Ron Paul: Bush Admin was ‘Gleeful’ Because of 9-11
Repulsive, and wrong.
Paul’s resilient strength in the polls is one of the more disturbing sidebars in the GOP primary. He has a few good ideas on economics, but in no way do those make up for his foreign policy. He discounts entirely the role that beliefs and ideologies play in our enemies’ thinking and ambitions. He constantly blames US foreign policy for 9-11, putting him in the same league as Ward Churchill and Rev. Jeremiah Wright, possibly even to the left of Dennis Kucinich. Paul is not even being honest about his true beliefs concerning 9-11, that moment of “glee” he describes above. Pay close attention to how he answered this question about 9-11 just a few weeks ago.
K: Okay and one last thing why won’t you come out about the truth about 9/11?
Paul: Because I can’t handle the controversy, I have the IMF the Federal Reserve to deal with, the IRS to deal with because no because I just have more-too many things on my plate. Because I just have too much to do.
The man is a Truther, but he won’t admit it because he knows it would sink his presidential run.
This is the “only man who can save America?”
No sane person should vote for RP
He’s not a really a libertarian or a republican and somehow manages to find the worst of both.
For once, we agree.
I think truthers are stupid. But it is not because I doubt the possibility (I do BTW). The reason I think they are stupid is because that is all they seem to focus on. They are stupid because THEY ARE SHORT SIGHTED. It is the same with birthers. I do not think that Paul is stupid because of all the other crap he is focused on getting rid of in our wasteful gov’t. You people sound ridiculous. You sound like people who won’t vote for a presidential candidate because they (for example) eat their toenails but are perfect in every other way. In other words: SHORT SIGHTED.
Really? You won’t vote for a man who:
WILL bring our troops home
WILL bring the money back to the US
WILL let the states decide how to handle their own affairs (immigration, marriage, healthcare…)
WILL protect the Constitution
WILL try to talk us out of a war instead of pulling us in chains into one
WILL help to bring us economic and personal liberty
You could blast this message to every RP supporter and they won’t care. That is because they are NOT idiots and they understand that he is not perfect. He is just the biggest freedom fighter on the stage right now.
And besides, his thoughts on 9/11 have nothing to do with me if he is elected. But you know what, if he does cut 1 trill from the budget and he wants to take a couple mill to run an investigation…
a) that is a net gain
b) it will shut up the truthers (hopefully)
So who is the moron? The RP supporter or you people who obviously will choose the gov’t to make all of your personal or economic decisions for you. Go ahead with your big gov’t candidate (that’s all that is left besides Gary Johnson). I and all the other RP supporters will either not vote or vote libertarian.
That is another thing. To the moron who said that Paul is not a real libertarian… really? He is the most libertarian guy on the stage and he is certainly more libertarian than the ones who would rather vote for Newt Mitt or any of the cronies up their on the stage. Said morons. Take it or leave it, I am out. Thank you for your time.
Ron paul is the idiot and based on your ideological nonsense…so are you. Nothing will stop trthers they will claim the another warren comission. Ron paul is a racist twit
I agree with this conspiracy that Paul secretly believes in 9/11 “Truth” but runs interference to keep us from finding out.
Wait! Maybe this article is ALSO a conspiracy… And maybe… maybe I’m part of yet another conspiracy to make this conspiracy about a conspiracy look like a conspiracy.
Conspiracy!
First of all, let’s define “truther.”
A “truther” is not someone who believes that our administration sponsored 9/11, any more than a feminist is someone who believes men are evil. Truthers suspect that something about the official story is fishy. That’s as far as most ever go.
There do exist the conspiracy theorists who say it was Bush, or Cheney, or the Project for the New American Century guys that all ended up in power right before 9/11–but they’re by far the minority. The architects and engineers who say the official story cannot be true are not conspiracy theorists; they’re honest, concerned citizens.
And, as Paul Craig Roberts points out, people who do buy the official story are themselves conspiracy theorists, believing that 18 men outwitted NORAD, planes full of passengers with literally nothing to lose, the airport security system, and the international intelligence community.
I’m a conservative, not a reactionary.
I do *NOT* agree with Ron Paul that the Federal Reserve should be abolished and we should all go back to the gold standard. (We had a 25 year long economic depression in the 19th century under that economic regime.)
