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“You went on MSNBC and expected to have an intelligent discussion?”

September 13th, 2013 - 10:08 am

I love this comment by fabiusthedelayer at the Atlantic in response to Christina Hoff Sommers article How to Make Schools Better for Boys:

I recently appeared on MSNBC’s The Cycle to discuss the new edition of my book The War Against Boys: How Misguided Policies are Harming Our Young Men. The four hosts were having none of it. A war on boys? They countered with the wage gap and the prominence of men across the professions. One of them concluded, “I don’t think the patriarchy is under any threat.”

The MSNBC skeptics are hardly alone in dismissing the plight of boys and young men. Even those who acknowledge that boys are losing in school argue that they’re winning in life. But the facts are otherwise. American boys across the ability spectrum are struggling in the nation’s schools, with teachers and administrators failing to engage their specific interests and needs. This neglect has ominous implications not only for the boy’s social and intellectual development but for the national economy, as policy analysts are just beginning to calculate.

MSNBC, like so many other news outlets just doesn’t get it on this particular issue. And other times, they (kind of) do.

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It may be too hard to realize the 60 year old males they see as the "patriarchy" were boys 40 years ago and the effects on boys now will not be fully realized for decades in the future.
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Ask them: And when your heterosexual daughter is an adult and looking for a meaningful relationship, perhaps marriage, and perhaps children, who is going to be her partner?

-- The adderall-addicted drop out?
-- The ex-con?
-- The doofus who took seven years to drop out of college (with piles of debt he can't pay off)?
-- The 30-year-old unemployed guy who lives with his parents and spends his days playing Call of Duty?

And when every other successful woman is looking around for some semi-successful guy, and there aren't any to be had, or aren't enough to go around, how fulfilled will your daughter be in her life?

Alone.
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Dr. Helen, you can't get four women who think like this together and expect them to do anything other than to push the feminist agenda. Like, wdalasio said, it's MSNBC.

First, none of these women would ever be hired as a host if they didn't push the feminist agenda. Their job is to dismiss any and all arguments and evidence that exposes the fallacies and deleterious effects of feminism, particularly those that go to how detrimental the movement and belief system is to men and boys, not to mention culture and society as a whole. And they certainly will never admit that feminism is equally or more detrimental to women and girls.

Second, these women, and the spineless male sychophants who support their agenda--you call them Uncle Tims--live in denial. Their minds are closed and locked. You cannot reason with them. No amount of evidence will convince them. You might as well try talking to a brick wall. They are simply going to keep pushing their agenda, in the media, academia and the court system, until they accomplish their ultimate goal, which is to establish a matriarchy.

Funny thing about that though is, it's not like a movement like this hasn't been tried before. Those that study ancient history know that in classical Greece, women tried the exact same thing. Incensed over their supposed or imagined lack of rights, they wanted their own city. So, they got some men to build it for them, probably in exchange for sex, and then promptly expelled all the men. And there it was, for all the world to see, the feminist Utopia, an all-female city. Women, uninterrupted by men, did all the work, the chores, the farming, the cooking, the cleaning, the administrative duties, everything. They were completely autonomous and independent, and they ruled their own city. It utterly collapsed within a few years. That may be a myth, but it goes to the point.

Anyone seen an Amazon lately? Not the river, an all-female warrior tribe that supposedly was to conquer the world. No. Ever wonder why? Because an all-female tribe cannot reproduce.

This is the lesson of history. Men build civilization. Women take over. Civilization collapses soon after that. Men rebuild civilization, and the vicious cycle begins anew. This has been going on for thousands and thousands of years.

A very wise man once said, history does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme. What is going on today is not identical to what has happened in the past, but it is eerily similar, perhaps more militant, an off-rhyme if you wil.

But the conclusion will be the same. Women will strive to establish a matriarchy in the civilization the patriarchy built. That new, reformed so-called civilization will soon collapse. And men will pick up the pieces and start over, rebuild again. Wash, rinse, repeat.

If we allow ourselves to proceed along this tedious trajectory, our society, our civilization will surely fall apart. What comes after that is anyone's guess, but it won't be pretty in the meantime.

The only thing a man can do today is to simply ignore these women. Do not date them, do not have sex with them, do not waste any money or time on them, do not even try to talk to them, just leave them to their own devices. And when their matriarchy collapses, laugh at them. There are far too many other women who don't buy into their BS that deserve your attention and respect. It is on these women that the future of civilization lies.

