Chris Rock and a Patriot’s Grave in Virginia
Some websites consider Richard Henry Lee a president of the United States. In fact, Lee was president of the Continental Congress and actually made the motion in Congress to declare independence from Great Britain. In other words, he was the man willing to literally stick his neck out in a body still unconvinced that open rebellion was prudent.
Lee signed the Declaration of Independence and was eventually elected a senator from Virginia.
Yesterday, on July 4, I visited the odd and charming grave of Lee, tucked away in a Westmoreland County, Virginia, cornfield. It isn’t easy to find. Nevertheless, I wasn’t the only visitor. Others had left wreaths and notes of thanks. A dirt road travels through the middle of a cornfield, a field that used to comprise his family estate Burnt Fields. Suddenly the corn gives way to a small circle with the Lee family plot enclosed by a brick wall.
Richard Henry Lee grave July 4, 2012.
Lee was a Southern gentleman farmer, which to people like Chris Rock means slaveholder. Of course wiser Americans know the principles in the Declaration were so transcendent that even though it might take two centuries to fully realize, the authors of that document were revolutionaries both philosophically and politically. The human experience is now better because of those men, for blacks and whites alike.
Wow! That display kinda says it all, doesn’t it. I’m not sure this rift can ever be healed and I’m sick of trying. Can’t we give them a state and be done with it?
After the Civil War, we offered them homes in the Caribbean and Africa (they don’t care for the cold), and prepaid passage back. There were few takers. They wouldn’t go.
I guess life here wasn’t nearly as bad as all that. Even as a slave.
Before / During the Civil war 1/2 the blacks in USA were FREE, yes 2 million were free. Fact that after the Civil war a black man / con artist collected $10,000 of USD to buy votes and take HIS people home, guess what HE RAN off with the MONEY (like to joke it was Jessie Jackson’s great great grandfather)
Duke5343, I know there were plenty of free people of color at the time of the War. My great-grandmother grew up on her uncle and aunt’s farm in Richmond County, Virginia, where two intact familes of free people of color lived alongside them. I’d be grateful if you’d post a citation about the 2 million/fully half so I can use that data point.
You can probably look it up yourself, but here’s some information:
http://www.answers.com/topic/free-negroes-1619-1860
You might also want to check census records.
My understanding is that there were almost 4 million slaves and half a million free blacks in 1860.
Hi Beth. The following article, supposedly based on the census figures just before the civil war may provide you with accurate numbers. The most interesting part of the article is the large number of Free People who owned slaves!
http://suite101.com/article/the-1860-census-and-slavery-in-the-united-states-a83730
For that matter, wasn’t Liberia founded as a land for freed slaves? It should also be a haven for oppressed Black Americans like Chris Rock.
Yes – it was purchased by Thomas Jefferson and his plan to was to transport ALL black people to the territory. That is why to this day it is called America’s step child.
Abraham Lincoln was also ready to sign an order to deport the ENTIRE black population to Liberia – but he was assassinated before he signed the order.
lolly, I second your motion! In fact, I am sick to death of the race-baiting, forever aggrieved, NEVER grateful, gimme, gimme anti-white, racist separatists, and I live in Israel!
Come to think of it,they remind me of a majority of Arab citizens in Israel. They live the good life(many in very large homes too),receive free goodies galore,are NOT required to serve in national service, live better lives than most of their fellow Arabs in ANY part of the Middle East, yet NOTHING suffices. And, they continue to act as a fifth column! Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Such ingratitude can’t last forever, I’m just saying……
Who needs such ingrates, and their constant whining and incitement? Anyone?
I elucidate on this topic at my blog-www.adinakutnicki.com, just scroll down the HOME section, and you will find how I REALLY feel about this subject!
Yeah – I bet you understand what it’s like to have a bitchy 5th column in your midst, LOL! I’ve noted you website and will take a looksee! Shalom!
Chris Rock seems to have reduced his personality to 2 sides these days.
He’s either on a tear, unable to speak without every other word being F#$k or he’s saying incredibly stupid stuff about white people.
He used to be funny.
Cris is certainly being a bad boy, maybe it’s drugs, and with an already weak mind I’m sure he hasn’t hit bottom. He doesn’t have to be funny though, just nasty. That’s why he made it to the WH, he fits right in.
Marginally funny at best. Now, not funny at all.
Ever since I heard Chris Rock doing stand-up making fun of U.S. soldiers and saying that he sure as [expletive] wasn’t going to fight, I have tuned him out.
The guy was/is NEVER funny, imo. Though Rock played/ looked the part of a crackhead in, ‘New Jack City’.
Rock not only shares similar melanin with our CiC but he and the President have similar Olive Oyl-like body types!
Quite sad though considering present-day Rock is such a vocally raving, hypocritical racist.
Other than getting noticed for his mediocre tenure with SNL and the hands-down majority-White audience members in his early stand-up days, Rock was also on record saying the-late, great Rodney Dangerfield kept stand-up afloat AND thanked Dangerfield for giving him a shot.
It’s the narrow-minded ‘Progressives’ like Rock who are truly the despicable.
Later this year as continued Affirmative Action is weighed by the Courts, and if FINALLY removed – THAT’S when things will get real interesting. Especially in the low-skilled government jobs departments nationwide.
Comedic ability requires intelligence.
Many of those signers lost their fortunes in the battle for independence. Today’s race baiters in the so called civil rights community often make personal fortunes by keeping the people they claim they are helping stupid and dependent upon government handouts.
Booker T. Washington described Jesse and Al and Barack and the Rev. Jeremiah and a whole host of race baiters well over a century ago in Up From Slavery.
“There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.”
I think that quote is actually from BTW’s “My Larger Education, Being Chapters from My Experience”.
I guess Rock is ignorant of history. I was just reading this yesterday over at WR Mead’s site:
Dr. Cousins, despite her lineage, will be denounced by Chris Rock and his ilk as an “Oreo”: black on the outside, white on the inside. Count on it.
Don’t hold your breath for either Chris Rock or B.H. Obama to give sufficient credit to our Founding Fathers, since they did not free the slaves, grant women the vote, etc. They are unfortunately typical of many Americans that view all of American history solely from a 2012 perspective.
We have come a long way toward fulfilling the promise of equality of rights under the law but it has only been through a series of steps, some large, some small. We still have problems with voting rights: see, for example, Representative Rangel’s present primary battle (where some precincts apparently had zero voters), the chronic “enfranchisement” of the deceased in Chicago (Vote Early and Often), and the fact that many undocumented immigrants, felons and others who are not legally entitled to vote nevertheless are able to cast ballots to dilute the votes of those who are eligible.
So, another narcissistic racist, it’s the one in the white house we need to stay focused on because this attitude has been selectively bread into a great many people.
I will NEVER forget eating breakfast at a cafe in New Orleans the day the last beam was ceremonially draped with the flag and removed from the wreckage of the twin towers.
Watching as closely as he could get to the small television hanging in the corner a black waiter loudly and repeatedly proclaimed,”Ain’t no big thang, that’s a white man’s thang, more people than than died on the slave ships, it ain’t nothin’ to me, it’s a white man’s thang.” Never went to the cafe, or the city, again.
Isn’t it sad how hateful and ignorant people are? His own countrymen (probably at least half of them black given statistics) die and he practically dances with glee.
As for slaves dying on ships, I doubt that many died – not profitable. However, most Irish (white people) died on the trips over. So much so they were called coffin ships.
Life was hard for everyone back then and there were a lot of white people who died on ships but there were many slaves who died on them as well.
I’d check those slave ship passage statistics again. You are saying more free Irish died on a shorter crossing than africans chained together in the hold on a longer crossing?
There is a discussion of slave ship crossings in the movie “Amazing Grace.” for a first hand account, the man who wrote the song “Amazing Grace” was a former slave ship master who later repented and wrote of his experiences. I have not seen them myself, but you might be able to access his writing first hand.
New Orleans? Heh. That is to be expected. Many of us Louisianians keep our fingers crossed for another katrina.
This is just the sort of talk and attitude that makes me want to embrace other races. It really makes me want to be an all-inclusive kind of person. I feel so warm and fuzzy inside when I hear this sort of venom.
It seems like the same way that many fence-sitting white voters had to “vote for Obama to prove [they're] not racist”, blacks almost monolithically had to “vote for Obama to prove [they're] not race traitors”. And now that many of them see that Obama couldn’t give half a s*** about them, they have to become increasingly more defensive of their bad choice, because they (and many of the fence-sitting white voters as well) just have too large of an ego to admit they’ve been conned.
Obama could care less about race except to use it as a bargaining tool. He’s a Fabian and his primary concern is grabbing up as many of the resources as possible before someone (maybe Soros, maybe Islamism) closes the door on our society.
Walter E Williams is hosting Rush today. Maybe Chris Rock could listen to an older wiser black American about this great nation. Every nation on earth has within its history great and many civil rights offenses on every race and religion. We as Americans, chose to do the right thing and might I add that it was Republicans that supported the Civil Rights act in this country. Today, 99% of Americans do not support or involve themselves in racial hatred or prejudice. I just wish that we could all learn a little history and why this administration as well as others have done their darndest to hide why America is so great. Semper Fi to my comrades, and God Bless America. Hoorah!
