Florida Voter Purge Reveals Noncitizens Who Voted
The Miami Herald today has a textbook example of burying the lede. Four paragraphs under the headline “County elections chiefs to state: We won’t resume voter purge program” is this gem:
About 40 people statewide have been identified as noncitizens. At least four might have voted and could be guilty of a third-degree felony.
So a very cursory review has already found forty non-citizens on Florida voter rolls? How many would a thorough review reveal if it weren’t stopped by the Eric Holder Justice Department and the ACLU?
And the same cursory review has shown four of these non-citizens actually voted?! Which four Democrats want to volunteer to have their votes cancelled by these criminals? What would completion of the program statewide reveal? Ten non-citizens? 100? 500? What number would convince the voter fraud deniers like the ACLU that something needs to be done?
Instead, cue the voter fraud deniers to announce that non-citizen voting in Florida isn’t an “epidemic” or “widespread.” They will crow that “only four” examples have been found! This is how the people who are institutionalizing criminality in our elections operate. They sue. They threaten. They add threats from the DOJ. They print outrageous editorials in the Tampa Times.
The only people standing against these enablers of crime are regular citizens who actually write emails supporting state officials, Governor Scott and election integrity groups.
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Reminds me of the old saying. “If they can’t cheat, they can’t win.”
They shouldn’t be able to vote if they’re not citizens. That’s like voting in a club you don’t belong to.
now why would they not want it to completed???? hmmmmmm yeah right. we all know the answer.. they want illegals, felons, dead people etc to vote what they want them to vote for a cheese sandwich and maybe illegal substances.. dems are liars and absolute crooks..they do not have the best interest in mind for this country. i’ll be glad when they’re all in orange jumpsuits..
I’m accused of wanting to suppress the vote of Minorities.
I answer, “You’re darn straight I want to suppress the vote of Minorities, specifically, Non Citizen Minorities, Convicted Felon Minorities, Deceased Voter Minorities, Imaginary Persons Minorities. Absolutly I don’t want those Minorities voting.”
Anyone who votes twice or votes despite ineligibility cancels out the legitimate vote of somebody else, and is therefore no different than suppressing eligible voters.
I see their were 47 reported deaths in Dade county so the Dems just picked up another voting block
Yet were disenfranchises minorities ???
After 2000 election Janet Rino was in Florida for a month and couldn’t prove this point…and for all JJs carping up in Ohio their were 2 complaints
I’m sick of being “Tawana Brawleyed by liberals” like Holder and the Poverty Pimps
I wrote for the Miami Herald from 79-91. Later I learned why my columns were often edited “for space” and never content. The Herald is a card carrying member of the DBM. And, as such, are enjoying a slow cancerous death into oblivion as are their co-partners/counterparts in crime the NYT, WaPost and the rest who just can’t stop carrying water for the White House Kardashians.
Meanwhile the next MSM starts here in the blogoshpere. We are vilified,told we are unimportant,unqualified, and not equipped to do what we do.(while the DBM cling to every word)
Our future as well rests with the Nov. elections. Never has so much been so dependent on one fine day in Nov.
Well, it all starts from the top. Who is telling Holder NOT to pursue this? Let me think about it for a second. Wait for it. Oh, I know, it’s the PRESIDENT!!! If Obama wanted this Florida investigation to continue, it would continue. But obviously he told Holder to stop it, or at the very least is not standing in the way of Holder from stopping it. Just shows you how far the Democrats are willing to go to rig an election. Well, I’d expect nothing less from a president who used to work for ACORN.
Wrong. Acorn was found to be innocence of the Radical Republicans’ charges of fraud, etc.
they were actually doing what they were saying they were doing, helping people to register and vote, especially people with problems voting, you know, like people without driving licenses, or ill or disabled people who cna’t wait in long voting lines on Election Day, which only will be getting longer with the cutbacks in election personnel and locations uunder the current governor and legislature.
I smell a fish.
You’re joking right? The same group ACORN that has been indicted on election fraud in multiple states? The same group whose tactics were so thoroughly discredited that they had to change their name and go into hiding? The same group whose congressional funding was discontinued because even congressional socialists couldn’t defend their actions?
We smell fish indeed. The stank is coming from every office of ACORN in the country.
Increase your abilify.
Sure, they help democrats vote, yet they are supposed to be non-partisan 501 organization, according to federal tax law. So they are breaking the law right there.They’re not supposed to be a democrat operatives.
