There are no gun shops in Chicago, so they say, but murders are on pace to hit 730 for 2013. Guns are usually the weapons that the killers choose to use.
Two teenage boys were murdered over the weekend, and guns were the weapons used by the killers. One victim, 14-year-old Rey Dorantes, was reportedly shot while sitting on the front porch of his home. Fifteen-year-old Victor Vega was reportedly walking with another male when they were approached by an armed man who opened fire, killing Vega. In separate incidents, four other people were wounded via gunfire, and all but one of them were under the age of 17. There have been 21 homicides in Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s Chicago since the start of 2013. At least 15 of the victims were shot to death, and more than half were under the age of 30. It’s not known yet whether either boy’s murder was gang related, but Chicago police believe that the majority of murders committed within the city are the result of gang wars and gang violence.
According to a story published in March 2012, Chicago’s gang-related statistics are alarming:
Chicago is home to the largest gang population in the country, Fox Chicago reported in January. The Chicago Crime Commission reports 73 active gangs with 68,000 to 150,000 gang members in the city.
Territory issues are bound to happen with such large numbers of gangs chasing after the same profit. Uptown’s Wilson and Broadway cross section exemplifies this competition
“You look at the [Latin] Kings that tried to move into the area here,” said Pat Gordon, supervisor of the Uptown neighborhood branch of ONE/CeaseFire. “It didn’t come to fruition because there were too many gangs already in the area.”
Gordon said that the intersection is a war zone between the Black P. Stones on the West and the Vice Lords on the East – two gangs that take the profitability of that corner very seriously.
The unusual alliance between the Stones and another Chicago super gang would incite tension with the Kings, who are a cousin gang of the Stones under the Peoples Nation, according to Gordon.
ONE/CeaseFire intervened before conflict escalated. The Kings returned to their turf on Lawrence and Ashland.
“Just like a business, if you can’t bring in a profit to make ends meet at the end of the day, then it’s going to fall through,” he continued.
And before the new assembly (with its 3 under-indictment members came back to Springfield), Our old legislature approved giving Driver’s licenses to illegal aliens. What could possibly go wrong!?!?
Rhambo is more like a head Mafioso than a Mayor. He is so used to busting heads the political way, he can’t separate such misconduct from true governance. And the fact that protecting illegals is a given in his fiefdom, what else do rational folks expect to happen, other than mayhem and murder.
Moreover, these same gangs are involved in a lot more than garden variety gangsterism. They are deeply in bed with human smuggling, mostly of the Islamist/Hezbollah kind.
Does anyone wonder why Chicago-Pay-To-Play involves dangerous Islamic operatives, schooled under Anuchi, Rezko too? Do you know who your neighbors are,the ones who are being aided and abetted by many of those murdering in your street – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/09/14/hezbollah-burrowed-within-u-s-cities-latin-america-forward-bases-readying-to-pounce-addendum-to-northeast-intelligence-director-digs-deeper-and-do-you-know-who-your-neighbors-are-comm/
Telling the truth is racist.
Pointing out the obvious is racist.
Oatmeal with raisins is racist.
(I don’t know why on that last one, but I’m sure someone will come up with a reason.)
Well… ya see… it’s WHITE oatmeal “with” raisins- those little dark things. It’s not oatmeal AND raisins, that would imply equality between white oatmeal and dark raisins. It’s Oatmeal WITH raisins, implying a White Oatmeal World that tolerates the presence of some dark raisins. The world is assumed white by default, with the non-whites just some extraneous add-ons sprinkled in.
Racist, racist, racist.
How’s that?
Wait.. there’s more. Oatmeal… oats… horses eat oats. Horses are hard working and strong. Raisins.. grapes. Most grapes are grown to make wine. Wine makes people drunk and lazy.
So when you eat your racist oatmeal “with” raisins you are symbolically showing hard working strong whites supporting drunk lazy blacks.
My god, the stuff is so over the top racist it should be illegal! Marketing oatmeal with raisins is a hate crime!
Swami’s logic snake is alive and well. Well done, thou wordsmith.
