byRoger L Simon
Then play this:
Sad. I really felt for her at the end.
Well, you did it, lady! You sold out your own nation every time you called someone a “racist” who was trying to maintain the culture that you now miss. You kept going left because it was “sophisticated” and “intellectual.” You lived in denial that anything was happening and now you look around and find it’s too late.
Maybe the demise of England (and most of Europe) will serve as a warning about the dangers of the trendy self-loathing we call “Political Correctness.” Hopefully, we have enough people left in America who aren’t afraid to be called names who will stand up for American culture.
+ a thousand to your comment, RKae. I’m sorry, but the English in particular are weak and they’re stupid. And the alien takeover depicted in this video is what happens to stupid weaklings.
They’re PC cowards. And the first step to a cure is admitting what the problem is. Fine, she goes out to talk to them, on film, in public – how “brave.” Would she ever step out of her PC comfort zone to actually lobby in public for policies to deport these Muslim nuts or campaign for a party that would? No, that would be unfashionable. What would the neighbors say?
“You shouldn’t judge me…I try not to judge you,” she says in perfect relativistic PC cant to a woman shrouded in a tent while marching in support of a terrorist murderer. And her type is as common in the UK as can be. For all her facility with her native tongue (English, obviously), and her late-to-the-party acknowledgment of what’s happening, she is still a prattling, oblivious idiot.
Having spent 6 years in Britain, I can tell you that the people there are far stronger and more capable than you give them credit for, and highly intelligent, and quite frankly, if you choose to look at British history you would find that without Britain we would not have the western world as it is today.
Are there problems in Britain? Sure. But their problems pale in comparison to our own, expecially with our feckless leadership. Being an American, I am offended by your comments against our allies and friends, and your comments serve nothing more than to create the idea to the British that Americans are nothing more than fat, bored, boorish people who do nothing but look on others from an imagined sense of superiority.
Having lived and worked in London for 3 years I can also attest to the quality of the British. It’s unfortunate however that the multitudes who lament the turn of events over the last two decades have not been more assertive in their opposition to foolish policy. England, and most of Europe for that matter, are legitimate battlegrounds that have yet to go truly hot. I’m afraid it’s gone past the point of being able to legislate away. They are the front line now for western culture’s stand against the relentless march of Islam and America had better pay full attention and provide support when and where it can. The battle is brewing here too.
That is one brave young woman. The intolerance of Islamic fundamentalism doesn’t get any more blatant than this. I find it interesting that the same Muslims who refuse to recognize the laws of non-Islamic countries are the first to claim the freedoms and protections that those same nations provide. Try having a protest march through downtown Riyadh.
BTW – As I recall Luton was the town supposedly blown up by Dimsdale Pirhana in the great immortal Monty sketch.
Monty Python was the epicenter of the dissolution of England. John Cleese recently cried in his beer that he had to go into the deepest countryside to even recognize England anymore. The cities are a slurry of differing cultures with islam predominant, “Britishness” is subservient to the emigrants. Well Cleese, you liberal damned idiot, you made your not inconsiderable living for decades ridiculing your own Country and Culture into the dustbin of history and now you complain and feel nostalgic about it? Reminds me of the crap our own politically correct morons are pulling. Cleese is discovering that living in gated enclaves in what used to be your own Country “ain’t too cool”. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
What a wake up call for that woman.
Of course, so many of us knew all of this already. I don’t know if she still believes it is a “tiny minority” that profess the beliefs that she encountered, but perhaps this will be enough to overturn that hoary old lie.
The real blame goes to those Leftists who, after WWII ended, began a program of immigration from “The Colonies” with the specific intent of undermining and then destroying the society and culture they so despised. Mission accomplished, blokes!
For another rendering of the White Cliffs of Dover:
Your video link – wow, just wow.
Over 30 years ago we lived in England for three years while my bride and I served in the USAF. Our first child was born in Oxford. It was a wonderful time – drinking beer and throwing darts with WWII vets in the pub, meeting and visiting with friendly people (farmers, artisans, professionals, laborers, OAPs, an entire spectrum of folks) in the one shop in the village, being accepted as villagers regardless of our origin – to live an a rural English village where everyone seemed to have a deep pride in their heritage. Visits to London, Cambridge, Oxford, and other cities were always fun and with very few exceptions we met friendly, helpful Brits (and assorted Scots, Irish, Welsh). We cherish our time there and the wonderful memories. Seeing the first video clip is like a gut punch – sickening to watch as well as heart breaking. It’s like seeing a dear friend that has been ravaged by a chronic disease – which I suppose it is.
