The “new” photo of George Zimmerman raises some very disturbing issues. Take a look at the black and white version of the photo, which the Florida prosecutor gave to the defense as part of the discovery process shortly after his altercation with Trayvon Martin.
Other than color, what else is missing from this photo?
Can you tell how old George Zimmerman is? To me, he looks like he could be any age from 20 to more than 50. But the graininess and lack of visible hair on the top of his head suggest that he is an older man.
The lack of color in the photo obscures Zimmerman’s race as well. As a friend of mine pointed out to me, the man in that photo is brighter in complexion than the man is in reality. The black and white photo renders Zimmerman a pale white. The whites of his eyes and his facial skin are nearly the same tone. The contrast makes his face emerge harshly from the shadows behind him.
The man in the photo above looks somewhat menacing. The misshapen nose suggests a history of brawls, the color having been drained away, taking with it the reds and purples indicating a fresh wound from a very recent attack. The vacant look in his eyes suggests no remorse for the killing of a young man, which the man in the photo had done moments before the photo was taken.
“This man might be a thug.” That’s the nonverbal message of the photo above.
Now, look again at the color photo. This is the unaltered photo, from which the grainy, black and white version was manufactured.
Seen in color, the “thug” who might be, becomes a wounded young man. Shock and fear ring his eyes. There may be small wounds or acne on his forehead. Blood drips from his nose and his lip appears to be busted open. His nose appears to be freshly broken. Instead of being a white ghoul emerging from shadows, he is a wounded man sitting in a car after a life-changing, possibly life-destroying, event has happened. The ghoul has flesh and blood after all. He bleeds.
From that color photo, taken in color at high resolution by law enforcement officers moments after the altercation, someone manufactured the grainy black and white photo and made the decision to hand that version, but not the full color version, over to Zimmerman’s defense. Who did that? Who manufactured that photo? How did they manufacture it? Why did they manufacture it?
Given what passes for cops these days, probably.
It wasn’t the cops but the prosecutor.
Bill, it was very likely the prosecutor.
As is the case in Israel, the AG’s office – which is the ‘umbrella’ organ for all prosecutor’s offices – is a mirror image of leftist hegemony run amok.
And under the radical, leftist, race-baiting reign of the Thug-in-Chief, his Racialist AG is the kingpin of all things incendiary. So, what does a prosecutor do when a high profile ‘racial’ case drops in his lap, other than take the lead from Holder’s lawbreaking team, thus doctoring a photo. Sounds crazy, not at all. At least if one understands who is stirring the racialist pot – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/27/barack-hussein-obama-the-radical-in-chief-his-subversive-underlings-lurching-from-one-anti-american-disaster-to-another-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/
And it is way worse than indicated above.
Israel does not have juries, grand or otherwise – the British did not apply that to their subjects – so if you’re put to trial, you’re pretty much convicted. The only reason the system works at all, here as in the in the US, is because they don’t bring up anyone on charges unless they are very sure.
Which is why I don’t trust media-driven prosecutions (such as of politicians or of Zimmerman), not here and not in the US.
And by the way, Bryan, the name “Zimmerman” does not say “white” to me. It says “Jewish”. (Or German, but that was not the case here.)
‘Zimmerman’ means ‘carpenter’ in German. A common German (not Jewish) name. Most German-Jewish names refer to Biblical passages, which is why they tend to fall into a number of broadly similar groups.
Not So! H ow about Goldberg, Goldstein, Fischbein Fishman, etc. These have nothing to do with the Bible.
The name could be either.
The sewers overflowed in America years ago: the collapse of popular culture, the dignity of women, the forced “diversity, multi culti, post modernism/structuralism, and the destruction of the family and a generation bent on destroying its civilization. The latter general phenomenon resulted from weak fathers and a Progressive Collective with over arching Oedipal compulsions-destroying the father, replacing him with the mother, and self loathing and suicide. Ada Liberalism is a mental disorder. (Hat tip to Michael Savage)
Now compare the Zimmerman case to the case in Chicago involving Bill Daley’s nephew.
Howdy Doody Time at the Chicago Sun Tribune
http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2012/12/05/howdy-doody-time-at-the-chicago-sun-tribune/
The dude was lynched, plain and simple. And then other lynchings took place around the country to reinforce the lynching of Zimmerman.
And the ADL was no where to be found, calling out the violent mobs of racists.
Holder and Obama are sending a message! Eff with a black man, I got his back. Truth does not matter!
Unless the killer is also black, and then they turn strangely mute….
An awful lot of people belong in jail over Trayvon Martin’s death, but George Zimmerman ain’t one of them.
A lot of people belong in jail over Benghazi, but Nakoula Basseley Nakoula isn’t one of them.
Amen. That’s a sign of prevalent insanity in the highest places, imo.
Full sanity includes moral sanity.
True.
He belongs in jail for being a convicted fraudster who flagrantly violated the terms of his probation.
So why is Timmy G. not in jail for tax evasion ? if you want to go all law and order on us …
Likewise, no one made the connection between skittles watermelon tea and ‘Lean’. It was all an innocent sweet tooth thang.
+1 for emphasis. It’s out there, but not enough.
“No one made the connection between skittles watermelon tea and ‘Lean’”
?? What connection is there, and what’s ‘Lean’? I guess I’m not on the memo distribution list.
“Lean” is a mixture of super-sweet drinks, like the watermelon-flavored sugar water he was carrying mixed with Skittles, and some cough syrups. Idiots use it to kill off brain cells.
Intrepid investigators have found Trayvon “tweeting” about it.
“skittles” is also slang for dextromethorphan (coricidin) aka poor man’s pcp. “Tea” means “T” => “THC” => marijuana. Trayvon may have gone to the back of the convenience store to pick up illegal drugs, then gotten some actual tea inside.
What I know for sure is one little scum bag is STILL DEAD where he belongs. Ha.
I really hope you’re a Moby and not serious.
His real first name is Abbey.
That whole situation epitomizes the term “justifiable homicide”.