I was thinking along the lines of this:
since oatmeal all but insists on keeping company with raisins, and raisins with oatmeal, to even state “oatmeal with raisins’ is redundant. Oatmeal WITHOUT raisins? “nonsense.. it never happens”/
Thus to remark on oatmeal WITHOUT raisins is to define an anomaly. Sort of like negroes and white children playing in the same sandbox.. of COURSE they will, they’re CHILDREN!!! Why even remark on it unless there is some strange value judgement?
Who can eat oat-meal without generous amounts of brown sugar? Sounds “diverse” to me.
Maybe the UCR forms should have check-boxes for criminal-on-criminal, illegal alien on citizen… crimes.
It is a shame that Progressives who control most of our major cities (aka our cultural, communication, tranportation, distribution, shipping, and economic hubs) are making such failures of these important instittutions. This negatively impacts all Americans, not just those unfortunate enough to live in the squalor and debauchery.
Chicago, soon to be confused on google street views with Detroit.
It is estimated that over 90% of MS-13 members are illegally here.
Why would this not apply to the other gangs as well?
This isn’t even Apples and Oranges, it’s Apples versus Apples.
Deploy the flipping National Guard into the inner cities. Let’s see how Traybon with his sideways-held Glock does against a Squad of troops. Let’s just.
Yeah, well, my Money aint on the Army’s National Guard Marksmanship program….
The last time they “opened-up” on an UNARMED crowd with RIFLES (Kent State) it was only four dead.
Piss-poor marksmanship, on line with the NYPD….
9 innocent bystanders shot in one incident always 3-5 “High Capacity Magazines” expended per event, with “perps” always struck in the single digits no matter HOW many rounds they fire.
The “Private Sector” usually does better than “The Government” when the chips are down.
Send in The NRA
“The last time they “opened-up” on an UNARMED crowd with RIFLES (Kent State) it was only four dead.”
Unarmed you say?
http://www.cleveland.com/science/index.ssf/2010/10/analysis_of_kent_state_audio_t.html
“A noisy, violent altercation and four pistol shots took place about 70 seconds before Ohio National Guardsmen opened fire on antiwar protesters at Kent State University, according to a new analysis of a 40-year-old audiotape of the event.”
Your point is taken, BUT..
“four pistol shots” verses a platoon (or maybe it was a whole COMPANY?) of trained “soldiers” with Semi-Automatic “weapons of war” makes the “opposition” for all intents and purposes “unarmed” from a tactical standpoint.
The fact that 20-50 students werent shot dead on the first volley, tells me the guys DOING shooting were INCOMPETENT.
Who was right or wrong is another conversation. My point is, whenever THAT much lead gets expended and the hit ratio is SO miniscule (like, in way too many police shootings we’re all familiar with?) , it tells me, a 30 year military/civilian Firearms Instructor, that the only explanation is grossly negligent “operator error”.
Perhaps many the guardsmen did not feel justified in shooting their fellow Americans, so they aimed high, or low. I would hope so. After all it only takes one provocateur with a pistol to get a lot of people killed.
Don’t suppose that they could have missed on purpose- fired to discourage/frighten the crowd, do you? At that range, marksmanship had little to do with it.
The cops w/ multiple 30 rd mags, that’s incompetence. It’s also full auto w/o using those inconvenient sight thingamajigs. Cowboy stuff.
“Perhaps many…did not feel justified in shooting…”
Yeah, we cover that situation on Training Day One, in about the first 15 minutes…
Anyone care to take a guess what you’re supposed to do WHEN YOU DONT FEEL JUSTIFIED IN THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE?
Anyone?
Bueller?
Bueller?
“‘four pistol shots’ verses a platoon (or maybe it was a whole COMPANY?) of trained ‘soldiers’ with Semi-Automatic ‘weapons of war’ makes the ‘opposition’ for all intents and purposes ‘unarmed’ from a tactical standpoint.”
Not if the initiators of force were in concealed locations or behind substantial physical barriers. Not if they shot and quickly bugged out to let chaos reign. That’s one of the reasons the NGs were nervous: there was yelling from various locations, chanting, rocks already being thrown, vagueness in their officers’ orders, people scattered about and friendlies impossible to discern from potential and actual attackers.
