I listened yesterday as Rush Limbaugh made his apology to Sandra Fluke with disgust and anger. I understand Limbaugh’s reason for doing so, but I think to apologize to a mean girl and her posse is political suicide. Remember the movie Mean Girls with Lindsay Lohan or Rachel Simmons’ book Odd Girl Out that discussed female bullying? The basic theme is that girls use verbal aggression to harm their target. Well, now the left side of the political system is one big mean girl and they even have Rush Limbaugh cowed. That’s no small feat. The mean girls of today, like Sandra Fluke and her comrades, buddy up with the mean girl groups like Planned Parenthood and the Democratic Party to isolate and bully their targets into submission. Limbaugh fell for it hook, line and sinker. And not only did he fall for the mean girl routine and apologize, but he let the left use his morality against him: somewhere Alinsky is laughing. After all, didn’t Limbaugh just fall for his fourth rule? “Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this…”
According to Wikipedia:
He later attacked his critics claiming: “I acted too much like the leftists who despise me. I descended to their level, using names and exaggerations. It’s what we’ve come to expect from them, but it’s way beneath me.” His apology itself has been criticised and rejected by Fluke as well as some commentators, politicians and businesses who have continued to pull their adverts.
There are many conservatives who unfortunately allow the left to take their morality and use it to stifle their dissent. Limbaugh should have gone on the attack. He should have said “no apology” and exposed her for the partisan hack that she is. Do I care if Fluke fucks 50 guys? No, but I do care if she uses her position to gang up with other mean girls (and guys) to ram a political mandate down the throats of companies who do not believe in what she is peddling.
Standing up to mean girls is hard. I am in the process of writing a book on men’s attitudes towards marriage and society and it is damn hard to get individual men to be interviewed. If I ask questions on the internet or in an anonymous setting, I am flooded with comments from men. I recently had over 3200 men answer a poll about paternity fraud, but try to get just a few men to talk in person? That’s tough. And most are very concerned that their name will not be published. I don’t blame them. The mean girls are out in society in full force.
If Rush Limbaugh can’t stand up to the mean girls, who can?
Thank you, Helen. I heard Limbaugh talk about Fluke, and I AGREED with him: the fact is a woman who NEEDS $1,000 worth of birth control items to prevent her becoming pregnant is – in fact – a “slut”, a “slattern”. The word is related to a Norwegian term, “slott”, or “idler.”
Fluke lives in a world that has never experienced shame, because everything she does, and everything she thinks, and everything she has done in her entire life is perfect.
What a shining example of Americana is Sandra Fluke!
she must be a lousy lay if her boyfriend isn’t will to buy her the pills.
Which boyfriend?
All 50 of them!
Good grief, you people are vile, evil, little, spiteful sheep.
“Slut” is a term that originally used to refer to both men and women.
Calling Fluke and her comrades “sluts” is tupid and shortsighted, because the guys they’re having sex with ALSO benefit from and want free contraception.
Argue this on the adulthood factor, the responsibilty factor, even the “not my problem to pay for your sex” factor.
Don’t use the term sluts unless you apply it to the “men” as well, you just look like an idiot, and frankly this attempt at sexual extortion is gobsmacking enough as it is.
Perhaps Ms Fluke and her colleagues need a Guide to Frugality. But should it be subsidised…..?;)
The “mean girls” argument here is just silly. He’s hardly lost his living, he just had to apologise. He lives to talk/rant again another day.
According to Wikipedia, “slut” has NOT been used to refer to men since Chaucer. “The modern sense of ‘a sexually promiscuous woman” dates to at least 1450.’”
So yes, Fluke is a slut.
Does anybody know if Fluke participated in last year’s Georgetown SlutWalk?
She is an activist, after all.
How is this even relevant? If Fluke had brought one of her partners and referred to both of them as “sluts”, would that make it better? Etymology games are fun, but don’t really have any bearing on this discussion.
The one thing that Limbaugh accomplished is that he revealed the hypocritical outrage of the left. The left stands idly by when Sarah Palin is called a c*** by Bill Maher, then froths at the mouth when Limbaugh uses an even less offensive term for someone who wants me to fund her entertainment.
Words matter. At least they used to.
Hypocrisy only comes in if you have standards to live up to. Leftists don’t.
Rush baited the lefties’/”mean girls’” into exposing their hypocrisy? How very “Breitbart” of him!!
(I don’t think he’s all that concerned about losing a few advertisers – especially those who’ve been using his name to get business from conservatives, only to send the profits to Move-On, etc. May even have been looking for a way to get rid of them.)
so if carried a placard on the street saying ” I need money to pay for my birth control” you wouldn’t think her a slut. got it.
Huge blunder on RL’s part. Dr Smith it is so refreshing to begin to see women speak out against what feminism has become; femalism, misandry and a political bludgeon used not to further genuine egalitarianism but to capture power funding and enforced outcomes. Another women(here @PJM?)spoke recently AGAINST the institutionalized, misandric, cottage industry that the VAWA has become.
The only way to succeed is to use their own ‘rules’ against them as they advocate. As for guys not wanting to have their names in there, I don’t blame them after watching the carnage all around me in my friend and family’s relationships. It helps to have a professional such as yourself on your side. Perhaps with a few more books from brave souls like yourself and allies like Warren Farrell I won’t have to field stupid questions like ‘why are you afraid of commitment’ so dang much.
What Rush should have originally said was, “why should we pay for Ms. Fluke’s obvious rampant promiscuity?” and left it at that.
Except that we don’t whether she is promiscuous. Also, this whole debate about whether she is a “slut” or not makes us forget the central point of our argument, namely, that we should not be compelled to pay for Fluke’s entertainment. This is a person who wanted us to fund her sex life, so that it doesn’t cut into her future six-figure earnings or force her to make sacrifices in other aspects of her life. She doesn’t want to be accountable for her actions–she wants us to bear that respnsibility. That is the central point, and I wish Limbaugh had emphasized that.
“What Rush should have originally said was, “why should we pay for Ms. Fluke’s obvious rampant promiscuity?” and left it at that.”
Nope, that would have been the end of the story. He had to get them really riled up to keep the real story alive. Maybe he could have done it differently (e.g., ran a contest to get one of the men to come forward vs using those words) but to do what you suggest would have been the end of the story and this is an important story.
It took several months for the Phony Soldier strategy to play out. Ol’ Rushbo, is not done with this. Don’t be like the German troops on the Beaches of Normandy after a lull in the overnight preparatory bombing, “I’m glad this is over.” Rush is probably around step 4 of a 25 step plan to hand it to the left.
If Rush had turned up the $3K worth of contraception figure, (even more had it turned up the fact that Fluke chose Georgetown in order to have standing to challenge their policy about contraception) and if he had said “paying someone $3K to have sex sounds an awful lot like prostitution” he’d have been on more solid ground.
Is Rush’s famous show prep slipping?
