin says – we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
I don’t get it, the rave reviews. All she did was recite the canned answers she’s been memorizing for the last few weeks, while dodging or just ignoring many of the questions. There was no actual substance to anything she said; just talking points. Her style seemed forced and pretended, focused more on producing sound bytes than discussion.
I’m not saying Biden was all that great or anything. He surely didn’t hold the spotlight like Palin did.
I think Palin would’ve done better if she hadn’t been forced to do last-minute cramming at debate camp. She is an intelligent person, but she keeps downplaying that to focus on style and packaging.
Matt said:
“I pray a day comes when people quit whining about the media and stop using acronyms like MSM to try and devalue what they do.”
Well Matt, I’ve been listening to liberals talk about “Big Oil” and “Big Tobacco” for decades now, like they’re some nefarious cabal, meeting each week to screw the American citizenry. What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander,
If it looks like a monolithic, self-serving, deceitful,collusionistic group. Sounds like one. Acts like one. The it must be one. I’d say the Main Stream Media sure fits the bill.
So you don’t like MSM used as a pejorative term? Maybe we should just call it “Big Media” so you liberals know exactly what we mean.
It’s funny that liberals like to use “loaded” terms so much, but then try to look down their noses if conservatives use them.
Great debate, and I love Sarah, but I’m starting to wonder if I love her enough to overcome my disgust at Senator McCain’s support of the obscene Bush-Paulson-Obama-Pelosi-Dodd-Reid-Frank’s 700 billion, err, now 805 billion dollar “bailout (crap sandwich) bill”. Why did 74 senators just ignore what “we the people” want?
Oh – that’s right, according to a certain (D) Senator we’re against it because we’re “ignorant and uninformed”.
We need Sarah Palin at the TOP of the Republican ticket!! (And we need to start reminding 74 Senators – and ourselves – what RECALL PETITIONS and RECALL ELECTIONS are all about.) Thank God that Sarah is just a heart-beat away from the Presidency in 2012…
Ah, the fun of reading energy pronouncements from the technically illiterate. Wasn’t why I came down here to post, but couldn’t overlook some of the aforementioned nonsense.
1. Pickens’ wind scam is only about getting eminent domain for his water pipeline. His windmills might power a few of his water well pumps, but he’ll never be able to sell commercial volumes of electricity.
2. Land-based oil wells in areas of known reserves can produce oil in a matter of months, offshore wells in a year or so. The 10-years before a drop flows story is a lie.
3. Nuclear power plants, while they are a great idea, do take nearly a decade to build, after (and if) the permits are issued. Same goes for hydro-electric.
4. In spite of several decades of solar R&D, the only places it has been used as anything other than as a stunt are satellites and the space station, and that’s only because it would cost too much for an extension cord to plug ‘em in.
5. CNG has about a 4 to 1 volume penalty vs. gas/diesel, sorta practical for big trucks going short distances, not practical for personal transportation.
I could add several more about alternative fuels, and about the scientific fraud being sold as man-made cooling/warming/climate-change, but since the original topic was about the MSM circling the bowl, thanks to their open campaigning for the DNC, let me get back to my intended comment.
With the exception of far-left partisans and the ignorant, most of the rest of the world has stopped trusting the MSM on anything of substance.
The media here and in Europe told us all how much that Germans and the French were mostly anti-American and leaning further left, yet somehow the Germans elected Merkel and the French elected Sarkozy, both conservatives who ran on a platform that included improving relations with America.
Now the media wants us to believe that most Americans want to shift towards Marxism/Socialism.
Sounds to me like the media is confusing their own opinions with those of the public.
Watching the leftists score a debate is like watching someone cheat at liar’s poker.
Anyone who doesn’t quite “get it” that CBS, CNN, ABC “conducting a poll” is a rigged game, doesn’t really have the brain power to be in the discussion. The very people who would participate in WATCHING those programs (as is true, to be fair…on Fox as well)…is likely to tilt answers toward the obvious intended conclusions. Therefore, the “polls” are stacked and meaningless echo chamber rigged and preordained results.
Gov. Palin did just fine. She certainly eliminated the caricatured slander that the leftists create for virtually anyone who dares to disagree with their social engineering credos. The favorite ploy of these arrogant (for little reason) prigs is to call ideological opponents “stupid”…and to lampoon them in their little branches of smug and pedantic tropes and stale parodies.
Reagan was ‘stupid’ and sleepy, Ford was clumsy and buffoonish, Bush Sr was a wimp, Quayle was stupid, Palin is stupid…its a recurring theme of arrogance and elitism…and they have been playing this sham for so long, they have begun to convince the useful idiots who parrot this stuff that it’s true and not a ploy in their propaganda end game.
Gov. Palin isn’t stupid…by a long shot. Is she experienced in foreign policy? Most governors and mayors aren’t asked to be, last I heard. But she’s the only one in the race who has spent any significant time signing the front of a check.
A friend of mine who is a liberal Democrat asked me a couple of questions a few nights ago. He asked me which of the four people on the ticket would I ask to be the CEO of my business, based upon business acumen and experience.