A friend of mine related that just few years later he’d been shot at by the campus cops at Ohio State U, using rubber bullets they called “knee-knockers” (which he learned because he was also a reporter and did some follow-up research), as he was walking home from work to his campus-edge apartment, oblivious that there was a rowdy protest going on in another part of campus, and the bobbie peelers were unable to tell threats from friendlies and scared out of their wits.
I strongly urge all to read : http://www.amazon.com/Kent-State-What-Happened-Why/dp/0449202739/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1358362454&sr=1-1&keywords=michener-kent+state . The background discusses the history of that Guard unit. IIRC, some ONG units had been involved in the truck strike actions. At that time, again IIRC, there was sniper activity.
Also of note is Michener’s chronology of previous events , and the discussion of Bernardine Dohrn”s activity.
It would be interesting to see Dohrn have to defend some previous quotes about the necessity for everyone to have firearms in a current forum such as Ingraham or Hannity : http://25thaviation.org/facts/id960.htm . GBUSA
This is why our Army/Marines do so well. Aimed fire versus just shooting indiscriminately or using full-auto to spray down an area. Weenies do the indiscriminate act. Against any trained professionals, they are meat.
come on, now.. tapes been with us forty years, and no one has yet “detected” those “shots”? I find that hard to believe. With all the kerfuffle over that shooting (I remember it well at the time) and the legal aftermath, it seems a wide stretch of the imaginatioin, let alone good lawyerly practice, that thes were not “detected” long ago. The National Guard, and our Government, would surely have brought such information to the fore, to justify what seemed at the time an event in the same vein as the Boston Massacre, back about 1773 or so. To cite lethal provocation would have quickly turned the tide of public opinion from strongly against and condemning to at least “well, I guess they had to shoot, they were under fire themselves”. Rewriting history from forty years on is far easier than getting it right the first time. One more “round” in the magazine of those who would grab our guns today…. “see, those kids WERE armed, and were firing on OUR TROOPS. We need to get ALL guns out of the hands of commoners”. WHY has this not been discovered before?
In any event, this applies. You respond to something with equal or greater force, not half-ass it throughout.
I am a citizen. I have a right to travel where I will, without fear. To allow these crapholes to be places where teens shoot people on a whim is a violation of that.
Shoot them all. Put the fear of God into them. Trayfarzt will NOT get to shoot me because he’s some disgruntled little gang-banger out to make a name for himself by “capping a white boy.” Fill his ass full of 7.76 holes. Kill the amoral barbarian mo-fo.
And of all of the above, that it even exists, HERE is the “perfection” of the society that the Liberals have given us.
Some Hispanic gangs have a lot of illegals.
Others don’t. There are plenty of U.S.-born Hispanic gangsters. That’s without even looking at Puerto Rican gangsters; all Puerto Ricans are citizens.
And of course, while Hispanic gangs are a huge problem, they are only part of the problem.
The Crips and Bloods are all U.S. born, obviously. (Well, not all. Some Hispanic gangs have affiliated with them; and there are enough recent black immigrants from the West Indies and Africa that at least a few have joined street gangs. But looking to deport the Black Gangster Disciples or the Four Corners Hustlers is a fool’s errand.)
As to the question asked in the title of the post:
My answer is “only in part”. The great majority of gang shootings in Chicago are black-on-black, as far as I can tell. The real problem is that the police department is underfunded and undermanned. Thousands of officers have retired in the last few years, but only hundreds of new officers have been hired. No new detectives have been qualified in five years. The result is that the “clearance rate” for homicides is only 25% – and only 16% are actually prosecuted. (The other 9% are cases where witnesses won’t testify, or the perpetrator is dead before he could be arrested.)
These policies stem from a belief of “not judging” people or their behavior. The only people they judge are the ones who stand on principle-based morals, which determines right and wrong, which is “racist” or “bigoted” and must be repressed at all costs, despite the destruction and death toll from being non-judgmental.
To their way of thinking, when lib/progs are “non-judgemental”, they don’t discriminate. When one doesn’t discriminate (e.g., between legal and illegal, between good and “questionable” behavior), one result is indiscriminate violence and bloodshed, doing the most harm to the people that the lib/progs claim to be defending.
Morals, logic and otherwise being a problem for left/liberals are “racist.”
