Eric Holder’s Keystone State Voter ID Shakedown
The Eric Holder Justice Department has done it again, this time in Pennsylvania. Not content to use Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act to shake down Texas and South Carolina, the DOJ yesterday sent a demand to the Keystone State for stacks of documents regarding Pennsylvania voter ID.
This letter was a highly irregular and purely partisan exercise designed to stoke Obama’s electoral base in Philadelphia. It is also designed to placate the civil rights industry, which has quietly simmered about the lack of enforcement of the Voting Rights Act to help minorities over the last three years. (See, Wade Henderson – Cat Got Your Tongue?)
The demand letter to Pennsylvania was sent pursuant to 42 U.S.C 1974. This law requires election officials to preserve election records for 22 months after an election. It is designed to ensure that no racial discrimination occurred in the conduct of a particular election. For example, poll books from 1966 would have to be kept for 22 months to ensure that both black and white voters who were properly registered were actually allowed to vote.
Like so much with this Justice Department, the partisans have perverted the law and demanded far more than the law allows, so much so that even liberal former DOJ lawyers are surprised.
Note that Assistant Attorney General Tom Perez signed the letter. Normally, when I worked on cases involving 42 U.S.C. 1974, either the trial lawyer or section chief would sign the letter. It may be that Chris Herren, the current section chief, would do neither what the career partisans below him wanted nor what the political gangsters above him wanted. Internal dissent may be afoot, and with good reason.
The letter also demands that Pennsylvania turn over information far beyond what Section 1974 envisions. The letter reads like a discovery request in litigation, which of course it is — it’s just that the litigation hasn’t started yet. In fact, it is almost impossible for DOJ lawyers to write a “J-Memo” without Pennsylvania’s cooperation. That’s another way of saying Pennsylvania is most likely to be sued only if they cooperate with the demand letter.
Expect DOJ to do something against Pennsylvania in the fall to really pump the political bellows, even if it is simply a notice of intent to sue.
Assistant Attorney General Perez should have to answer to Congress this week about any coordination between the DOJ and the ACLU regarding the latter’s lawsuit against Pennsylvania. The letter reads like an ACLU wish list in their lawsuit.
The letter seeks all voter records, lists of people who don’t have ID, and internal studies which probably don’t exist exactly like DOJ suspects. The letter even brazenly goes after Governor Tom Corbett’s press shop, demanding documents supporting his press release!
The most transparent corrupt criminal administration in history.
“Transparent” and “corrupt” above should be strikeouts (/s – c-o-r-r-u-p-t).
True, this argument holds no water since everyone, not just minorites are asked to show ID. I have been since the 60′s. Never once did I think it anything but an honor to vote in my country.
In a mere eight words, you have summed up the crux of this
once great nation’s worst dilemma in history.
Thank you.
If you’re AGAINST Voter I.D., you’re FOR vote fraud. Yes, Democrat Party, I’m talking to YOU!
It’s a sick and sad situation when Americans are forced by honesty to admit that MEXICO has more free and more honest Presidential elections than the U.S.A. does. Even as corrupt a party as the PRI didn’t dare violate the requirements to show photo I.D. at the ballot box!
In a just world Holder would be impeached, stripped of citizenship, and extradited to Mexico to face charges for his involvement in Fast and Furious. I’m sure the Mexicans would be happy to treat him as he deserves.
To say that I hold the current leadership of the U.S. Department of Justice in utter contempt is to be guilty of serious understatement. They’re not interested in catching real criminals; they’re interested in hurting their political enemies. Make no mistake, that directive comes from the top. Chris Adams must have a smile on his face every day just because he no longer works at the DOJ.
Fathom if you will, the hypocrisy of a ‘government’ that requires
every citizen to prove that they are health insured………….
But not everyone must prove that they are a citizen.
Good luck, America.
Paraphrased from a quote by Ed Strait.
You forget we are talking about Eric Heydrich – I mean Holder!
Maybe its just me, but if you do not have the basic skills necessary to obtain a government issued ID, be it a driver’s license, passport, etc., nor a command of basic civics necessary to realize that in order to vote you must register beforehand with your city or town (never mind the intellectually arduous task of arranging for transportation to and from city hall), you are probably not sufficiently conversant in political matters in order to make an informed and rational decision for whom to cast your ballot.
All of the above are no more difficult than walking into a bar and ordering a beer, or walking into a convenience store and buying a lottery ticket.
“…All of the above are no more difficult than walking into a bar and ordering a beer, or walking into a convenience store and buying a lottery ticket.”
Or collecting and using food stamps, for that matter. Don’t they require some form of ID to collect State services?
In my state (West Virginia), SNAP applicants (old Food Stamps, new name) must produce a certified birth certificate for each family member to be eligible for SNAP. Getting a certified birth certificate is a heck of a lot more effort than getting a picture ID from the Department of Motor Vehicles. Here is more nonsense: when someone applies for SNAP (or any other welfare benefit) the social worker is obligated by Federal Law to provide and help complete “Motor Voter” applications so all adults in the family get the opportunity to register to vote. This obligation is required every time a applicant comes into the office. Since the elimination of a pint of whiskey and a twenty dollar bill given to each Democrat voter at the polls, turnout is usually pretty low in West Virginia.
