The war on men continues…
Make sure you aren’t alone in the children’s section of your local bookstore if male (thanks to the reader who sent this):
Barnes & Noble has apologized after a senior citizen said staff at one of the retail giant’s Arizona stores ejected him because he was on his own in the children’s area.
Omar Amin claimed a store worker told him a female shopper had complained he was in the children’s area in the store in Scottsdale, The Arizona Republic reported.
The 73-year-old, who was alone at the time, said he was in the store to buy books for his two grandchildren, who live in Wisconsin.
He told the newspaper, “Men alone cannot be by themselves in the children’s area.
At least they apologized, though this is a sad state of affairs. Notice that just a woman telling the store that a man alone was in the aisle was enough to get this man ejected from the store. Have you noticed that a female voice telling an “authority” that a man is a possible threat is enough to convict him of ill-doing without any real proof? Pretty soon, men will not be allowed out in public unescorted by a woman or some authority. It’s pretty pathetic.
This is so common as to be not even newsworthy. The only reason it made the news is that the guy complained.
I’ve been questioned while watching my kids play in the park and while watching youth soccer games. And, yes, I’ve been challenged in the children’s section of a bookstore.
It’s just the way it is. The Y chromosome is proof of evil intent in many women’s minds. (I’ve never been challenged by another man.)
So maybe the lesson here is that men need to complain. Unless it is in the news, it will continue to happen without notice.
Complaining is not an answer to this problem. My son was clearly solicited by a teacher and the school did little to nothing about it since the molester’s status was high, exposure might harm his daughters, and my son was older and we were from out of town. I complained but was treated as a nuisance. Serial molesters carefully manage their image so no one would ever dare imagine their true identity, as in this case. How sad then witch hunts are directed at men in bookstores, a place no molester would likely use to find prey.
Far more abuses are committed than reported; probably one out of three girls and one out of five boys. Men usually are the perpetrator and the damage can be severe so I am not suggesting we do nothing about this to avoid unfair discrimination. Criminal penalties given to proven molesters can easily wreck a life so they are reluctant to expose themselves and get treatment or assistance to manage their mental illness. Penalties also create a pressure to fall into denial. The only answer I can see is for society to get educated about how sexual predation is a form of mental illness and approach it proactively in ways that work instead of fooling ourselves that penalties can solve this problem alone.
Greg’s post (2) – May I say horseshit? That is the same as calling all women sluts because they all have vaginas. His numbers are question – kinda like the number of women raped daily in the US which last time I totaled it up was slightly higher than the number of women in the US and ignores the fact most abusers are not strangers but friends, family, and teachers.
The only response for injustice is to fight it.
It did happen to me once when I was shopping for a present for my goddaughter and some manager came and asked me why I was in the section as someone mentioned it to him. I asked the manager (1) for his name and number so my lawyer could include him in the suit personally as well as the bookstore, and (2) why he was helping that person get all other adults out so she could be alone with the children. Didn’t it worry him that she wanted the only other adult gone? What was she planning? When he tried the concerned person line, I returned to one and asked how she knew none of these rugrats were mine? I still go to B&N to browse but make sure I mention since they treated me like shit I buy from Amazon. Or Hastings…Hastings is nice and the coffee is Starbucks so it isn’t burnt.
Let’s not pretend it didn’t help that he was a senior and a minority.
Real men don’t complain. Real men buy books from Amazon. Leaving Barnes and Noble to the bankruptcy court.
I expect it isn’t the complaint that made this news but the realization by Barnes and Noble that they were alienating customers. The kind who don’t complain but just stop trading with them. Forever.
“The kind who don’t complain but just stop trading with them. Forever.”
The kind of people such as I. Barnes & Noble has permanently lost my business.
Thanks for mentioning Amazon. They must have heard and now I have three advertisement on this web page!
But, you know, books can help us complain effectively. They give us ammunition.
Yeah, and when Barnes & Noble are driven out of business by Amazon, see if you can go sit in Jeff Bezos’ den and read.
This is another reason that men are abandoning mainstream society. “All Men Are Paedophiles” not only affects men, it also affects children.
Children need positive male role models. Even as far back as ancient times, it was recognized that children without male leadership were more easily controlled. Without male role models, they find themselves ill-equipped to stand up to agents of oppressive Statism. Which is, of course, exactly what Feminism wants.
