The Politico says that the Obama administration is regrouping after its health care “reforms” advocacy campaign encountered stiff resistance.
Top White House aides gave Senate Democrats a recess battle plan on Thursday, arming the lawmakers with tips for avoiding disastrous town hall meetings while showing them polling on popular aspects of the reform effort. … They showed video clips of the confrontational town halls that have dominated the media coverage, and told senators to do more prep work than usual for their public meetings by making sure their own supporters turn out, senators and aides said. … “If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard,” Messina said, according to an official who attended the meeting.”
Translation: The administration underestimated the opposition and was rocked back on its heels. But it promises its troops that the next time out it will bring up the reinforcements and crush all before it. Can they do it? Maybe. The Obama campaign has the proven capability to muster its troops. It has blitzed the opposition before. But the mere fact it had to dig deep and mobilize its grassroots and publicists means that their intelligence is imperfect. They were surprised when they shouldn’t have been. Behind the bluster a certain shadow of doubt has crept into their councils.
The grassroots conservative pushbacks have been stiffening the spines of Congressional Republicans who have been doing a wonderful job of leading from the rear. Sen. Bob Casey (D-Pa.) said, “In our committee, we had to vote, and 10 Republicans voted against all those insurance reforms — every single one of them. Not many people know that but if I have anything to do with it, they will know it.” Another source said “If Republicans aren’t there, it could get to the point where sometime after the recess. … Democrats may have to go in a different direction. I hope not, but we have to face facts.” Possible translation: if the Republicans get really scared of their constituencies, it might be hard to cut a deal. The Boston Globe describes the situation in an article titled “Dream of DC Bipartisanship Shrivels”.
Hopes for a bipartisan approach to solving the nation’s ills, a goal President Obama made a core element of his “change’’ election campaign pitch, have virtually evaporated as party-line feuding and harsh exchanges between political leaders overshadow their earlier efforts to work together. The Supreme Court confirmation of Judge Sonia Sotomayor yesterday garnered just nine GOP votes in the Senate. … The proposed expansion of healthcare coverage to all Americans – an ambitious undertaking that Democrats desperately hoped would win bipartisan backing – is evolving with little GOP support. Obama and Democratic Senate leaders in recent days have raised the possibility of trying to pass a healthcare overhaul without reaching across the aisle, using a parliamentary maneuver to prevent Republicans from blocking the bill with a filibuster.
If the Democrats do “punch back twice as hard” it will benefit the conservative grassroots organizers immensely. The Left already has a hard core of activists where the conservatives simply had a bunch of guys with day jobs who were becoming involved in ways they’ve never done before. Any encounter between these two sides will result in the asymmetrical radicalization of the conservatives. Every encounter will generate relatively more activists for the conservatives than it will for the Left. Continued indefinitely the lopsided exchange might change the balance of forces. But Obama is determined; he’s trying to “move forward” at the very edge of his envelope, at a time when government is out of money, facing declining tax revenues, at a moment when his popularity is at or below 50%. He is confident in his Old Guard and strangely obsessed with conceding nothing; in retaining and extending all the ground he has taken; in standing fast. There must be no retreat. Hope and change must hold in place. But in any prolonged face off with the amateurs they’ll discover that the newbies don’t stay newbies forever. Maybe the Administration will hit back twice as hard when the bell rings and grin, but there are ten more rounds to go.
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Pray. Pray for the troubles to be light, for your tribulations to be bearable, and for the swift return of Jesus. There is no turning back now. No matter how hard consertatives (small govt. types..non-socialists) try, things are never going back. The left has too many years unabated in their fight for the hearts and minds of Americans. Pubs and others in leadership roles, especially in the last 15 years have pulled their punches, negotiated, and comprimised, while the other side never did. Now it is too late. Too much ground has been given. I don’t predict a socialist take over, or a communist paradise, but we will never get back to free men again. There will be much strife, social unreast, economic turmoil, death, desease, political oppression, war..well the list goes on. And comming to furition faster than we imagine. Only bright side, Jesus is coming to take his friends home to heaven. That is the only HOPE there truly is.
I’ve seen LA City politicians in concert with GE use SEIU members to intimidate large crowds before to push a GE project. It was pretty frightening. Most people left because they feared a riot.
These town halls could get ugly. The reaction of the American People to this new intimidation tactic will be key.
“Radicalized coservatives” is an oxymoron. Once provoked to resistance, former “consevatives” transmogrify into Cultural Revolutionaries, or Counterrevolutionary Whites opposing Marxist Revolutionary Reds anomolous to the Russian Civil War.
What are you “Conservatives” trying to conserve, anyway?
Cannoneer – Thank you for adding definition to the lexicon. If you are against the current regime in DC, you are not (no longer) conservative but Counter revolutionary. I like that. Libertarian is another good title, but I like counter-revolution. I remember back durring the election, one home in our neighborhood had a large O poster hanging proudly out front that simpley said, “Revolution” (with a nice profile of the One emblazoned in red and blue of course)
When the people with day jobs (who could not take time off to join rallies in the past) lose those jobs (thanks to Obama, Pelosi, and Reid) there just might be a vigorous, intelligent, informed,and motivated hoard of foot soldiers for the counter revolution.
A while back Wretchard posted that the folk who stood behind Obama during the campaign knew that much of what he was pontificating was simple bulconguava – they knew he didn’t mean any of it. They did not care if he was lying, because they knew he’d come around sooner or later and do, just what they expected him to do.
I have always been rather amazed at those who call themselves Satanists, folk who worship a being known by many names, just one of them being the “Father of Lies.”
I imagined a conversation with one of them might go something like this:
Me: “But he is known as the Father of Lies,” that means that he is probably lying to you about everything he promised.”
Satanist: “Yeah, I know. Cool, huh?”
A while back Wretchard posted that the folk who stood behind Obama during the campaign knew that much of what he was pontificating was simple bulconguava – they knew he didn’t mean any of it. They did not care if he was lying, because they knew he’d come around sooner or later and do, just what they expected him to do.
The dumber ones would have seen that far and no further; heard the “second channel” and smiled to themselves, thinking that this or that Leftist fantasy would come true. I’m not worried about them. The true believers are always the cannon fodder. The smarter ones I think, have calculated one step further. They heard the signal on Obama’s Second Channel and realized right then and there that they were looking at a crisis. They are calculating past Obama to what happens when the bloom is off the rose; they don’t love him. They are using him. It’s a mistake to believe that the only opportunities which existed occurred around November 2008. No. That was the smaller opportunity. There’s another round of opportunity that may take place around 2010.
This is at the root of my unease about an uncritical “bring it on” mentality. The Constitution is there, the frameworks are there to keep the really nasty opportunists at bay. In the heat of argument it’s tempting to forget that. In the days ahead strengthening the foundations will play as much a role as shaking them. The really dangerous guys know that a crisis will also sweep away restraint. That must always be borne in mind or they will make an appearance. Keeping things together and successfully navigating a crisis means knowing which restraints must never be allowed to weaken as much as knowing which must be challenged. “Revolution” is a game that opportunists play; it can mean simply smashing things. “Some men just want to watch the world burn.” Any parasite can do that. But restoring democracy, or getting it to function is much harder task. It’s like surgery. You want the patient to live, because you are the patient, whether you realize it or not.
I smell Bull Connor here. A person out of his element using old tactics. BHO may find more and more pictures of old people roughed up. Is this the beginning …..?
I, for one, welcome the efforts of the left to “punch back twice as hard”. They are comprised of beta males and shrill females, have little backbone to back up their bluster, and can’t fight worth a darn.
The sooner we finally settle things between our sides, the better.
Older people roughed up….yup, right on Drudge now is a picture of an older guy roughed up by Obama’s thugs. Makes a good picture, really. How many people are going to have sympathy with this? Not many, I’d venture. Roughing up old people at a meeting about a health program, in which they have a vital interest.
I’d bet a dollar to a donut that Obama’s all time historical hero is Leon Trotsky, the charismatic revolutionary intellectual who wrote books between the times that he lined opponents up against the wall. All for a grand purpose, of course.
This article from Brown University, The End of Dissent, is a collection of Obama’s campaign tactics with enough detail to see how little regard the man has for the niceties of civility and fair play.
Obama is a different kind of politician. He is outside the American Experience. His boundaries are not custom, tradition, or even the Constitution.
Where force is necessary, there it must be applied boldly, decisively and completely. But one must know the limitations of force; one must know when to blend force with a maneuver, a blow with an agreement. Leon Trotsky
Dick and Jane have no clue about the shitstorm that is about to descend upon them.
… a core element of his “change’’ election campaign pitch …
Was this articulated during the campaign? We heard much about his great delivery, but little about matters of substance. Was it there (but unreported) or is this statement a retrospective interpretation of an unspoken, subliminal text?
This is at the root of my unease about an uncritical “bring it on” mentality… restoring democracy, or getting it to function is much harder task. It’s like surgery.
You’ve been in a “revolution,” wretchard, so I pay close attention to your opinions on the subject. And yes, I hope we’ll see the ship of state make a course correction in 2010 and 2012.
What worries me is that our citizenry’s moral and political compass is so damaged we can’t correct course in a gentle manner, especially given the Left’s lock on academia and government, assisted by a technology that allows them to report “errant” neighbors straight to the White House.
I’m presently reading the letters of American author Flannery O’Connor, who many folks don’t realize was a devout, conservative Catholic. I came across the following just this morning. IT WAS WRITTEN IN 1958. It’s simple, but seminal.