I think you’re overlooking something. Everyone on the right seems convinced that this whole thing was done with the intention of railroading Zimmerman. I submit that it was done with the intent of manufacturing a controversy. It can’t hurt the media’s reputation for being biased, can it? The left is firmly convinced that the major networks are either unbiased or biased against them, while the right hated the media before this whole thing started. But because of the Zimmerman accusations and trial, everyone will be glued to a TV set somewhere when the gavel comes down. They get good ratings.
The media manufactured some of the “evidence” — NBC and the audio tape, for example — but it was done at the behest of “community organizers” aka race pimps.
Armed citizens need to understand this:
The State is NOT your friend. The State would rather you DIE at the hands of this punk, than usurp THEIR Ultimate Power as Lord and Master over your pathetic little life.
You WILL be second guessed, and held to a higher standard regardless of what any statute says.
Its just the way it is
When Zimmerman got out of his car, armed, he rolled a three sided dice with no winning face.
Side one: Confronting an “innocent” person, who then complains to the cops who are ALREADY on their way looking for a “suspicious character”…and I’m dressed in scroungy street clothes no different than the “perp”? Oh, and I’m ARMED? Yeah, THAT’S “nuanced” conversation I want to have on the street (not in my home?) with an Amped-up, Union Bum of The Police State, while armed…can you say “tazed and confused?” followed by “assault and resisting charges” and “weapons offenses” for simply trying to EXPLAIN this situation to Officer Clueless?
You lose.
Side two: This up-to-no-good-looking goon, really IS a Goon….and getting out of my car to “look for him” on foot WILL lead to a confrontation with his punk-ass attitude…one that I may have to shoot my way out it….thats not going to sell very well when the smoke clears and the second guessing begins.
You lose.
Side three: Nothing. Nothing at all happens. I get out of my car, look around, shrug my shoulders and go home.
Call it “zero”.
Three sided dice.
Lose, Lose, and zero.
You cant win that hand. No “good” will come from exiting the vehicle with the cops already on the way.
You are risking EVERYTHING, when the best possible outcome, is NOTHING.
Sometimes, that weapon on your hip is more liability than asset.
A Smart Armed Citizen will recognize those times, and act accordingly.
This isn’t hindsight. Its Forward Thinking. Mile away, 20-thousand foot, clear as day, red flashing lights saying “DONT DO IT, DUDE!”
Remember, Murphies Law is always in effect.
And The State is NEVER your friend.
They WILL do unethical things to convict you, even when THEY KNOW it is a “good shoot”, if you give them the slightest “in”.
The best weapon you have, is between your ears.
Use it FIRST, and you just may not HAVE to defend your ligitimate use the of SECOND, against the overwhelming resources of a Corrupt an Unethical State, that openly LIES about what happened.
Oh well, Gee Whiz ! That poor litle teenager with the gold (guilded) teeth and the gang name was just minding his own business on a night when no one would be really watching because of the rain. Why, just look at his innocent face in this old picture before he was a middle finger waving gangsta. I know ! Lets all get behind $harpton and Jack$on and march and demand the nasty old white person be strung up from the nearest lamp post. From his name, he even sounds like a Jew and everybody KNOWS about them. Lets call the president too so he can make another of his “acting stupidly” foot in mouth, racist statements.
And don’t forget to tell the ambitious, grasping prosecutor to slant all the facts so thet she can run for D.A. and get all the black support.
anyone who carries on a regular basis knows yhour three-sided die is a bogus metaphor. WE (and I include Mr. Zimmerman here) don’t go aggressibly into suspicious situatioins BECAUSE we are armed and feeling “tough”. No , not at all. We ALL know the risks. Mr. Z was merely trying to keep track of the suspicious person of unknown (at the time) race so that when the police DID show up, and they were on the way, they’d be more likely to find him. Note well, Mr. Z’s handgun never came into play ubntil AFTER the punk, already having tried unsuccessfully to murder him by smashing his head repeatedly into solid concrete, happened across it as they grappled on the grass. As the punk tried to get control of the weapon, declaring he was going to kill Mr. Z with it, the victim (I mean the man on the ground with the smashed head, not the punk on top of him trying to gain control of the gun so he could kill with it) was able to retain enough control to fire that one shot.
Attempted murder. By the prosecutors involved in this. Conspiracy to murder. They should be booked and frogged.
It shows a bloodied face, busted nose. Bad.
But Trayvon is dead. Have they released THAT crime scene photo?
Zimmerman is an cop-wannabee idiot with a gun. If he had listened to the dispatcher and stayed in his car, he would not be in jeopardy and Trayvon would be alive. No matter what some goombah policeman did up in Sanford scanning a photo.
Why do you lie?
The dispatcher never told him to stay in his car. And the only reason he was “in jeopardy” was the drug-addled ghetto-culture thug attacked him.
Zimmerman was a responsible citizen looking out for the interests of his own home and neighborhood, one which had suffered recent break-ins. Yet there’s a lot of cops who are “cop wanna-be idiots with guns”, as sad news reports over recent years show. A uniform doesn’t magically transform a citizen into some superman of unquestionable authority and perfect rational behavior.
Sure it does. We call it training. You cannot tell me that a well-trained law enforcement officer would have had to shoot that kid.
There are an awful lot of unarmed corpses in Denver (among other cities) that make me a little suspicious of that training.
Tell that to Amadou Diallo.
That is true. And I have been beaten up by the cops before, so I have no brief for defending cop violence.
Matter of fact, there was a really bad police takedown here a few months back, where they gunned down a guy at his doorstep and it turns out he was the wrong guy. They were looking for the guy in the next apartment. So the wrong guy answers the knock on the door in the dead of nigh and makes sure he has his own firearm in his hand because the cops did not identify themselves when they knocked. So he must’ve thought it was somebody up to no good. The police saw the guy’s weapon and hosed him down with their own weapons. No chance, instantly dead. Those cops are now in deep trouble.
And here is the worst part. The guy in the next apartment, the one they were supposed to arrest, was finally arrested, suspicion of attempted murder, some kind of a fight. But after they investigated, the DA dropped the charges.
So not only do they kill the wrong guy, but the right guy was innocent. That was just a few counties away from Seminole County, where Trayvon was killed.