It would help if Walter Williams called out Chris Rock for what he is, a dumb unfunny black bigot who should be boycotted forever.
Thomas Sowell would also be worth hearing from.
Then Maxine W. can deliver her critique of both, and we can all ask her questions, and perhaps even learn how stupid and guilty we are.
Oh, and would somebody in the WH press corps ask the pres about how bitter-clingers everywhere should handle this?
Thomas Sowell is great, but Walter Williams is from that generation that could tear you a new on without ever raising his voice and sound downright polite while he was at it.
It’s not just that the leaders of the museum are Obama’s personal friends.
In the museum, there is an entire gallery devoted just to Obama.
http://nvrmi.com/?page_id=8
Given that Obama is the first black man to become POTUS, I guess that was inevitable.
Sigh.
He is bi-racial.
He grew up in an extended family with NO black relatives, family or culture, other than what was fed him by his grandfather’s BBF Frank Marshal Davis. No comparison.
So much for being the first Black president.
Maybe someone will notice that some day. Ooops.
A coworker of mine, black, from Alabama said to me one day, “Why did they elect Obama? We’ll never get another black man elected president because of him.”
Hear say and opinion, but one from a man whose family has farmed in Alabama since before the Civil War. (Yes, free black ancestors who owned land. What a concept.)
Tell your bud not not put up a marxist next time. If Allen West was running I’d vote for him in a nano-second!
You know, no matter how hopelessly racist this country is, people like Chris Rock never seem to decide to go to countries where blacks have absolute power…. like Zimbabwe…
You miss the point entirely! They don’t want to leave – they want to stick it to whitey. They want to punish us and abuse us and make us THEIR slaves.
They’ve done a pretty good job of it. We work – and they don’t. They can beat and kill us with impunity. Little black kids know from a young age they can go up to a white kid and sucker punch him, tell the teacher he was called a name and the victim gets suspended – then they do this for the rest of their lives.
Yep, critical race theory, which Obama’s mentor at Harvard, Derrick Bell, created; subscribes to this theory. No matter what whitey does its not good enough because it comes from a white frame of mind. This is just dwelling on the past and instigating hate. They do not want to be judged by the content of their character . . . they simply want revenge for a social situation that they never spent one minute in. I would imagine that the freed slaves were happier at their situation than these people who have all the programs and advantages their forebears never dreamed of having. What a shame.
It seems clear that the biggest racists and bigots in America are now Blacks like Chris Rock, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Barack Obama. When 98% of Blacks voted for Obama, simply because of the color of his skin, they spit on MLK’s dream of “people being judged by the content of their character, rather than the color of their skin”. I will dream of a day when Black people will judge white people by the content of their character, rather than the color of their skin, as clearly white people now judge black people, or Obama would not now be President.
The biggest “bait and switch” in U.S. history….and maybe the world. Thanks all you dedicated, credible JOURNALISTS out there….ha, ha, he, he oh my…
This little piece of s**t would likely have been boiled and eaten already, if his ancestors hadn’t been sold by, Blacks/Muslims, to an American. I for one, have become more racist in 3 years, than my previous 59, and would love the opportunity to ‘don the Confederate Gray’ if given a chance today.
Vaughn – to be historically accurate, the strong, militant tribes in Africa (yes, predominantly muslims) rounded up the weaker, less militant tribes and sold them to the Spanish and the Portuguese who then brought them to the West Indies and the Americas. The Portuguese were without doubt the major players in the slave trade.
The agrarian southern (U.S.) economy was dependent on manual labor and especially so after Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin and King Cotton became the cash crop of the Americas surpassing even tobacco and sugar. The federal government outlawed the importation of slaves into the United States in 1808 (I bet less than 25% of Americans know that), but slave-holding plantation owners had prepared for that eventuality by purchasing both male and female slaves and creating their very own self-perpetuating work forces.
Well, we had the Missouri Compromise in 1821 and then fought a civil war over slavery (Yeah, yeah state’s rights….I get it, state’s rights to own slaves to continue building wealth) that resulted in over 600,000 dead Americans.
What infuriates me at times is just how much this – grit my teeth – “individual” tries to wreck the progress that took almost two hundred years to build, on purpose, for his personal political gain. Disgusting, dishonorable and wretched. He and holder have done more to damage race relations in this country in the last three years than the klan did in the last 100 years. The klan is a joke nowadays; white people don’t give a crap what they have to say….but Obama and Holder are dangerous – their shallow, closed minds can enact laws and back up their hate with the power of the federal government and a lapdog media.
Ant the pity is that Mr Obama ancestry isn’t even fron African Slaves. Unless, of course, Barak Obama Sr wasn’t his father.
I can’t be bothered to be outraged by somebody as small-minded and stupid as Chris Rock talk about men as great as the Founding Fathers.
Rock apparently too stupid to realize that:
- Like most “African-Americans”, he is probably between 25 and 50% of European descent.
- Slavery was ended with the Civil War which left more than 625,000 American men dead, nearly all of them White.
- Virtually all of us, Black and White, are descended from slaves and slave-owners.
- Slavery was an institution that predated European colonialism by centuries.
- European slave-traders rarely if ever captured Africans in Africa for slaves. The thought of Portuguese sailors chasing African tribesmen through the jungles and plains of Sub-Saharan Africa is laughable. They simply bought their slaves from local chiefs or slaves traders.
Actually, most of us do not have ancestors that were slave owners. Very few white people actually owned slaves. A lot of those families have died out. Plus, the biggest slave owners were other blacks. Even Indians owned slaves.
Also, don’t forget that huge numbers of white people didn’t even come to this country until well after the civil war was ended thru the first four decades of the 20th century.
So this insistance on treating all white people as slaveholders is not only a lie it’s dishonest and downright racist.
I KNOW my family never owned slaves and I’m getting sick of certain black people that I know treating me like I was just forced to release Kissy (reference to Roots) into the wild.
A good point! What about the white Yankees who came south and fought, bled and died to free the salves? Are they hated as much as the southern people?
The answer is Yes, blacks hate white people it has nothing to do with slavery and everything to do with revenge, and the desire to own white people and make them pay. doesn’t matter if your people came here in the years before the war or after your still gonna be hated by blacks, they are raised in race hatred for whites from birth and it never lets up.
Remember Die Hard with a vengeance? Sam Jackson’s rant to his kids about white people? That’s closer to the truth than anyone realizes.
With Obama they see the chance for America’s killing fields become true and the fields will be filled with Whites, Asians, Latino’s and Hispanics.
Blacks do not care if 625,000 whites died so they can be free.
WRONG – ALL of us have ancestors who were slave owners.
2,000 years ago there were more slaves than Roman citizens in Italy. The situation was no different in Spain, Gaul, North Africa, or the Middle East. Slavery was everywhere.
400 years later Saint Patrick was a Romanized Briton abducted by Irish pirates and set to work as a farm slave – not an uncommon occurrence. Only after his escape and subsequent education did he return to Ireland as a missionary. Unfortunately, their conversion made the Irish more tame and easy prey for the Vikings – who captured large numbers of Irish and sold them in the Middle East and Byzantine slave markets. The port of Dublin was built by Vikings to ship out Irish slaves.
In Russia, slavery was a common practice until 1723, when Peter the Great converted them to serfs. It is debatable whether Medieval serfdom was any better than slavery.
If you are White, or Black, or Latino, some of your ancestors were slaves and some were slave owners.
You don’t KNOW that. People could come from a looooong line of poorassed serfs who never got a leg up in life until someone decided to sell themselves for 7 years and hop on a ship to the new world.
Not statistically impossible but very very improbable. Over the past 100 generations / 2000 years there were just too many slaves and too many slave owners – and they often bred with each other.
Southern European serfs were the former Roman Middle Class. (They were herded into serfdom to prevent them from running away or selling themselves into slavery to escape crushing taxes – slaves weren’t taxed) In earlier more prosperous generations, Roman artisans and small farmers often owned a few slaves themselves.
But Lolly, serfs couldn’t just up and light out for the New World. They were still considered property of their Lords. Remember the droit du seigneur. No man would allow that if he wasn’t quite aware he’d get his head beat in by his Lord’s servants should he object. I believe they could buy themselves providing they were able to earn money on the side, but serfdom was very like slavery.
This entire exhibit is a travesty & should be taken down. Only O’s minions & other race baiters & people that hate whites would want it up.
A very sad commentary on our current crooks in DC & the PC public.
The Left used to constantly reference Crispus Attucks, a black man killed in the Boston Massacre, as a way of ensuring that black Americans remained connected to American history and patriotic feeling. I guess that’s, well, gone with the wind.
The slavery-obsessed Left has obscured the facts that there were white slaves as well as black during the colonial period; that there were free blacks during the colonial period and after independence; that there were also black slaveowners, though not many; that importation of slaves into the United States ceased in 1808, the earliest date the Constitution permitted, which means that the United States under its current governing document was involved in the transatlantic slave trade for only 18 years—only 25, if you go back to the Treaty of Paris in 1787.
Yes – and within the lifetime of a man we went to war to settle the matter once and for all.