The notion of the perfectibility of man came about at the time of the Enlightenment in the 18th century. This is what the South has traditionally opposed. ‘How far we have fallen’ means the fall of Adam, the fall from innocence, from sanctifying grace. The South in other words still believes that man has fallen and that he is only perfectible by God’s grace, not by his own unaided efforts. The Liberal approach is that man has never fallen, never incurred guilt, and is ultimately perfectible by his own efforts. Therefore, evil in this light is a problem of better housing, sanitation, health, etc, and all mysteries will eventually be cleared up. Judgment is out of place because man is not responsible. Of course, there are degrees of adherence to this, all sorts of mixtures, but it is the direction the modern heads toward.
Wrichard writes: “The Constitution is there, the frameworks are there to keep the really nasty opportunists at bay.”
We have something to learn from our hemispherean brethren in Honduras, who have stood up against most of the world, and against Obama, relying on principles primarily to counter the goons and parasites.
“Only bright side, Jesus is coming to take his friends home to heaven. That is the only HOPE there truly is.”
I prefer to think of Jesus looking down at us and saying “I gave you free will and the brain to go along with it. Get off your rear-ends and fight for your God-given rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”.
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
- Sun Tzu
The left’s perception of their opposition is simply a Freudian projection of themselves. Yes, indeed, push back harder. The ministers in London did.
Kindly expand on “calculating past Obama” in #7.
Salt Lick is correct. This is what drives the utopian dreams of the left. They believe they can engineer a perfect world by pulling the right lever, by manipulating the environment. A world in which B.F. Skinner is Secretary of Health. This is the path the “noble” idealists took that led to the murder of millions of people who could not or chose not to conform to their utopian model.
Confrontation is coming. To use a poker metaphor, the Left has pushed all-in hoping their opponents will fold. We must call. But we must call as Martin Luther King Jr., not John Brown.
Kindly expand on “calculating past Obama” in #7.
It’s straightforward. Every astute player figures out the angles. In Obama’s case his Presidency may either be a success or a failure, and his backers, if they had any sense at all, must have realized that there was pretty good chance it would be a failure, especially knowing their man. The characteristic of opportunists is that they’ll tag along with you, but only as far as it suits their purposes. At the right time they’ll switch horses. This is how gold diggers and fair weather friends operate. Laugh and world laughs with you; cry and you cry alone.
There’s nothing new in this. While some collaborators got their desserts in the Second World War more often than not they prospered as the armies came and went. So I figure that the really smart boys in Obama’s camp have calculated that he’ll crash and burn and have laid away plans accordingly. Happens all the time in Third World countries, where Su Exelencia General El Bruto is replaced by El Presidente Sobaco Grajo. The only thing that will keep opportuntists from replacing each other is institutional restraint, standards and a watchful populace. Left to themselves the snakes will slither.
What we have come to call “conservative” or the Right is a group of principles whose definitional names have been invented by those who hate those principles.
More on the radicalization of ex-conservatives:
I don’t want to preserve the cultural status quo, I want to overthrow it. Then we can pull the statist weeds up by the roots and burn them in freedom’s fire, just like our Founding Fathers did. Do you think they were conservatives? Conservatives don’t start revolutions; they simply make sure their shackles are made no heavier.
Correction to my #3 above: analogous not anomolous.
wretchard,
He is confident in his Old Guard and strangely obsessed with conceding nothing; in retaining and extending all the ground he has taken; in standing fast. There must be no retreat.
May he meet his Stalingrad.
But in any prolonged face off with the amateurs they’ll discover that the newbies don’t stay newbies forever.
At the beginning of the Peloponnesian Wars the superiority of the Spartiates in battle was such a given that the Athenians went to extraordinary lengths to avoid challenging it. Fighting Sparta was the ancient equivalent of the “land war in Asia.” It was also considered a given on both sides that the Athenian fleet was an invinceble strategic weapon. After 30 years of almost constant warfare the Athenians saw their fleet destroyed and the all the hoplites in the greek polis, who were really small farmers, had become battle hardened veterans. Ultimately the Spartans were defeated on land at Platea.
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I am reposting this from “In the interests of honest debate.”
One reason people got excited is that it was so unnecessary to run this, if taken at face value with best intentions, rumor collecting operation from the White House. Soros, who owns this administration, has already set up Factcheck.org and they have dozens of other media outlets toiling on their behalf. So why the need to drag in the symbol of the Executive Mansion? Was it just to rub salt in the wounds of conservatives? A variation of Clinton’s renting out the Lincoln bedroom to prove it is theirs now? Much of what happens seems to be designed by Axelrod and company to deliberately inflame the Right in order to discredit it.
Fly over country gets wise and the Democrats suddenly realize they have been treated as mushrooms.
kept in the dark and fed bullshit.
At this rate in the next election the Republican’s can recycle “HOPE AND CHANGE” to use against the Democrats.
johan,
I call Moby Troll alert. Wretchard please protect this site and your companions.
The recent debacle of the town hall by Castor in Tampa and Carnahan in St Louis who did what Obama suggested and brought in SEUI to set up and provide pro health care vocal support and shut out the locals who were protesting and then starting pushing.
Obama’s comment that they would push back will start violence since union thugs are used to pushing and physical intimidation. The people attending this town hall are mostly middle age and elderly and they are angry, if they get attacked, their children and grandchildren will attend to defend them and this will get physical indeed.
This mistake of demonizing the people who are protesting and attending these town halls who just want their representatives to know that they are against this socialized health care plan that the elderly believe will lead to their inability to get health care to live. This is a life and death decision.
That mistake has the probability to spark a physical revolt and violence. Blacks are used to blacks rioting, they are not used to the white middle class and elderly rioting.
The anger is getting dangerous and if the Obama, Democrats and progressive loonies think they can just intimidate people by shouting racism and mobs they are mistaken. The intimidation will not work but will spark a push back. Physically. People will not put up with union thuggery to shut them up at these meetings. They will insist on local police to protect and arrest the thugs. They will have their adult children and grandchildren to protect them. These people are CCW holders for Gods sake and will fight if attacked.
There is a real risk that a spark will start a bloody revolution and the actual spark may be quite small. But all the factors and anger is there.
People have been sensing dangerous times for some time and arming up. They may not know why they needed to but they felt the need.
We don’t want a bloody revolt especially against the federal government, but the people will demand to be heard and the chants of “ Silent No More” and “You Work for Us” is the simple reality of our Constitutional system. People are fearful that Obama supports they tactics of Chavez and Zelaya of Honduras and though in the fall the voters would not believe that Obama may want to subvert out constitutional system they are not sure now. Especially with the DNC and Obama labeling the voters as enemies and mobs
Nixon once called the majority of white voters the Silent Majority. That Silent Majority propelled him into office due to fears of race riots and crime. This new Silent Majority has fears of being killed or refused medical care and the inability to buy health care so that they will die off and not be voters.
Obama foolish end of life riff played into those fears and people are outraged that care may be refused but instead government counselor will encourage death alternative to life alternative.
Obama stubborn anger against the voters is dangerous and will solidify the idea that Obama and his administration is against the voters and if Democrats representatives that are facing that anger get scared instead of engaged and barricade themselves this will just set off more anger as voters get convinced that their representatives are determined to ride rough shod over voters concerns.
Obama faults of arrogance and inability to understand the conservative point of view and his idea that he won so he can do anything is wrong headed and will lead to grief. His attitude seems to closely mirror the “Big man ruler” of Africa and that model cannot work in America, The spirit of resistance the idea that “We are the People” and our representatives work for us and not us for them is still here and getting strong this year.
There was even a post on Huffington Post that echoed the concern of Obama dictatorial attitude. So this anger by voters is spreading form conservatives to libertarians, to moderates, independents and to liberals. The progressives which are the loony left are starting to also feel concern and will diverge between those who are pro totalitarian and those who are more freedom loving.
This overreach by progressives, DNC and Obama may destroy the pro communists and progressives as agenda for many years.
I expect that 2010 may actually become a blowout and the GOP has a great chance to get 20-30 seats in the House and get more Senate seats.
More and more good candidates are thinking of running and the fact that GOP has been solid in resisting the DNC agenda has helped. The Blue Dogs democrats are in danger since many are in conservative leaning districts.
St Louis has been very active with large turnouts on Tea Parties and his recent stunt with SEIU and running away from his town hall will probably spell his doom in 2010.
Obama attempting to control the narrative that these are mobs and Nazis lovers and extremists is not working. If he does not tone it down and stop the ACORN and SEIU thug tactics he will provoke violence.
Obama will rue the day he released the dogs of war.
so Richard, should we be training some of our firepower on those who are hiding behind Obama then rather than just on Obama and his useful idiots like Pelosi? I don’t know who that list would include, but I suspect that Emanuel and Soros would be on it.
Cockroaches don’t like the light, so perhaps we should shine some on them.
This has potential for great danger. I worry that the thin veneer of civilization in our society in this age is all that keeps the dogs at bay. The incredible stupidity of Axelrod and Emanuel and these other cheap little political whores risks throwing a match in the tinder. Is this what they want, an opportunity to bring the iron fist? If so they are driving off a cliff. We’re not Venezuela or Iran. We are free men and don’t want to let go of that. God help us.
One of my favorite “sound bites” from Freud is the following:
“Every exaggeration carries within it the seeds of its own destruction.”
Faster please.
The Kulaks allowed the Bolsheviks to confiscate and murder. Oppression was the rule in Czarist Russia and the populace was intrenched in the notion of wait and see. I seriously doubt with the mind set of the American population and the unprecedented purchases of weapons and ammunition is only a show of defiance but a meaningful preparation for combat. Our homes are being confiscated (foreclosure) and we are being prepare for the slaughter (healthcare), we are the Kulaks.