With all those gangs vying for territory and market share, the cost to the consumer for narcotics and prostitutes is bound to drop sharply. I say let market forces do their job and deregulate the criminal industry in Chicago; those gangs best suited to survive will eliminate their competition…
Paraphrasing Cato the Elder (234-149 BC): “Chicago delenda est.”
The gangs appear to agree with that.
One way of thinking about it is that these gangs are just an alternative power structure. We encourage blacks to think of the system is against them, that discredits on a moral level the ‘white power structure’, and simultaneously undermines any kind of law enforcement. So, you get the replacement power structure. Black gangs operating on a combination of tribalism and the law of the feud. Hence, a lot of violence.
It is not an anomaly, it is simply the character of the political system.
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I think you’ve gone nearly the full distance, John Stone, for which I thank you. That’s one heck of an insight!
I believe the City of Chicago has abdicated in all but name. I assume it sill supplies utility services, but no longer presides over law, law enforcement, or justice. It continues to send out officers and detectives to solve crimes and make arrests, but everything the rest of the nation knows as law and law enforcement and justice no longer exists.
It seems to me that city has degenerated into a hodgepodge of warring mini-states presided over by gangs. By default of the city, each gang rules its own territory, defends it against incursion from other gangs, makes defensive and offensive alliances with other gangs, and generally acts as a wholly independent, primitive political and military entity. In the absence of legitimate government, the gangs have reinvented violent, tribal, endlessly predatory government.
Why do the people who live there put up with such a perverse state of affairs? How can they subsist in the midst of such wanton, unchecked violence? Why are gangsters preferable to the city itself? Why don’t people rise up in righteous wrath and demand genuine law and genuine justice and safety?
“I assume it sill supplies utility services, but no longer presides over law, law enforcement, or justice.” which makes it half a step behind Detroit which no longer has streetlights.
Why do the people who live there put up with such a perverse state of affairs? How can they subsist in the midst of such wanton, unchecked violence? Why are gangsters preferable to the city itself? Why don’t people rise up in righteous wrath and demand genuine law and genuine justice and safety?
The violent crime stats in Chicago are eye-popping to outsiders, but people in Chicago don’t really seem to notice (or care). That’s because the violence happens in black and Hispanic neighborhoods, which are generally far removed from the rest of the city.
Like maybe nowhere else in the United States, Chicago is a tale of two cities.
The crime stats give people the idea that Chicago is Detroit, but if you spend any time in the main parts of Chicago, you’ll see an extremely clean, affluent city full of liberal white hipsters.
Most of the crime is in the ‘hood, which is generally way down on the south side. And liberal white hipsters — most of whom claim to love the city for its “diversity” — go nowhere near the ‘hood. Hence, the violence doesn’t usually enter the consciousness of people who matter in Chicago … white liberals.
On the rare (but increasing, thanks to all the negative national attention) occasion that a white liberal cares enough to take notice of the violence that’s plaguing black and Hispanic parts of the city, he expresses cursory dismay, and then blames Republicans for crashing the economy and causing inequality. Then he blames racist white people in the suburbs for causing all the blight in the inner city (no joke!).
So there you go.
T.S., you absolutely nailed it!
Including “and then blames Republicans . . .”
Chicago’s murder rate is 10-15% lower than it was 10 years ago and almost 50% lowe than it was 20 years ago.
yes, but the crime rate for the nation as a whole has fallen much more.
The falling crime rate is in part due to average age; crimes are more likely to be committed by young people, especially men. The Baby Boomers have aged out of the prime crime-committing years.
love the family values that Rahm thinks is so good for the city. You know, don’t have Chick-fil-A come into the city, and leave it for those that kill with abandon, and make way for gangs.
How about going in and cleaning up the gangs.
Gangs in Chicago have political clout. They’re a big part of the “GOTV” (get out the vote) effort in parts of the south and west sides of the city.
Why would Rahm want to get rid of, or “clean up”, such useful street soldiers?
5 Facts About Guns, Schools, Violence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lyunRYMenY&feature=player_embedded
Well, if you were going to argue, as some have, that the people simply can’t be trusted to govern themselves without a Leviathan looking over them, then Chicago might be your case study.
And if you were going to argue in response that non-autocratic Leviathan couldn’t do any better than the mob, Chicago would also be your case study.