“Which four Democrats want to volunteer to have their votes cancelled by these criminals?”
Canceled? Or doubled?
I must be missing something. What exactly would the INCENTIVE have been for each of these 40 people to risk a felony conviction?? (especially for the 36 who then did not in fact vote). How can you not address that?
“Felony conviction?” Ha. When’s the last time you saw anyone convicted of voter fraud?
Dead people have been voting in Chicago machine politics for years, going back beyond JFK.
The whole Democrat house of cards would fall down if Voter ID were required.
The incentive was they wanted to vote and perceived zero risk in doing so.
Incentive you ask?
Winning the Election for Liberalism (their Religion), how about that for a starter?
And, hey, with all the Vote Fraud Denial goin on out there, what was the risk. It’s only a risk if there is a possibility of being caught. Looks to me like Holder and Company (the beneficiaries of those illegal votes) are doing their best to insure that they DON’T get caught.
So these noncitizen voters are all ideologically motivated and willing to risk the felony for FREE? And they really think they’re going to sway an election with 4 votes or 40 or 400? Bear in mind that Holder won’t be AG forever, maybe not even past January 2013. Large risk for zero discernable benefit.
Your theory necessarily assumes a sizeable group of ideologically-driven noncitizens. Whom do you suspect of falling into this interesting category?
Why would they risk a felony? Perhaps you missed the point of the article: many are already felons, illegals, and “dead people”! I haven’t the slightest doubt they have been told by people that feel the same way as you do that there isn’t any real danger, no one will investigate, no one will question their vote. After all, they don’t have to show any I.D. It is just a little time out of their day in return for a pack of cigarettes (like in Philadelphia) or a little cash. And look at the good they will be doing: keeping the Democrats in power and defeating those vicious fascistic Republicans. The real question is why it doesn’t happen more frequently. Or maybe it does….
No, illegal voters voting doesn’t require the illegal voter to risk a felony, though the felony is being committed. Rather, a committed Democrat activist can show up at the polling place, give the name and address of the illegal voter, and vote ‘for’ them. The illegal voter runs the risk, the Democrat activist commits the crime, and the Democrat machine harvests the votes.
How do you think dead people vote in Chicago? Why do you think Democrats are opposed to requiring photo identification at the time of voting?
No, we are not concerned with zombie voters. We are concerned with Democrat activists committing felonies. We would like to make it more likely that every voter was legal, and illegal activities would be preferably prevented, or if not prevented, prosecuted.
Looks like there may have been some distributed vote fraud. Most likely someone like a certain wealthy Greek currency trader provided a financial incentive for groups like Acorn to register as many people as possible. Paid $3 per person for example. The workers on the ground then sign up as many people as possible, citizen or not, to get as much money as possible. The Democrat candidates hands are clean and left leaning supporters can claim they never told anyone to register illegal aliens, but the end result is to pollute the voter registration list with lots of ineligible voters who probably don’t normally vote. However, in a very close election, supporters of the Democrat can pay people with not much to lose to vote early and often, claiming to be one of these people who were registered.
Distributed voter fraud most likely occurred in the 2002 South Dakota senate race where Tim Johnson beat John Thune by 524 votes. Similar voter registration mess and lots of “gas money” was thrown around in Indian reservations. South Dakota passed a voter ID law and then John Thune went on to defeat Tom Daschle in 2004.
People will do anything if promised enough money or to be fast-tracked to amnesty and a Green Card. The Liberals, particularly Obama, Holder, Pelosi et al,know they’re up against a hard fight and in order to win they have to do the same as in ’08 – use every dirty trick, including fraud, to win. The Black Panthers and ACORN will be out in full force on Nov. 6 threatening and intimidating legal voters. Both groups know they are protected by Obama and Holder and therefore will use as much force as possible. It’s now like living in an Eastern Bloc country. Shameful.
Incentives? they’re demogoguic party operatives you nitwit!
Most aren’t even the people who are named, but identities thrown against the wall to stick long enough for a the “vote early, vote often” guys to make the rounds to vote under different names.
Geeeeeeez! What rock do you live under? Ever been to Chicago? Newark? Philadelphi? Detroit? on and on and on
I get the principal involved here but practically speaking, I doubt if 40 out of the thousands they went through are enough to overcome just the random errors in any system they might use. I expected to be more impressed with the extent of the problem. And that’s a good thing.
