Into the Memory Hole
[The deleted Belmont Club entry has been restored. The article is back on Wikipedia. The undeletion is a vindication of the Wiki philosophy that "all bugs are shallow to many eyes" and a testament of the ability of an active online community to resist its elimination from an index. Both are the different aspects of the same thing. It is the feedback power of the Internet that makes so different from the old media. A single author may be marked for deletion, but the same cannot be done to hundreds or thousands of commenters without creating a "disturbance in the Force". The return of the entry was entirely due to the Belmont Club readers and of course, to Wikipedia itself. With that, this thread will closed. What follows is for the record only.]
The Belmont Club’s entry in Wikipedia has been deleted by an editor named Nihiltres on the grounds that its entry “reads like and is an advertisement for a blog/web page. I do not see how it belongs in an encyclopedia. It is neither newsworthy or notable”. That entry read as follows.
Belmont Club is a weblog that has been in existence since late April 2003. The site focuses on current affairs and public policy, often placing an emphasis on military action and foreign policy issues. The Belmont Club welcomes and supports comments by its readers. The site’s founder and primary contributor is Richard Fernandez, who runs the site under the pseudonym Wretchard the Cat and Wretchard. Fernandez also maintains a website at Wretchard.com. Fernandez is of Filipino background and has Australian citizenship. Fernandez’ interest in history began at Harvard, from where he graduated with a Masters in Public Policy. Since its founding, the Belmont Club site has generated more than eight million hits as of September 2005.
Wretchard is the name of an imaginary cat, in the words of Fernandez, “the symbol of that entire race of stoic, yet somewhat foolish creatures.” [1] Belmont is the name of a suburb Fernandez roomed in while at Cambridge, Massachusetts.
As of 2006, he is a contributor to PJ Media.• First location of Belmont Club
• Second location of Belmont Club
• Current location of Belmont Club
• Wretchard.com
Was it like an ad? Judge for yourself. The editor who deleted it describes himself in the following way.
I am Nihiltres (pronounced /nɪˈhɪlˌtɹɛs/, ni-HIL-tres), a Wikipedian. I am an administrator, and have been since a nomination in May 2007. I do a fair amount of work as an administrator, primarily deleting pages tagged for speedy deletion or proposed deletion. Aside from my administrative help, I do a bunch of work with templates, cleanup, and occasionally writing articles…
I am a science student living in Pointe Claire, on the island of Montreal. As I am a student, it’s possible to guess at my age: I would discourage people from doing so, because I wish to be ageless on Wikipedia, being judged instead on the quality of my contributions and the cogency of arguments which I put forth.
It should generally be assumed that people are inherently biased—as such, I reason that it would be appropriate to disclose these biases. In terms of political standpoint, I tend to be reasonably liberal: according to the political compass test, I scored as −4.92 on an economic scale of left versus right, and −5.25 on a social scale of libertarianism versus authoritarianism. In terms of spirituality, I am nominally a Protestant, though I abandoned those beliefs a number of years ago and now am largely agnostic, with some Buddhist leanings. I therefore follow the Five Precepts and some other tenets of Buddhism, but am otherwise agnostic. Although I am generally accepting of people’s religious beliefs, I personally greatly dislike dogma, especially those which can be categorized as pseudoscience, although I acknowledge that any argument involving an omnipotent being is necessarily inductive in nature.
The political compass test is itself a fascinating tool, but not as fascinating as the ability of a Wikipedia editor make a very substantial body of information disappear. There are currently about 1,180 posts of about 1,000 words in the current incarnation of the Belmont Club not to mention its previous versions. More importantly, readers have contributed over 94,000 comments in the current incarnation of the blog, many of them full length essays. The Belmont Club has millions upon millions of hits. ABC New’s The Note reported a survey listing it as the 80th most influential political blog in the blogosphere.
And it’s gone from Wikipedia. All 94,000 comments. The link to RWE, Life of the Mind, Pascal, Buddy Larsen, Leo Linbeck. Gone. Just like that. Deleted by “a science student living in Pointe Claire” who discourages people from inquiring into his age and whose work consists of “primarily deleting pages tagged for speedy deletion or proposed deletion”. Let me propose another article for deletion. George Orwell’s entry on the Memory Hole.
In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages, to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and in the side wall, within easy reach of Winston’s arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.
It should be merged with a fuller extract from the Chapter on Room 101 which talked about the Book. The one that was credited to Goldstein but which O’Brien largely wrote. The Book explained much of the history of the 1984 world but it left out one thing. Why did the Party cling to power? O’Brien would let Winston Smith in on the last secret.