I thought about it…and responded…that I hadn’t thought about that question…but when was the last time a Democrat was run for President as the party’s nominee who had ever run a successful business enterprise? And then translated that experience into doing a good job on the economy for the people?
We concluded that Clinton’s strength was on the economy…we would just have to find a way to keep him away from the female help….and his experience came…as a governor. Not as a businessman.
Carter was a complete failure on the economy, neither Gore nor Kerry had ever run a business enterprise, Truman failed at everything he did in business in his private life, Kennedy was groomed to run for office, as was FDR. Obama has not an ounce of business experience, very little federal lawmaking experience, no national foreign policy negotiating experience, has never conducted a single successful bi-partisan federal objective, has never signed the front of a check.
The leftists have HAMMERED on Palin’s “heartbeat away” from holding the Presidency and her inexperience…but, their matador cape waving act on the very same issue for the top of the ticket for the Democrats….cheating at liar’s poker, the latest game in town.
Motion to dismiss in Berg vs. O’bama and DNC – DENIED !!
PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE, :
Plaintiff :
vs. :CIVIL ACTION NO: 08-cv- 04083
:
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, ET AL, :
Defendants :
ORDER ON DEFENDANT’S, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATIC
NATIONAL COMMITTEE’S MOTION TO DISMISS PLAINTIFF’S
COMPLAINT PURSUANT TO RULE 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6)
THIS CAUSE came before the United States District Court Judge, Honorable R.
Barclay Surrick on Defendant’s Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National
Committee’s Motion to Dismiss. Having reviewed the Motion and Plaintiff’s Opposition
to said Motion and for good cause shown, it is hereby ORDERED that the Motion to Dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) is DENIED.
It is further ORDER of this Court that the following discovery is
to be turned over to Plaintiff within three (3) days:
1. Obama’s “vault” version (certified copy of his “original” long version)
Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama’s Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama’s Oath of Allegiance.
IT IS SO ORDERED
No, you didn’t miss anything. On most issues he got both the first and last word… and she still managed to take him on toe to toe.
Early on I nearly broke my keyboard because Gov Palin was NOT going after Sen Biden for his repeated lies that this entire Wall Street meltdown was the result of the Bush Administration — when Congressional Democrats have their fingerprints all over it, along with former President Clinton. Apparently in the decision of the campaign it is better to distance themselves from President Bush, even allowing outright lies to be told, rather than set the Congressional Record straight and nail these Democrats who caused the chaos.
OH, Gov Palin won the debate — she was in complete command by midway through the debate, and no amount of pseudo-facts from “Say it isn’t so” Joe could change that.
It was good to see the media beatdown of Governor Palin backfire.
The MSM has done further damage to itself. They are little more than a propaganda machine for leftist causes. It’s good that more people are becoming aware of it. I hope it speeds their demise.
And the lefty trolls also look very small today as they snipe away and try to poison everything they come in contact with.
Good job, Governor!
Ifill did, indeed, give Biden the first and last word. It seemed to me, though I didn’t keep count, that Biden also got the last word on more of the questions than Palin did. As for whether it was legal, all’s fair in love, war, and also when you know the MSM won’t call you on it.
What the Mao-Stream Media and their lemmings and parrots don’t quite understand…if you create a full frontal attack, with an open and obvious lack of objectivity, you are going to get pushback.
But Gwen Ifil was much more masterful and should be applauded for secreting her obvious bias (suppressing it as well) and using much more subtle techniques for infusing an unfair tilt in favor of “the Age of Obama” ticket. It was so subtle, it was missed by folks on BOTH sides. Giving the appearance of fairness, while rigging the game…is the ideal propaganda achievement.
Students of the art of persuasion, public speaking, and almost any fairly judged format for an open and honest debate of any issues…know the theories of primacy and recency. Whoever gets to speak first and who gets to speak last are decided by a coin flip on the former and the opposing debater gets the latter. Not in this case. Sen. Biden was given BOTH opportunities.
Also, anyone schooled in moderation of debates knows that the chosen words (as well as inflections, tone, and subjects chosen…need to be scrupulously neutral). Let’s take a look at some of the choices, how they were worded and the choices made. This was a BRILLIANT effort on the part of the author/moderator.
Now, let’s talk about — the next question is to talk about the subprime lending meltdown.
Who do you think was at fault? I start with you, Governor Palin. Was it the greedy lenders? Was it the risky home-buyers who shouldn’t have been buying a home in the first place? And what should you be doing about it?
One glaring omission in this question…was Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae Democrats who lined their pockets with money, are under investigation, and cooked the books. The question…given to Gov. Palin, was…who are you going to blame…small businessmen or the voters? Assuming a fact not established…that there isn’t a much better target which, of course…doesn’t help the Obama campaign or the Democrats since Franklin Raines, Herb Moses and Jim Johnson are tied to them. The question studiously avoids mention of them…and attempts to steer the answer away from them…and into a no-win proposition for the opposing side of the “Age of Obama”.