When the non-eligible voter realizes they can do as they wish because the current administration is on their side 100%, how many more non-eligible voters will attempt the same thing knowing they will never be prosecuted? More than any of us wishes to contemplate. This is how to rig an election 101. I’m surprised it isn’t on the class schedules of our “non political” universities.
The incentive, miguelj, would be that the noncitizen gets to vote in an election even when they’re not eligible to do so.
These fraudulent voters believe that the Democrats will stonewall any state investigations into voter fraud and thus protect them from being prosecuted for committing a felony, so there is no real risk.
(This belief is probably based on the fact that the Democrats led by the corrupt Holder DOJ are stonewalling state investigations into voter fraud, thus protecting these felons from being prosecuted.)
miguelj 8,
How about $10 a vote?
It would also be interesting to know how many votes were cast by the dead.
DEAD PEOPLE DON’T TALK, THEY VOTE & THEN GO BACK TO THEIR GRAVES?
One would think the democrats would want the voter registration lists to be updated and purged of those not qualified to vote. First there are not any to be deleted and second, if there were, they certainly do not vote democrat. Such a purge would actually be in their favor. I don’t understand why they are not suing to force it to be done.
Republicans want no “election fraud” unnoticed, Democrates want no citizen denied the right to vote.
Is lessened low incidence fraud worth lasge numbers of citizens denied their right to vote?
No. It isn’t, especially when it’s a straw man issue. Democratic Voting is the issue. The fraud issue is a just a Political distraction from undercutting Democratic citizens voting. Suprise. Suprise.
Dude, see my comment to you @6
Name the people being denied their vote. You can’t, because no one is being turned away from the polls. In fact, when Indiana passed their ID requirement, the left found their “dream case” of a “disenfranchised voter” — who turned out to have been voting illegally, as she wasn’t an Indiana resident.
Now — we can name at least 40 people who should not have voted, but did.
So, your non-existent problem, or the problem that actually exists? Which should be addressed?
Only found four, eh?
Not allowed to search any further, because there aren’t any more to be found?
Uhmmmm…
Excuse me?
Plus: the ‘mystery folks’ who provided the ‘incentive’ would ALSO be risking a felony conviction. For four votes?? For 40? for 400? Get real, willya….
They’re not risking crap in a dem county with dem operatives “certifying” the alleged vote.
The dem party is, in fact, a criminal enterprise, apparently being run by the White House and the DOJ.
RICO investigations, all around! Perhaps when pigs account for most of the traffic pattern over O’Hare.
It sounds as though you don’t believe that voter fraud is as widespread as people talk about. I lived in the Rio Grand Valley for 15 years. It is a FACT that the “promotoras” for the Democratic machine in all of the valley counties (from Laredo to Brownsville) would assist the elderly, the infirmed and the non-English speakers to fill out their mail-in votes. And every year, some who get popped for voter fraud, including the county employee in charge of the voting process. If you doubt it, check how many republicans got elected in Webb, Hidalgo and Cameron counties in the last 35 years.
And I’m talking ALL positions from dog catcher to U.S. Representatives. It is such a large fund raising region (the widespread poverty notwithstanding) that Clinton flies in regularly.
Don’t tell me there isn’t any voter fraud.
Well, we know here in the People’s Republic of Illinois both bin Laden and Ghaddafi are truly dead. They’re both registered to vote in Chicago in the November elections.
I’ve stopped calling illegal aliens illegal immigrants and have begun calling them undocumented Democrats.
This is bad enough, but the most important purge of the voter rolls is getting rid of the dead people. It just takes a little work to figure out who they are, and easy to write out absentee ballots for them, shove them in a trunk and pull them out when/if necessary. In fact they don’t even have to be hidden because a challenge might come up only if there is a recount.
And having a cushion of extra voters on the rolls safeguards against the possibility of more votes being cast than there are registered voters which triggers investigations.
So charge those non-citizens who voted with a felony charge and the state won’t need to worry any more. A felony is a deport-able offense. I am all for Voter ID. I know the Democrats use it as a clarion call to rally the base. But even I can’t get too worried about 4 illegal votes in our 4th largest state. We need to use reasonable measures to insure vote integrity. To me, an ID is reasonable. It is also of benefit to those who don’t have ID because the states will aid them in gaining one just to vote. Most places won’t give you a job or rent you an apartment if you can’t prove you are who you say you are. The idea that there are vast numbers of people out there without ID is just as ridiculous as the idea that there is vast voter fraud!