A new definition of ‘bipartisanship’ -
We (Dems) write up the bills and you (Oppposition) vote yes.
should we be training some of our firepower on those who are hiding behind Obama?
From my own limited experience, I believe that rarely does fine grained justice play a part in resolving upheavals. In the end you may have to let individual malefactors go. What really counts after a crisis is restoring the rules, re-creating organizational cultures, re-establishing accountability. Think about Reconstruction. The world often changes beyond our power to prevent it, yet even in that process there will still be some choice over which changes to accept and what to fight to preserve. I think there’s not much benefit in thinking too much about the future; but there is a great deal of virtue in ennumerating what is worth keeping. Those who live through a crisis will never again take them for granted.
YouTube – DEMS SNEAK UNION THUGS INTO CARNAHAN TOWN HALL– Tea Party Taxpayers Locked Out!
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PJM is still acting strange. I have a “Click to Edit” link for Doug‘s last post. It then gives me “You do not have permission.” Clearly the database is still FUBAR. Can we get an explanation at some time explaining the nature and origin of the attack, if it was one, that caused all this?
Good idea:
God Bless America!
YouTube – Irate Tea Party Mob Breaks Out in Song at Carnahan Town Hall
Will Obama deliver a speech and say that the SEIU members “acted stupidly”?
Two more brief thoughts.
First, if the public becomes intimidated by the Obama “Chicago Rules” we are in for a long and bad time. If the public experiences revulsion at those “Chicago Rules” we have a chance to make things better.
Second, we must exercise great self-discipline. Nothing would help the other side more than for a few conservatives to do things that can be ridiculed or will look over the top.
Ordinary people are fed up.
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Wretchard said Think about Reconstruction. If you think for a minute that Reconstruction was about restoring good will and things as they were and all is forgiven you are sadly mistaken. That period following the war was about recrimination, getting even, theft of property and down right thuggery. Lee was very mindful of the currents flowing and prevented a long a bloody gorilla war that would have lasted a decade. The KKK that resulted was a backlash against the stubborn norther subjugation of the south and unfortunately the blacks got caught in the middle.
OK I know I’m going to get mauled, have at it I can take it.
Hot Air » Blog Archive » St. Louis town hall Protesters locked out while SEIU is admitted Update “These Members need cover”
Update: Amanda Carpenter e-mails to point me to Health Care for America Now’s playbook on how to counter conservative protesters at town halls. The money bit:
Another one of Ms. Jorge’s tips is to “Address the [member of Congress] directly with a positive message: Remember, these Members need cover and they are getting beaten up by right wing zealots in these meetings.”
HCAN Communications Director Jacki Schechner said protecting elected officials who support their favored reforms was necessary given the contentious nature of some town-hall meetings.
Ms. Schechner said conservatives are baiting lawmakers into holding town-hall meetings, “so [lawmakers] can get yelled at and they don’t want to feel unsafe and uncomfortable.”
Stacking the audience with friendly SEIU members in lieu of ObamaCare naysayers surely qualifies as providing “cover.” Fun fact: One of the organizations on HCAN’s steering committee is, you guessed it, SEIU.
Well, RAH, the thing is that these tactics have worked for Democrat urban machines (and in some case, such as CA, state-wide machines) and have worked for generations.
So this question is whether or not it will work on a national scale or not.
This is where the Left’s reliance on MSM and the education establishment comes into play. The outcome depends on the the nature and character of the American people. You are describing an traditional view of our people; it is one we should all like to believe still holds true. But does it really still obtain and in the numbers that make it meaningful? I contend that we just do not know the answer to this question. That is part of this great unease surrounding this crisis: We just do not know who we are anymore.
As to Wretchard’s point: If there is not a way to restore and people like RAH are right in their assessment of the nation then there will be direct confrontation with the federal government, and some sectors of the Federal government and the state governments will be forced to choose sides.
I think that you underestimate how far things have gone here in the USA, and what such a breach with the past that the Left have been working towards all these years really means in the USA going forward. It is not the Philippines–there is a completely different history, culture and tradition surrounding this mess. I fear that you are thinking wishfully here. There cannot be reconciliation, one side has to be defeated and repudiated and it will be an utter and final defeat for the side who suffers it. I respect your experience, but I too have experienced totalitarian systems in their various phases and in various cultures and places, and have been a active warrior, in my way, in real action against them. Few of these struggle are similar at all, particularly when it comes to practical matters. I will not say that you are projecting your experience here;rather I would implore you to examine in your heart if this indeed might be the case. This is a wholly different struggle than the one your country has faced in the last century.
The extremes are too great. There is no common ground, there is just a a weak headed and confused “middle” that must be moved one way or the other.
It may be too late to return already, as someone above said, but there is no new grand and accommodating synthesis that will rise out of this. That is just the point.
You admonisish us to “strengthen institutions”, but the major institutions have been perverted almost beyond repair. They are under occupation, as it were, by barbarians. The only way to “strengthen” them is too get the barbarians out and keep them out, and return them to their intended structures, roles and purposes. A tall order indeed. One does not “reform” a politburo–one discards it.
Achieving this will require purges, punishment and retribution in the end. This is not a crisis formed by a mere differences of opinions. This is a war on our very civilization. There can not be compromise. Indeed, we are here at this threshold because of all to much compromise in the first place. Compromise is the enemy’s weapon, not ours.
The left has no regard for the principles embodied in our institutions. They have a contempt for notion of objective truth itself. If the Western Civilization does not elude them altogether it fills them with seething hatred. It is not merely the opportunists which we must fear. They in fact may be the least of our worries.
They have embraced the darkest of evils. So while your advice may sound reasonable it is in a way beside the point. To “strengthen” the institutions as they are now is to further pervert them. The Left’s plans have factored this in, as always they have sp done. One need not need look any further than this hideous mediocrity that has now joined the SCOTUS. Nothing more clearing articulates how far gone our key public and private institutions are than this. For things to “reset” a radical purge and correction of the institutions that put her there will have to occur, and so to with the court itself. A decent and sane society cannot not tolerate this nonsense.
This is fundamentally a spiritual and moral crisis made manifest by a political crisis, it is certainly not a structural or procedural one. Event are in the saddle now and it may well be beyond human control.
Do we still love our civilization enough to save her? Do we yet have the hearts, bodies, minds and souls to save her? These are the key questions.
Political issues pale before these.
From: Margarida Jorge To: HCAN Field Partners
RE: HCAN—Responding to Right-Wing Attacks in the Field – August 4, 2009
which posted at Free Republic at about the same time that Wretchard put up this thread.
It delineates the secrets of our community activists in chief. It is Axelrod’s viewing of what to expect from the “newbies” — having been newbies themselves and having invented the kind of activism they are expecting from the Right.
Things included are the de rigeur script about who the common man who disagrees really is: a thug in the employ of ………..
For sure one can read it to appreciate the “PROJECTIONS R US” sort of flavor.
But more importantly, it informs us as to how they will “Punch Back Hard.”
Good post Mongoose. I never thought I’d see the day we’d face this sort of trouble in America or maybe I did, but didn’t want to consider it too much. These folks are stupid and evil, bad combo. Evil must be resisted (all it takes for evil to triumph….) and stupid when all else fails just kicks it into a higher gear.
Part of this is that Obama’s end game is becoming Chavez or Ahmadinejad (and explains his support for them and Zelaya). Obama (and his backers) want to rule forever. In a hereditary rule where Obama, then his wife, then his daughters, would be President forever, and the President would run everything, through extra-constitutional Czars. Who require no cabinet/Senate confirmation.
So Obama wishes to provoke a crisis, and humiliate and beat ordinary citizens, and perhaps create the situation where his backers kill a few as was seen in the shooting death of the girl in Iran, to create a crisis so he may assume the office of President for Life.
That is his wish, and Ayer’s dream, and Andy Stern’s, and pretty much most Dems.
Now, beating up old people, and middle aged business folk, is an easy task. The SEIU goons brought in to beat people up (and perhaps more) will find the police unable to do anything, politically commanded to sit on their hands, and ACORN and the New Black Panther Party will command the race card to prevent any prosecution (aided by Eric Holder and the Justice Dept.) of the men who use violence to shut up dissenters.
Wretchard is right that this will radicalize people — Obamacare is a death sentence for those who are elderly and indeed beyond 50. Which is the cut-off for medical care. Beyond that you are given assisted suicide. While Congress and their families as hereditary rulers have their own Cadillac plans. It’s a North Korean model.
No, children will NOT protect their grandparents or parents. Please. Let’s get realistic here. What we will find, likely, is the use of Freedom Riders aka the Vets on motorcycles to fight the SEIU thugs, ACORN goons, and New Black Panther gangstas. With as Wretchard says, a total radicalization.
However, the fall-out is that the current system will not hold. This includes the Constitution as it now exists, including the AA cruft, the various Supreme Court bolt-ons, and all sorts of elite “Living Constitution” decisions, laws, and so on that restrain populist impulses.
Obama does not know how to be President. He really is a Community Organizer and does not know when to quit, when to declare victory and move on, and when to leave opponents a small series of victories and not try to destroy their entire base or lives. He wishes to crush and destroy White Middle Class America, and therefore faces (because he won’t stop trying to destroy them, politically, socially, economically, and through euthanasia) a fight to the political death. Not only for himself, but for the forces of Elitism, that of Affirmative Action and non-White preferences/pandering (and the playing of the race card) and pretty much everything else.