IFILL: OK, our time is up here. We’ve got to move to the next question. Senator Biden, we want to talk about taxes, let’s talk about taxes. You proposed raising taxes on people who earn over $250,000 a year. The question for you is, why is that not class warfare and the same question for you, Governor Palin, is you have proposed a tax employer health benefits which some studies say would actually throw five million more people onto the roles of the uninsured. I want to know why that isn’t taking things out on the poor, starting with you, Senator Biden.
Here is a classic example of a softball and a hardball under the chin, in the same paragraph. Let’s restate it, so that the shining light of partisanship is in it’s full glory and let’s give credit where credit is due, the author of the “Age of Obama” pulled this off beautifully.
Sen. Biden…one percent of the country makes X amount of dollars and you only want to tax them and help the 99% of the other voters…please explain to that 99% why that isn’t a bad thing you are doing…and the SAME question to you Governor…with the ADDITIONAL trojan horse question…which is backed by STUDIES showing its bad…(unlike no studies mentioned in Sen. Biden’s question showing…well, anything) which would THROW FIVE MILLION PEOPLE OUT INTO THE STREETS…AND “I” WANT TO KNOW…why that isn’t TAKING THINGS OUT ON THE POOR.
Masterful. I really mean it. Perhaps the best loaded question of the evening….by the author of “The Age of Obama”.
IFILL: Governor, are you interested in defending Senator McCain’s health care plan?/b>
Notice the subtle use of phrasing here? Are you interested in defending…what would be the option? No I’m not interested…or no, it’s not worth defending? Why does it need “defending”? And why wouldn’t she be interested?
IFILL: Governor and senator, I want you both to respond to this. Secretaries of state Baker, Kissinger, Powell, they have all advocated some level of engagement with enemies. Do you think these former secretaries of state are wrong on that?
The question is set up as an automatic rebuttal to a fact not in question. NOBODY questions whether talks should occur at “some level”…the entirety of the discussion centers around AT THE PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL WITH NO PRECONDITIONS. This wasn’t asked and the phraseology chosen adopts the position of “the age of Obama”. Masterful.
IFILL: What has this administration done right or wrong — this is the great, lingering, unresolved issue, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict — what have they done? And is a two-state solution the solution?
There are a thousand ways to raise the question of Israel-Palestine…but this phraseology was utterly brilliant. Since it was not resolved by ANY administration…ever…saddling the Gov. with an injected TIE to the Bush Administration…she is left with criticizing the Republicans or attempting to support a failed effort. And Biden gets a softball way to take a run at the administration in the process….without ever having to address the failures of the Democrats. This also misdirects the pathway of the conversation away from “the Age of Obama” and his ties to strong anti-Israel voices within his campaign and for years in the Illinois senate with the likes of Rashid Khalidi, Ali Abunimah and the late Edward Said. Masterful.
There are a number of other items that appeared within the debate…the schoolmarmish reaction to a lline about extra credit aimed only at the Gov., the attempt to tie Palin to Cheney, …it goes on and on. But the BEST part of the performance…was how it gave off the APPEARANCE of neutrality. It fooled people on both side…as a performance I would give it an A Plus.
Can I get me a pair?
databot: Not unless you were born with them. Unfair editing perhaps but, well, you don’t seem to mind that otherwise. And learn some grammar you faux-faux-hick.
Why do you think the MSM lost? They still get to inundate the average voter with story after story citing Palin’s poor performance. John Q. Public might have thought that Palin did a great job in the debate; but wait a few days, he will eventually change his mind.
The Dead Tree media is about finished – but they’ll be trying to take their “worst nightmare” down with them. Expect the NY Times to be leading the way and the smears to get increasingly vicious as the both the DTM and MSM start sinking down into their gutter of sleaze one last time.
On the other hand, the Obama campaign started hammering on Brokaw – the Obamites might stop shooting themselves in the foot so much – and just proceed to point the gun right at their own forehead…
BTW – where does Obama get the money to buy and run a private 747 jet, his own private broadcast TV channel, and all this other stuff he’s paying for (which is just now being noticed)?
The key question was “is she qualified to be vice president?” and the response by Frank Luntz’s focus group was telling: they answered of course, by acclamation.
Tom W said: “leftists… salient characteristic is the wish-fulfillment fantasy. If they say something, it immediately becomes true”. Well Tom, that didn’t take long. Courtesy of Bill: “drilling idea is a red herring…(drilling) is an tiny, tiny, tiny part of the solution. In 10 years it might be 1 or 2% of our needs. That is meaningless compared to what solar, nuclear, and wind could do in a shorter time frame.” Bring on those solar powered jets, and the wind powered submarines, and the electric powered-plug-in cargo container ships!!! Oh, and the pig manure powered bicycles.
cf:
Thank you. I had come away from the debate thinking that Ifill had been quite neutral. It’s clear, though, given your analysis, that I wasn’t listening (or thinking) closely enough. Frankly, though, I never thought Ifill was as devious as she turned out to be.
Good job. Thanks again.
See the difference between a live debate (where even a left-wing moderator like Ifill cannot save Biden) and MSM interviews with dirtbags like Couric and Gibson? MSM sleaze does have its limits after all!