‘The rule of the Party is for ever. Make that the starting-point of your thoughts.’ … You understand well enough HOW the Party maintains itself in power. Now tell me WHY we cling to power. What is our motive? Why should we want power? Go on, speak,’ he added as Winston remained silent. …
‘Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me? … We make the laws of nature.’ …
‘But you do not! You are not even masters of this planet. What about Eurasia and Eastasia? You have not conquered them yet.’ ‘Unimportant. We shall conquer them when it suits us. And if we did not, what difference would it make? We can shut them out of existence. Oceania is the world.’ ‘But the world itself is only a speck of dust. And man is tiny–helpless! How long has he been in existence? For millions of years the earth was uninhabited.’ ‘Nonsense. The earth is as old as we are, no older. How could it be older? Nothing exists except through human consciousness.’
‘But the rocks are full of the bones of extinct animals–mammoths and mastodons and enormous reptiles which lived here long before man was ever heard of.’ ‘Have you ever seen those bones, Winston? Of course not. Nineteenth-century biologists invented them. Before man there was nothing. After man, if he could come to an end, there would be nothing. Outside man there is nothing.’
Power means the power to delete. Power means the power to form the narrative. He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future. We of the Belmont Club are not here. But we understand.
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but shouldn’t be. wow. great comparison. The power of the bureaucrat within its fiefdom. The similarities do grow increasingly disturbing.
So it’s come to this.
‘Sit down’, ‘Shut up’.
Nihiltres sounds like an appropriate name for one who works with memory holes.
I wonder what he (nihiltres) is afraid of….
Susan Lee
Feel free to drop a note at Nihiltres “talk page.” I just did. I expect it will be gone in a minute, but oh the fun he’ll have keeping up with them all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nihiltres
I have searched Wiki for any number of items,finding many deleted. One of the editors I ran down characterized the editors as “inclusionest” or “deletionest” and made the obsevation that Wiki does not have unlimited storage nor unlimited bamdwidth, which was a reasonable statement, however he also said that the editors choose to delete or include as they saw fit. Which means that 100 could say include and 1 says delete, then it is deleted.
A deletion like this is appealable to the admins. This looks like naked POV censorship, which is (officially) a no-no.
Of course, in reality the Lefties on Wiki don’t roll that way.
Interesting. Compare the entry for Belmont Club with that for the Daily Kos: very little difference. I wonder if Nihiltres would have the guts to delete the entry for the the Daily Kos. By his standards he should.
Also there is an entry requesting that Nihiltres edit an entry for the independent film “The Seventh Coin”. The entry for the film looks like a a pretty good ad for the film.
I wonder how Nihiltres came to become an editor? How can I become an editor?
If it’s any consolation, I stopped reading Wikipedia long ago because of this kind of crap. Their censorship is the same reason the mainstream media in general is dying
i have occasionally read wiki, but have never held it in high regard as a reliable information source.
richard, there is no insult in being rejected by a slut.
Wretchard, I wouldn’t loose sleep over Mr. Nihilist. Those who understand respect your work, and read it every day. As for the rest, they hate those who are intelligent, and despise fools. If you say important and meaningful things, there will be a chorus of those who cannot understand, sticking their fingers in their ears, and shouting: “I can’t hear you”. Pay them no heed.
A badge of honor
Mr. Nothing – what an excellent name.
Does that get us off the other list also?
This is typical of Wikipedia. It is good for non-controversial stuff, at least as for finding a source for it- often quicker than Googling it. For controversial material, it is subject to bias.
While the English language entry for Salvador Allende has some bias, it is much less biased than the Spanish language version.
I occasionally look at the Wiki entry for my high school, from which I graduated some 4 decades ago. There are often nonsense entries, such as “Kobe Bryant is a graduate of this school.” These nonsense entries are usually modified within a short time. I noticed that a classmate of mine, who should have been of a maturity level to not do such a thing, once added something like “George Bush is a doofus” to the Wiki entry for my high school.
Well, Wretchard, your erudite readers are much nicer than this street fighter. I would go for the jugular. POV censorship is epidemic in this country at the moment, and should not be the purview of someone who wields with an obscene motive.
Daily Kos is an insult to the craft.
Nihiltres is a simple Nazi. There is no room in this creature’s small mind for any information other than what the swarm broadcasts. So Belmont club is pushed out of the hive. What would Buhdda think?
Now that Wiki has deleted the archives, and to judge by the new handles in the first couple of comments to this post, as well as new commenters to recent posts, perhaps it is time to introduce the newcomers to some of those who have been here a bit longer. I’ve been hanging around here for a couple of years now, and think I have the skinny on some of our fellow habitués of the best site on the web. The following thumbnails are in alphabetical, not hierarchical, order, and if anyone has additional thumbnails to offer we will be most happy to see them.