This article, others in PJ Media and others elsewhere, particularly directed at the justice system, recall to mind a story of a “fundamental transformation” of another republic long ago and incite me to ask a question. First the story: I mean the Roman Republic. Julius Caesar became “dictator”, and for life, and wanted a more positive sounding status. This the old-guard Republicans could not accept such a “transformation” and they voted with their knives. We know the story. When the battles after Caesar’s death ended, Octavius, adopted son of Caesar, returned to Rome and surrendered “officially” power to the Senate and became the “princeps” or “first citizen”. Somewhat like a president today. Within some years, by the process of centralization of power under his control (including the instruments of justice), viz. power to rule by ordering, Octavius was able to impart an “august” aurora to his “dictatorship” becoming the “imperator” and finally “Caesar” (a name whose mystical and justifying power sweeps through history and is to be seen in “Tzar” and “Kaiser”). There are echoes of this “fundamental transformation” of a republic of old in the polemical references to a power accruing president as an “imperial” president (who, in the case of Obama, has his Tzars running this or that part of American by means of “orders”). At some point in Roman history of “fundamental transformation” the Republic ended (remaing as decoration) and an Empire began. At some point, resistance became useless, as Cicero learned certainly by the time of his (by Octavius) ordered assassination. In other words, the evolution becamse a revolution and it was no longer stoppable.
Question: My question is directed not only to Mr. Adams, but also to any other interested reader. I cannot surpress the opinion, inkling, presentiment mediated by such analyses as this article, that the evolution of the “fundamental transformation” of America is approaching the point of irreversibility, not there yet, yet not so far away. Is my presentiment justified? Will the family name “Obama” resonate through history (or at least through a post-republican America) in a manner similar to Mr. Julius Caesar’s family name? Will we be ruled one day by the imperial “Obama” (repulican terms such as “president” having gone out of style)? Or am I just being too pessimistic?
I, like you, see some real overstepping by the elected President and his band of thugs. I also see him with a real method underway to steal the next election, and to do what ever next he desires, if in fact the election is stolen.
I am in hopes that Penn will tell the DoJ to shove it and wait for a court action on the documentation request, as Texas should have done, and GA did.
But, further than this I see a vital need for the Several States to demand a Constitutional Convention and if Congress does not comply immediately, to declare one, and recall all of their Congressional Representatives and Senators which will stall the Congress. This is all a part of Article V of the Constitution. And the Founders wrote this Article knowing that someday the Federal Government would get completely out of control. This is the noose around the neck of the Federal Government and it is our only method of keeping control of the mess. With a CC we, the Citizens of the Several States can modify the Constitution and rechain the Federal Government to the Liberty Tree where it can never again usurp power from the States and create havoc on the people… This is our only method of saving our Nation……
We can safely assume that Pennsylvania is in play,not a good time to open your mail! This could be a good time to split up the state(its been done before). I recommend Pennsylvania and Penn Island. We could leave Penn Island to the aclu {assuming they dont have a clu},and reserve the rest for normal people.We could redirect the money trucks from d.c. to Penn Island.Where is Ben Franklin when you need him?
The PA law is going down for voter ID. Just like the idiotic suit filed against the New Black Panther party for voter intimidation (gee was that you who filed that frivolous lawsuit)? Just yesterday we find out the Republicans had not uncovered one case of in person voter fraud (I guess the Gov was lying when he said there were some) and did not investigate to see if there were any.
As we know voting rights is one of the most important rights we have and the conservatives (like you?) since 2010 have passed dozens and dozens of laws to prevent people from voting. It would be shameful if conservatives experienced shame.
Oh and you stating the Bush administration would never be so partisan is a joke right? Didn’t Alberto stuff the AG office with Liberty Attorney’s and instruct them to go after non-existent voter fraud?
When i go to vote against hugobama should i bring a club? I would like to avoid being Beat Down! And when i enter any building housing federal business should i ignore all of those instructions in 50 different languages? I feel that in Filibustering for lax voting requirements you stand alone!
Lax voting requirement? They are the same requirements we have had for hundreds of years. You live in a district you vote in that district.
Now I know you are not smart enough to know what going an but the conservatives realize that this is there last big chance as demographic are changing and their breed hopefully will be going the way of the dodo bird. Angry old white men who really don’t like their pathetic hateful lives.
“Angry old white men who really don’t like their pathetic hateful lives”
…says the inferior RACIST leftist lib from boston. Is that all you got, inferior?…..sure sign you’re losing.
Please. You’re essentially arguing that, “We’ve been committing vote fraud for years; how dare you try to stop that leftist tradition and ensure an accurate vote?”
Thanks for the open displays of bigotry, hate-boy! Just more confirmation that the Left is GROUNDED in racist, sexist, anti-western and anti-Christian hatred.
He really said to go after non-existent fraud? Or are you just toeing the line that fraud doesn’t exist?
Despite a New York Democrat proclaiming it’s “standard operating procedure”.
We are talking about in person voter fraud. Where is the evidence?
This is an oddball kind of kabuki we’re engaged in. We know beyond any reasonable doubt that you’re in favor of voter fraud, and want to see it perpetuated. You know that you’re in favor of it. I can easily believe that every single reader of any major site or other news source is aware of it. So the question that interests me is: for whose benefit, exactly, are you posturing?
Where it is, idiot lefty, is in every Blue place in the Country, and especially in the Blue places in Red or Purple states, and the reason for it is to offset the Republican votes in the suburbs and rural areas where the people who aren’t parasites live.
