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July 3, 2014 - 2:00 pm
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Well, after 238 years it’s tough to find a fresh angle on Independence Day.

That’s the best excuse I can make for NPR’s story noting that Jehovah’s Witnesses, “some American Indians” and the abolitionist Frederick Douglass, back in 1852, don’t/didn’t celebrate the Fourth of July like most of the rest of us do, here in this God-blessed America.

The second best excuse I can make is: What do you expect from NPR?

The 1852 Independence Day Douglass oration is a classic moment of speaking truth to power. In its time and context it must have shocked, and invigorated, the abolition movement.

But in our day, the Left likes to read it as if its message applies equally to 21st century America. See Danny Glover’s rendition of excerpts in the video below, just 11 months before the election of Barack Obama as president. Note the reaction of the crowd, as if Glover had dreamed up the speech yesterday.

The Left lives, so it seems, in an ante-bellum world.

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What is material is that Wilson was the president who made interracial marriage a felony in the District of Columbia, praised Birth of A Nation, and segregated the federal civil service.

Why would you not think it not material?
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Actually the US military was integrated but re-segregated by progressive icon and loathsome racist Woodrow Wilson.

Something today's progs never get around to mentioning.

So there are sometimes retrograde steps. And one may expect to find a progressive committing them.
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Bryan:
The Douglass 4th of July speech oft quoted and recited is only the center portion of the entire speech. The first part celebrates the Founders, and the last part praises the Constitution. The omission of two thirds of this speech is a deliberate distortion.
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However praiseworthy the Frederick Douglass speech is, there was another speech. Also acknowledged - even by some, e.g. program designers in the NPR, who would "rather not"? - as a speech worthy of the finest orators of the late Roman Republic.

The Gettysburg Address. Addressing the same materai.

That in case forgotten, never known, nobody told - "educated" - no recent movies, was THE announcement of the end to slavery in the USA. The redress for Frederick Douglass et al plaint

AND The record of the "labour pains" for those Americans - how many from populations of how many of how many different skin colours and ethnic origins - who LITERALLY put skin in the game. To secure that nation born in July 1776 as E Pluribus Unum.

Some up to "the last full measure of devotion". To abolish the practice of slavery as in any way lawful in the USA. Thereafter for ALL well - intended now truly Equal Before the Law citizens to celebrate.

No person has been a "slave" in the US of A for more than a century. However many capitalise on that past historical defect to attain social power, influence AND wealth, some even beyond the dreams of avarice.

And while a "black mark" on the history of the nation it is a shaming indictment on the willingness and effectiveness of the people charged with the adminsitration of THAT Law, members of the Legal Profession / Judiciary.

Using iintra - collegial INSIDER TRADES for manipulations and remissions of their duty. Legal niceties and verbiage to con citizens to accept their unprincipled and illegal manipulative changes to The FUNDAMENTAL LAW.
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So NPR is stuck in the 1850s. That's a departure from their being stuck in the 1960s.
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They're always stuck in the nineteenth century. Sometimes the eighteenth.
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Yes, we get it that the far righties get their panties in a knot every time a lefty or a moderate or a center-right person dares to point out that our nation does not have a perfect history, and that our nation of today had to go through considerable conflict and upheaval to secure the rights for all Americans that were obviously denied for much of our history - right up through the mid-60s.

That is a cause for celebration, however, not anger or denial. We finally got it right, and nobody on the outside forced us to get it right - we did it ourselves.
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I'm glad you said that by the end of the 1960s, we finally did get it right.

To listen to the stuff coming from some of your left-wing friends (especially the Congressional Black Caucus), we still haven't got it right and we probably never will.
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Being a mainstream conservative, and not a far rightie, is not to be lefty. Most of us conservatives in the Republican Party today are mainstream conservatives, not extremists.
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Define mainstream. (Personally, I'm a neo-conservative tea-partier.)
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Based on what he's saying, I suspect his idea of mainstream is the same as what the PBS News Hour thinks is "mainstream." In case you're wondering what I mean by that, the PBS News Hour essentially thinks that somehow being balanced means having a far leftist debate with a left of center, very rarely getting someone who is not left wing at all to debate. Of course, he can correct me if I'm somehow mistaken about that.
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Yes, and we get that the far lefties just love to point out the less than perfect parts of our nation's history while ignoring the more perfect parts, and the less than perfect parts of every other nation's history. Yawn.
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Yup - real American history is such a yawner ... and folks like you call yourselves patriots .. in a pig's eye
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So "real American history" is mainly evil. You sound like Obama or Paul. Part of what Reagan called the "Blame America First" crowd. If you're a Conservative, I'm registering Democrat.
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"That is a cause for celebration, however, not anger or denial."