Alexis puts words down on paper
Like Mozart’s notes floating away
She makes my small words seem like vapor
She surely must write words for pay
Bob oftentimes writes with true whimsy
And often that’s just what we wish
To lighten the thread and besides that
His womenfolk clean all the fish
Yes Buddy’s demeanor is sunny
He knows quite a bit about money
The market he knows
His fortune it grows
And on top of that Buddy is funny
Now Dave has for favorites so many
But greatest, he always will state
Is that wonderful twin-boomed old Lockheed
The magnificent P-38
Doug of course speaks well and firmly
Not one of our many soft-spokens
He means what he says and he says it
That’s how he’s collected those tocquens
Habu is a snake Okanawan
And Hittite word for temple too
And driving the snakes from the temples
Is life’s work for good guy Habu
JFSanders has camera ready
His nature shots have but one stricture
The dragonfly hold himself steady
And the ladybug smile for her picture
L3 spends his days in construction
Preparing the schedules and bids
But his real life’s work job is not building
It’s seeing that schools help our kids
LOTM is a blogger
Please read me, quite often he pleads
I know how he feels ‘cause I blog too
We both have blogs nobody reads
Mad Fiddler’s into animation
His website’s an amazing place
All characters are his creation
And done with much talent and grace
Across the Atlantic a reader
We know as our friend Marie Claude
Gets mad at remarks ‘bout her country
I like her, she’s one feisty broad
Papa Ray has his guns and his ammo
We know where he thinks this is headin’
He’s got him a foxhole and weapons
All set for the next Armageddon
Subotai rides with the horse-tails
His thought processes cogent and sere
The bad guys he puts in, of course, jails
And we are quite pleased he is here
Women today are the reason
For all of our woes, Whiskey said
But most men are happy to come home
And throw woman and pay on the bed
And last but not least there is Wretchard
I’ve been here since he was a cat
I look every day for his postings
He writes with such verve and éclat
I know that I’ve left off deserving
Commenters I’ve read quite a while
I’m always impressed with their wisdom
And envy their fine writing style
This is the best site on the Internet
Best host and best comments as well
Our time with each other we’ll not forget
Log on and we stay for a spell
And lastly new name tags I’m seeing
The readership changes o’er time
For those who’ve joined lately you’re being
Introduced to the guy who does rhyme
I come here daily for one reason. Intelligent, insightful, commentary. A lack of pontification. Wretchard never really tells us what to think but just post things that make us think. Or at least that is my impression. That is why I come here. So much of the blogoshpere is just blowhards screaming in the night. This place is different. No fools here. This place is unique IMO. They should put it back on Wikipedia. This place deserves an entry.
W, it is amazing to me that you can take a slight like this and turn it into a thoughtful post. A wonderful testament to who you are.
Buddy, that was very clever; well done.
Quick, someone, we need a workup on the stats of the boatloads of readers who came to Belmont after reading the Wikipedia entry.
Nihiltres probably has singlehandedly saved the Progressivist, Leftist, Marxist, Commie-Pinko Bacon. Without his gleeful surgery, billions and billions of otherwise fully-indoctrinated zombies might have waked up and chucked their long-held delusions.
Nihiltres, delete thyself!!!
The number of referrals this site gets from the Wikipedia is very small. The downside of losing the entry from a traffic point of view is negligible. What Wikipedia has actually done is reduced the information content on its system and cut off a node hop between two edges.
Nihiltres has gratuitously generated a kind of bad publicity for Wikipedia and probably a good chunk of traffic for the Belmont Club. The operative word is “gratuitously”. There was no need to do it and yet it was done. The real horror of Orwell’s narrative about Room 101 is that it is wholly about nothing. The vast apparatus of the Party, its instruments of control and torment were ultimately about nothing. Had O’Brien the wit to see it, he would have. He never attained any power. Only the illusion of power. He was no more real than the pieces of paper he dropped down the Memory Hole. And the funny thing about was that it was wholly gratuitous. Theirs is the god of tiny things.
Like the saying goes, if you’re not drawing flak, you’re not over the target.
Deletion from Wiki on grounds flimsier than Cher’s Oscar costumes is, I would think, a form of drawing flak.
The stoopid thing about it is that rubbing out the Wiki entry is, while monumentally reprehensible, not exactly like vanishing a commissar. Cyberspace is not Stalinist Russia (not yet, anyhoo, but damned if they aren’t trying harder than ever to, in the words of Captain Picard, “make it so”). People have other avenues to access information & find the Belmont Club. People can … Google and Bing and Yahoo. People can … follow links. None of this justifies a POV deletion, but it may illustrate how trying to stamp something out on the internet is like playing whack-a-mole. Gawsh! Can you say “pa-thetic” and “ineffective”?
I think science student Nihiltres might find a job waiting at CRU after graduation. I hear they have a lot of practice at making data disappear.
Walt – the “tocquens” rhyme was superlative!
I urge anyone who comments on Nihiltres’ page to be very careful- all the IPs used to post are logged by the system, and can be viewed when you click the “history” button. I personally have reservations that the average leftwing wiki user can be trusted to behave responsibly with that information.
P.S. Cats are stoic??
