So say several liberal Democrats who were there, to media, who were not allowed in. Gutsy…
President Obama “reinforced” his stance on the controversial contraception mandate while speaking at the Democrats’ annual retreat at Nationals Park in Washington, D.C. today, Senate Democrats said.
The retreat was closed to media.
Following President Obama’s speech at the retreat, a small group of Senate Democrats, mostly women, left the retreat early in order to hold a news conference on Capitol Hill to counter the Republicans’ news conference today at which they called for the mandate to be overturned.
Democrats said they will “fight strongly” to keep the mandate in place.
Well, other Democrats are joining the fight but on the other side, exposing the president’s party to the possibility of civil war going into primaries and the general election. Former DNC head and current Virginia Senate candidate Tim Kaine is not on board. Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia is not on board. He is teaming up with Sen. Marco Rubio to fight the mandate. Sen. Bob Casey, the pro-life Democrat who defeated Rick Santorum in 2006, is pushing back against the mandate. Former Rep. Kathy Dahlkemper of Pennsylvania now regrets voting to pass ObamaCare. Poor Bart Stupak, the pro-life Democrat who sold his vote for a bowl of empty Obama promises, says Obama could strip out the mandate if he wanted to. So…he just doesn’t want to.
What do most of these Democrats have in common, besides evidence of a conscience? They’re in states Obama needs in the fall. It’s the liberals in the states Obama already has in his pocket who are coming up with brilliant arguments about $600 a year being just too great a burden to pay for people to sustain their lifestyles. If that argument holds, we all should demand ObamaCare pay for our cell phones (since millions of Americans are already getting those paid for by the government) and cable bills. Hey, who are they to judge me for my chosen lifestyle of watching sports and the History Channel? If you listen to the progressive Democrats, living with your nuclear family in a home you’re actually paying for is now an alternate lifestyle.
The president is flirting with war in his own party, and does not seem to be responding to the normal democratic process here. He is violating the Constitution to satisfy a far left and very statist view on the role and authority of government, by taking a wrecking ball to the wall separating church and state. And if those liberal Democrats who support him are right, he’s not backing away any time soon.
There are an awful lot of Catholic Democrats here in Toledo. Don’t know if they’ll just stay home or vote Republican come November. And Toledo is a liberal part of Ohio. Dear Liar is pushing Ohio into the GOP camp.
The majority of lay Catholics support and use contraception. The decision by the Obama Administration is problematic only for the Catholic Church hierarchy. This is nothing new, bye the way. It has been like this for years and years. The bishops say one think and the flock does another. Too bad the bishops didn’t put as much energy into topics like child rape and pedophilia, real children that are already here and suffer as a result of what has been done to them, as opposed to saving potential children that are neither here or suffer.
http://publicreligion.org/research/2012/02/january-tracking-poll-2012/
Contraception perhaps, but not abortion.
I know nothing about the polling group you cite, but I do know that even catholics who make the individual choice to knq contrary to church dogma
RussellB, there are numerous studies that indicate that Catholic women have abortions in the same number (or even higher) as the general non-Catholic population.
Anonymous the polling group was recently cited in the Washington Post. If I remember correctly, Rush Limbaugh was talking about it on his show as proof of the big disconnect between the Catholic hierarchy and the laity. Just because a survey does not comport with what you already want to believe does not discount the information they present.
Cyn- Pls be cautious when citing that “98% catholics…” The Guttmacher report cited by Reuters is a very left leaning Planned Parenthood organization. There IS useful information there but be aware of the bias of the source. I think it is fairly clear that you have not read the study you are citing.
The 98% cited is a very narrow and limited reference point. To buy it, you’d have to believe that 98% of the Catholics in America were sexually active people of childbearing age. I can vouch that this isn’t the case in any parish I’ve ever attended.
Secondly, of course the Bishops should speak out against this as it goes against the moral teaching of 2000 of the Church establish by Jesus Christ (and considerably more earlier Judeo history and law). Just because a member of the laity sins, shouldn’t the pastors speak out against the sin? Just as they do when speaking for Charity and Justice? How many of us meet those high moral standards of Christ?
Frankly, neither you nor Obama have ANY right to cite this study as favorable reasons to impose the HHS mandate. If you believe it’s relevant, please tell us how?
