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Just a reminder that they hate us, they really hate us:

“If it’s Kansas, Missouri, no big deal. You know, that’s the dance of the low-sloping foreheads. The middle places, right? …Did I just say that aloud?”

Yes, yes you did — and it’s not the first time you’ve used that riff, either. If a quote falls on Friday night at 10:00 PM on HBO, no one will hear it, but fortunately, this one has been captured in handy embeddable video form.

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The New York Times’ David Carr drops the mask, and lives out artist Saul Steinberg’s classic 1976 “View of the World from 9th Avenue” New Yorker cover. But the view from the Times’ editorial bullpen is a curious paradox, isn’t it? On an episode of Mad Men, I believe it was John Slattery’s Roger Sterling character who quipped something like, “If only we didn’t have to deal with clients, advertising would be a great business, eh?” Similarly, the New York Times wants to hold itself out as The Paper of Record — yet absolutely loathes the people who consume their product — and especially hates its potential readers, who have been driven away by such elitism.

In the aftermath of the 2004 election, James Lileks neatly summed up the attitude of coastal “progressives,” in a sort of text version of Steinberg’s cartoon:

Once upon a time the major media at least pretended that the heart & soul of the country was a porch in Kansas with an American flag. Now it’s the outlands, the Strange Beyond. They vote for Bush, they believe in God, they’d have to drive 2 hours for decent Thai. Who are these people?

The Times itself said nearly the same thing five years later — too immersed in the View from Pinch Avenue to realize the irony of their insular worldview — when they issued a press release on the latest nepotistic doings at the family business:

Young Sulzberger named NYT’s Kansas City correspondent

Arthur G. Sulzberger (left), son of the Times publisher, “may be hard pressed to find vegetarian food amid all the barbecue joints, but he’ll have no trouble finding stories,” says a Times memo.

“He has an eye for spotting unusual and compelling tales, and bringing them to life with deep reporting and lively writing.”

“Not to mention cliched adjectives”, Kathy Shaidle quipped at the time, adding, “Outside of Manhattan, ‘vegetarian food’ is widely available at things called ‘supermarkets.’”

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  1. 1. Harris Tweed

    David Carr is a bigot. And like most Lefties he likes to feel as though he is an intellectual.

    Rarely do people like him have anything intelligent to say.

    • Glass Houses

      David Carr has real difficulty communicating. I feel sorry for a “witty” pundit who seems to have a neurological disorder…

      But after hearing his tortured speech, he should probably keep comments about intellect and brain function to himself.

      • It’s just a consequence of his drug addiction which I understand was pretty bad. It’s cruel to mock those who can’t help it. Sulzberger should be given credit for giving the poor fellow a job.

    • icetrout

      From New York ,who care’s? Place if full of half-witted queers who’s opinion’s are rotted as their immune systems.

    • Willys

      To wit the above attached video…

      Obviously, his commentary is intellectually amusing to his contemporaries.

    • Wayne

      When Ted Turner, Bill Gates, or Al Gore talk about population reduction – who do you think they are talking about or what group do they want to start getting rid of first?

      I promise you it isn’t people in Asia, Africa, South America, or Europe

  2. 2. Ceteris Paribus

    Maybe President Bachmann will sign an executive order moving the US Capitol to central Kansas. Imagine the elites having to work among the American people they so despise.

    • All that would do is turn central Kansas into a clone of DC.

      It’s not the geography, it’s the bureaucrats and politicians.

      • Ymarsakar

        Bureaucracy takes time to develop. It’s very hard to corrupt an area that has a culture different to the foreign invader’s. DC can assimilate new politicians and force them to be corrupt to play the game and serve their constituents. Once out of that quagmire, it’ll take a long period of time before the same will happen to Kansas.

        These things don’t automatically happen in human affairs. They take time, effort, and generations of people messing things up. America didn’t get to be in this state because of one or 3 elections. It was a century of Leftist-Progressive actions.

    • NOOOOooooooooo!!! If the DC people came here to Kansas they would completely wreck the neighborhood! Let them continue to think that Kansas and Missouri are worthless places in the middle of the country. That way they will stay the heck away, because we don’t want them!!