“Power means the power to delete.”
on many places I was (and still) deleted (or moderated), except on BC
I like this place too, it’s not a “private” club with one sided view, where I had the chance to show my point of view too. I learnt a lot from the commentors, it’s kinda updating some forgotten knowledge, some disciplines weren’t particurlarly holding my attention before, now, I can say that I know more on money business, on policies, on how the americans are really alike, on my country too.
Walt, thanks for quoting me on your honnor board, I am very proud of that
jaybird,
I owe you an apology.
My comment from Nihiltres’ wiki Talk page:
The Sorcerer’s Apprentice
The Belmont Club is deleted by Nihitres the Nihilist. Prejudice unencumbered by wisdom, learning, or experience sits in judgment. If this system worked rationally the senior administrators would see that you are destroying the value of their product and remove you quickly. One day you may have the misfortune of stepping outside of the cossetted air of the university Common Room or even face life in the private sector. My expectation is that with your ignorant and presumptuous penchant to not just criticize but to damage the value of what others work on, I am here referring to the Wikipedia, you would not last three days.
Can you see him pushing a mop?
wretchard,
Power means the power to delete
Power can also mean the power not to delete. Oskar Schidnler told Amon Goth that true power was the power of the King to say “I pardon you.” It did not take but at least he tried.
The Hindus, to not do them justice, give Brahman or God three aspects, Brahman the Creator, Vishnu the Preserver and Shiva the Destroyer. We can not create as God can but we can explore creation and preserve.
Walt,
Guilty
I added the page back and got this message on my talk page:
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So that is what happened to the wiki entry! I had googled Belmont club a few days ago and had to view the ‘cached’ entry to even be able to read some of it.
Removal of Belmont from wiki? What dorks.
VDH has an explanation:
I watched V tonight. Twists and turns and the reptilians who are impersonating humans have a terrible plan for the human race.
Stay tuned.
A warning perhaps for all of us.
Papa Ray
No big deal—anyone who wants can still find BC on Google which is infinitely more important.
I just went there, typed belmont club (no quotes) and it said 1,760,000 hits.
If you can be googled, you exist. Wiki doesn’t matter.
Speaking of the Memory Hole, whatever happened to Wretchard’s video from September ’08 on the financial crash? I can’t find it on Youtube! Has it also been subject to censorship for its anti-corporate message??
Wretchard, Mr. Nihiltres has been insufficiently thorough in cleansing wikiworld of your name and blog. You still live, if only for awhile, on wiki’s list of notable blogs no less at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_blogs
Some other notables that made the list of 100 or so blogs are The Huffington Post, Hot Air, Little Green Footballs etc.
Read the Huffington Post entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Huffington_Post “The Huffington Post publishes scoops of current news stories” “The Huffington Post’s OffTheBus is a citizen-powered online news organization” “The Huffington Post is ranked the most powerful blog in the world by The Observer” Wow!!!!!!!!
Fire up the basement boiler Nihiltres, those entries ain’t gonna burn themselves.
When Lenin died and Stalin intensified the terrors, Lenin’s widow, Nadezhda Krupskaya began to harangue Stalin about his excesses. Stalin replied, “If you don’t shut up, we’ll make someone else Lenin’s widow.”
Nihiltres’ name is an anagram for “Hitler’s In” (as in “Hitler is present”).
wretchard,
Theirs is the god of tiny things
Tiny things count. There are people who would destroy ideas and they do not stop there.
Jews say that if you save a single life you save a world.
H/T to wikiquote
DJS@19:
“So much of the blogoshpere is just blowhards screaming in the night.”
I resemble that remark.
Wikipedia is hardly the official source for anything and being thrown from its memory hole is hardly a big deal. Ya ever notice its those on the left that like to get positions of power and control and censor.
PACat, great catch –also you can drop the apostrophe and go with “hitler sin”. Hmm, what would ‘hitler sin’ have been, i mean, what little thing in his being made him an active monster? i’d say he felt he was a man of destiny –selected by the gods to delete the world one piece at a time.
“i tril hens” fits nicely, too, i think, from having read the autobio thumb; the ‘tril’ could be a phonetic French-Canadian ‘thrill’, see.
Or to go too far and squash any possibility of humor in my comment, there’s “sir hen lit” the ‘sir hen’ being a lampoon of a fussy hen-like being who thinks himself noble, of nobility, and acts out when drinking, or drunk (‘lit’ that is).
If Wikipedia is applying a consistent standard in this deletion then I respect the right of Wikipedia to conduct its own business.
For instance: If Wikipedia is deleting all political blogs except the top 25 or 50…
I doubt this to be the case but facts are facts, I’m sure we can agree.
Where does one find authoritative political blog rankings?
Wretchard you just pwned Nihiltres
IMHO, the fact that Daily KOS is still an active entry @ the wiki, adds major insult to this injury.