The way it works is you have pollwatchers with the precinct roll, a roll perfectly polluted due to motor voter and registration fraud with “registered voters” who don’t exist or who don’t live in the district. By late in the day, the poll watchers communicate with their pricipals at the union hall, the Democrat front group, the Black church, the Hispanic center first how many of their identified real voters haven’t voted and the organization gets on the phone or saddles up the van and gets out their people who’ve neglected to vote. That’s why it is so important for all the front groups to have good lists and contact numbers for their real voters. They also know the people who don’t exist haven’t voted and they have a pretty good idea what the turnout has been in the enemy precincts so they know how many “extra” votes they need. So, they gather up their “voters” get in the van, and give the “voters” the name to use at each polling place. If they’re having trouble, they can have their union friends arrange a power outage or a water main break so the polls can stay open longer. Running out of ballots is a perenial favorite as well to keep the polls open longer. If all else fails, they can go tell some BS story about voter intimidation or evil Republican plots to some corrupt Democrat, pardon the redundancy, judge and s/he’ll give them an order to keep the polls open longer so they can increase the “turnout.” The factual predicates are a dirty voter roll and no state issued ID. It is actually quite easy to forge a state voter registration ID, but it takes too long as each “voter” has to be too many different people as they go from polling place to polling place. ACORN and other front groups have skated by always attributing the registration fraud to the avarice of some paid registrar just trying to up his/her numbers for more pay, but actually the registration fraud is a systematic action led by communist, excuse me, Democrat apparachiks, excuse me, operatives who work diligently to get as many non-existent and non-resident “people” as possible registered. It is also possible to go vote as one of the real people registered in the precinct, but it is risky even when done late in the day or during extended polling hours because it becomes a bit complicated if the real person shows up only to find that they’ve already voted.
I can also school you on how to commit voter fraud in various ways using absentee ballots for nonexistent people, for nursing home and mental hospital residents, for college students and snowbirds, they’re good because you can get a twofer with them, a vote in two different places. The absentee ballot is the last resort for really close races. It is the last resort because absentee counts often take place in civilized places so there are usually schooled Republican observers and it is risky to “find” more ballots, though if you have friendly law enforcement and courts, e.g., Minnesota, you can committ fraud in front of God and everybody and get away with it, See, Al Franken. Oh, and you know where I learned about all this stuff? Back when I was young, dumb, and a Democrat, I worked for the AFL-CIO’s Committee on Political Education. We didn’t have Motor Voter back then, but we knew how to work the system; Motor Voter only made it easier.
There isn’t much record of prosecution of this stuff because there isn’t any law enforcement not under Democrat control in these places and everybody knows that Democrats are good people, good people don’t do bad things, and therefore, there is no need for law enforcement in Democrat places.
Ah, the joys of red baiting, false equivalencies and ad hominem attacks.
I have a number of problems with the various voter ID laws, which have nothing to do with partisanship, and everything to do with “conservative” values.
First, voting is a right, which means it is constitutionally protected by due process and similar tools in the constitution. Defacto, when you present yourself at the poll, there is a presumption of innocence. It must be *proven* you are not a voter. The burden of proof lies on the state, not on the individual. These laws exactly reverse that, unconstitutionally.
Challenges to voting are perfectly reasonable, and proper. Provisional ballots are the mechanism used in most places to address exactly that question.
It is completely proper for the states to be petitioned for documentation proving the need – in the way of studies or histories of prosecution which demonstrate fraud on the scale implied by current popular assertions. As the article notes, they do not exist.
So fundamentally, the issue is one of laziness on the part of the states to enforce existing law. The tools already exist. Use them.
However, in fact, there is considerable evidence that fraud does not exist on the scale being asserted. Some of this has been around for quite a while. An example:
http://www.alternet.org/news/153435/republican_lawyers_group%27s_own_study_undercuts_vote_fraud_claims/
So to conclude, the shoe is in fact on the other foot. There is very clear intention on the part of members of the Republican party to keep legitimate voters away from the polls. This has been unambiguously documented.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-05-03/news/bal-key-documents-show-plan-to-suppress-black-votes-in-robocall-trial-20120502_1_documents-detail-schurick-doctrine-ehrlich-campaign
http://masonbuzz.com/2011/10/14/huckabee-defends-issue-2-to-crowd-in-mason/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57447512-503544/in-wisconsin-reports-of-voter-suppression-efforts/
So, I think the laws generally are a bad idea, and existing law, properly enforced, would deal quite adequately with voting fraud.
Further the initiative behind the new laws is specifically intended not to prevent fraud, but rather, to limit legitimate voters ability to exercise their franchise.
Fail
voting is a privilege not a right
@ Seattle Lefty Idiot – First, understand I absolutely hate your effin’ town and will until the day I can buy something in Alaska that hasn’t been through your corrupt, communist town – Harry Bridges mean anything to you? Jones Act?
You get all righteous from the state whose SC turned the 1st Am. on its head to continue the WEA’s money laundry from dues to the Democrat Party. From the State that allowed AFSCME to count the votes until they got them right to elect Gregoire?
And them big words like ad hominem and all that stuff you learned from your lefty talking points; I don’t think you know what they mean, so perhaps you could parse it out for me; if I call you an ignorant a**hole and show just how you’re an ignorant a**hole, it isn’t an ad hominem attack. So, you’re an ignorant a**hole; rebut it.
SOP–Programmed Liberal response to voter ID laws is consistently: “There is NO evidence for voter fraud.” Holder is very adept at this one.
“Tell a lie often enough and everyone will believe it.” —Lenin
Where’s the evidence that any eligible voter was ever prevented from voting because that person had no ability whatsoever to obtain valid ID?
And no, you can’t name the Dems’ star witness: the young woman who flew from Texas to Washington to testify that her parents were too busy to drive her to get an ID. (How did she get to the airport? How did she get on the plane?)
If you’re sincerely looking for evidence of fraud, here’s a start:
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/07/25/why-is-the-voter-participation-center-spoofing-the-virginia-state-board-of-elections-return-address/
This is a large-scale, organized effort, ostensibly to encourage “participation,” but unquestionably involving deceit. And it’s run by Democrats, of course.
