Outside the blogosphere, is there any Left left anywhere at all?
TO: Stephen Green
….I was just talking about this with the distaff.
My explanation is that most of them suffer from ‘adult’ onset Attention Deficit Disorder.
Libral talk radio dies on its feet because their target audience can’t listen to anything more than a 120-second sound-bite. If it cannot be expressed in gut-feeling within two minutes, they can’t follow it….all that well. And therefore, they get bored and tune in some music.
And if they change the subject and start screaming about IT, instead….well….one can only take so much vitriol at one time. Even if you agree with it.
["Progressive" is just another word for nothing left to lose.]
I was really surprised at the Kos book.
Makes you wonder how many Kossacks there actually are (never mind the traffic numbers, to how many viewers is the Daily Kos important? How many take the trouble to post?).
TO: tim maguire
RE: The Kossack
They ['progressives'] probably can’t read all that well in the first place. As in hold a train of thought for more than a few minutes. Let alone carry on a cogent discussion about the material they’ve read.
I consider myself an independant moderate (socially liberal). That said, I read more ‘conservative’ blogs than ‘liberal’ ones, mainly to get an opposing viewpoint and another perspective on things.
I find the ‘liberal’ blogs (especially dailykos) to be over-the-top alarmist and conspiracy-theory oriented. They are boring. Also, they are very pro-democrat.. lately my feeling is that both parties stink and neither has the nation’s best interests at heart.
Why aren’t the ‘progressive’ blogs as popular as conservative blogs? It could be that the target audience just isn’t as interested in political punditry. Compare how well conservative talk radio and TV programs have done with liberal talk radio. There are no ‘liberal’ pundits as successful as Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reiley, etc. Who represents the left as powerfully as those represent the right? John Stewart? Al Franken? If the market demand for ‘liberal’ talk was as strong as it is for ‘conservative’ talk, Air America might actually get some ratings.
P.S., Limbaugh, O’Reily, and Hannity are hypocritical windbags, but I have to admit their shows offer more compelling radio than anything Air America has to offer. For myself, I’ll stick with Howard Stern.
The loony left is everywhere, so why spend money on another source whose opinions are available free 24/7.
The reason conservative books and talk shows do well is that the conservative point of view is missing in the larger world. Fox News was there for a while, but now that the sheik bought into Murdoch, Fox, other than Brit Hume, is no better than the nets.
RE: Fox [S]News
Fox is nothing more than People magazine these days.
Hardly worth the effort to vist their web-site.
[We report. You snooze....]
As much as I want to believe that the low KOS book numbers are correct I have a hard time squaring “only 3,630 copies” sold with the very high Amazon.com sales rank (#26).
Anybody have more sources on this one?
I’ll guess that Nielsen looks at physical stores, and Amazon doesn’t get included. This could map into the highly net focused audience, so that the dailykos folks would mostly look to Amazon as the place to get books.
It is interesting, however, to see that conservative/libertarian Internet books tend to not only do impressive sell through on Amazon but also in the real world.
RE: Say WHAT??!?!
“…I have a hard time squaring “only 3,630 copies” sold with the very high Amazon.com sales rank (#26).
Anybody have more sources on this one?” — JA
What’s the source of YOUR report?
I’m looking at Amazon’s Top Sellers list and #26 is….the envelope pulease….
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…and it ain’t by the chief Kossack.
A blog that might be of interest to you and the readers – http://junkdrawer.typepad.com/
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Our “chief Kossack” is currently at #17.
And for a true comparison, how many books as instapundit sold?
RE: Updated Info
Thanks for the information…..
The People ain’t got time to read, man!
They don’t got no time to listen to no jive radio!
They’re in the street, man! Taking it to the Man, man! Speaking Truth to Power, Man!
I will toast to the death of the Left-left and the Right-right. Maybe we can get back to the sane/insane divide.
Are you referring to the crotchless left?
From allegation to refutation in 8 seconds. Ain’t Google grand? Kos at 11 and still climbing… and not a single Bushvoter in the top sellers:
Amazon.com: Top Sellers
“11. Crashing the Gate: Netroots, Grassroots, and the Rise of People-Powered Politics
by Jerome Armstrong, Markos Moulitsas Zuniga
Average Customer Review:
4.5 out of 5 stars
List Price: $25.00
You Save: $10.00 (40%)
Used & new from $14.95″
How about PBS? How about the colleges or the majority of foundations seeded with the dollars of wealth dead capitalists? Their is plenty of Left left.
I think the Amazon list is for hourly sales. Which is why Kos’ book is at 33 right now.
TO: JA, Jediflyer & Pro Libertate
RE: Do Tell
“I think the Amazon list is for hourly sales. Which is why Kos’ book is at 33 right now.” — Pro Liberatate
I think you’re onto something there, PL.
P.S. Looks like Drudges item is the best thing that has happened to Kos’ book-writing career….
All hail Matt Drudge! “King Maker”!
[quote]“The demos are better, and listeners trust AIR AMERICA to give them the real truth on issues and the Bush presidency,” says the insider.[/quote]
Yeah, both of them
RE: Amazon.Com Status Update
Currently it’s at 49…and apparently falling.
You Kossacks better go out and buy some more copies. Give em to your friends. Or use them as paperweights/doorstops/kindling.
P.S. What was I saying earlier about ‘short attention spans’?
Considering that Kos is outselling Insty and Hugh based on the same metrics Drudge cites, maybe Vodka should have asked “is there and Right left”?
Considering that the Amazon.Com ranking seems to be based on hourly sales, as opposed to cummulative ones, I think the Kossacks here, trying to hype the ranking on Amazon.Com are playing a CON game.
Dudes – I gave you a link. Click on it. On the “internets” we have these things called “URLs” which allow you, not only to make an assertion, but to instantly support it… like this, from the Center for American Progress:
“Understanding Mobility in America
by Tom Hertz, American University
April 26, 2006
Read the full report (PDF)
This report discusses two aspects of economic mobility in the United States. The first is the question of intergenerational mobility, or the degree to which the economic success of children is independent of the economic status of their parents. A higher level of intergenerational mobility is often interpreted as a sign of greater fairness, or equality of opportunity, in a society.
The second aspect is the short-term question of the amount by which family incomes change from year to year. By studying short-term mobility we can determine whether incomes are rising or falling for families at different points in the income distribution…”
By international standards, the United States has an unusually low level of intergenerational mobility: our parents
Guys, even Glenn Reynolds admists Drudge screwed this story…
But you can NEVER go wrong ragging on Air America…
RE: Amazon.Com Update
People must be taking my advice….
….it’s back up to #29.
drudge’s claim was based not on amazon ranking but bookscan numbers. according to those same numbers, kos’ book has sold (marginally) more copies than reynolds’, despite having been on the market half as long. any chance of a retraction?
TO: belle waring
RE: Army of Davids vs. Crashing….
Would you have a source we can see that says Kos is doing better than the Instapundit?
click on the hyperlinked word in my comment: “numbers.”
In a short book for AEI, Charles Murray analyzed income data for a large sample of full biological siblings (who of course share familial socioeconomic status).
His analysis showed that the differences in adult SES were closely related to individual differences in measured IQ. It would follow that the high heritability of IQ cuts against the assumption that more intergenerational mobility is somehow “fairer.”
ummm, not to badger anyone, but…any thoughts on having the original premise of the drudge article decisively refuted? surely this is worth a mention, given that insty himself has posted on the subject?