I live in Australia and have been following the election with no preconceptions. I’m flummoxed at how anyone can believe in Sarah Palin. She has no substance, is clearly out of her league and an embarassment. The rest of the world see’s it, it really is unbelievable, and a view shared by about 70-80% of the rest of the world that Palin as VP is incomprehensible. From her incoherent babble with couric, winking at your nation, this ain’t a beauty contest, the rest of us can’t understand how you could champion someone so bereft of intellect and criticize someone with it such as Obama. I’ve never seen Biden in action, but he was presidential in the debate, and he wiped the floor with Sarah who couldn’t answer a question with any original thought. After 8 years of bush, the world is tired of America, honestly last chance for you guys, you have a great ticket with obama/biden, don’t screw it up, please, the rest of the world is really counting of you guys, we need you guys as leaders of the world but you can’t lead when you have no standing.
After the debate ended, Gov. Palin went to greet Ms. Ifill, and Gwen told her something, but I did not hear. Did anyone else catch what she said?
However, when Biden came to shake Gwen’s hand, I clearly heard her tell him, “You did good!” And she said it with a great sense of satisfaction, as if Gwen thinks Biden won the debate.
I won’t judge any more until I find out what Gwen told Sarah, however.
Saw this on a blog last week. Cute.
Ode to the Mainstream Media, the Humpty Dumptys of the modern age
by
Flyover Fred
The Mainstream Media sat on a wall, the Mainstream Media put out a call.
“ELECT OBAMA, DON’T YOU KNOW WHO WE ARE? YOU’RE STUPID, YOU’RE DUMMIES, OBAMA’S OUR STAR.
YOU PEOPLE, YOU’RE USELESS, YOU’RE TOO DUMB TO SEE, WE MAINSTREAMS CHOOSE WHO THE PRESIDENT WILL BE.”
WE MAINSTREAMS WERE BORN WITH SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE, AND WE MAJORED IN JOURNALISM, WHEN WE WENT TO COLLEGE.
“THE TRUTH IS WHAT WE DECIDE EVERYDAY, YOUR JOB IS TO LISTEN, AND THEN TO OBEY.”
“LIBERALS? NO PROBLEM, THEY’RE EASY TO FOOL, CAUSE SWIFTNESS IS MISSING, NOT IN THEIR GENE POOL.
CONSERVATIVES ARE HARDER, THEY FERRET OUT RATS, THEY KNOW IN THEIR GUT WE’RE ALL DEMOCRATS.”
“DECEPTION, THEN, IS PART OF OUR SCHEMES, IN OUR WORLD, YOU SEE, ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS.
FOOL ENOUGH WEAK BUT CONSERVATIVE PEOPLE, AND WE’LL GET US A WORLD, FULL OF NOTHING BUT SHEEPLE!”
“THEN OBAMA WILL REIGN, WE CAUSED IT YOU SEE, WE MAINSTREAMS ARE SMART, SOMETHING YOU’LL NEVER BE.
LYING, DECEIVING, THEY’RE PART OF THE GAME, JUST ASK OUR LATE MENTOR, KARL MARX IS HIS NAME.”
Oh what a tangled web they weaved, when first they practiced to deceive.
Charles, Katie, and Brian must know, there ain’t no way it’s gonna be Oh.
They keep the scam going to placate their base, fully aware that they’re losing the race.
The Mainstreams should wake up and choose to be wise, and open their squinty little eyes,
From which they only seek a way, to spread their lies, day after day.
Obama, The One, they chant to us all, will save us from a terrible fall.
But what they really want, you see, is ANYONE but the GOP.
Do we really want the Mainstreams to choose? Then all future wars, we surely will lose.
Obama’s their man, hand picked for the job, he’ll mix with them well, a narcistic snob.
Democrats one and Democrats all, the Mainstream Media with all of their gall,
Lie to us daily, straight out of their mouth. Why not? We’re just dummies, ESPECIALLY the south.
But when your mission is always to lie, check your IQ, and make sure that it’s high.
Because something you told us a week ago, a deception you tried so hard to grow,
Will conflict with what you say today, and out pops the lie in an embarrassing way.
And then the cat is out of the bag, and your ratings really begin to sag.
Katie drops to the bottom of the heap, when the people no longer follow like sheep.
How long before CBS cuts her loose? Until they do, they’ll remain the caboose.
She thinks we’re dumb and simply can’t see, her bias and hatred of the GOP.
Mainstreams scream about CEOs, who’s paychecks are high, as all of us knows,
TOO HIGH, is what the Mainstreams say, while making their own forty thousand a day.
What’s something Americans just can’t abide? The hypocrisy Mainstreams have spread far and wide.
“DO AS WE SAY, NOT AS WE DO, RULES AREN’T FOR US, THEY’RE FOR PEONS LIKE YOU.”
So all of us dummies in flyover land, have decided to give you the back of our hand.
That’s where it now stands, as your empire cracks, we all know you’re nothing but Democrat hacks.
You treat The Obama with with kid glove care, then make fun of Sarah because of her hair.
We’re onto you now, you pathetic jerks, your exhorbitant salaries and all of your perks.
You cry recession when it just isn’t so, and weep for the terrorists, in Guantanamo.
