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Sticking It to Car Nazis

March 14th, 2013 - 8:52 am

Peter De Lorenzo on supercars:

Manufacturers are perfectly capable of throwing vast quantities of money around to develop a supercar. But what if, instead of the coterie of $1 million supercars we’re seeing now, we had a new wave of supercars designed around the elegant simplicity of an advantageous power-to-weight ratio?

“Simplify, then add lightness,” famed Lotus designer Colin Chapman once said. Known for his visionary racing and street car designs, Chapman exploited the concept of an advantageous power-to-weight ratio time and time again, often resulting in brilliantly innovative – and winning – solutions that made history.

A supercar based on the concept of exploiting an advantageous power-to-weight ratio would do wonders to advance the cause of our future mainstream automobiles. And even though the current supercar manufacturers can point to the strides made in reducing the weight of these new high-performance machines – especially McLaren – the fact remains that redefining the concept entirely would result in even more gains.

Let’s take power, for instance. Instead of the usual gamut of V6s, V8s and V12s, I’d like to see these next wave ultra-high-performance machines powered by smaller displacement 3- and 4-cylinder engines of no more than 2.0-liters delivering 300-350HP. With that – and thanks to their lightweight (2100 lbs.) specification target – these machines could deliver blistering performance close to the current stable of ultimate supercars, while using demonstrably less fuel.

Redefining the supercar equation would allow auto manufacturers to translate lessons learned from these radical next-think supercars to the vehicles we will eventually drive too. Imagine the average 4,000-lb. luxury sedan weighing in at 3,000 lbs. Or a crossover that formerly weighed 5,000 lbs., tilting the scales at just 3,500 lbs.

Yes. This. Exactly.

The fun-to-drive quotient of low weight to high power must be ruthlessly exploited for and by the masses, or CAFE will take all the fun out of driving.

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I dunno. I used to own a Fiat. Italian cars were known then for having electrical problems. mine sure did. They go tthe extra power by running too hot and burning out.
I dunno. I used to own a Fiat. Italian cars were known then for having electrical problems. mine sure did. They go tthe extra power by running too hot and burning out.
9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 20:23:01 PDT 2013 1
9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 20:23:01 PDT 2013 1
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I know it sounds ridiculous to serious car folk, but this explains _exactly_ how I feel about my 2005 Mini Cooper. At 115 HP, it sounds decidedly granny-esque, but you put that engine on a car that weighs in at 2350 lbs, has a center of gravity just about exactly at the fuel pedal, a ragtop, and a turning radius tight enough it can nearly pirouette, and that's a deeply fun ride.
I know it sounds ridiculous to serious car folk, but this explains _exactly_ how I feel about my 2005 Mini Cooper. At 115 HP, it sounds decidedly granny-esque, but you put that engine on a car that weighs in at 2350 lbs, has a center of gravity just about exactly at the fuel pedal, a ragtop, and a turning radius tight enough it can nearly pirouette, and that's a deeply fun ride.
9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 19:16:30 PDT 2013 1
9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 19:16:30 PDT 2013 1
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Two things. First: While I'm a big advocate of light, powerful cars, it is virtually impossible to build a new car that weighs less than 3,000 lbs these days. That's why even with the complete phone book of exotic composites and manufacturing technologies, current supercars are quite heavy compared to the superlights of the 60s and 70s. The reason for that: Regulation, followed closely by standardization. Nobody makes a car that can't be sold in every possible market these days. That means any given car must conform to everything under the sun, US, Europe and Asia. Any way you cut it, that's gonna be heavy.

Lotus is the only company around making a sports car that weighs less than 2,500 lbs, and they get away with it via a number of low production volume waivers to the more idiotic of those regulations.... (show more)
Two things. First: While I'm a big advocate of light, powerful cars, it is virtually impossible to build a new car that weighs less than 3,000 lbs these days. That's why even with the complete phone book of exotic composites and manufacturing technologies, current supercars are quite heavy compared to the superlights of the 60s and 70s. The reason for that: Regulation, followed closely by standardization. Nobody makes a car that can't be sold in every possible market these days. That means any given car must conform to everything under the sun, US, Europe and Asia. Any way you cut it, that's gonna be heavy.

Lotus is the only company around making a sports car that weighs less than 2,500 lbs, and they get away with it via a number of low production volume waivers to the more idiotic of those regulations.

Second, light is nice, but power matters. One of my cars is, in fact, a highly modified Lotus Elise. It weighs around 1,800 lbs thanks to some additional lightening, and chucks out around 350 horsepower, thanks to a significant amount of turbocharging. Now, it is quick, and quite a lot of fun to drive, but it is nothing like as fast as the current crop of supercars.