      • Bigredmed

        Same with Omaha. We make a joke out of it, but we always tell people from the East and West coasts that after they come out to Omaha, they have to go back and tell their friends that Omaha is flat, desolate, and painfully boring (in between Indian attacks, tornadoes, and blizzards).

        We have all seen what happened to Colorado when all the Californians moved there. Ruined the place.

        • Sarah

          I read this as “Indian attacks and tomatoes.” Which brought to mind Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes… I suppose they’d believe that too.

      • Don Rodrigo

        Yes, correct, we D.C.’ers would wreck your neighborhood; as it is we’re already trying to do that long-distance, aren’t we?

        The solution is to make DC of much smaller consequence; it isn’t even the money: make the central government substantially smaller and less influential, and it will cost less as a consequence. Kansas will be saved.

        If I move to Kansas from DC it will be because I have wb and tech skills I can use outside of government.

    • CBI

      Rather than move the capital: distribute it. In other words, put the Supreme Court in one location (e.g., Mississippi), the President’s office in another (e.g., South Dakota), the Senate in one (e.g., Vermont), the House in another (say, Arizona), and mandate that each cabinet-level position and department be in yet another, different, State. Dept. of Labor in Texas, Commerce in Michigan, Defense in Nebraska, Treasury in Kentucky, Justice in Kansas, Navy in California, Army in Minnesota, Air Force in Alaska, etc.

      Another option: move the location of legislative sessions every year, based upon a random draw.

      Be creative: the idea is to prevent a concentration of power in any one location.

      • Henry Reardon

        Another option: move the location of legislative sessions every year, based upon a random draw.

        Exactly what I was going to suggest!

        Of course that raises the question of where the Congresscritters would meet. While building new Congress buildings in every state would certainly help create jobs, I’d like to see them either timeshare the state legislature with the state government or use local facilities like convention centers. That will help those operations along without spending billions of dollars in every state for facilities that are the equivalent of what they have in DC.

  3. 3. CKAinRedStateUSA

    As a “low-sloping forehead” from the South Atlantic part of the dreaded “middle places,” gosh, I’m just stunned by such statement. NOT.

    Once, while working for consulting firm in the Boston area, they sent me to the middle places on a couple of marketing assignments. I guess they thought that being MP native and versed in LSF language and customos, I could achieve more in the “middle places.”

    Maybe it was because I’d said to them that people in the “middle places,” but particularly the South, laugh silently at the know-it-alls from the metropolitan areas, especially those above the Mason-Dixon line, and especially those from New York and New England.

    I think I even said that those LSFers would smile, be polite and courteous, all while skewering you and knowing they would never do business with people they considered foolish, arrogant and condescending–and void of common sense and decency.

  4. 4. Jack in Silver Spring

    Ed – I’ve asked the following question earlier (and by now several times), who kicks the bucket first? Pinch or the Gray Lady? You told me, Pinch is 59, so I’ll put my money on the Gray Lady kicking first.

    BTW If I remember correctly, Pajamas Media got its name in the Dan Rather scandal concering President Bush being AWOL from the air-force. If it weren’t for Pajamas Media (and I suppose other similar blogs) I wonder if Dan Rather’s shoddy reporting would have led to Kerry’s being elected in 2004. The LSM doesn’t so much report the news as try to make it.

    • I’d say the Swift Vets deserve as much, perhaps even more credit than the Blogosphere. They broke the news of Kerry’s duplicitous Winter Soldier past; and the resulting outrage by the MSM over that aspect of Kerry’s history being dredged out of a once hermetically-sealed Memory Hole helped to drive the story into the forefront of the news. As Tony Blankley, then of the Washington Times wrote in late August of 2004:

      Mark the calendar. August 2004 is the first time that the major mainline media — CBSNBCABCNEWYORKTIMESWASHINGTONPOST L.A.TIMESNEWSWEEKTIMEMAGAZINEASSOCIATED PRESSETC. — ignored a news story that nonetheless became known by two-thirds of the country within two weeks of it being mentioned by the “marginal” press.