You think it will help the Democrats win, in November, when all of the ballots come in.
We know how you think and we know what you do.
We’re listening in as you give us a clue:
“DAMN THAT IRAQ, WHY COULDN’T WE LOSE, THEN ALL THE DUMMIES WOULD KNOW WHO TO CHOOSE.”
“LET’S KILL THE ECONOMY TO HELP THE DEMS WIN, THERE ISN’T A GOD SO IT CAN’T BE A SIN.”
“IF IT CAUSES JOE SIXPACK TO FORFEIT HIS HOUSE, TOUGH LUCK, HE’S A SCHMUCK, LESS THAN A MOUSE
CAUGHT IN A TRAP, A MAN WITH NO NAME, CAUSE WINNING THE WHITE HOUSE IS THE NAME OF THE GAME.”
“WE MAKE SO MUCH MONEY IT HAS NO EFFECT, NO MATTER THE FALLOUT, IT WON’T HURT OUR CHECK.”
“WHO CARES IF THE DUMMIES LOSE ALL THEIR PAY, THEY’RE NOTHING BUT PAWNS AT THE END OF THE DAY.”
The mainstream media will soon learn with pain, their influence has suddenly started to wane.
And pinheads like Gibson in amazement will find, that average Americans DO have a mind.
When you pick on our Sarah with obvious glee, you’re slapping the face of folks just like me.
We’re elephants, so, our memories are long, your elitist culture soon will be gone.
Couric, Gibson, Williams, and Brokaw, liars, deceivers, distorters all.
Night after night their deceptions they sell, to gullible liberals with brains made of gel.
It’s important to feed the dependent class, so Katie can preach from her shoulder high ass.
Wooing, cajoling these pitiful Pearls, to join the ranks of the Obama Girls.
Then Katie and Charlie and Brian and Tom, will have done their work, for the Dems and THE ONE.
But the folks aren’t as dumb as they’d have us believe, and most of us know, it’s their job to deceive.
You blew it this time, you started too soon, your lying and cheating, attacks from your goons.
Fact checking is easy, we strip off your clothes, with Lexis and Nexis, your lies get exposed.
You’re dying, you Mainstreams, an irrevalent bunch, and as to November, I’ve got me a hunch.
The people will answer your call for Obama, by pulling the lever for a moose huntin’ mama.
Then you will know that your pitiful call, brought the day that you Mainstreams had a great fall.
And all of your lyin’ and all of your spinnin’, could not save your butts from a Sarah sized skinnin’.
The DEMs always state “if we state drilling today it will take ten years before the oil will be available”
The response needs to be “You said that ten years ago and look where we are today without the oil we need. It means if you are elected now it will be ten years after we get you out of office before we will be able to the oil here in the USA.”
And the partisan people are out in full force, which is to be expected after a debate.
Joe Biden played loose with the facts, getting some outright wrong, but people will still defend him. His smile made him look like a used car saleman, trying to sell a faulty policy to an ignorant public.
Sarah Palin still lacks the incredibly basic ability of giving an anwser that actually adresses the question asked, but people will still defend her. Her “down to Earth” demeanor will play out horribly in the world stage, as it did for Bush. Honestly, people really want a person who says “Betcha” representing our country?
My wife said something to me right before she stopped watching and went to bed, and I hold with her opinion.
“I hope nothing happens to whoever is elected, because I don’t want either of these people running the country.”
Great analysis cfbleachers. It should be required reading for the moderates at National Review. Anyone who reads this will see that Gwen Ifill was not fair and balanced.
I doubt these polls anyway. How many people claim their candidate won the debate simply because he/she is their candidate? Lots, I suspect.
The fact that Biden, with his 35 year schmoozing degree, didn’t annihilate Gov. Palin is a testament to her intelligence (i.e., ability to successfully assess and adapt) and inner fortitude. The subliminal message, in my opinion, was “Joe, you’ve been a Congressman for 35 years. Congressional approval rating +/- 12%. End of story.” Incidentally, much as I cringe dislike PBS, I’d say that Gwen Ifill did a good job overall.
MSM might have been a loser last night but they weren’t the biggest loser on the tv screen. The concept of what a politician is died last night as well. If Luntz had ask this question — “Do you think you could have defeated Biden in last nights debate?” The whole room would have raised their hand. That is hard, for it indicates that the public perceives that other than a thick skin requirement, anybody can be a politician.
Like the bloggers who have shown that the MSM has no hold on professional reportage. Palin may have ushered in a revelation that being a Pol requires no special skill. Yes Palin is a Pol. But her background, rise to Governor and delivery on the screen says anybody can do this. She then proceeded to prove it by ripping up a 30+yrs experienced legislator.