Another little issue, even with light weight, is the complete lack of torque produced by tiny engines. While light cars need less of it, you still need quite a lot more than you're going to get out of a tiny displacement 2-4 cylinder engine for the thing to be anything like drivable on the street.

While revving a tiny engine until the valves come out and dance on the hood is fun and all, it does get old when you need 8,000 rpm to get on the highway, and then 4,000 to maintain 75 mph. (show less)
9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 10:00:15 PDT 2013 1
9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 10:00:15 PDT 2013 1
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I've got doubts about the 2L 350HP engine, too. While they're doing marvelous things with transmissions these days, does it really make sense to take weight out of the engine just to move it to the 21-speed slushbox you'd need to get it away from the red light?


I've got doubts about the 2L 350HP engine, too. While they're doing marvelous things with transmissions these days, does it really make sense to take weight out of the engine just to move it to the 21-speed slushbox you'd need to get it away from the red light?

9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 13:04:17 PDT 2013 1
9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 13:04:17 PDT 2013 1
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Don't forget Caterham.
Don't forget Caterham.
9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 10:59:32 PDT 2013 1
9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 10:59:32 PDT 2013 1
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While I love them to pieces, they're sold as kit cars in the US to side step exactly the same regulations and general insanity. See also: Atom, eleventy billion Cobra replicas, etc.

To my knowledge Lotus is the only one selling anything with a VIN and registration as such that is anything like that light. The Fiat 500 Abarth is the runner up at ~2,600 lbs.
While I love them to pieces, they're sold as kit cars in the US to side step exactly the same regulations and general insanity. See also: Atom, eleventy billion Cobra replicas, etc.

To my knowledge Lotus is the only one selling anything with a VIN and registration as such that is anything like that light. The Fiat 500 Abarth is the runner up at ~2,600 lbs.
9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 12:05:52 PDT 2013 1
9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 12:05:52 PDT 2013 1
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Unfortunately, there is more than just CAFE that is killing the automobile. Getting lighter cars is going to be somewhat problematic, in that airbags, antilock brakes, side-impact beams, catalytic converters, roof panels and support pillars that have to withstand 5 times the weight of the vehicle all add weight, and you can't take it away. Great Daddy Government says you can't sell a car in this country without those things.
Unfortunately, there is more than just CAFE that is killing the automobile. Getting lighter cars is going to be somewhat problematic, in that airbags, antilock brakes, side-impact beams, catalytic converters, roof panels and support pillars that have to withstand 5 times the weight of the vehicle all add weight, and you can't take it away. Great Daddy Government says you can't sell a car in this country without those things.
9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 09:33:21 PDT 2013 1
9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 09:33:21 PDT 2013 1
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Yup. I drive a 19-year-old mid-size SUV, with better gas mileage, off-road capability, towing capacity, and cargo space than any current mid-size SUV. And the acceleration and handling at least matches what's out there now after a miniscule amount of tuning.

The trick is that its curb weight is a little over 3000 lbs, and all the newer ones weigh in at around 5000. It also has a smaller frontal area due to a generally more efficient frame and interior design. I have to live without 21-way powered seats and the automatic heated bidet, but I'm willing to make that sacrifice for the improvement in overall utility. The engine also gets along without the later emissions requirements, which seem to reduce mileage by a good 5% to 10% (in order to get a 5% reduction in emissions--please 'splain to me how that makes... (show more)
Yup. I drive a 19-year-old mid-size SUV, with better gas mileage, off-road capability, towing capacity, and cargo space than any current mid-size SUV. And the acceleration and handling at least matches what's out there now after a miniscule amount of tuning.

The trick is that its curb weight is a little over 3000 lbs, and all the newer ones weigh in at around 5000. It also has a smaller frontal area due to a generally more efficient frame and interior design. I have to live without 21-way powered seats and the automatic heated bidet, but I'm willing to make that sacrifice for the improvement in overall utility. The engine also gets along without the later emissions requirements, which seem to reduce mileage by a good 5% to 10% (in order to get a 5% reduction in emissions--please 'splain to me how that makes sense), and oh yeah--no airbags. But airbags add only a tiny improvement in safety if you're already strapped in.

If you ask me, automotive design has been completely ruined by "amenities", and mileage has been ruined by emissions and "safety" regulations.

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9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 08:39:29 PDT 2013 1
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what? no 47 cup holders? and you call yourself an american. the shame.
what? no 47 cup holders? and you call yourself an american. the shame.
9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 09:01:44 PDT 2013 1
9 weeks ago Thu Mar 14 09:01:44 PDT 2013 1
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