I do *NOT* agree with Ron Paul that the U.S. military should come home from all over the world while we attempt to cower inside Fortress America. (The advent of long-range jet planes and ballistic missiles has rendered that idea totally obsolete.)
Anyone who thinks the that the 19th century was some kind of economic Golden Age is a deluded romantic.
Ron Paul’s ideas are dangerously extremist, even apart from this issue of those newsletters he had published.
Can we at least agree that you most likely do not know enough about the issue of the Federal Reserve to really have an opinion that matters? Can we also agree that you are most-likely a dim-witted twit whose momma lied to you by saying you were intelligent and hard-working when you probably have had trust fund handouts your whole life and never really earned anything that you have received?
What 25 year long depression? That sounds pretty serious, if its longer than the Great Depression the Federal Reserve caused. Or do you mean 25 years of DEFLATION, which is a good thing in general, as shit becomes cheaper.
“I do *NOT* agree with Ron Paul that the U.S. military should come home from all over the world while we attempt to cower inside Fortress America. (The advent of long-range jet planes and ballistic missiles has rendered that idea totally obsolete.)”
Missile defenses do exist, and we have our own planes and ships that can patrol for any jets that are spotted on our long range radar that are not passenger planes. The idea that new tech has made defending Americans instead of forcing our will on the “bad” nations obsolete is ludicrous.
The “moron” is the one who believes in the false premise.
“WILL bring our troops home
WILL bring the money back to the US
WILL let the states decide how to handle their own affairs (immigration, marriage, healthcare…)
WILL protect the Constitution
WILL try to talk us out of a war instead of pulling us in chains into one
WILL help to bring us economic and personal liberty”
The troops should not come home.
The money should not come back.
Obama and RP are not truly concerned about states rights or the constitution.
War is necessary and proper.
War leads to economic and personal liberty.
To: Mike-
There are two insurmountable problems with Libertarianism.
1. The concepts of freedom, liberty and free enterprise are not defined or recognized the same by all. Ron Paul (and you too, I presume) has a specific understanding of these in mind, and gives examples of his versions that are specific and consistent. Is Libertarianism what Ron Paul says it is, or what you say it is? Is Libertarianism whatever one thinks it is? If the latter, then obviously there are many definitions that would apply in determining policy. How does that square with an administration that must, by constitutional edict, create, manage and control policy?
2. Libertarianism assumes that we are all willing to think and act in concert. This may seem to be another way to express problem #1, but it’s quite different actually. We the people must want to be governed and led as a starting point. Imbedded in that desire are any number of denominators that we have come to rely on as satisfactory/reliable though none of us expects his/her preferences will ever unanimously apply. This is natural and accepting of the fact that there are many of us and each is different. Libertarianism cannot be functionally applied in that obvious and unalterable context.
Libertarianism is, definitively and functionally, an ideology with explicit definitions and applications. When Ron Paul said that “freedom” requires that a very ill person who had decided not to have health insurance should die rather than be aided societally he meant it literally. He emphasized his comment by adding that “people have to understand that that’s what freedom is.” (direct quote)
There are not 5 in 100 Americans who would accept his example when push came to shove. It is so far from our cultural experience, I find it upsetting that a candidate running for POTUS would espouse it.
Free markets work best with minimal or no regulation, says Ron Paul. No they don’t! There are a multitude of examples that prove the claim is false, and we can all cite a bunch of them.
There are other points I could make. None would alter your view, or Ron Paul’s, an iota. But to more objective observers of American culture they are obvious and unalterable. If you are married with children I suggest that you employ Libertarian techniques within your own household, say, for one month. You will quickly learn the inapplicability of such utopian fantasy.
“There are two insurmountable problems with Libertarianism.”
No, there really aren’t.
“The concepts of freedom, liberty and free enterprise are not defined or recognized the same by all. Ron Paul (and you too, I presume) has a specific understanding of these in mind, and gives examples of his versions that are specific and consistent. Is Libertarianism what Ron Paul says it is, or what you say it is? Is Libertarianism whatever one thinks it is? If the latter, then obviously there are many definitions that would apply in determining policy. How does that square with an administration that must, by constitutional edict, create, manage and control policy?”