Finally, your anti Catholicism is showing. If you would like to be taken serisouly, then leave your prejudice at the door.
That 98% figure is a lifetime figure- the number of Catholics who, according to the study, have EVER used contraception, not those who now do. Not having seen the study, I can’t say this for certain, but I doubt they excluded from their number women who became Catholic as adults and who, though they used contraception before their conversion, never once contracepted as Catholics.
Cynical Wonder, you and Flaming Liberal must be on the same talking point email list.
Indeed CW, here we have the Cynical Flaming Boot Licking Wonder – yet again.
Who might be up next in the rotation?
It doesn’t matter what the majority of Catholics do or don’t do. This is a clear and central tenet of the faith. Freedom of religion is in the Constitution and clearly trumps the right to have someone else pay for one’s birth control. It’s not even close.
People of all different kinds of faiths recognize that this is the essential problem. It’s not about birth control at all- it’s the separation of church and state.
Even those Catholics who disagree with the Pope about artificial birth control, may rightfully object to the government forcing Catholic individuals or institutions to provide birth control or abortion, or to buy insurance that pays for birth control or abortion. No, this is not hypocrisy; it’s respect for the freedom of conscience of their fellow citizens. I’m not even a Roman Catholic, and I do not believe that artificial birth control is always wrong. But I do believe that it is wrong to force someone else to provide birth control without regard to whether they can do so in good conscience.
Agreed. I’m one of those Catholics, and I guarantee that if the poll were rephrased to focus on the right of believers to practice their faith vs. a minor inconvenience on the part of others, the results would be quite different. We’re not even talking about providing birth control- we’re just talking about paying for it- which is an utterly trivial issue compared to freedom of religion.
“The majority of lay Catholics support and use contraception.”
It’s no wonder you’re cynical – it’s probably hard to navigate through life when you can’t reason.
No one cares about the sentence you posted, quoted above. No one at all, except for so-called “liberals” who misunderstand the Constitution and the meaning, and implications, of the concept of freedom. Contraception is not the issue. The issue is whether a person or group can be compelled to support a procedure or point of view the is contrary to their religious beliefs. No Catholic women, or women employed by Catholic agencies, are being denied access to contraceptives. None. They are free to follow their own consciences in that arena – and so are their employers. What part of freedom of religion is unclear to you?
“The majority of lay Catholics support and use contraception.”
so? the majority of americans were against the passing of obamacare but that didn’t stop them from doing it. they don’t care what the majority thinks unless it thinks in lock step with their agenda.
that is beside the fact that what the majority wants is not how our laws are made, that would be mobocracy not democracy
Fact: Most religious Americans use contraceptives.
Fact: Most religious Americans, be they liberal or conservative, do not want the federal government telling their churches, synagogues and mosques what to do or not do.
Biden and Daley tried to warn Obama about the political and constitutional firestorm he’d unleash by not exempting religious institutions from the contraceptive mandate. Now it’s too late.
Dear Cynical Wonder, I find your statement to be filled with cynicism. You said, “The majority of lay Catholics support and use contraception. The decision by the Obama Administration is problematic only for the Catholic Church hierarchy”..My friend, you are right about certain Catholics using contraception, but even for these catholics, having the state forcing a Church to violate its doctrine willy nilly is an affront to freedom to practice ones religion, period. Also,you said, “Too bad the bishops didn’t put as much energy into topics like child rape and pedophilia, real children that are already here and suffer as a result of what has been done to them, as opposed to saving potential children that are neither here or suffer.” WTF!!!!, The Catholic Church whether you like it or not has always been for helping the weak and poor throughout the world for two thousand years and continues to do good work for its fellow man, sorry you cynical person, those are the facts. Also, you seem to suggest that we should abort children so they wont suffer in this world…wow!!!, who are you, what hubris, what false charity on your part, sir, if I was you I would re-think that proposition.
‘Ever they shall rue the day,they ventured o’er the border”
~Men of Harlech~
I see very little evidence of conscience. What I see is fear, the fear of lost votes. There are no honest Democrats.
