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No Matter How Evil a Soul Becomes, Can It Still Find A Way to Return to The Creator?

An excerpt from page 15 of Leszek Kolakowski's Main Currents of Marxism asserts that hope endures even for the darkest of human monsters.

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April 26, 2013 - 4:18 pm

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And according to the history that I was taught, Mohammed's army burned down the Library of Alexandria and destroyed all of mankind's stored scientific and esoteric knowledge up to that point. All because they believed that the Koran was the only written word that should exist. And some of that knowledge has not been rediscovered to this day.
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Without reading the article, I'd have to say NO!!!! to that, unless the horrible,bloodthirsty monster of a human being were completely insane with no ability to discern right and wrong,like an infant. Anyone with a SHRED of sanity,of being able to make reasonable,rational decisions, who deliberately chooses to slaughter and defile and rob others would, it seems to me, be shut out from the one Perfect Being. After all, if our God is SO forgiving that we ALL go to Heaven, why did He bother giving us the Ten Commandments? Why did he let His Only Begotten Son go through the mockery of a trial and be horribly beaten and then crucified and die to save us from our sins, if our sins do not, in the end, matter? And why did Jesus speak so often of a "higher law" and exhort us to "be..perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect", if His Atonement would pay for all our evil doings? He Himself in a parable spoke of a greedy, thoughtless rich man who found himself in Hell after death because he hadn't helped the poor but good beggar beside the rich man's gate. The poor man went to Heaven. Couldn't God just offer us blanket forgiveness WITHOUT that Perfect Sacrifice of His Son? No, the really evil monsters will not be rubbing shoulders with Mother Teresa or William Tinsdale or Stephen or Father Maximilian Kolbe or Father Jerzy Popieluszko in Heaven, I don't think,if for no other reason because, by their deeds, they would be out of place there, and likely wouldn't even LIKE being there, any more than we get real pleasure out of the company of people WE perceive to be kinder or finer than we are. It takes a very great deal of pain and sacrifice and self denial to live a goodly life these days, and a sizable amount of persecution and ridicule is most definitely a given, the more you try to do right, the worse the opposition gets. To say that all those evil people who manage to gain a fortune out of their wickedness and then ridicule decent people (say, Hugh Hefner types) will go to the same glorious, happy place as the people who've given their lives to helping and uplifting and rescuing others is, to me, to make a mockery of the very idea of Heaven.
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Yes, and that is like saying everything is up: all things we can imagine could possibly happen, and I suppose I might grow diaphanous wings and fly to the moon too.

The issue really is that we don't have the ability to judge a persons nature, but we can judge their actions and further take a view of their future behavior and respond to that.

God's grace is not our concern, because we can't judge that, but we are obliged to do His will and protect the innocent.

This is just a rerun of the old irresistible force and immovable object, set to the current whinging.
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Can an evil soul find his way to redemption? That depends on the Lord's will. If the Lord wants a soul, He will get it. That's the "I" in the Calvinist acronym "TULIP" -- irresistable grace.

The prototype is Manasseh, the worst king of ancient Judah. You can read all about him in 2 Kings 21 and 2 Chronicles 33. As far as sins go, the biggie is idolatry ("Do not have any other god before Me") and where you find idolatry, you will find a lot of other things as well. Here's the litany: 1) rebuilt the altars of Baal; 2) served other gods; 3) practiced witchcraft; 4) committed murder against his own subjects; 6) sacrificed his own sons to his gods.

Then the Assyrians came in and carted him off to captivity with hooks in his nose and, what do you know, Manasseh repented and was restored to the throne, and spent the rest of his reign working to undo the damage he had done.

It was one of those cases where you actually want the bad guy to go down and when the Lord offers forgiveness, makes one want to shout, "No!!!!!!"

But the Lord forgave all of that.
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Manasseh's sins were forgiven because Manasseh REPENTED of them, forsook them, and spent the rest of his life in a mighty effort to put all that evil behind him and prove that he believed in God and would do works of goodness, not evil. Jesus taught the parable of the prodigal son to show us that if we will abandon our evil ways and seek forgiveness from Him and turn to righteousness. we will ever surely receive forgiveness.
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No, it can't -- find a way to redemption. See Pharaoh of the the Old Testament as one such example. God gives them over to their evil and permits his justice to take its course.
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Yes, if we will pursue our own wicked ways and refuse to turn to Him, He will leave us to suffer the natural consequences of our evil doings. Pharaoh was repeatedly warned to let the Hebrews go, and repeatedly refused,allowing his own people to suffer terrible plagues, only giving in when his own son died in the last one. Then he once again changed his mind,and sent his chariot army to kill the Hebrews,which worked out badly for him.
"Experience keeps a dear [very expensive] school, but some fools will learn in no other"...Benjamin Franklin
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Well, I think that's two separate questions: Will God act to restore grace, or will man turn towards God? And, again, are human beings required to act as God?

It would lead to different outcomes: Like, say, a death-row where everyone is kept alive as long as possible. We do that, now, more or less. We want them to grow to grace.

Or, say, some states have "imprisoned for life" but then do things like suspend the imprisonment, and then act surprised when the freed killers continue to murder: this would be Massachusetts and Willie Horton.