I love Sarah Palin – she is a real person, unlike most of the other electeds. I liked her responses except on the issue of the bailout. I wish she’d at least mentioned that the reason the bailout is even an issue is because of Carter’s CRA, the left’s attempt to equalize the poor and down-trodden with the wealthy – by way of risky loans. Other Democrats added to the problem, would not listen to President Bush or Senator McCain for 2-3 years before the thing exploded. I put the Dems in Congress and Jimmy Carter as the primary cause of this financial flop, not the CEOs. I don’t hold the CEOs blameless, but Carter and Dems STARTED the fiasco, then when the kitchen got hot, they couldn’t find a door out. Government SHOULD NOT MEDDLE IN PRIVATE ENTERPRISE as government screws up everything it touches. Oh, and, at least one or two of the CEOs are democrat toadies who handed out sweetheart loans to other dems. Too bad Governor Palin wasn’t allowed to be totally truthful here. At that point I turned off the TV.
I expected Ifill’s lead off question to Palin to be something like, “when the Great Wall of China was being built, who was the foreman?” But Ifill beat my low expectations of her last night. Maybe being put on notice about that in-the-tank Obama puff book deal sobered her up. At any rate, had Ifill asked that question of Palin last night, I have a feeling Palin would have responded, “Gwen, do you want the day foreman or the night foreman?” Palin was that sharp!
If the MSM is unable to deliver a Obama victory with this level of effort, the morning after there are going to be meetings in those big corporations with their advertising execs trying to explain why they are spending the large sums of money and resources on a media that can’t sell a product. With an economic downturn facing them square in the face, those senior managers are going to be hard pressed to keep the big juice flowing into the old media.
LOL I read WAPO elite’s comments on Gerson column and haven’t stopped laughing since. They knock the Guv for being COLLOQUIAL!
Are these people actually Americans? Colloquial American is the lingo. I know there is an academy that pretends the US is a “literary” country but the life of the lingo isn’t in those untintelligible novels that your mother hoped you would write to get a rave in the MSM – it’s in pop lit (Go Roger).
Not so long ago, Americans were embarrassingly pompous, ponderous and euphemistic and called cocks roosters which I bet sleepy old Sen Biden still does when he’s boring for America. The WAPO elite were incandescent over the Guv not knowing what an Achilles Heel is? What a Gen Gap. Question, do those elitests know what jumping the shark means — and how sen obama keeps doing it.?
Von Bear:
Its been four decades and some since I read Norman Mailer’s, The Naked and the Dead but there is a scene early in the book where the young Lieutenant complains to the old General that the troops are frustrated, antsy and bored by inactivity. Entirely intentional, says the General. When they’re finally given the order to attack they be properly enraged and energetic.
The Obama camp has shot its load against McCain-Palin. Every professional criticism and personal smear they could think of, true and false. The public has heard it all. Ad nauseum. Obama’a negatives are relatively unexplored and unexposed. His past remains creepily opaque.
Wright and Pflegger’s reappearance in the last days of the campaign will have fresh impact. Likewise others in Obama’ closet of horrors. (Contrast Rev. Wright’s and spouse Michelle’s open lefty contempt for middleclassedness with the Obama campaign’s post-economic-debacle concern for and identification with “main street” and “middle class Americans,” for instance, and you demonstrate the essential fraudulence of Obama’s platform.)
Methinks McCain is keeping his powder dry and waiting to see the whites of their eyes. Have faith in an old soldier.
Look at all the unhappy trolls. It’s a very good sign. Astroturf away if you like (everyone needs a paying job), but ordinary people will come to their own conclusions, and more often than not, they will make the correct decision (see: 2004).
If the usual bots are augmented by crackheads who can’t spell the word didn’t (“dindt”), ranting about “book-burning creationists” it’s clear that the race is anything but lost.
I needed a good laugh this morning and the likes of databot and nlclatter didn’t let me down, bless their pointed little heads.
I noticed on several occasions that Biden got first and last in a row. When this shows up on youtube, it would be an interesting exercise to: 1) calculate total time for the respective candidates, and 2) determine number of opportunities to speak (including at least one point where Biden very rudely talked over Palin).
I’ll bet good money that Biden got more of both.
Who will do what with my taxes? As much as I like Palin’s Reagan-like appeal whenever she talks, the tax portion of this debate reminded me that this election is, to summarize Ron Paul, a two-headed coin toss, and it’s not Washington’s, but Marx’s head that comes up either way. Until taxes are abolished, mediocrity from Wall Street to Main Street, will be subsidized at my expense. Pure capitalism, embodied in as diminutive a site like http://www.turnblogsintocash.com that doesn’t ask for or charge a single penny’s worth of fees, handouts, or guarantees, is all it takes for the world to succeed, one free, unyoked person at a time.
Ifill gave Biden the 1st and last words but both of them were powerless to contain Sarah Palin’s charisma and down-to-earth connection with real people because she’s REAL!
Of course Biden lied throughout the entire debate. Joe Biden has been a lying, party line, party-first liberal Senator for so long he has no other mode.
His over-whitened teeth are phoney, not to mention his tragic, experimental-stage hair plugs. And hey, Senator, where did you get that face lift? Korea? What’d ya bring with you, a picture of Lucy Liu?
I loved the way Sarah handled the “climate change” nonsense. She spoke in terms of pollution being man-made but not the whole globe’s climate. Compare that to Biden’s party-line, global warming, “it’s a fact”, “polar bears are drowning” crap.