The illegal voter may not have committed the offense. So long as Democratic activists have access to (public) records of voters who are unlikely to have already voted, they can arrive at the polling place with their information. This works for dead voters, people who moved, or illegal voters who don’t even know that a Democrat activist signed them up. All it takes is one Democrat activist to put a check in a box on the DMV form. Who knows who checked the box? The only way to find them is to run a sting with a number of fake illegal voters through the DMV and look for systematic fraud. Even then, what risk does a civil service worker take? A significant danger of a week of paid vacation?
I always thought that the concept of the dead living on was merely a theological abstraction.
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My wife’s mother lived in Chicago, and I am absolutely sure that she votes every election, despite being dead for 30 years.
Since she lived in three places in Chicago, it is likely that she votes more than once in each election.
Democratic Proxy Voters: Once who votes for another, being authorized by the local Democratic party which works to assure that no measures are taken to prevent fraudulent voting.
Hmmm…what was the vote margin in the 2000 presidential election? Anyone who claims 40 votes is irrelevant doesn’t have a very good memory.
Part of the problem is that if photo ID is deployed to prevent fraudulent voters, the Democrat activists have or will infiltrate the DMV and Passport issuing authorities to control photo IDs.
Better would be a requirement for a photo ID tied to $50,000 in a bank account. That way the poor can legally sell their vote for $50,000, and we can eliminate welfare programs, while charging the Democratic party $50,000 for each fraudulent vote. A ‘white market’ in votes may even drive out the ‘black market’ just a legal booze competes well in price and quantity against moonshine.
Dude, I’m far from poor, but I don’t have $50,000 in the bank. That would take me a few years to save up, seeing as it’s close to my gross salary.
“Part of the problem is that if photo ID is deployed to prevent fraudulent voters, the Democrat activists have or will infiltrate the DMV and Passport issuing authorities to control photo IDs.”
They already have.
one now
who doesn’t know
the democrat vote
is crooked
Four possible fraudulent votes. Out of 5,460,573 who voted in the 2010 election in Florida.
Clearly voter fraud is a HUGE issue…
So you think the 40 legitimate voters who had their votes countered by illegal votes should just suck it up and get over it?
As a typical Liberal you engage in the practice of Re-Defining words.
Look at the article carefuly (I’ll type slow so you can keep up with me.)
“So a very cursory review has already found forty non-citizens on Florida voter rolls?”
CURSORY!
According to the Dictionary;
cur·so·ry
[kur-suh-ree]
adjective
going rapidly over something, without noticing details; hasty; superficial:
And yet you make your argument as if an In-Depth review was made.
The problem is, that after a Superficial look at the rolse they came up with 40, how many will be found when a closer look happens?
And Holder and Company don’t want that closer look for one reason and one reason only, they know there are more by a geometric progression when you start turning over rocks.
Less than 600 votes won Bush Florida in 2000–voter fraud is no big deal?
Thanks Christian; very nice spade work.
The logical next task on FL voter rolls will need support from one of the think tanks or Super-Pac’s:
> cross checking voter registration rolls in SE FL counties against
NYC & NJ lists.
It’s a slam dunk that many lib snowbirds are double voting; once in person (presumably in FL while wintering over), and again by absentee ballot in NYC or NJ.
Best Regards,
#26 Gyp – Yes, but who knew FLA would be that close? Could’ve been any of a dozen states that close. Are you saying there was fraud in all of them? Wouldn’t it be cheaper and less risky just to bribe eligible voters??
You people remind me of the left-wingers who swore Bush stole the election.
Don’t undemocratic (small d) fanatics whose side loses always attack the legitimacy of the process? Doesn’t that logically lead to banana-republic-dom?
I repeat: Romney has a fair chance to win this fall. What then? Is there a statute of limitations on voter fraud? Yes, there is bribery and, yes, sometimes machine politicians rely on franchise-after-death. All that can and should be stopped; and why wouldn’t it be when government changes hands every 4 or 8 years? (Or is Romney perhaps ‘part of the plot’ too?)
But to believe that there are hundreds of thousands of noncitizen voters committing felonies in return for pocket change?? Next you’ll be claiming that Obama was born in Kenya, or that 9/11 was an inside job. Too sad.