I wholeheartedly agree, but why is it that reading it I feel your anger and denial?
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Hey, be glad that he said "We finally got it right."

That's a more optimistic, celebratory view than most of the Left, who keep saying that the U.S. (they never say "America") is still a racist, imperialist, colonialist nation.
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Not of the left - not even close ... lifetime mainstream conservative GOPer

But definitely not an extremist from the far right like so many that comment and post on pjmedia
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You mean you're a country-clubber? Do me a favor and register Democrat.
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Either that, or a PBS News Hour debater. Either way, yes, DT Florida should register as a Democrat or some other left-wing shill, assuming he hasn't already.
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Nope. You're a lefty troll. The very structure of your comments is the tipoff
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"we get it that the far righties get their panties in a knot every time a lefty or a moderate or a center-right person dares to point out that our nation does not have a perfect history"

No, try reading. This is the problem.

"the Left likes to read it as if its message applies equally to 21st century America"
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With Democrats, like Al Gore's dad, kicking and screaming all the way.
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Spiritual alliegence to Europe and its brand of welfare
state socialism. Twenty years later we're witnessing its degenerative
Demise, weakened by its dehumanizing political theology
It's atheist body eaten by invading hordes of true believers.
America is all the hope that is left to a world gone mad
and those who still embrace the rotting carcass of the
old world carry the bitter seeds of our own potential destruction.
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Bryan:
The Douglass 4th of July speech oft quoted and recited is only the center portion of the entire speech. The first part celebrates the Founders, and the last part praises the Constitution. The omission of two thirds of this speech is a deliberate distortion.
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The Douglass speech taken in its entirety was written and given to support what the Founders had wrought and intended 75 years earlier, and condemnation of the Founders' successors in the early 1850s in perverting the Constitution for profit sake to do evil against fellow Americans. The speech cannot be subdivided and understood. All in all it was a superb work. All Americans should read or listen to the entire speech every Independence Day, because it reminds us all that a Constitution is a mere piece of paper - it must be defended and applied consistently, even when doing so is costly or painful in the short term.
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My apologies. You are not a lefty troll. I was too quick to judge you, and no expert on writing patterns.
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I don't know why this comment was reported.

Mandy Manners
I think this is the complete speech.

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/douglassjuly4.html
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Likely someone meant to hit "like" but hit "Report Abuse" instead.

pjmedia needs to redesign their format to put the abuse button somewhere far away from the like button.
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I've accidentally hit the "Report Abuse" button instead of the "Like" button before, but I always apologize to the member and then repost the reported post.
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Both comments are still in. Moderators here actually weight he differences unlike Huffpoo whose moderators delete any comment they personally don't like.
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It took all out war of WWII to open the minds of Americans to include the efforts of blacks in society, and even then it was a stretch. Work in progress indeed.
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Actually the US military was integrated but re-segregated by progressive icon and loathsome racist Woodrow Wilson.

Something today's progs never get around to mentioning.

So there are sometimes retrograde steps. And one may expect to find a progressive committing them.
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The US Army was never integrated prior to Truman's executive order. You're making up stuff.

As if Jim Crow did not actually exist for approximately 100 years in violation of the 14th Amendment. It doesn't require one to be a prog or a lefty, whatever you call them, to recognize evil and injustice. Pretending the past didn't really happen more than likely means you'd be quite happy to still see Americans enslaved, oppressed, denied their rights, and shunned as they were until the mid-60s. Denial of white racism = racism.
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Actually, Jim Crow even preceded the Civil War. The laws in Illinois - as far North as you can get - would have made Lester Maddox green with envy. (Separate but equal? What's that?) Blacks were even banned from entering. Some Blacks - including famous ones - were already there. Arguably, part of their anti-slavery stance was, ironically, racist.
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Jim Crow did not even exist until Wilson.
Today’s progressives are nothing but a re-tread of the 1920’s Progressives. Seriously, same platform, same material, same failures.

Wilson stated that the The Constituion had been outgrown and the Ammendments do not apply. “We are in the presence of a new organization of society” as he nullified the 15th Ammendment. “the old political formulas do not fit the present problems: they read now like documents taken out of a forgotten age…utterly out of date”, “what we used to think in the old-fashioned days when life was very simple.” Of the Decalration of Independence: That document “did not mention the questions of our day,” he told his countrymen. “It is of no consequence to us.”
-------What do we hear from Progressives today? That the Constituion was written by old white men hundreds of years ago and no longer apply.

Wilson also hated constitutional provisions for limited government. Separation of powers, checks and balances, states rights were all an obstacle to his vision. Wilson called for a “living” political constitution “Darwinian in structure and in practice.” Of course, he was the one to write it and campaigned on this as science — to interpret the Constitution according to Darwinian principle, a hot buzzword for the time.”
-----Current day Progressives still carry this banner. Claims that government is a living thing, that justice should be dished out socially based on fads of the day 'from the bench', and laws only apply to certain people, not from some 'outdated and deeply flawed document'.