Should Obama be defeated, the nation will not look the same. Defeat of Obama will not just mean defeat of Obamacare, but rather destruction of the entire Elite Class and their money base which created Obama in the first place. That means not just sweeping Pelosi and Reid from their seats, or impeaching Obama, but rather destruction of the Media, and confiscation of wealth from the elites in Hollywood, Silicon Valley, Finance, Law, and other “Gentry” (as Joel Kotkin put it) occupations by an angry Middle Class White populist base that understands that the Gentry intends to destroy them.
The White Middle Class faces an existential crisis. Obama and his Gentry backers are determined to eliminate them from existence in America. Therefore one must destroy the other by the very nature of the conflict. Either America is a “diverse, multicultural place with no racism or sexism” and a complex caste system with Elites, Black aristocrats (Gates, Obama, Farrakhan, Sharpton, Jackson), Hispanic Aristocrats (Sotomayor), Female Tribunes (Pelosi, Hillary), and the like and a permanent, despised, and constantly shrinking “White Peasant” class given at best fifth-class citizenship, or you get something along the lines of “the Return of Andrew Jackson.” Which means deliberate destruction of elites and their allies whenever and wherever they may be found.
The nature of this conflict is simple: the elites have too much money and thus too much control over society, and wish to wipe out the populists (elites always wish this) but sadly have the means with all that money.
The key to this will as always, be the political attitude of women. Women have done well allied to the elites, not the least of which is Affirmative Action benefits AND catering to the princess fantasy of marrying into the Elite Gentry (the basis of most chic flicks). HOWEVER, ObamaCare threatens this with rationing, and no fantasy or Affirmative Action preference can negate the ugly prospect of dying of breast cancer due to 2 year waits for screening and surgery.
DonB71inWA, #20: Confrontation is coming. To use a poker metaphor, the Left has pushed all-in hoping their opponents will fold. We must call. But we must call as Martin Luther King Jr., not John Brown.
An apt analogy, but a troubling one nonetheless. In poker, even bad players can win by just getting lucky, and Barack Obama’s entire political career has been one lucky break after another (mostly opponents being ruined by scandals), culminating in the biggest break of all last September, when the bottom fell out of the financial system just as McCain-Palin had seized the momentum in the campaign.
Wretchard, #21: It’s straightforward. Every astute player figures out the angles. In Obama’s case his Presidency may either be a success or a failure, and his backers, if they had any sense at all, must have realized that there was pretty good chance it would be a failure, especially knowing their man. The characteristic of opportunists is that they’ll tag along with you, but only as far as it suits their purposes. At the right time they’ll switch horses. This is how gold diggers and fair weather friends operate. Laugh and world laughs with you; cry and you cry alone.
It has occurred to me that Obama may be on a collision course not just with (nominal) conservatives, but with a good-sized chunk of his own party who aren’t keen on going down with the Obamatanic. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to eventually start hearing rumblings from the Dems that Obama should not run – or at least, not run unopposed for the Dem nomination – for re-election in 2012. Hillary Clinton could end up getting one more bite at the apple after all.
The KKK that resulted was a backlash against the stubborn norther subjugation of the south and unfortunately the blacks got caught in the middle. OK I know I’m going to get mauled, have at it I can take it.
Good giggly wiggly, I’ve got a painting of Marse Robert on my library wall and a Stars and Bars battle flag quilt my granny sewed, but now is not the time to be worrying over the correct use of the word “Reconstruction.” Focus, boy.
Nullification: No you are more or less right– I doubt you will be mauled.
“Reconstruction” is best used to just denote a period in time; it certainly does not denote a particular “project” or outcome. Wretarch, I am surprised that you use this as an example. i fear that you may be accepting some (northern) academic pieties of this period here. Reconstruction bears all to many similarities to the “solution” of post Versailles Germany and the Weimer Republic, the post WW2 destruction of German culture in the Russian zone, or the the marauding hordes of Lenin or Mao sweeping across Russia or China during those revolutions. In fact, our current crop of of northern (and coastal) carpet bagger wish to repeat that disaster on a national scale.
So I find it odd that you would propose it as a solution. It more describes our pending condition.
But Nullification, I would suggest that the Blacks were not “caught in the middle”. They were active participants.
Let me add that Obama picking this fight is puzzling.
He could have covered the uninsured, got an easy victory, and moved on to Cap and Trade which offers HUGE patronage opportunities for middle-men and his allies. Potentially, billions and trillions for connected insiders.
WHY pick this fight? Yes he creates a bureaucracy that gives more control to his allies, provides patronage employment for bureaucrats, but he faces an existential fight, one that even if he wins will cause serious political losses, and create a bitter, angry, and determined opposition.
For what gain? Why indeed do Obama’s allies see this as a critical fight?
This is the most puzzling thing. It’s as if the elites deliberately wished to rub the noses of ordinary people in the dirt: “We have a gold-plated medical care system, you get the Soviet one.”
That’s a fight with no upside. It’s only a series of downsides. The fight itself is costing Cap and Trade (good luck getting that one through if ObamaCare passes, or fails for that matter). Which has real bucks at stake for Obama’s pals.
Graft, greed, corruption, incompetence, and sheer brazen-ness I can understand. But picking this fight itself seems to me to be an indicator that Obama AND HIS ALLIES believe truly, that he is a living God.
Okay people, this seems to be some forward momentum, at last! Now is not the time to sit back on your heels, or to wait and see.
We cannot afford to let the sonorous droning of American Idol or the various other “reality” shows lull America back to sleep.
If today this strife all went away, there was a complete cessation by the left to push health care, would you in fact consider that a victory? The gains they have made in this first 200 days is a huge win for the leftists. What if their strategy is to simply take it to the edge, peer over into the Abyss, then raise their hands and back away slowly? Will you be tricked into thinking you’ve won then?
If allowed to survive they’ll simply build strength, review their lessons learned and be back again. If they’re really, really smart (and patient) it will be your children whom they’ll roll over.
They have demonstrated 60 years of patience. It’s time to weed the garden people.
whiskey. With you up until the last paragraph. This will be decided by men, not women.
This is war.
Women do not have near the power that you attribute to them. Those “women tributes” you are talking about are really props for people like Soros or Rahm. If they had such power, Clinton would be in the WH, not Obama.
Too much do you discount the superficiality and the gullibility of some of our female citizens. They are easily manipulated and have neither a common “gender brief” or the sort of calculated political cunning you attribute to w them. Not as a whole class of people at least.
Obama’s falling number reflect this.
“But picking this fight itself seems to me to be an indicator that Obama AND HIS ALLIES believe truly, that he is a living God.”
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Why not?
He/they have had a free ride up to here.
The new, unexpected addition, I think, has been the common folk reading the bills – w/o that,
this all might have passed as has everything else in this charmed shaman’s life.
It strikes me that it was a mistake to schedule the townhall meetings in the first place. Did the schedulers believe Obama’s strictly choreographed meetings were spontaneous, and that the healthcare townhalls would follow the same trajectory? All they have done with the townhall meetings is give the opposition a venue from which to fight. The dems would have been much better off to confine the grumbling to the water cooler. Hmmmm….. I think the addition of the the thugs is proof that they don’t yet have total control over the electoral process. If they had total control of election results the thugs would not be necessary. It will also be interesting to see if any justice will be meted out to thugs that rough up the protestors or if the charges will be dropped as with the New Black Panthers in Philly? It will be interesting to watch.
Whiskey 50, good thought provoking post.
Richard, thanks for the response and I need to get my head around the Reconstruction analogy. Since that followed a Civil War while we seem to be in the early stages of some form of conflict, the juxtaposition of order has me scratching my head.
I need to do some research on how the US economy evolved in the years post the Civil War to search for any potential analogs.
Obama and, more importantly, the people behind him, have embraced evil to such a point that this has unhinged them. Their hatred for all that is good, true an beautiful has left them quite insane. Just go look at th face of Soros or Rahm. This is the puzzle of these people: They are immoral and insane at the same time.
Obama in his narcissism just cannot bear this opposition. It stand against the very nature of the the false self he has created for himself to hide in.
Obama is quite out of his mind, not to mention quite out of his league.
When you have a POTUS react as he has to events in IRan or Honduras you know that you have passed from the company of the sane, the good and the decent.
Let us hope that the mask falls off completely and soon.
Aha….
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/tea-party-protesters-attacked-1-man.html
A POTUS calls out the unions and there is real violence the next day in St. Louis and Tampa.
If it were a GOP President there would be impeachment proceedings underway immediately.
I doubt that the media will cover it much…best to forward this stuff to moderates that you all know.
#20 DonB71inWA
I respectfully submit that we have moved outside the boundaries of our historical experiences as Americans. Neither Martin Luther King nor John Brown will serve. The tactics of a Martin Luther King require an opponent with a moral sense to survive. That is not evident here, other than ‘revolutionary morality’ of the type that Lenin or Beria would recognize. John Brown was a fanatic whose lack of reality testing and appreciation for the nature of what he was attempting made his end a futile gesture that only made things worse.
What we face even is outside the experience of the Founding Fathers; and while there were exceptions like Banatre Tarleton, the Brits did not engage in widespread war on the civilian population.
I offer [with no real vehemence, but as a thought] Gāozǔ, the founder of the Han Dynasty that replaced the tyrannical Chin [whose attitudes towards people were not that far from modern Marxist doctrine]. He was one of only a few Chinese emperors who came from the lower classes, instead of the aristocracy. I think perhaps we have had enough aristocracy.
I commend the fate of Qin Er Shi, the second and last emperor of Chin to your happy contemplation.
Subotai Bahadur.
There is doubt in Barad-dur. Sauron gazed into the palantir and saw something he did not expect.
Attend your local TEA Party protests, Congressional Town Hall meetings and the like. Bring your voice, but more importantly, bring your video camera. Cockroaches can’t stand the light.