Here you go, as*hole, took me all of 5 minutes to find:
http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120611/NEWS/120619972/-1/NEWS01
Given time enough, I’ll find plenty more examples.
MEMO TO LEFT WING PROPAGANDISTS: In-person voter fraud is not only real, it’s been one of the preferred strategies of the Democratic Party for DECADES (besides absentee ballot fraud). OWN it, jerk-offs.
Yes, but this is planet Earth, remember?
Here’s a tip. Send a message to all those you know without a valid ID who desperately want to exercise their constitutional right to vote and tell them they have a little over THREE MONTHS to go and get one.
If they can’t fit it into their schedule, well, you can always sign up a few more dead people to vote for the communist.
Come on 3 whole months is way tooo short of a time to get this FREE identification card.
After all, these are the same people who don’t:
Cash a check
Use a credit card
Go into a court house
Go into a police station
Fly on a plane
Purchase medication
Purchase alcohol
Enter most federal buildings
Sign up for a grocery store rebate / preferred shopper program
Sign up for transit system free /discount rider programs
They also can’t go into an NAACP meeting to hear Eric Holder speak and say Voter ID is the new “poll tax”. This is because the NAACP wouldn’t allow anyone into their meeting without showing a photo ID.
As the Pennsylvania state coordinator of a national election integrity effort, this mantra about Voter I.D. suppressing vote is just not getting traction. Thus, the law suits from our esteemed DOJ. The reason it’s getting traction in spite of its constant repetition is that it defies common sense by any sense of the word. When virtually any event that takes place in our country requires some form of I.D., it’s almost laughable that the dems keep mindlessly repeating that is suppresses votes. Could someone explain just HOW it suppresses votes? And trying to get us to believe that large numbers of any group just can’t get identification is equally laughable. No one ever provides evidence beyond an anecdote or two. Can you please explain in detail how requiring an id for THE most important event in which we participate keeps certain groups (always MINORITY groups, mind you!!) from casting their votes?? And then, explain why those same people never are able to get absentee ballots to our military??? This is fraud, pure and simple, unless you can show me otherwise!!
Perhaps I’m wrong, but maybe those who seem to think that “identification” = voting abuse are the same ones that think MEXICANS are from the state of Mexico, which odumbell will tell you is one of the 57 states.
“Just yesterday we find out the Republicans had not uncovered one case of in person voter fraud…”
Oh really, numbnuts? Well, here’s a recent example of a Pennsylvania voter who voted illegally FOUR times in ONE election…hmmmmmmm…but I’m sure this is the ONLY time it EVER HAPPENED, right?…uh-huh…
http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120611/NEWS/120619972/-1/NEWS01
BostonLib.
Either you’re ignorant, which can be undone, or you’re stupid, in which case, you’re a lost cause, since nobody can fix stupid.
I’d like to consider you ignorant, and to help you get over this condition, I suggest following the link below to a report by a Philadelphia City Commissioner Al Schmidt’s office detailing instances of voting irregularities in the “City of Brotherly Love”.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27249508/Voting%20Irregularities%20Report.pdf
Cheers!!
Here in Pennsylvania it is well known that the Philadelphia democrat poltical machine controls the vote in that city and is egregious in its vote theft. In the last presidential election Holder said it was legal for black panthers to intimidate white voters at the voting booth. Obama and Holder are criminals and the city democrats who profit by their corruption should be in jail. Another sign of the urgency to get rid of Obama in November; for too long the corrupt big city machines have run a criminal enterprise in this land.
one needs to find one person who was intimidated doesn’t one. Why don’t you ask the person who field that ridiculous suit (he wrote this article) how many people he found who were intimidated and didn’t vote. They found many white people who thought they were kinda pathetic like most normal people would. But then we are talking about conservatives here who need guns on their person at all times as they frighten easily.
I recall a long-time civil rights activist who was there saying it was as bad or worse than what he saw in the south in the ’50s, and the law doesn’t require that anyone was actually prevented from voting.
But, we get it — you think it’s perfectly fine for your allies to brandish clubs outside a polling place. You think it’s fine for people to assume the names of others and vote in their place. Your message is clear.
So you’re saying that if you can manage to gin up one person who might not be able to fulfill the voter photo ID requirements, that invalidates every attempt to quash the rampant vote fraud in Democrat strongholds? Yeah, you certainly can convince people with THAT argument. Idiot.
“This letter was a highly irregular and purely partisan exercise designed to stoke Obama’s electoral base in Philadelphia.”
While this is true, it is highly hilarious, given that PA enacted this voter ID for the sole reason of disenfranchising Democratic voters, a purely partisan exercise as you say to stoek Republican voters.
I think your assertion is false. First, the one legislator never said any such thing. He did not say “I enacted Voter ID to disenfranchise democrats.” Absent that statement, your assertion is speculation at best, paranoid speculation I might add. Second, even if one legislator thought Voter ID might help Romney, that doesn’t mean that the “sole reason” voter ID was passed is political. Assertions to the contrary are speculation rooted in paranoia. But paranoia is what greases the wheel on the voterID opposition wagon train.
I think your thinking is clouded by ideology. Maybe you can show us all this in person voter fraud that has been going on in all these Republican led states where they have been trying to pass voter id? Where is all this fraud?
Now if you don’t know why this is happening maybe you should get educated on this topic rather than spew this feign innocence on trying to prevent what is not happening.
“I think your thinking is clouded by ideology”
Pot. Kettle.