Last night: if McCain strategist Steve Schmidt is likened to coach Mike Martz, remember that Martz is known to repeat under his breath, “Please blitz. Please blitz. Please blitz.”
I think the problem is that it even as the MSM is destroying themselves, they still have enough power and influence to sway this election. It doesn’t look good for McCain/Palin this time around.
–That is hard, for it indicates that the public perceives that other than a thick skin requirement, anybody can be a politician.
Agreed. Lefties love the political class because it supports statism. Unlike the EU “Constitution”, ours is only a few pages long and is understandable by everyone — except activist judges and Democratic Senators and Congressmen. It wasn’t that long ago that Republican congressmen went and did a couple of terms and then went home.
To paraphrase Bill Buckley: I’d rather be led by the first 500 names in the phone book than the crooks (Charlie Rangel, Bill Jefferson, Barach Obama-Rezko, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid) and hard-left clowns (Maxin Waters, Barney Frank, Barach Obama-Bill Ayers) that now inhabit much of Congress.
Joe Biden appeared to be a very decent man, doing his best, which was not bad. Obama, far from being a “sleazabag,” also appears to be a very decent man. Wrong on policies but very decent.
McCain’s campaign has become irrelevant to a lot of people because no one knows what the major differences are between him and Obama except for the way and even that’s becoming blurred. McCain does not distinguish between himself and Obama in terms that people can understand.
He spends too much time on the war w/o saying what needs to be said: Obama has opposed the protection of US interests, was wrong to oppose the war and wrong to oppose spending bills for the troops already there. That if we leave, we’ll have to go back etc. But he speaks in such general terms this never gets through.
second, wear a sandwhich board if he has to, and remind everyone that he sought to regulate Freddie and Fannie–and don’t assume people know what that means. TELL them; not every undecided voter reads the New York Times every day. Run an ad that shows what he tried to do. “Right All Along” would be good.
If McCain does not distinguish himself from Obama except by virture of age and being a POW he is going to lose. And he is well on his way to doing that.
“…she’s REAL!”
Nobody says “Doggone it.” Nobody.
She’s a great lady. I’d vote for her for governor, or Congresswoman, or Senator. But VP? Come on. Folksy Hockey Moms with little to no executive experience should not be in a position to run the free world, any more than Slimy Arrogant Community Organizers with little to no executive experience.
John McCain picked a token for short-term political advantage. Mindless partisans can plug their ears and yell if they want to, but that fact remains.
I have no doubt that he’d make a more competent President than Obama, but God help us if he wins and doesn’t survive his term.
The decline of American journalism:
Walter Winchell (extortionist and shill)
Walter Cronkite (he of the higher truth)
Peter Arnett
CNN Management
The dead guy (Peter Jennings)
Dan Rather (aka Dan BLather)
K-K-K-Katie Couric
The NYT (copperheads since 1864)
Charlie Gibson (who?)
their Hollywood luminary buddies (kiss of death?)
Feel free to add your own names to this incomplete list…
Charlie Gibson is to Ed Morrow as Barach Obama is to Theodore Roosevelt. (both are very poor copies of great original material)
OK, we can sit around and bemoan the media bias, but in the meantime it is getting corrupt democrats elected and protecting the ones in office. Why aren’t we thinking of something we can do about it? Instapundit has some thoughts but it appears to me the results of those would be a long time coming. Maybe those are all we can do, but does anyone have any thoughts on what else we can do before the media completely ruins the country?
I watched the debate three times, twice with the volume on and once with the volume off. With the volume off, it was strikingly obvious how well Sarah Palin presented herself, especially with that winning, seemingly natural smile in her features. In contrast, Biden looked dour and peevish.
Biden was supposed to be the foreign policy wonk of great gravitas and knowledge. He made mistake after mistake: the biggest one being some garbled nonsense about Lebannon, NATO, and Obama lashing up with the French. Rubbish. He also could not keep straight the difference between the West Bank and Gaza, could not expalin his flip on Iraq, and misrepresented what the commanding general in Afghanistan said about a possible surge in Afghanistan. He also gave Obama credit for the work done by Sen. Lugar on controlling ex-Soviet nukes. Biden is a fraud. Plain beat the crap out of him; it was a bit sad — like watching a moose get gunned down.
Did Ifill refer to Sarah as “Debra Palin”?
Palin did well. Expectations are always lower for the less experienced candidate in these debates, and almost always benefit as a result. Expectations were lowered by the MSM for Palin that they in turn actually helped her.
This is why I think all the criticisms of how the McCain campaign “rolled her out” are generally wrong. Most of these critiques remind me of sports fans attacking the coach when the team is losing, regardless of other factors. The suggestion that Palin do interviews with the likes of Hannity, Rush, Hewitt are fine, they give her some media exposure, but these are softball interviews – none of them are going to challenge her. At some point Palin had to get out there and do some interviews with the MSM or go into the debate completely untested. No one, including the McCain camp, knew how those interviews would turn out (though after the fact many claim they did). But consider this line of thinking: If she is able to hold her own in those interviews, great. If she struggles, it will be better that she gets her feet wet in those and ultimately gives a better performance in the debate, with the added bonus that any struggles from those interviews will lower expectations for the debate. The end result? Some 70 million viewers tune in to see how she does, and when she does well she blows away expectations.