“‘Revolution’ is a game that opportunists play …”
As well, it’s a leisure pursuit.
Can the public be bribed? Can the public be intimidated?
If the left gives out dimes, like Rockefeller did decades ago, will that assuage people? If they are hungry will they sell their birthright for a bowl of red soup like Esau?
If the public risks investigation by the IRS or denial of medical benefits or an angry SEIU goon beating them up, as an American version of SAVAK, will they cave?
Hotheads on the left will be airbrushed by the MSM; hotheads on the right will be put in an unflattering spotlight. Just the other day a congressman said that the health care protesters are of a piece with Timothy McVey and Speaker Pelosi equated them with swastika brandishing.
Bribery, intimidation, and MSM ostracizing of conservatives are their tools. What are ours?
“He is… strangely obsessed with conceding nothing; in retaining and extending all the ground he has taken; in standing fast. There must be no retreat.”
Stalingrad. We all know how that turned out.
I have long argued here, and elsewhere, that one of America’s successes has been in having ways to replace elites without having to kill them. The Civil War was partially an exception as the Southern Aristocracy committed suicide.
Other societies have thrown them out windows (defenestration – great word!), chopped their heads off, starved them to death in camps, etc, etc. We just vote ‘em out of office or take our business elsewhere.
This bunch in office looks like they don’t want to play by the rules of US Constitution of no rough stuff and you get to leave office with your head. If the rules don’t apply to the citizens, they need not apply to the officeholders.
But the pressure is on to replace our elites. Part of that is from outside the country since subversion is the cheapest win and part is due to their own weakness via unrealistic “political correctness.”
Since the thuggery is local (so far), will the local and state police forces become politized? Has anyone had discussions with police leaders and ranks? Aren’t they unionized too?
Whiskey
A slightly different take on women. Several months ago I attended a social/political event in the Midwest. The majority (but not all) of the attendees leaned conservative. One couldn’t help but notice that the most outspoken people among the conservatives were the women! Many women of this type are currently on display at the Town Hall meetings. Don’t sell them short. Also keep in mind, they are the mothers of our Soldiers and Marines.
Obammy is a punk, and he and his punk friends are scared.
Here in the liberal bastion that is Northern California, Rep ‘Baghdad’ Mike Thompson (D) held a tightly controlled teleconference instead of a public gathering. They know damn good and well that people are fired up and don’t want this shoved down our throats, but they will do what they know is ‘in our best interests’ regardless.
#64 Whitehall
Purely anecdotal, but I know local cops who are already prepared to take off their badges immediately if they get orders to violate the Constitution. Both out of a remembrance of the Oath, and a desire not to have their families be without a father because being shot by their neighbors if they try to violate the Constitution.
Subotai Bahadur
My congressman, Democrat Mike Honda here in Silicon Valley, also isn’t scheduling any face-to-face meetings with constitutents. Instead, he will have a “telephone town hall” where anyone can listen but only the chosen can dialogue. Talk about controlling the message.
But restoring democracy, or getting it to function is much harder task. It’s like surgery. You want the patient to live, because you are the patient, whether you realize it or not.
We are called domestic terrorists, thugs, misbehaving creeps of the right, and please add to the list. The true domestic terrorists are the ones now in power in D.C. and they have and will continue to underestimate the resistance of us conservatives and patriots. What we still have is worth fighting for, by whatever means that must be used. The best way is to do this through the system that we have in place, the Constitution and our freedom. But there come a time and place where other actions may be called for. So be it, and Honduras proves that.
This administration of corrupt and racist polecats has badly under estimated the will and resolve of the American people. They will puch back at us, and they will fight dirty and continue to circumvent the Constitution every chance they get. Thr true colors of Obama and his ilk are now out there for everyone to see. As the author mentioned, there are at least 10 more rounds, maybe 15,like the fights of the past.
I do not think the the leftist socialistacrats will be the last ones standing.
The local police may help the politicians and their thugs if circumstances require their protection from the crowds.
However the St Louis incident the police arrested 2 men with SEIU shirts and woman who was an Carnahan staffer who instigated the fight.
Now if large scale protests break out with thousands of middle age and elderly white folk walking down the street and the National Guard is called ro restore order I really doubt that the National Guard would act. They are more likely try to defue and issue and refuse any order to fire.
Police are more local and they have an authority complex and more likely to harrass old and young alike. But police respond to the local town council amd mayors who respond to their white middle age tax payers and voters.
So local police are more likely to side with local protesters rather than busedin ousiders who are union thugs.
“”"”What we face even is outside the experience of the Founding Fathers; and while there were exceptions like Banatre Tarleton, the Brits did not engage in widespread war on the civilian population. “”"”"
Well, not quite, Subotai — although your points in your posts are excellent ones.
The British made widespread use of American Indian tribes to terrorize American colonists on the frontiers. This affront was addressed in the Declaration of Independence, which shows that the British employed this tactic early on. Keep in mind, also, that the Revolution was also a civil war, especially in the southern states, but even in New York, where there was a lot of Loyalist simpathy.
Reconstruction was the continuation of the War of Northern Aggression by political means.
It established the tone for North/South and Race relations from then on.
It can be seen as the first step towards Empire.
They’ll slash tires! They’ll go into parking lots and do “quiet mischief,” so that after you’ve parked, you’ll discover what the left really does. When they don’t think anyone around has a camera.
What can happen? Cops. Just not in uniform. Who begin to see where the left can send their minions. This isn’t a union strike. Where they go in with employees who are ham fisted.
You can’t quite knock down someone using a walker. You can’t quite say they’re un-American because they’re dressed well.
And, you can’t lock them out of meetings. So there will be fewer meetings. While the rage “against the machine” really lingers.
Of course, in Barry’s dreams he’s gonna be able to call out the troops. MARTIAL LAW. These trained folk are gonna strike their own families? Tell me.
Just because you write ads, do you know what happens if your product is not on the shelves? And, about good ads. How many people, reading this, here, know that “DON’T MESS WITH TEXAS” was written because litter was such a problem. And, reaching most Texans to stop tossing litter as they drove … got to the heart of the problem with the message. That has stuck on long after littering the highways was even a problem in Texas.
You’d be surprised what ad campaigns can do. And, then, when they fail to do more than get people upset, how you can forget what’s even being advertised.
Obama wanted to accomplish this with Sgt. Crowley. Failed. But didn’t change his mind. He had a “suds” summit. That failed, too. I guess we’ll see conga-lines of busloads of apologetic politicians, going around with Obama, looking for mojo?
It might be a good thing for people to look up information about the chain of command and how it affects the unfolding of events locally.
For instance, even before Katrina had fully cleared NOLA, the dunderheads on the left were screeching that President Chimpie had dropped the ball because he didn’t have the National Guard already in place pulling brave survivor/victims out of the floods.
When anyone replied “Posse Comitatus” Leftists thought they were being assaulted with some secret Capitalist, Racist, Ku Klux Klan curse upon them.
O is going to have to tread a very fine line. If the intimidation by the purchased union thugs and Acorners is not carefully managed, it will quickly be shown whether local enforcers can keep the lid on things.
The problem, as has well been pointed out, is that Our President has from day one been bulling his way past constitutional and statutory restrictions and precedents. He’s getting his way by intimidation. He’s dismissed independent Inspectors-General in clear violation of legislated procedure. He’s insisted on the resignation of the head of General Motors and replacement suitably compliant tool. He’s elevated to positions of great power various cronies who had already violated the same regulations they are now authorized to enforce and interpret, et cetera.
This raises a big question: Without violating the laws that restrict the Federal Government from using the military domestically for law enforcement (i.e., “Posse Comitatus”) he can’t just use the national guard or place local law enforcement personnel under his direct command. He would either have to declare Martial Law, or wait for an official request from the Governor of the state in question.
For just a local dustup, he has to depend upon the local political structure. Consider the layers and layers of bureaucrat heroes between the White House and any municipal police or sheriffs – the tens of thousands of ineradicable Democratic Party appointees at all levels – Federal, state, regional, county, municipal, etc. They could teach things to cockroaches and tropical skin diseases.
At each level, the quaking bastards will be wondering “If I stick my neck out for O, or for Pelosi, or Reid, Or Dodd, Or Durban, or (brrrr) Kennedy, or (shiver) Byrd… I mean, If I violate the Constitution and arrest people protesting AGAINST Obama’s plan, and releasing and nol prossing the union goons beating them up, Who among them going to back me up?????”
That crew has not shown remarkable courage or commitment along the way to underlings and staffers.
I mind a certain young volunteer name of Kopechne…
Even if the mid-and-lower-level functionaries all knuckle under, there’s just a lot of play in the linkages, and the complete structure is populated BY DESIGN with self-serving gutless miscreants, whose first order of business (after a good morning whack at the exchequer) is a CYA maneuver. It’s the bureaucratic equivalent of the Russian Sub-driver’s “Crazy Ivan” 360 degree turn meant to reveal or shake off a closing rival.
It’s one thing to ram opaquely-worded legislation through passage, when you have a supermajority of legislators willing to parley their votes into sweet retirement villas and accounts in the Caymans.
It will be a lot trickier once some hot-head sucker-punches a pensioner, or vice-versa. The Leftards are spoiling for an opportunity to provoke a fight. Because they’ve been able to intimidate law-abiding citizens before, they think they’ve taken the measure of the opposition.
Yes, it’s a fine line that nees to be tread, but fearless leader is drunk on power and couldn’t pass a field sobriety test.
The usual union crowds will no appear in this case because the unions have no dog in this fight. They have already been promised to be left alone so either way they get to keep what they have. On a personal level union members will have no reason to show up so they won’t.