I heard part of what Rush said last week and felt at the time that he was going over the top. I believe he could’ve done a much better job of attacking what she said, not who she is. He made it unnecessarily personal. I think he seriously messed up in his approach to this topic.
I would’ve started at her claim that Georgetown women spend $1000 a year on contraceptives by quoting the price of generic birth control pills (less than $10 a month) and other types of contraception. By demolishing her cost claims, he could’ve discredited her testimony.
He could’ve also focused on asking why – of all medications – should contraceptives be given away for “free” with no copay. It makes no sense other than political pandering to buy votes.
BTW: Promiscuity implies she had multiple sexual partners. We don’t know that and it’s really none of our business.
contraceptives are not medications …
Er…if they come in pill form, yes they are.
What kinds of medical conditions can be helped with birth control pills?
Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS): is a hormonal imbalance which causes irregular menstrual periods, acne, and excess hair growth. Birth control pills work by lowering certain hormone levels to regulate menstrual periods. When hormone levels are decreased to normal, acne and hair growth often improve.
Endometriosis: Most girls with endometriosis have cramps or pelvic pain during their menstrual cycle. Birth control pills are often prescribed to treat endometriosis and work by temporarily preventing periods. When hormonal treatment is prescribed continuously, young women will rarely have periods, or not at all. Since periods can cause pain for young women with endometriosis, stopping periods will usually improve cramps and pelvic pain.
Lack of periods (“amenorrhea”) from low weight, stress, excessive exercise, or damage to the ovaries from radiation or chemotherapy: With any of these conditions, the hormone “estrogen” is not made in normal amounts by the body. Birth control pills may be prescribed to replace estrogen, which helps to regulate the menstrual cycle. For girls whose menstrual periods are irregular (too few – or not at all), birth control pills can help to regulate the menstrual cycle to every 28 days and provide the body with normal amounts of estrogen. Normal estrogen levels are important for healthy bones.
Menstrual Cramps: When over-the-counter medications don’t help with severe cramps, birth control pills may be the solution because they prevent ovulation and lighten periods.
Premenstrual Syndrome (PMS): Symptoms of PMS such as mood swings, breast soreness, and bloating, along with acne can occur up to 2 weeks before a young women’s period. Birth control pills may be prescribed to stop ovulation and keep hormone levels balanced. Symptoms may improve, particularly when oral contraceptive pills are prescribed continuously.
Heavy Menstrual Periods: Birth control pills can reduce the amount and length of menstrual bleeding.
Acne: For moderate to severe acne, which over-the-counter and prescription medications haven’t cured, birth control pills may be prescribed. The hormones in the Pill can help stop acne from forming. Be patient though, since it takes several months for birth control pills to work.
Other Medical Benefits
Because there is less menstrual bleeding when taking birth control pills, you are less likely to get anemia (low number of red blood cells, which carry oxygen from the lungs to the tissues). Birth control pills lower your chance of getting endometrial (lining of the uterus) cancer, ovarian cancer, and ovarian cysts.
The statistics are clear. Poor and minority women clearly have a disproportionate number of abortions, and free abortion on demand will slow down the growth in the poor and minority populations. By emotional, Democrat calculus, doesn’t that make taxpayer- funded abortions “racist” and a “war on the poor?”
Limbaugh apologized for stooping to the left’s level. They’re the ones who get to use terms like slut, c*nt, tw*t, and wh*re to describe their opponents, not us. If anything, his apology is an indictment of the left and the MSM that allows them to get away with this kind of misogyny with little more than a slap on the wrist and a wink (if that).
That said, I’m annoyed that Rush allowed the left to change the narrative in this way. This is really a First Amendment issue, since it started with Obama imposing his secularist beliefs on the Catholic Church. Now, the MSM is openly working with the left to turn it into a “women’s rights” issue.
On top of that, in less than 2 days, we went from the left exposing its mindless hatred (yet again) by publicly dancing on Breitbart’s grave to defending Limbaugh against their screeching, FEIGNED outrage over Limbaugh having called this Dem operative and hack a slut.
Limbaugh’s remarks were an unforced error. Fortunately, no one will remember Sandra Flake a month from now, let alone November.
The S word is the new N word–can’t use it unless you are one?
Dr. Helen, I think you’re the only person on the entire internet I see take on the issue of Misandry and Gynocentrism, and I want to say that I seriously appreciate it.
Sadly, most _males_ I know seem to think that even considering that Misandry might be a real phenomenon makes one a misogynist…
Kitsune,
Thanks, I find that troubling if I am the only one taking misandry seriously on the internet, I think there are others. However, men do need to take misandry seriously. As I work more on my book and see what is truly happening to men in our country in terms of work, marriage, college etc. it is quite scary. If men don’t stand up soon, their rights and daily life will be affected to the point where they will become second class citizens. Perhaps they are already there. We must all fight back against the myriad of laws, culture and politics that gives women rights and men responsibiities. Most important is to fight back againt the men who benefit from this arrangement politically or in the workforce. As long as they benefit, not much will change.There must be consequences to misandry, so far there are few or none.
Our machismo might never allow us to take misandry seriously. There’s an unwritten code among men that if you get gravely injured, you’re supposed to suck it up and pretend it’s just a flesh wound. As a man, you’re not supposed to be a victim. It’s also the reason that a man posing for nude pictures is not being “exploited”, while his female counterpart is. Men don’t get exploited because, rightly or wrongly, they don’t see themselves as exploitable. Trying to convince them that they might sometimes be victims of discrimination is an uphill battle.
When have men not been “second class citizens”?
In most Grievance Studies class textbooks* one finds the sociological claim that it’s the second class citizens who are the majority of those doing the fighting and dying in a nation’s wars.
*Except, strangely, in the Women’s Studies textbooks.
Rush conceded only the word, not the substance of his position. He was not bullied by losing a few easily replaceable advertisers. Most likely his wife told him to apologize.
Rush did a Sun Tzu retreat. He’ll be back twice as strong as the left’s Stalinist suppression of political opposition is evident for all to see.
a feigned retreat? — possibly
Outstanding post, Dr. Helen! I think, however, given the context, Rush may be able to turn this around by concentrating now relentlessly on the real issues of liberty: no reasonable person cares what Ms. Fluke does with her body, but no reasonable person believes we should all pay for her choices either.
I do think there is a fair case to be made that the behavior detailed by Ms. Fluke might well meet dictionary definitions of a “slut” far more closely than the many conservative women whom the left has so casually slandered. And, I think that will serve Rush well if Fluke is so misguided as to attempt to sue him (as Steny Hoyer seems to have advised her).
That doesn’t make his statement wise or even tactically useful for his cause, however. He was pwnd, fair and square.
I think what our society needs is for the women to stand up against them first. My husband knows I despise these people so he doesn’t worry about expressing his opinion. He feels like he doesn’t have the right to say anything. If women stand up and say “of course you have a right to an opinion” then I think you’ll see more men fighting back too. I’m not trying to say they need permission I just think they need reassurance that they’re not the only ones out there. I’ve been pretty vocal in my personal life about the other side. When you’re a 25 year old stay at home mom you pretty much can expect the brunt of this mean girl attitude. They’re bullies and they should be treated as such. Mock them and ridicule them.
