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May 6, 2013 - 1:42 pm
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A New York Democrat wants to revise gun laws to encompass a downloadable plastic gun produced on a 3-D printer.

On Friday, Defense Distributed premiered its plastic firearm with only one small necessary metal part: the firing pin.

Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) wants to pour water on this invention with his Undetectable Firearms Modernization Act, which extends a 1988 ban on plastic guns that expires this year and extends it to include homemade, plastic high-capacity magazines and receivers. The piece of metal in the downloadable gun, which allows it to be spotted by metal detectors, keeps it within current law.

“Security checkpoints, background checks, and gun regulations will do little good if criminals can print plastic firearms at home and bring those firearms through metal detectors with no one the wiser. When I started talking about the issue of plastic firearms months ago, I was told the idea of a plastic gun is science-fiction. Now that this technology appears to be upon us, we need to act now to extend the ban on plastic firearms,” Israel said.

Israel “revamped” his bill to make it “illegal to manufacture, own, transport, buy, or sell any firearm, receiver, or magazine that is homemade and not detectable by metal detector and/or does not present an accurate image when put through an x-ray machine.”

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) was so alarmed by Friday’s demonstration video of the downloadable gun that he called a Sunday news conference to jump on board Israel’s bill.

“We’re facing a situation where anyone — a felon, a terrorist — can open a gun factory in their garage, and the weapons they make will be undetectable,” Schumer said. “It’s stomach churning.”

The senator clarified he doesn’t want to ban 3-D printers outright.
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Chuckie obviously doesn't know about the Pathan gunsmiths, but then again, Chuckie obviously doesn't know much. This Nation is being run by people who don't know how to change a light bulb!
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My own feeling on the matter is this - the era of the federal government being able to regulate the manufacture of firearms is coming to an end.

The technology has matured to the point that the federal government cannot realistically hold back the tide any longer.

With everyone from Afghan tribesman with sheet metal and hammers making AK47s to college grads printing out 3D firearms getting into the game, it is an impossibility to continue regulating the manufacture of firearms.

Which, in all honesty, has not ever stopped a crime anyway.

So, why not consider aiming laws at how the individuals USE guns to deprive others of life or property rather than on inanimate objects themselves?

I'd say that's a far more reasonable approach - and would finally undo some 80 years of continuing federal overreach on the matter as prior to the FDR administration the federal government had NO firearms laws at all and we got along just fine.
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My 3D printer has printed me a Harley Sportster, but when I try to print a Schumer, I can't feed it enough raw sewage.
It keeps flashing; "Printer cartridge out of sh*t."
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“We’re facing a situation where anyone — a felon, a terrorist — can open a gun factory in their garage, and the weapons they make will be undetectable,” Schumer said. “It’s stomach churning.”

And those felons and terrorists are going to obey this new law?
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"Chucky" Chuck Schummer, full apopletic rant...soon to endorse legislation for an extensive, two-year minimum, in-depth background check followed up with an intensive polygraph test and FBI interveiw for the ANTICIPATED purchase of one (only one) 3-D printer. Folks, the wheels are definitely coming off the cart. All CPC (Congressional Progressive Caucus members) and their minions in ancilliary Progressive New Left Activist organizations are frantically flailing at windmills(a la Don Quixote) pity the poor horse.Pray. Amen.
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From what I've seen of this 'printed" gun, it looks like concealing it would be like trying to hide a cordless electric drill in a Speedo.
49 weeks ago
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Print money ,not guns.
49 weeks ago
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Chuckie obviously doesn't know about the Pathan gunsmiths, but then again, Chuckie obviously doesn't know much. This Nation is being run by people who don't know how to change a light bulb!
49 weeks ago
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This commenter says the senior member of only two senators from the third-largest state in the union "doesn't know much". He also states that most of those in Congress are incredibly stupid.

This is a "Top Rated" comment.

I've been thinking of doing a post on this subject over at Maggie's Farm and am going to boil the whole thing down to one little question:

If you were a home owner and wanted to protect it and your family with a gun, would you use a plastic PRINTED gun? Or would you buy a real gun at the store?

It's a straightforward question. Would you trust your life and your family's to a plastic gun made from a printer, or would you rather have an honest-to-goodness metal gun that you know will work.

Because if your answer is "a real gun", then you'll have to ask yourself just WHO is going to be using non-detectable plastic printed guns.

People who can't buy real guns, would be a pretty good answer.

There's another term for these types of people:

"Bad guys."

Just keep this in mind as the debate continues.