On that note, Catholic doctrine holds that contrition that results exclusively from the loss or threat of loss of worldly things does not constitute repentance. To be valid, contrition must arise out of love for God or at the very least fear of Hell.
I hear that American bishops are contemplating a massive march on Washington, using people and school kids bused in from all over to protest the law.
At least they’ve found a new use for school kids.
You mean like the Wisconsin union crowd? Pot calling the kettle black?
The bishops are entiteld to protest this awful dictate, a very fascist way of doing business form the democrats, sir, open you eyes cant you see the power grab coing from this presidency, cant you see, this malignancy coming from the white house will effect you too, open your eyes before you lose your freedom.
Unfortunately Obama may wait this out a bit, allow the republicans to make a major stand against his mandate on religious institutions, and then appear to back down. After all, his pro-choice supporters KNOW that more than any other goal they do not want a sincere opponent like Santorum to beat Obama, so they will tolerate any compromise Obama comes up with to avoid seeing Santorum win. And they know from experience just how much a promise from Obama is worth. So the game is set for Obama to think up a “compromise” that offers opponents nothing in the long run, but makes it hard from them to continue the attack. One such “concession” is obvious: the current mandate policy includes the one concession that the mandate does not take effect until 2013, conveniently after HIS election is over. He could easily extend this to 2017, leaving the issue to the next POTUS. His pro choice supporters (unlike most of the electorate) would know he could change this after the election, and how much political traction would there be for republicans over the threat of a mandate in 2017?
The totalitarians want to compel the Catholics to pay for abortions.
It is a violation of everything that America is.
It’s not only a violation of the letter of the Constitution, it is a violation of its spirit.
Why did the Pilgrim Fathers move here ?
To escape a State compelling them to live in a way they did not like.
Where do we go now ?
Without the spirit and the letter of the Constitution, this planet becomes a giant prison.
I am always impressed by your clarity of thought, moral judgment, and incisive comments, Sherab Zangpo.
The government has already ruled that Pharmacists must provide all medicines prescribed even if against their faith. Once all of the O’Care provisions are in effect, it is a small step to require them to perform Abortions against their wishes in the name of ‘access’. They did the same with requiring adoptions to same sex couples.
Another issue that is rearing its head is State’s Rights, as in there is almost no state’s rights left regarding health care.
What is very strange is the Administration threw this out just weeks after SCOTUS ruled 9-0 on Religious Freedom. SCOTUS hears the arguments this spring on O’Care, although Justices are supposed to be non-biased, they are human. This flagrant disregard for Constitutional rights exposes another serious flaw in the Act. That can tip the scales on the gray area, possibly shifting one or two justices.
I think Barry wanted to throw a MIA insult to the Justices, as “how dare they”
There is a Constitutional right to religion but not to free birth control. It seems that, when in doubt, the Constitutional right should prevail. Apparently not so with Obama. Second, to contain healthcare costs, wouldn’t it make sense to limit mandated coverage to necessary services and exclude 1) elective procedures, 2) lifestyle-related treatment, and 3) treatments without a scientific basis (not relevant here, but included for completeness). So, no elective plastic surgery, Viagra, birth control, or abortion. Having sex without wanting to get pregnant is a lifestyle issue; pregnancy is not a disease.
Finally, many folks are generally irritated by this overstepping of right, but I think this administration specifically misread the religious right. I think all religious people are outraged – not just Catholics – about this direct abridgment of religious rights. Obama and the secular left don’t understand that, to religious people, faith is the center of their lives. These liberals think religious people are “God fans”, just like some people are Green Bay Packer fans. Like Packer fans, they’re a little foreign, being mostly in “fly over” country. And yup, they go to church Sundays instead of Lambeau Field. Then there’s that whole cross thing – similar to the cheesehead thing.
Your first sentence hits the nail right on the head. I think that the Obama administration has truly blundered on this. If they really are digging in their heels on this one, they’ll pay. It’s not even just the Catholics who are up in arms, but a great many people of different faiths, because they understand that this is a threat to anyone who doesn’t worship at the altar of the state.
“…this is a threat to anyone who doesn’t worship at the altar of the state.”
Very true. I want less government in my life — not more.
I’ve always been for a woman’s right to have an abortion if she so chooses. I’ve never understood the conservative right — who want limited government — but also want the government to forbid a woman’s right to choose.