Decent men who have a family have to know that they won’t be sacrificing a higher priority. We might care a great deal about society’s misandry but there’s got to be a very high ROI for discussing it to be worth endangering our family’s peace and tranquility. Usually there isn’t.
Unlike others who use the term Rush was using to refer to infered amount of sexual promiscuity. This goes into the castration of men and their lack of ability to honestly criticize a woman on any grounds. Men are supposed to act like all women are perfect by no other reason than being a woman. This attitude permeates male female dynamics and makes personnel relationships more difficult.
Simple fact a woman who needs 1000 dollars a year in contraception is either sexually promiscuous to a level of additiction, to stupid to find it cheaper, or has some medical need for it that is not being analyzed and I would presume some other treatment exists besides “the pill”. I am sad rush apologized, his joke was quite pertenant to the point he was trying to make. worse yet his apology just made the matter worse in the media as it gave MSM a few more days of traction out of the topic.
Helen,
You could get a man to charge a machine gun nest before you’d get him to air views contrary to what he thinks women might want to hear.
After all, if a man wins military glory, historically, he also won the admiration and attention of women.
But if he says something that he thinks contradicts what women want to hear, he might expect that attention to dry up. (Whether it actually does or not is another matter).
Not me. Though. I can’t be sure that I’d charge a machine gun nest, but I can be sure I would put my name to a document containing politically incorrect views (I already told you about my book). If you want somebody to answer questions calling for un-PC answers on the record you have my name and email.
Just a stupid question for the good Doctor….what on Earth is that spidery ink-blot thing next to your name under the article? It’s drivin’ me nuts.
Our language is rapidly changing.
Let’s just come up with a new word for slut.
How about “Fluke”. I think it might just catch on.
“That girl is such a Fluke.”
Just a stupid question for the good Doctor….what on earth is that spidery ink-blot looking thing next to your name, under the article, supposed to be? It’s driving me nuts.
All I need to know concerning Fluke..
Definition of FLUKE
1: flatfish
2: a flattened digenetic trematode worm; broadly: trematode
Definition of TREMATODE
any of a class (Trematoda) of parasitic usually hermaphroditic flatworms including the flukes << oh my, her entire family?
Definition of HERMAPHRODITE
1: an animal or plant having both male and female reproductive organs
2: something that is a combination of diverse elements
Holy hermaphrodite, Batman!
OK, I'll stop BUT somehow it all fits..
Thank you Merriam-Webster
Parasitic, hermaphroditic flatworms don’t need contraceptives.
The worst aspect of this matter is that Fluke and her mean-girl defenders have once again successfully employed sex in service to a Death Machine.
If we don’t learn how to deflect that distractor, it might yet kill us.
Aphrodite/Ishtar ascendent. The ancient god(desse)s of lust and violence, having been released from the prison in which they had been contained (see Ephesians 6:12, Colossians 2:15) will demand full payment.
Rush apologized for going down to the level of the opposition. I heard the entire episode last week and played Friday’s show again (24/7 Member) working on the farm this weekend. And carefully listened Monday. I think you have to be a regular listener to get the whole plan here.
Rush loves to stir up controverse using absurdity. I think he wanted to keep the story, the real story (the gross Obama overreach telling anyone that offers a benefit to employees what that benefit must entail) alive. I think he rightly judged that without something that stirred up the media the story would fade. The words he used did that but was not quite as clever as other times he used the same strategery.
I think he has recovered. Even “Ted Baxter” had it on his show last night – thanks to Rush – and Ted Baxter w/ Bernie Goldberg basically put aside the words and even Rush and got to the meat of it.
If Rush did not go overboard this story would be gone, but it is the perfect illustration of why we must defeat Obama and his statist ilk – perfect.
I am sure this story is not going to be over anytime soon, thanks to Rush. Over the next several weeks the real facts will become known by more people (I sent the transcript of yesterdays show to several people).
The left has truly jumped the shark and Rush took some arrows in his back to illustrate what is really going on in the Nation.
Good Bless Rush Limbaugh and thank God for his courage. Plus anyone that thinks this will cost Rush a dime in advertising does not know the business.
I would be happy to be interviewed, and have no problem with my name being used. My fairly recent, Titanic-like experience with the institution of marriage has changed my perception of the female gender forever and all time. Shoot me an email if you’re interested, Dr.
Dr. Helen, you are absolutely right. Rush has vacated his position as America’s conservative spokesperson with this apology. He should have attacked and attacked hard to expose the left for what they are. Instead, the left may actually have won the war with this battle. We shall see, but for me, Rush is finished. And Alinsky is laughing harder than ever with his buddies Marx and Stalin somewhere in Hell.
This issue is a microcosm of our dilemma in society today. Rush told the truth. By definition, she is what Rush called her out to be. But political correctness will not allow the truth to be said out loud.
This is how Barack Obama got elected and how he has achieved so many of his goals. Those who oppose him are not allowed to tell the truth.
Helen, must say on this one, I think you are wrong here about perception and strategy, if not substance as well. Whether Fluke was used by, or is part of, the “mean girl” leftist establishment (I think she’s an aspirant), you have to be able make that case factually before you can claim it for humor or analogy, especially in ways that are otherwise deprecating at the most personal level. Limbaugh’s analogy was tenuous at best.
If Fluke fudged her facts on the cost of contraception, call her out on that. Even if the cost of contraception were related to how much sex one has, that does not necessarily indicate promiscuity. If her legal scholarship and activism are extreme left, document it.
For most people, Fluke’s introduction was Rush Limbaugh’s comments. And that was a huge miscalculation on his part.
Helen, must say on this one I think you are wrong here about perception and strategy, if not substance as well. Whether Fluke was used by, or is part of, the “mean girl” leftist establishment (I think she’s an aspirant), you have to be able make that case factually before you can claim it for humor or analogy, especially in ways that are otherwise deprecating at the most personal level. Limbaugh’s analogy was tenuous at best.
If Fluke fudged her facts on the cost of contraception, call her out on that. Even if the cost of contraception were related to how much sex one has, that does not necessarily indicate promiscuity. If her legal scholarship and activism are extreme left, document it.
For most people, Fluke’s introduction was Rush Limbaugh’s comments. And that was a huge miscalculation on his part.
I have waded into the fray of “mean girls” over at a website called The Hairpin. But they started it with a truly uninformed post about the BC controversy.
They should really rename it The Hatpin. Anyway, it’s a fight worth waging because young women really need to wake up and take responsibility for their thoughts and how they got there. It’s amazing to see how little thought actually goes into their assumptions. But it’s not their fault. They are not thinking, but parroting what they’ve been taught from the cradle. You can’t hate them, but they won’t let you speak to them either, so fragile are their egos.
