A deal has been made.
UPDATE: The Hill confirms.
Also, remember that this thing still isn’t reconciled, and the Senate GOP claims that it can’t get through reconciliation.
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This ain’t over yet. Not by a mile. Not by a million.
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March 21, 2010 - 1:50 pm
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If the Senate bill passes the House, it’s over regardless of what happens to Reconciliation
Looks like it is over … It is over, it will become law … Healthagedon have come !
this will become law, only solution is november
Of course it’s over. The House will pass their reconciliation bill, knowing full well that it won’t even make it to the floor in the Senate. They will then pass the Senate bill, which Obama will sign. The Senate will then quietly fail to take up the reconciliation bill. There being no reconciliation bill, there will be no need for an executive order, and there the matter will end.
Stupak and Nelson will lose their respective elections in November, and be appointed to cushy jobs in the executive branch, where they will live happily ever after.
– not all States hold their primaries in June. Still time to run, even before November. Even where it is too late to file, write-in candidates are permitted.
It has been reported on Fox and other news networks that if the Bill passes it will be ready for the Presidents signature tonight. If President Obama signs the Bill after the House vote it will become law. The only question that remains is will it be a legitimate law? There will be a hurricane of lawsuits and filings on all kinds of points and to add to that will be is this Bill the same one that the Senate passed? As far as I have been able to determine it is not. I hope hat the Supreme Court takes this up as an emergency measure and bypasses the lower courts. The Supreme Court does not usually weigh in until the lower courts have ruled on any issue but they might just do this anyway. Remember the Entire Supreme Court was dissed in the State of the Union. That is the way the justices will remeber it. They might just take this opportunity to school the “Constitutional Law Professor” and vote as a whole to strike this law down to show the President they are none too pleased with him. The Supreme Court is made up of Human Beings and they jealously gaurd their position as the Highest Court in the Land and the Third Branch of Government.
Congratulations Americans! Today you all became liabilities for the State to manage. Your health, what used to be your personal lifestyle choices now all fall under the scope and scrutiny of “for the greater good”.
Isn’t it funny how people on the left always start out by saying how they have to help you with your problems and every-single-time, you become the problem?
I’m hoping that the Senate will want to make noises over the bill and sit on it a day or two before sending it anywhere. The House Reconciliation bill (which the repubs say is illegal anyway) has about as much chance in the Senate as a snowflake does in the summer.
Anyway, this delay will give the repubs and states time to formulate plans and/or bills and vote against implementation of this monstrosity in their states. This bill is clearly unconstitutional in that it forces citizens to purchase insurance or be fined.
That is blackmail,theft and downright robbery by the Government. I’m thinking that tax evasion will become the next thing in civil disobedience.
Papa Ray
Andrew is exactly right. All the reconciliation “talk” was just that….talk, meant to distract attention from what’s really coming down. Senate bill, Cornhusker Kickback et. al. will now become the law of the land. The challenges will be unimportant since they’ll take so long to be decided that our “new world order” will be fait accompli. Perhaps this is inevitable in a country where 1/2 the population is contributing ZERO to support the cost of everything “our representatives” are giving us….paid for by the other 1/2….or borrowed from China.
Now Dear Liar is touting “immigration reform;” He’s going to have the Senate focus on that rather than reconciliation.
“Oh, sorry about that, House Democrats, we’re busy on something else at the moment.”
UGH
The question is …
When the IRS and the government begin to prosecute your neighbors for non-compliance, will you stand with your neighbors, protecting them from government violence, oppression and prosecution…or will you hide behind your curtains, hoping that the SWAT teams don’t kick down your own doors?
Men who live in fear of their own government are slaves.
The lawsuits at various stages in the courts the parlimentary and point of order arguments plus the folks who will have time to really pick apart the numbers and the republicans campaigning will keep this issue front and center till November. The American public will want to punish the Social Democrats just for making us talk about HCR and listen to Obama prattle about it for 20 months.