However, I believe in the Constitution and religious liberty. It seems unconscionable to me to force a Catholic hospitable to do what is contrary to what it believes — and then, to add insult to injury, to force it to pay for it.
This seems like just one more thing that makes ObamaCare unconstitutional.
It’s very simple- we believe in the right to life of every human being from conception to natural death, and that this right is forfeited only by violating another person’s right to life (and some of us reject even the just use of force). Furthermore, we believe that government exists to secure the rights of those incapable of defending them against unjust aggressors. Thus, we believe that abortion is murder, and that the state exists primarily to deter, prosecute and punish murder, and by extension lessor crimes against persons as well as crimes against property. It follows then that a government that refuses to prosecute and punish murder is not fulfilling its reason for existence.
Myth -
We’re never going to agree on this. I don’t think abortion is murder and never will.
However, I believe what you’re trying to do is to legislate morality and that is impossible. If you outlaw abortions you’ll just drive it underground, as it existed before abortions were legalized – wire hangers and all. If this were to happen, it would set not just women back, but every one of us back 50 years or so. What’s more, it doesn’t end the controversy because people will never stop fighting FOR abortions. I’m totally against inflicting my sense of justice/morality on you and I certainly don’t want your morality inflicted on me or my wife or my daughters.
What you’re advocating is political correctness from the right. This is equally as intolerable as PC from the left. And having heard this abortion controversy for the last 50 or so years, I’m sick of it. It’s ruined many smart Republicans from getting elected and may do so again by giving Santorum the nomination. Can we agree that Santorum or Paul would keep Obama in the WH?
With our economy and housing mkt in shambles, Chinese competition on all fronts, terrorism, Obama’s destruction of our military, the rise of Islamist extremists, and the lefty control of our MSM and schools — not to mention all the commie/socialist czars who Obama by-passed Congress to appoint — there are simply much bigger problems that need addressing than forcing a woman to have a baby that she doesn’t want.
Sorry Mike, but EVERY law regulates morality. That’s what laws are for, to tell people what’s right and wrong in a society and to punish them for choosing what’s wrong. The whole lib claim that “you can’t legislate morality” while they’re busy attempting to do exactly that is ludicrous.
Obama dug his own political grave, and jumped like a crazed lunatic into it. Hardest to believe of all, and still barely breathing politically, Obama is not trying to climb out of it. Seems comfortable. Appears to be asking Democrats and Republicans who believe in the Constitution, specifically its freedom of religion amendment, to fill up B. Hussein’s political hole with tons of dirt.
What is B. Hussein thinking? I think he thinks he’s going to find Saul Alinsky in there, too.
A perfect metaphor for Obama. The “dug his own grave” one. I think so. What do you think?
Your question may be aimed at Bryan, but as a person deeply involved in Catholic healthcare and education I’ll give you my two cents worth- this is God’s gift to the Republicans. If we can’t bury him with this issue, we don’t deserve to win.
There are a great many liberal people of faith- Catholic and non-Catholic- who have been conflicted over this Administration, but generally favor nanny state policies for the poor. He’s forced these people to choose.
The other group this strongly affect is Hispanics. If he gets in a fight with the Church, he can say “Adios” to quite a few of those voters.
It never ceases to amaze me that every time Obama does something so stupid
(think Operation Fast and Furious) he can’t possibly top it, he tops it.
And make no mistake, picking this fight with religious organizations as he
enters a very contentious re-election bid is just plain stupid. The ruling
won’t go in effect until August 2013 so why issue it now? If the Republican
Nominee wins the Presidency this decision will be reversed. It would have made
more sense for Obama to wait until after the election – then he could have
announced his decision and still have it take effect in August 2013. Why
create a political firestorm at this point in time?
It’s becoming clearer by the day that Obama isn’t really very bright.
Is it really a case of Obama not being too bright or is he actually sabotaging his chances to win reelection? For the reasons you cite above his act of picking this fight now is absolutely ludicrous beyond belief. There is little doubt in my mind that the day-to-day duties of the job as POTUS must be palling on Obama like nobody’s business. He allegedly still smokes & takes anti-depressive medications. It’s no mystery to anyone that Michelle does not enjoy being FLOTUS one bit. The only aspects of the position that seem to appeal to them are the ones that allow them to jetset it around to the most exclusive places in the world on frequent vacations.
