John Kerry: Closet ComSymp? Nyet.
Enough already – stop emailing me this story! It’s from WorldNetDaily, and should be taken with a grain of salt. Just so the rest of you know what I’m talking about, here’s the juicy bit:
One freshly unearthed document, captured by the U.S. from Vietnamese communists in 1971 and later translated, indicates the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese delegations to the Paris peace talks that year were used as the communications link to direct the activities of Kerry and other antiwar activists who attended.
Kerry insists he attended the talks only because he happened to be in France on his honeymoon and maintains he met with both sides. But previously revealed records indicate the future senator made two, and possibly three, trips to Paris to meet with Viet Cong leader Madame Nguyen Thi Binh then promote her plan’s demand for U.S. surrender.
Jerome Corsi, a specialist on the Vietnam era, told WND the new discoveries are the “most remarkable documents I’ve seen in the entire history of the antiwar movement.”
“We’re not going to say he’s an agent for Vietnamese communists, but it’s the next thing to it,” he said. “Whether he was consciously carrying out their direction or naively doing what they wanted, it amounted to the same thing
Hey, you’re very quick to dismiss this WND/Vietnam/Kerry thing. It isn’t just that it happened a long time ago, or that it might have happened way back when; it’s that if Kerry did do this, it tells us volumes about his real character today.
There used to be something called treason that this is amazingly close to, if true.
don’t dismiss so quickly. these documents are from the vietnam archive at texas tech university at lubbock. just because the swiftboatvets are the ones spending the time to research them doesn’t diminish the significance.
Hey, not so casual, ok?
It’s serious stuff, especially if you were a POW during those years. And while it may not be a “killer blow” it’s another indication of Kerry’s sorry ass intregrity.
How and why would the head of the COMMUNIST NV delegation meet more than once with Kerry – unless it was to use him.
Why would he meet with them?
Only to get their opinions – which would naturally include their strategies in the war & negotiations.
WELL YOU DON’T THINK THEY TALKED ABOUT THE WEATHER, DO YOU!?
Kerry came back, and MIRACULOUSLY his position was EXACTLY the same as the NV Commies.
Wither he was dupe – or an agent.
If he was an agent, he was either one because he was a SYMP, or because he was paid.
So, Mr. Green: you have your choices: either Kerry was a dupe, or a SYMP, or a paid agent for a foreign government we were at war with.
Tell me: which do YOU think it was?
And tell me: does it really matter which one it is? Isn’t it enough that he was ONE of these three things?!
NV commies are on RECORD as saying that the anti-War movement delayed the end of the war; because the NV commies believed that they would get a better deal from McGovern, and the anti-War movement led by Kerry is the principle reason they gave McGovern a chance. The Peace Treaty was signed right after the reelection of Nixon – when the NV commies realized that there was no “BETTER DEAL.”
South Vietnam didn
*snore*
65 million people under tyranny, and Britton snores.
What did we fight the Cold War for?
FOr liberty over tyranny.
Along the way we ab andoned some peoples – like the South Vietnamese.
We abandoned them because of Leftists like Kerry.
That is something to be ashamed of.
Kerry has NEVER expressed any regret for his antiwar position.
He has no shame.
Iwas an anti-war activist in the late 1960′s
I have admitted that I wasa dupe of the Left, that Reagan was right.
It’s time the WHOLE entire Left did the same.
Since 1975 – when Deng Xiao Peng intorduced market economics into China, and since 1980 when Reagan and Thatcher saved the USA and the UK from entropy and reinvigorated the Free World, since the fall of the Wall and the collapse of the USSR, it has become ever more apparent to anyone with an open mind that socialism is ndeed the road to serfdom, and that Democracy is the road to prosperity.
Kerry is a Leftist who has refused to heed that lesson – who continues to push for more government invovement in our domestic markets, and less involvement in promoting democracy overseas.
This is not merely the road to serfdom for the USA, but as the USA is the economic engine of the word – it is the road to se4rfdom for the entire world.
All in the name of what!?
Free health care?
More UN invovement?
The honor of fighting beside the Germans and the French!?
Sleep on – you mebers of the Left; sleep on, and SNORE.
In your land of dreamy draems there are sugar plum fairies with treats — just like Kerry’s dream Xmas eve in Cambodia….
Dream on….
Ok, so the guy went over-the-top a lot in the freeper comments section. Last time I checked, that’s what people do in comments sections. (Or all of FR for that matter.) How many of those were supposed to be sarcastic?
Using the same litmus test, we shouldn’t believe anything Jeff Goldstein says either… right?
Vodkapundit is a mite too sophisticated for the stories that are a little rough around the edges. He’s the Vodkapundit after all, not the “Beer & a shotpundit”
But, he does give some context and some background that is much appreciated.
Still, I want my leaders to be able to roll out of bed in the morning and know that liberal western democracy is the best form of governnment extant. Kerry seemed to think Communism was o.k. too. It was a long time ago but it should still give one pause.