Also, I’ll have to disagree with you that there were few black slave holders – they were numverous and held the largest numbers of slaves. Collectively more than white people.
Also, what a lot of people don’t realize that the first court case making a man a slave originated with Anthony Johnson – a black man who had himself been an indentured servant. After gaining his freedom he was able to purchase land and had himself an indentured servant – a black man by the name of John Casor – except when it was time to release John, Anthony contested it and the court agreed with him and John Casor became the first slave in Colonial America.
You are completely misinformed to assert that blacks in this country owned more slaves than did whites. How could you possibly believe that? Did a few blacks and Indians own slaves? Yes. But to claim that they were the predominant slave-holders is absurd. It’s like saying that Massachusetts had more slaves than Alabama did, because early on, there were slaves in Massachusetts. Your next move should be to assert that MANY blacks fought on the side of the South. Yes, a few did, or accompanied their master or his son to serve him in the War. It is amazing how apologists for slavery can grasp at some wisp of truth and try to expand it into the “if you only knew” truth. Why is that?
Reading comprehension is one of your weak points, I see.
I’m not an apologist, I’m a realist. It is what it is.
http://theodessafiles.wordpress.com/category/censored-history/
Your cited source is not reliable, and even if it were it does not refute Dwight’s point. No one seriously questions that whites owned more slaves than blacks, except for the guy with all the pins in his face at the top of the website you linked.
Lolly, this is one where the truth is good enough. There were something around 15 million whites in the slave-holding states, something around 11 million in the states that actually seceded. There were about 3 million slaves in the seceding states, some hundreds of thousands in the slave-holding states that remained in the Union, and some hundreds of thousands free Blacks in the non-slaveholding states and territories.
From settlement until Bacon’s Rebellion slavery/indenture for life was quite rare in the Colonies. The combination of the susceptibility to disease of northern Europeans working in the tidewater long staple cotton, indigo, and rice plantations and the insecurity of indentured white labor after Bacon’s Rebellion led life indenture of mostly Africans to become the preferred form of labor in the Tidewater South and the coastal plain, the only part of the South that was much inhabited at the time of the Revolution. At the founding there were only about a half-million slaves and slave agriculture was thought dying on the vine as the Tidewater and coastal plain lands were wearing out.
In 1793, a young Yale educated tutor working on Gen. Nathaniel Greene’s plantation outside Savannah, GA invented a device to easily remove the lint from short-staple upland cotton and King Cotton was crowned with the cotton gin as his sceptre. Cotton agriculture rapidly spread westward from the tidewater into the coastal plains and then piedmont areas of The South and into the bottom lands along the Mississippi and on into Texas as each area became a part of the US. Importation ended (mostly)in 1808 and natural increase, and yes there was selective breeding, accounted for the fact that by 1860 there were over 3 million black slaves. The tidewater plantations with their worn out land became essentially slave farms for the burgeoning slave trade providing labor for the upland and westward cotton farming boom. The Southern mytholgists love to give an aura of permanence to the antebellum culture of white columned mansions and docile happy slaves but to the extent that Tara existed at all, there was a log cabin nearby where old Gerald O’Hara or his father started out in the late ’90s or ’00s to clear the land and start his cotton plantation in the piedmont. By the time of the Civil War those piedmont plantations were badly worn and often just allowed to default for taxes where they were bought up by the “po whites” of The South as the cotton planters moved west like locusts. To the extent that the “Home Place” remained in family hands as a matter of tradition and social status, the sons had to move west, sometimes with family money or connections, sometimes on their own as settlers. There you find the proximate cause of The War; the planters and their Yankee and English bankers needed a constant source of new, cheap land because cotton destroyed the soil in a matter of only a few years. Far from the image of Tara, this agriculture like any transient activity built only temporary and often ramshackle facilities and treated the slave labor just well enough to keep them working. Just as a British proscription of taking land west of the Appalachians led directly to the Revolution, Northern attempts to proscribe slavery in the territories led directly to civil war.
Yes, free blacks owned slaves, but there were only a few thousand free blacks in the slave-holding states, some were fairly wealthy and owned a lot of slaves but the numbers are a miniscule proportion of the total number of slaves in the slave-holding states. Some Indians likewise owned slaves, the Indian Territory, now Oklahoma mostly, was good cotton growing land. Stand Watie, a full-blooded Cherokee, was both a large plantation owner and a slave holder. He was a leader in having the Indian Territory repudiate its treaties with the US and ally with the Confederacy. Watie, a brigadier general in the Confederate Army surrendered the last CS field unit. The fact is that about 10% of Southern whites owned slaves, most only a family or two. The vast majority of slaves were owned by the less than 50 very large plantation owners or the commercial cotton farming enterprises that swept across The South after the invention of the cotton gin and the acquistion of the Louisiana Purchase lands and the accretion of Texas.
This isn’t cited but it is easily verifiable from census records and reliable sources. Genovese’s Time on the Cross is a good place to start but there are many other reputable survey level books on the “peculiar institution.”
I wonder if Jerry Seinfeld and Rock’s other comedian buddies who worked with him back in the day when they were all struggling comics (many of whom are white) realize their good old pal Chris is a racist who more than likely despises their very existence.
The racist black left is always willing to offer dispensations to those who say the right thing and kiss the right asses.
We need a new narrative. Here is what I propose in response to the blot on American history that slavery has imposed.
“Slavery was wrong, it is a sin, and it is a blot on American History. Our nation paid a terrible price for that sin.
360,000 men from the North paid with their blood in order to end slavery in the south, including over 36,000 negro union troops. The North paid with its entire treasury to destroy the institutions of slavery.
258,000 men from the South paid for the sins of the South with their blood.
The entire South paid dearly in destroyed cities, factories, homes, and fortunes. The source of the hateful practice of slavery was utterly destroyed.”
http://www.civilwarhome.com/casualties.htm
If necessary, we can lengthen the narrative to include the Democratic party actions afte the war to keep the former slaves in subordinate positions (Jim Crow laws, KKK, refusal to issue gun permits, etc.)
It’s 2012. There is no guilt I am aware of that travels through time and into my body. As for culture, it was never a part of anyone in my family, and even if it was, we obviously only take credit today for those parts of a culture we uphold, which is usually the good part, although cultural weakness can certainly travel a long way. However neither slavery or Jim Crow were ever part of the fabric of larger America culture, and how many tens of millions arrived after the Civil War to settle in America?
In short, Chris Rock and the entirety of the black political Left can go screw themselves. I am not fazed by their smug expressions, complaints, blame, excuses and declarations of innocence by default. I despise the way they in fact do believe guilt travels by skin across decades of time but not to the street corner where they live. They are idiots and the last bastion of institutionalized racism in mainstream American life.
“I am not fazed by their smug expressions, complaints, blame, excuses and declarations of innocence by default.”
The problem is that many others in our nation ARE fazed, and don’t know how to respond. The guilt association works, or we wouldn’t see so much of it. Out of guilt or intimidation the victims then agree with or are at least compliant with policies, preferences and laws which are causing our nation all sorts of problems.
Our fellow citizens need something to respond with, because the opportunists will not stop until their tactics become ineffective.
There is no cure for stupidity and if some people find simple comparisons like goose/gander an impenetrable Gordian Knot or if applying one principle fairly regardless of skin a problem that amounts to retardation what can I do?
What about the sins of the Northerners who practiced slavery and apartheid (northern states invented the “Black Codes”)? What about the sins of the Northern slave traders? What about the sins of the federal soldiers who committed atrocities against Southern civilians?
And speaking of Democratic Party actions after the War, what about the sins of the Northern carpetbaggers who disenfranchised white voters in order to elect state legislatures that looted the South?
You’re not proposing a new narrative; you’re actually perpetuating the same blame-the-victim game. My non-slaveholding Confederate ancestor fought not for slavery, but to defend his home. He and his family ended up war refuges. You Northerners could have offered the same compensated emancipation deal for the minority of Southerners who did hold slaves as you cut yourselves. You did the freed black slaves no favors by using Reconstruction for looting, punishment and thought crime control.
Oh get over it! You shouldn’t have killed Lincoln – he was the best friend the South could have had because HE didn’t WANT revenge. He wanted the South back into the American family. After Lincoln’s death you got people who wanted revenge for the trouble the south caused everybody.
Also, the north did NOT engage in slavery. It was made illegal there very early and as soon as they legally could they made even the importation by ship illegal. They may not have wanted blacks there (shoot – they didn’t even want the Irish there) but they were not engaged in the spite you are accusing them of.
And the so-called carpetbaggers where actually the aquivelent of you liberal do-gooders who went there to “help.” We all know what happens when liberals to to “help” someone.
Lord, lolly, you need some schooling in US History! First, The South and Southerners didn’t kill Lincoln, John Wilkes Booth and his co-conspirators did. The US would have just loved to implicate Judah Benjamin and the CS Government but they couldn’t.
No slave ship ever flew a Confederate flag and a lot flew US flags before the end of importation in 1808, and some afterwards as well. One of the causes of contention between the US and England was English interference with US flagged slave ships, very few of which were Southern owned or home-ported; look to our New England friends for the builders and owners of ships in the slave trade. As the Civil War made graphically clear, The South had almost no ship-building capacity or maritime trdition.
