The Supreme Court has ruled that the individual mandate, a cornerstone of ObamaCare, is unconstitutional under the commerce clause.
However, the Supreme Court has upheld by a 6-3 vote that the requirement that most Americans have health insurance falls not under the commerce clause, but under taxation.
“Our precedent demonstrates that Congress had the power to impose the exaction in Section 5000A under the taxing power, and that Section 5000A need not be read to do more than impose a tax. This is sufficient to sustain it,” said the opinion.
The Medicaid provision has been limited but not invalidated — the expansion can proceed as long as the federal government does not threaten to withhold states’ entire Medicaid allotment if they choose to not take part in the extension. In a 5-4 split, Chief Justice John Roberts joined liberal justices in that decision.
ObamaCare as a whole has been upheld as constitutional.
The ruling throws the healthcare law back into the campaign season as a measure that could be repealed either by Congress or executive order.
“Today’s decision makes one thing clear: Congress must act to repeal this misguided law. Obamacare has not only limited choices and increased health care costs for American families, it has made it harder for American businesses to hire,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said. “Today’s decision does nothing to diminish the fact that Obamacare’s mandates, tax hikes, and Medicare cuts should be repealed and replaced with common sense reforms that lower costs and that the American people actually want.”
“Our Supreme Court has spoken; the matter is settled,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said on the floor of the upper chamber.
DEVELOPING…
hmm…this can be worked with…particularly since El Presidente and the Dems said it wasn’t a tax..
I hope you all stocked up on Depends Undergarments. I bet they are really full right now, huh? It wasn’t a bad day for President Obama after all as many of nefariously predicted. Conservative swill like you have been shown that SCOTUS respects law rather than your extreme fascist political ideology. This will only solidify President Obama’s lead in the polls. I can only imagine what crumbs you are trying forage from the table of your master (President Obama) right now? This is a great day for America!”
“The Chief Justice has made his ruling….now let him enforce it”
~Andrew Jackson~
Yes, the very conservative Chief Justice has made the ruling (that really hurts, huh?). You thought he would carry your water for you. He didn’t. In the end, he is sworn to defend and uphold te Constitution not extreme fascist tea bag ideology. This is a win for America!
Self delude if you must…but this so called ‘tax’ will never see the light of day…but you,of course,are still free to pay it gladly and willingly in spite of that…as for me,passive resistance to tyranny is all that is called for here
Yes, Robin, how is it down there foraging for the crumbs that fall from President Obama’s table?
Wow! I must thank “Cynical Wonder” with the literal wonder of revealing the fundamental attitude of Obama and his “true believers”. You recommend that we “forage for the crumbs from President Obama’s table”. That is more revealing of an aristocratic and authoritative personality than the infamous “If they are hungry, let them eat cake”. Alas Mr “Wonder” you reveal the imperial nature of Obama. Obama is a “table” among whose fallen “crumbs” we can “forage”. Think about the disdaining attitude you have shown, reducing democratic opposition to Obama to those who should forage for the few crumbs left for us. That seves us right, no? You freigten me because citizens that are crumb foragers must be controlled by the “table” of plenty if they refuse. Sounds like your prayers at night, assumming some. More sinisterly, your feast will be fostered upon us at the point of a gun, viz., police enforcement. You are, indeed, the embodiment of “cynicism” and the death of a Constitutional Repulic.
As soon as you said “teabag” you lost me. Why must you resort to a pejorative to make your point?
That CW guy is a riot! Give us some more of your crumbs, dear lad! Actually hang on a minute, I need to use the gents before I pee myself laughing!
Bet he’s home snuggled up with his Sock Puppet body pillow and a 2′ long vibrator right now.
Are you the anti American, citizen hating Obama himself? Your attitude and arrougance sure sounds like it. I wouldn’t gloat too much. Just sayin’…..
Far be it from me to question the Supremes. By definition, in matters of constitutional law they always come down on the correct side.
That tenet was as true today as it was in the Citizens United case and that little flare up over the rightful POTUS election outcome in Florida some years back.
P.S., they got it right 7-2 in Knox vs SEI, too, doncha think?
The only fascist activity we see here comes from Obamacare. If you were as smart as you think you are (yeah, right), you would be aware that one of the chief characteristics of fascism is nominal private ownership of industry, with strong government control of any industry deemed important. much like Obamacare (and other examples from this administration) display.
But the people who want to be left alone are the fascists in your view.
You truly are deluded. Are you happy to be a slave?
I think that you and your ilk are in for some unpleasant surprises.
Mr. Wonder,
You may “wonder” why I am not addressing your “point”. It is one of the great “wonders” of the world why anyone bothers trying to have adult, rational discussions with you at all.
Yours is the language and attitude of a petulant child. A child who has attained adulthood in the physical sense, but not in the emotional or intellectual sense.
Re-read Paul’s First Letter to the Corinthians. And when your finally comprehend what he says about being an adult, I might address you as one.
Until then, enjoy your mashed peas.
I suggest you read Nagarjuna’s Mulamadhyamikakarika in it’s entirety and then get back to me.
Wow!
Adult language, without hyberbole and without the Screed codewords!
Maybe it is possible for you to inch towards adulthood.
By the way, Mr. Wonder, I use my real name. The decision was influenced by what Yahoo did for China, but is reinforced by the behaviour of people like you.
You read a text with profound meanings, and betray your thorough lack of understanding of that or even the most trite of “spiritual” writings with the language you default with the alacrity that your eyes produce “sand”.
And you use a Pseudonym that is more ironic than you may ever be able to realize.
Go back you your crying jag.
You don’t get it. I actually used the text extensively in my graduate thesis. You PJ media types are the equivalent of “Hungry Ghosts.” You get back exactly what you put out.
I suggest you read Final Exit and choose your poison.
You’re describing the classic young american Lib. What, liberals are emotionally and intellectually childish? Say it ain’t so!
” the language and attitude of a petulant child”
or, as we sometimes call them, “Leftards.”
First off, sorry for distracting from the general thread by Trolling a Troll (albeit with posher language).
As a side bet, what are the odds that Cynical Wonder, who wrote his graduate paper on what is, credit where credit is due, a Classic work of Buddhism, is one of those 26-year olds, living in Mom & Dad’s basement, riding on their insurance?
Yes, this is a great day, Mr Wonder. Yes, the right was stupid to ever trust the SCOTUS to correctly interpret our Constitution. These unelected Bozos never have, so why should they start in 2012? But when you called us Fascists, you really pissed me off! You will soon see what Fascism is really like, and you and Obama will be looking into your mirrors. ABO2012
good luck to Marion jamming the largest tax in human history down the throats of the American people, not to speak of a 2600 page nightmare that 70% of the country hates.
The thieves who will prosper from it are delighted, of course.
November is four short months away. It looks like Romney’s narrow victory will be a landslide.
That tax increase that a lot of us now face in 2014, should be officially called the OBAMA TAX from now on.
America no longer exists. We are now a fascist country in name as well as deed.
You haven’t paid attention to any of the conservative arguments, have you?
Hooray! I plan to drop coverage for 79 employees (average cost $7000 per individual, $16,000 per family), pay the penalties, subsidize each employee $2000 for the new tax, and let the Federal Government pick up the rest! Hooray for me! I just hope all my competitors don’t think of doing the same thing…please don’t tell, them, please? Oh, Cynical Wonder, please don’t tell.
Ezra Klein in the Washington Post said, “The theory behind the mandate is simple: It’s there to protect against an insurance death spiral. Now that insurers can’t discriminate based on preexisting conditions, it would be entirely possible for people to forgo insurance until, well, they develop a medical condition. In that world, the bulk of the people buying insurance on the exchanges are sick, and that makes the average premiums terrifically expensive. The mandate is there to bring healthy people into the pool, which keeps average costs down and also ensures that people aren’t riding free on the system by letting society pay when they get hit by a bus.
The irony of the mandate is that it’s been presented as a terribly onerous tax on decent, hardworking people who don’t want to purchase insurance. In reality, it’s the best deal in the bill: A cynical consumer would be smart to pay the modest penalty rather than pay thousands of dollars a year for insurance. In the current system, that’s a bad idea because insurers won’t let them buy insurance if they get sick later. In the reformed system, there’s no consequence for that behavior. You could pay the penalty for five years and then buy insurance the day you felt a lump.Luckily, consumers aren’t usually that cynical, and the experience of places such as Massachusetts suggests that individual mandates encourage people to buy insurance even when it might make sense for people to simply pay the penalty.” Ha, ha, ha. I find it amazing that he, probably like Cynical Wonder, does not believe that some people will try to beat the system. Lordy, lordy, lordy, my how the federal deficit will grow, what with the system beaters and then small, then medium, then large businesses choosing to opt out of offering health care coverage for their employees. Mark these words: everyone will act in their self-interest. Book it.
Just paying the penality until something happens is an economic bet that most will take. Just smart economics. The feds opened up a bottomless can of worms that they will deny all responsibility of creating. Blame Bush?
My, my, my, Cynical Wonder, aren’t we the bitter ones in victory. Some screws are surely loose in that brainstem of yours. Swill is a great word. Somebody spell that and its meaning out for you? Eh?
Without a doubt there will be great pain in America as we get into 2014 and beyond. It is going to cost Americans out the gazoo to buy health coverage, especially with that Pre-x out of there. Now I am a fiscal Conservative and quite proud of it. I do feel for my fellow Americans who will bear this grand burden that CW is so proud to announce.
That said, there are some of us who came out winners, albeit at the expense of the nation at large. We are the insurance agents! With the retention of the Mandate, I win and win BIG!
First of all, my nice fat renewal/as-earned fully vested compensation accounts will remain essentially intact way into the future. Next, I get to sell to an entire new class of sad sacks—includes LibTards like CW—who have to either buy or pay taxes. In addition, ER services, already tightening up, will become even stricter in applying the law of required services in true emergency.
No more of lower income families clogging up these essential places to get their annual checkups. As in: what is your emergency, bubbah? If you have one, we’ll stabilize you and out you go—-to your own doctor. You do have insurance, fine; we’ll take that.
You do not have insurance? You were required to buy that and didn’t? We’ll stabilize you and again—-out the door you go. Oh, and either buy that insurance or pay that tax. Adios!