Jeff Carlson
http://www.harlemghost.blogspot.com
I was wondering when the violence would start. I don’t see Big O backing down; I don’t recall ever seeing him back down on anything, ever. Even in that Gates-gate thing, where he was caught looking like a fool, he just co-opted and neutered his opposition with a bit of apparent conciliation that was really just a “look-how-presideintial-I-am-and-look-how-insignificant-you-are” moment. With a lot of admiring media publicity accompaniment, of course. Wretchard is right, though, in saying that the trick will be not only to pull off the emasculation of the liberals, but to do it without violence and destruction. Right now, the anger may be hot, but us right-wing nut jobs still don’t have the firepower (parliamentary, not physical) to pull it off. We are going to need a bunch of help from Democrats, like it or not, starting with the Congressional Blue Dogs, if they really exist. If it comes to open warfare, God help us all. What is uglier than a Civil War? Think Spain, 1936, here. None of us will win in that extremity. I know what side I’ll support, but I’m too old for such crap.
MumbaiGal,
The feds do have a power play on local officials – stimulus money.
Scenario:
The mayor wants a new stadium and needs a check from the feds. The locals start an argument with the local Democrat congressman and the police are called out. A few whispers down the chain about that check being NOT in the mail and the local police chief gets the word about who the enemies of the state really are.
Throw in a few new squad cars and a special command vehicle for the chief bought with that stimulus check and guess who gets arrested.
Watch for Obama’s people to start talking in public about re-thinking various stimulus grants. They might even make a show trial to get the word out. Watch St. Louis and Tampa for announcements.
I see a two trends. The big city police are heavily unionized and the political power structure solidly Democratic. Small town and rural county police forces don’t crave the Fed bucks and have better political principles (not to knock urban cops!).
I guess we shall all see in the coming days whether The Gov. works for the people or the people are working for the Gov.
Seeing the last eight years of Liberal protest I see the conservative protestors are well dressed and appear quite sober and sane.
For Now.
I realize correlation is not causation, but it is interesting that on the same day, yesterday, that the White House publicized this “Punch back twice as hard” approach, the violence started. And so it begins. I’m attending a town hall meeting tomorrow with my congressional representative. I believe I shall pack a camcorder.
With all due respect to whiskey: If I were to escort my mother to a town hall and some thug were to take a swing at her, I wouldn’t be on the thug’s side.
Both of my sisters are leftists of the subspecies academic. They wouldn’t be on the thug’s side, either. There are places where family still means something, even to leftists.
Big Brave Obama, the bringer of Peace!
Big Brave Obama, who stomps down the little old ladies!
Big Brave Obama, who upholds justice against those “typical white persons” like grandma!
Big Brave Obama, who sends out his upholders of peace to rough up the seniors!
All Hail to Lord Joker, the bringer of peace and justice to Gotham!
wretchard wrote: “at a time when government is out of money, facing declining tax revenues”
here’s some scary stuff to complement those thoughts:
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1304-BLATANT-Monetization-Uncovered.html
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I can see in no way shape of form how our cause is advanced either tactically or strategically or morally by disparaging the sacrifice that the Republican Party lead against the slave holding elites of the Democratic Party in preserving the Union.
As more Americans delve into the disturbing details of the nationalized health care plan that the current administration is rushing through Congress, our collective jaw is dropping, and we’re saying not just no, but hell no!
The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.
Health care by definition involves life and death decisions. Human rights and human dignity must be at the center of any health care discussion.
Rep. Michele Bachmann highlighted the Orwellian thinking of the president’s health care advisor, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of the White House chief of staff, in a floor speech to the House of Representatives. I commend her for being a voice for the most precious members of our society, our children and our seniors.
We must step up and engage in this most crucial debate. Nationalizing our health care system is a point of no return for government interference in the lives of its citizens. If we go down this path, there will be no turning back. Ronald Reagan once wrote, “Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth.” Let’s stop and think and make our voices heard before it’s too late.
- Sarah Palin
@ 59 “There is doubt in Barad-dur. Sauron gazed into the palantir and saw something he did not expect.”
I thought the same exact thing. I think that was Wretchard’s motivation, conscious or unconscious.
Is there anything JRR Tolkien didn’t peg exactly right, lo those many decades ago?
Governor Palin has spoken about the health care on Facebook. This is the person that the left had slammed and smeared just as they are doing to voters now. Seem that she has decided to put a spoke in Obama’s agenda on health care and she hits hard.
http://www.conservatives4palin.com/search?q=
I didn’t know you were quoting Palin, Tarnsman, and was going to congratulate you for the moving prose.
A measure of the evil of the Left/MSM is their willingness and eagerness to demonize and dehumanize the most human figure in our political theater.
“So I figure that the really smart boys in Obama’s camp have calculated that he’ll crash and burn and have laid away plans accordingly.”
The birther thing……….is it really something the Dems themselves will use against Obama if he becomes so loathed that his negatives threaten them all?
Is it THEIR ace in the hole?
Doug,(and anyone else), if you haven’t seen Bill Whittle’s piece about Governor Palin I recommend it.
http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/2009/07/27/the-destruction-of-sarah-palin/
For me the money quote in the piece is: “There’s a reason the word Satan means “the Accuser” in Hebrew, and why “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor” is one of the Ten Commandments. A false accusation against an innocent person is often more effective than a real accusation is against a guilty one.”
buckets,
Is there anything JRR Tolkien didn’t peg exactly right, lo those many decades ago?
It never seemed to occur to kindly old Professor T to explore either whiskey‘s culturally masochistic women or the human drive for technical innovation. His societies were remarkably static both physically and culturally. That was understandable for his creatures that are essentially immortal but seems to leave out a big part of what motivates human activity. The only one who is described as devising inventions is Saruman the evil fallen Maier.
Thanks, Tarnsman, I will.
Whittle was on Dennis Miller yesterday, glad Dennis has discovered him.
Dennis also just discovered Sowell’s
“VISION OF THE ANNOINTED”
Hope I can find mine.
It has much to say about everything BHO and the left are displaying about themselves more promiscuously than ever.
obama, meet stalingrad, stalingrad, meet obama. enjoy.
how long before obama’s overt racism splits the union movement?
Somebody (might have been Whittle) mentioned Stalingrad and Midway yesterday:
Had some great choice of words for the turning of the worm.
—
Mickey Mouse – The Worm Turns
Obama now is saddled with the choice to escalate the situation or not. Seemingly, the decision has been taken to risk it and do so, with the clarion call to the usual suspects (ACORN SEIU, etc). So he will own what happens– he will have been the “leader” that precipitated any potential flare-ups. He could and should responsibly ask everyone to step back and play a “uniter” role. This would be the smart move. He hasn’t made it which makes me (and others) increasingly suspect he’s not mature enough to understand the office he holds– a big, big worry. That plus the “teachable moment”, “fishy comments”, etc starts to add up to some genuine concerns on the part of a lot of moderates and dems.
I think most people are beyond caring what the media reports, one way or the other. They are now focusing on what they see and hear from their own trusted sources (like Belmont Club). Fox wins hugely in this environment. The youtube clips are the samizdata the msm are trying to suppress/spin/ignore– and they grow less relevant the harder they try– the price they must pay for dropping even the last figleaf of objectivity…
If the congressional dems isolate themselves from this debate, they’ll pay a hard price. even those in safe districts will find opportunistically emboldened opponents ready to “listen to the people”. that alone will focus the center purple state dems. if obama doesn’t climb down, he risks big losses in congress. he is marginalized all of 1 year into his administration.
so, my take: something happens– someone gets hurt. obama has to carry it and gracelessly signals a step back. the msm tries to offer air cover but it proves unconvincing. the dems are tarred with it, resent it and start to run agst him on both the left and center. and the whole damn thing is a hubristically self inflicted wound.
i think this overreach just shows everyone how unprepared this group is and has always been. they have reverted to form as tax & spenders too, too quickly and they don’t have the GI Gen, Silent Gen or even early Boomer creds previous POTUSes had. This is what happens when the student council president gets elected president. Ot the Editor of the Harvard Law Review. No life experience or connection to the hard knocks commercial real world.
Finally, I think the left/WH allies are paper tigers in this scenario. As much as I respect the opinions offerred here, I think all the talk of revolution/etc is a bit overwrought, silly and counter-productive. They win only if the adults don’t care enough to bother paying attention to their antics. They lost that bet months ago. I like this blog because it tends to realistically gameplay/model well– let’s have more of that please! And less of the apocalyptic guns and civil war stuff please…
Just about to go peek at Gates of Wien, which I hadn’t visited for while, and the thought occurred to me…
Just a few months ago my biggest looming worry was that Jihadists were plotting and scheming to figure out how to trigger a flash of divine vengeance in downtown Manhattan, or San Pedro harbor, Saint Augustine, Mobile, Boston, Baltimore, Norfolk, or some such juicy target.
Thanks for taking our minds off the really trivial stuff, Mr. O!
To save the Republic, it is time to use the legal means afforded us in the Constitution to fight back. For too long Republicans like Mc Cain, Graham, Voinivich, Collins, Snowe, Lugar, Alexander, Martinez, and yes even W, capitulated to the criminality of the left, and were afraid to use the legal means to prosecute and confront the evil among us.
Obama has run roughshod over the Constitution, our traditions and our customs. It’s time to remind those uneducated among us what our Constitution means. Loudly and often. I live in a place thought to be over run by the left, but I commonly find that only the true sickos hate our freedoms. Deep down, most people, even those caught up in the frenzied fashions of the progressive left, still treasure freedom and liberty. Most of the left, particularly impressionable young women, are only followers because it is cool and popular. Most on the left are naive and ignorant of what the real Left has in store for us.