There was little banking in The South and the Southern slave-owning planters relied on Northern or English banking to finance their slave acquisitions and to finance their slave based agriculture. While the history books look at the cotton trade with England and France, much of The South’s cotton trade was with the growing US textile industry and one of the major sources of contention was disparities in price caused by US tariffs to protect that and other manufacturing industries which brought on retaliatory English trade practices and tariffs. There was a reason the first objectives of US conquest of The South was the vital cotton lands and shipping route of the Mississippi River and the Port of New Orleans. Many US officers went to Louisiana a poor military man and left a millionaire, see, e.g., General “Spoons” Butler and his brother. One of the reasons the slave reparations types are after Northern banks and insurance companies is, first, they, unlike the descendents of the Southern slave owners, still have money, money made a long time ago in trade with the slaveholding South.
Wow, collective guilt! Just like the collective guilt Chris Rock pushes. Actually, John Wilkes Booth tried to escape through the Northern Neck and then across the Rappahannock, and people turned him away. Last fall, one of my down home cousins showed me a couple of houses where he was turned away.
Some friend Lincoln was, laughing at Sherman’s reports of burning people’s houses, stealing all their food and killing all their stock. You know, Sherman, who with Sheridan (who did the same thing in the Shenandoah Valley), used Southerners for target practice before turning on the Plains Indians? “The only good Indian is a dead Indian” — that Sherman?
Assassinating Lincoln was a stupid act by a megalomaniac. It doesn’t excuse the revenge taken for that stupid act, nor the war crimes Lincoln authorized and reveled in before that stupid act. I don’t condone Lincoln’s assassination. I will note that he, unlike many of his victims, was a combatant (as Commander in Chief).
You might want to look up the history of anti-Jim Crow laws in states like MN and Wisc. that predate the 20th century and continued to be strengthened for decades afterwards.
Beth, there isn’t one of us posting on this website today who was around then. You keep saying, you northerners did this and didn’t do that. I beg your pardon. Please look at my first sentence. You sound as overboard as Chris Rock.
I refuse to be guilted into anything that happened back in the 17 and 1800s. That’s crazy. You’re simply one of those southerners who still can’t get over the idea that northerners are damyankees.
So the North won the war and African’s freed which brings us to where we are today. What did the North win? Jesse Jackson, Rodney King, Al Sharpton, The Black Panther party, the LA riots, Harlem riots and Barack Hussein Obama who actually is less black than Chris Rock and according to the Black power structure knows zilch about black American’s. Obama’s black experience was not the same as the every day black.
His Black ancestors were never kept as Slaves in America they may have been slaves in Africa though.
I will also say in defense of those persons who claim that the legacy of slavery still affects the African-American community, they have a point.
I strongly urge everyone to read “Uncle Tom’s Cabin.” It is the book that provided the moral force for the North to demand an end to slavery. It is far better and more powerful than I ever imagined. It took effort to put it down each night. It paints a picture of the impact on slave families that I contend is important to understand, even today.
Uncle Tom’s Cabin is a powerful work of fiction, but it is fiction.
Today, Eliza is not fleeing across the ice floes of the Ohio River, hounds yapping at her heels, to reach freedom. Today, Eliza is living on food stamps in public housing with children by several different fathers.
Other than the fact there are in fact black people in America, there is no legacy of slavery that affects a black child born today. That is bunk. The issue always was, not simple racism, but institutionalized, legal slavery and segregation.
No one after the Civil War was denied rights because of racist post cards, and lingering stares. People will always hate others because of their race – and lacking one-sided institutions, that could be a black guy as well as white.
Blacks were legally denied rights. Those institutions are gone. The only legacy of slavery is the one black Americans choose to keep alive in their own heads for purposes of pointing fingers.
Buzzsaw, Fail,
Just read it. I know it’s fiction. It wouldn’t be possible to have a non-fiction account. Read it and consider how thoroughly the southern institution of slavery devastated the slave families. They weren’t just personally enslaved, their families were ripped apart unpredictably and with appalling and tragic regularlity. This occurred for decades. Decades.
Now consider our modern day. In my opinion the most awful obstacle facing African-Americans is the weakness of the family culture. Absent fathers, drugs, gangs, and imprisoned young men are devastating that culture. The destruction of the family is the enduring aspect of the slave years which continues to leave a negative legacy up to today. I don’t think that unequal justice, or affirmative action are the answers. After reading Uncle Tom’s Cabin however, I feel like I undestand a little bit when people speak of the legacy of slavery, and I am not so quick to dismiss it.
I will have to disagree with you.
Someone recently—I forget whom—was attacked for pointing out that for all the oppressions slaves endured, black families were stronger under slavery than they are today.
But that is an argument open to all manner of disagreement based upon variant readings of documents in many cases well over 150 years old—so let’s set it aside. What we do well know is that the black family was stronger a mere fifty years ago than it is today, and that absent fathers, drug use, and gangsterism, while certainly present half a century past, have increased dramatically in recent years, when slavery has been but something reflexively invoked by semi-literate demagogues. Put down Uncle Tom’s Cabin and read some of the predictions by Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who saw this disaster coming upon us through a runaway welfare state.
Buzzsaw,
I do agree that black families were stronger 50 years ago. Actually, so were white families.
I also agree that the welfare state is a sick trick played upon the black community by the same party that instituted Jim Crow laws, “separate but equal”, and whose members filled the KKK. (The welfare state trick is now being played upon other races, and whites, in order for opportunists to continue to gather more power, but that is another issue.)
If however we want to engage with the black community, and communicate our view that the welfare state is another continuation of the assault on black families, we might want to have a better response to the legacy of slavery question. “Just get over it” isn’t working.
You say, “If however we want to engage with the black community, and communicate our view that the welfare state is another continuation of the assault on black families, we might want to have a better response to the legacy of slavery question. “Just get over it” isn’t working.”
Your mistake lies in seeking to “engage with the black community.” The solution is to ignore race entirely—save to recognize that while the welfare policies of the last half century have damaged the entire society, they damaged blacks first and worst because the black community had fewer resources and less far to fall to reach bottom.
The “safety net” we have built up is a recipe for dependence which must be scrapped in its entirety. Maybe it’s time to start thinking of social programs as a trampoline instead; something you can bounce back up with when you’re knocked down instead of something that too closely resembles a hammock.
The policies must be changed, in total disregard of cries of “racism.” Reward better behavior instead of subsidizing indolence and crime.
I’m snickering. Go read your own liberals’ writing.
First off, there were black plantation owners, who owned black slaves. Guess who wasn’t all about brothers in color? Raa-cist— if you’re talking about people griping about slaves’ work ethics.
Second, LBJ instituted his policies- one of them being “the man check” where social workers would make surprise visits to single mothers’ houses to make sure there wasn’t a man sleeping in her bed at night. I read about it in Studs Terkel. Since he’s got a habit of bending facts, I rechecked it elsewhere. Yep. Bed- checks. So common-law apouses- which were common in Texas, at least- were driven apart by taking advantage of welfare and food stamps. They sent agents out into the field to recruit families onto state benefits, then they’d change the rules to get the men out of the house. They didn’t willingly sign up for rot, destruction and decay. They were recruited by gov’t social worker agents. Those “SNAP parties” being made fun of on PJLifestyle? Have a long, old, distinguished pedigree.
Even in elephants (really- it’s in the NYT) and upper-class liberal enclaves- get rid of the dad, grow drug addicts and thugs.
In the 1960′s under JFK and then under LBJ and the Great Society welfare state, blacks were encouraged to move out of the South and into the northern cities, where they expected to find a better life. They did move in a “great migration” and wound up in the only places available to them – the slums – without jobs and without community, living in vast government housing complexes, owning nothing. Their children and their children’s children have grown up in those welfare state “projects” and they know nothing else. They are creatures of a socialist state. The socialist state wants you too, and is doing all it can to sweep as many hapless characters, citizens and non-citizens alike, into its maw. If you want to see the future of America as a socialist state, then look no farther than the black ghettos of the northern cities. There you find the kind of citizen that is compatible with the socialist state.
What legacy of slavery in 2012? What is the mechanism? And there were 4 million slaves in the South in 1860, 775,000 free blacks in the North. Are black folks today checking their ancestry before expressing their faux outrage? No. That’s because they don’t care, because it’s bunk. Some people, some cultures, hug grief to their breasts for reasons I don’t entirely understand, but they certainly do it – it’s like a badge of honor. A moral pulpit occupying the high ground that makes them seem better, more just, more moral. Screw ‘em.
America was founded by white people for white people, Chris Rock should know this, but unfortunately he probably went to “public schools” and basic information like history is not taught in public schools, because liberals don’t like history or truth, or at least they want to change history and facts.
It is okay
What is wrong with a country for white people, by white people, other people don’t have to live here.
Chris Rock should be thankful to white people and to slave owners for bringing Negroes to America. If there had not been slaves in the US, I doubt there would have been Negroes here.
So actually Negroes should be celebrating slavery, since it was the fact that slavery existed that brought negroes to America.