From the beginning of this administration his critics have fallen into two camps. Those who believe him to be incompetent, over his head; and those who believe his “failures” are actually deliberately done to accomplish the socialism of which he is a true believer. Attacking individual rights isn’t the bug of socialism it is the feature. I can not imagine after this extreme attack on the First Amendment anyone can continue to deny the man is a committed to a socialist takeover of our government.
Why choose? Why not both incompetent AND evil?
If he were incompetent, we’d have less to fear from his being evil!
Kermudjin, I like your name.
” I think all religious people are outraged – not just Catholics – about this direct abridgment of religious rights.”
I am a solid atheist, and I am outraged. Every atheist I know is outraged. This goes deeper than religious rights. This is about forcing people to act against their conscience. If he gets away with this, what is next? No more conscientious objection for anything at all.
The guiding principle of the constitution as a whole is limited government. The guiding principle in the bill of rights is freedom of conscience. This isnt just an attack on religious freedom, or on the first amendment. This is an attack on the entire bill of rights.
I for one am glad he is digging his heels in. It shows him up for what he is and assures that he will lose in november.
We agree entirely. Interesting, the diversity of folks who are upset about this. An amazing misstep for a person the media has portrayed as a politician without equal. And as to my name – I do everything I can to live up to it
Obama drops the masque to reveal his inner Communist.
Obama knows one thing…
No one can critcize him without the full fury of the media coming down on them.
Valid accusations and the reality they represent, are simply too harsh to be considered. No one in their right mind would believe….
Bailots and cronyism:
“So, he ran for president to STEAL from us?
Sure, thats a rational point of view”
So tax cheats, lobyists, kickbacks and infuence peddling dont exist at all.
Gun Runner:
“your saying the PRESIDENT intentionally got innocent people killed to push GUN CONTROL?, Okey-Dokey, you Bitter Clinger”
So the issue simply does not exist.
Muslim appeasement and Israel bashing:
“right, because he’s a MUSLIM, isnt he…you biggot”
So CAIR, The Muslim Brotherhood, and domestic terrorism escape all scrutiny.
Abortion:
“yeah,yeah, he’s a baby killer, and he LIKES it…Nut-bar”
And this latest atrocity is carved into inevitable stone, forever.
The narrative is theirs.
Obama is beyond any “criticism”, because WHAT HE BELIEVES AND WHAT MOTIVATES HIM ARE RIGHT,
And peple who oppose him are, well, WRONG.
Scary conspiracy theory whack-jobs that think the President wants to “destroy the country”
This is the “official” correct and only position of all debate regarding him.
Forget anything you might think to the contrary.
Very well said. I suspect there are several more examples. The books “Radical-in-Chief”, “Culture of Corruption”, and “Injustice” taken together give a pretty good picture of who Obama is.
I understand the the administration over stepped on this one. However the reaction is mostly political theater resulting from the extremism we currently are experiencing in this country. The Church could have just have easily negotiated with Ms. Sebelius that they would rebate the average cost of contraception to its female employees at the end of each month. That way they are not paying for something they oppose in principal. Ms. Sebelius could have herself made the same offer. If we could let go of some of our knee-jerk reactions in this country, we might be able to make some progress. Everything does not have to be a battle between good and evil!
We Catholics have a conscience that can’t always be gotten around with political maneuvering you describe. You seem to suggest that Catholics should pretend to pay for abortions until the end of the month when they get their money back. With all due respect: that’s a dumb idea.
To elaborate: feigning a mortal sin for public appearances is still a mortal sin. If you pretend to commit evil to appease the government, you are publicly condoning evil, and thus committing scandal.
ggm,
I can see the principle behind your argument: “Everything is attached to everything else with rubber bands, therefore everything is adjustable by consensus among equally elastic-minded folks, and none of the issues discussed here deserve the respect of reasonable people”.
If you think that reasonableness is your exclusive privilege, everyone else on this thread is an idiot. Thanks for the compliment, dude!
You’re kidding, right?! This naked attack on separation of church and state cannot be resolved by a financial compromise.