Libertarianism isn’t just “liberty”. It is explicitly defined by the non-aggression principle – that no one, not even government, can use force FIRST. Thus, the rightness of any situation where force is used, whether the force of violence, fraud or threats of violence, can be determined from what initiated the violence. Thus, murder, as a violent act, should be illegal – but using drugs, as inherently non-violent, should be legal. It’s a very simple idea.
“Libertarianism assumes that we are all willing to think and act in concert.”
No, no it does not. And here you indicate that you have no idea what libertarianism actually is. What’s next – you saying its just like fascism or Communism? It assumes the EXACT OPPOSITE – that people are individuals that are all different. It then says they should only be limited to prevent intentional harming of another individual, and be required to rectify any unintentional harm (as determined by an unbiased court or mediator).
[quote]When Ron Paul said that “freedom” requires that a very ill person who had decided not to have health insurance should die rather than be aided societally he meant it literally. He emphasized his comment by adding that “people have to understand that that’s what freedom is.” (direct quote)[/quote]
Way out of context quote. What he claimed was that without government to negate the consequences of risk you have a moral hazard. Further, he claimed that without government healthcare, doctors would provide free medical care to those in need – this is not an errant claim, as he IS a doctor, and DID EXACTLY THAT for many of his patients.
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Free markets work best with minimal or no regulation, says Ron Paul. No they don’t! There are a multitude of examples that prove the claim is false, and we can all cite a bunch of them.[/quote]
And I could argue that these examples are nonsense. That correct economic theory shows that regulation provides no protection from bad actors (like Madoff) and only prevents small companies from starting to compete with the big corporations people love to hate (and thereby lower prices overall.)
[quote]If you are married with children I suggest that you employ Libertarian techniques within your own household, say, for one month. You will quickly learn the inapplicability of such utopian fantasy.[/quote]
A) Not a utopian fantasy – no one believes that it is a perfect system, just the best option allowing for liberty and human self-governance.
B) Comparing children to adults is nonsensical. The principles of governance are to determine what I, as an adult citizen, are allowed to do – not what your kids can do. Thus, implementing Libertarian techniques “within my household” would mean letting my wife do what she wants, provided it does not include intentionally hurting me or my kids. I’m willing to bet that, provided you don’t beat your wife (a violation of libertarian ideals) you do this everyday – that you don’t have a list of rules your wife is forced to follow against her will. That, at most, you get her to do what you (and she you) want through persuasion through reason and emotion, not force. Why, then, can this ideal not work on a societal level, with the common use of government force relegated to the dustbin of history.
The election of Ron Paul would signal the end of Israel. Paul is an antisemite in the same class as Jimmy Carter. Paul also has said that the US should never have gone to war against Hitler. Let’s suppose for a just a moment that we didn’t. England and Russia was all that was between Hitler and control control of Europe. Once he finished them off (which he would have done without US war machines to England and our troops) he could then build up a large naval force and attacked us here. Under Paul, we would not have enough military to fight off the onslaught for long and we too would have been defeated.
As one commenter said there are not enough crazies to elect Paul, but is that true? Nope. Obama got elected didn’t he? And many fools……………er I mean voters will vote for him again.
I am a United States citizen, I do not vote for my representative based on whether it is good for Israel or not. I vote on what is good for the United States.
If all you care about is Israel, go there and live.
You really think the Islamic empire will be satiated by a speck of land the size of NJ?
You think betraying any ally will make us safer?
What does that say to the rest of our allies?
We can’t wish the world away. We can’t hide under our beds. If anyone is a true advocate of liberty, they must resist the great totalitarian threat of our time.
There’s no liberty under totalitarian Islam.
Hitler had lost the war the day he invaded the Soviet Union.
That is only true because he had the western front to deal with at the same time.
Read some history. Start with the wikipedia article on the 6 day war. Israel is more than capable of defending herself.
Yes i agree, you should read your history.. the only reason they were not wiped of the map was due to Nixon <–just a reminder, that was a US PRESIDENT …
He sent badly need supplies to them..
http://blog.nixonfoundation.org/2010/10/how-richard-nixon-saved-israel/
Jeeze get a clue
The 6 day war I referenced happened in 1967 when LBJ was president.
A war in which Israel fired the first shot I might add.
You are talking about the Yom Kippur war, in which we did send a lot of equipment, most of which arrived after the cease fire.