Now I happen to be in fine fettle and in my Golden Jubalee Year in this profession. It is going to be such fun telling people to buy or pay a tax! Cannot wait. I’m guessing that my insurers are going to be putting out a better coverage at a better price than the federal government—-any day.
Best part: health care coverage, including senior care coverage, is merely a part of my overall practice. And all those other coverages, such as life, annuity, disability protection, dental, etc. are not impacted in the slightest.
You all have a nice day…….
would like to read your prepared statement if, the vote had gone the other way.
In this case, ObamaCare needs to be correctly changed to ObamaTax
Umm… Okay. If the individual mandate is a “tax”, then what, exactly, is being taxed? It isn’t an “income” tax, a “transaction” tax, a “property” tax…
Oh, that’s right, I forgot. It’s a tax on the INDIVIDUAL; a “capitation” tax.
…so what does the Constitution say about “direct”, or “capitation” taxes?
It’s a “tax penalty.” Just like with Romneycare in Mass. But don’t take my word for it. Romney speaks for himself better than I can. Sounds like Romney and Justice Roberts might be golfing buddies. He’s your guy!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romneys-suggested-three-times-in-2009-that-o
It is a tax like Social Security is a tax. You cannot opt out of Social Security. In essence what the Supreme Court is saying is the Amreican People lost their constitutional rights with FDR. They were then turned into slaves with LBJ.
In truth the only way to fix this is three fold: a)Take the culture back (education, media, religious,entertainment) b) Vote in people that will propose a Constitutional Amendment to (re)interpret the word ‘Welfare’ and ‘Commerce’in the Constitution to mean what they originally meant in the context they originally had. c) Think Nationally, Act locally. Your Children, your school, your town, your local media, your money and what you spend it on must be done with a singular mind for the cause.
Food, clothing, sheltered and health care are not a RIGHT, they are a necessity. The Government IS NOT in charge of providing your necessities; you are. If you want to see what happens when a Government tries to provide all the necessities you can look at Europe or Stockton California. They go bankrupt.
Ask the nearest gardner how you tend a garden. You do not fertilize and prune and mulch your flowers or tomatoes only. First and foremost, you pull or poison every weed, and keep them dead. No possibility of “taking back” the culture by intellectual competition. You have to eliminate every accolyte of the Frankfurt School, as we ought to have sent every one of them right back to Hitler in the first instance. As enemies of human civilization, they deserved anything the Nazis were handing out.
Short of producing all these miracles in the next eighteen months, it would probably be advantageous to also be well armed.
Article 1, Sec. 9 of the US Constitution reads: “No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.
Robbins Mitchell
Article 1, Sec. 9 of the US Constitution reads: “No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.
Looks like this could be the basis for the next lawsuit. Section 9 works for me as a starting point.
“I feel that all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve”
~Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto~
8 December 1941
What Bull! We are not that people any longer. Our youth will be dancing on every college campus before giving each other the next STD in celebration.
Exactly!
Barack Obama said “For us to say you’ve got to take responsibility and get healthcare insurance is absolutely not a tax increase.” (Interview with George Stephanopoulus 09/2009 ABC News)
Obama and the Democrats lied to the American people.
Taxed Enough Already!
“We’ve got to pass this bill to find out what’s in it.” ~Nancy Pelosi
TAXES!
It’s Constitutional Bitches!
We told you so! Now take your medicine!
Aint that purty language from the CHAIRMAN of the DNC? Real class act there, leftards.
IT’S A TAX, (UNTRAG!
I am growing increasingly tired of your narcissistic diatribe. You are either a liberal, or a firm believer in the Supreme Court and all of its powers and responsibilities. Fine. To be frank with you, however, the more I read of your comments, the more I feel as though Barack Obama and his narcissism are invading my mind.
Make posts that are relevant or at least contribute more than “We won, you lost, suck it!” mantras. Your slanderous depiction of the Tea Party itself was enough to irritate me, but your absolute lack of civility and common courtesy make me disgusted with you as a human being.
Before you attempt to label me as some “forager” of “crumbs” or as a supporter of the party of No, know that I am an independent. I respect every person’s right to civil debate and discussion, but I show absolute contempt towards someone whose only dialogue is insulting and unproductive.
~Zamir
Well said, and I second that. Comments like his don’t belong here, or anywhere else for that matter. They’re more than disgusting and offensive.
He was quoting some hack with the DNC that used to be on Comrade Obama’s staff; they’re all alike and always classy.
Ahhh, that CW….Gotta love that putz. He considers what happened today a victory! Tell the truth, CW, do you have a job? Do you own and operate at business as I do? Have you ever hired/fired anyone as I have? Well, answer the questions?
Suspicion: CW is just another LibTard doler, a freeloader, a welfarer, a foodstamper, in short, just another useless drain on society. Bitter in victory that is not his to celebrate. He has won Bammie’s Race To The Bottom!
Now I, on the other hand, a fiscal Conservative, an incorporated business principal, have a real victory to celebrate. You see, I make MONEY. Lots of it. I will be making MORE as a result of the upholding of this really weird law. I, quite frankly, never expected to be presented with such a bonanza.
Imagine, I and my collegues now have access to millions of people, sad sacks really for whom my heart does really bleed, who 1. Have to buy medical insurance or 2. Pay a tax! Wow! It just doesn’t get any better than that, friends.
And the ERs are cleaning themselves up by simply enforcing the existing law: which is to stabilize, treat, and release to the patient’s own doctor. Don’t have insurance, maybe/maybe not paid the tax? Too bad for you.
When found in an ER and can’t show emergency, out the door you go. That is already happening in lots of places around the country. The hospitals on my Medicare Advantage plan are already cleared of the human detritus who USED to come in with the family for their annual checkups and kiddie sniffles and such. Too bad for their ilk. That would likely include our esteemed CW…..
Final bonus for us in this part of the insurance industry: our streams of vested compensation income are further secured by INCLUSION of the mandate. And the insurance firms we represent will compete against any government competition any day of the week. In a word, we’ll get our share, more than our share. That is just for under-65 medical insurance. Senior care coverages remain relatively unchanged. Same with other coverages we offer: life insurance, dental coverage, disability income protection, retirement annuity plans, and on and on. Not a bad business to be in, eh? Oh, by the way, I just bank my Social Security each month. How about you, CW?
In truth, though, my good fortune is not America’s good fortune. The worst is yet to come. In time, I suppose, the law will be changed; likely though, not in this insurance agent’s life time.
No kidding. Hey CW, are the Justices idiots, or is Sock Puppet a liar? He swore up and down that this wasn’t a tax. So it has to be one or the other. Personally, I’m thinking both.
ObamaCare now needs to be changed to ObamaTax!
By the way, does this now mean we can deduct 100% of our health insurance premiums when computing our adjustable net income for federal and state taxes now that thanks to the Supreme Court they are considered a tax?
So the Democrats get to run in November based on ObamaCare® being a gianormous tax increase. Ought to be fun to hear them spin this one for the next 4 1/2 months.
Oh indeed….since it now has been classified as a Tax, we ca now have Tax Reform as a leg to stand on in court.
Particularly when the rest of the provisions kick in in 2014
Those bastards will never get one goddamn dime out of me for this…and woe unto any IRS agent who tries to….note to self: buy more ammo at Walmart this weekend
Are you on bath salts? I hope you end up in jail and they throw away the key. America has had enough of your extreme divisive extremism!
Still trolling from mommy’s basement I see
“extreme divisive extremism!” That’s rich coming from a lefty.
I can hardly wait till President Mitt Romney, the Republican House & the new Republican Senate make libs like you buy a dozen guns or be “taxed” $10K for each one you DON’T purchase. After all, it’s Constitutional.
Here’s the problem for Obama — Remember Rep Joe Wilson’s “You Lie” line at the State of the Union address? That’s what Obama’s ruling just due to the claims by Obama, Reid and Pelosi that ObamaCare is not a tax. Conservatives aren’t happy that Roberts upheld the law in principle, but his opinion basically tells the Democrats if they are going to carry out the law, they have to carry it out by telling the American people it’s a tax, not a commerce clause-based “mandate”.
“Mandate” is a lot vaguer to voters than ‘tax’. But if they accept the Supreme Court verdict, they can’t then reject it being called a tax. Now Obama and the Democrats have to run on that, at the same time the extension of the Bush tax cuts will be debated in the run-up to the Nov. 6 election.
So basically, Team Obama won this football game, but the quarterback broke his leg in five places, and probably isn’t going to be healed in time for the big game 4 1/2 months from now. And no amount of ObamaCare is going to get the word ‘tax’ taken out of the upcoming campaign.
You also have Obama and the Democrats having to defend letting the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of this year, which will be part of the 2012 fall campaign.
If you’re the GOP and Team Romney, you better already be writing the speeches and preparing the ads framing ObamaCare as the biggest tax increase in U.S. history, and you better be targeting voters in the 26-40 age bracket, since they’re the ones most likely to avoid purchasing health care insurance and will be the ones on whom the tax will hit hardest in 2014 if changes aren’t made.
In the end, it’s a win for Obama and the Dems today, but it strips the ability for them to BS the swing voters on ObamaCare by saying it didn’t involve tax hikes. The Supreme Court now says it does, and if the Democrats want to defend it in the run-up to Nov. 6, they have to defend it to the moderates as a tax, not as some vague mandate that the Health Care Fairy is going to pay for individuals. If Team Romney can’t take this and run with it to November, they probably need to take advantage of ObamaCare and go get their heads examined.
So the SC has upheld that there is no limit to the taxing power of government.
Indeed.
They can parse their language all they want. It still means the government can TAX YOU TO BUY SOMETHING. In other words the tax forces commerce. Who the hell are they kidding that intelligent people won’t see it for what it is??? Now they can force us to purchase anything and call it a tax. This is no longer my country anymore. And may all those who voted for this SOB in the White House suffer the most for what they have inflicted upon this nation.
Or engage or refrain from any behavior at all. Too many kids? Pay a big tax!!
The concept of limited government is gone.