Maybe, or maybe not Negroes would have made it to America by themselves, who knows.
I do know Negroes are from Africa where slavery still exists today.
Negroes sold negroes as slaves then and they still do it now, why is Chris Rock so concerned about something he knows nothing about.
it simply sounds like he just wants to blame white people for something only he thinks is a problem. A problem actually created by negroes.
Yes. “…to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity…” Preamble to the constitution.
And what’s more insulting than having some RICH black guy – who got rich in whiteyville – whining about the country that allowed him the opportunity to get rich DESPITE his color. Oprah Winfrey is one of the richest women in the world and she’s pretty much the same cut as Rock.
What’s galling is they got rich because white people liked the product they were selling. They didn’t get rich by guilt ridden white liberals – they got rich becuae of regular Joe’s who like them and didn’t give a squat about their color.
I’d like to see they fill an audience THESE days now that their true “colors” have been revealed.
Nice try but it’s apparent that satire isn’t your forte. You’re as good a satirist as Chris Rock is a comedian.
Just in case you are Chris Rock or you think Rock is the king of comedians: I don’t.
America was founded by white people for white people, Chris Rock should know this, but unfortunately he probably went to “public schools” and basic information like history is not taught in public schools, because liberals don’t like history or truth, or at least they want to change history and facts.
It is okay
What is wrong with a country for white people, by white people, other people don’t have to live here.
Chris Rock should be thankful to white people and to slave owners for bringing Negroes to America. If there had not been slaves in the US, I doubt there would have been Negroes here.
So actually Negroes should be celebrating slavery, since it was the fact that slavery existed that brought negroes to America.
Maybe, or maybe not Negroes would have made it to America by themselves, who knows.
I do know Negroes are from Africa where slavery still exists today.
Negroes sold negroes as slaves then and they still do it now, why is Chris Rock so concerned about something he knows nothing about.
He sounds like he just wants to blame white people for something only he thinks is a problem. A problem actually created by negroes.
Sold spine,Sir you are a racist Pig. The first people to die by British gunfire in the Boston Massacre included a Black Man. I myself am all three races. This is a country for all. My 1/2 indian Pop broke the Color barrier at his store by hiring a Black man (who was, like pop a stauch Republican.) We need not hear such tripe we need to educate and make people fo all colors free.
My acestors did not fight and die to save a “White” America but simply
America…
Oh quit your race-baiting, Maxine! There was no reason whatsoever to call that person what you did. He is also, for the most part, right. This country was founded by WASPs (White Anglo Saxon Protestants). And while we didn’t particularly like any newcomers, if they assimilated and became AMERICAN we got over it.
And you’re not the only Indian in the bunch. MOST of us (if we’ve been in the country for a few hundred years) have Indian ancestry. My family’s been here on both sides for over 300 years and I have Choctaw and Seminole. So dry up!
I should sum up by saying that the problem we are having with black people today is that don’t seem to WANT to be part of our American family. They want to be SPECIAL. We seem to have a LOT of SPECIAL people these days and were rather SICK of the SPECIAL people.
No, no, no,
Black people, and maybe people like you should be slaves, arabs for sure,
they like it, ask them free watermelon, sing all day, chuck and jive, vote for Obama, pay no taxes, lots of fun, via sambo and buckwheat.
but seriously God created slaves, when Cain killed his brother God marked him, made him a colored person, a marked person to be a slave.
don’t criticize slaves, some people actually think they are real people, oh I guess that would be others slaves.
Seriously, Solidspine? SERIOUSLY??? I thought that was supposed to be Noah’s son Ham, who laughed at his naked father passed out drunk.
As for this country supposedly being for white people by white people … IF that were so, it went by the boards in 1614, when John Rolfe married Pocahontas.
No he doesn’t mean it. He thinks he’s being satiric and he’s only being boring.
Most of black America is racist against white people. Sad. Men ought to be judged by their character not any sort of irrelevant genetic factors.
@fortibus85……the legacy of slavery holds ZERO effect over the black culture today, because there is no longer slavery. An individual will rise and fall based on his ethic and values as an individual. Check your premise.
Roark,
Ethics and values are transmitted from one generation to the next. Destroy the ethics of the father and the son will have a more difficult time finding the right path in life. Not that he can’t, but it is more difficult. Surround the son with other sons who are equally lost, and it becomes much more difficult.
Your assessment is that slavery has ZERO to do with today. Mine is that it might have something to do with some of the issues we see today. You see the world as YES/NO or 1/0. I see it as more complex. I reject opportunistic racists such as Sharpton et al, but there is an entire generation of African-Americans saying some version of the same thing (about the legacy of slavery), and not all of them are angry or racist. I’m suggesting perhaps there is something we should consider.
I reject this. After more than 40 years of affimative action (racism against white people) they are more bitter than ever before. Why is that? It’s because they are taught tobe bitter in school. They have rewritten history so that now instead of the few decades we had slavery is has grown to 350 years. Now 500 years! Soon they will be talking 1000 years of whites owning blacks – it’s a lie and the lie grows ever larger.
Now they have entire victim degrees in college (African American Studies) so that they can create even more bitter people. Shoot, I knew a young man who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Angriest black man I’ve ever known and his major was African American studies.
Ah yes. Blacks are actually pissed at us conservatives because democrats of the 1800′s created a huge social welfare program in the south that provided housing, food, and jobs. That nasty Republican President Abraham Lincoln abolished it.
All Chris Rock does with this infantile tweet is show he has no appreciation for the opportunity this country has given him. Why give a rat’s behind what an ungrateful jerk thinks? Where would he be without people willing to spend their money on his product? He needs to be shunned. Boycott him.
my reply to his twittiness…
@chrisrock they were when we fought and died for them. you’re welcome
“It might be a good and healing thing if he were to call them to take down this divisive display, unless of course he thinks it is a good thing.”
Based on his performance to date I would say the great divider thinks it’s a great thing. Most of the signers of that document lost their fortunes and their lives to set the foundation to let Chris Rock live like he does and say what he wants. Maybe it plays well to his audience or maybe he is just an ignorant man, probably both.
I think Chris Rock could find a few African counties that are still despotic, but none that he would move to. Of course he’s an ignorant barbarian, the shame is he can spew his racism and Normal People have to remain silent. That’s the culture leftism has given us.
There has always been a segment of the population who despise others for a whatever reason. If Chris Rock had these same feelings say 6 years ago why didn’t he speak of them then? So what’s this, a sudden epiphany or perhaps he feels he can now spew his innate hatred at this point in time without retribution. His loss. What we are left with is an uneasy assumption that the majority of Blacks hold the same views as Rock. This politically sponsored race baiting will have a devastation effect on the Black community.
Any person with the slightest inclination to investigate the most minimal amount of historical information would be able to find out that:
Slavery was never a totally accepted and settled phenomena for this country. People and territories and States fought against this situation from the very beginning. And they were the people who finally won out. And it is, in my opinion, the fundamental principles of this nation and its founding, and those that held true to those principles, that guided them to finally succeed.
(Happy Independence Day to my wonderful Country).
No it was never “totally” accepted, but it was more accepted fifty years after the founding because it had become so profitable. To be fair, there was also much more vocal opposition as well, but it had become part of the fabric of southern life in a way that it was not fifty years earlier. At about this time, one became a traitor to the South to question slavery.
It probably was an odd, but oh so deadly historical quirk to have the confluence of the industrial revolution which, after the cotton gin and the power loom could produce millions of yards of cotton cloth and was ready to PAY for the raw cotton. There may have been a few cultural differences between Northerners and Southerners, but this whole affair shows to me how geography and economics can create a whole subculture in a generation or three. If cotton had been King in New England, our history might have been quite different. Our pocketbooks usually trump our morality, which is not to say that we cannot be generous, but we are generous AFTER we have taken care of ourselves and our families.
For all to many blacks in America every day is angry black dependence day.
Hmm….let me see, I can’t remember……what year was it that Chris Rock was freed from slavery??? Oh, wait…..
The Race Card is the most rapid-fire, all purpose, over used and abused, ad hominem and vapid weapon of smear, mass deception, diversion and greed ever conceived by man. It is a weapon under which the most feeble minds are servilely crouched and can be played with the greatest of ease by even the most reason and integrity challenged, and in fact, was designed especially for use by them. It is void of justice. It is void of liberty. It needs no footing in rationality. It is, in plain and clear fact, similar to a lynching. At times it is the last refuge of scoundrels and at other times the first as they attempt to murder freedom of speech. It has no expiration date. It doesn’t even appear to have a half life. There are those who theorize that it may continue to exist indefinitely in some form even after time itself has come to an end.
Get out of my country you black shoe shine basement coon.
I see David Duke is trying out his new Groucho glasses.
Really, I thought it was that second-rate troll doing his Bull Connor act.
Joe Citizen = Moby troll.
Well he just made my list of turd that I wont ever see their movies.
the list is getting longer and longer but the best part is the movies are getting worse n worse so its a win for me.
Me likewise. I have become strangely impatient of late, with all these personalities who have apparently depended upon their wide appeal to the American public, suddenly deciding that it is perfectly OK as part of their celeb appeal to slap at least a half or more of their actual or potential audience in the face with opinions like his.