I’d consider the possibility that those interviews with the MSM preceding the debate were the best thing for her, and ultimately the best thing for the McCain campaign.
Folksy Hockey Moms with little to no executive experience
Mayors (even of small towns) and governors are executive jobs. Biden + Obama + McCain = no executive experience. You should know that, don’t you think.
Mayors and Governors are also held more accountable for what goes on..unlike State legislators who can vote ‘Present’ when things get tough.
Beverly:
Nice job. Wouldn’t want any of those Obama Biden supporters swayed by the facts.
Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill. It’s unbelievable that someone who knows the alphabet enough to write could be so uninformed about the Fanny, Freddie debacle. It was all Demms…. with the republicans sitting and watching, except McCain, who tried on numerous occasions to stop the excesses. Fanny and Freddie pushed sub-primes and bought up one trillion dollars worth of the worthless stuff.
Sarah did a great job of pointing out the failures of O’Biden and company. It frieghtens me to think that Barak Hussien Obama is an election away from being in the white house with his commie wife, and rapper music streaming into the streets.
Mark from Australia:
Obama has less substance and has accomplished less than Palin. Neither are qualified for the job. If Obama wasn’t black he wouldn’t be the nominee.
Biden is knowledgeable and wrong as his track record clearly shows.
But if I were an Australian I would be for Obama. It would be great to see the US shoot itself in the foot and make it easier for Australians to compete.
Biden didn’t even bother to deny Palin’s contentions that Obama is unqualified and McCain is qualified. Given Biden’s past statements, it is more than apparent that he agreed with Palin. Maybe Biden didn’t realize how clueless and inexperienced Obama really was until it was too late to pull off the ticket.
Obama is the worst lightweight ever to win a major party’s nomination. Period. The fact he could be the next president is an indictment of not only our media but our celebrity-driven culture.
The media is nothing more than a feral pack of rabid dogs barking in a bad neighborhood. They are to be ignored as irrelevant anymore.
Mark from Australia (if that is your real name and nationality):
“I’m flummoxed at how anyone can believe in Sarah Palin. She has no substance, is clearly out of her league and an embarassment. The rest of the world see’s it, it really is unbelievable, and a view shared by about 70-80% of the rest of the world that Palin as VP is incomprehensible.”
> We don’t care.
“…the rest of us can’t understand how you could champion someone so bereft of intellect and criticize someone with it such as Obama.”
> We don’t know about obama’s intellect; he won’t release his grades.
“After 8 years of bush, the world is tired of America, honestly last chance for you guys, you have a great ticket with obama/biden, don’t screw it up, please, the rest of the world is really counting of you guys, we need you guys as leaders of the world but you can’t lead when you have no standing.”
> We are not here to live up to – or, in the case of obama/biden, down to – your expectations. If you don’t want our leadership, either go it alone or pick another country.
Cheers –
T
I really have a hard time believing that anyone can support a candidate who is raising funds from overseas, campaigns overseas, forgets to visit US Military in hospital, has been listening to anti-white, anti-american preaching for over 20 years, been buddies with people-killing radicals, and has the middle name of Hussein. What the hell are you democrats on? This guy is going to be worse than McGovern when the light of day shines upon him, (which will come soon with the seeds of doubt that are growing. Forget Biden, McCain or O-whatever. Palin is the real deal and folks respect that. Oh, don’t mention ACRON to O either, it’s off limits, like his middle name.
Hey Mark in Australia. Sorry to tell you, but most Americans don’t care about foreigners—what you say or what you think. If you want to be leader of the world, go ahead, have at it. Most Americans just want to live their lives quietly, watch sports on TV, cook out on the weekends, have a few beers, and spend time with their families. We don’t care about the rest of the world until it interferes with our lives. Then when that happens, we have to go somewhere and kick ass. That’s the way it has been in my lifetime. I did my tour of duty. Each generation has to do it from time to time. However, most Americans would really just like to left alone.
P.S don’t pay any attention to those stupid movies about California and New York, They have almost nothing to do with the real America.
Sarah Palin is an original, a natural. The media is allergic to such people. I hope McCain/Palin win for a lot of reasons, but top of the list is I want to see the Katie Courics of this country lose.
Sarah Palin is a doer. Biden has been in the Senate for 35 years.
Biden sees the vice presidency as a “goof off” job – sleeping til noon, playing golf, hanging with fat cats and being available to answer questions if Obama ever calls and ready tocast a tie-breaking vote in the Senate.
Palin sees the vice presidency as a means to work to advance causes from energy independence to special needs children. Sarha Palin will redefine the vice presidency. Unlike Biden, Palin has a base of power as the most popular person in the Republican Party.
As several Alaskan politicians have said, the state’s landscape is littered with the bodies of people who underestimated Sarah Palin.
The Republicans should only agree to debate under the following circumstances:
Either no moderator and just one one with each debater asking the other questions or two moderators one picked by the democrats and one picked by the Republicans.
The one picked by each would ask the questions to their opponent.
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