The church leaders tried negotiation, and even won a personal assurance from the president. And then he turned right around and broke his promise.
This isn’t their fault, and they didn’t pick this fight. He did.
Yeah, I wonder how Sister Carol Keehan is feeling right about now. Sold out, I imagine.
There are many more Democrats who oppose this crime against humanity in general and against Catholics and other Christians in particular. Those Democrats are either too afraid or too cynical to speak up.
Come to think of it, I know a few atheists who oppose abortion.
Your comment about Obama’s disregard for the constitution and incessant imposition of his rigid leftwing ideology on the country, which his deliberate abuse of Catholics through these regulations represents, is just more of the REAL Obama – the kind of person that kept pushing his terribly flawed and economically hurtful Obamacare bill for over a year, despite public protests and numerous compromise offers, Obama would have none of it. Look for the same outcome here, he’ll refuse to hear the public, so he’ll get another “shellacking”‘ come November and then we’ll finally be rid of the tyrant in short pants.
It’s telling that Obama and his gang of radical democrats would so blatantly contradict the 1st amendment’s non interference clause – it puts his fascistic nature on stark display, which, try as they might, his sycophants in the press won’t be able to conceal.
Great stuff Bryan: “If that argument holds, we all should demand ObamaCare pay for our cell phones (since millions of Americans are already getting those paid for by the government) and cable bills. Hey, who are they to judge me for my chosen lifestyle of watching sports and the History Channel?”
Don’t forget the House and the apartment. All things being equal I would also like a boat and a snow machine, no make that a motorcycle Santa.
Who said there was hell to pay? Democrats will soon find out. Like the Catholic Church is right now and everybody else who ever got into bed with the “one”.
Obama is like his spiritual daddy: While he’s in bed with you, he’s robbing you blind and will eventually try to kill you, preferably by sucking all life out of you first. He doesn’t just want your money, he wants your soul, he wants your body, he wants your very thoughts, he wants to control what you eat, drink, drive, watch and listen to. He wants it all. Is it really a surprise anymore that these “people” are corrupt? ‘Oh they are just trying to do good’ ‘their just goody two shoes trying make things better for everyone’
Wake up from your dream! This is the way the wicked work. They are killers and they like their job. Don’t you get it? They hate America, they hate Christians, they hate Jews, they hate your freedom and liberty, they hate your guns and they think you’re stupid. This includes every living and breathing person. At the end of the day it can all be summed up like this: They hate the true Living God and it is Him they will have to reckon with.
Hey, if he wants to give out free money, why not offer to cover the entire cost of a prescription for high blood pressure. I am not of child bearing age, but my daughter is. Her BP meds – with insurance – are about $80 a month. Her blood pressure is of greater concern than an off chance pregnancy. I believe that may apply to a number of Americans. Could this possibly by discrimination that favors women of child bearing age, over people with chronic medical conditions of either sex, or who are older? Hmmm. I forget which groups or singled out for special treatment and which groups aren’t. It’s hard to keep up.
I find this whole idea to be absurd. People can have sex, and I can pay for their carelessness. Teenagers can have sex in the backseat of a car, and I can pay for it. Prostitutes can have sex in the backseat of a car, and I can pay for it. Mom and Dad can have sex in the front room of the house, and I can pay for it. Barry and Michelle can have… well, you get the idea, right.
But I ain’t gettin’ no satisfaction! But I’m paying nevertheless. This is absurd.
Totally absurd. You have to pay for Susie’s abortion, even though you find it abhorrent, because “freedom.” WTF.
The first time in a long time I’ve seen Catholics worked up about something, and during an election year. Hey, Mr. President, didn’t you get the memo that these people vote, too!
I don’t understand you people or your logic. This is not a free speech issue. No one is dictating how a church must behave. The government is merely advising that if you engage in a business that takes money from the government to provide health care, then you must meet certain guidelines. If you can’t meet those guidelines, get out of the business or stop taking government money! Imagine the outrage that would be frothing from you nutcases if a Muslim hospital declared that no pork would be served in the cafeteria and no crosses would be allowed on the premises. You folks don’t give a crap about religious freedom; you just want to impose Christian values on everyone else. Give it up.