Heyford, Croughton, or Barford St. John?
England no longer exists as you think she is, my friend. I have friends who live there and I’ve hiked the Lake District and Scotland the length of Glen Coe.
They are very socialist and although they claim to love their country, it sure doesn’t feel like it. Expressions of patriotism are discouraged or mocked, and the only reason people seemed to show much pride was for what they were given – ‘free’ health care and the like.
It’s tragic. They are not breeding, they loathe their own nation and culture and they’ve done a very, very good job of destroying both. As The Instapundit puts it, the future belongs to those who show up. England will be done and gone within 50 years just due to demographics. They’ll likely be the last of the European nations to collapse, but collapse they will.
actually, it’s Mark Steyn who says that. But keep reading Instapundit too.
Thank you! I’ve only ever seen it on Instapundit and didn’t know it’s original source. Now I do so the day’s a plus!
Time to beat Drake’s Drum!
I applaud her for having the courage to confront them like this. I think that a lot of the Leftists in Britain simply do not understand or accept the threat. They simply don’t take it seriously and that denial allows them to scoff at the idea that these people are not into compromises. They are not there because they admire native British people or British culture. Britain is just a piece of territory for them to occupy and eventually re-make in their own image. Once more people are willing to admit this to themselves I think that the British will start to finally remember who they are.
Much of what you say is true if a little exaggerated! In fact Britain is one of the more fertile nations in western europe.
She was arguing with Anjem Choudry,probably the most well known muslim troublemaker and publicity hound in Europe.
Luton is probably one of the most muslim towns in Britain. I’d hate people to get the impression that the demonstration was a run of the mill event.
– there will always be an England
If you count the soon-to-be “Englistan,” then, yeah.
It would be hard to find a more clear example of fighting something with nothing. The poor girl with her perfect and empty postmodern (read Leftist)understanding of Islam, freedom, her “rights”, etc…” … doesn’t Islam say to respect the law of the land?” Uhh, NO Its really not her fault that she does not have a leg to stand on. The whole West is in the same predicament due to Judeo Christian ideas having been systematically discredited and undermined – over generations – by people who were just “smarter”.
“I can wear what I want!” (Yes, and you have been conditioned and encouraged to act like a ho at the clubs. Sorry but Western women are seen as notoriously “easy” and the rep is not something they have done anything to discourage.) Liberty – the thing that made England and the West great and which she seems to have some inkling of – is not libertinism. This young woman was trying to fight the hypocritical and harsh moralizing of a 7th century death cult with the confused and sentimental nostrums of a dying post Christian culture.
This must be what it is like to see two low IQ drunks arguing over some political issue.
You can see the problem though: this poor, leftist useful idiot was *SHOCKED* to learn that–what do you know?–these people actually believe those horrible things all the evil right-wingers and xenophobes have been supposedly lying about all these years.
There are so many of these well-meaning multiculti dummies in the West who are quick to call their fellow countrymen racists but jump to the defense of this totalitarian ideology that seeks to dominate the world. And unfortunately for every revelation like hers there are millions sticking their fingers in their ears going “na-na-na can’t hear you!”
Oh that plus in Europe especially white women (and yes whites are the natives in Europe) have decided there is no need for them to breed any more. White women, as a group I am blaming you and your naive outlook on the world.
She, and others who think like her, would do well to take up the responsibility of passing judgment. The Muslims in this video are attempting to subvert Western civilization, specifically the rule of law and respect for an individual’s right of conscience. What they are doing is evil.
It’s not just Luton folks, look at gorgeous George Galloway figuring out how to get elected in Bradford.
When I lived in Kensington we had weekly muslen marches up and down the high street with major aggressive shouting going on outside the Israeli embassy.
London is exciting, dangerous and vile – all at the same time. They will tidy it up for the Olympics and then I’m out of here. Seriously. We’re looking to move to the west side of Ireland, that should be safe for a decade or two.
And after that decade or two, where will you run to next?
And after that? More running? More hiding?
Do not ever underestimate the British. They will start to push back against this nonsense.
Just take away their welfare. See how quickly the radicalism is reduced. The world changes when you have to work hard to support children.
As a people they no longer have the will, the numbers, or the means.