Apparently, you don’t even have to call it a tax for it to be a tax. My guess is every new drop of ink in rule or regulation will end being a hidden tax from now on. Good job, Roberts.
We lost at Lexington and Concord.
I can’t say anymore right now.
Help us, Romney-won Kenobi. You’re our only hope.
Mittens may be helpful, but he’s not our hope. We, ourselves, are.
We need a severely conservative Congress to bring him to heel.
Yes, movie slogan adaptations have their limits. I wonder how this will affect ALL the Dems running this year.
Actually, the court read the Mandate as a “tax.” Which is exactly how Romneycare in Mass. worker. Tax penalties were the enforcement mechanism for Romneycare, so I’m not sure how much mileage you expect to get from the father of Obamacare getting rid of Obamacare. Romneycare and Obamacare are the same thing, just that one is at the state level and the other is federally administered.
Cynical Wonder, let me thank you for dropping the silliness of your earlier posts in favor of something civil and of at least thin substance.
I have to wonder at the interior machinations that go into reaching a decision like this. Let me imagine . . .
Sotomayor: “We must uphold this necessary law! It is clearly a commerce issue.”
Roberts: “Like hell it’s a commerce issue! No way will I go along with that.”
Sotomayor: “Hmmm . . . okay. How ’bout if we uphold it, but call it a tax?”
Roberts: “I don’t like that, but I’ll go along with it just to get this thing off our calendar.” (And in the back of his mind he’s saying, “Let those idiots in Congress who passed this thing have another go at it.”
And as to government taxation, go back to this case:
Missouri v. Jenkins, 495 U.S. 33.
No. 88-1150 Argued: Oct. 30, 1989 — Decided: April 18, 1990
Justice WHITE delivered the opinion of the Court.
“The United States District Court for the Western District of Missouri imposed an increase in the property taxes levied by the Kansas City, Missouri, School District (KCMSD) to ensure funding for the desegregation of KCMSD’s public schools. We granted certiorari to consider the State of Missouri’s argument that the District Court lacked the power to raise local property taxes. For the reasons given below, we hold that the District Court abused its discretion in imposing the tax increase. We also hold, however, that the modifications of the District Court’s order made by the Court of Appeals do satisfy equitable and constitutional principles governing the District Court’s power.”
That is, the Supreme Court allows a U.S. District Court to impose a tax increase. We should not be surprised at what they just did.
Couple that and similar cases with the decision in Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469, regarding eminent domain and you can see the Soopremes moving, over the decades, toward the proposition that citizens exist as creatures of the government, not that government exists as a creation of the people.
Kent
There is another…
Heh. For now, we’ll have to hold off the Empire with sticks and stones. Marco Skywalker will rise in 2020.
This battle is lost, but the war may just have turned in our favor.
Don’t mourn, organize.
Pray, organize. Invest in Smith and Wesson.
Yes.
Agreed! A delivery of $25 donations is doubtless headed to Romney this morning. Our supply lines are secure.
That is not snark. We’ll get Obama out of the White House on this issue along with the donkeys he rode in on.
Let’s roll!
Not surprising. The Supreme Court has upheld virtually every government power grab since the Civil War. This one will probably just be the nail in the coffin for the Republic.
Sice there weren’t any during the war or until the anti-trust acts decades later, you are correct.
If every freedom-loving American is not appalled by this decision, we have lost the great country of America. Time to rise up, speak your mind, and finally, go to the ballot box and rid this country of the parasite that is the Democrat Liberal party.
Time for a Constitutional Amendment limiting the federal government’s power.
They would ignore it, comrade.
Absolutely!
That’s what the whole Constitution is. The whole document is about limiting government power. It has been ignored since before the ink was even dry. This mainly happens because the people let it, because their desire for favors and free stuff is greater than their desire to be left alone and make their own way in life. A more effective law would be to limit all welfare programs to not more than 10% of the federal budget (if they aren’t banned completely).
It still won’t make much difference. Politicians is a game of sociopaths and worse. Always has been and always will be. Until we find a way to keep those dangerous lunatics out of position of power, government and civil, we’ll have this continuing cycle of disaster.
The odds against that look overwhelming, since we are the only country in history that has ever made that work for even tried that, and we have failed miserably.
Some things should be done as a collective: defense, raising a barn, etc. and the rest (services, providing goods) done as individuals. Healthcare is a service and as such should be provided by individuals (or corps).
Our over-reliance on government (collective) is where we waste money and resources on things that would be better provided by individuals (through competition). The Nature of Man is such that there are very few instances where the collective benefits him and individualism serves his interests the best.
The socialist/communist/democrat doesn’t agree and would welcome ‘others’ doing the heavy lifting for them in almost all things. Trouble is, without incentives (profits) few people will volunteer to put things on the table for them. A government aware of such a people would try to keep things simple in the hope that ‘some’ of it’s citizens might get off their tailpipes to fix something, anything, should the occasion arise. Think 60′s Hippy Van. Four cylinder, no air, no airbags, no computer, just gas and oil and a stick shift. Easy to repair by people not-so-inclined for such things.
When government assumes that most people are just lazy, that’s when the trouble starts. When government realizes that most people just want free sh*t, trouble is just around the corner. We are rounding-the-bend with President Mobutu Blame-o. Can you blame him? I guess he could have told people to get off their lazy butts and work but that goes against his DNA. Have you seen his work schedule on any given day? I’m reminded of the POGO cartoon where he indentifies the enemy.
No, for about 150 years, we in fact did not fail. It’s only since the 1930′s that we started our slow but steady death spiral (still for 70 years better than rest and able to defeat the leftist Nazis, the far leftist Soviet Union, and countless other despots). But today, the turd has at last turned the final corner of the toilet bowl on its way to the sewer. Unless this ‘law’ is repealed, the experiment is, alas, over.
Looks like a picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Look at the bright side: you’ll get treatment at the rehab clinic at someone else’s expense.
The penalty you pay for having insurance goes to the government so is a tax, not equally distributed among the states as requred by the Constitution or constituting a tax on income as permitted by the 17th (?) amendment. But, ok. But the payment to a private insurnce company as a mandate, how is that a tax? HMMM. The cheaper tax or the higher insurance payment. I’ll wait til I get sick and the insurance company can’t turn me down. So all insurance companies go out of the business since it is no longer insurance. The death panels in government take over. How is this a good thing?
You raise a good point.
Of course we have to wait to read the actual decision, but:
If the mandate is unconstitutional, then how is the minor fact of the penalty fee being a tax, any kind of a remedy?
You raise a good point.
Of course we have to wait to read the actual decision, but:
If the mandate is unconstitutional, then how is the minor fact of the penalty fee being a tax, any kind of a remedy?
It’s shameful.
When I was a kid, I used to think that people in positions of high authority were smart, certainly smarter than me. Nowadays, logic, reason and the ability to think are usurped by some crap hanging on the walls to convince others about their “certification”.
I don’t care. A conservative can be stupid too.
And here is a pure case of utter stupidity. Ignorant of the ramifications, the consequences and the complete idiocy of their move, our republic is now torn asunder. This is socialism writ large. It pleases the national socialists and they’ll be snorting cocaine and organizing sex parties over it for weeks.
I have said it for decades. “I am so sick and tired of the generation ten years ahead of me f**king it up for me, every step of the way under the misconception that they are somehow smarter and wiser than I am.”
All my life I’ve watched the “Vietnam generation” put themselves in positions of authority and then set about making really bad decisions. They are politically motivated, care only about how they look and who they can schmooze with at the country club and yet somehow immunize themselves from their own actions.
They have no idea about how they let themselves become a piece of the workings for a larger, manifestly calamitous set of circumstances and when it all falls to s*it, they sit there and do one of two things: Stare blankly and wonder how that all happened or set about blaming someone else.
I had no greater example than my commander in the USAF. He took an otherwise well-functioning squadron and destroyed it from within with bad management, poor awareness of reality and yet he made full colonel because he had been groomed by “all the right people”. Politically adept but completely unaware of reality. Didn’t like to hear reality. Liked to bark orders and have people “make it happen” without any regard as to the logistics of his decisions and the crippling effect thereof.
The supreme court is loaded with people who are really impressed with their own supposed “wisdom”. When grade-school kids can differentiate what the commerce clause is and isn’t, yet adults in their senior years cannot, then there is a real problem within our government. My god, the wording in the preliminary blurb alone is pathetic.
“Impose a tax” my ass. They have become royalty and they like it.
You and I are the same age then. I’ve hated that generation my entire life. Spoiled-assed punks that have destroyed their whole lives caring nothing for the people that come after them.
I once knew a fellow who was from the “Greatest Generation,” those folks from WWII. He once said to me that they failed in one important area of their lives – rearing their children.
The law of land will stand the test of time. Both Mitt Romney and Obama have supported health care reform for some years although Mitt Romney now denies almost all he stood for as the Gov of Massachusetts. It will be a close race, but if Mitt should pull it off at least he will now have one issue that he will not have to deal with because health care has been pretty much fixed for now. Obama has had to fix a broken economy and successfully end two wars along with so many other items. Whoever wins the next election will have a much easier time for sure now that the “tough stuff” has been dealt with. Dont you agree?
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Mark this day as the day that freedom died in the USA. There is now nothing restraining the power of the Federal Government and the ranks of those living off the labor of others are nearly the majority of the population.
No thank you. I’m getting get my Gadsden flag and tricorn hat and heading for the front lines.
Well, it finally happened…
I’ve always said I hoped it all went to shit while I was still young enough to be a MEAN old man..
And here we are…
I have argued the tax bit before, so I’m not going to complain. But I hope it is clear that we have a serious issue with Leviathan in this country, and the GOP simply cannot or will not fight it. But at least Mitch McConnell has something he can fundraise off of. Not do anything about, mind, but fundraise off of. That’s the important thing.
We need a different body able to stop the federal government based upon the sentiment of the people, in their identities as citizens of a state and locality. We need an extra check. The states should be checked, the people should be checked, and the national government should be checked, as well as the bodies within the federal government. But the system is out of balance, because the federal government does so much now that it is difficult for the people to say their vote for a representative was for this policy but against that, and the Supreme Court, as our liberal friends were so recently noting, is nigh impossible to directly check/overturn.
