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Did you expect anything else from the Breck Girl?
Is there anyone left in the Democratic Party who isn’t an opportunist?
Besides DINOs and Lieberman and Zell, that is.
I actually read this differently. Unlike Kerry or some others, Edwards seems to be specifically disavowing the “Bush Lied” slur. Instead, he’s blaming his vote on the CIA failure, which is actually pretty reasonable. If he had known the true state of WMD in Iraq, I don’t doubt that he might very well have voted against the war. The rest of it’s pretty much useless, wishing to declare victory before victory has actually been acheived, but I dont see anything explicitly cowardly.
It’s sad that we’ve gotten to the point where mere fecklessness rather than outright mendacity marks one as a reasonable member of the opposition party, but there it is.
Where is the “lie” or “lies” in that column?
Nobody except for Team Bush apologists want us to stay in Iraq.
It is a disaster – we should end it. But that would mean Bush would have to accept responsibility for this folly, and that will *never* happen.
MP, do you mind me tweaking your second sentence?
“Nobody, except for those who care about human rights, human liberty, democracy, peace, stability, terrorism and western civilization want us to stay in Iraq.”
There, I think with that one small change, it stands as a pretty strong accurate statement.
Heh.
Byrd, you’re welcome to “tweak” my input, though if that was what I wanted to say, I’d have said it myself.
See, I care about all those things, but I do not think American armed forces should stay in Iraq any longer than the upcoming elections.
After all, we’ve seen Cheney report that the “insurgency” is in is last throes. I say, let’s all agree on that, turn the defense of Iraq over to all those Iraqi soldiers that Team Bush says can fight on their own.
How about letting the Iraqi population decide for itself? We’ve already shown that national elections are possible in Iraq. A greater percentage of people vote there than in America.
How about we add a referendum to the December elections to let the Iraqis vote on whether American troops should stay?
John Edwards is a gutless little bitch, but I already knew that. I can imagine the tears welling up in his eyes as he types out “Halliburton”.
Midweek Projectionist, I think you have some good ideas. Let the Iraqis vote on the activities of the U.S. Military! Let’s ask the Chinese to approve our naval research budget! Let’s take a poll and see if the residents of Berkeley want to ban deoderant! This referendum stuff really works.
We are going to bring democracy and responsible government to the Arabs whether they like it or not. We must, because the world can no longer afford to tolerate delusional, psychotic regimes that oppress their people, thus making them seek excuses for their oppression. It’s not us. It’s their own governments. When Arabs feel they have a stake in their own government, they are more likely to channel their discontent into improvements in their own societies. The way it is now, the more oppressed they feel, they more they are gullible to notions that the West is somehow to blame. I’m tired of it. We are not the evil of the world. The Iraqis are showing the world that they want to control their own destiny. We have given them that opportunity, and I am very proud of our country for having done so. If it pisses off the Dems, I couldn’t care less. They sold out years ago to identity politics and eternal victimhood. Enough.
Rob, I was going to comment on this – but you did a good job on the first sentence alone. I tend to be “dramatic and long winded”
John Edwards is a gutless little bitch pretty much summarizes it. Although Stephen’s goddamn lying coward is also pretty good.
Actually what pisses me off most about Edwards is not Edwards himself but the MSM not looking into his attorney career. Johnny made millions off ob/gyn doctors saying they were the cause of cerebral palsy. All the newest studies that have come out is that 99% of the time, it is genectic. This was never questioned when he was running. The question “Senator Edwards, if it is proven that cerebral palsy is genectic, will you return the millions to the insurance companies ? ” was never asked. grrrrrrrr
MP is a “progressive” who cares about human liberty? Since every “progressive” I’ve ever met uses the p-word, like “liberal,” as a warm-and-fuzzy code word for “statist,” my reaction, like the Duke’s in THE SEARCHERS, is: “That’ll be the day.”
It’s funny that “progressives” heap so much scorn on the Iraqi elections, the Afghani elections, and the emergence of representative governments where brutal dictatorships used to be.
I’m an ex-liberal. I thought liberals cared about human rights. It’s all talk; that’s all it ever was.
I love this:
>Too many mistakes have already
>been made for this to be easy.
So if creating a secular democracy in the Middle East is, you know, difficult well, that’s just another thing we can blame Chimpy for.
The “My vote was wrong because I was lied to” theme is becoming so widespread that I wonder if it isn’t part of a coordinated effort. (Does does that sound paranoid?)