#41 “Where does one find authoritative political blog rankings?”
http://truthlaidbear.com/ecosystem.php
don’t know if it’s authoritative, though.
Warning! Trite sayings in the tube.
“One bad apple can spoil the whole barrel.”
This is the problem with Wikipedia. I don’t think the concept is sustainable in the long run. Sooner or later even non-political entries will be corrupted, since to an ideologue everything is political. I expect that articles on firearms are not long for existence.
Initially, I thought Wiki deletion was innocuous. As in – “eh – who cares?”
But, I think we can generally agree that Left-wing ideology is increasingly of the hive mind; that is, there is little original thought, and all actions are referenced to the hive or leftist progressivism in it’s various perversions. Most on the left share a common ideology and spend a great deal of time referencing each other.
If BC is deleted from Wiki, then Google may follow. At least we have Bing to act somewhat as a counterweight, now, to that hive. It is possible to choke off the Right – kill the internet.
I’ve read just recently that we’re in the early stages of a real culture war. I personally believe we’re entering the middle stages and are far past the early stages. Actions, as the left will find out, have consequences. If we’re lucky, we’ll begin to reverse the trend in November at the ballot box.
Wretchard, I do appreciate BC and your efforts. Keep it coming!
We must be doing something right if this editor guy deletes us. We are like ghosts……
Wiki pulls this stuff and they will disappear themselves. Pardon the ribaldness, but the editor’s deletion reminds me of the verses of a song:
Then came the Village Magician, who gave us all a laugh
He pulled his foreskin over his head and vanished up his a$$….
“I have become Nihiltres, destroyer of blog references.”
Somehow, I think the original version in Sanskrit sounds better.
The memory hole has a paradox. The State must keep records on every person it deletes from the public historical record. Otherwise, the State would become unaware of the “unpersons” in its midst and thus become vulnerable to them.
When I think of the “unperson”, I consider the sheer amount of paperwork necessary to keep the existence of an “unperson” out of public view.
Perhaps Wretchard the Cat and the rest of the BCers are becoming the stealth operators of the Net, like T.S. Eliot’s Macavity:
Macavity’s a Mystery Cat: he’s called the Hidden Paw–
For he’s the master criminal who can defy the Law.
He’s the bafflement of Scotland Yard, the Flying Squad’s despair:
For when they reach the scene of crime–Macavity’s not there!
Macavity, Macavity, there’s no one like Macavity,
He’s broken every human law, he breaks the law of gravity.
His powers of levitation would make a fakir stare,
And when you reach the scene of crime–Macavity’s not there!
You may seek him in the basement, you may look up in the air–
But I tell you once and once again, Macavity’s not there!
Macavity’s a ginger cat, he’s very tall and thin;
You would know him if you saw him, for his eyes are sunken in.
His brow is deeply lined with thought, his head is highly doomed;
His coat is dusty from neglect, his whiskers are uncombed.
He sways his head from side to side, with movements like a snake;
And when you think he’s half asleep, he’s always wide awake.
Macavity, Macavity, there’s no one like Macavity,
For he’s a fiend in feline shape, a monster of depravity.
You may meet him in a by-street, you may see him in the square–
But when a crime’s discovered, then Macavity’s not there!
He’s outwardly respectable. (They say he cheats at cards.)
And his footprints are not found in any file of Scotland Yard’s.
And when the larder’s looted, or the jewel-case is rifled,
Or when the milk is missing, or another Peke’s been stifled,
Or the greenhouse glass is broken, and the trellis past repair–
Ay, there’s the wonder of the thing! Macavity’s not there!
And when the Foreign Office finds a Treaty’s gone astray,
Or the Admiralty lose some plans and drawings by the way,
There may be a scrap of paper in the hall or on the stair–
But it’s useless of investigate–Macavity’s not there!
And when the loss has been disclosed, the Secret Service say:
“It must have been Macavity!”–but he’s a mile away.
You’ll be sure to find him resting, or a-licking of his thumbs,
Or engaged in doing complicated long division sums.
Macavity, Macavity, there’s no one like Macacity,
There never was a Cat of such deceitfulness and suavity.
He always has an alibi, or one or two to spare:
And whatever time the deed took place–MACAVITY WASN’T THERE!
And they say that all the Cats whose wicked deeds are widely known
(I might mention Mungojerrie, I might mention Griddlebone)
Are nothing more than agents for the Cat who all the time
Just controls their operations: the Napoleon of Crime!
(“Crime” in the eyes of the Left, it goes without saying.)
Fark Nihiltres and his singularitistic tendencies, maybe he look in a mirror and disappear.
And fark Wikipedia as the bathroom wall of encyclopedias.
This is Not Trivial.
The Ruthlessness Is Spreading. Sound the tocsin, People of the West.
Totally off-topic:
I just had a weird vision of people with tax-bracket i.d. cards for purchases (to cover everything from groceries to televisions).