A couple of points. First, there need not be ANY voter fraud in order to pass a Voter ID law. So says the United States supreme court in Crawford. States have the power to enact prophylactic statutes to prevent something in the future that hasn’t even occured. Secondly, I’ve read sworn affidavits about in person voting fraud in PA.
A couple of points – Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act states that: ” voting practices or procedures that discriminate on the basis of race, color, or membership in one of the language minority groups identified in Section 4(f)(2) of the Act. Most of the cases arising under Section 2 since its enactment involved challenges to at-large election schemes, but the section’s prohibition against discrimination in voting applies nationwide to any voting standard, practice, or procedure that results in the denial or abridgement of the right of any citizen to vote on account of race, color, or membership in a language minority group. Section 2 is permanent and has no expiration date as do certain other provisions of the Voting Rights Act.”
In 1980 the Supreme Court upheld this and in 1982 the legislature expanded this to include:
“concluded that Section 2 should be amended to provide that a plaintiff could establish a violation of the section if the evidence established that, in the context of the “totality of the circumstance of the local electoral process,” the standard, practice, or procedure being challenged had the result of denying a racial or language minority an equal opportunity to participate in the political process.”
My question to you is why do you want to disenfranchise minority voters in urban areas and does your mother know what you are doing and would she be proud that your fighting to take votes away from people who don’t look like you just because they don’t typically vote for your candidates. How Christian of you!
Your logic would render voter registration laws as voter suppression. And beware of citing the 82 amendments for your argument. They don’t offer much help.
BostonLib, why do you assume urban minorities are incapable of getting free IDs? Do you believe they are incompetent? Or that the Democrat machines that run urban areas will prevent the issue of their free IDs?
“Your logic would render voter registration laws as voter suppression.”
Don’t give the left ideas! They’re close enough to claiming citizenship requirements are voter suppression!
RC, Progressives all believe their client class is incompetent. Hell, they believe everyone but themselves to be incompetent, hence the impulse to control and the belief of absolute moral superiority. How else to explain the, errr, irrational anger at being questioned. Hence, you’re are not just ill-informed, misguided, wrong, following a course with which they disagree or maybe even the loyal opposition, but instead you are EVIL and must be destroyed.
Charming.
Well, obviously they are incompetent, why else would they vote Democrat? Duh!
How about the areas that had more votes cast than there were total possible voters?
Don’t feel required to reply, your history shows that you will call everyone a liar and when proof is shown you will disappear here to appear somewhere else being impervious to truth.
Not a voter ID issue but a post on how ACORN, NAACP are influencing early voting, lengthy post but worth a read
“But the real meat of the discussion came when Mr. Lawrence Watts asked the board to state, for the record, the options open to ALL voters during the early-voting period. Mr. Davis, the director of the Pitt County Board of Elections, explained that all voters can vote at one-stop voting locations for 2 1/2 weeks prior to Election Day, with hours that certainly accommodate persons who work full time. Locations are open at 8:00 in the morning and while some may close down at 5:00 pm, there are locations that remain open until 7:00 pm. In addition, those who can’t physically travel to a polling location have 60 days to submit an absentee ballot to the Board of Elections. The enormity of early voting really hit home to the crowd of people. People who want to vote have 2 full months to do so. They have options to do so in person or by mail. There are no racial or religious barriers. As Mr. Watts emphasized: “Clearly, anyone who really wants to vote has ample opportunity to do so.”
Just when it seemed that the hearing was coming to some type of conclusion and comments were concluding, John Born and Patsy Duke asked the board why they were considering Sunday voting. Was the change something the board itself initiated or was an outside request made? Two members of the board – David Conradt and Lisa Taylor – refused to divulge who made the request, but Patrick Nelson was willing to give the information. It wasn’t until the crowd became frustrated and restless that the director, Mr. David Davis, stepped up and in effect told the board “if you aren’t willing to tell them, I’ll do it.” He then proceeded to read the requests directly from the record. It was Organizing for America (ACORN) , the NAACP, and Betsy Leech who had made the request. The request for the change in early voting came not from concerned citizens but from political machines with a political agenda. The request came not from individuals themselves who had real issues of voter disenfranchisement but from political organizations who want to make it more effective to get voters out for Barack Obama.
The NAACP representative who was present said his organization supports Sunday voting because, as he put it, Sunday is the only opportunity that many blacks have to vote. When asked about why they can’t take advantage of the absentee ballot option, he said “well, maybe I don’t have enough money for a stamp.” Of course, that opens a whole ‘nother can of worms… maybe the government’s decision to raise the price of stamps is racially discriminatory. Someone, get on that please !!”
http://ncrenegade.com/elections/the-pitt-county-nc-board-of-elections-gives-the-green-light-to-acorn/
“”The letter seeks all voter records, lists of people who don’t have ID”"
If people don’t have ID, how is Pa going to compile that list?
Simple: cross match the PennDOT driver database with the SOS voter registered database. Not rocket science.
Constitution? We don’t need no stinking constitution…….
Well, it just seems like the Democrats are obsessed with allowing dead people and illegal aliens to vote. After all, if they had voter I.D., ACORN and groups like it would be out of business. That’s how Obama got his start, being a “community organizer,” which is a nice term for getting dead people to vote Democratic. This is obscene and the Republicans in Congress should push for Holder’s impeachment, not that it will ever happen.
Two months to vote? An idea like that could only come from a machine clearly worried about being thrown out of office! Obviously they need more time to poison the kool-aid. Clean up the voting process now because the alternative will destroy this Country!
I went to an outpatient clinic Monday for a blood test and had to show a photo ID. If you don’t think voter fraud is a problem why are you so afraid of the law. Whether there is voter fraud or not, as the crime boss said in “Goodfellows” when deciding on a hit, “Why take a chance?”