I’ll boycott Chris Rock’s ilk without a second thought. As you pointed out – most of the movies released lately suck anyway.
And I have my own little list. Not so little any more, actually -
http://www.ncobrief.com/index.php/archives/off-the-island/
It’s so great to hear another comedian slap America in the face. He gets away with it probably because he’s a comedian and he’s black. When I hear someone like Rock pontificate i go and read Mr. Thomas Sowell and Mr. Walter Williams thoughts and listen to Mr. Larry Elder. These three men should be at the top of the list when discussing being black in America. They give refreshing perspective instead of the same old same old, if you know what i mean.
nobody alive now knows anybody who was a slave. probably nobody alive now ever knew anybody who ever knew a slave. this isn’t about race. its about handouts. the left has always rewarded these race baiters like jackson and sharpton by giving them $$$. now they have elected a complete unknown who has done a very good job of depleting our country’s wealth and stirring up racial hatred. hatred fires that could have well been extinguished by now if he had been so inclined. whatever deaths and destruction that follows belong nowhere else but on his head. the difference between now and the 60′s when they rioted and got rewarded for it, is that this time we the people are ready for them, and sick and tired of it. we the people will take no more. the only reward rioting and murder will get them this time is hard time, for the lucky ones.
Russell Baker, the former NYT columnist, who is still alive, describes in his memoir Growing Up a neighbor in Virginia who was “born in slavery.” She was, to that small community, a connection to history.
There are probably a number of people still alive who knew James Thurber. Thurber writes of his grandfather, who was a Civil War veteran. Whether Thurber also knew any former slaves I cannot say, but it was possible; both black and white people from the Civil War era survived into the 1930s.
Ralph Ellison, in his book Invisible Man, set in the mid-late Thirties, describes an eviction of an old black couple; the husband was eighty-something, which would have put him in his mid-teens at the end of the Civil War.
As Faulkner said, the past is not dead; it is not even past. Edgardo Mortara, kidnapped from his Jewish family by the papal Inquisition in Bologna in the 1850s because he had been secretly baptized, lived to see the Nazis occupy Belgium when he died in 1943. That’s quite a span of life and events.
That said, such spans of life and events are rare; personal acquaintance with people who have experienced such spans rarer still; people personally acquainted with someone who has lived such a span who actually learned from that other person’s experience are almost nonexistent. You are quite correct in saying that the race hustling of the present day is all about payoffs in the here and now—indeed, one may say that such race hustling is all about the payoffs is directly proportional to the number of times the hustler in question makes an appeal to “slavery time.”
I knew my g/grandmother, who died when I was four or five, and heard her stories, though I remember little of what I got directly from her. The family owned a family of slaves. She was a girl of six when her father, my gg/grandfather, was KIA at The Crater in July of ’64 and then Sherman’s troops came calling in November of ’64. All the slaves save one young boy ran away to follow Sherman’s troops. While Sherman cut the bridges over the Ogeechee River and left the black camp followers to the CS cavalry, the slave family never returned. The one young boy stayed with the family until my gg/grandmother’s death long after The War and left never to be seen or heard from again on the night of her death. So, many of us from old Southern families knew someone who knew slaves, though they are long gone now.
The Declaration of Independence signed by wealthy white men.”
Would Chris Rock sign that document today? If not, why not?
probably called him out as an uncle tom or something because, let’s face it, chris rock had to kiss a whole lot of ass and peddle both ends day in and day out and twice on sundays just to get to be the piss-poor excuse of a comic he is today, because he is definitely NOT funny, can’t tell a joke, has no expression, no timing, no flair, no wit, personality, no nothing, even his would-be big smart mouth is b o r i n g.
The thing about blacks that is most noticable, is that their claims of being put down and discrimated against is not confined to just America.
This is what they tell the WHOLE WORLD! For them, every single country on this planet is ‘against them’. I don’t think they truly believe it, but the race card sure does come in handy for ‘special’ handouts of freebees. They have become quite cagy that way.
As a people, they need to realise that standing on your own two feet is what is required of all able bodied people. They don’t get a free pass because they can ‘use’ their skin color for being exempt.
To use the race card is nothing more than begging their doom to come to them, while blaming everyone else that it arrived.
It is time the blacks of this world took the necessary steps to remove the rabid racism from their midst. It holds them back more than it advances any cause they wish to develop.
And it is time for the rest of the world to grow up enough and enforce the blacks to start standing on their own two feet, without all the false whining.
Who today, is not sick and tired of listening to all their moans and groans?
You know, you have a good point there. People in Haiti and most African countries depend on handouts from the western world. I read a British paper and they have stories were (this should sound familiar) so much of their money is wasted down the charity hole that every single person in some African village gets 7500 pounds a month (that’s 15,000 a month in dollars). People in their own country don’t get anywhere NEAR that kind of money and they are just THROWING it Africans who can’t seem to dig their own well.
“…every single person in some African village gets 7500 pounds a month (that’s 15,000 a month in dollars).” $180,000 a year for every man woman and child?
Sorry, gotta throw the b.s. flag on this one. If you have a link that purports to show more blacks owned slaves than white, you ought to have a link for this one. Source please.
As for Haiti, over 100 normal everyday people from my church in La Mesa, CA have visited Haiti and personally served there over the last two years. Our church has funded a clinic (built by local workers) and hired a local doctor and a local nurse to provide health care for the parishioners there. Our church has also funded renovation of a daycare. These are humble facilities by our standards. Personal accounts and video reports from people I see on a weekly basis attest to the fact that Haiti is _still_ devastated and unbelievably impoverished. The need is so great that our church is in a long term partnership with a Haitian church, in order to make a long term impact as part of a systemic plan for a small community, rather than just randomly throwing our charity into various sinkholes.
The irony implicit in all of this is that Rock and his ilk are falling all over themselves to applaud and approve a tyranny that will make the worst excesses of America’s slave holding past look like church picnic.
People need to wake up and smell the killing fields that inhabit the imaginations of those who occupy the White House today.
When in Westmoreland County visiting the grave of Richard Henry Lee, stop also at the nearby site of Nomini Hall and speak a word of kindness for Robert “Councillor” Carter, who voluntarily emancipated his nearly 500 slaves *and* provided for their education and start in a free life. In the 1780s. (Good read, and about the only read, on Councillor Carter, “The First Emancipator”). Thank him for being so cool, and enjoy the fireworks.
Washington had a GREAT way of freeing his slaves. At the time of his presidency, the capital was in New York. New York had a law that if a slave was in their state more than 90 (or 120) days they were, by law, free. Washington used to take entire families with him to staff the his residence in New York. The time would pass and by law he had to free them. So he would educate them and teach them a trade and them give them the tools of their trade and release them with a stipend to start themselves out in their new life. Well, he’d need more staff after that so he would send for another intact family. And so on and so on.
The same stipulation was to be carried out upon his wife’s death. All his slaves (he always hated slavery but figured that since it was the law of the land he’d buy as many as he could and give them a GOOD and well provided life. The slaves quarter on his estate (right next to his house) were large roomy brick homes with large windows that actually had glass when they were used) were to be educated, taught a trade and given the tools of their trade and given a stipend to start their new lives.
He comes out smelling pretty good historically speaking.
Non-whites yelling “RACISM!” is like a 16 year old teen yelling, “YOU DON’T LOVE ME!” when they want to pick up a date in your new car, and there’s a blizzard raging outside in a -20 night. Thousands of dollars of damage later (yes, that actually happened) haul out the sure winner ‘nuclear trump card’ epithet to separate da man from yet another few $$$…and at some point one must simply shrug and turn a deaf ear.
Chris Rock spits on the majority of citizens who’ve made him rich. Let him make his money off ‘his people’ from July 4 2012 FORWARD.
FREE AT LAST!
I am glad to see references to Thomas Sowell, Walter Willians and Larry Elder. These outstanding gentlemen, who are among the most intelligent and articulate commentators on the current state of our nation, the economy and politics.
chrissy gets now is telling jokes about whitey at the white house for queen barry
Washed up has-beens like Chris Rock always think they have to say something controversial just to get their names in the papers again. Oscar Wilde once said, “The only thing worse than being talked about is NOT being talked about.” Well, nobody has been saying much about Chris Rock these days, so I guess he figured he had to say something stupid just to get people to pay attention again. Big miss when you do that at the expense of the country.
But what jerks like Rock and far left liberals like him always never quite get is that they always, always, judge people from 1776 by 21st century standards, and that is SO very wrong. The Founding Fathers were not only men of honor, but advanced thinkers and political philosophers way ahead of their time. The form of government they handed down to this country was light years different than anything found anywhere else on the planet, let alone Europe. In Europe, monarchs still very much ruled as they pleased, much to the disappointment of men like Louis XVI, who was beheaded during the French Revolution.