There would be death sentences carried out swiftly, if we trusted that God would judge fairly, immediately, Or if we trusted our own human judgement, separate from God's judgment. We don't seem to have had swift hangings for anyone but McVeigh, in the last half century. Maybe the executions against the people at Ruby Ridge, or Waco, or possibly the drone strikes, here. But it's not exactly being discussed by judges and juries- recognizable peers, and professionals of justice, now is it?

I tend to think that God's will is independent of human will, otherwise, the truly innocent would not die- Jesus- the close to innocent would not die- any of the martyrs- and killers would not be brought to grace, which they do, quite stunningly. Saul was an efficiently homicidal agent, before becoming St Paul.

Bernard Nathanson, founder of NARAL, entered the Catholic Church after a long catechumenate. The founder of Act-Up entered the church. St Augustine, the Manichean, entered the Church.

I think we all underestimate our sinfulness and brokenness. The object of our sin can't usually advocate for how much we have hurt them- to us, it's just a stunningly clever rejoinder, not a dire judgement, for one example. The person saying this won't remember a remark in their lifetime of coruscating Broadway Play witticisms splashed all over a household, while the injured party limps along, never able to insist on the athleticism of their soul- they had been hobbled so frequently by cruelty. That's the smallest example I can think of.

As well, we can't measure our goodness, or the effects of our acts of goodness. Even Jesus healed ten guys- and got feedback on exactly one of them. That one said the others had gone home and done alright. To me, that looks like 9 times out of ten, we have no clue about grace, and that's a best case scenario. Maybe it's 100 times we are kind, and the person's life is transformed. Maybe some people need one Hallmark moment, maybe someone else needs 45, and someone else 201- and it's not our place to say "enough, enough already!" We don't know who else is acting kindly, or what sort of seed is planted. It's not our orchard, if you will. We are hirelings, not very bright ones, even.

I think God acts, and not just our own self. It's like a trope in underwater movies, one is caught in a net, struggling, and not able to see the light on the surface. To someone in the boat- it's obvious- to someone in the net- it's disorienting, and nearly fictional, or not ever imagined at all.

I'm addressing this from a world that has a bible in it. I think the Greeks got as far as anyone with their own human intellect, soul and will could get. It's really far- but it's not the whole journey.

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>>No Matter How Evil a Soul Becomes, Can It Still Find A Way to Return to The Creator?<<

In theory, yes. In the real world, no. We have free will. Some choose to be evil and will never choose to stop being evil. They *enjoy* being evil. And it's not because they had an unpleasant childhood or a crazy mom or went to some half-witted, foaming at the mouth imam for their religious teachings. They *choose* to be evil. And there's no cure for that sort of evil person other than putting them down like a mad dog or locking them away in a tiny prison cell for the rest of their days on Earth.
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Paul is pretty clear that we are all wicked. "There is none righteous, no, not one; there is none who understands; there is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside... there is none who does good; no, not one."

In the Christian worldview, evil does not require an explanation. Only the good. And the good cannot happen without the Lord awakening us to the sin in our lives.
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Apparently some will not get another chance:
" For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness." 2Thessalonians 2:7-12 NASB
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Shoplifting, welfare, murder and bigotry, all powered by stupid ideas Plotinus warned about at the Library of Alexandria centuries before Islam existed.

"To any vision must be brought an eye adapted to what is to be seen" - Plotinus

Well, there's a lot to see, and we're ignoring it.
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And according to the history that I was taught, Mohammed's army burned down the Library of Alexandria and destroyed all of mankind's stored scientific and esoteric knowledge up to that point. All because they believed that the Koran was the only written word that should exist. And some of that knowledge has not been rediscovered to this day.
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Legend has it that the general who ordered the burning said something like,"if the writings are in the Koran, they are not needed, if they are not in the Koran,they are evil and must be destroyed".
Recently,something like 12 of the scrolls did turn up, evidently someone took them from the library before it was torched.
Still, what a horrible thing to do, what a loss to humanity.
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Short answer - yes. You have to believe, repent and accept the gift of redemption offered. Period.
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I could never buy into the Christian concept that a person could live a life of depravity and heinous evil, and then have his soul "saved" by begging God for forgiveness on his deathbed. That goes against the natural laws of Cause and Effect. I believe in Karma. And I am convinced that most humans have witnessed it firsthand.
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Assuming God knows a person well enough to know their motives and deep seated desires...now assume that a depraved person who has done much evil is dying...is it likely that they can suddenly change their deepest feelings and motivations at their death, at least enough to convince God that they have sincerely changed? It is very unlikely.

Majave Mark speaks of the thief on the cross who was next to Jesus at their crucifixions. He apparently had been having misgivings about his life and was open to change. That he saw the route to this change in the last few minutes of his life and was granted mercy gives us all hope, because we all tend to do bad things sometimes.
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As a Christian I would never want Karma. I don't want what I deserve, I want God's mercy, grace and forgiveness. The thief on the cross next to Jesus said that he (the thief) deserved to be there for his life of depravity. The thief simply asked Jesus to "remember" him when He arrived to his kingdom. That was enough.
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I'm operating on the principle that God doesn't recycle souls; no reincarnation. There is a verse in the Bible that says mercy triumphs over judgement, but that can only happen if the person receives the mercy offered. After mercy is rejected, then comes judgement. So sin will be dealt with and overcome either by mercy or by judgement, and the free will of man is left intact. After death comes judgement. How could it be otherwise with a righteous God?
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