Totalitarians, we are watching you.
History is watching you.
Everything you do will work to your demise.
Internet is here, you no longer control the information.
You can make the way of Freedom very difficult but you can’t win.
Not to say that the Republicans are pure,i agree that the internet acts as the Light of Day on the party that wants to own the election process. As i see it the remaining dark corners of socialist mischief are the major cities, where political machines would monopolize the oxygen itself if they could pull it off!
Anymore, the Democratic Party is completely fraudulent. They are against voter ID because it might make it harder for them to steal an election. Clinton’s push for “Motor Voter” was the opening of Pandora’s Box, as he well knew.
Freaking pure propaganda from another reich-wing shill for the decade-long push by Republicans to remove potential Democrat supporters from the voter roles (see Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004 for two excellent examples). And, if you don’t believe that’s what’s going on here, I have a bridge to nowhere with your name on it.
But don’t take my word for it, here’s Pennsylvania Republican House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R-Allegheny) suggesting that the House’s end game in passing the Voter ID law was to benefit the GOP politically.
“We are focused on making sure that we meet our obligations that we’ve talked about for years,” said Turzai in a speech to [Republican State Committee] members Saturday. He mentioned the law among a laundry list of accomplishments made by the GOP-run legislature. “Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it’s done. First pro-life legislation – abortion facility regulations – in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”
This is your country under reich-wing tyranny.
Any questions?
I didn’t think so.
My Star Wars friend,excuse me if i refuse to board that broken wagon and let others do all of the work. In my perfect world anyone receiving a welfare check must forfeit their right to vote! How i loved going to work since i turned 13 while millions could stay home get a check in the mail,food stamps,crazy checks,im sure you know the drill.Its people like me who provide the jobs,create things,support the obese government,and pay usurious taxes to all of the governments that are empowered to shake me upside down for my lunch money! Excuse me for thinking for myself and refuse to join a phalanx of destruction determined to turn this veterans Country into Venezuela!
You remind me of Sarah Palin in the Vice-Presidential debate, she just completely ignored the question and went off on a screed about whatever she wanted to talk about.
That’s YOU, clamdigger53 (hint, that’s NOT a compliment).
Meanwhile, returning to the REAL topic, Philadelphia’s independent weekly reports that “the number of Pennsylvanians who might not have the photo identification necessary to vote this November has more than doubled: at least 1,636,168 registered voters, or 20 percent of Pennsylvania voters, may not have valid PennDOT-issued ID, according to new data obtained by City Paper. In Philadelphia, an enormous 437,237 people, or 43 percent of city voters, may not possess the valid PennDOT ID necessary to vote under the state’s controversial new law.”
There’s your voter suppression, people!!
Are you listening, clamdigger53???
Hello, come in clamdigger.
Any response to the real debate?
Ok, you’re not living in reality so not surprised you don’t have a clue about what’s happening with voter suppression.
Not so fast, numbnuts, I do have a question, namely: Where’d the Philadelphia City Paper / Philadelphia Weekly come up with these obviously b*llshit figures?
And secondly: How f*cking stupid do YOU have to be to f*cking BELIEVE that b*llshit? Or do you REALIZE the figures are b*llshit, but repeat it anyway because you’re just a whore for the criminal left?
So what you’re saying boils down to, “Mommy, they’re trying to get us to stop cheating! Make them stop!!”
You really don’t have a clue, do you? You probably actually believe that “voter fraud” is what this is all about (even thought the actually, verifiable cases of fraud are so small they are almost unmeasurable).
“any questions?”
yes
the only one:
how does voter-id remove potential democrats from voting?
Voter ID requirements can serve as a “poll tax” for some people. If you really want to know how onerous this is, just google up a few stories. Some people need birth certificates they no loner have. I read of one person unable to get a duplicate because the building housing those documents had burned. Old people that don’t drive don’t have drivers licenses, etc etc. There’s costs involved in getting duplicate records as well as the ID itself in some cases.
But, if you really want to check out what’s going on here, look a little deeper. It’s NOT just ID laws that unfairly burden a usually poor minority, the Republicans have gone way beyond that. Here’s just SOME of what the Republicans did in 2004 in Ohio to suppress the vote and steal that election.
Republican Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell stripped some 308,000 Ohio citizens from the registration rolls in heavily Democratic districts; ran voter “caging” operations using do-not-forward letters targeted at Democratic districts (if you’ve moved, your don’t get the letter and your name is removed from the polls); short-changed those same districts on voting machines causing lines that in some cases resulted in 12-hour waits; targeted voter registration drives and caused turmoil by making a last-minute demand that the weight of the paper stock being used in the registration drives be changed. One result of these campaigns to remove voters from the roles in Ohio in 2004 was 141,000 provisional ballots being cast, 16,000 of which have never been counted. This mass disenfranchisement alone may have accounted for the 118,000-plus official margin that gave George W. Bush a second term in the White House.
And for the coup de grâce, on election night, using a company run by the IT guru for Bush and Rove, Blackwell e-mailed Ohio’s electronic vote count to a basement in Chattanooga, Tennessee that housed the servers for the Republican National Committee. The IT expert for the Ohio voting system was sent home that night and the system was taken over by “private contractors” and the count moved to Tennessee even though there was no system fail in Ohio to justify it. This is detailed in documents filed recently in an on-going lawsuit in Ohio, King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell.
Exit polls showed Kerry WINNING Ohio before this inexplicable diversion of votes to a Republican-controlled computer system. That night the tally “miraculously” shifted from Kerry to Bush ultimately giving Bush a second term.