Something more is needed, as I have said for years.
It was probably inevitable that a central government limited in its creation would sooner or later and by degrees escape the limitations. It appears we have just about arrived at that juncture.
While it would be insufficient alone to correct all the imbalance, a repeal of the 17th amendment would be a big help, perhaps with the additional stipulation that senators must be appointed by the governors of the several states. That would certainly focus additional scrutiny on federal judges who might be a little too quick to run roughshod over the states and take over the schools, etc. Not particularly relevant to the AHCA but often a source of usurpation by the feds in other contexts.
Let’s get ready to rumble!
I’m not sure why people are surprised. The Supreme Court is stacked with Catholics. You may as well fill the court up with gays or Atheists and act just as shocked.
Just so I get this straight…we can completely destroy our healthcare system and way of life…but taking the time to force the Muslim in Chief to prove his citizenship is no go.
I am totally disgusted. I used to think that only two of the three branches worked against America. Now I know its all three.
They all come from the same idiot-mills.
The Ivy League is merely a rubber stamp for those who buy into all its stupid ideas. All the idiots there agree on something…it must be so!
No matter how demonstrably wrong it is.
We are ruled by Georgetown social planners.
Bingo! Exactly stated.
There is nothing so manifestly moronic than self-appointed overseers who think their solemn duty is to parent over others. The court has just demonstrated their notion that “people need to be told what to do” which has brought us right back to the 1700′s.
No, we don’t.
All the side arguments about “unfairness” and “unbalance” is distraction that has apparently worked on these imbeciles.
That claptrap, “Do the right thing” seems to have infected their minds and is working its way through our entire system of government.
And, the sheer authority and power on display. Made worse by staggering inability to reason or become even lightly familiar with logic. Supposedly smart people who have no moral grounding.
For the first time in my life, I am ashamed of my country. (hat tip to the black bitch in the white house)
Thank you! you described “Cynical Wonder” perfectly!
I wonder how “Chemical Wonder” would feel if the person in the white house who supported a mandate to have health insurance was a republican. Over the past three years all I’ve seen from the national socialists is silence when liberty and freedom are stomped/squelched/infringed.
So, here’s a hypothetical. Chemical Wonder is working at his cubicle-monkey job and he’s likin’ his life. Gots him a 1992 car, gets his food-stamp help and all o’ dat from da gubmit. Then, he finds out he’s just on the cusp of having to have healthcare insurance because of that 25c an hour raise he just got. But the company elects to drop their health insurance plan, choosing instead to pay the fine.
Chemical Wonder is now in “no-man’s land”. Has a drunk illegal alien t-bone him in an intersection (bye-bye ’92 GM “slim-ride”) and he’s in the hospital. Not having healthcare insurance is no problem…the ACA act covers that but because of budget restrictions, the re-constructive surgery to put his leg back on is too expensive so, since he’s just a cubicle-monkey and doesn’t need much mobility, they cut the leg off completely. It’s quick, it’s easy and best of all, it’s cheap.
No sweat though for Mr Chemical Wonder. They give him a prosthetic leg…first choosing the “closest fit” from all the ones turned in due to the deaths of those who used to have them. None fit perfectly but, due to cost-savings, “close enough is good enough”. He’s not too angry with the gubmint about taking his leg because…they also give him a new van. It’s brand new. Has hand controls so he can drive back/forth to work because…well, if he wants to continue to get the bennies, he has to keep his job. But that’s covered, because, thanks to affirmative action policies, the company can’t fire the “physically challenged”. He’s all set.
Except that he later finds out that they could’ve put his damaged leg back on and he’d have it for the rest of his life but some bureaucrat decided it was too expensive a procedure.
Let’s also ax Chemical Wonder how he’d feel if all this healthcare garbage was foisted upon the people by a republican congress and president and they signed the bill in the middle of the night on Christmas eve. And that the republican president told the people “It’s not a tax”…(you know like when Bush, Sr said, “read my lips”…y’all remember dat, nomesayn?) and it turned out to be a tax. And said, “You can keep your healthcare doctor, only to find out that the regulations stipulated in the new law put that doctor out of business and the only one left in your area is an alcoholic loser who can’t remember your name or keep track of your office visits.
The healthcare system just got DMV’ed. If you don’t believe me, Chemical Wonder, check back with me in five years and let me know how it’s working out for ya.
Aside from being on a roll, you hit my exact analogy: Hospitals will now become the DMV. From the austere offices and surroundings to the people who occupy them one will observe the overwhelming presence of Affirmative Action at work.
Each and every department created to implement this monstrosity will be manned (loosely) by folks whose off-shore counterparts will only be too happy to act as replacements. This is Division II of the TSA pro team we’ve become accustomed to. Go, team, go.
Catholic had nothing to do with it Imho. There were Catholic jurists for and against.
Just lost a lot of faith in my country. I will continue to fight big government.
I felt kicked in the stomach. Now i feel real fear for my children’s future. I never thought it might come to actual, real war between American citizens. I will fight for my kids. I will do anything to protect my children. I don’t believe I’m the only one who feels that way. I am a mostly normal, middle of the road average joe conservative. The Progressives will not win. Period.
I’m glad dirty conservative swill like you feels “kicked in the stomach.” This is a win for American and a defeat for your extreme ideology. The Constitution wins here. A very good way to end the week for President Obama. He is pretty much unbeatable now. Hopefully, your children learn better values than their misguided father who would like to see them die due to lack of healthcare.
Where are the so-called moderators for name-calling swine like Cynical Wonder?
Oh, yeah, ….. I forgot.
I might be wrong but Cynical Wonder’s posts are so extreme and silly that I have been taking them as satire for progressive rants. Either they are indeed satire, or they are intended to be genuine but are so foolish that they are not worth reading.
Maybe some are one and some are the other! Take your pick.
Spoken like a true parasite. I am a responsible adult who provides for the health care of his children. I am teaching them to be responsible adults who can provide for their own health care. Non-tax-paying helpless parasites like you are the only ones who would die if ObamaCare had gone down.
Well, the real reality is that I most likely pay for parasites like you … Red states are the biggest welfare queens of all
Red states? On what planet?
Its the lefty coastal Blues that are the most welfare-social service and Governemrnt union depenent, oh, and by the way BANKRUPT.
Who cares what The Supremes have said today, Dread Scott was wrong too and so was Kello.
Evil can triumph…its still evil
How do you figure that, pray tell? Are you going to tell me that a state like CA is supporting a state like TX
That’s rich. How about California, New York, Illinois, Wisconsin, where blue scum live and who are all about to go bankrupt.
Look here, I’m from socialist Western Europe. I grew up with socialist garbage. I know lots more about it than you do. I know from personal experience in my family terrible cases of medical malpractice by doctors who have no loyalty to their patients but only to the government that pays them. I am sure you have not thought the whole thing through. That’s the problem with you left wing parasites.
You and your family will get one of those bad doctors. It’s going to happen. Count on it.
Your hate is not appreciated but it is expected coming from sick marxists like yourself, your political ideology, the liberal mess of an ideology, comes from hell, it celebrates death (abortion, infanticide, euthanasia), it celebrates deviancy(sexual sickness), it hates the family, it hates GOD and religion, it hates freedom, it hates free speech, it hates individualism, and it’s so very anti-human(eco-religion), all this comes from satanas own putrid mind, go and ask Saul Alinsky’who dedicated his book to lucifer.
I thought about replying to your comment. Then it occurred to me i had to use the restroom. As i was wiping myself, I though of you sweetheart. Your simply beneath comment.
Insults aside, please explain exactly why this is a win for America and the Constitution? Why is Obamacare constitutional? (Putting aside what the Supreme Court says – just because they say it doesn’t make it so.) Mark Levin – an eminent Constitutional scholar – and others have made good cases for it not being Constitutional, and I haven’t seen you offer any cogent counter arguments. Why does America win, since this will centralize health care and any number of authors – some living in England under the U.K.’s centralized health care system – have posted on the dangers inherent in that. The truth is, if you look at all of the side effects neither America nor the Constitution win in the long run. Only the elite who run the government win.
Oh stop. This was never about healthcare and you know it. This has always been about taking over (nationalizing) the health INSURANCE industries.
And you know you don’t care a bit about that man’s children. You will happily turn his children over to a death panel for execution because you flat-earther watermelons don’t like people and think the planet should be divested of them.
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I can only assume you’re making a wry point.
The Constitution *itself* was written to limit government.
But you knew that.
Yes.
But I do think we need an Amendment to reinforce it. I don’t know what language would be in it, everyone is free to chime in about how to word it.
And how about no more Harvard grads at the Court.
Language doesn’t matter in a ‘living’ document, it means whatever they say in the context of the now.
The language in the original document is pretty damn good, and pretty damn clear. To say we need more words on paper is missing the point. The words need to mean something.
Romney has said in the past that if elected, his first act will be to repeal Obamacare. Let’s elect him and hold him at his word. Barack Obama has been the most devisive and destructive person ever elected to high office in America.
Obamacare stands because this is what God wants! Why would you be against the will of God? If God is omnipotent then God has the power to do anything, including doing away with the Affordable Care Act. God did not do that. The Affordable Care Act was upheld, so this is obviously what God wants. Are you second guessing God?
Keep posting your offensive comments.
It’s what we need to get to work harder and harder for a victory in November against the totalitarians.
We have seen three years and a half of quasi-regime, we all need to understand that the left is made of kapos like you.
Not so sure about that Sherab. Whose side was God on today? I know, I know, you have rationalized this in your mind as somehow being a win for you but whatever. If I recall, Hitler thought he was doing the right thing as well and look how he ended up. Sometimes we just have to apply firm pressure to the back of your neck with out boot until you stop squirming and Chief Justice Roberts, a true conservative did that today.
Quite often, God lets us have our own way so that we will end up calling on Him more. This victory is not necessarily a sign of His approval.
Says who?
The Almighty allowed Hitler to come to power in Germany so we could destroy his ass….so thanks for that reminder about why He allows evil to happen…so that we may vanquish it in His name…so let it be with Obamacare
“It’s what God wants?” What? do you have direct line to God?
I know you’re only sneering at us, but you are correct. This IS God’s will. It is God’s will that our country NEEDS to be destroyed because of our sin.