That’s what bugged me so much about Clinton, Reno and the Gonzales boy in Florida. Even after they were fully aware of the moral bankrupcy of communism the said,”well gosh dang it, communism is just fine for ths growing lad” At least Kerry didn’t have the 20-20 hindsight that Clinton & Reno had.
Still he is pretty oogy.
This really doesn’t add much new information.
In fact, as a general rule, be VERY suspicious of any story from here on in that purports to add any new information on anything.
Yeah, nothing new. Anyone who is paying attention clearly knew that Kerry is a communist.
His being a communist isn’t as frightening as that so many people are trying to pretend that he isn’t.
TO: Political Animal
RE: True….
“it’s that if Kerry did do this, it tells us volumes about his real character today.” — Political Animal
…and even more so, it is physical proof of aiding and abetting an Enemy;
Which starts with E and that rhymes with T and that stands for TREASON! [Sorry...watched the Music Man recently. It just sprang out there.]
That is IF it is accurate. As Stephen points out, the source is not what most intel-types would classify as A1.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Steven, it’s bigger than WND, which I agree should not be a primary source. Check out the links.
The Bush Administration is guilty of at least one major miscalculation on Iraq.
They failed to account for the likelihood that the popular media and Democrats would begin to provide encouragement to the enemy as soon as the going got tough, just as they did during the Vietnam War.
And coincidentally, John Kerry is a player this time around too.
Let me just second Yehudit.
Steve,
One thing you’re missing is the fact that another Blogger, Chad at In the Bullpen, called up the archives and talked to the head archivist. He confirms the validity of the document (something Dan Rather never thought of doing) and also confirmed that the Swifties had received the documents from the archive. The head of the archives also has put the documents online, in response to Chad’s phone call. They can be found here: http://star.vietnam.ttu.edu/starweb/vva/servlet.starweb?path=vva/article.web&id=article&pass=&search1=WEBOK%3DYES&format=format
So we have two stories here.
1) At least in the minds of the VC/NV, they beleived they had significant influence on John Kerry’s “Vietnam Veterans Against the War”. As I state in my post, though, this does not necessarily mean that John Kerry was directly influenced by them.
2) A blogger does what not even WND thought of let alone Dan Rather–did some actual primary research and confirmed that the documents were indeed valid.
I must say as one who personally experienced the VietNam era to the tune of losing a brother-in-law over there, having a fiance return home a lunatic, and listening to my mother Pray everyday that her son would return home, I also am sick of hearing about VN in reference with this election.
But, doesn’t it seem strange that VN seems to be such a hot topic this campaign when it hasn’t been in prior elections? Is it because all of us that experiened that era just decided we would begin screaming about it all of a sudden? Or, is it because we went through that time and know what our loved ones serving there experienced. we remember who’s fault it was, that these men never received the honors due them? They fought for a country they loved and returned home to be shunned by that same country.
We arent so old that we are just having dementia attacks. We loathe the fact that the same man who caused us so much pain 30 years ago could resurface into our lives and claim himself a hero over the same things he once called our family members unspeakable names.
If you have a loved one in Iraq and some guy returns home and proclaims your family member to be a villian, rapist and baby killer, do you think 30 years will erase your memory? How about when that same person begins a Presidential campaign, based mostly on his medal status and self-proclaimed heroism? Would you want that same man being CiC of your country then?
If Kerry wasn’t a Communist agent, he was at least the World Heavyweight Grand-Champion of the Useful Idiots.
I’m sick of hearing that the majority of Americans are sick of hearing about Vietnam. Vietnam matters, man.
But, doesn’t it seem strange that VN seems to be such a hot topic this campaign when it hasn’t been in prior elections? Is it because all of us that experiened that era just decided we would begin screaming about it all of a sudden? Or, is it because we went through that time and know what our loved ones serving there experienced. we remember who’s fault it was, that these men never received the honors due them? They fought for a country they loved and returned home to be shunned by that same country.
None of the above.
Viet Nam matters this eleciton because Kerry’s record in the Senate is so thin he tried to run as a decorated veteran, instead.
Viet Nam is an issue this election because Kerry made it an issue.
He has no one to blame but himself.
Elect a Leftist Traitor. Elect Kerry
…Don’t expect the mainstream leftist press to pick up on this, they’re much too busy trying to destroy Bush’s chances for re-election. Witness the latest ploy by CBS, CNN, the New York Times etc. to accomplish this sordid feat via their bogus, Bush…
Get real…we were supporting a corrupt government in S. Viet Nam. We had no business getting involved after the French got thrown out after 20 years of war.
The domino theory turned out to be BS, and Macnamara one of the chief architects of the war admits now it was a mistake.
Enough people had died there and it was time to get out.
I was in the army at the time and there wer atrocities on both sides…lots of them. People were crazy over there.