      It certainly wouldn’t be the last, though.

  5. 5. Llarry

    You know, that’s the dance of the low-sloping foreheads.

    What does that even mean? It’s supposed to be a witticism, but it’s moronic. You either have a low forehead or a sloping forehead.

    Only a giant, pretentious ass would mangle vernacular English so badly.

  6. 6. gnubi

    As the NYT assumes its position alongside the other dinosaurs, it will provide endless entertainment to those of us in fly-over country. We’ll still be here when the NYT and its self-congratulating hacks are nothing but a case study for the new journalism.

  7. 7. jen in joplin

    I think by “low-sloping foreheads,” he means there’s hardly a rounded part of the forehead at all (for brains); it just starts out flat and stays that way all the way down till there’s a little ridge above the eyebrows.

    I don’t know for sure, tho. I’ll have to go check the mirror.

  8. 8. Dial C For Cocktail Waitress

    For me it has gone without saying for many years that the media elite in our country have no interest in hanging out with the very people who are their audience.

    The “great unwashed” chuckle back and live lives these morons could never conceive of. Admit it, can you imagine a movie star of star journalist hiking the Inca Trail or around trackless Guatemalan jungle or backpacking anywhere on their own without an entourage, gov’t officials and big buck hotels?

    They think they live in a world they actually don’t and in a recent story about how Gay Talese spends his days I quite frankly saw it as more of a prison sentence and life of utter boredom than anything else.

    I don’t care how smart you are, provincialism can’t be overcome with sheer intellect and these people are the pure essence of ivory tower hacks. Exactly what is it that these people do out there in the world that I am to have so much respect for; we’re talking about people who are so busy they have to be constantly on the run with blackberries just to do their jobs and education comes in where? They affirm each other and not the real world.

  9. 9. glenn

    You think that was smug and self assured try managing in a factory and dealing with a Harvard MBA who tells you with a great deal of self assurance that doing what we did every day was impossible. Had we not had a bunch of mutual friends and the possibility of doing some work with him I would have said “Maybe for you”

  10. 10. louise

    Gee,and guess where he is from?
    Minnesota,right you are,the northern mid-west.I guess that makes him a slope head.

    • Ols Soldier

      But – he was brilliant enough to move to New York and leave all that ignorance the locals call “common sense” behind.

    • bianchi_roadie

      That’s very common for transplants to the East Coast to be the biggest bigots. Not sure why: self loathing and trying to “make up for their low upbringing” among their East Coast peers?

      • Bigredmed

        Yes, they tend to be really snooty. I don’t think it is all just trying to over compensate, rather a lot of them move away because they hated the place at some point in their lives, and now have to keep telling themselves that.

        Native Easterners are so devoid of any sense of awareness of the middle of the country that they really have no opinion of us, so the negative thoughts of guys like Carr stand out.

    • jen

      But they don’t count Minnesota as part of the “heartland.” Ever notice how those folks seem to merge MN and sometimes WI in with the Northeast, politically, if not geographically? When you look at those red state/blue state maps, there’s a strech of blue across the top of the country right in that area, that goes along with the blue “parenthesss” on each coast.

  11. 11. 11B40

    Greetings:

    I wouldn’t mind being there when one of those Kansas/Missouri farm boys got his hands on Mr. Carr’s pencil-neck. And a short fashion note for Mr. Carr; too-big shirt collars don’t help your pencil-neck.

  12. 12. don

    Hey, it’s OK, it’s just white folks from the limousine left talking chit about honkeys in pickups; but they really think the same thing about darkies, and brownies, and slopes in the nether regions of the country. See, the limousine left just generally don’t have the balls to talk trash about the protected classes, ’cause then they get fired and have to go to the Betty Ford clinic for rehab so they can help the down trodden again with such movies about dumb, and dumber, and Forest Gump and the gay cowboys on bare backing mountain. Of course, if you’re a catholic conservative Mel Gibson on a drunken red neck rant about Jews, you don’t get to exorcise those special skin and class dispensations at the Betty Ford clinic for recovering celebrities.