The main point is, Israel has an effective military and a nuclear arsenal and is more than capable of defending herself in today’s global enviornment.
If Israel wants to go to war with the mideast be my guest. They just need to do it on their own and without our foreign aid. The USA does not need to be fighting and dying to protect Israel’s interests. Why are we sending any country foreign aid when we are running trillion plus dollar deficits and are nearing 15 trillion in debt?
Why did we go to war with Iraq when they posed no national security threat to the US? Why are we now pusing towards military action in Iran when they don’t even have enough gasoline to run their vehicles? Why are we worried about Iran having a nuke but sending Pakistan billions of dollars? Why did we support Musharraf, a military dictator in Pakistan while we went to war with Iraq to spread democracy? Why are we concerned with the religious freedom in Iran but we are allies with Saudi Arabia, where preaching Christianity can bring a death sentence?
Have you ever even considered these questions or are you too busy remembering the fine days of Kissinger the joint US/Israeli citizen war criminal?
@”Rife”:
Wait a minute! Kissinger was a joint US/Israeli citizen? (I am.) How? He was born and grew up in Fuerth, Germany, then lived in the the German Orthodox community in Washington Heights. (I always felt sorry for his parents, nice Orthodox Jewish couple.) Did he become an Israeli citizen somewhere in the middle?
Kissinger was widely recognized by those who had some idea what was going on as horrible for Israel. He retroactively took the Yom Kippur War victory away from them.
But he was not a war criminal. You sound both anti-semitic and anti-American. VietNam was a good cause that failed. Maybe you should post at HuffPo.
wikipedia? Please. Anyone can post “facts” on wiki
Its weird how the racist and the anti-semites are the ones slinging the racist mud at others? How much longer can we tolerate the ignorance of those who refuse to really think for themselves but insist on standing in the way by trying to take an illogical moral high ground when slamming Ron Paul, the most honest and consistent candidate anyone has ever had a chance of voting for.
You don’t think Israel can survive without our help? You think they are dependent upon us for their survival? You don’t have a whole lot of faith the Jewish people. I think you’re an anti-semite.
Hmmm, so the author of this article has created a conspiracy that someone believes in another conspiracy and doesn’t want everyone to know what’s *really* going on.
Josh,
We’re all supposed to just take your word that no “sane” person should vote for RP?
You can’t even put forth reasons why we shouldn’t vote for RP? No discussion of where you think he is wrong on his policies on economic and foreign affairs?
Your opinion doesn’t mean squat, unless you back it up with facts.
Agreed. RP reminds me of Lyndon LaRouche, a nutjob if ever there was one. For a long time, that’s what I thought of when I thought of “Libertarian”. I hope this particular nutjob puts the country’s need to be rid of Obama ahead of his own delusions of grandeur and declines to run as a third party spoiler when he doesn’t get the GOP nomination. Same with Trump, though that’s another story.
RP…the crazy uncle in the attic
Anyone who thinks Ron Paul is wrong should see what happened to Great Brittan in the 70’s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-ijEMowgZg
I could spend time explaining how rediculous it is to equate Al Qaeda and similar groups with the IRA or I could go buy delicious pork buns for breakfast.
mmm pork buns.
How are they different?
The IRA was fighting for independence of, and domination of, a nation. Islamists are fighting to dominate the entire world.
I disagree. The reason Islamists are fighting us is because of foreign occupation.
Dr Robert Pape has done an extensive study on suicide bombing, covering hundreds of incidents – the data shows that the main reason for suicide bombing is foreign occupation. Check out the study at the link, it is very enlightening:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4HnIyClHEM
Agree with your sentiments, Josh, but the word is “ridiculous”, with an “i’.
They hate US simply because we exist…
Simply look how they treat ALL non muslims in the Mid East… Slowly but surely they are purging them from their ranks, and yet they state they are tolerant. See Lebanon for a perfect example of that ‘tolerance’
I suppose the kook Ron Paul suggest they kill their own countrymen because we are doing something they do not like??
All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing…
They hate the US because:
1. Our country is based on Western, aka Judeo-Christian values
2. They have been trying to eradicate the Jews in Israel for at least 100 years.
3. On the day the UN voted to partition the region into a Jewish state and a Palestinian/Arab state, with Jerusalem as an international city, the Arab states surrounding Israel (Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Trans-Jordan) declared war to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. They have never ceased trying.