The ‘English’ you are thinking of no longer exist in any significant numbers.
The British courts just sent a British man to prison for 56 days because of bad taste “racist” tweets he made in poor humor while drunk. There is nothing the British of 2012 WON’T put up with. They have no fight in them at all. They are ready to submit and that’s exactly what they’re doing.
A quick sprint off Beachy Head if things don’t improve. I’m pinning my hopes on the NHS which cannot cure anyone of anything these days.
3 years ago I spent a sabbatical writing a book about Christianity in London. It was a mix of history, guidebook, and apologetics. London/England has played an enormous role in the history of Christianity and still has a vital Christian community despite what you read. The book is unpublished, which was disappointing but understandable. What was amazing to me was the apathy, areligiosity and ahistorical Weltanschuung of so many Britons. I think we are seeing the results of that. It won’t end well.
richard fernandez has an e-book on how to publish electronically. I haven’t read it, but I think it would be as thorough and accessible as all his other writings.
as well, dean wesley smith has a website that covers how to publish electronically.
Right now, for a great many books, the electronic version acts as a test-market, to see who is interested. I don’t think the learning curve is entirely steep.
Mark Styen wrote “America Alone.”
All of Europe is in a demographic death spiral with islam. In countries like Italy and France, European women are giving birth at 1.7 while islamic women have 5.3 children. France has a population of over 20% islamists. By 2050, Notre Dame will be a mosque and France will descend into the 9th century.
There are three potential outcomes. (1) Europe sinks passively into an islamic night. (2) muslims assimilate into European cultures, or (3) there will be a violent anti-islamic movement that will make the holocaust seem mild by comparison.
My hope is assimilation, but I doubt it will happen. My head tells me that religious violence, the norm in European history, is very likely.
Nope, option (1) is what’s going to happen. Young people fight wars; old people don’t. Old people are naturally risk-averse, even more so if they don’t believe they have an immortal soul that will exist after their bodies are dust. All the youth and militancy is on the side of the Muslims, while the ‘enlightened’ post-Christian elites are getting steadily older and more effete. If they don’t expel the threat within five years, it will be too late.
I’d double check for current birthrate figures, America Alone was published 6 years ago and citing studies that were published just after it went to press, David “Spengler” Goldman in his September 2011 book How Civilizations Die: (And Why Islam Is Dying Too) says at the end of chapter 3 in a section titled “Eurabia or Eu-grave-ia” that as far as we can tell (the data is sparse) European Muslim birthrates are falling fast outside of England’s Pakistanis. So:
It may be that the threat of a “Londonistan” in the United Kingdom is insufficiently appreciated while the prospect of a Turkish takeover in West Germany and Senegalization of France are exaggerated. Whether Muslim immigrants to Europe compromise a much larger share of population or not during the next generation or two, the evidence is that the Muslim wold is only a generation or two behind the European in the slide towards depopulation.”
He follows with a grim prediction; get the book and “read the whole thing”, it’s quite an amazing, wide ranging and accessible work of scholarship. The sections on the end of the Western European project of Christian community (the Thirty Years War) and its relation to the founding of the USA, and why we’re different, is fascinating.
Even leftists are no longer able to pretend that Islam is now, and always has been, at war with Western civilization. Fundamentalist Muslims utterly believe that they, and they alone, are beloved of God and everyone else is destined for hell, and they are not going to change their minds, and they are not going to stop trying to take over the world.
Even leftists are no longer able to pretend that Islam is now, and always has been, at war with Western civilization.
I see nothing, at this time, to support this wild optimism. The leftist-socialist-progressives are quite capable of pretending for a significant length of time, the facts be damned. If a person has reached a position through something other than logic, it will take something other than logic to move them from that position.
This reminds me of the enviro-nut who chained himself to a tree and was subsequently eaten by a bear.
I was told his last words were something like, “But you don’t understand, you need me!”
A poster above is right, stop the welfare and they will largely self-deport. Please Brits, do it soon.
She lost me when she tried to assert that she wasn’t judging the protestor and claimed that she was “above all that.” Horsehockey.
Making judgements isn’t a bad thing. The New Testament verse about judging (which seems to be the “moral” foundation of this position for so many people), never gets quoted in its entirety. “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
Ain’t nothing wrong with judgement, if the measure is true and righteous. It’s the hypocritical judgement that’s the problem, both in Matthew chapter 7 and elsewhere in The Bible. You know, like judging people for judging while you’re saying that you’re not judging them.