Lastly, there are a lot of men who won’t even help a child in danger for fear of being called a paedophile.
Several years ago, I was meeting my family at the mall. I got there early and sat in the little cafe next to the ice rink. As I took my first sip, I saw a little girl about 10, I guess. She was wearing a skating costume, no skates or shoes, and was crying. I let her go by. She came by again a few minutes later, still crying. I wondered if I was making a mistake, but I got up and spoke to her. She had been waiting for her mom to pick her up for a long time. I pulled out a chair at my table, gave her my cookie, and then walked over to the mall information desk where a woman was working who took charge of her.
Sorry for the long story. The punch line is that I was ashamed of myself for having hesitated to help the girl. I think I would have been just as hesitant if it had been a boy. Nevertheless, I think quite a few of us men are at the point where we are apprehensive of this particular role.
Years ago, I was in a bus station with my dad. There was a little girl standing on the curb who was frightened by the loud bus engine when it was started. She was crying loudly. Without thinking, I’m almost sure, he picked her up and started walking around with her to find the parents. Everyone in the station reacted positively.
A couple months ago I was working out alone in the small gym in my apartment complex. I was almost done, and a little girl walked in and started using the exercise equipment as playground equipment.
I finished working out and left quickly. No way am I going to be in a gym alone with a little girl, especially if they fall off the machine.
“…quite a few of us men are at the point where we are apprehensive of this particular role.”
Sadly you are right, TFR. Recently at my gym a little girl was wandering around looking lost. I did go up to her and ask if she needed help, and everything turned out fine, but it is disturbing to think how I wondered beforehand whether I should do that or not.
Our society is pretty sick. Those who like to belittle American society before the 60′s either have no idea what they are talking about, or they have an evil agenda. It wasn’t perfect before the 60′s of course, but more people knew right and wrong.
I appreciate what you wrote here. Thanks.
The woman was projecting her own vulgarity onto a guy who had no such thoughts. Pretty much the platform of the Dem Party, which sees all Conservatives as racists who don’t especially care for women. That gives you an insight into what Dems think about the most – morality attached to gender and skin. Gender and skin can literally amount to “right thinking.”
Perhaps that was what she was doing, or perhaps she was an untreated sexual abuse survivor. That does not excuse the massive projection, but some fear of men is earned through horrid experience. Again, no excuse, but life is complicated and most behavior is multi-determined.
I am glad the guy complained!
Trey
My 18 year old son is going to be a camp counselor at an overnight camp this summer. I have already warned him NEVER EVER to be alone in the bunk with a child. But of course a former counselor at the camp was just arrested for having kiddie porn on his computer…
No, Helen, that will not happen. One or two events like this and men begin becoming a problem. We don’t fall for that. A few will lead the rest to do things that make such stupidity… unwise in the many ways men can do things. We aren’t women, we won’t tolerate burquas or handholding. Remember who enforces the law? Oh, but such things, if they do begin to happen more regularly, will see to drastic changes. Be sure of that.
The other thing… Omar Amin? Why does that name sound… troubling. There is a reason for suspicion of some groups of people. If he looks anything like his name might imply, there is a reason to be suspicious. Especially when some progressive judges have even (tried) to let them off on rape because their culture tolerates it (yes, here in the states, if it was overturned by a higher court). How some cultures view women and children does leave room for suspicion. Be careful to note the differences.
I’m a dad. I’m great with kids, patient and playful. My kids are grown, and I looked into doing volunteer work with small kids. I was told on multiple occasions that I could apply, but they were actually only looking for women applicants.
I am male, but I get the drift. I was once in a large video store years ago, and an unaccompanied little girl walked back into the corner I was in. I immediately got out of there until she left, IMMEDIATELY, and then I went back to look at the movies I was interested in. I understand the Little Princess and her Big Princess Mommy have all the power today, whether it’s fair or not.
I WOULD like to know who the empowered woman was who started this witch hunt. No one ever seems to want to name them. Accusatory women are also the types who never take responsibility (like Crystal Mangan).
What you all missed is this salient detail: “Amin is the director of the Parasitology Center Inc. in Scottsdale and an expert in infectious disease.”
The good doctor raised a stink about it and actually got B&N to apologize.
I like to think of myself as being more informed of the various traps and pitfalls that have been set before men in the modern age.