4. The US, after some initial cowardice by Truman, has been Israel’s only consistent ally.
5. Unlike Britain, the US hasn’t spent the last century appeasing and capitulating to the Arab terrorist threats, with the exception of Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama.
Occupation is just one more flimsy excuse for the Arabs, esp. Muslim Arabs, to do what they like best: slaughter and enslave.
The older a Crazy Uncle gets, the crazier he gets.
well said
I consider myself a small “L” libertarian, and Ron Paul in no way represents me. I find his flirting with the Truthers contemptible and his foreign policy impossibly naive. The man is a whack job who shouldn’t have a place in serious discussions about anything, let alone be considered a serious contender for the White House.
On top of that, although it is infrequently mentioned, his newsletter was filled with racist rants about blacks and anti-Semetic smears against Jews – written by Ron Paul himself. Of course, these days he denies having written them. But they were under his bi-line, and members of his own family edited the newsletter.
Hell, I’d rather vote for Obama than Ron Paul.
Well said. Paul and his minions are more descended from the Old Right and the anarchist thought of Murray Rothbard than the libertarian thinking of Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell.
If you’re going to advise us to not vote for Ron Paul, perhaps you could come up with some reasons that we might care about, like his economic or foreign policies.
Who cares about some 20 year old newsletters? This country has much bigger problems like our screwed up economy.
I will vote for the person who I think will enact policies that will benefit our economy, after all, isn’t your job more important than some old newsletters?
Reply to David T who writes: “Who cares about some 20 year old newsletters?”
So…life in the moment, David? That’s all that matters when considering a presidential candidate? What a candidate says, today, in the throes of a political campaign, is all that matters? That’s your criteria?
You must be a young man, David, with lots to learn. Who we are, David, is a compilation of who we were. We cannot simply cut out and throw away our thinking and firmly stated beliefs of twenty years ago, or ten years ago, or five, and say it doesn’t count. It does count!
Twenty years ago Ron Paul was 56. That’s an age reached after much experience and thinking, and thousands of conclusions drawn. Sure, he may have altered his thinking somewhat over the succeeding 20 years. But by how much? Racism and bigotry are traits not acquired overnight. And they are not easily modified, let alone discarded after so long held.
You have some learning to do, sonny. Better stay off these websites and get to it.
Gramps,
I’ve read a lot about Ron Paul, and I do not believe that he is a racist. I will not change my opinion based on some 20 year old newsletters that he didn’t write. I don’t think that if RP were elected President, we would go back to the old “Jim Crow” days, do you?
What is most important to me are Ron Paul’s positions on the economy and foreign affairs.
Funny I would rather vote for Obama than any of the other remaining wishy washy leftists or religious whack jobs remaining in the republican primaries. I hope Paul runs as an independent just to see Obama win and watch the neocons tiny brains explode.
This reminds me of the last time he ran. I was working an overnight shift downtown here, and at something like 10:30-11PM that evening, I went outside for a break. It was snowing, sleeting, freezing rain on a Sunday evening, and no one was out.
And down a main street comes a hundred or so of Paul’s supporters, chanting, “Ron…PAUL…Ron…PAUL…”
And all I could think is, “there is no one to see you or care. If this is the level of common sense within Paul’s organization, I want nothing to do with them…or him.”
Time has not convinced me to change that.
You saw them, didn’t you? Are you calling yourself a nobody?
I’m sure you are right that NOBODY saw them, you ubiquitous man, you.
He’s the head of a cult. It’s embarrassing.
The fact that he is right about a lot of economic issues is irrelevant. Everybody is right about something.
I submit that the state of our economy is the foremost issue of the day. So if RP is right about the economy, we should elect him.
I, for one, think that my continued employment is a hell of a lot more important than, well, anything else.
Trouble is, in general, it’s the economy that he’s wrong about. His “economic freedom” means more freedom for big business and the wealthy through trickle-down economics. Real economic freedom means to regulate and tax those big boys with the economic and political power. Does Ron Paul favor that?
Eric,
Do you really believe that “Real economic freedom means to regulate and tax those big boys with the economic and political power?”
Real economic freedom means that the big boys are allowed to fail when they screw up, as in the TBTF banks – Ron Paul is in favor of that.