At the same time, she’s got guts. I’m not sure I’d be willing to do what she did.
I only made it to 2:11, where she says something like ‘I choose not to judge you, why do you judge me?’
That, honey is your mistake. At some point you must make a judgement call. If you can not stand up and say this is wrong, vile and offensive, and should not be tolerated, then why are you talking? The Mohammedans have no compunctions about being judgmental. They have judged us, and are not pleased. Mohammad Merah, the Toulouse gunman, made judgements and then acted on his convictions. Notice that some of his victims were Muslims who were “moderate” and worked for the French government.
Randroika: right you are.
From last year…
Cleese also spoke about the shift in British attitudes away from a “middle-class culture” and the emergence of a “yob culture”.
He said: “There were disadvantages to the old culture, it was a bit stuffy and it was more sexist and more racist. But it was an educated and middle-class culture. Now it’s a yob culture. The values are so strange.”
He added that he preferred living in Bath to London because the capital no longer felt “English”.
“London is no longer an English city which is why I love Bath,” he said. “That’s how they sold it for the Olympics, not as the capital of England but as the cosmopolitan city. I love being down in Bath because it feels like the England that I grew up in.”
It’s ironic, I think, that Cleese spent a large part of his professional career mocking and denigrating the England he claims to miss. I like to point this out to my pinko sister who bought a house on a mountain to escape the results of her(and millions of others like her)liberal policy beliefs.
Liberals are stupid, dangerous children running with scissors…
In August I wondered whether Britain has reached its turning point in the wake of that summer’s riots.
The answer yes cannot be easily given, since, as Christopher Hitchens pointed out, “The political class has been devotedly destroying what used to be called “civilized society” since the end of World War II while energetically isolating themselves from what they wrought.”
I thought it was somewhat amusing that she was shocked that Muslims thought she was going to hell for not being Muslim. So what religion doesn’t believe that non-believers will (at best) be barred from their version of heaven?
They won’t follow law that isn’t Muslim law? Then why do they choose to live in non-Muslim lands?
“They won’t follow law that isn’t Muslim law? Then why do they choose to live in non-Muslim lands?”
Because they’re colonizers, not immigrants. Or an expeditionary force – however you want to put it, they’re not here for the melting pot, but the buffet table. And they won’t pay the bill.
The answer to your question is – the Jews!
Jews believe that all righteous people have a place in the hereafter. That is why Jews do not proselytize.
Coming soon to an American city near you. You better be willing to die to preserve freedom because they are willing to die to spread their version of supreme law.
Dearborn Michigan…they’re already here.
…There’ll always be an England, and England shall bow down, five times a day the eastern way they’ll touch their head to ground…………
Its traceable to the disdain for their country that so-called intellectuals spread in Britain and here. The average student in the US and Britain cannot articulate why their countries are better than the hellholes elsewhere in the world.
“Intellectuals”(narrowly credentialed people with very little knowledge of history or economics) trashed Britain since the 1920′s. Britain was an imperial power they said, as if India was worse off for the British instead of better off. As an imperial power it was “bad” no matter what good it did and what the alternatives were.
Russia was the land of the future, insisted gullible intellectuals who were blind to the oppression in Russia under communism (it was for good purposes!), and indifferent to the freedom in the US and Britain.
Even on the verge of WWII, the self-styled intellectuals curled up with Stalinist tracts instead of supporting their own country.
Since Britain wasn’t “perfect” as the USSR hoped to be, the intellectuals, who fancy they would be valued more in a communist dictatorship, have continued to savage the Western democracies while they pine over Cuba and long for the USSR.
I hope the process is reversed somehow. I really admire the British. The labor party there ought to be excoriated on this one issue till time immemorial. Immigration is fine: but swamping a country with people who detest it except for the benefits was malicious. (The indians, hindus and sikhs, however, have been quite good).
But it must be hard to stand up for western democracy when you’ve been taught all your life that its no better (and probably worse) than other political systems. We see the same crap here in the US with college professors trashing the US on a daily basis. Even in middle schools US history is often taught as one long apology for the “oppression” of Asians, blacks, women, etc. Kids come out apologizing for using the A-bomb, for Vietnam and everything else.
But isn’t this the great multicultural society that everybody wanted when they started allowing mass immigration of Muslims?
Her tolerance is misplaced.