  13. 13. turfmonster

    I enjoyed reading about Newsweek being sold for $1 and assumption of debts. When another one of these irresponsible organizations goes under, I hope it is for good and I’ll enjoy reading about their demise with glee.

    • Murgatroyd

      I enjoyed reading about Newsweek being sold for $1 and assumption of debts.

      I just think that the … uh … their appeal is becoming more selective.

      They’ve gone to a twice-per-month publishing schedule. Soon Newsweek will be Newsmonth, and then “Didn’t there used to be a magazine?”

  14. 14. Boogeyman

    It would almost be worth having the nation fall completely apart, all the way apart, just so pretentious asses like this would have to actually do something useful to earn a living. Seeing him have to dig a ditch, swing a hammer or load trucks on a dock would be worth living in a Mad Max kinda world.

    Seeing him mocked on an episode of South Park would be nearly as good.

    “The Perfect Smug Storm: Part II”

  15. 15. spinoneone

    What they really mean is “Neanderthal” as in pre-historic man. Cf. Wikipedia -

    Neanderthal cranial anatomy

    Also, many of these traits occasionally manifest in modern humans, particularly among certain ethnic groups traced to Neanderthal habitat ranges.[citation needed] Nothing is certain (from unearthed bones) about the shape of soft parts such as eyes, ears, and lips of Neanderthals.[7] While the structure of the head and face were not very far removed from those of modern humans, there were still quite noticeable differences. Notably the Neanderthal head was shorter and with a less pronounced facial front. Chin and forehead sloped backwards and the nose region protruded forward more than in modern humans. The common shapes of the nose are not known but in general it was likely more robust, and possibly slightly larger, than in modern humans. The brain space of the skull, and so most likely the brain itself, were larger than in modern humans.

    When comparing traits to worldwide average present day human traits in Neanderthal specimens, the following traits are distinguished. The magnitude on particular trait changes with 300,000 years timeline. The large number of classic Neanderthal traits is significant because extreme examples of Homo sapiens sapiens may sometimes show one or more of these traits, but not most or all of them.

    Cranial
    Suprainiac fossa, a groove above the inion
    Occipital bun, a protuberance of the occipital bone, which looks like a hair knot[8]
    Projecting mid-face
    less neotenized skull than humans[6]
    Low, flat, elongated skull
    A flat basicranium[9][10][11]
    Supraorbital torus, a prominent, trabecular (spongy) brow ridge
    1,200–1,900 cm3 (73–116 cu in) skull capacity
    Lack of a protruding chin (mental protuberance; although later specimens possess a slight protuberance)
    Crest on the mastoid process behind the ear opening
    No groove on canine teeth
    A retromolar space posterior to the third molar
    Bony projections on the sides of the nasal opening, projecting nose
    Distinctive shape of the bony labyrinth in the ear
    Larger mental foramen in mandible for facial blood supply

    • fsilber

      spinoneone: “The large number of classic Neanderthal traits is significant because extreme examples of Homo sapiens sapiens may sometimes show one or more of these traits, but not most or all of them.” — But if each of those traits is sometimes shown in extreme examples of Homo sapiens sapiens, doesn’t this mean that the Neanderthal category is a mere social construct?

  16. 16. Robert L. Mayo

    Yes, the New York Times hates me. But I’m not bleeding to death, they are. Every copy they print is money drained from the pocketbook of the institutional left. Yay for the Times!

  17. 17. Andy Gump (formerly Oscar the Grump)

    low sloping foreheads?

    Obviously this man seems to think that he has a large frontal lobe than the rest of us. Its another way of calling us knuckle draggers etc. Coming from Nebraska I suppose that I resemble that statement. No offense taken by this mule brain. Lets see, these folks that he is talking so glibly about are some of the best people I’ve met in my life. I remember their honesty, generosity and plane love for mankind. These are the folks that keep us fed. We live in a world that has a projected food shortage with a poor wheat harvest in China and record drought on the steppes of Russia. In our own country, how many thousand acres are being flooded and useless. Yet these geniuses want us to convert 40% of our corn crop to alcohol. Maybe we will be able to drink our dinners. Without this corn, all animal feed prices will skyrocket. Cereal will cost us record prices. People will go hungry, but they already are in this country. Food banks are strained to try to keep up with the demand as people don’t have jobs, homes, or food. Yet the elite of this country insist that we burn our food as gasohol. They remind me so much of the Russian commissars and how they treated the people of Russia. Oops they were leftist too!