The first commenter Doug Mataconia is right. Once the Senate bill is approved by the House, regardless of the reconciliation bill’s prior approval, the Senate bill as passed by both House & Senate will be presented to the President for his signature. I imagine he will sign it an uncharacteristic alacrity. Thence it’s the law of the land, subject to whatever holes may be punched through it by years of litigation in the federal courts.
http://www.repealit.org
Someone’s just registered the “repealobamacare” Blogger account. I just registered “repealthebill.” I hereby give up the job hunt. I’ll live off my meager rental income to get this thing killed.
Toto, I think we’re not in the United States of America anymore.
Here’s hoping the legal challenges will be the ruby slippers that take us back home.
Well, time to place my bank account offshore and prepare to practice medicine outside of the United States as soon as I can get out of the army. The only way I will stay in the US is if this legislation is repealed in toto. I will not stay in a country that uses my tax dollars to pay for the murder of the unborn, nor will I continue as a physician in a country that expects me to be a slave.
Stupak proves that there is no such thing as a ‘moderate’ democrat. These socialists do not deserve US citizenship.
To combine 2 events, (one fictional, one non-fictional) “Sic Semper Tyrannus!” and “Wolverines!!!”. Meh. To think it would come to this again.
Folks, it is time to Go Galt. Do everything in your power, without breaking the law, to cut down on your taxable income. Starve the beast.
By God, we need to have 20,000,000 people march through Washington with torches, pitchforks, tar, and feathers. Which blogger will put out the call?
The next libertarian who tells me there’s no difference between Democrats and Republicans better not expect to breathing out his nose afterward.
I have a dream…What if all tax-PAYING (not tax-taking) citizens refused to pay their income taxes for 2009 in one giant act of civil disobedience? (Not to be confused with outright fraud ala Geithner and Rangel?) Then we could all march on Washington D.C. OR our local state capitals as a stand-in for the Feds, with signs that read “Head on a Stick!” OK, that is a joke, but the sentiment is quite real. All the Democrats and Obama have done is awaken a sleeping giant. Hell hath no fury like a PTA volunteer scorned!
Andrew Koenig is, sadly, right. This is over: the House has passed the Senate version of Obamacare. Tomorrow, Obama signs it, and it becomes law.
Next, the reconciliation charade begins, and will end in a month or so with no amendments being enacted, and the D’s blaming the R’s for the crooked mess they enacted in the first place.
Finally, the courts will look at the Stupak sham (i.e. the executive order Obama promised Stupak in exchange for his yes vote today) and throw it out, since it is long settled that the president can’t override congress by executive order.
Visiting again for this historic occasion.
“Andrew Koenig is, sadly, right. This is over: the House has passed the Senate version of Obamacare. Tomorrow, Obama signs it, and it becomes law.”
True.
It will stay law.
No nation repeals healthcare, and every democratic or industrialized nation had it except ours.
You fought the bad fight, and you lost.
You fought common morality long and hard and finally failed.
Canadians remember Tommy Douglas, the man who led the fight to bring health care reform to Canada, as one of the greatest Canadians who ever lived.
http://www.cbc.ca/greatest/top_ten/index.html
Obama, and the Democrats in general, can expect a similar place in our history.
22. Jan, you’re delusional
Sad to say, this can’t be undone in November. No matter the size of the landslide, there won’t be 67 votes in the Senate to override Obama’s veto of any bill repealing this.
Janus, unlike most here I’m actually okay with universal insurance. But how can you defend the way this is-funded/pretends-to-be-funded? Especially this business of paying for healthcare with special taxes that only apply to companies that make medical devices. Higher taxes for manufacturing MRI machines than for making dildos and Big Macs? Incredible!
Ok, Time for a thought experiment.
Youre 6 years old.
Its December 2nd, and everyone is telling you that “santa” is coming real soon and he brings lots of gifts and good cheer to children. You say “wow! thats great! I cant wait” and day after day you sit and wait for this magical event to come. You see the words “Merry Christmas” everywhere. You go to the mall to sit on the lap of the big jolly man himself, just so your mom can get a picture of you.
“evidence” you assume.
Your hip. youre happy. Santa is coming! Everyone loves Santa, right? who doesn’t love Santa? You get lots of stuff for free just for being nice! How could anyone disagree with that! In fact, you would go so far as to hate anyone who tells you that there is no Santa. “There must be something wrong with those people” you say around the playground.