You do NOT tolerate people who are determined to destroy you.
England, wake up.
I think there are two types of liberals. The rich well protected types, ie politicans and Hollywood elites who pretend to like diversity but live in all white communities, and know diversity isn’t always good.
The second is like Stacey hear. She never dealt with other people nor examined other culturals, but was told if she believed they were all equel she was ‘good’. So she believed you could allow millions of islamists into their country, and it would have no negative effect. In fact any problems would be the racist whites who could not possible be right because they felt the Western culture was better, and so were not ‘good’ like Stacey. The Stacey’s do not know reality from fantasy like the rich liberals who protect themselves with armed guards and lawyers.
Many lefties would pretend the Islamists do not say these things, but she at least addressed them. If it was a Klan march or BNP there would be just as many whites out there protesting against them. Where are all the ‘moderate’ muslims do counter protest? Oh yeah they don’t exist. So it is strange to watch her reaction. She really did not believe muslims thought that way. To be told by a WOMAN that she was naked while wearing a moderate dress… that’s not possible, that’s not ‘good’.
I remember John Cleese had a whiney screed along the same lines, that he does not recognize the place he grow up in, and realizes he no longer lives in Britian. For centuries, while countries would change it would still be that country. Britain would still have British people in it. Now it has alot of muslims, and even if they’re born in the UK they are not British, they are muslim. The muslims will always be muslim first in any country they move to. They will not adjust to the country, they will force their world view on that country, like the rape gangs in the UK.
SO… yeah… there ya go. ENjoy diversity. How long does she think it will be before they burn British buildings again, and how worried will she be when she remembers the police and military did nothing and British citizens were not defending themselves.
The injustice of Muslim Sharia law continually makes a case against itself.
The beauty of the Western Enlightenment culture of the United Kingdom, the United States and all good nations continually makes a case for itself.
Time is a slow motion truth detection machine.
Muslim insanity will never prove anything but Muslim insanity.
The beauty of the West will never prove anything but beauty’s truth, with the exception of ugly progressive half-brains.
“Will There Always Be An England?”
No. Looks like the ’60s have caught up to England: anti-War demonstrations (Iraq, not Vietnam); anti-Police demonstrations; denunciations of the country; weird clothing; inhuman ideology. Any drugs?
And, well, the English elite (who allow this immigration) don’t want an England, so why should I?
“And, well, the English elite (who allow this immigration) don’t want an England, so why should I?”
I think the criticisms of John Cleese are unfair. Sure, Monty Python made fun of traditional British values and mores. But such humor has a long tradition in Britain. Part of their greatness is that they can laugh at themselves.
“Part of their greatness is that they can laugh at themselves.”
Saves us the trouble of laughing at them. The British have voted for everything they’re getting.
The most likely scenario: Europe is on the verge of rolling national bankruptcies, with Germany and Britain probably the last to fall. After Berlin ceases to be the continent’s social welfare office, there will be a viscious battle for whatever pension and benefits resources remain, which the aboriginal Europeans will win. With no state support, Muslims and non-Euros will stream back to their 3rd world hellholes, where their family connections will ensure some level of subsistence. Messy but inevitable.
Sorry but the Euros are soft and old. And this time the object of their wrath is not going to go quietly into the cattle cars. The French banlieues that ring Paris would make the Warsaw ghetto look like an amusement park.
I wouldn’t bet on the home team on this one…
I think what she did was a very brave thing, especially since she clearly didn’t expect to find what she did. I certainly do NOT think it was PC, morally relativistic or weak that she didn’t launch into a spirited defense of the superiority of Western culture while marching in a parade of Islamists. Tolerance is often touted as the highest virtue by progressive types- and there is no shame in fighting these people with the PC language that they’ve come to know and love, and that I’m quite sure they themselves have used in other situations. That doesn’t mean she believes it, but rather that it’s smart to throw the words they use so often right back in their faces.
On the other hand, I am also quite sure they would feel perfectly justified in getting physical had she put their religion down, given the lopsided application of British hate crime law. She is just one (young) woman with a cameraman. Haven’t we seen THAT go wrong before?
I currently live and work in a Muslim country and showed this clip to our work colleagues (Muslims). They could not believe this was allowed to happen, nor did they agree with the Muslim extremists on the clip.
In the words my colleagues ‘Bad Muslims’!!! and I was also surprised that they all agreed that the protestors should abide by the law of the land or get out!!
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