No one said it’s a free speech issue, so that might be the origin of your confusion. It’s a freedom of religion issue. Your analogy to Muslim hospitals breaks down on several lines. One, Muslims in this country aren’t building hospitals in great numbers. Two, the problem wouldn’t arise from the Muslim hospital electing not to serve pork in the cafeteria. No one would care about that. People would care if the federal government came in and forced the Muslim hospital to serve pork at its own expense, or face fines severe enough that it might be forced to close its doors. Would you be for that?
Why or why not? Please show your work.
“No one said it’s a free speech issue….”
I think it is a free speech issue, as well as a religious one. My understanding is that this new amendment (or whatever it is) to ObamaCare would forbid counseling/speaking against abortion and/or the day-after pill.
So your argument is essentially that the religion with the most hospitals enjoys more freedom? Muslims just haven’t built enough hospitals to discriminate against patients? Pretty flimsy. The fact remains that any religious organization, be it Christian, Jewish, Muslim or Shinto that decides to get into the business of providing health care to its employees and takes federal dollars to do so must adhere to certain guidelines likeany other company doing the same. You seem to think that Churches should get special treatment in this regard.
I just had a wonderful thought. What if Obama really has gone off the rails, drunk with his own spectacular idea of himself. Perhaps, like Narcissus, he has stared so long at his beautiful reflection in the water below that has fallen madly in love with himself, will seek unification with that sparkling image, jump into that reflection, and drown.
Democrats outraged by Republican use of Democrat tactic Thursday, Feb 9, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxw4uZAezaI&feature=player_embedded
I love the idea that Obama might be stubborn on this and dig his heels in. However if past behavior is our guide, he’ll give this a week, throw someone under the bus and then get network time to make the greatest speech ever! on religion and the constitution. The MSM will swoon, lavish him with praise, and the masses will tune out. Oh wait, he’ll play the race card a few times too.
I am offended and energized. Obama’s gotta go.
“The Bishops Acted Stupidly”, Obama 2012
Maybe he can invite AB Dolan over for a beer summit?
It is indeed a freedom of religion issue (First Amendment) and a freedom of conscience issue. Even atheists like LaSuthenBoy picked up on that quickly. While evangelicals have theological differences with Catholics, they share many of the same values. Rick Warren, pastor of the megachurch Saddleback and author of The Purpose Driven Life, came out in support of Catholics and said he’d go to jail over it. Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention came out in support of Catholics as well. These two men will draw a large number of evangelicals with them in support of Catholics. The Orthodox bishops are in full support too. They know all too well that it could be them next. Let’s see Obama dig his heels in. It may not matter which lame candidate the Republicans manage to nominate if Obama has US Christians and atheists against him.
This to be expected from a BLT Marxist. It is government intrusion, and very New Age.
DaOne thinks the Founding Fathers were wrong. That should worry everyone that is a Nationalist American.
The next thing we will hear out of the Obama camp, is complaints about “predatory cell phone salespeople”! Those people who sell cellphones to unsuspecting people who can’t afford the roaming charges.
The so called “Christian” President has dropped the pants. Let’s face it gang. Obama is an anathema to both the Constitution and pure Christianity. Mandates and fiats, socialism lite (getting heavier) and infringements on the very 1st Amendment.
What Obama is, is a world class, pandering political phony. Obama’s real spiritualism is political expediency, being what ever he needs to be in the moment.
Obama and his spiritual mentor, Rev. “J” are no more Christian than the Ayatollah or Richard Dawkins. And being unencumbered without threat of reelection, I guarantee you a second term Caesar Obama would/will reveal his true self – delusions of grandeur, believing himself divine.
Just when I think B. Hussein can’t get any dumber politically, he goes and becomes the first President ever to launch such an all out attack on the first amendment via the Catholic church; and totally redeems himself.
I think he just wanted to make sure a (Santorum)catholic is nominated. Then he can bury santorum.
Nice guy, not a great candidate.
How can the Catholics be surprised? obama held up a bill in the Illinois legis the would insist a dr give help to a baby born alive of a “botched” abortion. They were putting these babies in a closet in the dark, to cry by themselves until they died.