There’s your real voter fraud, daxypoo.
Meanwhile, the Brennan Center for Justice reveals a voter fraud rate of 0.00004% in the closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio. This minuscule amount of documentable fraud is used to scare the rubes and yahoos. Some of these easily-persuaded morons actually believe this drool. My quote from Mike Turzai above gives you a glimpse behind the veil in an unguarded moment to see what this is really about, stealing elections by suppressing Democrat constituencies (older people, poor people, people of color, students) as well as outright theft through examples like Ohio.
Yes, it’s really going on and yes, you can easily verify everything I’ve posted.
In the spirit of another post here, we should be able to institutionalize people as observably nuts as you. You people are simply too damn dumb to participate in a republic. And, yeah, that’s ad hominem, but it is all a lefy useful idiot like you deserves.
Look who’s calling someone else “dumb”, an idiot that hasn’t got any “game”, can’t respond to verifiable facts that I’ve posted, but can call someone names.
Stupid is as stupid does, Bozo.
Meanwhile, I don’t want an idiot like you institutionalized, just banned from posting drivel.
Well, I guess the alternative is just killing all you mental defecttives, but we have tried to be nice to you for so, so very long.
You have a long list of claims against the State of Ohio that have no basis or are activities allowed under law. The King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell is sadly laughable. Using exit polls as a measure of voting direction is weak, especially since the 2004 exit poll system developed by Battelle Memorial at their office in Arlington, VA was a failure. I know because I worked there at that time. Under contract to the news agencies, the system was never beta tested before it was switched on and failed, not only in Ohio but in every state. The exit poll crash that night in NY was a sight to see.
Second, it is interesting that the defendant was the one who requested that all ballots and records be secured. The judge agreed and motioned. All that would need to be done is have the ballots recounted and the conspiracy theory would be over. 7 years later and dems are still burning cash trying to prove with innuendo that computer records were tampered with but blocking the recount of actual ballots.
Grandma on SS can’t find her birth certificate? Call the County and order one. Besides, she needed picture ID when she filed for SS.
Don’t have an ID? Can’t drive anywhere to get the free ID? Don’t have any documents saying who you are? Guess what: mail in your ballot.
Never mind that ACA Obamacare will require you to have your state issued ID when you go into the hospital or doc’s office.
Unmeasurable numbers of voter fraud? Learn to google. Of course, this year’s cases are still under indictment or in court. Last year and going back, it is page after page of cases with sentences (throw the ones out with Grandma who carried in her husband’s ballot, the guy that got divorced and moved 29 days before the vote). Yeah, I’m not doing your research for you. Some dems in NY managed some ballot fixing, a Dem chairwoman in the south is in jail 7 counts, various cases in Houston, several more along the Texas border involving large boxes of ballots, 4 in jail in NC, etc etc. Cases where the ballot system was rigged? None. Cases where the computer system was hijacked? None. Cases, like you said where the ballots were already prepunched for a third party?
So what is your suggestion? Do you think its ok for people to bring in a piece of mail with their name on it, even when the mail does not match the address on the ballot? Thats how its done in Ohio. How easy to pull the appraisal district records, run a mail merge of the addresses, print out the address portion, stuff it into prepaid postage envelopes and register under new names online. Easy.
These people who have trouble getting a voter ID can simply call their Reps. That’s what Reps do, help constituents with stuff like this.
I have a question: why would I complain about any of that stuff?
You don’t have a clue, do you?
Here’s a hint: Philadelphia’s independent weekly reports that “the number of Pennsylvanians who might not have the photo identification necessary to vote this November has more than doubled: at least 1,636,168 registered voters, or 20 percent of Pennsylvania voters, may not have valid PennDOT-issued ID, according to new data obtained by City Paper. In Philadelphia, an enormous 437,237 people, or 43 percent of city voters, may not possess the valid PennDOT ID necessary to vote under the state’s controversial new law.”
Are you getting the picture?
Nah, I didn’t think so.
Not so fast, numbnuts, I do have a question, namely: Where’d the Philadelphia City Paper / Philadelphia Weekly come up with these obviously b*llshit figures?
And secondly: How f*cking stupid do YOU have to be to f*cking BELIEVE that b*llshit? Or do you REALIZE the figures are b*llshit, but repeat them anyway because you’re just a whore for the criminal left?
Hahaha. Obi is one funny dude. Guess all those Penn folks won’t be going to Paris or Tahiti. They are stuck on this continent because they can’t get on a commercial flight. I guess Obi and his lawyer friends will be going after the airlines next. Oh, and let’s not forget this: no attending an NAACP meeting either.
In that case, they have several months to get on the stick and obtain said IDs. And if they’re not motivated or bright enough to achieve that between now and November, their votes damned well OUGHT to be suppressed. Any way you cut it, it’s doing the country a favor.
Perhaps a silver lining here! Holder’s action probably means that Obama internal polls show PA. vote will be closer that current released polls predict. Therefore, the AG has been assigned to call out the reserves: convicted felons, illegal aliens & the dead.
Holder, get the he11 out of my state! Our government finally did something right, something everybody I know agrees with, and you are trying to screw it up so your party can continue its reputation and histroy of voter fraud. You want to punish us but you walk away from the already won obvious case of NBP voter intimidation. You are the poster boy for the Peter Principle.
In two stories about voter fraud, we are in deep problems. And why is it that people in other lands will take a day traveling, show an ID, be proud to have a finger dipped in indelible ink and we baby, infantalize and make excuses for those that don’t concern themselves enough to register in time to vote.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/25/drug-money-funds-voter-fraud-in-kentucky/
Voter fraud has a shocking new meaning in eastern Kentucky.