Like Viet Nam in Iraq there is no good reason to continue a war that you can’t win. Sometimes it takes extreme measures to do the right thing.
Think of this…Saddam is said to have killed 328,000 people in 20 years. As a result of Bush, 12 to 15 thousand civilians, women and children have died, 40 to 50 thousand Iraqi combatants have died, and over 1000 Americans have died. 53 to 66 thousand in little over a year and counting. Lets see, times 20 years means we’re on a pace to kill over a million people! And these are the people we came to help?
They can’t afford our help. We need to get out.
You’re right, Billy P: we should have just stayed out of Africa, Italy, Germany, France, Japan, etc. We killed so many people in WWII. The end results just weren’t worth it. The Japanese and Germans obviously resent their current liberties.
Billy, you are so full of bull shit, I can’t even imagine someone thinking like you do!
Show Trial #20
A even score of purges and executions bring the Commissar to the twentieth Show Trial. “Shoot the mad blogs.” House of Payne, for glorifying murder of Vietnamese patriots David, for more of his dangerous Right Deviationism, even offering to give Anti-P…
Vietnam will be over when traitor Kerry sings.
The noblest war that was ever fought in the history of America.
TO: All
RE: All This Garbage…
…all this whining. All these complaints about this, that and the other.
They are all nothing but cheap excuses for isolationism. Nothing more. Every single one of them.
It’s too bad that the people spouting all of this don’t quite realize that the terrorists are not isolationists too. As a matter of fact, they’re very ‘out-going’, if you catch my meaning.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Those who refuse to take up the sword can still die upon them.]
To distill Billy P.: USA Out of America!
Kerry seemed to think Communism was o.k. too. It was a long time ago but it should still give one pause.
A long time ago? His campaign theme, Let America Be America Again, is the title of a poem by communist author Langston Hughes. It’s not a coincidence, and he says so. What’s “a long time” in this context – a couple weeks?
At least in the minds of the VC/NV, they beleived they had significant influence on John Kerry’s “Vietnam Veterans Against the War”.
If the VC/NV skimmed some of VVAW’s literature from the Kerry/VVAW Buffalo FBI file, I can understand where they’d get that impression.
Not so fast! We (veterans) may be shut out by the MSM, but they no longer have the last word. This story will not go away, because it is fact, not ‘story’. These documents are being researched and will be supporting evidence for the legal process already begun to charge Kerry with treason, and there is no statute of limitation.
In case you missed it, a formal request for indictment was filed 9 days ago against John Kerry. Over 180,000 individuals signed the petition. You can still sign, though it has been delivered.
“NOTICE: This petition for indictment was delivered to Senate President Richard Cheney, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Attorney General John Ashcroft on Monday, 18 October 2004. We are currently awaiting a reply from the Department of Justice. Click here to read the full text of the letter.”
http://federalistpatriot.us/main/login.asp?u=/current/restricted.asp
I guess meeting with the enemy in time of war has a statute of limitations, eh Vodka Pundit. That’s a very disappointing comment coming from you. If true, he met with the enemy. You are ok with that cuz it happened a long time ago? Amazing.
TO: Navy Vet
RE: It’s TREASON, I Tell Ya!
“These documents are being researched and will be supporting evidence for the legal process already begun to charge Kerry with treason, and there is no statute of limitation.” — Navy Vet
Yes. It is corroborating evidence. Of a physical nature.
I just wonder how long after the election they’ll wait before pressing charges.
And, what if he wins the election?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
TO: KM
RE: It’s All a Matter of “Perspective”
” If true, he met with the enemy. You are ok with that cuz it happened a long time ago? Amazing.” — KM
For Stephen, it probably happened before he was even born. Certainly before he was cogent. So it’s most likely, in his mind, considered ‘ancient’ history. He read about it in a book or something.
For me, it happened while I was a private in the 82d Airborne Division. [Note: I.e., I was jumping C130s before Stephen jumped his first prom date.]
Therefore, for someone like me, it’s rather ‘perosnal’. For him, it’s ennui (pardon my french).
Regards,
Chuck(le)
So we have two stories here.
1) At least in the minds of the VC/NV, they beleived they had significant influence on John Kerry’s “Vietnam Veterans Against the War”. As I state in my post, though, this does not necessarily mean that John Kerry was directly influenced by them.
2) A blogger does what not even WND thought of let alone Dan Rather–did some actual primary research and confirmed that the documents were indeed valid.
And let me add to that, research that was not even attempted by ANYONE in the MSM.
(That’s why I don’t dismiss this story either.) WND is known to be reckless, but I still say they got it right, even if on an unresearched (by them) hunch.
It’ll probably die a quiet little death at this point though because of all the news chatter on everything ELSE, most of which is meaningless in comparison. That is, unless Drudge and others have time to come through after much nagging.
Kerry = even more of a traitor than we thought.
OR
Kerry = even stupider than we thought.
Take your pick.
Stay tuned for my impending head explosion.