December 25th comes. you run downstairs, you open your gifts.
Socks, shirts, a couple of games. WTF?
Youre pissed. Wheres the Xbox? Wheres the electric bike and scooter? Thats what I asked Santa for? You promised! Santa does good things for good boys and girls.
Your mom cries and then your dad takes you aside and explains that there just isn’t enough money to get all of the kids in the family an Xbox and things are a little tight this year.
Santa, as it turns out, isn’t some magical man living at the North Pole who slides down the chimney, hes just your mom and dad, and you just ruined their whole day because youre an ungrateful little bastard.
See kids, the moral of the story here is that the Democrats have promised one whole hell of a lot of gifts in this particular Christmas season and theres a whole hell of a lot of people out there that are going to find that despite all that they have heard about health care suddenly being available for everyone, not very much healthwise has actually changed for them. Paying alot for health care today? be prepared to pay even more and get less. Not getting health care now? youre not going to get it now either because the fine print of the bill? it doesnt actually add any new doctors to the wide world of medicine( little detail…), all it does is pay the exiting ones less, which is sure to make them want to go to work on Saturdays.
If youre expecting an Xbox from Santa and you get a sweater from Aunt Margaret, you might be juuust a little pissed.
On the other hand, after this bill if you are expecting just to be left alone ( because you have health insurance and you like it, which describes about 260 million Americans today) and instead you get stuck with a big ass bill for all the new people and then your employer dumps you from your current plan and you get placed into the new form of medicare, well let’s just say youre going be something just slightly to the north of pissed off.
The beautiful thing about this whole plan is that we know exactly who to blame for this years crappy Christmas. Because they cant stop patting themselves on the back for this great feat they should be easy to find for the coming ‘tar and feather’ festival to be held in November.
Congrats Democrats, youve proven yourselves to be everything I ever thought of you, but your about 30 years and 2 trillion dollars too late getting to the prom.
Oh, and I would like to point out one more thing while I go. Remember the State of the Union speech this year? I remember it because in that speech I saw something happen that I never thought I’d ever see. What I saw was the the President and the Congress publically admonishing a third, and yet co-equal, branch of government.
Basically, one political party decided to score political points against a group of people who were invited to attend the speech without thinking that someday soon that said same group of people might be important in the near future.
Well, it occurs to me all of a sudden that there is a fair number of things in this “finely crafted historic bill” that are going to undergo a fair amount of judicial review.
This “judicial review” will of course be carried out by that one remaining branch of government that is not a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party. You know, the one that was sitting in the audience at the State of the Union speech getting its pant legs pissed on by the President.
Payback, besides being a bitch, apparently wears a black robe.
Heh.
Folks, the game aint over. Sit tight, make popcorn, set the barcolounger on stun because its just about to start getting real fun.
The smart Canadians I read damn the day Tommy Douglas was born. The CBC is a joke, and only lefties put any stock in their drivel. Like Mark Steyn says, under Canadian health care everyone gets the same, crappy care, except for the elites and those with connections to help move them up in the waiting lines. It was funny a couple years ago when a Great Falls, MT hospital helped a woman give birth to quadruplets when Calgary couldn’t handle it. Great Falls has a population of about 60,000, and Calgary is about a million souls.
Hey, the “youth” vote elected Obama, so now they get to pay the bills in about ten years.
Too bad!
This ain’t over yet. Not by a mile. Not by a million.
Stephen,
While I appreciate your optimism, I don’t share it. If memory serves, reconciliation only applies to passed legislation, i.e. actual laws. Even if the Senate fails at reconciliation, Obamacare is still the law of the land. And the failure of reconciliation will be blamed on those nasty, icky Republicans.
Reconciliation in the Senate only requires 51 votes, there’s no filibuster. The Fascist-Democratic leadership is going to drop reconciliation in favor of doing other “important” legislation such as immigration reform (amnesty) & cap’n'trade. They’ll just say there isn’t time for reconciliation and hope to distract us with other battles.
If we ever bring up reconciliation, say over the summer, they’ll just retort “why are you talking about the past, we have Goebbels Warmening to worry about, we need to worry about the future, not the past.”