We have allowed all manner of diviancy to rule our country and have turned our back on God. We are being judged for this. Our judgement is that we will be destroyed.
I will point out to all bible scholars that the US is NOT mentioned in the book of Revelations. England, China and even Russia and Germany (The whole EU, in fact) is mentioned. The US is NOT which means we will no longer exist.
Yes, he made that promise. However, he won’t have that power on his own. While he can do some things with executive orders, he’ll need new legislation to truly repeal the law (unless he goes the Obama route and ignores it).
To repeal the law, Romney will need enough people in Congress to pass the repeal legislation for him to sign. This makes winning control of Congress even more important. We’ll need a filibuster proof majority in the Senate or nothing will happen. That’ll be very difficult but not impossible.
If this ruling isn’t enough to get conservates fired up, add the thought of Obama getting to nominate at least one more justice in a second term.
thank you Roberts, can’t believe you actually did something right for a change.
He didn’t, Jack. We can all see that, except for you unAmerican leftists.
my country died today.
no, just you.
Not to nitpick but if he’s dead how did he post here again?
If death is not an impediment to voting, it is likely also not an impediment to commenting on blogs. /joke
Hey Jack: Thanks for the incentive!!!!!!
The court just handed this back to the PEOPLE! We, the people who know freedom, will NOT give up!
Be careful who you are wishing death upon.
The alternative to government paid health insurance is a proliferation of small insurance entities in a competitive market.
Just saying’
Anyone who thinks Mitt Romney is going to bother to help repealing this is mistaken. Obamacare was patterned after Romneycare.
Romneycare was created as it exists because the better cures for Massachusetts’ problems with their very expensive health insurance(such as allowing citizens to buy their insurance elsewhere) were made unavailable by federal government action. The choices any state has in how it can structure its response to health care issues is extremely constrained by previous federal rulemaking. Massachusetts did what it could within the range of choices that it had. Federal rules about Medicare, Medicaid and buying insurance across statelines severly limited what could be done. They bought a pig in a poke because they had no other choice. Also remember that he was working with Democrat controlled legislature the entire time he was governor.
Side note to all my ex-employees:
Don’t hold your breath to be rehired anytime soon.
Many small business owners have been saying they’ve postponed all hiring while they waited for the ObamaCare decision. It will be interesting to see how this decision affects employment numbers in the next few months.
SCOTUS and the Obamatrons may well have put the kibosh on yet another feeble “Recovery Summer.”
Bait and switch.
The Fabian Socialists sold this as explicitly NOT a tax.
They lied.
That’s what they do.
The cover up.
That’s what they do.
And now, the Propaganda and Lies Ministry will begin to work on the distortion.
The truth lost out again. As it always will under the small c communists.
Roberts may have done the Republicans the biggest favor. Had this split 5-4, the small c communists would have attacked. Now…they have to defend.
This IS a tax. It is a small c communist takeover of your healthcare. It is an overthrow attempt on the Constitution. Roberts took some protective measures for the Constitution…but he threw a GIGANTIC tax on the lap of the small c communists.
Now begins the fight for the messaging. Our side SUCKS at messaging and the Propaganda and Lies Ministry almost always wins that battle.
We were suckered in the bait and switch. It was an open lie and another cover up. The overthrow continues.
I spent years in the military since I loved this nation and what it stood for. It seems that all that time and effort was all a waste.
Thank you for your service Sir.
It was not useless. It was training. We will never stop fighting for Freedom, will we ?
Let’s work for a victory in November.
This is Flight 93 of the Republic, let’s roll !
Oh, quit being a whiny crybaby. You and your ideology took a BIG hit today. Justice Roberts was sworn to defend and uphold the Constitution. That is exactly what he did. Too bad you never did.
I hope you are someday called to defend this government from “whiners” like me and . You follow?
I am now convinced that the Obama /Soros machine has something on Roberts. Thats why he voted the way he did!
So Roberts chickened out and what would have been a horrible 5-4 decision the other way is now a good decision? PLEASE, Roberts didn’t want the enormous wave of garbage falling on him from the leftist mainstream media and the ignorant mind-numbed robots of the left!
Follow the money: spike in Romney’s campaign donations? We’ll have an indication of how things will go in November very soon. Our voices and votes will count.
once again, loud and clear, right now, today, and every day up to election day, that he’ll repeal the law.
As bad as this, it still will help us to fight harder for a victory in November.
Now We the People are alone, the whole system of elitists + statists + subversives + foreign interests is mobilized against Freedom: We must fight for every vote, we must defend Freedom.
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Wait… you’re the one supporting “state coercion” (as your fellow traveler Markus correctly names it) and you’re calling the other side fascist?
I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
Look at the bright side. It gives Romney a great issue to run on for November and saves us having to think up an alternative to Obamacare.
The alternative to Obamacare is Romneycare. Oh wait a minute. They’re the same thing! I got a good laugh out of that one! On a separate not Romney will never get that chance. He’ll be spending more time with the family soon.
Can anyone cite any other “tax” that was incurred if one failed to make a purchase? If one failed to engage in commerce?
It seems that the Commerce Clause IS being modified, as a “tax” could be imposed requiring the purchase of spaghetti, and if one failed to purchase, the tax would be collected. Huh? How is this not “COMMERCE”? The two cannot be separated in this circumstance.
Sorry to be obtuse, but I don’t get the distinction.
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I think you do get the distinction. It’s a damned if you do/damned if you don’t construct.
You must either buy broccoli (forced participation in the marketplace) or pay a penalty if you don’t buy broccoli (forced contribution to the Fed enforcers).
Gang, let the shills like Cynical Wonder run their mouths. I would remind you they did the same thing after Obamacare passed the first time. And then November 2010 came.
Take a deep breath – politically, this is much to our advantage.
One way or another, Obamacare is going down.
Well, your going to have to think of “another,” because the “one way” you were hoping for just got crushed. And yes, we’ll see you in November. President Obama is increasing his lead in the swing state polls right now and I predict he will get a significant bump from being vindicated from the political lynching you were attempting. Mitt Romney will go down Like Meg Whitman in CA. Especially since he is hated by Hispanic voters as much as Pete Wilson , if not more. Romney is toast. America doesn’t need an outsourcer in chief.
The court ruled correctly. I’m sure many Republicans are on record calling the mandate a tax during floor debate. If it looks and smells like a tax, it’s definately a tax.
If you don’t like the new tax, vote for candidates who promise to repeal it, as well as repealing all the other more popular parts of the bill, like the ban on discrimination against those with pre-existing conditions.
Yean, and it’s time they take on the Life Insurance industry as well.
They discriminate agains the Pre-Existing Condition of Dead. You acatually have to buy life insurance before the person dies. End that discrimination now.
I find it more economical to buy auto insurance after I crash my car and homeowners insurance while the house is on fire. Those greedy insurance companies don’t see it my way.
You know, EVERY liberal I have had this discussion agrees that when demonstrated with other forms of less emotionally based insurance, like car insurance, insuring “pre-existing conditions” is absurd, and makes no economic sense whatsoever.
State Farm actually mocks this in their commercials, with a driver calling to switch back to them… after the accident. Even Liberals understand… it’s stupid.
In their own lives, they wouldn’t DARE agree to work under the same terms they want their health care provided by. “Okay, let’s fix your weekly wage first. Once we have agreed to a figure, THEN your customers are free to request whatever work they want from you, whenever they want, and you have to do all of it.” Wouldn’t make sense.
They simply believe- and this is the scary thing, they truly, truly believe- that considerations of health care are so important that they trump such things as “economic sense”, and mathematics.
In other words, Liberal health care policy boils down to “I wish it, so it must be, naah naah naah fingers in my ear.!”
Greece has universal health care. But no money for it. They don’t understand how you can have a Right to something , and then not actually have it, when no one is left to provide it.
Of course I have a solution. We need to identify all those who support national health care. These people will then be drafted as necessary to provide whatever labor and resources are needed to keep the system solvent.
Whatever it takes, because nothing’s more important than health care.
It would be the right thing to do.
This is because they don’t view Health insurance as insurance. They view it as a cost-leveling and social welfare mechanism. You don’t buy it as a safeguard against catastrophic events, you are due it as a member of society. The difference is important. Note carefully how stridently the Democrats have made this an issue of “access to health care.” It’s not – everybody in the U.S. has equal access to health care, nobody is stopped from making an appointment with a doctor or walking into a hospital because of race, creed, or income level. Paying for it is another matter, of course. This is truly a matter of paying for health care. Since this can be demonstrably solved better by enabling free-market forces, the underpinning reason for Obamacare is clearly centralized control, not “access” nor “cost control”.
Indeed.
It is not a right given to us by our creator.
Under the national socialists’ argument, oh, let’s take my right to bear arms. If you apply THEIR logic to that, you must therefore be forced to buy a gun and if you don’t pay a “penalty” (now a “tax”) for not having one.
You have the right to get married. But you MUST get married by a certain age or pay a penalty.
You have the right to breathe. But, since stopping you from breathing is counterproductive, we will tax you on the amount of air you consume. Pay at the counter, please. If you can’t come up with the cash, we’ll put you in jail until your debt has been paid.
Where does it end? With the American People. The car insurance metaphor is bullshit. The company I work for will now elect to cancel my health insurance and pay the fine instead. It’s a violation of my contract but, hell, Obama has shown that contracts are made to be broken when the “greater good” is at stake, right?
Today is a very bad day for Liberty. Dipsh*ts like Chemical Wonder above and “Just-us” Roberts well, I hope he gets whatever was promised him at the last dinner party. Probably gonna get him some from that cute young lovely he was eyeballing that evening. Or, some other perk or bennie that us plebs don’t know about and never will.
I used to look at guys like him in high school and college and wonder how they will ever survive in life. Turns out they do just fine…at the expense of everyone else.
Roberts just put a major smelly turd in Comrade Obama and the Demonrats’ pockets. They own a ginormous tax in an election year and they own the havoc that they’ve wreaked on Medicaid. Cue the video of Comrade Obama throwing Grannie over the cliff.