Yes, I called them silly geese and then they proceeded to live up to it. They’re lucky I didn’t try to open their eyes to the evil that comes from refusing to think and call them worse. But I did chide them that for all their independence and 40+ years of a feminist movement, they were still demanding that a Government-Man take care of them.
What would Breitbart do? I relish the thought.
If it looks like a duck and quakes like a duck, it must be a fluke. Time for the right to band together with the true information on this issue. But stay cool, calm and collected. And stay joyful. The left can’t handle joyful.
Actually, it would seem that the vast majority of women have become second class citizens becase of the changes in marrage and domestic laws. More and more they are finding that men who would make suitable and worthy husbands are not getting married and the available pool contains rather worthless individuals. In the past a man needed to wed to advance in society as a full adult and because a single adult was not a viable long term economic unit. With household applainces that no longer is the case for either. Men as a general rule are less committed to hearth and home than women so the fact that they very likely will never wed is much less of a hardship for them than women whose biological clocks are ticking. Add to that the unfavorable balance of power in divorce proceedings and domestic relations and you have the situation where more women are seeking husbands in a pool of men that has diminished both in numbers and quality. A popular feminist addage is that ” a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle”. Since the feminists have also devalued sex a large proportion of men have decided that it simply is not worth while to mortgage their live in an institution that is so totally unfavorable to them. I think that this may be a cause of the fact that almost one in three children being born in theis country are bastards.
Interesting spin. The problem is that the laws are becoming stricter on men out of marriage also, and I suspect this trend will continue to keep even those men who are unmarried under the thumb of the state. But you make a great point. Many women are paying the price for the disinigration of marriage in an interpersonal sense but if they use the state and government to pick up the slack financially, that keeps everyone on the hook. Of course, if only women are left working, perhaps they will start to protest if taxes get too high for them. It’s one thing when men are supporting women, it’s another when women are supporting women.
An interesting read on the flip side of the home-care technological revolution. The rise of appliances and home automation has often been cited as critical in the feminist movement and empowering women to be able to work outside the home, but I had not previously considered that it also empowered the man to keep and maintain a household in a cost-effective manner without requiring a live-in home maker (i.e. wife). Thank you for raising this POV.
Another perspective would be that the pool of marriagable women has shrunk dramatically. Men aren’t all that excited about the “I am entitled to have it all and I expect you to pay for it…even after I get tired of you” crowd.
I’m a bit confused. Liberal women all over the world are participating in slut walks with T-Shirts that either label them as sluts or indicate that being a slut is a good thing. But, when conservatives label such women as sluts based on an implied promiscuous lifestyle the requires a $1000 per year to fund, they are somehow upset by the slut label. Am I living in the twilight zone or what?
@Nuclear Physicist: IRONY.
Dr. Helen, do you know how contraception works? You take it in one dose that’s effective for a time, no matter how many times you have sex in that period? You idiot. Calling women sluts who use birth control. Who are you people? You are really the worst. Arbiters of the world’s morality. Does anyone call Rush a slut, even though he has probably banged more underage Dominican prostitutes than stars in the sky? He is a disgusting hypocrite and so are you. He doesn’t want “us to pay for her pleasure” but we DO get to subsidize the airwaves that made him a mint.
I really think it’s time for you all to get together, buy some land, and hole up with your guns. You can keep your women however you like. I would try Afghanistan– I think it’s a great fit.
Burt, you’re a tool – a big, mean, drooling dummy. Instead of desecrating this web site with your moonbat silliness, why don’t YOU gather up your framed photo of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, your Nancy Pelosi Pez dispenser, your tofu grater, your PETA tote bag and your free range bean sprouts and move to a real leftwing paradise, like Chicago or Pyongyang. So long, Burt!
asking, no, demanding that other peoplr subsidize her sex life makes her a slut. is this too dificult for you to understand?
So what does it say about men whose insurance pays for their Viagra prescriptions? Which, of course, many insurance plans already do, purely as a voluntary matter. Somehow objecting to this disparate treatment between men’s sexual health needs (boner pills) and women’s (birth control pills) turns someone into … something.
Two things: First, if you truly believe that it is your ideological opponents who are failing to understand a leap of logic you’re making, that’s irony of a gargantuan level.
And second, I’ve only briefly looked through this comment thread, but good lord, what the heck is wrong with you people? Is this level of ugliness a personal aspiration, or what?
The left has touted condoms as an inexpensive and safer (from and STD standpoint) form of birth control for years.
For the cost of one-use condoms, as an available substitute, to approach a $1,000 per year regimen for purposes of contraception, you would indeed need to have a lot of sex. But that wouldn’t necessarily point to promiscuity.
“…wouldn’t necessarily point to promiscuity.” Yeah sure – until one realizes that the unmarried Ms. Fluke’s hypothetical one-and-only would have to be heroically available for her to incur such an expensive sex habit.
Try again.
hey (egg) burt
all citizens pay for your heroes to use the airwaves as well…we’ve had to suffer through endless vitriol from the likes of al frankenstein, keith dobermann, rachel madcow and al whore for years due to their right of free speech. you are a typical liberal, because it seems you only approve of free speech when it is your beliefs that are being broadcast. you also stated you want me to take my guns and move out? well, i’m not moving and you can’t take my guns away because of my rights under the 2nd amendment. (and, well, you’d die trying anyway) that’s the way the founders designed it…i think they were aware that people such as yourself existed even then, don’t you think? for your further enrichment…
“Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.” — James Madison
care to argue with him?
It’s funny how a woman can make a big deal about her sex life and how she needs oh-so-much in the way of contraception, but you aren’t allowed to comment negatively on it. Kind of like the slut walks – “Hey, look at me, I’m dressed like a whore… and you have to ignore that fact!”
Unlike Rush, I won’t call Ms. Fluke a slut. In fact to call her such is probably an insult to easy women everywhere. Ms. Fluke is much more conniving, and her interests here appear to be primarily financial and political. Using sex in a calculated manner to advance her political and financial interests doesn’t make her a slut; it makes her a ho-ass bitch-ass ho, as a female friend of mine puts is.
“…but you aren’t allowed to comment negatively on it….”
See, this is what I don’t get. Who is not allowing Rush, Helen, or anyone else to comment negatively? If you think that being told “I hate what you said, shut up, it’s disgusting!” means that you are “not being allowed to comment negatively”, I think you need to toughen up a little.
You are indeed in the twilight zone. As a commenter above pointed out, it’s like rappers who are allowed to use the N word while the rest of us must tiptoe around it.
You are watching leftists who cry crocodile tears about the starving poor, but would gladly appropriate $3000 from that fund so that Ms. Fluke doesn’t have to be put out when she puts out.
You are watching leftists stand idly by when Eric Holder tells them its a-ok to assasinate American citizens without a trial, but celebrate when he tells them that certain foreign nationals deserve a full bells-and-whistles trial in the civilian judicial system.
You are indeed living in the twilight zone, along with the rest of us.