Your tax-bracket determines the ‘price’ you will be charged for said item/s. There will no longer be ‘price-tags’ on anything any longer but instead there will just be electronic scanners that scan your shopper i.d. card to show you what price you will be charged whilst the shopper beside you may pay more or far less or even nothing at all. All
in the name of ‘equality’ so that everyone can eat organic arugula and gourmet goat cheese.
Something tells me Leftists have already thought of this idea.
(Thanks for letting me air that out, I didn’t know where else to put it).
#31 Papa Ray:
Given that I am about to go offline to watch ‘V’ [we taped it] as it comes back, it fits very well with this discussion. If you remember, after the first few episodes it went on hiatus. The reason was they had to re-work parts of it because “Anna” and her plan was being compared to often to a certain Buraq Hussein Obama, especially with the universal healthcare they were giving to the humans. I am curious about the sanitized version, but if it is too blatantly censored, like wikipedia, I have enough horrors of that type to watch in our real world.
#18 Walt:
Thank you, I am not worthy.
Back to the original topic. I assume that “Nihiltres” is looking forward to a job with our new regime once he graduates, with the Ministry of Truth.
Subotai Bahadur
FIW, Nihiltres just responded:
============ Begin response
Hi, I’d like to explain the deletion of the Belmont Club article, but I’m very tired, so I’ll give a point-form summary of the relevant issues:
* The article was deleted through the proposed deletion (“PROD”) process, which is very straightforward. Please understand the nature of this process:
o Articles are only deleted under prod after being tagged for 7 days (168 hours) with no visible objections to deletion.
o The rationale in the deletion summary is provided by the nominator, not the admin who comes to carry out the deletion at the end of the 7-day period. The administrator is only involved in the process to carry out the sensitive act of deletion itself, since not everyone can be trusted with administrative tools like deletion, page protection, or blocking.
* In this case, Scythian77 added the nomination—but please, do not simply go and harass him/her. If you really feel the need to comment on it to him/her, give him/her at least a minimum of civility.
* The article can be undeleted. Articles on Wikipedia aren’t really deleted, they’re simply marked “deleted” and are only visible to administrators. This helps make administrative tasks, just like everything else on the wiki, reversible if applied incorrectly.
* Articles deleted by proposed deletion can be undeleted on request—but I’m not going to undelete the article right away. I’m annoyed at the flood of hate I’ve gotten here, and being sick and tired (literally) I currently have a short temper. I’m going to let everyone, myself included, cool down for a while, instead.
* After this point, I’ll simply revert the addition of abusive comments here. Feel free to make useful, civil comments—but I will revert with prejudice anything rude.
Cheers, {{Nihiltres|talk|edits|⚡}} 05:06, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
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re: Nihiltres
A classic narcissist in every conceivable way. He emphasizes himself, how tired HE is, how annoyed HE is, how distressed HE is, and of course, how privileged and ALL powerful HE IS. Empowering someone like that as an “admin” on Wikipedia merely diminishes the enterprise. After all, whatever the charter and goals of Wikipedia, mostly, it’s clearly all about Nihiltres.
OldSalt
hoax –no one is that insufferable.
IMO, The best summary of the overall worth of Wikipedia and its editors actually came from a cartoon from “Penny Arcade”.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/12/16/
The essay that Tycho accompanied it with is also worth reading.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/2005/12/16/
It’s worth remembering that from 2005 to the present day nothing about Wiki has ever really changed. It’s still pretty useless for the most part. Wiki is OK as an occasional starting point for research but is hardly to relied upon for anything more than that. The pointless vandelism their editors often engage in will always make certain of that.
As for Nihiltres, I doubt he will ever be a scientist even if he is a student of anything more scientific than astrology though doubtless with his current attitude he would have a bright future in the Climate Research Unit of East Anglia or any similar outfit of technophobic scam artists who fear any future where they do not get to surpress evidence and knowledge. Real scientists, even as students, have better things to do with their lives than the playing of Wiki’s little censorship games.
What I’d like to know is who is “Scythian77″ – the one who nominated BC for deletion on the grounds that it is neither newsworthy nor notable. Just some average nobody lefty or somebody officially on TeamObama?
Scythian77′s profile is here.
It has interesting…interests.
Well, I never tire of referring and recommending The Belmont Club for Wretchard’s thoughtful writing, and the generally insightful commentary.
Wiki? Not so much. For items that can’t be spun leftward, it is not a bad starting point- at least they give you lots of links to follow.
For anything The Left does not laud? Be very, very careful… we’re hunting Wabbits…
Wikipedia, heal thyself!
“31. Papa Ray:
VDH has an explanation:
We Are All Pods Now”
…-
“The Pods
Most contemporary whites are docilely or actively complicit in their own displacement, disappropriation, and disproportional share of rape, battery and murder by more savage peoples who have fewer scruples.