    • Animal feed prices have already gone up. I used to pay $6 for 50 pounds of chicken scratch – now I pay $10 for the same thing. Eventually this is going to cause egg and chicken prices as well as pork prices to go way, way up.

      But heck, we can claim that our cars are burning cleaner fuel!

  18. 18. chambers

    Mr. Carr is quite the raconteur isn’t he? What a sharp and witty bon mot! One worthy of the Algonquin Roundtable in it’s heyday. I’m sure Mr. Carr will be dining out for quite some time on this as well as regaling his friends (who must be as insufferable as he is) with the replies the NYT receives from out here in the Cro-Magnon hinterlands concerning his remarks. Well we can take it and Mr. Carr would be wise to consider what happens to those who indulge in such hubris. Nemesis has a way of biting them in the rear end when they least expect it.

  19. 19. Eric

    Attitudes like that demonstrate exactly why we in middle America loathe “progressive elitists’. You don’t seek to govern those for whom you have contempt, you seek to rule them and impose your will on them. We will not be ruled!

  20. 20. Old Soldier

    I really like HBO – “Game of Thrones” was brilliant for example. But I never watch Bill Maher. Supposedly he is a stand-up comic, yet he has never made me even smile.

    Why would anyone watch a group of smug and completely ignorant morons sit around trying to prove to each other how pretentious they are? None of them have the slightest knowledge of history, economics, business, or American society. It’s just a group of dimwits congratulating each other for being so smart.

  21. 21. cynthiarobinson

    I have an idea! How about we cease to supply the Uppity East Coasters and Looney Left Coasters with food, fuel and other commodities that are produced in the land of LSF? They, in turn, can cease to supply us with the trash that passes for “news” and “entertainment”. Tit for tat, and everyone will be happy!!

  22. 22. Tony M

    If you were walking down 5th Avenue in New York and came face to face with this jerk, could you resist the urge to slap him in the face? (I reserve a punch for men only).

  23. 23. Tex Taylor

    No worries. Because it has been my experience these smug bastards living in their penthouses who consider themselves “elite”, in actuality are the most helpless people on the planet.

    Case in point. While on a trip in Colorado some years back, I happened to come across two of the grandsons of one of the key producers of Touchstone pictures, sitting on the side of the road of a dead, brand new Range Rover – cell phone out of range. I stopped and offered assistance. Neither was particularly friendly, though they did offer up their credentials of fame. In desperation, I suppose, they accepted my offer of sloping forehead help straight from darkest Oklahoma.

    Neither could figure out how to pop the hood, much less determine what was wrong. I found the positive cable dangling, so I attached it for them. Still wouldn’t start. So I “jumped” the vehicle for them, instructed them to not kill the motor for a time, unhooked the cables, and closed the hood. They got in and drove off without so much as saying “thanks.”

    I can assure you there will come a time in America the blue blood aristocracy is in for an epiphany of the most painful type – being left behind with the realization not another minute will their money buy.

  24. 24. Ago Solvo

    When NYC can feed itself, when NYC can properly dispose of its waste (without dumping into the ocean), when NYC can sustain itself financially, then, perhaps their voice will be worth listening to. Until then, in the words of their own eugenics lefties, they are simply useless eaters with little value to the planet.

  25. 25. RebeccaH

    I take that kind of talk among Carr’s ilk as the nervous attempt to reassure themselves they aren’t living in a society that’s very small and closed tight.

  26. 26. Leesburg Guy

    Years ago my late wife was talking with a friend who had grown up in the DC area. The friend said, “John (her husband) and I were talking about you and Ron last night and we think you have done just marvelously considering that you are from South Dakota.”