The question: “Have you ever voted or registered to vote?” came up in my US naturalization interview this spring. Of course, an affirmative answer–or evidence of regustration–would have precluded American citizenship.
Surely its an insult to the one million people per year who having played by the rules and become naturalized American citizens not to ensure the integrity of the voter rolls.
This fall, vote early!!! Vote often!!!! But VOTE.
Many folks have asked the hypothetical(s), ‘Why would a non-citizen risk persecution if trying to vote..’?
Seriously? MANY illegals nationwide are, ‘on probation’ – whatever the hell that means. A, ‘law abiding illegal’ – Insanity.
Many illegals possess a fake/stolen SSN(s), no car insurance, car registration. Expired/ no green card, often times paid cash at their job, tax breaks (?), abuse entitlements they should NOT be ‘entitled to’, multiple arrests and convictions etc.,
The consequence? Prison. Maybe. 3 hots and a cot, cable t.v., gym, outdoor recreation etc.,.. this beats a majority of illegals living amongst us! Heck many legal citizen’s current situation as well!
Though don’t worry these illegals are, ‘on probation’.
As for those providing, ‘Voter fraud is nothing..’ responses: Continue believing that nonsense. As well as ALL basic/ cable ‘news’ channels, union-controlled ‘news’ affiliates whom provide ‘unbiased, full disclosure’ of said stories as well.
Yep, no human interest stories are part of their M O – no Siree.
Straight shooters, every last one of ‘em. Riiight.
WE have to distinguish between “illegal aliens” and “legal aliens”. ALL aliens are not allowed to vote. Illegal aliens are usually fence jumpers or persons who have lost valid status in the USA by not keeping current with their paperwork.
In some situations LEGAL ALIENS, persons in the USA on a valid status can find themselves put on the voters’ roll through no fault of their own. In fact, they have to work hard in some states to stay OFF them. Example: registration for a library card; or a mistake at the DMV.
Most states have a “catch question” on the Driver’s License application pertaining to citizenship/immigration status. This is intended to facilitate compilation of state voter data and serves as an evidence for USCIS inquiries re: voter registration (see my comment #29).
Whether the Drivers’ License should be used de facto as documentary evidence of immigration status is a whole other discussion.
Democrats SUCK !!
When the DOJ flat out refuses to enforce the law, doesn’t Congress have the power to call him on the carpet and force him to enforce the law, or impeach, or something?
Have we come to the point in our country where the highest officials in the land do Whatever they want, without the rule of law?
civil war coming?
this is ridiculous.
Congress only has the power of the purse, power of exposure and can impeach in the most extreme circumstances. Truth is that the members in the house can be more aggressive than their staff. The opposite is true in the Senate.
Most likely the 4 that voted voted Republican. At least no one has stated which side they voted for because no one but they know. What will the right do then when the illegal votes are on their side will they still say voter fraud or will they then defend these people. It would be interesting to see. Also where there any Republications living or dead on the purge list. From what I have seen in the last 40 years if anyone will use the dead to vote it would be the GOP. But still were there any Republications on the list at all. Some how I doubt because if there were I am sure they would be bring it up as a defense of the list being equal and fair.
Hey…call me dumb…but I still don’t se how 53,000 “dead people” could “vote”?
How do you get 53,000 people to queue up…with the appropriate names of the dead ones to vote? How is that remotely possible?
Who feeds them the false ID’s?
There has been no proof that any dead person has cast a single vote. Just some of the people on the list have died. Which this was suppose to be done last year and not during an election years and not this close to an election. also I would point out that the 40 out 180,000 people on the list that were non citizens only 4 had voted and the other 36 most likely did not even know they were even on the rolls. Our founding fathers would have been outraged that these people are not allowed to vote but are still required to pay taxes. It was the main reason for the revolution after all. Oh and no one said these non citizens are here illegally just that they were not citizens. My wife is not a citizen of this country or at least not yet but she is most likely on a voting roll somewhere because she has a drivers license.
How many of the commenters have witnessed fraud or had someone else witness fraud. The woman in the parking lot filling out a voter registration form, she was doing it for her, and the potential applicant spoke very few words of English. What about the 17 year old flashing a voter registration card around. What do these two acts have in common? Both were ACORN. When the electoral process becomes overwhelmingly corrupt will fake I.D.’s be used by the once law abiding taxpayers to “defer” taxation?
So much to do about four suspects. Question is: How many legitimate voters will be purged from rolls?