Well I hope so, but if that were the logic and it held any virtue, I’d hope they could get the four conservative justices to sign on. They didn’t.
… we’ll have to wait to see what they did say.
But I’m afraid that SCOTUS is a broken institution at this point (and Roberts a broken justice, after both this and his Arizona vote Monday). SCOTUS doesn’t even get to vote on the fact that Obamacare only works if 2+2=5, it is chock full of bogus assumptions – but these are not unconstitutional! It looks, at this point, like Roberts joined the liberals to find an interpretation, however forced, under which the feds can do whatever they want. No, that’s not what a judge does, a judge decides, and apparently Roberts found some change necessary, and by a wave of his hand imposed it.
Well, again, let’s wait for some details.
Trying to find a crumb in that sewer? Only a warped conservative mind could find anything good in this decision. It is a total victory for President Obama as he heads into his second term. Get used to it.
Someday useful idiots like you and the sane people of this Country are going to have a serious disagreement.
My neighborhood has a lot of security. We like to keep out people like you. So, do bring along your pop gun … That is when you’re not self pleasuring yourself with it.
Good to hear your parents can afford a house in a nice neighborhood that is safe from most Democrat constituencies and they let you sit down in the basement and type with one hand.
It is just that conservatives look for the positive in all things. We aren’t as cynical as the left. We don’t try to blame everyone else for our issues.
Well, the closet doors have been swung wide open for all to see what’s been in store for us since the day Bush43 appointed Roberts. Cancer is a bad thing. Knowing there is cancer is priceless.
Glad to see I am not the only one who sees what might be a silver lining in this ugly cloud. As I point out below to another poster who is currently wallowing in their schadenfreude, the fact that this thing is really a tax is out there for all to see. The PALM, Democrats & Obama can no longer hide behind their big lie that this is not a tax. Our best hope is for the inevitable backlash to come forth & bite them all in the ass.
On a Positive Note (Not really positive) as Rush Said, when Obama Succeds, America Fails.
Well, the Economy will show ZERO improvemnet between Now and the First Tuesday in November for certain. (something that could potentially happened had the legislation been struck down)
Good bye US of A.
If we win in November it will be be goodbye elitists+subversives+statists.
Let’s roll !
The opinion makes no sense.
1) It’s not a tax for the purpose of the Anti-Injunction Act
2) The mandate is not constitutional under the Commerce Clause
3) The mandate is constitutional under Congress’s taxing power.
The mandate is not a tax but it’s constitutional as a tax.
It’s not supposed to make sense. The Court has been fully politicized. Roberts chickened out.
Of all the inane comments here about “I win – you lose” your comment sums it up without pretense. Simple, but true. Roberts found the words to buckle.
Yup, he basically punted. He then whined, “It’s not MY job to decide…why are you all making me do this? Waahhhhhhhh! Not fair!”
But if the supreme court isn’t the referee, who is? We still have two branches of the government ruling against the will of the people.
And who’s to say that when a republican is inaugurated and these policies go into effect…then what? Will the ignorant masses see it as the republicans taking away the healthcare plan they were happy with? Most likely.
There may be a strategy, most certainly likely that they decided to have it all implemented in 2014, well after they surmised they might lose, because the people will be pissed. But having it implemented during a republican tenure will make it APPEAR to have republican finger prints on it when the more ugly parts of the law are enacted. In that regard, it’s a win/win for the national socialists.
If dumbo the jug-eared fascist is still in power, he’ll use his brilliant oratory skills to blame it on republicans anyhow and you know what? People would buy it! That is how damaged the education system in this nation is. Non-critical thinking is all but gone from our majority. It shows in Boehner and other republican “leaders” because they subscribe to that BS of “positive thinking” where to mention the negative aspects of things is “negative thinking” and “counterproductive”.
It’s cowardly, actually.
president he’ll repeal obamacare, but will congress vote with him, even with a republican majority in both houses?
I believe that according to this ruling, repeal is now allowed by executive decree, and doesn’t require Congressional approval.
We are giant and filled with a terrible resolve
We are.
Actually, you are an old feeble wheelchair-bound blob who yells at the T.V. We’re not afraid of you. Never were …
Whatever will you do when mommy and daddy make you move out of the basement because they can no longer support you?
It is a good thing that business and the American people will not have to carry the burden of an out of control health care system. The affordable care act is a step in the right direction toward fiscal control, personal responsibility, and a better America!
If you think the health care system is out of control now, just wait until the Federal Government gets its paws involved. No private insurance company can compete with a Federal ‘Tax’, nor provide ‘pre-existing condition’ coverage for those that wait until ill before seeking insurance, nor provide coverage until age 26 without incurring increased expenses, likely forcing them to go out of business. With the mandated percentage of premiums that ‘must go to patient care’, there is little room to improve and reduce costs.
We now can be ‘taxed’ to buy a new car whenever Congress decides … after all, the jobs are needed, and we all drive, and the new cars are safer, and they get better fuel economy, so we should all buy new cars…
Parsing words. The ‘tax’ will destroy the health care industry, and we, kids included, will suffer for it.
tom
I for one will not be buying insurance unless I need it. Tax me Obama, you have actually saved me money with the mandate.
I never looked at it from that perspective….. $2,500 a year is a damn site cheaper than what I pay now. Then buy the insurance when I need it… after all…. you cannot be declined insurance for preexisting conditions.
Cool.
Obama had started telling people that even if the Mandate was struck down, he was going to reinstate it by Executive Order, so no surprise that Roberts took the coward’s path and saved Barack the Sun King’s rear on that one.
The country is done and freedom is finished….this court decision has just made us all slaves to the state.
As for Romney or the Republicans in Congress repealing it – good luck with that.
I personally have no faith the Republicans in Congress will do it, and relying on Romney (of Romneycare fame) to repeal this crap is a vain hope.
The only idle curiosity I have left is how much farther will the country go before it implodes and people start shooting and looting.
Think that’s a exaggerated conclusion?
This thing has been an albatross around the neck of business for at least 2 years now. Not only did nobody know if it was going to be upheld – they also did not know what was in it.
Now we’ll have a government bureaucracy becoming intimately involved in every aspect of your life (and death).
Businesses will be hit with the burden of paying for this mess – and they are out of money already – as those bureaucrats begin writing page after page of regulations.
Expect that 2700 page document to become more like 100,000 pages of rules.
That many rules – no way you will ever be able to figure out whether you are complying with the law or not. This is why the extra IRS agents were needed that the Dictator just hired.
Expect contradictory directives from the IRS, vague directions as to how to comply, and eventually simply ruling by dictate – “how much money did you make, ok – you can only keep this much of it.”
Layer it on thick enough and businesses won’t survive.
Just wait til the economy sucks badly enough and NOBODY can get work and people and their families start to get really hungry and they are losing their homes….then you will really see it hit the fan.
It won’t be sudden and overnight, it will be gradual….you will simply realize that things are just getting worse and worse as the nation is slowly cooked.
Nullification is still an option I believe. Start calling your state representatives and governors.
Sad, but the fight is only beginning, the Progs have just entered Moscow during winter declaring victory.
And in reality, the only victory here is for Consultants and Accountants, it is their great stimulus bill, the company I consult for is in a panic as to what to do – yours probably is also.
You WILL lose your health insurance, watch the fall out on this to come. Waterloo is ahead for the Progs, they have no idea the fury this way will pass.
Note to self: get to local GOP headquarters the day after my plane lands in the States. Jet lag is no excuse.
(Be on lookout for new ESL teaching job in Taiwan or Hong Kong just in case.)
If this switches on a libertarian lightbulb over the heads of some of you state-loving Republicans, then there’s a silver lining.
Yep!
I’m wondering who got to Roberts and what he was threatened with, after this and the Arizona illegal decisions
I remember arguing a year ago that the mandate was a tax in sheep’s clothes, but forgot about it in the hullabalo over the grab for infinite government power.
We shouldn’t be too upset about this ruling. The way I’m looking at it is John Robert said “It’s a political issue. Chat among yourselves, and decide whether you want your thug government to have infinite power over your lives”. He just may be correct about that.
In four months we can end the chat with a vengence.
And as BobNY reminds us just below, it can no longer be denied that Marion has imposed the largest tax in human history…in the teeth, btw, of the first depression in 80 years.
Those in favor of more of the same, vote for Marion in November.
Obama can no longer deny (not that his denials were true before) that he would not increase taxes on the middle class, it is been done according to this decision.
This decision should have been 4-4,Kagan should have rescued herself, or the SCOTUS should have told her to do it, yet, with all the emails and the 2 months of missing emails show that she was tied to Obama-care and was NOT impartial (I’ll avoid going into liberal impartiality)
I am not amused with the losing side comments who have this look at the bright side response. And we live to fight another day. And this is great for Romney’s election chances. And Obama has to sell a big tax. He already did and had it affirmed today. Or did I miss something?
What I really am witness to is a group of well intentioned people who wouldn’t say feces with a mouth full.
You people wouldn’t know a bullet at your head if you could read your name engraved on it.
So what if Romney wins AND repeals the law? There is precedent on the books now to revive it in the future or some other nefarious scheme to push the limits (there are none) on the commerce clause. When that happens your fight will be symbolic because the big win went to the socialists today.
Negative, Mike. The only real bright spot in the decision from a Constitutional standpoint is that it held the scheme is NOT permissible under the commerce clause.
Then, probably because of politics internal to the Court, they had to find an alternate way to approve it.
But not having it approved as an item of commerce is a really big deal.
Kent
Coming attraction: a Federal Broccoli Mandate, under which Americans must buy broccoli, and not as an unconstitutional mandate, but as a tax. Each time you go to the grocery store, there will be a broccoli bin in the produce section, at which you may pick out up to 7 florets per person (enough for 1 floret per day for a week), and then a fee (broccoli tax) will be added to your bill at check-out. If you choose not to take the broccoli, then you will be charged not a tax, but a penalty. If you take the broccoli but choose later not to eat it, there will be no penalty, because government doesn’t have sufficient resources to police every broccoli floret in every home in America. Broccoli will be served in every school cafeteria and children who don’t eat it will be reported to HHS, and placed on a ‘Non-Broccoli-Eater’ list, whereupon their parents’ health insurance premiums shall double. Deadbeat welfare recipients, illegals & felons, however, will receive their broccoli free. If the free broccoli is resold on the black market, then any money received therefrom can be used to buy booze & smokes. All non-eaten broccoli must be recycled by methods approved only by the EPA, and any non-compliance therewith shall result in jail and/or severe fines. Broccoli farmers will be subsidized to grow sufficient quantities of broccoli to meet demand, but if supply exceeds demand, they will be subsidized to not grow it until demand equals supply. Any state that tries to express sovereignty by overriding or modifying the Federal Broccoli Mandate shall have all federal funds withheld.