Moreover, I have to wonder if it wasn’t the plan all along. Vote for the war so as not to look weak on defense, and if it goes well, share in the glory. If it looks like it is going badly, well, we were totally lied to by our album covers.
It may be worthwhile, as Midwestern Progressive suggests, that we put the “stay or go” question to the Iraqi people. Indications are most of them realize it would be a disaster if we left now so why not get their seal of approval? After all, it’s their country.
But as to his statement that only Bush apologists want the troops to stay, I think it’s more the opposite. I know of no sane responsible person who wants to pull them out now.
Rob evidently does not believe the administration when they say (now, at least) that the Iraq war is going to bring democracy to these oppressed citizens.
Here are a few of the most blatant lies made by Edwards:
Last I heard, the elected Iraqi government wants us to stay for now. If there were a majority who wanted us to leave *now* I think we’d be hearing about it. They have politics over there, too, you know.
Does anyone think that the Iraqi people *like* us being there? No one I know. But that’s not the same question, is it.
The progressive’s great fear is actually that we will not leave Iraq before we succeed.
Just like last year, his plan is essentially the Bush plan, plus the clueless notion that the world wants to help us, if only the cowboy got out of the way.
“After all, we’ve seen Cheney report that the “insurgency” is in is last throes. I say, let’s all agree on that, turn the defense of Iraq over to all those Iraqi soldiers that Team Bush says can fight on their own.
How about letting the Iraqi population decide for itself? We’ve already shown that national elections are possible in Iraq. A greater percentage of people vote there than in America.”
I think I’ve seen this before. Is this the part where the Democratic Party feigns care for the South Vietnamese, and then cuts off all aid to our allies, who are on the verge of getting back on their feet?
During his presidency, William Jefferson Clinton sent United States military forces to attack or threaten Iraq on at least TEN separate occasions, without requesting the further authorization of Congress, or the United Nations. In effect, we have been at war with Iraq since 1991, and Saddam NEVER stopped violating the terms of the armistice to which he had agreed in order to stop hostilities at that time.
For Edwards to renounce his vote for the present military action is moral cowardice on a cosmic scale, and shows that he possesses not even a notochord, much less a backbone.
Like so many Leftward leaning folks in the world today he seems to actually believe that the only bad there is may be found in Republicans.
Meanwhile the list of outrages, murders, decapitations, tortures, slaughter of schoolchildren, blowing up of hapless civilians, tourists, theater-goers, and innocent civilians of all nationalities, faiths, sexes, ages, and races by Islamic zealots doesn’t seem to register with them any more. Fourteen centuries of Islamic fanatics’ onslaught upon their neighbors counts for nothing in their minds.
Only George W and Karl and Dick are naughty and mean.
Yet, just a few minutes of casual
How come no one ever asks a progressive what they want to progress to?
mputtre
“The “My vote was wrong because I was lied to” theme is becoming so widespread that I wonder if it isn’t part of a coordinated effort. (Does does that sound paranoid)”
no it doesn’t sound paranoid. It sounds like that is the precise reason Senator Harry Reid (D) Nev, had that closed door tantrum. The dems had to have a closed door meeting to see how they were going to deal with the fact they voted on the same intellegence that the administration had, and the previous administration had?
“The “My vote was wrong because I was lied to” theme is becoming so widespread that I wonder if it isn’t part of a coordinated effort. (Does does that sound paranoid)”
No, but it looks as bad as it sounds when they sent losers like Rockefeller out to to try it on the Sunday chats.
Basically, it means, “either I was too lazy to do the job I was elected for or I lacked the balls to stand up to Chimpy McHitlerburton…”
Neither one of which seems like a stirring rallying cry.
Richard – consider this: The Donks are now saying that they were “lied to” and “misled” by someone whose intelligence they have been castigating ever since he came onto the political scene in the mid-90s in Texas.
It’s not a very stirring attitude you strike when you admit to being snookered by a dunce.
James Lileks described the Democrats best before the last election, and nothing has changed to invalidate his description:
“These are people who would rather lose a war than their committee chairmanships.”
This attitude may be fine when scabbling for tenure at a community college or partnership in a class-action lawyer factory. But it is too small an attidude, and they are too small people for a big world.
John Edwards. Again.
Steve Green (VodkaPundit) nailed it.
What a goddamn lying coward.
And that’s all I have to say about John Edwards.