Maybe Chicago needs to vecome a ward of the State until its people show more capability for maintaining law and order on their own.
I left Chicago a long time ago.
It’s time to build a wall around the place, complete with machine gun nests, moats with alligators, you name it.
To stop politicians from getting out.
In my city gangs and the drug trade make up 90% of all homicides. If you push up the gang membership by shipping in ready made members of illegals then the math is just about as easy as it can be.
The left wants the violence, they want the societal breakdown. When the general public is finally scared to death, they will acquiesce to outlawing guns and martial law in a worst case scenario. If martial law is ever declared,, America will never see the Constitution again.
Of course, Chicagoans can just move across the border into “North Berlin” aka Indiana if they want a normal functioning state so it’s a little different. Gary is a disaster of course, but there are some normal places in the rest of “the region”.
True enough. We’ve had a sizable influx of mothers bringing their kids into Kalamazoo from Chicago to get them out of that hell hole. Sometimes it works, but even Kalamazoo has it’s own wannabe thug issues. Sometimes the kids get it right and create a new life and sometimes they just bring the big city with them and end up in the same spot they were in in South Chicago. What a world.
One thing most “media” organizations avoid when discussing the Chicago murder stats is it’s comparison to the military fatalities in the Middle East.
I wonder why?…..(no not really)
Yes, oatmeal & raisins is racist because the oatmeal is white and the raisins are “of color” and the oatmeal o era elms the raisins in the bowl, confirming the raisins’ minority status.
And I always like oatmeal with a cup of hot cocoa topped with marshmellows.
Hot cocoa is definitely rasict! No matter how much dark cocoa is in the cup, the white marshmellows are always on top.
White suppressor marshmellows are keeping the dark cocoa down!
The marshmellows could also represent the white-ruled CIA bringing in Central American cocaine to sell in the hood, to keep the good dark cocoa down. Racism is everywhere, you just have to keep looking for it.
The gun thing is getting more interesting. Some local sheriffs promise to handcuff feds:
http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/14/some-local-sheriffs-will-fight-the-gun-grab/
There’s a reason why reasonable people laugh at Third World and black American culture. It’s the big ape in the room political correctness has dampened down, but it’s there nonetheless.
The problem with that dampening is that solutions are looked for everywhere but at the source of the problem. The PC Left has settled on whites as the real problem when it comes to any non-white or Third World country.
There is no doubt that there is a connection. If you look even at stats for violent crime in MA- the sanctuary cities have the worst stats. The media chooses to ignore it and the politicians do as well. When Obama unleashes the third world on us look for all hell to break loose….which is why Americans are buying guns now before Obama and his crooked pols make us all sitting ducks.
Preston, Dunphy needs to slap you around. Chicago hispanic gangs are still run off of the fumes of the Puerto Rican diaspora of the 1950s. An inverse homestead program for DREAM kids or other deferrals, based on the real world evidence from Los Angeles, might actually help Chicago and other Rust Belt (black ghetto) cities. You are are a few half-sentences from the standard black response when queried about the drug trade – “we dont own no planes”. I dont think the black gangs would suffer being puppets of the Mexican cartels, and why would said cartel dirty their hands when the real stress-free money is elsewhere.
Most of the violent crime in America is committed by democrat voters. This includes mass inner city voter fraud, welfare fraud, organized crime, organized vice…………the list goes on and on.
Choose Your Own Crime Stats
An interesting look at Crime Stats in the United States using data from the FBI that doesn’t seem to be getting much discussion from either the press or politicians. There has been a 50% reduction in the violent crime rate in the last twenty years and neither political party is taking credit for this? I thought politicians always wanted to take credit for good things? Perhaps they don’t want to draw attention to the fact that higher crime rates seem to correspond with inner cities? The great thing about living in the United States is you’re Free To Choose, at least for now, so feel free to Choose Your Own Crime Stats if you don’t like these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa98FHuaU0&feature=player_embedded
It is well documented that the machine and gang leaders have a cozy alliance. The gangs help the machine get the vote out and the machine looks the other way. The only reason the city leadership is bent out of shape is that the violence is spreading beyond the gang invested neighborhood.
Rahmbo has no right to lecture the rest of the country on “gun control.”
