Fascist Union Thugs Attack Crowder
Watch this. In Michigan, where they just passed a right to work law, comedian and commentator Steven Crowder tries to find out what exactly is wrong with free people having the choice whether to join a union or not. The union members explain it to him like this: ”The problem is we are fascist bullying lowlifes who will use violence to get what we want when logic and argument fail.” Okay, they don’t say that in so many words — but then I’m not sure these goons know that many words. But they sure enough make it clear. And by the way, if you’re wondering why Crowder doesn’t do what he’s fully capable of doing and lay one of these Nazis out, it’s because they would have mobbed him and killed him. Because that’s just the kind of dokes these union fellows are.
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Look at it this way. If someone goes around protecting your neighborhood with a baseball bat, it would be selfish not to pay dues like everybody else. Right? Unions are just benevolent little soldiers who have taken it upon themselves to provide protection for everyone.
It makes more sense in a Sicilian accent.
But unions are just thugs for the common good… just like the KGB.
This is the two word mantra response from the democrat media. “Isolated incident.”
“Selectively edited”.
“Deserved it”.
“Rethuglicans staged it”
Yes, I’ve heard all three, and I don’t even go to the leftie sites.
Hey Stephen,
You looked okay out there. You stood up. Nice job.
I am not in any way justifying, condoning, or even “understanding” the thuggery and violence. For that matter, the public sector-management dynamic is quite different from that in the private sector and I have no problem with this sort of law for public employees–and liberals who think public employee unionism is such a good idea might ask the president why he doesn’t add another million people to union rolls by a stroke of his pen.
However, much of the justification for these laws misses the point, I think intentionally. No one in this country is required to join a union as a condition of employment. That’s called a closed shop and it’s illegal everywhere. Nor is it necessarily noxious to require someone to join an organization as a condition of working–in most states to be a lawyer one must not only pass the bar exam but also belong to the state’s bar association.
Furthermore, workers who do not choose to formally join the union can in most cases pay an agency shop fee, in other words the cost of the bargaining and representation on their behalf. And that’s where the “freedom of association” claim breaks down.
It’s because when a union represents a particular shop it represents, as it legally must, all employees in the bargaining unit, not just those who are union members. Wages, hours, terms and conditions of employment, grievances and so forth the union must carry out for everyone.
So the issue is not so much “freedom of association” as “free riding.” The union is established in shop by an election and “right to work” laws allow people to get the benefits who do not even choose to pay and agency shop fee.
As I say, this holds for the private sector. Civil service provides much of the on the job protections of a private sector contract and the bargaining process itself is mostly a sham; there’s also no accountability on either side so, as we have seen, in order to gain votes and support politicians agree to pension programs and such whose reckoning can be put off till someone else is in office.
You’re right that the only genuinely closed shop in the US is the Bar, though union shop deals on project labor agreements come really close to closed shops.
That is a nice philosophical argument and at the philosophical level you’re right, but the reality is there is hardly a union in American that even makes an attempt to distinguish between chargeable collective bargaining costs and non-chargeable “social, fraternal, and political” costs. Hell, when the WA Ed Association got taken to court they could only substantiate 17% of their dues going to collective bargaining costs while objectors were being charged 98% of member dues. The unions are simply dishonest about this and blatantly and defiantly so, and with the complicity of every Democrat and all too many Republican governments.
In the public sector, if you give unions a union security clause, before long you have a Socialist Workers Party tightly aligned with and providing the muscle for the Democrats and both dedicated to raiding the Treasury for their respective benefit.
True, the unions are pussies compared to lawyers when it comes to setting up the system to suit themselves … as a lawyer once said to me.
“The unions are simply dishonest about this and blatantly and defiantly so”
I think you mean “the unions are corrupt, racketeer-run protection schemes whose senior members use ‘dues’ to buy politicians and line their own pockets”.
Unions have a purpose or, at least, they did… now they’ve become corrupt, politically partisan mercenaries out for their leader’s interests (all those “corrupt, exploitive” crap they talk about the “1%” is just fine for them).