I’m really sorry that you don’t get to use racial slurs and sexist insults. At least it helps hide (though only somewhat) how ugly of a person you are.
By the way,
Carbonite CEO David Friend says he has 2 daughters who also need $1000 worth on contraceptives that someone else should pay for. Go get some from those Flukes, guys. (hey, he brought his family into this.)
rush used to run an ad for a company that promoted good language skills. one of the ad lines was “people judge you by the words you use”. as a long time listener, i understand exactly what rush was trying to illustrate, but i think rush might have phrased his description more accurately as “prostituting herself for the advancement of her far-left agenda”. i also think he was correct for saying that, out of anger, the way he expressed himself was incongruent with his conservative ideals. conversely, the fact that the “victim” didn’t accept his apology indicates the lack of the very graciousness and sensitivity liberals proudly proclaim to possess. she remains an unrepentant, promiscuous feminist activist with an ultra far-left collectivist agenda. she is just another example of our disintegrating moral climate in america that must be defeated at every opportunity. become breitbart
Since fluke wants others to pay her to have sex slut may not be the right word.
Limbaugh should have avoided all of that and just attacked her math and her sell out of feminism by i insisting others pay for her freedom, not herself or the men in her life but others. A feminist who wants to be coddled by Big Brother is pretty far from the original idea.
Pro Flowers, Legal Zoom, Tax Resolution Services, Quicken Loans, Sleep Number Beds, and Carbonite. These are some of the companies that dumped Rush. I have sent each an email stating that they lost my business. I suggest you do the same.
Boycott the boycotters!
Trey
Each of those outfits are signing Sandra Fluke as their celebrity endorser – if they’re not hypocrites, that is.
Pro Flowers, “always fresh”.
Legal Zoom, “Consensual sex agreements without a lawyer!”
Tax Resolution Services, “if the IRS challenges your deductible expenses”.
Quicken Loans, “when you’re a little short but he’s not”.
Sleep Number Beds, (need I say anything here?)
Carbonite, “when you have no time for doing backups”.
lolololololololol!
One of Rush’s own rules is that the aggressor in any conflict sets the rules. Fluke was the initial aggressor in this matter, and Rush should have followed his own rule and played by her rules. But, of course, when you have a moral conscience Alinski’s rule #4 can get you.
I was told by someone when I was young to never apologize to anyone who does not already love you. Apologizing to anyone else can never help you.
“Fluke was the initial aggressor in this matter…”
You’re right – how dare she testify in Washington, and force Limbaugh to call her all those nasty names!
yes trying to get the power of government to subsidize her sex life at other people’s expense. great campaign slogan for the left” vote for to get your sex life subsidized!” keep digging.
Tracy,
Fluke never “testified”. This was no formal congressional hearing. That hearing was last week when the Democrats started this dog and pony (bitch and mare?) show by, at the last minute, saying they were not going to have Barry Lynn, the atheist activist, speak as scheduled and instead tried to get Fluke to appear before the actual congressional panel. The Republicans insisted on following protocol, so the Democrats set up a phony “hearing”, to get Fluke on camera. This was a press conference and she issued a press release, not sworn testimony before congress.
Politics ain’t beanbag and if you’re going to try to manipulate public opinion, you’re going to have to suffer the slings and arrows of criticism. Or are women special, immune from criticism? Curious blend of chivalry and feminism, but then it’s not about equality but rather about you getting privileged treatment.
I also listened to Rush apologize and it was beneath his dignity to do so especially under the circumstances. He must have been forced to do it by someone. But I agree, he should not have apologized and the assumption that he had anything to apologize for is tenuous considering the numerous times that many leftists have insulted opponents without apology. I agree, with boycotting the boycotters. These advertisers are famous today because of Rush Limbaugh and his style of showmanship. I think they are cowards. I’m tired of the left setting the debate and the tone of the debate. I think the entire left should be boycotted. They only have power because of the money extorted from businessmen who think that the left just has a different opinion. They don’t just have a different opinion. They are arrogant, cruel and vicious people and they don’t deserve the platform that voters have given them. We’d be better off without progressives influencing our debates.
I have expunged all files relating to Carbonite and ProFlowers from my computer, moved all of their email addresses to my Spam filter, eliminated all links to their websites from my favorites, and requested that they remove any references to my email address from their records.
Wow, I bet they’ll miss that 75 bones / year you’re paying them.
It appears that the premise here is that it was ok for Limbaugh to call Fluke a slut because a) Liberals do it, too!, b) the etymology of the word slut is more applicable than the connotation, c)because she’s on birth control, she must be banging lots of guys, therefore she is a slut, or d) you having to supposedly pay for it (are you all on Georgetown’s insurance plan?) affords you every right to call her a slut.
Here’s a game you can play – call a woman you know who’s on birth control pills a slut, to her face, see how she reacts. Then use your massive powers of logical deduction as set forth above to explain why it’s ok for you to call them a slut.
Geez, are you people afraid of the sexytime or what? No having fun outside of wedlock! I guess what goes for you in real life also inures to others….personal freedom!
This is the most pathetic group of crybabies, peeping toms, church ladies, and ignorant, sex-depraved fools I’ve ever run across on the intertubes. And that’s saying a lot.
I listened to Rush live yesterday as he explained his apology. I see why he did it, but I think he should have gone more on the offensive. This is not the time to be timid and as we have seen over and over, the Left likes to set things on fire. Rush should have fanned the blaze their way much harder.
He was successful in one thing – he’s got the nation talking about the media and their hypocrisy on the subject. Nicely done.
Access to birth control, whatever. What she and her ilk want is access to my wallet. And they won’t find any birth control there, not since I was 17 anyway!
Considering we have something like a $17 trillion national debt which is growing by $1T per year, real unemployment at 15% or more, gas prices closing in on $5 per gallon, I am dumbstruck that such a transparently manufactured non-issue should be dominating public discourse…in a presidential election year no less.
This country deserves the fate coming its way.
I have listened to Rush since 1990 and generally find him entertaining. However I don’t support what he said. It was crass and ungentalmenly. Sure Bill Mahar does it but that’s why I don’t like Bill Mahar. I think there so many better ways to make his point. Again, I like Rush but the fact that we his conservative fans are willing to give him a pass and complain about him apologizing is what is wrong with this country. Back in the day when this Country was a great nation full of good people a person would never say such a harsh thing because of the universal shame it would bring to them. There were standards. Words meant something and so did decorum. That is all gone now. I am a conservative because I think in some ways we had a better world then. I hope that we can one day return to a time when people conducted themselves with respect and honor in the public square.
But that’s why we’re getting our clocks cleaned by the Left, because we let them hold us to these standards while they don’t even pretend to have any of their own. This isn’t a gentlemanly parlor game, the soul of the country is at stake. The Left is already in its endgame scenario. This is a cultural street brawl and we better learn how to fight it.
The only thing politeness and gentlemanly conduct has earned us is a country on the verge of destruction.