So under a donk administration the old ‘thousand points of light’ have become muzzle flashes in the dark on the city streets…
Native born Chicagoan’ drug dealers are in a state of flux, there are too many cooks in the kitchen. Jive talkers and Cha-Cha dancing criminals refuse to share their territories with illegal Indians from Mexico. Gangbangers must learn from New York’s drug dealers how to get along.
Read Second City Cop blog; they’ll tell ya what it’s connected with.
This is another Chicago PD cop blog.
http://truenewsusa.blogspot.com/
I have to say I am little bit disappointed in my home state of Michigan’s Detroit City only coming in with 417 murders last year. I mean I think we have as much cred as those thugs in Chicago. 50% illiteracy, 80,000 empty houses, an implosion of population, corruption at all levels IMHO that makes Chicago look like a wannabe thug town. It’s a darn shame. But I swear we will be back. Yo.
Yo. how do we get one of those sanctuary city deals, that could solve our problem. Outside the box on that one man, gotta have more thinking like that if we going to compete on a level field man.
Where the people are disarmed, the thugs rule.
the part about his whole Chicago thing is how silent the media is. Here we have mainly black and hispanic children being killed by the bus load, and not a peep from the media or it’s water carriers. No protest marches by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. No “the government must do something” cries from La Raza.
Yet a shooting any where that doesn’t involve inner city kids, and it’s ban all guns, we have to do something.
As I stated yesterday responding to the article about Cornell West. It’s the drugs. This is what I said:
I take a more libertarian view towards drugs. Legalize everything.
“The short term effect of this would be almost Darwinian. A lot of idiots would check themselves out of the gene pool and good riddance to them. Following the initial purge, drugs would lose their glamor, power and appeal. Yes, some people would continue to do drugs but most would spurn them altogether and there would be a small number who would actually do them in moderation.
The much larger effect is that an entire multinational criminal enterprise would evaporate overnight. No more cartels, no more street pushers, no further need to engage in criminal activity to pursue a habit.
And once the illusionary appeal of being a drug dealer is no longer presented to ghetto kids, they won’t gravitate to drug dealing gangs. Drugs will be sold by ordinary, legal merchants, no different from liquor stores. Ever hear of a ghetto kid aspiring to be a liquor store owner?”
I believe today’s article proves my point.
“The primary business that the gangs engage in is illegal drug trafficking. Most illegal drugs are shipped into the U.S. from outside the country, with numerous paths crossing the border from Mexico. Mexico has seen far more than its share of gang-related violence over the past few years, with an estimated 60,000 killed in the drug cartel wars there in the past few years. That number is almost surely too low, because it does not take into account many killings that have taken place on the north side of the U.S.-Mexico border. There is strong evidence that at least some law enforcement on the U.S. side downplay cartel violence in their jurisdictions in order to make their crime statistics look better, so they can get re-elected, and keep federal crime grant money flowing their way.”
The definition of insanity is repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting different results. The drug war has not only failed, it has been lost. It’s time to face reality and give it up just as our ancestors finally realized the folly of Prohibition.
Obama Phone Lady Says: Darn Sure Won’t Vote for Obama Again! – 1/14/13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ghmBInC2N8
Folks you really make me feel goog to know that there are still people who son’t blame others for our troubles in our country..I was just wondering if maybe some of you have wondered why the young man killed thoes babird and teachers ?
Bear with me I’m old and maybr a wee bit off here..But Gun control was coming out if Washington every day..But it needed a push to get peoples minds off of work, feeding our famlies,taxes, spending,our goverment take pver…Now here we have a young man..He had mental problems we are told..How easy was it to program
him to do the very thing that was already a news itrm? It worked on hom anyway..
As long as it’s criminals killing other criminals, have at it.
Bingo.
The same crime waves are being seen in the SF Bay Area.
THe author is on to something. Foreign-influenced gangs have gotten the word – the police will look the other way. It’s open season.
FU, ACLU.
Mr. Preston did not pose the question about San Jose (for example). Rich Rostrom broke it down quite well in his closeout response to post #4.
Chicago is a great city…to be “from!”
I view these murders as an example of Very Late Term Abortions. What could be so bad about them then?