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It's not (yet) about making a gun that can be used in a conventional firefight. The idea is like its namesake; a low volume, field-expedient weapon that can be created in order to take brownshirts (if you think you're being ruled by an oppressive regime) by surprise so you can get THEIR weapons, which will be combat-ready. It's an old idea, and the 3-d printer is, at present, an overly complex approach to this idea. Heck, if memory serves, during Vietnam we were teaching guerillas to bore holes in blocks of wood and use nails as firing pins to do the same thing. Just google "zip gun" and it'll blow your mind how easy it is to make a field expedient firearm.

Beyond that, wake me up when I can use a sintering machine that costs less than $700 to print myself a Dragunov. I'm a big fan of 7.62x54R.
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Did you realize that the same guy who is pushing the limits on 3D printing of firearms has also made an AR15 lower receiver and that this lower receiver successfully fired many many MANY rounds of ammunition when assembled with other AR15 components?

Did you also realize that there are several companies mass producing AR15's with polymer lower receivers? It's just that those are likely injection molded rather than 3D printed.

Did you realize that AR15's are horrendously expensive these days - when you can even find one for sale?

Did you realize that a private citizen, equipped with a 3D printer or having access to a 3D printer, could make their own perfectly functional AR15 lower receiver and be completely within the law in doing so - and hence avoid that shortage of supply issue currently plaguing the availability of AR15's to the general public?

Did you realize these aren't "bad guys"?

Didn't think so.
49 weeks ago
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Something is right in the world when government lives in fear of the ever-watchful citizenry.
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Most of us already have the guns. When they can print workable ammo, then we might have something!
49 weeks ago
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Better find a good muzzleloader while you can.
49 weeks ago
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Wondering myself about the old concept of 'caseless' ammo. Been tried multiple times over the years but never really succeeded, but what I'm specifically thinking about was a version that had a bullet mounted to the end of a cylindrical propellant charge.

Technology may finally be hitting the level that would make this practical on a commercial basis.

The concept I recall actually did away with the primer and utilized a firing pin like probe that inserted into a hole in the back of the ammo. This hole traversed most of the length of the propellant charge so that when this probe energized/heated/charged, the propellant would ignite fairly instantaneously rather than just from one end, therefore no primer debris to deal with after the weapon fired - and no brass case to invest time and money in or have to eject from the chamber (or to jam).

Now, if you combine that concept with maybe ceramic bullets.....

Yeah, Schumer would be having $hit-fits.
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Daisy made a caseless round and a special rifle for a while and the military did some research but it didn't pan out, probably because the ammo was fragile.
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I understand they have issues with keeping moisture out as well.

Of course, if they come up with a robust and waterproof combustible casing for it that practically vaporizes upon ignition......
49 weeks ago
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What is "stomach churning" is Schumer's smarmy mug. Gotta keep this post short - time for my morning "Schumer."
49 weeks ago
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What would the Founding Fathers have done with a parliament of Shumers and Reids and Pelosis? Oh, wait. We know.
49 weeks ago
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Actually if you'd read the long version historical archived military legal review pertaining to militias and the gun rights issues you would know full well, the founderds did in fact have the Shumers and Reids involved in the framing of rights issues which became the rights amendment. The Schumers and Reids were then called the republicans -- before a republican party.
49 weeks ago
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An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. The first gun laws were created in the United States to keep freed slaves from defending themselves from Democrat KKK members.
49 weeks ago
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More unsubstantiated claims as usual....yawn....
49 weeks ago
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Pitchforks. Tar. Feathers.

In the more egregious cases, likely they'd have used some of that hemp rope they were growing....
49 weeks ago
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If it is homemade, it has not "traveled in interstate commerce" and remains outside federal jurisdiction. Any outlawing federal legislation would have to focus on the 3D Printers, their aquisition and use.
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You have to be careful with that one. I agree with you, but the Supreme Court's interpretation of what constitutes Interstate Commerce is a lot less desirable. "If it's created, it affects the market, and it's therefore subject to federal regulation" has been their go-to line since the 1930's.
49 weeks ago
49 weeks ago Link To Comment
My own feeling on the matter is this - the era of the federal government being able to regulate the manufacture of firearms is coming to an end.

The technology has matured to the point that the federal government cannot realistically hold back the tide any longer.

With everyone from Afghan tribesman with sheet metal and hammers making AK47s to college grads printing out 3D firearms getting into the game, it is an impossibility to continue regulating the manufacture of firearms.

Which, in all honesty, has not ever stopped a crime anyway.

So, why not consider aiming laws at how the individuals USE guns to deprive others of life or property rather than on inanimate objects themselves?

I'd say that's a far more reasonable approach - and would finally undo some 80 years of continuing federal overreach on the matter as prior to the FDR administration the federal government had NO firearms laws at all and we got along just fine.
49 weeks ago
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We can only hope.
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