Wait. You force someone to pay dues to your thugs benevolent association. Force. No choice. And then complain he gets the free benefits of getting to pay for your corrupt mob ridden union bosses. The last time i had that great deal the stupid union went on strike to get bigger christmas bonuses. I quit and got a better job.
The best part was getting out of the lazy slug union atmosphere.
“No one in this country is required to join a union as a condition of employment. That’s called a closed shop and it’s illegal everywhere.”
Really? You should tell those union thugs that they’re protesting a law that does nothing, then. They sure as heck think closed shops are legal.
If you think union thugs don’t intimidate non-union workers into joining you are living in la-la land. In our school district a bully of a football coach who managed to get elected President of the local teachers’ union had everyone scared to death to contradict anything the jackwagon said. This in a rural, fairly conservative neck of the woods.
I try to see the perspective of those who defend the modern day unions in this country, I really do. I just can’t get my head quite that far up my ass.
– Crowder, not a wussy. Fist fight back!
How the heck can anybody support these unions? What foul and evil beasts. Steven you’re a great hero i thank you
the tea party needs to get its ass in gear and fight back. we are loosing and we will never win by playing with the rules our enemy sets up. we use terms like faccist, nazi , brownshirt..etc. but we fail to understand that THIS is the way those terms came to be. hitlet want ‘hitler’ he was a socialist activist, who operated in the same ways as was lennin etc. This is how they come to power. not by a bunch of thugs punchin a comedian, but because the opposition fails to see or refused to believe their eyes. they refuse to fight with their fists and win by any means in exchange for some bullshit moral ‘highground’ that NOBODY but them cares about but them. non violence will not work because the people that are against you are liars and cheaters and thugs and they are PROUD of injuries they cause. we are on the wrong side of history here kids. NOT because we are factually or morally wrong. but because history is written by the winners and we refuse to win. enough with the interviews! enough with the analysis! enough with the tri corner hats and thomas payne quotes. that time has passed. take off the hat, drop the sign or camera get out of the lawn chair and pick up a ‘rifle’ and get in there. im not even saying we have to start the fight, but when one of your own is getting his ass kicked (this keeps happening) fight back and defend him. either prepare to get bloody for freedom , or go home and enjoy your enslavement and think that your petition, or harshly worded sign actually dose something
Says the man hiding behind anonymity.
JMZ, step right up! You’re our next contestant on “Find The Fed”!
(HINT: It’s usually the new guy who’s always on about taking “active measures”…)
“Find the Fed” implies that conservatives are criminals.
Druggies and other such lowlifes are always on the lookout for the Fed or the Narc or whatever the hell it is that the idiots call the cops paid to pursue them nowadays.
We’re the good guys. We shouldn’t think in such terms.
If Nepalitano is sending agents onto forums to manufacture evidence that we conservatives are a bunch of terrorist thugs ala Ayers and company, we should have nothing to worry about because that is not who we are.
Many thanks to Steve – a brave man and a hero for the cause of liberty.
I think kudos are also in order for the Republican governor and politicians who passed the bill. They’re showing the same kind of spunk the Republican voting rights marchers showed in the south. If this keeps up, the Republican brand will once again shine.
Years ago I worked for a large, 3-shift, western Michigan manufacturing plant that, believe it or not, was NOT union. That company treated us excellently and fairly (no doubt to keep the union out!). Once a year the unions were allowed to come into our plant and try to recruit us. Anyone interested could go listen to what they had to say in their meeting, and they also handed out literature. They had NOTHING to offer that we didn’t already have! When we politely told them “Thanks but no thanks” they threatened us as they were leaving, saying they should come and slit all our tires, plus several other threats, mumbled but audible. Oh yeah, THAT really made us want to jump right up and join them! After that, the company started locking the parking lot gates 24/7 and posted a guard in the parking lot for several months thereafter. That was my experience with unions!
Probably not a union guy. Probably just someone who saw that picture of how hot Crowder’s wife is.
I run a small business, and if I can ever get it big enough to hire some people, I want those excellent examples of democracy, freedom and intelligent thought in my work place (NOT!!!)