  27. What impresses me most about Carr, the Times, and their fellow bien-pensants is their complete lack of situational awareness. They’ve sunk so deep into their reservoir of hauteur that they can’t even acknowledge the humanity of others who disagree with their opinions or diverge from their life patterns. Yet to a large degree, their existence is made possible by the (vestigial) respect those others hold for them.

    Consider: An organ such as the Times subsists principally on advertising revenues. But advertisers don’t spend their money for ads in the Gray Lady because it’s chic; they do it for the “eyeballs.” When a sufficient number of the “eyeballs” have defected to other sources of news and entertainment, the advertisers will vanish as well.

    The same case can be made for other forms of entertainment, of course. And indeed, there appears to be a similar process in motion pressing upon the broadcast television networks. Yet the moguls of those networks remain resistant to the suggestion that they cease treating their viewers as subnormal savages whose cultural and political preferences deserve no respect.

    Cite the old line about hubris and Nemesis as often as you like.

  28. 28. cas127

    And why should anyone care what a famously “former” drug addict like Carr (http://gothamist.com/2011/06/16/ny_times_david_carr_never_been_bett.php) thinks?

    Carr’s resume:

    1) Blowing guys in an alley to get a fix.

    2) The New York Times (blowing smug liberals on their lawn, to get a subscription…)

  29. 29. Les Hardie

    Republicans in the fly-over states should use this clip in all their TV ads. It explains everything we need to know about our Democrat apparatchiks and palace hangers-on.

  30. 30. Ago Solvo

    Let me see. We can certainly find out how apt they are if we withhold food from them that is produced out here in fly over country. I would also like to see the elite east coast plan for disposing of their own garbage without dumping it in the ocean like they do today. Oh, and since they don’t like us we should also withhold our tax money that keeps them from falling off of the continental shelf!

  31. 31. Joe

    Seriously, the guy making this comment was raised in Minn. How’s that for self hatred. He also had a terrible cocaine addiction that he was lucky to survive which he wrote about. So, there’s actualy evidence to back up the claim of self hatred as if the quote alone weren’t enough.
    The lack of self knowledge and the rampant projection is clinical.

  32. 32. teapartydoc

    On the other hand it is nice to be informed that they know we exist. Only I’d like to let them know in a much more personal way.

  33. 33. bobmark

    Bless his heart.

  34. 34. Marc Malone

    “Vegetarian food” can also be found at feed stores. Lots of feed stores in sloping-brow country. Cows and horses and chickens are vegetarians, right?

    Swine are omnivores, but we feed them vegetarian diets. Hey! There’s a connection there!

  35. 35. Tblakely

    There was an episode on BBC’s “Top Gear” were the hosts drove through the deep south. Part of their trip involved driving through some small towns with what they thought were provocative slogans written on the sides of their cars with the intent of stirring up the ‘natives.’ Well they got a reaction and were so scared that they ran away and washed off the slogans in a panic. Right after that one of the hosts condemned the locals as being inbred and uncivilized.

    What amused me was their cluelessness. They actually thought it was the slogans that enraged the locals and not their obvious contempt and trolling for a reaction.

    I’ve wondered if the person who had that bright idea was there or sitting safely back in a studio.

    • JLSpeidel

      That episode is why my husband will never watch that show again. He didn’t like the contempt of the hosts. He said that they just wanted to make the USA look bad. I used to watch it all of the time for the humor since I could not care less about the cars they talked about, but I don’t anymore.

      • Merovign

        Re: Top Gear’s Southern Special – while they haven’t admitted faking that yet, they have been caught faking other coverage, as has the BBC – repeatedly. Top Gear is an entertainment program, not a documentary.

  36. 36. cfbleachers

    Low sloping foreheads vs. the wet fish handshakes and limp wrists of the coastal pansy types.

    The broad shouldered vs. the narrow shouldered, bony and gaunt, wearing beards to try to appear more manly than Providence had endowed them at birth. And now, let’s examine the men of that ilk as well.

    No need, there’s nary a man to be found there….it’s a woman domination thing.

    Caricatures make for trite conversation, but when a sissy gets sassy it’s bound to get saucy.