May God have mercy on the rest of us for not shouting from the tree tops about this abomination, and for voting for obama.
Three days more of Democratic blooding and the most pitiful miscreant President in the history of the United States will fold his anti-Catholic tent.
well if only his mother felt the same way he did.
Maybe she did. Maybe she didn’t have easy access to birth control, or maybe her partner(s) wouldn’t wear raincoats. Maybe she would rather have had an abortion, although with her mother’s money and position it’s surprising she didn’t – unless she later thought she’d rather have a weapon to wield. It’s obvious Obama’s self-loathing is based in part on the fact that he was born to a woman who got “punished with a baby”, or at any rate, had very little time for him throughout her life, so busy was she pursuing her academic and ideological pursuits while being round-heeled around militant black men. That might explain why his attitudes regarding pregnancy and babies are so barbaric.
Interesting comment mamma, as she actually did – then she and Barak Sr. planned to give little Barry up to charity. Apparently someone persuaded her otherwise and we ended up with him.
“Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s”
ObamaClaus has a new version: “Nah, I’ll just take it all.”
How old were you when you learned that nothing is free. I’m guessing he’s got the Easter Bunny lined up to pay for this.
OBAMA’S ACCOMO-NOTHING ON CONTRACEPTIVE MANDATE LIKELY TO TURN CHURCH AGAINST OBAMACARE AND HIS REELECTION
Catholics (and all religious employers) who think that Obama retreated on and greatly altered his contraceptive mandate to accommodate them and the issue of religious liberty are fooling themselves. When the Church pays for its group plan it will be paying for all the covered immoral services that violate Church conscience and teaching. Obama, it seems, has lost his mind on this issue and is blindly and insanely obsessed on seeing the Church pay for these services one way or the other (directly or indirectly). This phony accommodation has only added insult to injury and will worsen things for Obama politically. Now Catholic Bishops who supported Obamacare will have no choice but to join with anti-Obamacare forces and fight for its repeal-and this treacherous president’s defeat on Election Day.
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“Sen. Bob Casey, the pro-life Democrat…”
You lie!
“Poor Bart Stupak, the pro-life Democrat who sold his vote for a bowl of empty Obama promises…”
See above comment, and this: Pro-life is as pro-life does.
Skewed Liberal Perspectives
We all have opinions. Some of us like white meat, others dark. Some of us lean Republican, others Democrat. Some of us prefer the ocean, others the mountains. Some of us make sense, others don’t.
Few of us have huge forums on which to share our opinions, and influence, millions.
Four liberals, four of legions who spew illiberal deception, MSNBC’s Martin Bashir, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, singer Tony Bennett, and Democrat Rep. Jan Schakowski do have bully pulpits and use them to articulate some of the most cockamamie views imaginable and many people believe them.
For example, Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum isn’t the perfect candidate for the office of the presidency of the United States of America–and who is?–but is he in any way comparable to the murderous dictator of the U.S.S.R., Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, or to George Orwell’s Big Brother?
Martin Bashir, a Brit of Pakistani origin with the temerity to attack Americans, thinks so.
Democrat President Franklin Delano Roosevelt regarded Stalin as a good buddy, “Uncle Joe,” despite Stalin’s record as as a mass murderer of millions, and Bashir considers Sen. Santorum as little different.
Betraying his leftist intolerance of conservative opinions on homosexuality and ignoring Obama’s efforts to deny Americans’ freedom of religion, the MSNBC anchor accused Santorum of being a totalitarian along the lines of Stalin and Big Brother.
Bashir suggested Santorum was acting like a theocrat and like Orwell’s Big Brother in 1984 by opposing the president’s Obamacare initiatives. Ironically, Bashir had earlier warned Newt Gingrich to stop using hateful language “before someone gets killed.”
Talk about hateful!
Sorry, Martin, if anyone is acting like a totalitarian despot and being hateful, it’s President Obama who has shown as total contempt for our Constitution and nation as you do. Pakistan International Airlines has daily flights to Islamabad. Consider hopping one.
No stranger to bizarre views and statements, Nancy Pelosi has expressed similarly peculiar sentiments concerning everything from the legislative process to ousted Obama “green czar,” Van Jones, and to the anarchistic Occupy movement. . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=13207.)