The country is on the verge of destruction because of selfishness. It’s on the verge of destruction because no one has a sense of anything greater than themselves, of serving a higher calling.
Limbaugh and his hangers-on are all about themselves and defending atrocious behavior because it serves _themselves_.
They are no different than Fluke, Pelosi, Obama, Reid, et al.
Limbaugh’s behavior and the rah-rah cheerleading by PJ Media and other right wing media outlets have lost the 2012 election already.
When we have females like “Dr. Helen” approving commentary from men like “Ed” (comment#33) that essentially put out a call to rape someone’s daughters, we’ve all lost.
Commenter “Ed” (#33) is, sadly, representative of what passes for conservatives today.
Moderates and independents see comments like Ed’s, they have neighbors who use rhetoric like Ed and Rush and the other men and women on this thread who are giddy over calling a woman names and making sexually degrading comments, and they will express their disgust in the voting booth.
But that doesn’t matter — “Dr. Helen” doesn’t care about this country. She doesn’t give a hot damn about this election. She has no morals or ideals. This thread is only about her upcoming book and grooming a target audience. That’s it.
And guys like Ed are her target audience, which is pretty darned funny. I suppose all the men she’ll interview are his sort — men no decent woman wants around her children — men who publicly call for the rape of a strangers daughters because he disagrees with them politically.
I suppose I should thank Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Helen, and the majority of commenters here at PJ Media for showing me the ugly truth about what conservatism has devolved into.
What Rush should have said is “usually when a women tells me she needs a little ‘help’ in the bedroom she buys me alcohol first”.
“I listened yesterday as Rush Limbaugh made his apology to Sandra Fluke with disgust and anger.”
Actually, I listened yesterday, too, and he didn’t do that at all. He was subdued and sincere.
Conservatives are hilarious.
“Anonymous” = Irrelevant
Conservatives are hilarious.
Okay, I cry “uncle.” It is meaningless one-liner comments from people that cannot construct a basic argument that are, in fact, irrelevant. And that is you.
Rush is Right! He didn’t apologize to NOW (national Organization of women) back in the 80′s, so why did he do the “Fluke thang” this past week?
Quite possibly to shore up support for the GOP. Priebus and Mr. West must have “suggested” this course of action, because Hermann Cain’s “Bimbettegate” seriously got the GOP brand and message shoved into limbo. And Super Tuesday was on the table, so “Rush! Apologize, Period!” Can hear it now.
Or an alternate scenario may have been, his intimate circle of friends and relatives suggesting a more conciliatory approach to “understanding” a law students ‘wants, needs and desires.” Whatever that means.
No matter what, all this is, is a “manufactured crisis” by MSM. One can hear Mssrs. Emmanuel, Holder and Axelrod laughing their a**es off! Especially in White House’s War Room where Mr. Obama’s re-election headquarters are centered.
This is a kabuki, classic “Gotcha.” And yes, Rush fell for it hook, line and sinker. Rush should be the ‘ol Rush’ stand up to NOW, Gloria Alred’s of the world…tell tehm all to “go take a hike.” He did Cindy Sheehan (of Crawford, Texas fame). God Bless America. Amen.
William Buckley with his classic cool could have handled Ms. Fluke easily with just a raised eyebrow and smile but not Rush he led with his mouth and it got mashed. Personally I am very surprised that Rush fell for something so transparent, it was a set up by a Democrat apparacheki. A 30 year old student using the party line and he falls for the scam and dazzle, not to smart for Rush, he had a frontal assault on his gullibility and was overwhelmed with a propaganda coup.
Wow, Helen, you must be very proud of the level of sophistication and gentility of your commenters. I’m gonna bookmark this as the go-to site for high-level discourse!
My favorite part of this whole debacle? That Rush and none of his loyal listeners seem to have the faintest idea of how birth control pills work. For the amount they obsess over slutty sluts and their sexing times, you’d think they’d figure out how a basic prescription for the pill actually prevents pregnancy.
Unlike, say, I dunno, Viagra *cough cough* you do not take a pill any time you want to have the sex. You take one pill each day. It prevents a mature egg from developing. It doesn’t kill sperm, it doesn’t kill fertilized eggs, and it can help immensely with regulating menstrual periods and preventing certain kinds of lady cancer, for instance. A packet of pills contains 28 pills (7 of them placebos), generally speaking, and you’ll need about 13 in a year.
Which adds up if the insurance you pay for doesn’t cover it – unlike any other prescription.
Unlike, say, I dunno Viagra *cough cough* the pill has definite medical benefits aside from those related to wanton boinking.
If you’d like to know how Plan B or RU-486 work, lemme know – because they’re not the same thing, either.
Now, if you don’t mind me, I’m off to take my birth control pill and then bang the defensive line of the Oakland Raiders. Or possibly just be thankful that I don’t have to spend a fortune on tampons because I have a heavy flow.
My favorite part of the “debacle” is that leftists like you still don’t seem to understand how insurance works. You say it “adds up if the insurance you pay for doesn’t cover it”. Here is a newsflash for you: It adds up, even if the insurance you pay for DOES cover it. The cost is borne by raising the premiums of people who don’t use the pill. The cost is still there. Insurance is not free. I know that Obama told you that stuff should be free. Now here is the truth: Stuff is not free, even if someone told you that.
Where have you seen someone express an inaccurate idea of how birth control pills work? I have been reading a lot of internet chatter, and everyone seems to have a full understanding of it. What you are not understanding is that I do not want to fund your sex life, your partner’s Viagra *cough cough*, or the dinner and movie the precede your encounter.
Willy – how apt. Did you parents think “Dick” was too subtle?
I know how insurance works – I was trying to explain to people that somehow think Sandra Fluke is having $3000 worth of sex, rather than explaining that $80 a month out of pocket for a prescription drug with medical value OTHER THAN FOR THE SEXY SEX can add up.
Yeah, I sure hate having my premiums raised for other people’s care. Let’s axe all the old people – the sick people – and the impotent limp dicks who need Viagra, like Rush Limbaugh on vacation.
Internet chatter! Heavens me! I was referencing Limbaugh’s various rants, wherein he seems to think that someone having “so much sex” can’t “afford” their pills. You take the pill daily whether you’re having sex or not, a little or a lot. Taking the pill doesn’t relate to the amount of boinkage, unlike say, Viagra.
I was also referencing some of the Internet chatter right here on this here durn page. Comment 1: “the fact is a woman who NEEDS $1,000 worth of birth control items to prevent her becoming pregnant is – in fact – a “slut”, a “slattern”. The word is related to a Norwegian term, “slott”, or “idler.”
First of all, “slott” means “castle” in Norwegian and “slut” means “end” but close enough.
Secondly, you NEED $1000 of birth control a year if you are on the pill to prevent becoming pregnant – or regulate your menstrual flow – or prevent cysts – or reduce your odds of cancer – regardless of how much sex is happening in or around your vagina.