But criticize those cops for not being trained. Ask “Jack Dunphy” if they are trained to get into the same jam that Zimmerman got in. I’ll bet you a box of donuts that no cop other than Barney Fife would’ve been in danger of getting a punch in the nose from Trayvon.
Even if what you say is true (and I’ve known enough cops with enough broken noses to know it isn’t) it doesn’t change anything.
Everything, absolutely EVERYTHING, done by Zimmerman before he pulled the trigger was unquestionably legal. No one has suggested that he initiated the violence. But just for the sake of argument let’s say Zimmerman was the awful person the media keeps trying to make him look like. Let’s say he straight up started following Martin because he was black. Let’s say he called the police because he assumed, groundlessly, that Martin was casing places to burglarize. And let’s say he followed Martin for the same reasons.
Even if ALL that was true Martin had three choices:
1) Ignore Zimmerman and keep walking, or even running towards the house he was staying at.
2) Stay put, call the cops himself and, if Zimmerman is breaking the law, press charges
3) Jump Zimmerman and start beating the crap out of him.
Option 3 is the only illegal one, and it’s the one Martin chose. Once he chose it nothing, morally or legally, obligates Zimmerman to just lay there and take the beating.
Martin is dead because he chose to commit a felony and chose the wrong victim. Even if Zimmerman is a “cop wannabe” it’s completely irrelevant.
And, James Felix, even if Zimmerman had been the horrible racist person the media made him out to be – he still didn’t break the law, not at any point. The evidence exonerates him. Yet he’s in the hole for who knows how much money now, wearing an ankle bracelet, has no income, and basically is leading a miserable life until his trial. The man’s in hell right now for doing something an awful lot of us here would also have done.
“Sure it does. We call it training.”
You suffer from extreme delusions. Any officer would have fired on a man assaulting them who had them down, or anytime they felt their life was in immediate danger.
“A uniform doesn’t magically transform a citizen into some superman of unquestionable authority and perfect rational behavior.”
No it doesn’t, in fact, a uniform and especially the union that can go with it imbues many with a sense that they are infallible, and that if they aren’t it doesn’t matter much.
Shooting wise, “civilians” shoot the innocent at far lower rates.
There is no evidence Zimmerman tried to arrest Martin illegally, why do you imagine he was a wanna be cop? Frankly, seems to me he wanted to be better than a cop…which isn’t as hard a job as you may think it is.
You just have to agree with yourself you won’t take a paycheck a politician signs in return for doing evil things.
“well-trained”?
Ha. That myth might be funny if it were not so tragic.
Yes, SOME are. Many are NOT.
And even a well-trained officer might have had no other choice.
If Martin hadn’t attacked Zimmerman, he’d be alive too..
Now THERE’s a thought!
Most Deadly Force Statutes, in most states, have language addressing the threshold use of in terms like:
“as would a law enforcement officer, in the lawful performance of his duties”
Cops shoot “threatening” suspects all the time, no physical contact before shooting is necessary.
The bloody face/head, busted nose, and the fact Zimmerman was on the bottom of the scuffle, should, in a fair world, make it a slam dunk case of self defense. Basically, Trevons Family (and the Prosecutor?) need to ask:
“would a COP have shot his ass for doing that?”
If the answer is “yes”, (and it is) then it’s a good shoot.
He didnt learn about carrying a “throw down,” yet, being just a wanna be.
We should all keep our heads down until a cop can arrive? When did I cede my country to that? Sure, best case scenario is to let cops do their thing, but my neighborhood is my neighborhood. If push comes to shove, and if I can’t even ask someone a question without a confrontation, that’s no neighbor.
If reading Jane Eyre and holding web design competitions was popular with black youth instead of what actually is, a lot more would be alive. Rub enough people up against one another like tinder and they’ll burn.
“… instead of what actually is…”
Then why did you vote for Comrade Obama? He is the overseer of that plantation.
cop wanna-be? No chance. Mr. Zimmerman was putting hismelf on the line to do SOMETHING about the string of housebreakings in that very neighbourhood, and was well known to the cops, who apparently trusted his judgement, else they’d haev ignored THIS call as insignificant. The punk kid is dead because he jumped a man from behind, tried to kill him by smashing his head into the sidewalk, then tried to take away his handgun after discovering it as they tussled. Note well, Mr. Zimerman never once brought the handgun into the incident, even as he was being bludgeoned to death by the larger and stronger kid. It was the punk brought the gun into play, and at that point Mr. Zimmerman was confronted by a lethal weapon.. his own, and the second one in a short time (the concrete was the first). Had the punk NOT jumped the other guy, he’d be alive today. Probably in jail for something or other… prowling about the neighbourhood after dark, in the rain, poking about in people’s backyards with no reason, and we never have seen the toxicology reports on what was in his blood that night. Those tests were certainly done…..
and no law enforcement officer “ordered” Mr. Z to “not follow” the suspicious person.It was a dispatcher (no LEO authority, a desk jockey. a trained one, but still…) saying “we don’t NEED you to do that”.. at which point Mr. Z left off following the punk and turned to go back to his car. It was AFTER Mr. Z was returning to his car (having left off persuit of the kid) said kid jumped him from behind, took him down, and began the process of killing him by bashing his head into the sidewalk.
SO.. who is the aggressor here? Note also, despite the FACT that Mr. Z was armed (lawfully and rightly so), it was not Mr.Z who brought the weapon into the situation, it was the punk, sitting straddle of him and trying ti kill him, who discovered it, tried to get control of it with the expressed intent of shooting the owner of the gun. Only THEN did Mr. Z retain control of the weapon sufficiently to fire the one fatal shot. ANY cop, in that situation, would have fired long before… and his partner, being nearby, most certainly would have.
Personally, I salute GZ for his act of bravery. And you are lying. I heard the dispatcher. “we don’t need you to do that” is not ordering GZ to stay in his car.
One dead thug-wannabe not cluttering up our prison system.
Yay!
If Teyvon Hadn’t approached an armed CITIZEN he would be alive
The fact of the matter is that Trayvon is dead and nothing justifies it. Nothing.
But you keep trying.