The Founding Fathers not only were champoins of liberty, but they were also very leery of a government that was too powerful, lest it take away the very rights they fought so hard to obtain. Did they have slavery? You bet they did, as did almost every other major country at that time. The difference was that many of the Founding Fathers knew that it was evil and they at least debated the issue as to whether or not to get rid of the horrid institution. In 1776, no such debates were even thought of in England, France, or any of the other European countries that badly needed slaves, especially in their many colonies. And many of the Founding Fathers were anti-slavery, spearheading a movement that would eventually lead to the abolitionist movement years later.
These were tough issues in 1776, and even harder ones to be dealt with when the Constitution was being written. But America DID have a conscience then and it was that conscience that eventually led to the Civil War. If we were a country or racists, there never would have BEEN a Civil War. A Civil War where, I might add, the bulk of the people who died trying to end slavery were white, NOT black. Yes, those very racists that idiots like Chris Rock talks about died by the thousands trying to end an institution that they found so hateful. Yes, those were very, very “selfish” people that died for this country, right Mr. Rock? At least they had the backbone to stand for something they believed in. People like Chris Rock only stand for willful ignorance and should be ignored like the misguided fools they are.
The anti-slavery movement started in England. See John Locke, Second Treatise on Civil Government, in the seventeenth century. And John Newton was very important in the anti-slavery movement in England in the eighteenth century. John Newton was a slaver who carried slaves from Africa to America in his ship. There was a terrible storm at sea, and he called on God to help him. He composed the hymn “Amazing Grace” because of this. He then ceased to participate in the slave trade and worked to end it. He became a minister, and there is a church in the City of London where he became minister, with a bas relief of him freeing a shackled slave.
The entire abolitionist movement did have its start in England, but I was talking about the movement here in the United States and how it was debated within our government. One of the first members of the abolitionist movement here in America was Benjamin Franklin. Although the abolitionist movement in colonial America was fairly limited and considered quite radical, by the mid-1770s a number of abolitionist organizations had begun to form. After Franklin returned from France in 1785, he joined and eventually became president of an abolitionist group founded a decade earlier by the Pennsylvania Quakers. The group was called the Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery and the Relief of Negroes Unlawfully Held in Bondage. Franklin was convinced that not only the slave trade, but slavery itself should be eliminated. He eventually freed the two slaves he owned.
John Adams was also a noted abolitionist and largely wrote the Massachusetts Constitution in 1780 which soon after ended slavery in Massachusetts.
At least our Founding Fathers were considering the abolition of slavery when debating the new Constitution and the subject came up repeatedly. No other government at that time was struggling with the idea of actually getting rid of slavery, or at least even considering it. Great Britain did not abolish slavery until the Slavery Abolition Act of 1833. Although the Founding Fathers failed to end slavery, northern abolitionists like Franklin did not give up and certainly did not go away. The issue would finally come to a head in 1861 with the start of the Civil War, but it was an extremely contentious issue well before then.
The Volokh Conspiracy blog did the signal service today of reprinting Frederick Douglass’s speech, “What July 4th Means to the Negro,” given 160 years ago today. We can but rue that standards of eloquence have fallen so much in the last eight-score years. Mr. Douglass had nothing but praise for the Founders, but he bemoaned and bewailed the state of American society, government, and religion of the 1850s, and indicted them for their participation in slavery.
The speech is unsettling to read, and must have been unsettling to hear for its listeners. But it is a refreshing thing to read after Mr. Rock’s Tweet.
is just another rallying call in obama’s violent race war
Chris Rock is just a little black man, this perhaps drives most of his hatred for whites. Pre civil war, small stature Blacks worked in the house and were hated as much as whites. Chris has just one main thang that he makes money with…his mouth. he has what’s known as a “loose mouth” He stopped being funny long ago and now he needs to become a Hollywood race baiter or else he’d have to actually work for a living.
It’s funny how all the liberal whites and good moral whites suddenly found out what most southern people know right off, Blacks are the biggest racist and the ones who hate the most. Obama has changed my views completely about race relations in this country.
When Rock first started off, one of his more famous riffs was explaining the difference between “black people” and “niggers”. At that point it was refreshing to hear a black man acknowledge that some of his brethren were misbehaving and that he didn’t have any excuses for them and it might be fair to call them that word.
Rock also did a documentary a few years ago discussing the concept of “good hair” among black people. There was one scene where he’s standing on the street trying to sell hair cut from a black person, and he couldn’t even give it away — it was worse than worthless, it was anathema to everyone he spoke to.
In his documentary, Rock didn’t really come down on his fellow black Americans, either for being / acting like “that word”, or for spending / wasting gazillions of dollars per year trying to get their hair to look white. He merely kept repeating that he, as a father, would be sure to let his daughters know that he thought they were beautiful, kinky hair and all. The thought crossed my mind to wonder what his wife looks like, hair-wise.
Given these two things, I think Rock has an extremely deep inferiority complex that is more and more manifesting itself in anger at Da Man. He can’t see where his melanin-enhanced cousins are changing to become better as time goes by, so it must all be the fault of white society, just as everything in his Hollywood cohort used to be the fault of George Bush.
What this means is that increasingly he will be written off and ignored, and he’ll become even more frustrated when he finds his audiences are reduced to gangstas and rappers. And despised ex-Presidents.
I have thought for quite some time now that we should offer EVERY one who wants to leave America a chunk of change if they’ll promise to take it and immigrate to another country, give up their citizenship and never, ever, return from sea to shining sea. How much of a grubstake could we offer how many million black Americans to go somewhere else for just a couple of the trillion Obama has thrown away the last three years? Maybe they could take liberals like Pelosi, Penn and Streisand with them.
Excellent idea! If these people are so unhappy with this country there are plenty they could emigrate to. Why don’t they? It would appear they just hate and want revenge. An earlier poster is right, the last three years have turned back race relations decades.
I remember him back then – and he was FUNNY! I also remember the Politically Correct show (hosted by Bill Mahar (back when HE was funny) sent him across the country during the presidential election (back in the 90s so Clinton was running) and they purposely sent this guy to every small WHITE town they could find. Seriously – it was funny. They sent him to places were he was the only black guy around. It must have had a profound effect on him (then) because when he came back he was like, “There are NO black people in this country. Oh sure, in the cities and on the coasts, but from sea to shining sea is a bunch of poorass white people!” He was really shocked.
When the million man march happened, he was there with a microphone asking them why they were marching and the answers were like, “we’re marching for the poor in this country.” And Rock would answer, ” The POOR people? Well, were are all the poor white people. Where are all the poor white trailer people?” And they’d go mumbling after that. It was funny because he was showing how hypocritical they were.
Then…..Oprah Winfrey publically chastized him for it and he came “Back and Black.” He wasn’t funny – he was just another angry black man.
– ‘Rock Obama.
If there were any justice in the world today this little turd along with his “rich” black cronies would be transported back in time to 40′s Germany in a cattle car. His skin whitened for the trip and a yellow star on his chest for good measure.
What a disgusting troll.
I am going to heve to agree with the Honorable Reverand Wright. With one exception, in that “I am sick and tired of negros, that ARE down with the struggle” But I wholly agree with his statement that” Hillery Clinton has never been called a nigger”. And of course I agree that. .” Bill Clinton did US ,just like he did Monica Lewinski, He was riding dirty”. Ah the Rev.Wright a perfect example of Afrocentric reasoning. And cordiality. Where would we be without his sterling example. We would just be stuck with guys like Chris Rock.
Yep. So what are we going to do about the white progs and their black, racists thugs?
I know we are tired of hearing from blacks, but I am equally tired of hearing us bitch about them and nobody stepping forward with an idea of how to deal with them.
Knowing full well we cannot live together, what can we do? I am still waiting for a writer here to make some suggestions. But no….Nobody wants to suggest the unthinkable so the writers just keep dredging up the same pap. And we keep on commenting on the pap without giving any thought to what we need to do.
Do YOU have any ideas? Because as it stands right now if you tell the truth you can be fired from your job (like the newsweek guy) and have your life ruined by these people. They have all the power right now. I’d like some ideas my self.
I’ve confronted people who say this kinda BS like it’s the Lord’s own gospel and have met instanst, “You’re a racist,” tripe from people who I considered my friends. It got so heated (on her part) at one point that I really thought I was going to be attacked.
So besides risking your livelyhood or a beat down, what do you suggest, because I’m all ears.
Lolly: If you are still here. Thanks for asking.
Okay, start with forming a Take America Back Party. TEA Party members are a plus, but mostly I see 2nd Amendment types, middle America and middle class Americans will be the bulk. Obviously it will be white Americans, but blacks/latinos are welcome. The blue-blood GOP has failed us. We must get rid of them–like Orrin Hatch and the rest of them.
This is both a political and action party. Political in that we will work to take over local and state houses and attempt to clean up state legislatures. Action in that it will respond anywhere the LEOs, media and local pols do not; i.e. where a white American is attacked by a black flash mob and the LEOs do nothing. We will act. So, yes, we will operate in and outside the law. If the SEIU or AFL/CIO surround citizens with a 100 men, we surround them with a thousand. Armed if necessary.
Each state must have a chapter with smaller divisions in each county. This must all be coordinated by the main party. It must be organized to build up our political power. We need the governorships! Then change the 17th Amendment. We must lobby our respective states (red) to reject DC power grab. Seccession is NOT out of the question, but ideally we can build enough power to over-rule the progs and keep the states united. Or force them into regions and let them wither away.