So read the Internet chatter a little more closely, or at least listen to what Rush said, as you think about the lady parts and their sexy castle sex.
Ah, erudite explanations about sex, and name-calling from someone who cannot spell “Vas Deferens”.
“Rush and none of his loyal listeners seem to have the faintest idea of how birth control works.” If you can’t back up this assertion, then it’s time to close your mouth.
I never said I was unwilling to pay for the truly sick–what I am unwilling to fund someone’s sex life. If Ms. Fluke genuinely needs the pill for medical reasons, then I’m all for it. But that’s not what we are discussing here. And if you think that insurance is going to fund the prevention of every minute medical risk, then you’d better start assessing those costs instead of just talking out of your “Vas”.
You really want to pay for my bicycle helmet? My new car tires? My vitamin D? The repair of the crumbling bricks on my stairs? You need to grow up and take some responsibility for yourself, without passing the buck. Our culture would benefit as a whole if more people had some sense of personal responsibility.
Leftists like you always whine about starving children, but are happy to appropriate funds that might be used to alleviate hunger, just to make your life a little more convenient. Sanctimonious crap.
Hell, I can spell Vas Deferens when I actually bother to try – I can even find it, if you give me a Swiss Army Knife or perhaps a sharpened grapefruit spoon.
There are legitimate medical reasons for needing the pill – other than preventing pregnancy, which leads to some pretty sizsable medical costs itself, so I think you should appreciate the savings there.
Maybe if you’d seen or read Fluke’s testimony you’d know she wasn’t talking about wanton cum sluts with wide open holes who like them creampies and like it raw – she talked about a lesbian friend who developed a cyst the size of a tennis ball on her ovary. Also, the pill has well-known benefits in terms of regulating troublesome menstrual flow and preventing lady cancers, which are less extreme.
I’d like to know, Wily McPenis VanPhallusberg, why it is insurance should cover Viagra, Cialis or Levitra ever. I mean, it’s usually for old dudes who want to bang their post-menopausal wives in adjacent bath tubs, if I believe what the commercials tell me.
Rush, Viagra-taker, on the other hand, seems to think that Fluke was saying the women employed by Catholic organizations need the pill solely for sex – and because they are having “so much” of it. You take the pill once a day – not every time you want to have sex with a Dominican child hooker, you know.
Vas, you came here ostensibly because you were offended that Rush Limbaugh called someone a slut, as a matter of principle, I suppose. Then you ended up calling me a “dick” and making creepy references to mutilating me with a grapefruit spoon. More principles, I guess. On leftist blogs, I bet you’re one of those people who waxes poetic about “elevating the discourse.”
I, too, would like to know why insurance should EVER pay for Viagra. If you had read my comments, you would have already seen that. But you were too blinded by ignorance, hate and hypocrisy.
Ah, dearest free Willy. I didn’t condemn all name-calling, especially when it’s apt. I mean, you seem like a total dick from my interactions with you. But presumably Rush has not information on Ms. Fluke’s sex life so he can’t adequately determine her sluttiness.
I also couldn’t be compelled to get near your scrotum with a haz-mat suit and a ten-foot pole let alone wielding a grapefruit spoon. Why did you assume it was YOUR vas deferens? Do you need a vasectomy? Probably.
I was just saying I know my anatomy, and I know how the pill works which is more than I can say for Limbaugh himself. The pill can cost you $1000 a year if you’re a celibate virginal lesbian nun or a libidinous cock-hungry whore.
Vas, I’ve seen that you’ve learned well from your sisters and mothers how to play the shame game. Actually I’m surprised that you didn’t throw in a reference to his “little” Willy.
I sincerely hope that you are conscientious about using birth control for the sake of any possible offspring of yours. It’s a good bet that you’d be abusive to your sons and that you’d turn your daughters into misandrists just like you.
I’m not sure how relevant you being on the rag with a heavy flow is to this discussion but I do find the fact that you’ve brought up menstruation twice to be very interesting. Perhaps you thought that you’d make the men here uncomfortable with that topic.
Oh Ronnie, you just seemed SO interested in my uterus that I thought I’d share!
Don’t you like to think of the slippery bloody lining of my fecund uterus slipping out twixt my labia onto a cotton pad every 28 days? I mean, otherwise, why the hell do you care if I take the pill or not?
The Pill helps save me lots of money on unstained panties and super-plus tampons.
Although I suppose if the idea of VAGINAS!!!!! freaks you – or other men – out so much then maybe you should practice celibacy. Like the Catholic clergy that loves to tell me what to do with my ovaries.
And here we have Vas demonstrating for us exactly why some women are treated less than respectfully by some men. Not to mention the complete disconnect from reality that is seen only in delusional leftists.
Feminists are an embarrassment to real women. Vas is doubly so.
Dr. Helen, I am surprised you are having difficulty finding men to interview for your book. Perhaps Breitbart’s legacy will inspire men to be less fearful of consequences in pushing back against the gynocentrism that seems to have reign in USA these days.
I’m a libertarian leaning male who’d be happy to be an interview subject if you need it…
Seeing as how her interviews appear to be with men responding to a poll on her web site, the data gained is, to use the scientific term, horsepucky.
Well-said, Dr. Helen.
Rush Limbaugh is being bullied?!
What a pathetic load of nonsense; Limbaugh is finally getting his own back. He goes on for days hurling vile insults and lies about a young student and HE’S the victim?
And the best his sycophantic “dittohead” fans can do is whine about “leftists” like some child on the schoolyard….”but TEEEAACHHERRR!!! Billy did it TOOOOOooooooo!!!!!”
That’s all this post amounts to.
What’s with this “young student” nonsense? She’s 30 years old and a professional activist.
Good — and nicely revealing — grammar, “Doctor” H:
“I listened yesterday as Rush Limbaugh made his apology to Sandra Fluke with disgust and anger.”
So the disgust and anger is yours or Limbaugh’s?
Surely both, but I don’t think that that was the point you intended.
For someone so committed to those good ole American values of readin’, writin’, and rithmetic, you seem curiously oblivious to just what these are.
Time for some refresher courses, I’d say.
Rush pussificated! What a weenie!
For republicans “freedom” is freedom for companies to do whatever they want to you.
Like those big bad banks that offered you a loan you couldn’t pay back. They victimized you, man!!
So Rush Limbaugh, Rich White Man With A Big Radio Show, is so easily cowed by a law student who got 15 minutes of fame?
Dude, what a fat pasty pussy he must be.
Aww, someone is just getting angrier and angrier. Losing a number arguments in sequence will do that to even the finest love-filled liberal.
Love filled? Is that a euphemism for barebacking?
What level of cognitive dissonance must one maintain to elevate Rush Limbaugh, who was detained a few year back for an illegal Viagra prescription, to the level of some kind of arbiter of morality?
Also, I get the feeling that the author of this article did not understand Mean Girls. Which seems more apt for a movie about high school teens: repeatedly calling someone a ‘slut,’ and then giving a hilariously empty apology when caught by the powers that be, or defending the rights of women in front of Congress?