Sometimes I think you guys who post in here are so taken up with gun ownership that you’ll defend just about anything that a man does with a gun, even, in this case, killing a young kid. BHO has you guys in such a frenzy that you forget the big things: that kid had a right to live and that right is prior to the Constitution, and holds no matter what our Constitution says. The right to keep and bear arms cannot justify killing some teenager, even one who punches you in the nose.
Or would you claim that anybody that punches you in the nose deserves the death penalty?
No, you guys get zero agreement from me on this. George Zimmerman was an untrained idiot with a gun and that young man is dead because of Zimmerman’s mistakes.
X-contra,
You seem determined to twist the facts to fit your version of reality. You try to change the subject to gun rights. Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman. He didn’t realize until it was too late that Zimmerman was armed. You live in an alternate reality where if a black person is the victim, then the black person must be innocent. All you see is the color of his skin. You are not interested in what really happened.
Whatever.
Ha, yes, the tired, “Whatever.”.
The common response of the feeble-minded when confronted with facts.
Trayvon attacked someone in a manner that threatened his victim’s life.
That is justification for shooting in any free society.
“The right to keep and bear arms cannot justify killing some teenager, even one who punches you in the nose.” If it had been one punch in the nose, that would have been one thing, but it wasn’t. The late Trayvon Martin had (allegedly) struck Mr. Zimmermann from behind, knocking him down, then, after straddling him MMA-style, continued to pummel him. After discovering that Mr. Zimmerman had a gun, Mr. Martin attempted to take it whereupon he was fatally shot. If this had been some young white thug who had been fatally shot after assaulting Mr. Zimmermann or some “person of color”, I doubt that your ire would have been so aroused.
Who knows if that MMA stuff is true, Thunder? He was ambulatory afterwards, didn’t get sent to the hospital, so I have to question it.
No witness seems to have actually watched the full altercation. Zimmerman has his story, but he will not be able to relate that in trial, and in any event, he has suborned perjury already once, with his wife now in jeopardy for that crime, so Zimmermen’s credibility is compromised. I would not go by anything he says; even if he says the sun is shining, I would make sure to look out the window.
You probably have a pair of guys in a dark area, both afraid of the other, one or both of them made a wrong move or said the wrong thing, and the next thing you know, one guy has a broken nose and the other guys is dead. That is normal human fear, ignorance and stupidity — plenteous supply in the human race, right?
And I am not saying Trayvon was not an idiot. He might have been. But that cannot justify his death.
Abstract away your fear and rejection of Obama and his mob, Sharpton and his manipulations, and just look at it without having to defend right to bear arms, because I guarantee you that the trial judge will admit no claims of that kind in defense, and O’Mara sounds like he is not making claims of that kind.
It is a tough situation but I cannot find any justification for that young man’s death. Maybe he deserved arrest for assault, maybe he deserved a punch in the nose, but not death.
Whether Zimmerman gets convicted for manslaughter, second degree murder or something else, who knows? I take Janet Reno’s method: I never predict the jury before they return the verdict.
Have you seen the photos of Zimmerman? If ‘yes,’ why do you insist on denying reality? In fact, I’d venture to describe you as a rather run-of-the-mill ‘progressive’ liar. The back of Zimmerman’s head was split open, and blood was coursing out of it. His nose was smashed flat – sliced open, actually, from the punch that flattened it – as can be seen in the COLOR pic. These injuries are entirely consistent with a person who has had the crap beaten out of him – head bashed on a hard surface (sidewalk, street pavement, etc.) and nose battered to the point where the bridge is squashed and blood is released through the nostrils. I suspect your tic-like adherence to the “Trayvon was Murdered” meme is simply one of political fealty. You are a good – albeit zombie-ized, like most lefties – soldier, following orders. The facts – notwithstanding the media’s, prosecutor’s and leftwing’s efforts to hide and/or distort them – reveal the hollowness of your position. A thug was prowling a burglary-riddled neighborhood after dark, realized someone was watching and so attacked that “some one” – and got shot for his trouble.
TRevon is dead because HE was beating on an armed citizen and the citezen exercised his RIGHT to Self defense, and that JUSTIFIES it you moron
A thug wanna be ran into a better armed cop wanna be … thug lost … it was going to happen eventually to Martin …
How’s that cool-aid taste?
Ab intio, the cops made the right call, as those who saw through the media narrative grasped.
Maybe now the real trial/investigation can begin.
This is clear evidence of malfeasance. Overt race baiting for political ends.
Zimmerman had protested some sort of police behavior some time before. Don’t recall what it was.
The one PD detective who appears to have really twisted the case was also involved in the prior (or had friends who were). Name’s Serano, IIRC (and memory may be wrong.) Months after the incident, he was quietly xfrd to the PR dept, or some place similar, to serve out his remaining time until retirement.
This will cost the town, and the State, a huge bundle of money. It was someone in the PD “getting back”. The town’s kimono is wide open and its nuts are firmly upon the block.
If Barack Obama had a brother, he would behave like that PD officer.
“Zimmerman had protested some sort of police behavior some time before. Don’t recall what it was.”
Brilliant!
As there is no longer any such thing as an Objective, Professional Media in America, I will continue to go with my gut impression: the “kid” had no one to blame but himself for winding up dead on a sidewalk. Zimmerman should have just called the police and left it at that. He took too much responsibility upon himself in confronting someone who was up to no good. But that is all hindsight. Mr. Zimmerman’s reality went down in real time. He made his decision, and The Press, reacting to the “racial” complexities of the incident, lined up to convict him without a questioning, hearing, or trial. Maybe they were right, but I seriously doubt it.
“Brilliant!”
You have no idea what I was writing about, do you?
It was reported on blogs back in the day. Months or a couple of years before the Zimmerman/Martin fracas, someone else had gotten some sort of a raw deal from Sanford law enforcement, and Zimmerman had publicly gone to bat for them — IIRC, leading a petition drive or a protest campaign. The detective who wrote the primary report on Zimmerman after the Martin attack had been involved, in some way, in that prior. He could easily have had reason to be holding a grudge.
This should be enough for you go research upon. (If you care to do so.)
What this shows without a doubt is that Zimmerman attack Martin’s fist with his face. Or that’s what pass for logic for Martin’s supporters.
“Who did this? For what purpose?”
Who?
Politically motivated insiders of the Leviathan.
For what purpose?
To support the Power of The State, that is their very feeding hand.
Private citizens are the subjects of the ruling elite. That they purposely divide us into warring camps to best support their agenda (from Jim Crow to Racially themed Political Correctness) is the Right of the Monarchy.
This may indeed have been an “independent” act of some low-level minion, because they know what the outcome is “supposed” to be. No “orders” need to be given. They know their bosses believe that Free People ARE NOT to be permitted the exercise Deadly Force, as such is an affront to the Power of The State.
All who do will be punished, so long as it can (for now) be made to look plausible. The additional “racial” aspect of this particular situation provides the perfect cover…plausible deniability of their real intent.
“Ya know, we’re SOOO concerned for the rights of (a particularly useful subject class) who’ve been HISTORICALLY victimized that, OOPS was that B&W Xerox misleading? Gosh, our HEARTS were in the right place, weren’t they”
And most will, in the interests of “racial harmony” excuse this “mistake” as mere coincidence. Nothing to see here folks, move on. The Media certainly will (wink, nod) because they are already aligned with the “official narrative”, which is merely a slim cover for overturning The Second Amendment.
Angela Corey may eventually be exposed as every bit as Evil, as Mike Nyfong.
Insiders of the Leviathan, and their minions, usually are.
The truth doesn’t matter to the race hustlers and lame stream media with their agenda that black thugs are innocent young boys, and people that defend themselves are racists/haters.
Time to change this scenario and time to call those race hustlers onto the carpet for their lies, inconsistencies and blatant hypocrisy.
I think the Governor of the state of Florida is going to allow prosecutorial misconduct to thrive. He could st this, but won’t.
Because Florida Republicans don’t challenge political correctness, they sacrifice to it.
“stop this”, not “st”. Too bad I mispelled it, because it allows the establishment to just laugh it off as the ramblings of the ignorant.
Of course they can laugh it off. They aren’t on trial because MSNBC and Al Sharpton demanded it. At least they keep their corporate campaign contributors happy. Us liberty-folk, not so much.
It’s a photocopy.
Any more questions?
This is one important question. But the larger question is why did it take extraordinary demands to the court, from the defense to obtain the best, and readily available photographic evidence? The best available image, which clearly shows physical injury to Zimmerman, taken by police immediate to the event, was repeatedly withheld by the Prosecution, for months. Why?
Tampering with evidence is a crime. Intentionally withholding exculpatory evidence by the Prosecution, is a crime. This behavior, “manufacturing”, will be litigated, and criminal sanctions of individuals are a real possibility.
We are learning facts. We must separate the many untruths from facts.
No, it’s at least a 3rd generation photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy. You must be older than Noah’s ark if you think that’s what a photocopy looks like.
Techno, my butt.
Wrong! (and I’m on the side of Zimmerman, given known evidence) Here’s why:
>Copied the color .jpg (from above) to desktop, then opened file to print.
>Printed a really good graytone&fax optimized HiRes B&W copy on dated printer (HP5510 “All-in-One” scanner/color printer/fax). Nice pic, almost good as color!
>Repeated above for HighestRes color copy possible on same machine. Shows no more significant detail, except color.
>Took both printouts to an older laser fax/copier (HP “LaserJet” 3100). Made copies and sent myself a fax (2).
>Result practically indistinguishable, (B&W copies/faxes) in both cases, from the lousy B&W shown above.
>Conclusion: NO MULTIPLE iterations needed to yield the substandard result. IOW, one pretty good print, color or B&W – no quality difference), sent through an (older) fax machine, or laser B&W copied in same, suffice to produce the abominable B&W rendering in Bryan’s post.
So, was there malicious intent on the part of law enforcement? Just sloppiness? Dated equipment involved? — I don’t know. From the physical evidence here presented, there is no way to tell. Sorry!
Hey, techno moron all the crap you mention is meaningless the statye withheld the actual photo and your an idiot
I thought fax as soon as I saw it.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor
Crunchbird my foot!
No, its not a “photocopy”.
Its evidence, evidence the Stae has sole custody of, that you must “request” in order to present it to a jury when you life is on trial.
And its been purposely and intentionally “manipulated” BY The State, in the hope the Jury will NEVER SEE the obvious, dramatic and EXCULPABLE evidence supporting your case.
Its an obvious attempt by the State, to TAMPER WITH EVIDENCE IT DOESNT LIKE.
Any other questions?
Sorry typo:
Should be “state has soul custody of”
Should type it in word, then proof-read, but I actually have a life beyond the web.
Wrong again, possibly on all counts! (See my reply to Who is Richard Windsor, above.)
The soles of your shoes are (hopefully) never used to tread upon the sole soul of a friend (nor anybody else, for that). Let us pray!
Sorry, that should read “sole” not soul.
It’s a photocopy, the settings of which were selected to hide the wounds inflicted on this man. That copy wasn’t taken on “default” settings. They altered the settings to select the photocopy most advantageous to their case/narrative.
Questionable! — I used the BEST possible settings on ageing equipment to obtain the same lousy result, on my first try. Let’s not torpedo our own case by impugning evil motivation where possibly there isn’t any such thing. (Does not apply to PravdaMedia, or race baiters, where malevolent intent is likely, if not certain. A different story.)
Fine – you want malice then look no further than that “independant” prosecutor who practically announced the man guilty and called for a lynch mob on him. Then loaded him up with so many charges he’ll be lucky not to get life for j-walking.
Yeah, The equipment used by everybody in this case is so bad that it it makes six foot two inch, seventeen year old Travon Martin look like a cute little sixth grader.
“Let’s not torpedo our own case by impugning evil motivation where possibly there isn’t any such thing”
Seriously? They fought tooth and nail to prevent the defense from getting the original digital, color photo. What ELSE could that mean?
You probably also believe you can lose weight by drinking a chocolate flavored milk shake, because the comercial says so..
The check is in the mail, oh, and the SPENDING cuts will kick-in AFTER they get the TAX INCREASES they want…
Its The State, they couldnt POSSIBLY be lying to us, could they?
your still an idiot, the state withheld the original photo you moron stop defending them. they (the Prosecutors did this on purpose) the defense has been asking for the original for months. you an idiot for defending them stop it
When did Obama say he supported the New Black Panthers bounty?
When?
When he refused to condemn those actions, by his vocal, violent supporters, who’s leaders he has heavily praised in the past.
Wittness the rapid Republican “condemnation” of a particular fellow who said something stupid about abortion, verses the silence of Obama when his supporters call for the extra judicial murder of an innocent man.
Thats when he said he supported the idea…
It was shortly after he gave them the green light FOR that idea, when he said “if I had a (teenage punk-thug with an entitelment complex) son, he would look like (and act like) Trevon”
IN THE YEAR 2012 COLOR scanners and printers are among the most common office equipment in America. It is beyond reasonable belief to think that the prosecutors did not have EASY access to such equipment.
Probably the most convincing and likely answer.
But they did not have a color copier available? Or any way to adjust their copy machine to give a more accurate result?
Misleading at best and arguably a violation of the discovery rules, even if no one went out of their way to doctor the picture.
“Probably the most convincing and likely answer”
That’s because I just took the description and explanation used by the defence team itself, as reported by fox.
I also note (from the same fox news source) that the defence team has had the colour photo for a while. It just hasn’t been “official evidence” that they could use in court.
I don’t think this is a conspiracy, it’s just a screwup.
If you had ever had personal dealings with D.A.’s you wouldn’t come to that conclusion so easily.
And why do you think this District Attorney rejected a grand jury and then filed the highest charge possible when the police and previous district attorney weren’t even going to file any charges?
Scapgoating? No. Lynching.
What we really need to watch for now is the pressure and manipulation that will be leveled at the court and the jurors during the trial. This has happened several times before in the last two decades so why wouldn’t it happen again with such a sympathetic White House and “Justice” Department?
IIRC, Before calling in the “independant” prosecutor, I believe that Holder said he would bring charges if the police department didn’t do the “right” thing.
I think I’m not alone when I hear the term “Criminal Justice System” and I think that the word “criminal” is an adjective describing the “justice system”.
My best wishes for Prosecutor Angela Corey: Tar. Feathers. Repeat.
Read “White Girl Bleed Alot”
http://whitegirlbleedalot.com/
Just finished White Girl Bleed a Lot. Great book. Even Thomas Sowell said he had no idea how bad it was until he read it. Now that is saying something. whitegirlbleedalot.com
Can someone tell me, why the eff are ACTUAL photocopiers being used for evidence anymore?
All the scan and print machines do a nice greyscale rendition of photos. You just need to tell it that it’s a photo
It’s 2012. Do these effing lawyers use carbon copying as well?
Mimeographs.
Every district attorney’s office in America ROUTINELY makes copies of photographs and other evidence. It’s part of their job; something they do on a daily basis.
“Can someone tell me, why the eff are ACTUAL photocopiers being used for evidence anymore?” I’ll tell you.
With the copying equipment now readily available and relatively inexpensive their is only one reason that such a poor copy was made: because that is the way they wanted it to look.
George Zimmerman, and all of us really, are in the clutches of something much bigger than it appears.
The real thug was trying to kill Zimmerman. That’s called murder.
But that crime is less severe than what the media and the prosecutor have done, because in additition to trying to kill or imprison George Zimmerman for life, they lied and manipulated the law to do it, and did it in front an audience of millions.
“They” will do anything to further their agenda. NBC did some creative editing on a sound track recorded during Zimmerman’s arrest. The only picture we ever saw of Martin was one taken at least 5 years ago with not one mention of his current facebook picture and/or name.
It’s all on the great dividers agenda.
Given my experience with prosecutors I would be surprised if it was NOT them who altered the photo. Criminal evidence tampering if done by any one else. From what I have seen of prosecutors, and see from this one, most of them have probably visited more destruction on innocent people than the vast majority of the individuals they have prosecuted.
But its ok as far as they are concerned. The public exists for them to use to enhance their resumes.
Absolutely. The public are props for their career advancement. They are ready to ruin lives if it serves that goal.
The first image does not look like a grainy black & white image so much as a deliberate graphic representation such as a posterization or rasterization. And why if the original photo was color and available would anyone go even to the trouble of rendering it as a black and white, much less take the trouble to produce a graphic version?
Seriously! Especially when most cameras are digital and all the police department needed to do was download the image and email it to the defense attorney.
Even easier: you can snap a color picture of any hard copy photo with your smart phone and text or email it in one click. Try it – the repro quality is unexpectedly good.
I really hope this case is a wake up call to conservatives that the police are not on our side, but a tool of the socialist police state. This sort of thing isn’t new, it happens all the time.
And how far is the News willing to go to try this case in the press, and exonerate Zimmerman without a trial with all the facts.
I am a Patron Member of the NRA, A CCW holder, I am Retired Military, I have been a officer of the law.
Zimmerman needs answer as to why He pursued a kid for over 15 minutes, across a dark town, in the middle of a rain storm, and then, left the safety of His vehicle, when he was clearly instructed by Dispatch that it wasn’t necessary for Him as a Civilian to do so.
Yes, Let the Courts do their job, Not let the Defense Team try the cast in the News.
I think you mean “across a gated community.” The rest of the “facts” in your comment are even less accurate.
You seem more like a member of a lynch mob.
Ever notice the trolls just repeat the same writing format? Yeah, I’m a worldly guy but yammer,yammer what if? Life is too short to be lying all the time.
Not sure if you have been fed errant information or you are pushing the meme that the left is trying to establish. “Pursue” would indicate Zimmerman had intentions to “Overtake” or “Capture” the youth. There is no evidence to support that theory.
Secondly, as noted by other response, the following of the youth did not encompass a town or village or city. It was a small portion of a gated community and while I can’t recall the elapsed time of the event, I don’t believe it took 15 minutes.
Thirdly, the weather conditions were not a “Rain Storm”, a squall or a tropical depression. It was a light rain. Fact of the matter is; the Courts would not even be involved if there wasn’t an outcry by a certain segment of the populace with help from outside, nefarious, entities. The police did not arrest Zimmerman due to evidence or lack there of. Only when intense heat was brought upon the city and its officials, by an ideological media, did Zimmerman get pulled into the abyss.
You have probably trisected angles too.
Don’t you mean that in the end it was trayvon martin pursuing zimmerm…. oh, hell forget it.
Please don’t carry your gun anymore. I only want clear thinking individuals carrying firearms. You don’t seem to fit that bill. What you do seem to want is for modern day men to give up their obligations to be men and become … what? Wimps? Prey? Victims? All of those?
By going back to his vehicle Zimmerman was deescalating the situation. Martin, by pursuing Zimmerman was creating the immediate confrontation that resulted in his death. Martin died because he was stupid. That should be chiseled on his headstone.
On the internet, nobody knows you’re a dog.
Well since Zimmerman killed the son Obama would have had, he sealed his fate. Obama can order him executed in the name of fairness.
And if he walks free, as he should, expect riots in the hoods.
I miss old America, obamerica sucks rotten eggs
Al Sharpton thought that he had a Jew in his sights. The name “Zimmerman” was just too tempting for him so he lynched him. Øbama piled on. These are despicable people.
They are so low that all other lots they should envy. May Justice find them and may Mercy scorn them.
M@rk, I suspect you’re right. If his name had been Jorge Zuniga, it’s hard to tell if he would have gotten the same railroading, but there’s no doubt it would never have become a national story with statements from Obama and the rest. Unfortunately, I’m not sure that ambitious prosecutors wouldn’t have played the rest of this out the same way in the name of gun control. The one message to be taken from this, regardless of your race or anybody else’s, is that the state is not your friend. If the state sees an opportunity to solidify or justify its powers, it will take it and woe to the poor soul who gets in the way.
Hey, Rachel Corey’s gotta get promoted… sorry ’bout that, George.
Martin got what he brought upon himself. Good ridence. The world is better off without him.
Was this not just another case of black on black crime? I grant that Martin may be just a tad too dark to attend a lot of light skinned black churches or to belong to a lot of light skinned black frat houses that Zimmerman could have gone into, but hey — this is America! Just because Zimmerman has a Kraut name it should not make him a NAZI. Although Obama likely believes him to speak the Austrian langusge as Adolph did.
I just love this country!
Truth be told this case is about percieved racism and class warfare to help reelect the marxist in charge. Zim Called the cops,got sucker punched,yelled for help,was knocked out,got his head slammed into the cement, feared and fought for his life. Just how many black on black deaths get this attention? None
The sad answer is none. The people prosecuting George Zimmerman don’t care about Trayvon Martin or blacks in general. Trayvon Martin’s death is being used for political leverage. Many thousands of black youth have been killed in recent years, and the press simply ignores it.
“Never let a crisis go to waste. ”
Guy with Jewish name kills black teenager. My guess? The Obama campaign rolled out the Commander-in-Thief before they realized Zimmerman was an Hispanic guy. The reason? Liberals bend over backwards to prove they aren’t racists.
I think you’re right. That’s why Zimmerman became the first known “White” Hispanic.
Liberals would have twisted themselves into pretzels in order to prove they were not like Zimmerman.
As a twenty-plus-year attorney who has worked civil and criminal, let me just add this:
In all adversarial cases, both civil and criminal, the exchange of evidence and documentation is the rule. You can generally be cited for some sort of professional ethical violation in most jurisdictions if it is shown that you have intentionally failed to share what you have with the other sides.
When you need to disclose a color photograph to the others, you make a color copy, and the resolution of that copier had better be high enough so that the resulting copy that you convey to the others is a very close representation of your original version.
In most normal states, what this prosecutor has done would result in the loss of her job, and maybe criminal charges. In Florida, Illinois, and a few other states, it must be akin to learning to throw a new pitch, given how often it seems to appear and how seldom there are any ramifications.
Pam Bondi, Angela Cori, Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda, and the Chief of Police should be hauled into court and asked to explain themselves. Zimmerman has, and continues to be, set up to take the fall for protecting his life very simply because a “bruther” was involved. The withholding of evidence used to be a serious issue. Now, it seems that it is a case of nuancing the facts and evidence in order to arrive at a predetermined outcome, and counting on people being stupid enough not to notice. I hope a Zimmerman lawsuit is forthcoming against the above mentioned minions.
I posted yesterday and it still hasnt appeared. My post was in compliance with the rules. Why has it not been posted?
The prosecuter in this case should be treated like Nifong in the Duke Lacross case. These people must think that the unwashed masses are real dumb.
People often ask WHAT CAN WE DO TO STEM THE CULTURAL ROT?
Here IS SOMETHING YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW.
Go to the State Bar of Florida web site or contact the State Bar Association of Florida.
1. Ask for the documents and procedures for filing a bar grievance against an attorney in Florida who has violated the ethical rules.
2. FILE A BAR GRIEVANCE AGAINST THE FLORIDA PROSECUTOR WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THIS CASE. (IF it is not a Florida Prosecutor you will need to track down the lead prosecutor and Google where she is barred).
3. ALSO GRIEVE ALL FLORIDA PROSECUTING ATTORNEY ASSISTANTS ON THIS CASE (you may need to call the court where this case is filed but it is almost certainly on Google).
4. Allege that somebody manufactured evidence which is a grievable offense in any jurisdiction. This is total bull crap and somebody should be brought up on charges for the way this case has been handled.
I, and only I, decide what charges to be brought against anyone I select. I have unlimited resources of people and money to make sure of two things:
1) I get anyone I want to for anything I choose; and
2) I can benefit my election prospects by being popular with the voters.
Today’s lesson: Don’t mess with the Kingfish.
I really would like to drop these charges but I am in too deep and my demographics team for reelection has not completed their study yet.
Yours in Jesus,
District Attorney
Real DA’s and their staffs, one example: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/14/nyregion/14secretary.html?pagewanted=all
Mr. Kingfish, I believe I saw this notice on the door to your office.
BE ADVISED
My authority is second only that of God.
Except in this courthouse my authority supercedes that of God.
Personally, I believe this was done by the race baiters like Sharpton and others. I hope the special prosecutor wasn’t involved in the release of the black and white picture that you couldn’t see the injuries Zimmerman actually had. I don’t believe the blacks would have protested or marched (I may be wrong)if they had seen the real color photographs of Zimmerman’s injuries the night of the incident.