  37. 37. marco73

    Oh, how can anyone be insulted? Shoot, I’m a white male, born in low-sloping forehead land. Moved as a teenager to the middle of Jesusland. To complete the trifect, I married a wise Latina. For even more fun, I’m Catholic and a military veteran. So according to NYT reporters, my life has got to be comedy gold.
    I’ve walked the streets of NYC and other large cities, and have navigated without drooling on myself. But I’ll bet this Carr fellow would be crying for his mama in 5 minutes in my life.

  38. If people in “flyover country” have low IQs, does that mean they scored badly on a culturally-biased, meaningless test?

  39. The inane Blue Dem leftist state of NY thinks that way huh? Who would have thunk it? The lemmings there as in so many leftist states: Ill,Ca,Minn., Wash. are just folded into the idea that America is not unified since we will not affirm their anti-American stances. Well if Pubs can unify Indies, Libertarians, Reagan Dems, TEAS, they can restrict the anti-American voters to a few geographical areas and allow most Americans to yearn and vote again for liberty, free enterprise, and lower taxes, spending and the creation of private sector jobs. Frankly, the Left is alien to our American heritage, history and values. Too bad that they control our educational and govt. infrastructure since they are brainwashing those folks to simply become as alien as they are.

  40. 40. SDN

    Look up the definition of “men without chests” and find Carr’s picture.

  41. 41. Rhoda R

    I’d be more ashamed to be praised by Carr than insulted by him.

  42. 42. Transplant

    I’ve spent my time in “fly-over” it’s sort of like Queens. (cf Robert Benchly) Most of the people seemed good hearted but the govts (Daley,Prendagast etc) could steal like Easterners.

  43. 43. Oakenheart

    We hate them too, and we own the majority of the guns, as well as being well-practiced with them. Keep it up, smarmy “elites”. Remember Kipling –

    “An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
    An’ Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool — you bet that Tommy sees!”

    Same principle.

  44. 44. Sparky

    I’m guessing that David Carr was just flat-out stoned when he made that remark. Mind you, I have no doubt that he is arrogant and condescending to those who reside outside his part of Manhattan.

  45. 45. richard40

    I mostly agree with your article, except for your comment about driving 2 hrs for decent Thai. I live in an Oklahoma City suburb, generally classed by the Times as in the same class as Kansas, or worse. Yet there is a fairly good Thai, and also a Korean resteraunt, within 15 minutes of my appartment. Our city has planty of minorities, especially asians. I suspect Kansas has their share as well. What worries the NYT though is many of our minorities, especially asians, are just as politicaly conservative as our whites.

  46. 46. Pete

    Re: “If it’s Kansas, Missouri, no big deal. You know, that’s the dance of the low-sloping foreheads. The middle places, right? …Did I just say that aloud?” Mr. Carr, if your comments attain any sort of widepsread coverage in “flyover country,” you’d best not suffer a breakdown on your next cross-country automobile trip… finding mechanical help might prove troublesome. Lynyrd Skynyrd had it about right for dealing with guys like you, though they were singing about Neil Young, when they said, “Well, I heard Mr. Young sing about us, well, old Neil her down… hope Neil Young will remember, a southern man don’t need him around anyhow…” Well, Mr. Carr, just substitute your name for Young’s… and you should get the idea just fine. Real men don’t care about the opinions of the likes of you, and never will. BTW, Mr. Carr, a little gratitude would be in order, as without the food grown in the heartland of America – aka “flyover country” – NYC would starve in days.

  47. 47. Murgatroyd

    No matter how much they deserve it, it’s sad to see the deterioration of a once-great newspaper. The Grey Lady is now the Dingy Whore.

    The fish rots from the head, and as time goes on it gets worse. From Punch … to Pinch … to Punk.

  48. 48. bigjimbo

    Ed Driscoll:

    I believe you used to be Capt. Ed. of Clipper Ship fame. I followed the Rathergate fraud on your blog. If I remember you gave a lot of credit to Lashawn Barber for breaking news.She has lightened by the political tack now in is more into Christian fare. It is a fine and respectful read but I miss her great 2004/5 work.

  49. 49. SGT Ted

    They are stereotypical “Ugly Americans” but only in their own country, towards their own countrymen.