American democracy is dead. The MURDERERS are Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and Emanuel. May they ROT IN HELL!
March 21, 2010 will go down in history as Unholy Sunday – The day that the Democrats pulled off the mask and identified themselves as the Socialist Party. Today Obama will sign their death warrant.
A Chicago cadre of neo-communist zealots, backed by fewer than 10% of the electorate who are openly Socialist, have flatly ignored the will of over 55% of voters, and corruptly foisted Socialized Medicine on the Nation – the first step in their agenda for a Stalin/Mao/Castro-style system of rule.
The rat is out of the bag. The Socialist Democrats have created a disastrous mess, but Americans will not accept Radical Socialism. Like Icarus, their euphoric hubris will lead to their death.
The Democrats cheering the HCR “victory” as captured by hidden camera…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueuauKKjPZI&feature=related
This is pretty much done. If the Dems can keep this together long enough, it will be considered an entitlement. People will figure they’ve got it coming to them, and repealing it will be as unthinkable as repealing Medicare or Social Security. Regardless of how intrusive it is or how fiscally ruinous. And its going to be hard to run against an existing healthcare plan. All the arguements for the Republicans are statistical or legalistic. All the pro-health reform are about sick poor people and little orphans.
Hooray!
Unlike the Palins, we won’t have to go to Canada for health care.
People will need a day or (for the very stupid) a year to realize how much the Republicans lied.
Then, Democrats forever!
Thank God!!
Never, ever will you ever see..
Cause of death: Lack of insurance.
#23 and #35: Janus Daniels:
If you think that the truly awful Canadian healthcare system is so good, please move there and experience it for yourself. I doubt if you’ve experienced it. If you have, you you got good service, you’re very lucky. Most do not. My daughter in-law’s family moved to the US from Canada to escape the system that prevented their child from getting adequate healthcare. The number of Canadians who run to the US to get healthcare is staggering. But the best example are the Canadians who sued their government over the total failure of their healthcare system to deliver critical care in time, prompting the Canadian high court to rule that “Access to a line is not the same as access to healthcare.”
Besides, the nonsense that the House and Senate passed is nothing like the Canadian system, so comparisons are useless.
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The so-called benefits of this new law will not take effect for several years, but the taxes and other drains on the economy will take effect almost immediately. That means that the law will be a drag on an already existing economy. For example, companies with more than 53 employees may decide that they don’t want the added problems that go with being a “big business”, and they may simply layoff a few workers to get under the limit. Young families that are already at the breaking point financially may find that the new insurance requirements (or fines) will break their budget or cause them to make difficult choices that affect the local economy. Couples that currently work hard to make $250,000 a year may feel picked on and decide to avoid the new taxes by reducing their stress, cutting back on new projects, and reduce their pay to get under the limit. A lot of companies will see that under the new law hiring employees is even more of a burden that it is now, and so they will speed up their plans to off-shore work or only hire contract workers — leaving healthcare and other expenses for the workers to pay.
Bottom line: in the short term, the healthcare law threatens an already fragile economy and provides no immediate benefits. If the economic recovery slips after passing this mess, Democrats won’t have to worry about the election in 2010: Democrats and their lobbyist friends will be hanging from lampposts all the way from the Capitol building to the Smithsonian.
@35 Janus, you have your facts wrong. The Palins did not go to Canada for their health care. The Heaths did a few times — when Sarah Heath was a little girl. And that’s because it was the only reliable way to get healthcare. They couldn’t get to a doctor’s office in Alaska.
See, e.g.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/sarah-palin/7409555/Sarah-Palins-family-sought-health-care-in-Canada.html
And they paid out of pocket.
i have added you to my badass column. BOOM!
Instead what we’ll see is a lot of
Cause of death: WAITING FOR AN MRI.
It’s Tuesday afternoon and we haven’t heard from the VP since Sunday evening.
Maybe he curled up with one of these.
JLW III
I haven’t been able to have a drink in 8 years (toxic reaction). Please have a double dry Ketel-Phire Martini up for me. 1/2 Ketel One, 1/2 Bombay Sapphire, hold the f**king veggies. Guaranteed to cure what ails you.
Cheers.