Buraq’s big mistake is that his gross overreach may quickly expose the hideous stench of the true psycho left. This dangerous period is just beginning, and he and his minions are already coming unglued. There will be real horrors and atrocities by these thugs before they’re through, and these horrors will not go un-noticed by the public no matter how hard the media tries to cover them up.
Stay cool. Don’t resort to violence, no matter how angry you get. Violence is not yet necessary, but the courage to confront Buraq and his Obamanazis is. The will of the people deep down is on our side, and we still have the constitutional powers to counter the takeover.
#52 Mongoose:
I agree about women — and I am one of them. Women do not have the power of men.
But the mere fact it had to dig deep and mobilize its grassroots and publicists means that their intelligence is imperfect.
Of course it is. They rely on the MSM and the MSM has been ignoring the Tea Party Movement.
I’m reading a book about Guadalcanal. One of the big mistakes the Japanese made was to decide that it was not important. And any way the Americans were not expected to be able to mount an offensive until 1943. And objectively the Japanese were right. And yet for a people imbued with the power of will they discounted the will of the Americans.
I think the Obama folks made the same mistake. They discounted the opposition and its will.
Here is the book. It is very good.
Guadalcanal: The Definitive Account of the Landmark Battle
Unsk,
Well put. People are reachable often we do not preempt the conversation into a confrontation. That does not mean conceding anything important. Remember the Left has grown up within the blanket of security and prosperity provided by traditional America. Many, probably most of them, cherish the role of gadfly but do not want to see the horse, or the cash cow, destroyed.
Yesterday I was talking to a woman, aged between middle age and elderly. Her door was well festooned with stickers from GreenPeace and the Natural Resources Defense Council and World Wildlife Fund etc When the conversation touched on 9-11 I got the automatic reaction “That was the government.” The fact was though that this committed left winger was very distrustful of crooks and charlatans and thugs, from any or either end of politics. They wanted competent honest government that would not threaten their rights. They wanted America productive and successful. Are there a host of issues in which they have been trained to react in a way we might find illogical? Certainly but that does not mean that we can not appeal to such people with clear honest communication that does not pander. If we keep explaining the corruption behind the housing meltdown and the links to the Democratic Party then we can win.
m/98; what so stuns about Guadalcanal is that beyond the fantastic story of the ground fighting there’s the scope and ferocity of the months-long sea battle offshore. USN shoulda –and coulda –quit any one of a half dozen times –but didn’t. One could say, Ghormley-out for Halsey-in was in some respects where the peacetime USN decided to win the war.
Mongoose @ 56:
Not quite but close. Having known evil in my life, I can tell you that the extreme immorality and depravity in the soul eventually drives them mad. I said elsewhere, look at their eyes when they do not know someone is watching.
Also from your post at 52:
Yes, they do. When the men are not coming home in one piece or are having troubles because they are doing the wrong things like not supporting their families, the women put the hammer down. Read Peters on this. The women decide when the conflict is over. Trust it.
Aaron @ 80: In reference to the “Monetization Uncovered” link/article – Is this part of the confluence of the perfect storm? Or is it part of The 0bamanation’s plan for collapse?
Tarnsman @ 83:
But this is the logical final stage of the system that started with ‘the woman’s right to privacy’ argument and culminated in the Roe vs. Wade abortion ruling. The proponent of the original argument, M. Sanger Harris, was a supporter of eugenics. The eugenicists made just these arguments – that humankind was perfectable by means of social tinkering. The last appearance of this belief system did not turn out so well. 50 to 70 million dead.
The lesson of the movie “Serenity” was the Browncoats had fought against the Alliance. That Alliance had done things at the planet Miranda that sound strangely like things eugenicists would do – try and perfect the human.
From the IMDB
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RAH @ 27:
Mmmmm, close but maybe not quite. All the folks I know have been arming up just because we sensed that this could happen and do not want to get caught flatfooted. We knew exactly who and what The 0bamanation was and what he was capable of doing. There is legislation moving through Congress right now that has nothing less than the goal of subverting the 2nd Amendment. H.R.45 – Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009
If the response of the current administration of The 0bamanation to the townhalls is to rough up and get violent with citizens upholding thier right to free speech the reaction cna and will be very unpredictable. Whiskey, Mongoos and others have made great points and I cannot really say much else.
LOTM, I wish it were so.
Flannery O’Connor’s quote above, provided by Salt Lick, gets to the heart of the divide. Liberals have a worldview that is fundamentally different than the conservative one, and the difference to my mind revolves around human nature.
Conservatives believe human nature is dualistic, both good and bad. Michael Shaara’s “Killer Angels” is an apt description. The badness is baked-in, it will come out in some manner, though we endeavor to keep it under control. Conservative solutions (like the Constitution, and the free market) allow for the fact that people are going to be bad, and bend our baser instincts around to end up being at least neutral, if not net good. Power is divided in the Constitution, and power opposes power. The free market allows others to benefit from your wealth, what others would call greed. If you cheat, or lie, the free market will punish you if there are feedbacks to allow your behavior to be known and factored into the workings of the market.
Liberals believe human nature is not only good, but perfectable. Because people are fundamentally good, societal constructs are the source of most of the evil in the world. Greed is not part of human nature, but capitalism breeds greed in the human heart. This is evident in their approach to crime (caused by poverty, and insufficient midnight basketball opportunities, as well as inanimate objects like firearms). Thus, when they want to make the world, and people, better they go after societal constructs. This unnerves conservatives, who see societal constructs as the only thing holding back or at least keeping in check the baser parts of human nature. It makes about as much sense as disassembling the Hoover Dam with the intent to use the concrete to build housing for the people downstream.
The truly evil in the liberal mindset are people who are self-aware and appear to choose to do what is evil in the liberal worldview, people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Sarah Palin and others. I get the feeling that hardcore progressives see themselves like the Neo character from “The Matrix”, really awake when the rest of us are just Energizer batteries powering their reality. Somebody like Sarah Palin — well, she’s awake (she’s famous, and people listen to her), but she doesn’t choose to be a liberal. Since this kind of evil can only be chosen, it’s even worse than the more minor constructed evil that is represented by SUV drivers, bond traders and people who don’t recycle. I think this explains the depth of their righteous indignation.
You can hope, LOTM, and I wish you well in your endeavors, but argumentation will only get you so far. You will not change their mind until they are willing to question their fundamental model of the social and political landscape. Until then, you and they may agree on the same set of facts, but will never agree on what those facts represent, or the course of action they imply.
I’ll be worried about armed revolt when NRA memberships in highly-liberal zip codes dramatically increase, and when there are as many Obama stickers as McCain/Palin ones at the gun range.
Wretchard,
Not only did the Spartans lose a ground battle to the Athenians and their allies in the Peloponnesian War, but Athenian capitulation came about finally because the Spartans and their allied navies decisively defeated the Athenian navy. Not the expected outcome 30 years earlier, when the war began.
Whiskey,
Why did Obama pick this fight? He didn’t. The House leadership picked it for him. His lack of executive experience is showing in this, Bush had a slightly less complaint Senate in 2001 (by this time, Jeffords had already bailed and returned control to the Dems) and still got more of his agenda through. The House is writing his bills and he is not being very publicly demanding of specifics from them. As President, he is showing the deferential posture and minimal comment regarding legislative matters that one would expect from a junior Senator still a year away from finishing his first term. Changing the desk does not significantly change the man behind it, he’s still on the same arc he was on in his last government job in this regard.
He only seems to get animated when he can do something more like his last full-time job, i.e., campaigning. That is what he’s best at. He seems to have turned his political capital over to the investment firm of Pelosi, Reid, Dodd & Frank.
I wonder how he’s enjoying his returns.
“Stay cool. Don’t resort to violence, no matter how angry you get.”
One wonders how many of the Tea Party participants are legal gun owners and carriers.
One further wonders why someone peacefully walking with a group of fellow Americans should allow themselves to be pummeled to the ground by four “union organizers” without lawfully fighting back and protecting themselves.
One finally wonders that if that ultimately happens, would the Enabler-in-Chief then call out the militia with orders to re-enact Kent State, since the Chicago Way demands one-upping to the next level of force.
And if that would be enough to ultimately impeach his skanky ass, or if we’ll have to depend upon missing birth certificate urban legends to run him out of town.
#104 NahnCee
And if that would be enough to ultimately impeach his skanky ass, or if we’ll have to depend upon missing birth certificate urban legends to run him out of town.
I am afraid that if things reach that stage we will be irrevocably far beyond consideration of either parliamentary maneuvering or debates over Constitutional qualifications for office. We are possibly on the cusp of one of those points that will be listed in the history books, albeit I don’t know which side will be writing the books. As my ethnic fellows say, “interesting times”. If we are exceedingly fortunate [and one should not depend on good fortune, for she is a very fickle .... lady] we will end up with a reprise of Qin Er Shi that I noted in a post above.
If we have the fortune I expect, we will have the economy of Zimbabwe, the freedom of North Korea, and the civic solidarity of the former Yugoslavia.
Fell deeds awake, fire and slaughter!
spears shall be shaken, shields be splintered,
a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Mind you, I prefer NATO standard calibers to spears and shields, but it may become war to the knife.
LC Subotai Bahadur
“I, (NAME), do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
That is the oath of enlistment for every soldier, sailor, airman and Marine in the US military, enlisted and officer. Please note that is only to the Constitution of the United States that the US military gives its allegiance and true faith to. Not to the President. Not to Congress. Not to the American people. So the question really is, “Where will the US military stand if push comes to shove?” Will they follow the unlawful orders of a President. Or will they “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”? Perhaps that is why the Left has alway hated the Military; knowing full well that Military would be the ones standing in the way of any attempt to subvert the US Constitution.