The epitome is the Amy Biehl Syndrome. Amy Biehl was a young poster-girl “progressive”: blonde and upper–middle class, young and pretty, Stanford graduate and Fulbright scholar on a mission to help South Africa.
One day in 1993, Amy drove to the shantytown of Gugutelu, on a do-good mission. A mob of 80 black men started throwing rocks on her car. She got out of the car and was stabbed and killed on the spot.
Four men were convicted of the murder. They spent five years in prison before applying for pardon. Amy Biehl’s parents came to the pardon hearings, in her father’s words, “as Amy came, in a spirit of committed friendship.”
The Biehls not only forgave their daughter’s killers. They established a charitable foundation for the benefit of Gugutelu’s youngsters, and employed two of Amy’s killers in it. Mrs. Biehl has said about her daughter’s murderers, “It was like an adoption. These were just children who didn’t have a chance to have a childhood.”
The Biehls are not monsters, but loving parents who decided to upend the laws of gravity in the social and moral realms. Except for small and esoteric sects like the Indian Jains, this particular inclination appears only among whites. And, except for one, no analogy conveys this bizarre refusal to perceive reality, as though the act of suspending an idea could suspend the object of the idea. Indeed, no true leftist – whether Marxist, cultural Marxist, Christian social penitent, New York liberal or Amsterdam libertine — will ever let reality interfere with a good theory.
That’s why I think of them as “Pods” and of us as “Nonpods.” I use these words in the context of one of the great masterpieces of American cinema, “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”, released in 1956 and directed by Don Siegel, based on a novel by Jack Finney. In it, a doctor returns to a small California town to find out that one by one, its people, most of whom he has known all his life, have been replaced by dopplegängers.”
“From Meccania to Atlantis – Part 1: The March of the Body Snatchers”
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3612
Here is one possible alternative to Wikipedia, it has an openly stated conservative point of view:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
Best regards, Peter Warner.
Podsville.
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“Rapist who dumped victim can stay in UK to marry
Alphonse Semo, who left his victim’s body on a rubbish tip, won right to stay two hours before he was due to get on a plane”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/
I didn’t know you went to Harvard. You seem so normal.
Anyways, wiki is free, more or less. I’ve found as I’ve grown decayed that you often don’t get what you pay for, but never get what you don’t pay for, so I am not surprised.
By the way, we have a Harvard/info control connection. When I was a kid wandering around Cambridge I wandered into a Harvard library. After a while security came and gave me the boot. I thought the library was public, as I had never had been asked to leave a library ever.
Since …well…forever, information control has been in my opinion the main source of population control. Weather it was keeping the Latin Mass and the Bible away from Catholics that the church bureaucracy did up til Martin Luther and Gutenberg, or the usual Nazi/Communist. Then of course there was Orwell’s BBC and the British elite. The pattern is the same. Info control, special language, heading population s like cattle.
We know the Internet has eroded all sorts of control systems. The recent Google vs Chinese for instance. I wonder how the …usual suspects.. will morph over time to maintain the curtain upon which they like to project manufactured visions?
I’d wear this as a badge of honor, not a slight. Wikipedia has had great difficulty in aligning it’s content with the truth and is a highly manipulated source that no genuine scholar would list.
Developed in liberal St. Petersburg, FL the number of complaints about it’s veracity are already legend. Does it truly offend any of the contributors that Wikipedia has dropped BC?
“Nihiltres” is so much hotter on line…
Somebody should tell the kid that his Mom called and he’s late to his shift at the Pizza Pit. Time to see if he can get that old Hyundai started…
Add this to the catalog of great white-washes in history.
AP: “UK ‘Climategate’ inquiry largely clears scientists.”
For the AP this was a balanced report once you get past the lede.
There is nothing to see here. You may count on the superior learning of your Lords and Masters who have conducted a thorough internal review. There is no need for a formal public inquiry.
Lord Denning did better.
To be blogged under the title “The Leak Inquiry”
Wiki is much like the MSM it changes data and lore to suit a political agenda of the people who have no life other than that of deleteing or adding data or lore into an on line information storage area.
I go to wiki for info I always make sure I go other places to fact check wiki for this reason.
It’s kinda like Cliff notes on line not to be believed as it reads everytime.
Nihiltres Needs to get a life and back away from his screen.
I’ve just returned from requesting to undelete Belmont Club from Wikipedia and see that it has just been undeleted. I imagine that my request was just one of many.
This is what I found:
Belmont_Club
* Belmont_Club • ( talk | logs | links | watch ) • [revisions]
Inconsistent application of deletion criteria to articles about blogs -76.115.88.179 (talk) 08:29, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
PROD process did not invite input; the article can be made ‘advertisement-free’ if it is any worse than others of its kind; just needed notification of the perceived need -FChE (talk) 10:46, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
YesY Done – as a contested proposed deletion, the article has been restored on request. Cheers, Arbitrarily0 (talk) 12:27, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
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The fact that Daily Kos remains while Belmont Club was deleted tells me all I need to know about Wikipedia.