Bryan – hat tip to you for calling out Paul and his supporters. There is, unfortunatly, a signifigant minority within the Conservative movement (even one columnist on PJM) who pander to and apparently believe in the whole “black helicopter meme”.
Just like the OWS protesters, the Ron Paul supporters need to have their parents come pick them up and put them in deprogramming.
Back in the 70′s and 80′s there was a guy named David Duke who billed himself as a Republican and had a following of White Supremacists. The Republican Party got rid of him. Can’t we do the same with Paul?
So your take is that the official story behind a major public catastrophe is complete and accurate? For the first and only time since WWII?
I’m no “truther,” but I’m curious. We know fairly well that 9/11 was done by Al Queda through Saudi agents. As an indirect but inevitable result, we invaded Saudi Arabia’s worst enemy, Iraq. In trying to figure out why, I intend to follow a maxim my father taught me: Follow the money.
“In trying to figure out why, I intend to follow a maxim my father taught me: Follow the money.”
Then in following the money you’ll see it all flowed to bin Laden, controlled by his hands and directed by his will. Bin Laden was not operating from Saudi Arabia, nor at the behest of it’s government, but instead as it’s avowed enemy and from the foreign soil of Afghanistan which we invaded even more quickly than we did Iraq. Saudi Arabia is a valuable ally against Iran, the first and greatest enemy we have in the Gulf region.
It is true the war against islamism will not be won until people of any religious stripe are free to go to Mecca and proselytize without interference, but that will most likely be at the end of what will necessarily be a longer war.
You ought to follow a maxim that served me well: Do your homework.
The reason we invaded Iraq is that the Bush Administration had believed Saddam Hussein to be a much bigger terrorist threat to America than he turned out to be. Men like Paul Wolfowitz had gotten this idea, not from the FBI or CIA, but from independent analysts whom they trusted (and whom the FBI and CIA did not.)
You may find the following history helpful:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0312.bergen.html
Few Americans have heard of Laurie Mylroie. But I did. Way back in the 1990s during the Clinton Administration, she was making the talk-show circuit trying to drum up support for her contention that Saddam had been the mastermind behind the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993. And she went much further. Not only did she disagree that Osama bin Laden was behind that attack, she claimed that the Clinton Administration had fabricated that claim as an excuse to avoid blaming Saddam for it.
Mylroie managed to sell Wolfowitz and Richard Perle on this idea.
So that when 9-11 happened, these folks thought that Saddam must have had a part in that attack as well.
The Washington Monthly? The Voice of the Monarchy of Saudi Arabia (Geo. Washington is spinning in his grave), the former ambassadors they bought and paid for (literally, and on the record), and the old-line elitist, Arabist, anti-semitic State Department, the most consistently unamerican part of the Federal government.
You are actually incorrect, as many people are concerning the war in Iraq. We had previously tried containment with Iraq with limited success. When 9/11 occured it changed the playing field. If terrorists trained in Afghanistan could infultrate our susceptible airline system armed with boxcutters could pull off that attrocity, what could someone like Saddam do? he had more recources than Bin Laden, and had a history of supporting terrorism. Vladimir Putin also had intelligence that Saddam was inspired by 9/11 and planned his own terrorist attacks on US soil. (Search it out, even CNN reported this.)
As for 9/11 truthers and conspiracists, they believe for example that it was a missle that hit the pentagon, even though there were millions of witnesses in Washington who saw that it was a jetliner. They also for some reason thought that there had to be explosives in the trade towers in order for them to fall straight down. That is assinine, not sure what they would expect, for them to fall over like a tree? They also believe that the heat from the planes were not hot enough to ‘melt’ the steel and make the buildings collapse. First the steel didn’t have to melt, it had to be weakened and secondly the pins that hold the steel beams together are not as strong as the beams themselves.
When it comes to the policy concerning hardline islamists, it is their goal that all be converted or destroyed. It just doesn’t work to pull back and hide in your room, they will eventually come to you. I would rather fight the inevitible war over there than here. And if history has taught us anything, we need our allies and they need us. Ron Paul’s policy is a death sentence for the United States, he is a looney old nutjob.
– the Paulist neighbor disassociated from this remark. Wish the son would have a talk with the father.
follow the money… and now America’s middle class is being bankrupted by the banksters. Hmmm wonder if THAT has something to do with it. