Is that Dr. LeRoy Carhart? It seems Live Action ran into a familiar face during their six-month investigation into the late-term abortion industry, and Carhart is one of the many faces of this heinous business. The Live Action investigator saw him in December of 2012, which was before Carhart claimed his latest victim in twenty-nine-year old Jennifer Morbelli, who died after suffering massive internal bleeding from a botched late-term abortion. Also, when Morbelli was bleeding, Carhart was unreachable for emergency care since he skipped town. This was a tragic replay of what happened in 2005, where Carhart performed a late-term abortion on Christin Gilbert, who also died in the process. She was only nineteen.
In the Nebraska investigative video, Carhart suggests to the Live Action investigator to come to his clinic in Germantown, Maryland – the location of the future Morbelli abortion – which wasn’t even inspected by state health officials. Live Action investigators visited Carhart twice, with the initial “doctor’s appointment” in in December of 2012.
Once there, Carhart details how an injection into the womb kills the baby, the disposal of the body parts, and denies having Christin Gilbert as a patient.
Dr. Carhart: …We haven’t even–I’ve never had to send anybody to the hospital with my patients, so.
Woman: Oh, really?
Carhart: Yeah, and the Christin Gilbert thing on the internet is a–was not my patient…
Two months after the initial visit, Morbelli died under Carhart’s care.
In a second visit, an investigator recorded Carhart admitting that her child – at 26 weeks – could survive outside the womb. Yet, they have to go to Maryland to get it aborted. Nebraska state law prohibits abortions 20 weeks into a pregnancy. Carhart says in Maryland – it’s 28 weeks.
Dr. Carhart: So, um, they’ve got this down as a fetal indication, there’s nothing wrong with the baby, that you know of, is there?
Woman: Nothing that I know of.
Dr. Carhart: OK, I don’t know where that came from or how that got in here…
Woman: …Does that mean, fetal indication–
Dr. Carhart: Means there’s something wrong with the baby and that’s why you’re terminating.
Woman: Yeah. No.
Dr. Carhart: Just, just pure–
Woman: Purely this is what I wanna do.
Dr. Carhart: And here (coughs) we cannot do it, but in Maryland we can do it…
Woman: So, a baby at this age–what am I, 26 weeks?
Dr. Carhart: 26.
Woman: Could not survive? If it was delivered?
Dr. Carhart: If it came out? Oh, yeah, it probably–probably could–probably.
Concerning this stage of the pregnancy, Carhart laughed about being one of four doctors in the country who will perform these late-term abortions “cause nobody else’ll do it.” He treated the matter as if it were some exclusive club. Carhart then tells the investigator that terminating pregnancies at her stage wasn’t uncommon at all.
Woman: Are there–so there’s only four of you that do–?
Dr. Carhart: There are only four doctors doing over 26 weeks.
Woman: Why are there only four?
Dr. Carhart: ‘Cause nobody else’ll do it! [laughter]
Woman: Oh. So you don’t see a lot of women like me? Dr. Carhart: Well, saw four this week, so.
Woman: OK. At 26 weeks?
Dr. Carhart: Yeah.
Dr. Carhart: Or more. Woman: All right.
Dr. Carhart: Or more. Woman: So I’m not unusual. Dr. Carhart: No, not at all…
Carhart then went into graphic detail about the process. After the injection, the baby will be dead inside the mother’s womb for about three days, and compared it to meat cooking in a Crock-Pot.
Woman: So what makes the baby “mushy”?
Dr. Carhart: The fact that it’s not alive for 2 or 3 days. Woman: Oh. So I’ll have a dead baby in me?
Dr. Carhart: For 3 days, yeah.
Woman: Will it start to decay or something? Dr. Carhart: No–
Woman: Oh, OK…
Dr. Carhart: …No, it’s like putting meat in a Crock-Pot, OK? It doesn’t get–it doesn’t get broke–it gets softer. It doesn’t get infected or, you know-
Woman: OK, so the dead baby in me is like–
Dr. Carhart: It’s just–
Woman: –like meat in a Crock-Pot.
Dr. Carhart: Pretty mu–yeah, kinda much. Woman: All right. All right.
Dr. Carhart: In a slow cooker.
Carhart also jokes about the removal of the child if things don’t go according to plan.
Woman: …for some reason–
Dr. Carhart: -I’ve never had–
Woman: –I’m not able to deliver, will–you’ll be able to get it out–
Dr. Carhart: –take it out in pieces
Woman: –in pieces.
Woman: And what do you use to break it up? Just–
Dr. Carhart: A whole bunch of, you know–
Woman: You’ve got a toolkit.
Dr. Carhart: A pickaxe, a drill bit, you know. [Laughs.]
Woman: I see. OK.
Yet, this is after Carhart describes how he feels the child doesn’t feel pain at 26 weeks in his opinion. Nonetheless, he admits that he’s ”done some where the women can’t have that shot. If they’re alive [the babies–I mean, it just, you know–I’m sure the baby feels the needle stick–if the baby feels anything –.”
The investigator presses Carhart about the procedure, where he states that it’s like a normal birth, except the child is dead, and if it survives the abortion attempt – he assures her that it’ll be sent to the hospital and foster care. She then asks him what happens if she goes into labor, and Carhart tells her to call him. One thing not to do is call 9-1-1.
Dr. Carhart: Yeah, they’ll take you to the hospital, right? They won’t–they won’t bring you to the clinic, so.
Dr. Carhart: Just–you’re gonna be within 10 minutes or 15 minutes of the clinic.
Dr. Carhart: Just get in the car. Call me.
Woman: Call you. OK.
Dr. Carhart: All right? If we think you need 911, then certainly call 911, but that–
Woman: Call you first, don’t call 911…
What about the side effects of having a late-term abortion, doctor?
Dr. Carhart: And I think out of respect and love and honor for this baby that you’ve lost, you will find yourself being a better person…
…postpartum depression is really very common, but post-abortion depression? I can honestly tell you that I haven’t seen one–one person that way, and–
Woman: Oh, OK.
Dr. Carhart: –we had a 16-year-old girl that was pregnant, and 26 or 7 weeks, that we had–we did that–the termination for her. And she tried to kill herself, and she got to the hospital and recovered.
Dr. Carhart: And she tried to kill herself, not because of the termination, but because of the baby that she had before this. It was already a year old, and she wished she had not had that baby…
Dr. Carhart: …I’ve not had anybody leave there feeling worse than they came.
Woman: OK. Good to know.
Before the investigator leaves, Carhart let’s her know about the Morbelli incident at the Maryland clinic.
Dr. Carhart: And we have had one woman that died in the–in the clinic, OK? Woman: Oh, you did?
Dr. Carhart: She was a lot farther along than you, and–but–and the coron–it was reported to the coroner and everything, and they said, “Yeah, she died, again, of complications of the pregnancy, but not from the abortion.” Everything from the abortion went fine.
Well, Maryland’s chief medical examiner reported otherwise, doctor.