For this reason, I have no earthly idea why any man, regardless of sexual orientation or relationship/parental status would knowingly deal with small children in any capacity in the United States. Knowing the risks associated with doing so and feeling a need to do so anyway is tantamount to attempted suicide. Is that right? No. But the ability for society to assign blame or to invent bullshit out of whole cloth due to some Hollywood inspired negative perceptions is too strong.
It sucks, because I like kids. I like being around them, I like reading to them, I like making a mess trying to make cookies with them, etc. But more than once I’ve come across a shrieking child in the middle of a public space and just walked on by. The risk of being accused of something horrible is too great. I haven’t seen any of them crop up on the news as being found abandoned yet, but I’m sure I’m not the only dude out there ignoring them in order to avoid accusations and trouble. So it’s only a matter of time.
Like Verit above, I too will flee any space that a child wanders into if I am by myself. If I am not by myself I refuse to make eye contact with the child or the adult accompanying said child unless the accompanying adult starts the conversation, even then I make every effort to keep it short. If the child makes an attempt to make physical contact with me, I break contact, stop whatever I’m doing, and make a beeline for the nearest exit.
Single mothers don’t understand why single men want nothing to do with them. Ladies, it’s a simple combination of having no desire to place onesself in close proximity to a child not your own, and to deal with the child of a single mother that has had no strong male presence for most of its life. I can deal with children that act like little monsters, if the mother is doing what she can to deal with the problem directly. But if your child is doing its best Linda Blair/Exorcist impersonation and you are standing idly by while it occurs, I’m going to at the very least say something (if we’re together – if not I’d probably just leave the AO and quietly tell the management why.) Deal with it or hit the road.
I feel the same way about dealing with most American women, incidentally. Some of my more friendly co-workers are women. But I know that if push comes to shove, and if one of them felt the need or desire to accuse me of something bad because of capriciousness that I would have no recourse but to either comply with their desires or get sent to jail. I do not allow females colleagues in my office with just the 2 of us present other than 2 that I explicitly trust (my boss for one – she’s a CW4 and I can’t really say no to her, and a female SFC that I’ve been friends/coworkers/colleagues with for the last 10 years. Even then there are certain topics that I refuse to discuss with either of them.)
I’ve witnessed it firsthand, and I’m not pretty enough to get away with the ribald innuendo that some of my more esteemed (read: handsome) colleagues get away with. I’ve never even been accused of anything untoward, but that is because I’m not a dumbass and knew what was what the moment I started working with military females at the outset of my career.
I’ve seen the writing on the wall, and after 15 years in the military I was given the chance to get out on a medical discharge (heart disease) and am taking the opportunity to do so.
People have gently suggested that I become a schoolteacher or volunteer at the YMCA (or equivalent) as I’m good with the few children I interact with, and I always tell them that I am exactly the kind of dude the news media and various victim advocates salivate over. White, balding, 37, never married, no children, 70K+ a year job, own my own home, and keep to myself in my neighborhood (my neighborhood is a weird combination of almost retired couples and young couples with small children) – in other words, no thank you, not worth the risk.
Yes, the country is still worth fighting for. I’m just not too certain that can be done from either a prison cell, a mental institution, or a sexual harassment/sexual assault avoidance seminar.
JVictor75…you and I have a lot in common… I am someone who has a heart of gold. I also have a medical condition which has made it hard to find a wife. I am now pushing 50 (Unbelievable) I have similar experiences. I actually had a woman at work falsely accuse me of sexual harrassment while working for a large fortune 500 company. Eventually, a HR investigation not only revealed she was lying but that she wasseriously crazy. They gave her a package to an early retirement. But as a 35 year old male (at the time) it was assumed I was guilty until proven innocent. (Her reasons for using that was a smokescreen regarding a nearly psychotic outburst she had against me unprovoked. I brought it to my bosses attention while she was sitting in the same room and she dropped an out of the blue sexual harrassment bomb. So yes I can not tell you the amount of stress my life had become when that all happened. I literally went days without being able to sleep.