Like they say “a picture is worth a thousand words”. I believe that is why the black and white photo was shown so people wouldn’t really see what Zimmerman actually looked like at the time he was interviewed by police on the night of the shooting and why no charges were initially brought against Zimmerman. Just my opinion.
Agreed.
the media and powerful racist entitys in Fl and across the nation were violently and illegally attempting to, not only railroad him, but kill him.
This happened under the watchful eye of every level of gov and legal authority all the way up to the President’s office and NO ONE has stepped forward to defend this man or enforce the law by arresting those pieces of criminal garbage who took a bounty out on his life or the pieces of dung political leaders who tried to incite riots to harm this man. Politicians whose media spectacles caused white folk across America to get assaulted by ignorant black thugs in the name of ‘Trayvon’, with no reprocussion to them.
The very powerful people, people who can destroy your life, have a HUGE vested interest in destroying Zimmerman.
A lot of these powerful people violated, not only ethics, but the LAW to arrest Zimmerman and charge him with a crime he clearly, by definition of that crime, did not commit it.
These powerful people stand to not only lose very lucrative jobs, but they are in danger of being charged with wrong doing and possibly arrest.
They used every known underhanded dirty trick in the book of dirty tricks to make Zimmerman look like a a liar, a thief and even a rapist.
Folks send up prayers for Zimmerman because there but for the grace of God, go each and every one of us. Not only here in reverse racisim Fl, but the entire country.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The picture was photocopied during discovery. The fact that the author has access to the original picture proved there is no conspiracy in the photo. There are enough issues with this case, but there is no need to chase windmills.
Any one of theses mistakes could be dismissed as just that… mistakes. Taken in aggregate though they can NOT be adequately explained by stupidity.
Sorry, but it is hard to believe anybody is that stupid. But a lot of professionals in the justice system think the public is that stupid.
the author most certainly DID NOT have access to the original photo in the original release of the discovery documents … it is only now that this photo was released … malice and intent … that prosecutor is one racist b*tch …
The first rule of the Criminal Justice System: Cops lie in order to get convictions.
Second Rule: Judges know this and don’t care.
Third rule: Being “District Attorney” pays well and they pander to the voting constituency.
Fourth Rule: If you have money, you walk.
Send Mr. Zimmerman some of your money, I have.
You are pretty accurate except with these modifications.
1. District Attorneys lie even more than cops, and they collaborate on their lies.
2. Money doesn’t guarantee that you will walk. But it helps.
Pledges are now being accepted to erect a George Zimmerman Monument on every Martin Luther King Boulevard in America.
Support an American Hero.
Effing idiot. Zimmerman also.
Sicum lovers of truth and librty. You have very little time left before the fall of the nation. Unfortunately, looks like 2013 is the badnews year, not 2012.
Doesn’t surprise me a bit. as it appears that strings were pulled as first appeared in the stories that broke right after the incident. Holder had his fingers in it and some corrupt attorneys and state attorneys were involved. There are some corrupt ones in Fl. who would not hesitate to commit crimes to further their careers
“…George Zimmerman encountered Trayvon as he walked through the Retreat at Twin Lakes gated community in Sanford. He told his father that he found Trayvon suspicious, because he fit the description of burglars who had recently broken into townhouses: young and black.
Zimmerman stressed that the accepted narrative that his son followed the teen after being told not to by a police operator is false. Instead, he said, George Zimmerman was on the street trying to find an address to pinpoint his location when, on the way back to his car, he encountered Trayvon for a second time. Trayvon was almost home but turned back, Zimmerman said.
“Trayvon said to him, ‘Do you have a f—g problem?’’’ George told him, ‘’ ‘No, I don’t have a problem.’ He says, ‘You do now,’ and that’s when he hit him, broke his nose, and hit him to the sidewalk.”
During the struggle, George Zimmerman reached for his licensed handgun and shot Trayvon in the chest. His dad believes that as the two wrestled on the grass, it was Trayvon’s life or George’s.
“Trayvon said something to that effect, that George would be dead,” he said…
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/14/2799569/zimmermans-father-our-lives-will.html#storylink=omni_popular#storylink=cpy
“Breaking News: Monday Night Discussion About the Apparent Photoshopped Photo of the Defendant in Trayvon Martin Murder Case
December 3, 2012
I posted this new title to focus the discussion of this latest development here in this thread.
Here is a link to the photograph of the defendant that was taken by SPD Officer Wagner using his digital cell phone on the night of the murder as the defendant sat in the back of Officer Tim Smith’s patrol vehicle. He is sitting sideways in the seat with his legs sticking out of the vehicle and resting on the ground.
Wagner claimed that he forgot he had the photo and he finally emailed it to Serino on March 21st, approximately 3 weeks after the murder.
Here is a link to the photo.
Shannoninmiami has examined it at the pixel level and she says it was photoshopped.
I do not have the software to do that, but I have worked with photoshop and this photo looks to have been clumsily photoshopped by a novice.
Hopefully, one of you can provide a link to the high definition photographs taken at the station house arouund 11:30 pm so that we can compare them.”
http://frederickleatherman.com
O’Mara said his office received its copy of the original color photo on 10/29, together with other discovery.
As you may recall, a copy-machine generated B&W copy was provided to the defense in the first discovery dump.
My best guess is the State delayed providing a color copy because the prosecutors and the FDLE realized it was photoshopped and wanted to investigate who did it and why they did it before they turned it over to the defense and lost containment on what might happen. As it turned out, they were right because O’Mara published it on his website to support his client’s claim that Trayvon sucker-punched him in the nose. He apparently does not realize that the photo actually hurts his client because the injuries are as fake as his story about being attacked.
Meanwhile, the FBI is investigating Serino and the SPD for possible civil rights violations, so I’m pretty certain the FBI Crime Lab also has examined the original photograph.
I’m thinking O’Mara probably is feeling pretty stupid today about being punk’d.
Then again, maybe he hasn’t figured it out yet. If I were him, I’d take it down.
Prof. F. Leatherman