My congressman, Democrat Mike Honda here in Silicon Valley, also isn’t scheduling any face-to-face meetings with constitutents. Instead, he will have a “telephone town hall” where anyone can listen but only the chosen can dialogue. Talk about controlling the message.
I don’t think that will work now. The citizens know what it means. It knows the commissars are running scared.
All it took was 4 or 5 real Town Halls and YouTube has done the rest. And the blogs. God Bless all the bloggers great and small.
Whiskey, Darren:
Why did Obama pick this loathsome fight? I figure that opportunists can profit from the threat of change almost as well as change. Or as Instapundit would say, (with Brooklyn accent) “Nice country you got here, shame if anything should happen to it.”
Anybody remember John Mohammed and his young sidekick terrorizing Virginia and Maryland?
Leaving work during that time, I can remember scouring the tree line after working some ungodly hour after the whole place was closed down. Walking to my car about 100 yards from the front door, I tried to scan the treeline beyond the parking lot edge, looking for the “hiden marksman.” If there was any tell-tale movement, any suspicious and shouded activity, I could take evasive action. Silly, I know. I was in Atlanta, 500 or so miles away.
But since it was just after 911, I thought with what was then happening in America, if just 500 snipers (who walked over the border) were in place from al Qaeda, all over the country, a similar operation would literally shut America down.
After a time, things calmed down and I all but forgot all about scanning the treeline. I kept thinking, however, “What if that was just a dry run – a pilot program, a test to prove capability.
One shooter was bad enough. 500…whew! At times like this, all those things that I thought were highly improbable back then, are in the present angst, returning – and conceivable.
I know that paranoia is not a good thing to dwell on, unless of course, you’re right to be paranoid.
Wonder how the turn out at the events will be now. Especially since Billy Bob and his brothers, cousins, uncles, nephews, and practically every other member of the family will want to go “in case there might be trouble”. Here in the south there is a “nobody gonna to mess with my grandma” sentiment!
Talk to active duty grunts, you may or may not be surprised at what they’re saying. And small town police, you might be surprised there too, after all, no stimulus for them.
Like I said before, BHO is done, stick a fork in ‘em. His actions are political suicide, of course I also said he’s not planning on another election, the USA should be destroyed by then.
We now will have to figure out how to roll back all that crap of his.
The point of attending town hall meetings with
represenatives was to show the anger of the voters about pushing this healh care takeover.
Rrepresenatives have been ignoring emails, phone calls, and any other type of communication so voters waited for the town halls. The Democrats do not want to meet these angry coters where they can not control the message.
So what can voters do. I suggest they start showing at the Senators and Congress local offices and pettition there.
Taxpayers to Pay for UNION Retiree Health Plans !
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A Ten Billion Dollar Transfer from the taxpayers to the unions!
…to cover union freeloaders AND their wives and children.
These great Americans become eligible when they retire @ age 55!
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Miller asked a union caller what would be done with the millions
(billions, nationally) in their retirement accounts, union pig
replies, that’s MY Money, I’ll get my share back!
What’s his is his, and what’s ours is his, as far as us paying
for his healthcare, as well as his familys. Fair’s fair, right?
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See Page 65, Section 164 of HR 3200. It seems to set aside $10 Billion for “eligible” health plans…for retirees. Not only that, it specifies the retirees can be as young as 55 yrs old. Now, I know very very few non-union private companies offer retirement health care plans, especially not at 55.
Click here to read the letter John Sweeney sent to AFL-CIO members exhorting them to turn out at town hall meetings. Buried in the letter is this nugget: “Sweeney [demands] … the legislation contain “relief for company/union funds providing pre-Medicare retiree coverage”…
If you think people are mad about Obama’s health care proposals now, just wait until they find out they are going to be forced to pay for union health care benefits, starting at 55, that THEY THEMSELVES WON’T BE ABLE TO ACCESS!
NY Times leaves out all mention of violence perpetrated by Obama’s Union Thugs.
Health Debate Turns Hostile at Town Hall Meetings
No mention of Conservative Black that got beat up and sent to the hospital ER, or any of the seniors that were physically assaulted in article.
Followed by equally biased comments such as this gem:
“As a well educated, nuanced thinking progressive New Yorker, I hope these hooligans get what they deserve, namely their cozy healthcare plans pulled out from under them. I really don’t care if 45,000 health insurance jobs move out of NY.
Let them move to North Carolina, Texas, Iowa, India or whatever stinking place they feel they must..
And the pharmaceutical companies can go with them, to China for all I care.
New York is a knowledge based economy and we don’t need them.
I agree with Nancy Pelosi that these well dressed brown-shirted idiots are simply trying to retake congress!
As a social worker I have good benefits, but I also know many people don’t. I would be willing to support a New York State income tax healthcare surcharge of 5% on salaries over $56624, adjusted for inflation, as long as it does not apply to NYS pensions. And thank heavens the SEIU is going to send some members to these meetings to stare down these fascists.”
Doug, I love the bit about the “knowledge based economy”. The only thing left in NYC is servicing the hordes of immigrants. Wall Street and media (the only “knowledge based” sectors left) are letting people off in droves. NYC media has been in trouble for years. Try starting a high tech start up in this area today. Next to impossible.
Just what “knowledge based economy is she talking about? Most likely some sort of non profit NGO or “arts organization”. NYC is quickly descending into a “vanity based economy”, and all the “stimulus” money in the world could not keep it going for more than 9 months.
You can expect the NYT to lie. I do not think one need worry about it much.
As for that social worker, NYC’s tax base is primarily 40K high income people.
That is right, out of a city that of around 8 to 9 million, there are 40K people that pay most of the taxes. Chase out less than half of them, and Manhattan is done. It will be worse than the 1960′s and 1970′s as at least then people could get a job.
These people that read the times (and actually comment on their web site) are beyond reaching at this point. I have lived in NYC off an on mst of my life. I stopped reading the NYT’s more than a decade ago.
…that, and a ‘social worker’ needs demand, so this person has a (probably unexamined) bias toward an upset local culture. Another thing –re the evident hatred and disadain, this is a statist agent, a (probably un-self-recognized) professional statism-propagandist.
for the ‘People Who Hate Palin’ file:
Jesse Griffin, the Alaska blogger who Saturday claimed in an “exclusive” report that Todd and Sarah Palin were divorcing, will no longer work as an Anchorage kindergarten teaching assistant, school officials confirmed Wednesday.
Griffin’s resignation followed revelations that the 49-year-old Griffin had posted (under the alias “Gryphen”) sexually explicit advocacy of pornography and masturbation on his “Immoral Minority” blog….
Yessirree! JUST the sort of 49 year-old Assistant Kindergarten Teaching Assistant the country needs! A proud member (pardon the pun) of the “immoral minority” !
I can just imagine his hiring interview:
“Promise you won’t molest the children during class?”
“Oh, heck, okay.”
“Fine, then, you’re hired!”
This is interesting (Peolosi’s Denver dog and pony show)
http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/user%2F12059432389371802881%2Flabel%2Fconservative
Follow the link to the photos, there are a lot of them.
Pretty accurately shows the dem astros…pretty feeble, if this is the best she can do.
The Tea Partiers need to find a way to get these pictures out.
Mongoose, link in 119 no workee.
Here is a video from Thursday in Denver:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdvwuNmuvIQ
Opposition protesters are not paid by anyone. Obama supporters were in the minority.
oops.
“I would be willing to support a New York State income tax healthcare surcharge of 5% on salaries over $56624, adjusted for inflation, as long as it does not apply to NYS pensions.”
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$56624 – I wonder if that is one dollar more than she makes, doesn’t seem like one picked out of the blue.
#98 UNSK: “Buraq’s big mistake is that his gross overreach may quickly expose the hideous stench of the true psycho left. ”
If true this reaffirms my belief in Divine Providence
After reading the comments here, it is apparent that everyone else is concerned as well. There have been things said about how this could happen and why. About what he/she should have done or what we can do in the future when confronted with similar circumstances. But I’m afraid that most people when confronted will be caught unawares and unprepared.
When Obama was elected many of us knew what the future would bring. We had done our home work on Obama and his friends and what history we could determine about him and the environment he was raised in. We knew that he was first, a crooked politician, second, a closet communist and third, a hater of whites.
A true Chicago Thug.
I’ve lived my life under many rules, the main one was to treat others as I would like to be treated. Another is that prior planning prevents piss poor performance. Now everyone should understand that the democrats don’t believe in treating others well, except for a select few, but they do believe in planning. They have been planning this, including selecting Obama for many years. All well hidden, financed and carried out.
And the execution of their plan has just begun.
This Republic was not only hoodwinked, but is now being raped and the American people are the only ones that can stop it. The first step in doing this is unfolding now. Getting the average American’s attention. This step will most likely take several more months. It will depend on how arrogant and how unthinking the democrats and Obama’s handlers become. They have made some serious errors but will need to make many more before millions of Americans will come to the same conclusions that many of us already have.
The next step hopefully will be that our votes can correct the situation. But be warned, we have already seen how the democrats and their groups like Acorn and others can manipulate elections. It will be even worse in the coming elections because they have strengthened their positions and power.
If we fail to expunge them because of tainted elections and thuggery the next step will be horrible. But it is what the 2nd amendment was put in place for. It is the fail-safe amendment. When all else fails our founders knew that an armed populace would be our last resort to restore freedom and preserve our Republic.
Everyone needs to consider this and to make up their own minds about how they feel about this Republic and for which it stands.
Papa Ray
West Texas