I am actually a person with a heart of gold. Who loves kids and would like to do some charity work visiting children in hospitals. But society has bogged down every possibility of that ever happening for me in my life. To the point it is impossible. And after what I went through with the forementioned case… I never ever ever ever!!!!!!!!!! want to put myself in a position where I am vulnerable to false accusation. I know the devil would love to see me go through that kind of scenerio times 10. Because if a child was the accusor that is what it would be like. I actually had a man a person who lives in an adjacent neighborhood imply I was some kind of pediphile when I walked through his 1/2 acre yard while chasing after my then 6 month old puppy who crossed his property while his two children were playing in his backyard. I also had a premonition that he was packing a gun in his back belt when he came to my house to talk to me.. (I just know it was the case). So I have learned on repeated occassion it does not take much for you to be put at a serious jeopardy. They would hang Santa Claus (by his you know whats) if he was alive today. And the God honest truth is I have a heart for children that is not far from St. Nicholas. But I am handcuffed and I have been given ample warnings of how dangerous it is out there. The one time I did visit children in a hospital I had to spend about 300 dollars of my money (which I did not really have to begin with) to buy stuffed animals to bring to children as an excuse to visit them. The giving of the animals was my reason not that my charitible heart and sense of being wanted to express God’s love for sick children. But I must be a weirdo or pervert or have an alterterior motive in eyes of the world which simply is false. So it goes that the devil has a victory party when good men like me are force to do nothing.
“Accusatory women are also the types who never take responsibility (like Crystal Mangan).”
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That’s Crystal Gail Magnum. The stripper who committed perjury.
She’s been up to more than perjury lately. I believe she is awaiting trial for murder of a boyfriend….
It’s amazing how much Imans and the feminists in this country have in common. Truly, opposites attract.
Sad that much of the west is devolving into an misandrist version of saudi arabia / the islam-dominated world, though I guess its hardly unsuprising since both the misandrists and muslims are more or less two cheeks of the same ass.
And American Princesses bemoan the lack of males who are interested. This kind of crud is why.
A woman telling authorities that a man has committed domestic violence (whether or not there is any evidence is irrelevant) is all it takes to send that man’s life spiraling toward hell.
Case in point. My ex used an accident from a year prior involving my son. He was taken to the hospital to have stitches. No mention of “abuse.” Hospital workers separate parent (my wife) and son and question individually. Again, no mention of “abuse.” If the hospital had any suspicion, they must report or risk losing their license(s). No report, no indication, no suspicion from the staff trained to spot abuse.
She files for divorce, says the accident that happened a year ago was abuse, gets a PFA, I’m evicted from my house, my guns seized, can’t see my sons until the hearing, which was weeks later. Thankfully, because I was a decent guy, I had a number of friends who opened their doors and didn’t buy it for a second. What if I wasn’t so lucky?
Months and months later, I’m still fighting for custody.
All it takes is words. You’re presumed guilty and have to fight like hell to prove innocence. I tried pointing to the lack of abuse statements or hospital staff not finding evidence, but it didn’t matter.
It’s interesting to see how the world changes. In the early 70s, when I was a resident in surgery, I had a moonlighting job in an ER. One night a woman brought in a five year old with a suspicious lump on his/her (can’t recall) head. I took the mother aside and after some discussion, she admitted she had hit the kid. That was before mandatory reporting of child abuse. I called the neurosurgeon on call, another resident moonlighting. He was angry at being called, came in and said the lump was an insect bite and left before I saw him. There was nothing left to do but let them go. I never referred a patient to him in the next 30 years we were both in practice.
Dang, that sucks RTP. You are in my prayers as you seek to regain your child and save them from a manipulative mom who is without character. The kid can’t grow up to learn right from wrong in that environment. The childs needs you, fight long and hard!
Trey
I sent them an email informing them I would never do business with them again.
I understand but disagree with the mentality that real men don’t complain. More men need to complain and follow that up wtb legal action if necessary. That is what this man was going to do.
Thank you for taking a stand. If more men would do so, this discrimination would be less likely to happen.
Women are only part of the problem. The beta-male bitch clerk that immediately went into appease mode for some busybody harpie should have had his ass beat by the doc. It ain’t like male B&N employees are tough guys. White knights all, I’m sure. In fact, I bet I could kick the living s@it out of every male B&N employee of my state at the same time. Behind every femc*nt is some loser guy ready to carry her cross in the hopes of finding favor in her neurotic world.
I bet I could kick the living s@it out of every male B&N employee of my state at the same time.
Pretty good parody of the Internet Tough Guy pose there, TLM. Maybe a touch OTT, though.
Not sure what OTT means. But have you seen the type of guys that work at b&n? No hyperbole needed.
OTT := over the top
OTT = Over The Top
Pretty soon, men will not be allowed out in public unescorted by a woman
Suddenly, the reason for the libs love affair with Islam becomes clear: they want shar’ia, but in reverse.
Thank you for the comments, gentlemen. Very sad that society has come to this, but eye-opening as well.
“I bet I could kick the living s@it out of every male B&N employee of my state at the same time.”
I think your’e right.
It’s a full time job not living down to peoples expectations.
Call a man an animal often enough,don’t be surprised when he finally breaks down and acts out.
Feminism causes violence.First by violence of thought,next by violence of false accusations,and finally violence from the injured party.(men)
It’s self fulfilling ideology.
Also the cops love it as it gives them more power and more “crime” to render.
So VAWA funding and the resultant violence will increase.
Big money to had in holding a man hostage until he proves a negative.(that he is innocent and not guilty)
It’s time to start tossing monkey wrenches into this machine at every opportunity.
They say during WW II the ‘conscripted’ Jewish workers would sabotage the munition the Germans had them making.
It’s self evident why they did that.
Do that.Sabotage those munitions.
This type of creeping sharia occurs in medicine too. Years ago, I learned that only women should be doing basic research on breast cancer. I predicted that this would result in advances in prostate cancer. Indeed, this is what happened, when male endocrinologists left breast cancer research to team up with urologists on prostate cancer. While CAPcure and other advocacy groups focus on prostate cancer, Susan Komen engages in political activity- Israeli researchers were banned last minute from attending a Komen meeting in Cairo
Other than the clerk’s say-so, is there ANY actual evidence that some (un-named, un produced, ethereal)other customer-person “complained”?
I teach Sunday School and other classes at church and when I applied I was given a contract/questionaire to fill out. Most was standard stuff, but the church asked me if I had been abused (I have) and if it was sexual (it was not, thankfully.) They went on to ask if I had sexual feelings toward children.
I filled out the form then asked to speak to the director and had a nice chat. I let her know that people who were sexually abused were less likely to act out sexually as adults then the general population according to the research and that growing up in a home with domestic violence was the best predictor of sexually perpetrating children, even though it is not at all a powerful predictor as most people who grow up with domestic violence do not perp kids.
The conversation went great and we talked about ways to improve the form. Sometimes speaking up really does help.
Trey
Captain DMO, that sir, is a cogent question! The clerk may have been the problem. Or the store manager. Good question.
Trey
Not that long ago, I saw a story where a little girl (she was three I believe) drowned after being seen by a number of men who all noted her, but none of them approached because it was a little girl, and they were men, so they would have been instantly suspect had they attempted to help the child.
Only one man, who talked if they disguised his voice, said, “It’s sad, but as a man, my entire life could have been ruined if I had tried to help the child. And while I will have to live with not helping her, I would do the same things again, since I have a family of my own to think of.”
What I found interesting was that no one chastised the mother, who wasn’t married, for neglecting her child, and letting her wander off. They were all very sympathetic. It just makes me shake my head, I grew up in a time when men would jump in a river to save a child, and now they have to stand by helplessly due to the oppression of their own government. And people wonder why America isn’t what it once was, and more and more people think her glory days are behind her. Unfortunately, I have to agree – I wish there was a country that stood for freedom, democracy, and capitalism, rewarding doing what is right, but the last one of those was sacrificed on the altar of socialism, feminism, and other “ism’s”…
Linked here: http://bobagard.blogspot.com/2012/06/if-youre-man-stay-out-of-childrens.html
I am truly dismayed and disgusted when I read stories like this. And to read the comments from the men who will no longer come to the aid of distressed children is really heartbreaking. I didn’t buy into feminism when it reared its ugly head years ago, but I never would have thought it would end up like this. I always explained why I was so against the “war of the genders” but it seemed like I was talking to empty heads. It also didn’t make me popular with the “feminist” men I seemed to have met too often (ok it was California-’nuffsaid). Good grief you would have thought I wanted them to be men or something.
I can only hope that the men who comment on this blog realise that there are women out here who have not bought into the men are evil junk.
If this had happened to my father, with his values, he would have been confused and no doubt would have made things worse for him.