Wilsons’ vision included full segregation and equal but separate along with forced sterilization of ‘criminals’ and mentally ill…laws he passed in Illinios and New Jersey.

Today’s Progressives are still the same: they spit on limited government and civil rights controls in the constitution while pretending they support those ideals
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Where did you learn your history - at the Mark Levin/Rush Limbaugh Academy of Loony Right Politics? Sheesh.

Jim Crow laws began to be enacted and implemented as soon as Reconstruction was over and state governance was turned over to the former Confederate states, starting in 1876. They were the defeated rebels attempt to restore the former "black codes" of the slave states.

Wilson, in case you are unaware, was a New Jersean. He may have been a bad President and a Democrat, but you cannot use him as a straw man to cover for the evils of Jim Crow.
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Actually, Wilson was NOT a New Jerseyan, although he was president of Princeton in later life. He was a Southerner, the first to be elected president of the US since Zachary Taylor in the 1840s.
http://www.bu.edu/professorvoices/2013/03/04/the-long-forgotten-racial-attitudes-and-policies-of-woodrow-wilson/
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Wilson was also governor of NJ.
While he was certainly not the founder of Jim Crow, he was responsible for bringing segregation to the federal government. The Southern States were encouraged by this, and doubled down on their own enforcement of segregation.
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That is correct, Sir.
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Wow. That's informative. He could have been writing today, as a speechwriter for Barack Obama and his cronies. Actually makes me grateful (and in awe) that the nation has been able to fight off such awful 'progressive' ideas for 100 years now.
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You're wrong about that too.

The first Jim Crow laws were enacted in 1876, only 3 years after the end of Reconstruction.
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This addresses Wilson's racism and the segregation he employed in general.

http://www.academia.org/progressive-segregation/
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Very good points, and since it is dear to your heart let us not forget how the progressive Democrat treated women: http://zipline.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/womens-suffrage-v-woodrow-wilsons-democratic-machine-timelyspeaking-of-abusevote-palin/
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Thanks!
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That Wilson was racist is rather immaterial - a very large proportion of American society and most of our institutions, both civil and private, prior to 1964 were racist, which fact cannot be denied. The Army was segregated because most of America was segregated. Truman's desegregation of the Army was a courageous, moral, and entirely provocative action. Not long after, President Eisenhower used the US Army to put down a segregationist State rebellion in Arkansas, in order to enforce Brown v. Topeka Board of Education.
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Again correct.
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The Klan machine was a Democrat POLITICAL machine.
They were lynching or kneecapping ANY opposition, not just blacks.
Race was just an excuse, just as the Prohibitions are covert funding for POLITICAL gangs.
(Notably, Klan moonshiners in the south, Commie and Mob unions in the north, til they lost it legally and kept the money flowing by banning common medicinal crops, blaming that on negroes and mexicans.)

Democrats wrote virtually every anti-Negro, -Indian, and -women statute since 1788, when their predecessors declared that slavery would be ended by 1808... We Promise!

Can't have patronage without oppression.
It's the basis of their power.
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It's pointless to talk about what the Democratic party was like 100 years ago.

Political parties aren't set in concrete. They change as their members change.

What the Dem Party (or the GOP) was like a hundred years ago is only of historical significance, since those folks died decades ago. The party platforms today are quite different from what they were then.

Times change.
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Heck the two parties are very different today from what they were merely 30 years ago. Both parties have emptied themselves of minority factions - the Dems kicked out the conservatives, and the Pubs kicked out the liberals, making both parties more susceptible to extreme influences ... though most of the rank and file members in both parties are not extreme themselves. However, the end result of the polarization of the two parties is the rise of political independents who are disgusted by the extremists' influence in both major parties.
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Oh, and, by the way, I was the little white kid raised in a hood riven by war tween followers of Elijah Muhammed and Cesar Chavez. Want racism? I'll show you some racism, you lily-assed ofay wrinkled foreskin peckerwood.

Everyone is racist.
SO WHAT? It's natural. It's human. BFD.

What's next? Ban jealousy? Obesity? Ban Bossy?
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Racism is a curse upon mankind, as are many other sins. But if you cannot divine the difference between individuals with racist attitudes and an entire governmental and civil institutional system that actually, you know, enslaved people, killed people, sold them and drove them in herds like cattle, destroyed families, maimed and tortured people, and denied them the right to vote and to do all the stuff you always had a right to do as a white boy and later on as a white man, and so on and so forth for approximately 320 years ... and it was all "the law of the land" for that time frame, then you are seriously deluded.
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PJ Media needs to add a M..... F...... Bravo button. Sometimes like is just not enough :)
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What is material is that Wilson was the president who made interracial marriage a felony in the District of Columbia, praised Birth of A Nation, and segregated the federal civil service.