Now remember guys, though I’m sure you, like Limbaugh, will forget, insulting me personally probably feels great but says very little about my views. Here are a few facts that you are free to ignore:
Private plan, you wouldn’t pay a cent unless you happen to be on the Georgetown insurance plan, in which case ‘find a better one!’. Birth control is medicine, with uses beside contraceptive aid. How much one spends on birth control says nothing about how much sex one is actually having, much less how ‘promiscuous’ they are, although you’d think in this day and age that it was finally okay for women to have sex (and surely Rush thinks it’s okay for insurance to cover certain erectile dysfunction medicines..).
thank god that nobody’s hard earned insurance payments ever get doled out into the pharmaceutical care of fat narcotic addicts
Wow…the level of ignorance in the comments here is amazing. Is no one capable of understanding that a woman’s need for birth control does not vary depending on the number of partners she has? So a monogamous woman needs just as much as a so-called ‘slut’? Or does your eagerness to denounce women for having sex trump your ability to think?
On the other hand, I have no idea how you could spend $3,000 out of pocket for birth control alone…the pill costs maybe $500-600 a year (and probably saves money for the health plan, as pregnancy costs a whole lot more).
“I have no idea how you could spend $3,000 out of pocket…”
It is called a lie–it’s what you do when you don’t have solid ground to stand on. Imagine you are a law student at an elite university, preparing to earn a six-figure salary. You’d rather not pay $500 per year, or even the Walmart/Target price of $100 per year. Stuff should be “free” and there are more fun ways to spend your money–so how do you get someone else to pick up the tab? You exaggerate the cost to give the appearance of financial hardship.
Bottom line: I don’t want to pay for Ms. Fluke’s entertainment, regardless of the cost. If she has a legitimate medical need for birth control, I might be inclined to help her. But I would be more inclined to help someone who wasn’t a student at an elite university. She can borrow money now to buy her pills, and pay of the loan later.
She can live her life however she wants, and I couldn’t care less if she wants to sleep with the whole world, or be celibate and take birth controls just for the taste. For the record, I am in favor of legalized prostitution. But I do not feel an obligation to finance her choice.
I could use a bicycle helmet. It might prevent a serious head injury and it only costs $20. I don’t expect Ms. Fluke, Georgetown, or any taxpayer to pick up the tab for it.
MQ your level of ignorance is amazing. Are you not capable of understanding that a woman’s need for birth control depends entirely on her choices? Or does your eagerness to have others pay for your childbearing decisions trump your ability to think?
The fact that the pill and other birth-control options cost maybe $500-600 a year means that they are well worth spending some of your own money on if necessary, as pregnancy will cost you a whole lot more (and not just in cash).
(How very generous of you to want to save the “health plan” money!)
Calling a liberal woman a slut is redundant. One or the other suffice and both imply the other.
Did anyone read what Fluke actually said? Here it is (typos and all: http://www.whatthefolly.com/2012/02/23/transcript-sandra-fluke-testifies-on-why-women-should-be-allowed-access-to-contraception-and-reproductive-health-care/
So let Eli tell you exactly how stupid Limbaugh is: No slut, whore, what have you, uses birth control pills today to let them mess about. Why not? Have the clowns not heard about HIV?? Birth control pills are no barriers to HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases.
Birth control pills as birth control are used mostly by women in committed if not married relationships. They are also used to control the pain of menstruation and other conditions. In other words they are pharmaceuticals used to control biological functions. They are medicines. Health insurance covers medicines, and if you are lucky enough to be covered AND PAY FOR THE COVERAGE, it even covers some for others that you will never use.
This has been another dispiriting example of the takeover of conservatism by the unthinking.
I can only hope that comments that I find here by Dr. Hunt and her posse are publicized widely. They can only bring discredit on them and everything they stand for.
Would someone please tell Ms Fluke that she can easily eliminate her BC budget by closing the front door and opening the back.
–Proud Member of “Conservative For (Heterosexual) Anal Sex”!
I’m so glad u added (hetro) sadly your bible doesn’t make that distinction
Don’t want to be a Birth-Control Slut? Then only take it in the butt!
Virginity is Super-Duper! Good Girls take it in the Pooper!!!
Don’t want to be a Birth-Control Slut? Then only take it in the b*tt!
Virginity is Super-Duper! Good Girls take it in the P**per!!!
Oh man… people this has nothing to do with a woman having lots of sex.
1 if you are on the pill, the cost is the same per month if you have zero sex and if you do it everyday. How can u not comprehend that?
2 she was not talking about HER need for contraception but a friend (who was not having sex with men) and needed it to prevent her from losing an ovary
3 this is a private plan. There’s no $ coming from gov’t to pay for this
You’ve all decided to call a woman – telling us about expensive critical medicine her friend needs to keep her ovary – a slut. And you think this makes sense?!?! That was the Whole point of her testimony. Oral contraception has real uses beyond stopping getting pregnant. I’m sure their are celebite nuns who due to medical reasons are on the pill!,if they couldn’t afford it would you call them sluts?
And as to your whole point – mean girls use “verbal aggression to harm their target” … ummm every Rush fans knows that’s exactly what Rush does every single day all the time?!?! That’s his whole career. Now we can disagree about the substance of his beliefs and policy ideas but we surely must agree that is his exact style and it has been since day one.
And you seem to think expecting a person to “live up to their own book of rules” is some devious lefty trick…. what’s wrong with you? If this is his book of rules and he consistently ignores it year after year should that person not be called the hypocrite they are? this is what I hear from the right all the time. This very comment thread is full of “the left says this but does that”!
Georgetown University HR director of student insurance services stated to Scott Ott that the insurance plan will cover birth control as a medication, just not for contraceptive purpose.
At this point, whether or not Ms Fluke is a slut is irrelevant. She is, however, a liar.
http://bit.ly/yKDVuz
“…I recently had over 3200 men answer a poll about paternity fraud, but try to get just a few men to talk in person? That’s tough. And most are very concerned that their name will not be published. I don’t blame them. The mean girls are out in society in full force.”
And you think the same doesn’t apply to women? Rush took the low road to insult and slander a non-public person- based on his own assumptions and lies in order to increase his own profits. This is different from “mean girl” treatment how exactly?
Politicians are public figures, celebrities are public figures- we, and they, accept that their words and actions are held up to public scrutiny. A private citizen whose testimony centered on health care, not her personal sex life, does not- and should not- have to be concerned with verbal abuse from partisan celebrities. Rush makes big money off of bashing a private citizen. This is really okay with you guys? What if it had been you in his sights?
Only by exercising common courtesy can we reserve and respect each citizen’s right to speak. It doesn’t mean we have to agree with them.
You know, we’re all Americans here. Why are so many of you looking for enemies? MOST of us are living under huge financial stresses. This country needs all of us working together to improve things for ourselves and each other. Shouldn’t we be working to solve problems rather than create hate and fear?