Rock, you’ve done a great job of summarizing the terrible potential of the ObamaCare legislation and SCOTUS decision.
One small quibble. “If you take the broccoli but choose later not to eat it, there will be no penalty, because government doesn’t have sufficient resources to police every broccoli floret in every home in America.”
Don’t count on that. Undoubtedly, the Federal Broccoli Mandate will include a provision that all citizens will be subjected to random broccoli consumption blood and urine tests.
GDI, good point, but I wanted to note the absurdity of passing a law mandating something that must be bought and could be, and often would be, wasted, yet can’t be enforced. We are forced to buy insurance, regardless of the status of our health, regardless of whether we use it, regardless of whether we want it, and moreover, covering things many people will never need.
Just as Obamanation has gamed the system with the immigration decision and now the healthcare ruling, he will game the election. He’s going to steal it, folks. No doubt. The good guys are O and 2, and after November, we’re out.
As others have said earlier in these comments, record this historic moment in your memories. Our democracy died at 9:10 EST Thursday, June 28, 2012. We are in the middle of a coup.
How sad. John Roberts intimidated by a blovitating moron and his court of jesters.
He will be remembered as the Chief Justice who put the last nail in the coffin containing our Constitution. He should hang himself.
I think he punted.
Yes, they can tax us to death.(although they said it wasnt a tax)
No, its not commerce (they said it was)
Although I dont agree with the decision, he wasnt ruling on their deceit, duplicity, and ability to tax.
He essentially kicked it back to congress.
Which is why Mittens Coat Nose-Holding Tea Party Coat Tails need to be REALLY REALLY LONG
NO, Roberts did not punt. He codified an abomination. This will be very hard to overturn. Roberts is a coward.
Soviet States of America
As a supporter, I’m having as much schaudenfreude fun today as republicans would be having if Roberts had joined the dissenters and struck down the law. Every other affluent nation employs some sort of state coercion to ensure universal access to quality health care(perhaps Switzerland is an exception). No reason why U.S. joining this club will lead to the Gulag here anymore than it has led to the Gulag in Netherlands, Germany, Japan, or Taiwan(which has single-payer by the way, spiritcorsair).
Enjoy it while you can. Schaudenfreude is a fickle thing. I’ll be enjoying it on election night in November when Obama pays the political price for lying to the American people. Tick tock.
Then you simply misunderstand the history of the USA. Off to wait in line for your healthcare in Canada I say. Or, simply do realize the IPAB applies to you also. Progressive policies always lead to premature death, of the soul via dependency or now via IPAB. They call it the “NICE” board in the UK, and they “let die” without remorse. One day, you will experience this if it is not repealed, you are not special.
With the passage of time will we have the opportunity to see the depth of the significance of the USSC’s case of calling Obamacare basically a “tax.” I’d be willing to bet that this is going to generate a backlash that will be bigger than anyone can imagine at this point. So enjoy your schadenfreude for now, as the Democrats are very likely to pay a very heavy political price for their roles in forging this whole thing.
It’s true, limiting the commerce clause as the majority did today will make it harder to pass other regulations in the future. It will also galvanize people who are only willing to pay taxes if it goes to military contractors and Pentagon employees feeding off the government tit. I, on the other hand, prefer paying taxes to fix America rather than fix the rest of the world. I realize I’m in the minority here, and perhaps in the USA overall. Also, I’m not a garden-variety Democrat — free market economies with big welfare states work just fine in Northern and Central Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea. Hmmm, maybe it has something to do with the quality of the workforce in those countries?
Actually, it has something to do with their significantly smaller populations.
No. Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland also have small or medium sized populations but are still bankrupt social welfare states. Meanwhile, Germany with its 80 million citizens, strong export industries, high taxes and generous welfare state is doing just fine, much better than the USA as a matter of fact. Their only problems are too many unassimilated non-Europeans, low native German birth rates and the expectation that Germans must financially support the PIIGS.
Or perhaps it has something to do with ethnic homogeneity in most of those countries, characterized by a mostly common civil outlook on things.
The lack of that homogeneity (fueled first through slavery, or to be more precise, by giving former slaves the vote – [and I intend NO adverse reflection that it happened; it’s just a fact,} and then by recent waves of essentially unlimited immigration, with lack of acculturation being encouraged)is what makes a democratic republic such a messy process in the good ol’ USA.
Kent
Bingo, Kent. Although once again, lots of nations like Greece are ethnically homogeneous economic and social basketcases. What is vital is not just homogeneity, but the quality of the nation’s stock. It’s risky to point that out in this day and age, however, whether you’re a liberal OR a conservative.
Taxed Enough Already!
I guess you missed the memo that they are all broke. That they all come to this country for serious medical care. That their hospitals are so understaffed and filthy that women are actually starting to die in childbirth again. That lifesaving drugs are denied them. That is sometimes takes years to get an appointment for something as simply as hip surgery.
If that is the nightmare you wish upon the American public then you really do hate people and wish to watch the humanity around you suffer in agony. Kinda sick, if you ask me.
The overwhelming majority of the populations in the affluent countries that mandate universal coverage are satisfied with their health care systems. That’s why even the conservative parties in those countries propose only incremental changes to them. Libertarians and small-government conservatives hate this fact, but its true.
It’s true that some rich sick non-Americans come here for advanced care so they can live a few months longer and pay big bucks to do so, and others come here for convenience of having necessary but not urgent procedures done today rather than in the near-future. No reason to believe that it won’t continue to be the same under any form of universal coverage. Hospitals if anything will more aggressively market towards wealthy non-Americans, since they pay a full bill out-of-pocket. I don’t see what’s wrong with that.
That’s it.
It’s over.
It was a good run, but the Great Experiment has failed.
The Democrats are doomed. This was the worst possible ruling of the court.
Taxed Enough Already!
It has sealed the fate of the Democratic Party no mattter how they try to run away from Obama now. We were taxed by the mandate. They won’t get away with it now that they have been exposed as liars to the American People.
I predict the Dems will retain control of the Senate and regain control of the House. Part of that plan involves the Dems who are currently distancing themselves from o. If they are re-elected, they’ll run right back to where we were in 2009.
Remember Hag Pelosi’s bold statement that the mandate would be found Constitutional? She sounded so confident, I felt a chill that she had inside information. (As an aside, I wonder how they got to Roberts?) Pelosi recently made statements that she plans to regain that gavel. There is much more going on here than we see.
For the record, I’m disappointed in the ruling but very happy to have the political issue. And the base is now fully fired up. If it had gone the other way the Left would have been fired up. What we need now is regime change in November.
I wonder how much money is flowing into the Romney campaign this morning? I just sent them $1000.
Just donated my first $25. More to come. Donations to Mitt will be very good.
Site seemed to be very slow…
I just sent Obama $5000. Romney = Meg Whitman and Pete Wilson’s love child.
Bull$#it kid, you don’t make 5 grand in a year.
You are so full of crap. Obama just signed his own White House exit. Let him go f**ck up another country now. He would be a nice fit taking Chavez’s place. Maybe you can go with.
I have a confession and I hope some can forgive me. I been taking my meds and though I mean some of what I say, well after taking my medication most what is said on this site makes sense. A lot of my anger at conservatives comes from the fact that my parents are conservatives and I don’t always agree with them, well when I forget to take my medication. But even my dad is really angered by Obamacare, and since he works hard and has insurance which pays for my needed medication, and I have a really good doctor we found after all this time, well I guess I’m saying that deep inside I’ve always been against what I’ve what’s said I stood for.
So when I take my meds I see this and everything else as wrong, and I just hope you all here can look past the stuff I say when I’m off my medication, and I know I’ve said a lot of messed up things in past. So just wanted to put that out there thanks, and I’ll understand if people don’t want to listen to me, especially when I’m sick from skipping my medication and say all that crap that I deep inside don’t really believe. Alright, took courage but no matter what Pele think of me, at least I got this said when I’m thinking straight.
It’s this simple. Democrats won the battle but just lost the won. They will now find out what it is like to be a permanent minority.
I am disappointed as well, but there’s no reason cease opposing this job-killing monstrosity.
And now that we have the Obama Paradigm of “working around” Congress, Obamacare is one election away from, if not repeal, effective neutralization. We don’t even have to wait for Congress to vote on it. If Romney is in, but the Democrats still control the Senate, it won’t matter.
All a Republican president has to do now is direct the government not to enforce provisions aimed at collecting the tax. And it dies, under its own economic weight. Obama has given us the green light- all a president needs to do is shrug and ignore a law.
President Obama said the mandate was not a tax or a tax increase in a one on one interview with George Stephanopoulus September 2009 on ABC.
The President lied. This interview should be used as a hammer by Team Romney, the Tea Party and the Republicans from here to election day.
“For us to say you’ve got to take responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase.” ~ President Barack Obama.
This interview and any other interviews by Democrats or the President asserting the mandate was not a tax MUST be rained down upon their heads like anvils from here to election day!
Taxed Enough Already!
The decision seems to me to be the latest version of Penumbras and Emanations. Mr. Obama clearly stated that this law was not a tax. Mr. Roberts says this law is o.k. because it is a tax and clumsily steps around the commerce clause/mandate question. Obamacare’s admirers say Romney is the father of Obamacare. Romney said he would repeal Obamacare. I would like to hear a full-throated condemnation of this decision and a renewed pledge of appeal. This is Romney’s moment of truth.
Our foundation principle of limited government, which has been on life support for years, has just died. It is fitting that this happened at the hands of government managed healthcare. R.I.P.