I’d like to add to that, but frankly, what I have to say about the “Gentleman” from NC is pretty unprofession…
Commenters look at the first of the article but how about the last sentence, “And they [military families/troops] also deserve a clear plan for a way out.” Such as Winning? Whipping the grits out of them? Beating them, our enemies who want to kill us and establish a world wide caliphate? Not putting our tails between our legs? Come on, man! that is our only way out. Remember 911, Senator. So Car boy.
People, the current sitting president of the United States spent his part of the Viet Nam war protecting South Texas from the dire threat of an attack by the Viet Cong.
That is, when he was not AWOL working on GOP campaigns in Alabama.
That, my friends, in the definition of a goddamn lying coward.
‘Nuff said.
Spin it any way you want, but that definition works as well as anything you’ve all got to say about John Edwards.
MP,
How convenient that you’ve changed the topic.
Nuff said.
jmaster, pity you could not keep up. LOL
The topic is….
goddamn lying cowards.
Need any more help?
MP – Many guard / reservists complete their required commitment in different increments. Yes Bush left to work on a campaign, (so half true) but as long as he had already put in his required service (which he far exceeded), that was still acceptable, therefore the claim AWOL is false (so only half true). The most insidious lies are those based on half truths, and this line of attack is a great example, and you just posted it.
As a friend who was a WWII vet figher pilot pointed out, flying a jet fighter is an inherantly risky profession any time and any where, its not an occupation of cowards. Far more courageous than being an ambulance chaser anyway.
In Vodka’s archives, MP, is a little blurb on the F-102A. I think that was the deathtrap he flew. The info came from Vodka’s father-in-law, someone who’s in a position to know.
Read it then talk about coward.
Even the late John Kennedy Jr.’s George mag said there’s no there there. Back in 1999, IIRC, but it could be 2000.
How can 1 be AWOL from a job when 1 has met the requirements?
“How about we add a referendum to the December elections to let the Iraqis vote on whether American troops should stay?”
“We”? We don’t insert items into their elections. If they want such a referendum, they’ll add it themselves.
Insert a referendum?
You know, I imagine that when Iraqi candidates campaign, the issue of whether the US should stay or go just might, JUST MIGHT, come up. And then the Iraqis will elect those candidates that represent their views on the issue.
It’s called representative government.
Or maybe they just campaign on setting up programs for midnight soccer and importing lowcost prescription drugs from Turkey.
Oooh, I think someone has a crush!
“Spin it any way you want, but that definition works as well as anything you’ve all got to say about John Edwards.”
I stand by my definition- John Edwards is a gutless little bitch. Now go check all the imaginary comments on your blog, MP.
FWIW;
George Bush spent his guard duty flying dangerous antiquated aircraft to protect the largest concentration of petr-chemical production facilities in the US from attack by soviet bombers.
There is more to history than the Vietnam War.
PackerBronco -
Yeah, I’m sure it will come up. No one wants a foriegn country’s military as an occupier. Some will say send them home now, some will say keep’m around a while longer. The great thing is they have the ability to have the discussion. Had it not been for those soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines the point would be moot.
Edwards, Rockefeller, and the rest of the apologetic set are trying to play a cute little card. “Oh woe is me for being duped by the evil Adolph McChimpyburton!” Save it boys…it’s alittle too transparent.
The topic is….
goddamn lying cowards.
Self-servingly incorrect. The topic is John Edwards. “Goddamn lying coward” is an adjective applied to the proper noun.
‘It was a mistake to vote for this war in 2002. I take responsibility for that mistake.’
‘I took responsibility by not running again and by now continuing to spread lies. But now let me give it ti you straight. Lying about supporting the war was ’04 election politics. Lying about being mislead is ’06 and hopefully ’08 politics. This is the easy out on the flip flopper charge in my ’08 campaign. This is what I really stand for.’
John Edwards
MP, can you tell me how many schools are now operating in Iraq because of the troops? How many hospitals?
Or do you only know some numbers others feel you should know?
Sometimes it is worthwhile looking beyond the sound bites.
How come no one ever asks a progressive what they want to progress to? -Sandy P
As near as I can tell, the answer is ‘socialism’.
To paraphrase Gloria Steinem: Statism is to progress what fish are to bicycles.
Dear Steven, the vodkapundit,
I recently e-mailed John Edwards’ editorial/article to a friend of mine. I suggested to him that it was weak and spineless. He wrote back,
Ok,
I am not a smart man, but I know what love is. And I love me some breasteses. But beyond this, I could use a little help. Apart from excessive use of the passive voice, what is weak and spineless about this piece?
Care to take a stab at the question?
A few points