Why would you not think it not material?
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A racist President immaterial? To what and to whom? Look what the libruls have tried to do to Jefferson. Busy busy.
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Immaterial to the argument that was made that somehow Wilson was responsible for segregation in the early 1900s, when segregation and before that slavery had been the law of the land for nearly 300 years prior, fully institutionalized at all levels both civil and private, and was the founding American attitude on the rights of man and the relations between the races. Blaming that on Wilson is simply ridiculous.
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"the founding American attitude on the rights of man"

So you take Stephen Douglas' position in the debates as against Lincoln's? I don't like these ideological purity tests, but you clearly exemplify why the country-clubbers almost destroyed the Republican party.
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I can see that the apologists for white racism were attacted to this post like blowflies to dead animals ... and being the practiced apologists and strawman arguers they are, they naturally hijacked the thread to bring up a single Democratic President from 100 years ago and use him - like a clove of garlic held up in defense against vampirism - as a defense against the obvious and hideious evils of slavery, white racism, Jim Crowism, and so forth.

Pretty predictable extremist response for a conservative website like this one. I like to point out the extremism and moral turpitude of far right extremists, just as much as I like to do battle with far lefty extremists.

God save us all in America from all extremists - they are all exactly alike.
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You strike me as an extremist. To be specific, from the extreme left-wing fringe of the Republican party. The people the Left always tells us to listen to.
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"That Wilson was racist is rather immaterial"

That he was a racist and Progressive pluperfect both is quite material. I find most of those who object to that being mentioned are of the left, and quite far left, at that.

"President Eisenhower used the US Army to put down a segregationist State rebellion in Arkansas"

Never happened. What rebellion do you pretend was taking place? Where are the graves? The 101st was unopposed by so much as a riot.
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Yes, in your fevered mind, history never actually happened. It was all a leftist fantasy, all that segregation, the use of the Arkansas Natinal Guard to defy the Supreme Law of the Land ... it's always amazing how the extremists on the far right are always hyperventilating about the Rule Of Law, yet are quite willing to tell the Law of the Land to go eff itself whenever it's politically inconvenient. The hypocrisy of extremists knows no end, apparently.

And by the way, President Eisenhower and the US Army put down the rebellion without needing to fire a shot - but their appeaance in Arkansas assuredly put down the rebellion. If Ike had not made that move, AR would have continued its defiance of the Law of the Land, and likely so would have at least several other of the former Confederate states who clung to their "segregation now and forever" wretched ideology.
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Strange you don't mention the name of the party that resisted?
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Who said anything about history never actually happening? All he was saying was that Wilson was in fact both racist and Progressive, which is in fact not only correct, but also something that needs to be noted yet isn't in history. And besides which, regarding his response to Eisenhower's statement, he meant that what occurred was not a riot. A riot would imply extensive collateral damage within a public square and possible deaths. There weren't any deaths, just some protests.

And BTW, DT Florida, you constantly claim that there are Right Wing Extremists as well as Left Wing Extremists, and that most mainstream people aren't like that. Well, sure, if you watch things like the PBS News Hour (which, BTW, paints a false picture of "balanced" reporting by having a left-of-center person debating with a far left person, very rarely getting any actual right-wingers of any sort onto the show. REAL balanced reporting, especially regarding debating, involves having polar opposites duking it out. In other words, you have either a left of center and right of center debating or a hard left and a hard right debating each other). My Dad is right of center for the most part, certainly not an "extremist," yet even he noticed that the PBS News Hour fakes unbiasedness by considering having a hard leftist debating a left-of-center most of the time as "unbiased."
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Governor Orval Faubus deployed the Arkansas National Guard to support the segregationists on September 4, 1957. The sight of a line of soldiers blocking out the students made national headlines and polarized the nation.

On September 9, the Little Rock School District issued a statement condemning the governor's deployment of soldiers to the school, and called for a citywide prayer service on September 12. Even President Dwight Eisenhower attempted to de-escalate the situation by summoning Faubus for a meeting, warning him not to defy the Supreme Court's ruling.


Woodrow Wilson Mann, the mayor of Little Rock, asked President Eisenhower to send federal troops to enforce integration and protect the nine students. On September 24, the President ordered the 101st Airborne Division of the United States Army—without its black soldiers, who rejoined the division a month later—to Little Rock and federalized the entire 10,000-member Arkansas National Guard, taking it out of the hands of Faubus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine

Thus, President Eisenhower reminded Governor Faubus that according to the U.S. Constitution, states can't trump Federal law.
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Correct. There was a report, however, that one man had been bayoneted in the arm.
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/00651646/
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