Like Habu, I think wretchard should interpret the deletion as a badge of honor.
Jamie Irons
At the risk of drawing hostile fire allow me to present this.
Today is the end of the first quarter of business…
HAVE YOU VISITED THE TIP JAR YET?
Neither you, Wiki, nor your rabid “editors”,
nor the Romans, nor the Jews,
nor Judas, nor the 12, nor the Priests, nor the Scribes,
nor doomed Jerusalem itself;
Understand what Power is
Understand what Glory is
Understand at all.
The article on Belmont Club has been restored to Wikipedia.
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Okay, let me see if I have this straight.
You can go to Wikipedia and look up individual Playboy Playmates – and without their characteristic pictures, which is about the most useless thing I can think of.
But you can’t look up The Belmont Club.
Okay, got it. Read you 5 by 5, Wiki. Out.
Hmmh. I’m reminded of John Derbyshire’s past run-in with The Exalted Hive Mind Oracle of All Accepted Truthiness (aka Wikipedia).
See his article Wiki Wars.
People, from what I can see, Belmont Club has been UNDELETED. Why? I guess it’s because of the “inconsistent application of deletion criteria to articles about blogs” and because the “PROD process did not invite input; the article can be made ‘advertisement-free’ if it is any worse than others of its kind; just needed notification of the perceived need.” That’s what the administrators wrote.
Someone named “Arbitrarily0″ announced today that the article on Belmont Club has been “restored by request.”
Couple questions. Why do these Wiki administrators use pseudonyms? Who made the final decision to undelete the article?
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Habu,
I’d wear this as a badge of honor
While within our small community that may be true as an issue in the greater contest of ideas I must disagree without I hope being disagreeable.
The core of Wikipedia is the Britannica 11th edition of 1911. That is an invaluable resource that people should be encouraged to access. The wiki is also the first place that many people go to when exploring a wide range of subjects, especially students. If we are concerned about how the education system is failing our civilization then we want to ensure that the best and least biased information is available to those students. We who frequent this Club have repeatedly reviewed the many challenges facing us. The consensus appears to be that there are only three possible responses;
1. surrender,
2. rebellion,
3. engagement.
The first I find unacceptable and the second while possible, or even important to be willing to accept if circumstances warrant it, is one that we must to be true to our own values avoid if at all possible. That leaves engagement. We must prove that we cherish our civilization and Constitution and are seeking to preserve them. That means involvement in local politics and education. From that it follows that we must care about the quality of the information that students access. It does no good to rail against the wiki and say that students should learn better search techniques. We all use the wiki too, if only to find out how the information stream is being polluted.
If a good high school or college student is preparing an assignment on the naval event in Korea, or the Health Care vote or Climategate, we want them to do a search and find the Belmont Club on the list of results. If they are researching the War on Terror we want them to find the “Three Conjectures,” which I think should be available on a side bar link under the heading “Classics.”
We know that they will and maybe should look at the wiki to find out about the sources offered and to find out if they are credible enough to consider or even spend time looking at. If the wiki does not include the BC but does include the HuffPo then thousands of students will potentially be cut off from us. Our ability to engage in the conversation where it counts, that is outside of this narrow circle, will be reduced. That is a real impact that hurts us.
In another issue if not being listed in the wiki reduces traffic to here, even if those visitors would not be direct referrals from the wiki, then that costs the owners of PJM advertising revenue.
We have yet to see a culture where “Love your neighbor as yourself” gets top billing. Never will. Not on this planet anyway.
“Do no harm” would probably work pretty good but then where we would find the people to make up the intricate train schedules from Paris to Treblinka or repair the broken hasps on the cattle car doors? Not that deleting a Wiki entry is comparable but don’t we first need to establish a culture where the little harms go unnoticed and unrepented?
From there we can work our way to up to the bigger harms. Maybe find a California Congressman who can use the subpoena power to badger and humiliate corporate executives who follow mandatory accounting rules that reveal uncomfortable truths, or maybe find an editorial board of a major newspaper who can use carefully selected half-truths from a 20 year old story to badger and humiliate a Pope?
There is fun to be had by all working for the greater good. But where can we find such people?
An ageless student from Montreal might be up to the task if given the opportunity. And then again ageless students from Montreal seek out the kinds of jobs where the Rules and Procedures allow them to do harm, and especially if they dislike dogma that makes them uncomfortable with their own feeling of omnipotence.
When I was young and stupid I used to think that evil on a grand scale was a mistake of history perpetrated by a different kind of human. Now that I’m old and stupid I can see that it just takes a little while to overcome the revulsion and erase the memories of the past horror enough to rebuild a culture where doing harm for the greater good is again OK.