We need money to build up our action teams. These are teams of cyber warfare specialists, sharp PR and writers, accountants and lawyers. This is so we can counter-sue the ACLU and progs wherever they act. We need to uncover their financial sources and ruin their money train. We need to organize millions of Americans to stop buying products that support left wing MSM, 527s, charities and foundations.
Enough for now.
the way obama’s mentors and father-figures, black muslims like louis farrakhan and jeremiah wright (yes, he’s a black muslim) honor and revere arab muslim slavers for whom the very word black in regard to skin color means a slave, and how black barack hussein obama himself bows in an expression of abject fealty to a saudi-arabian wahabi muslim slaver potentate, but
how much worse does it get when 95 percent of all black American voters actually cast their votes for such a black man who bows before a slave trader potentate whose country still traffics in slaves, and owns them, and rapes them or kills them as it pleases? Does this mean that almost all African Americans are still slaves in their hearts, and by their black president’s example, would also bow in submission before their slave masters?
C’mon people, these comments are all missing the point. Chris Rock’s career is in the toilet and he knows it. His movies have flopped and his stand-up routine is sooo predictable. So he executes his next play from the Lilo-Kim Kardashian-Charlie Sheen-Paris Hilton playbook; i.e. do something so “outrageous” that your name appears in the media and the name recognition factor surges. I’m sure his publicist suggested this “prank”.
Give the guy a break. Rock is funny.
He was pretty funny when he went commented that Obama’s whiteness was definitely noticable.
There are a lot of people like Rock who have made millions. It just shows money does not make one smarter.
Chris Rock is a multimillionaire recipient of the American Dream who lives in a Beverly Hills mansion and enjoys every creature comfort imaginable. But he’s bitter, ya know?
am I missing something or did blacks sell other blacks into slavery, and did blacks not have blacks as slaves.
To be talking about America as having slaves, is denying that the whole world has had slaves and there are still slaves today, but all we get are blacks screaming about slavery that ended and opportunity that so many give everything to make it to this country.
And we get this from the rich blacks that have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
Time to take them to task and tell them to stop with the crap. And maybe they need an education as to what is fact and what is fiction. Slavery existed, the United States ended slavery. Maybe I am missing it, but let me see the other countries that had slavery and stopped it, and wrote it into their constitution.
It’s in Chris Rock’s best interest to keep the oppression meme going. Otherwise, he’s just another unfunny so-called comedian.
Rock just needs some attention, not getting the press coverage he wants…Just like that hack from Scrubs who hasn’t been involved in anything worthwhile since, well, ever…I find it ironic that I’ve had some deployments to different parts of Africa, when I ask my counterparts what they think of American Blacks I always get the same story, they can’t stand their arrogance and nancy whinning…
What Chris Rock really needs is the personal assets put under lock and key, and about a 4/5 year stint in Haiti sleeping in a tent, where I guarantee Mr. “Rock” will gain a personal epiphany about how bad he’s got it with a new and improved attitude when he gets back – if he gets back. He might also discover he’s really not all that talented.
Sorry gang, my sympathy tank has run dry for poor, poor black America and the excuses of abhorrent behavior. I don’t feel the least damn bit guilty about some seventh generation descendant removed of a slave anymore than I would some Jew making demands for reparations because Egypt held his ancestors in captivity. I can assure from the white trash I descended, my ancestors were probably picking cotton right along side them.
And my sympathy has now been rendered moot because I have had to listen to about umpteen million and wholly dependent blacks whine virtually my entire life about how tough ‘they got it’ usually while talking on the 4-G; how diversity is our strength
while they practice apartheid but want the bennies another pays for including the cable service; how pinkies keeps them down as they sit in front of the flat screen. One feeble excuse after another about their own personal failures and foibles and yes racism, including about 3 out of 4 black babies born with no clue who their father is (I am absolutely sure that somehow has to be my fault too). Did I mention blacks commit a vast disproportionate amount of violent crime?
Anybody with the courage to tell the truth knows fully well blacks are their own worst enemy, that is their entire sordid history, and most whites are so cowardly, so kowtowed that somebody might call them a racist as if Je$$e Jack$son calling you a bigot is the most egregious of sins, they don’t have the guts to summarily reject the immoral behavior. So what does much of white America do? They pander, they genuflect, they grovel to the NAACP. ** vomit **
If that makes me racist to point out the most obvious, so be it. I’ll wear the badge of racist with honor.
Hear, hear!
Regardless of Mr. Rock’s intelligence quotient, the snarky caption is really very informative considering the implication that these men of privilege and high station signed their names to a document repudiating the authority of the world’s most powerful nation. What could they have been thinking? Oh yeah, that there are ideals worth risking your life and fortune to pursue. Mr. Rock, and the cretins at the museum, don’t even realize what high praise they have heaped upon the founders by their insinuations. They are too insipid and irrational to understand that point, even though it is plain to any thinking person.
BTW, the part about them all being wealthy is also not true, but that is beside the point.
God bless the U.S. constitution.
And by signing the document, they put their lives on the line.
“Gentleman, we must hang together or most assuredly, we will all hang separately”
Such was the nature of King George in the face of outright disobedience to the crown.
Chris Rock doesn’t pay that any mind, since all he can relate to is “Dey signed dem dis piece o’ paper n’ sh*t” or something to that effect. To transport himself to the time of its signing when life expectancy was around 45 years old or maybe a bit more, and for “rich white guys” to lay themselves bare to the possible brutal punishment of the crown was no small commitment.
By the way…it was the southern colonies that insisted on being allowed to keep slaves while other men denounced it thoroughly.
The quote is attributed to Benjamin Franklin.
Whoever came up with that disgusting racist caption above Trumball’s painting isn’t worthy to lick the boots of any of the Patriots depicted therein.
They can keep it up for all I care, it only underscores their ignorance and divides us even more. I’ve always been a fair and decent person, I grew up around black folk, served with them in the military and always treated them as I would anyone else. While that won’t change, the racial politics being played out today has created a divide within me that has never been there and an opinion of them that has never been lower.
My family lived in the north. Many were abolitionists. BUT I think America… the country and its citizens have more than paid for {with their donations} at least one African country for those who are so unhappy. I challenge them to make a go of any place.
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The irony light is glowing brightly.
Chris, are you aware that you live in a country that allows you to say what you want, when you want, to whomever you want without any retribution from the government or private citizens?
How do you think that right came about?
How is it that you can poke your stinky little fingers on a keypad and broadcast it all over the network and yet, armed government thugs don’t descend on you like they would in oh, say, Cuba or North Korea?
Are we really so oppressive…us whites? Really? Gee, Chris, I make enough money to pay my own way but…I think I DESERVE some of what you make because it’s unfair. Sure, they paid you for all that “talent” you have but…where’s mine? I don’t have that ability but it’s really UNFAIR that you make so much and I have so little. Gee willikers.
My ancestors emigrated here long after the slave bit…but…I guess because I’m white I’m guilty as hell, in spite of the fact that my other ancestors were crucified by the Romans and put into bondage by the muslims. I’m still angry about that and I’m thinking of going to Italy and tweeting that I think they were all a bunch of anti-Christian bigots for enslaving and sending “my people” to die in the arena. So I understand where you’re comin’ from, man.
And when Christianity took over Europe..it didn’t matter. The Pope..oh..I KNOW he still hated my people. We were all converted to “their religion” by a bunch of bigoted, rich people. So I hear ya, dude. They owe me big time. I was no longer allowed to worship trees or rocks or even Athena…and if they caught me doing it…I would be burned alive. Yup, those nasty white people who demand they want everything done their way.
Oh…I’m white..but inside I’m still just as black as you are…what with all the persecution throughout the ages. So anger is all I have left. I want Italy and all of them descendants of those snobby rich Romans to pay me my restitution. I mean…I’ve been persecuted all my life…those people looking down their noses at me, won’t give me a job or a house like they have. It’s UNFAIR. Every time I got turned down for a job I could tell it was because I was descended from white Christians. Oh…they wouldn’t come out and SAY it..but they’d patronize me with remarks like, “Merry Christmas” or “Happy Easter” when I KNEW they would go to their warm, rich homes and just play the music that MY PEOPLE wrote and they have the NERVE to enjoy it.
I tell you, being descended of European white Christians is hard. The jokes they tell about us, the sneers, the side-glances. How many Christians does it take to screw in a light-bulb? UGH! And they think it’s FUNNY!
So, Chris, I understand man. You have a right to be angry. You run with that. Let it consume you and then you’ll fully understand what it is to seek vengeance for all the evil, trials and failures that man has foisted upon others.
To call Chris Rock a “comedian” is an insult to true comedians of the past. He is a lousy attitude with an overly large mouth.
This nut-case has no right to utter comments he thinks are ‘ smart.’ If real Americans, and I include blacks, read at the filth that comes from that two-lipped cesspool he calls a mouth, he would be run out of the country. The best part of it all is that we can choose to turn him off , to avoid his shows, to stop buying the crap he sells but in the long run, we might thank him for reminding real Americans of the treasure our nation really is.