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It's pronounced Mizz NBC.
47 weeks ago
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C. H. Sommers: We're hurting our males.

MSNBC: Good!
48 weeks ago
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Print this on a piece of paper. Tape it to your bathroom. Recite it in a full voice audible throughout the house every single morning, seven days a week:

"I will NEVER appear on MSNBC. Not for ANY reason on God's green earth. EVER!"

Repeat three times, then get on with your day.
48 weeks ago
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...And if you go anyway, make your own recording.
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I have a slightly different take on this. Our schools are designed to keep unscholarly boys out. The filter doesn't seem to be that effective on girls.
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"Forget it Jake. It's MSNBCtown"
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A high-tech society can only be maintained by competent adults,
which is why ours is going to crash, and its successful successor
will have some mechanism for restricting the franchise to CAs;
The women in that future society will be even more ruthless
than the men in enforcing that restriction.
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Of course, they're deliberately missing the point of her book - this is about boys and young men, not fully mature adult men that are years beyond that point - and didn't suffer the same headwinds.
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It may be too hard to realize the 60 year old males they see as the "patriarchy" were boys 40 years ago and the effects on boys now will not be fully realized for decades in the future.
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Exactly.
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That is, she's talking about what is, and they're talking about what was.
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Yeah, too bad that wasn't made clear earlier. I've noticed a lot of leftist argument goes off on the same kind of tangent. It's hard to discuss a subject with people who will not address the issues directly.
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Ask them: And when your heterosexual daughter is an adult and looking for a meaningful relationship, perhaps marriage, and perhaps children, who is going to be her partner?

-- The adderall-addicted drop out?
-- The ex-con?
-- The doofus who took seven years to drop out of college (with piles of debt he can't pay off)?
-- The 30-year-old unemployed guy who lives with his parents and spends his days playing Call of Duty?

And when every other successful woman is looking around for some semi-successful guy, and there aren't any to be had, or aren't enough to go around, how fulfilled will your daughter be in her life?

Alone.
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That's the design goal - men as second class citizens, women as single moms, (*if* they want to), and the family destroyed, and the role of men fulfilled by government.

They're not after equality or respect. those were achieved a while ago. This is about destruction of everything it means to be a man, by defining everything 'bad' as male, and everything 'good' as female.

Feminism = Marxism, and Marxism is about making the state the source of everything. (Actually, Machiavelli had that idea back when he wrote "The Prince") Honorable, successful men will only get in the way of that end.
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You think success is maintainable over the long term in our tragicomic and pathological, contracting, crony looted, "service and information" economy? You think a contemporary feel-good based credential education is going to be useful or in demand in a decade or two? Wow.
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There will be less and less value created, less and less innovation, less and less non commodity based consumption, less and less credit, less and less room at the table/trough and plenty of room in the gutters, dorms, tents, ruins, and crumbling sprawl. Like it or not, Hoover-towns are on their way back along with wooden nickels, beef clubs, sharecropping, and 'shine.
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This is what Heinlein tells us is called "bad luck" after progressivism reaches it's natural end state having devoured the seed corn..
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Well,something tells me that the Insta-wife could go on MSNBC and rip them all a new one without breaking a sweat
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Re: "And other times, they (kind of) do."

Before the vid at the linked-to site is played, there is no mention of fathers, only parents, despite the fact that the overwhelming number of jailed parents are fathers. Would MSNBC have hidden "wives" in the lead to a report on domestic violence? No. There's always bias at MSNBC, either blatant or subtle.

Re: "MSNBC, like so many other news outlets just doesn’t get it on this particular issue."

That's because the pundits are deeply, perhaps immutably afflicted with the apex fallacy. "The apex fallacy is the idea that we use the most visible members of a group to make generalizations about the entire group; i.e., we see prominent men at the top of the pyramid and think all men are doing well, when, in fact, there are a great many at the bottom of the pyramid too."

-Alison Beard, a senior editor at Harvard Business Review:
http://blogs.hbr.org/hbr/hbreditors/2013/03/whats_worse_glass_ceilings_or_glass_cellars.html

MSNBC pundits would never read such commentary as this:

“The Doctrinaire Institute for Women's Policy Research: A Comprehensive Look at Gender Equality”
http://malemattersusa.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/the-doctrinaire-institute-for-womens-policy-research/
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