That is where in some cases, major cocaine and marijuana dealers admitted to buying votes to steal elections, and the result is the corruption of American democracy. The government continues to mete out justice in the scandal, as two people convicted in April in a vote-buying case face sentencing this week, and another public official pleaded guilty Tuesday to conspiracy.
“We believe that drug money did buy votes,” Kerry B. Harvey, U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Kentucky, said of a separate vote-buying case.
He described a stunning vote-buying scheme that includes “very extensive, organized criminal activity, involving hundreds of thousands of dollars, and in many cases that involves drug money.”
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/virginia-politics/2012/jul/25/tdmain01-romney-camp-asks-va-to-probe-voter-forms-ar-2081517/
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s campaign is asking Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli to launch an investigation into voter-registration forms that are being sent to Virginia residents and addressed to deceased relatives, children, family pets and others ineligible to vote.
The errant mailings from the Washington-based nonprofit group Voter Participation Center have befuddled many Virginia residents, leading to hundreds of complaints.
The organization has been mass-mailing the forms — pre-populated with key information such as names and addresses — to primarily Democratic-leaning voting blocs such as young adults, unmarried women, African-Americans and Latinos.
What effect does Voter ID Required have on fraudulent voting by individuals walking into multiple polling sites and mis-representing themselves as someone else? How much effect do these people have on the outcomes of elections?
‘Very little effect’, is the answer to both questions. A determined ‘multiple site voter’ will use fake IDs. This type of fraud can sway a small local election but not (usually) a large national/statewide election.
How does Voter ID Required affect large scale voter fraud by corruption/cheating by Election Boards, Vote Counters, Voting Machine Operators, and Vote Certifiers and Reporters? These sometimes create fictitious individuals just so they can vote for them. More often, they look at the list of voters in the precinct, scrawl a signature for those who haven’t appeared, and fill in a ballot for the person who didn’t vote. This practice has changed the outcome of many elections. AS Nixon was said to say about Kennedy, Chicago and the Illinois electoral votes, “No, no complaints or recounts. They stole it fair and square.”
After Voter ID Required is the law, simple investigation can show not only if a false personation occurred with individual voters, but IT WILL SPOTLIGHT THOSE PERSONS RESPONSIBLE FOR ID OF THE ALLEGED VOTER. This risk of legal penalty/punishment will make vote-stealing much more dangerous to the party machines because links in the chain are now weak and breakable.
If democratic voter fraud is proven in just once, one state, one election, then the voting public’s revulsion against them will remove them from office and power, and taint the motivations behind their statist ideas.
Perhaps if more people were aware of the Indiana 2008 voter fraud and forged petitions. I wish I could agree with you that people will tire of any organization that continues this. In all the cases, the higher ups are exhonerated. It is always some lowly peon that does the deed and goes to jail. Another one eagerly steps into the seat.
I was shocked when I read this transcript of Al Sharpton’s blistering interview with Eric Holder on MSNBC. Sharpton grilled the Attorney General on everything from Fast and Furious to executive privilege. Holder was squirming in his seat! http://www.thedailyrash.com/eric-holder-the-al-sharpton-interview
You got me good! I listened to the whole thing.
Please note that when a Democrat loses an election the first words out of their mouth is “Voter Fraud”. After all, how could a Democrat NOT WIN?
22. Liz – I took your bait. What a joke! Is that really an actual interview or someone making it up. I don’t know the site!
Two race hustlers getting together…..
Meanwhile, here’s former Florida governor, Charlie Crist, on the voter suppression going on in Florida (hint, he’s NOT happy about it).
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/25/charlie-crist-blasts-rick-scotts-unconscionable-voter-suppression-tactics/
Crist? The photo-IDed Florida voters threw him out of office.
The CROOKS in the White House, desperately, still have the hope to win the election by VOTE FRAUD, the same way they did in 2008 by FORGED SIGNATURES that placed Obama on the Ballot. Those thugs in the White House are the greatest GANGSTER ever in the History of the USA. They are a very dangerous criminals because they do not care about the laws of this country. They act as dictators,
that do whatever they want. Period.
Meanwhile, in Pennsylvania, Philadelphia’s independent weekly reports that “the number of Pennsylvanians who might not have the photo identification necessary to vote this November has more than doubled: at least 1,636,168 registered voters, or 20 percent of Pennsylvania voters, may not have valid PennDOT-issued ID, according to new data obtained by City Paper. In Philadelphia, an enormous 437,237 people, or 43 percent of city voters, may not possess the valid PennDOT ID necessary to vote under the state’s controversial new law.”
There’s your voter suppression, people!!
Any questions?
I didn’t think so.
Not so fast, numbnuts, I do have a question, namely: Where’d the Philadelphia City Paper / Philadelphia Weekly come up with these obviously b*llshit figures?
And secondly: How f*cking stupid do YOU have to be to f*cking BELIEVE that b*llshit? Or do you REALIZE the figures are b*llshit, but repeat it anyway because you’re just a whore for the criminal left?
I’ve already fired Eric Holder. The trouble is that not enough other people have done so. Holder has become a poison, a cancer to all of America. And there’s only one thing left to do when you got a cancer – you gotta uproot it and undo all the damage it’s done. We (350 million Americans) will survive, Eric (Obama loving, closet muslim sympathizer)will not.
Sorry to have missed the fight; We shall see you easily brainwashed tough guy, who was cheating when the vote totals Just Dont Add Up! You will probably drop your night stick you telephone tough guy when 119% of the votes are still not enough cheating to equal a victory for hugobama ?
Obama 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!