The great community organizer has acquired the blessing of the supreme court in redistributing the wealth and diminishing freedom and resposibility. A great day for Marx, Lenin, Chavez, and Castro. And now John Roberts.
I can tolerate Romney but he is up against a vast Left and Right wing conspiracy of confiscation and control. They can now force you to buy anything, tax you to death, or put you in prison for resisting. I will take the latter. Time to invest in pitchforks.
I for one will never see the inside of a prison cell…
Unless knocked unconcious in my fight for freedom, and I awake there.
Then, and FROM there, I will fight on unto to my death.
I for one will never see the inside of a prison cell…
Nor will I. Better to die in pile of spent cartridge casings than to submit to tyranny. Recent history is replete with lessons for the attentive. As anyone who has taken the time to read Solzhenitsyn well knows:
Lest we forget. I’m too old to go to prison, but not too old to may them pay for trying.
As a tax the amount and means of computing it are necessarily in the public domain. They’ve passed the bill and now we get to see what is inside. We should form associations and make sure every detail is in the hands of the public and we should also have citizen review boards making sure that health care standards are met. If we organize successfully we can fast track our own through the system.
Hayak is right. In a socialist system, organization, numbers and readiness for violent action mean favorable results. Let’s get organized and exploit the hell out of this puppy.
First administrative act would be to recognize that those who voluntarily congregate into high disease environments (yes, thats you Occupy) are an unnecessary drag on the system even more so than obesity which and we know the government has a vested right to eradicate obesity. Let us tax Occupier organizations and test individual members so that we can locate those with communicative diseases. We can then use appropriate isolation protocols and keep those people on a special tax role so that the people’s investment is paid back.
Works for me and thank you Democrats.
So the poor and indigent will now have to pay for their own healthcare by means of a tax?
You are being facetious, aren’t you?
Actually don’t be shocked when Romney loses. Why? Look at gas prices, have you ever seen gas prices FALL in the summer? FALL when there is unrest in the Middle East? The prices are being maniplated to be low during the re-election push for Obama, gas prices are a constant reminder to the average person that the economy is bad. Most people have the memory and attention span of a gnat, and the low prices will give them positive feelings about Obama despite the still generally cruddy state of the economy. Additionally lower energy costs may give some people incentive to hire, which will also give Obama a boost, at least until they soar back up and thoe people find themselves jobless again.
America as our Grandparents knew it is lost, we are heading towards a totalitarian socialst government or the USA’s first real Civil War. The War of Sucession doesn’t count as the Confederate States were no longer part of the USA but a seperate sovereign enitity.
Gas prices are falling because the Saudis and Russians are voting for obama.
The same think happened in 2008.
I’ve been predicting it for month.
$2.50 by November, maybe under $2. They manipulated the price under $2 in 2008, while they were stealing $7 trillion in life savings from senior Americans. Now millions of people are totally dependent on the government, because there is now way a 70 year-old can get a job today. I call it “serfdom”. Democrats call it an election strategy.
Anybody who thinks this stuff happens by chance is a blind fool.
Ben Frankling said “We have given you a Republic. It remains to be seen if you will be able to retain it.”
Well now we know that answer…
Damn auto complete. Should be Ben Franklin, not Ben Frankling.
Gas prices are falling because of lack of demand. Nobody can afford to travel this summer.
Lots of people I know are traveling this summer. They may be being more financially conservative in thier travels but they are still traveling.
He’s right, gas prices are falling due to worldwide lack of demand. All of the worlds economies are in a slump – even China’s. That information has bee available for months now.
We are personally being very cautious about our own vacation plans this year, but are still traveling. I figure it will be cheaper now than later – but I don’t give Obummer credit for the lower prices. I still remember how much lower they were when Bush left office!
while I welcome lower gas prices as much as the next person, I was concerned that it would be seen as to Obama’s credit for lowering them and hence help his re-election chances.
Given the ruling today, and the likely reaction of business (cutting back, not hiring, not expanding, reduce workforce to that magical 49 employees, etc.) that concern may lack substance as the economy probably won’t be expanding any time soon.
Of course, on the other hand, if you have any financial wherewithal this is a great time to be purchasing anything from land to cars as the prices are dropping.
Well, everything but guns and canned food…..
you are alive.
pay me now.
next, taxpayers own a lot of GM.
they are not doing well, you each need to buy a car every 3 years.
after all its just a tax.
understand this, the fed gov now can do anything it wants TO YOU and/or with your money and call it a tax.
you don’t support gay marriage?
pay your hetero-preferred tax.
so on and so forth.
I should like to ask a very SERIOUS question for me that hopefully someone with familiarity with constitutional law, etc. might answer to my satisfaction or inform me that, indeed, the terms of the judgment do not fit as I will seek to show. If the Congress through law ORDERS the American citizens to purchase health insurance, it is clear that the constitutional problematic is the nature of such ordering. Now it does follow that, once the order holds, costs will arise. Allowing for the “living Constitution” as an interpretive principle, I can see with torturous logic that one could view the payment of fulfilling the order as a “tax”. (I know, that is stretching things quite alot.) But the cost as tax and the order to purchase are two different and distinct entities, indeed, they constitue a sort of a causal post hoc, ergo hoc. So, even if the costs are viewed as a tax, what does that have to do with the constitutionality of the “order”? I do not see the connection that the SC has drawn thereby leaving Obamacare in place. So to speak, the SC has answered an apple question with an orange judgment. Am I wrong in my perplexity? Can someone point out the error of my distinciont between the constitutionality of a Congressional “order” with the interpretation of the effect of said order as a “tax”? Enlightenment would be greatly appreciated.
However, there is for me a silver lining in the SC storm cloud. What? If the costs of purchasing health insurance constitute a “tax”, I should be able to deduct said paid tax from my gros income in order to come to shrink up a bit my taxable net income. I suspect that, if my income tax logic is correct, the fed. gov. will well be receiving less fed. tax from many a citizen. Or is that already too late?
Never gave much thought to the survivalist approach but I’m beginning to.
If you LIKE your DEATH PANEL, you can KEEP your DEATH PANEL — until Nov. 6th! Employer’s won’t hire, stocks are tanking — all signs point to a total defeat of Obama if not Obamacare.
“The Supreme Court has ruled that RomneyCare is Constituional so the Republicans should join the Democrats in celebrating this ruling.” – Rep. Raul Grijalva on the Capitol Steps today via C-SPAN3
As Obama said previously, with a 5-4 decision is becomes an activist court and certainly not conservative. No that the Court has said the mandate is a tax, then Obama has presided over the largest tax increase in history. There is no spin here. To get rid of Obamacare, we must elect Romney and we’ll hammer that point across right to election day.
The SC just tweaked (re-wrote) the law to allow this tyranny. Shame on them.
By tweaked I meant the SC deciding to change back to calling it a tax when defense had steered away from that. In effect re-writing that part of it for them instead of judging it as is.
Hey Boy Wonder, get back to work, those fries are gonna burn!
Ok, taken a few hours to digest this travesty, and have come to the conclusion it is time to go full Galt.
while retreating to a safe enclave is impractical, what I CAN do is refuse to economically interact with any business that supports these MF’ers. I intend to actively seek out those of similar political views.
If I have acquaintances who are all about the Obumbler, they are dead to me outside of the most necessary of interactions.
If someone so much as has an Obammer bumper sticker on their car – they certainly are not going to be able to get in line in front of me in traffic!
I would further suggest to any willing to listen, if you have a business and have employees and find yourself in the position of having to cut some of them loose due to the economy – ya might want to look out the window and see if they have any bumper stickers on their cars to give you a clue as to who you should let go.
I am sure there are other measures that can be taken…..
Ironic how close we are to the 4th of July. Infuriating how much we’ve forgotten about oppressive governments and taxation since then. Some idiots on these pages are actually celebrating the end of freedom and limited government.
Sorry, Founding Fathers. You pledged your lives, your fortunes, and you sacred honor for Liberty–and we carelessly threw it away. We couldn’t be bothered to keep informed. We couldn’t be bothered to closely watch our government to keep it from slowly, inexorably sliding backwards towards the Dark Ages, towards kings and serfs, towards oligarchy. Today I mourn for all the soldiers who lost their lives in the name of a Liberty that just died today.
Wow I’ve watched this as a Canadian in Toronto and I’m surprised but not stunned since this president Stalin got voted in to begin with.
Your constitution which is a beautiful peice of writing is now dead.
I’m worried as a Canadian for my kids future because the America I know is gone.
I’m not as afraid as you Americans should now be but very concerned for my many American friends.
Now I get why some of them have left your country permanently.
Good luck to you all down there and we have room up here for many…lol.
Politically, I view this as the money quote:
“Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law; we possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”
That’s legalese for something along the lines of “you dumba**es elected them, so if you don’t like their tax, elect somebody else.” Taxed Enough Already?
So, now Comrade Obama can’t run against the evil, conservative, corporatist USSC who took “free” healthcare and birth control pills away from the parasites.
Since the Supremes have now allowed any sort of tax that Congress concocts, you liberals should now be prepared to buy tea from Rush Limbaugh under the next Congress/White House.
I was afraid that they might expand the power of the federal government by making anything they want us to do fall under the commerce clause. No, they can now do whatever the want by making the penalty a tax. Anything. There is now no check on their power, in effect no constitution. Second amendment? Fine, you have a right to a gun but if have one you have to pay a million dollar tax. Right to free speech. Sure, say what you want about Obama but pay a million dollar offensive speech tax.
The answer is to refuse to pay the tax and to kill anyone who tries to collect it.
America to Roberts: “Et tu, Brute?”
Do not get sick AFTER JUNE on the Reservation?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Z4YROH4Jw&feature=player_embedded#!
U.S. Government Healthcare On Indian Reservations Is A Nightmare Posted by Admin | Posted in Politics -2009
http://thetruthwins.com/archives/us-government-healthcare-on-indian-reservations-is-a-nightmare
When does the next Constitutional challenge to this law start? If the Court declared the mandate to be a tax, then the bill was not properly passed, since all revenue-raising bills must start in the House, which this one didn’t:
Article I, Section 7:
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
I knew Roberts was a secret liberal because he once said:
“There are no individual rights, beyond what the state assigns to us! Whee!”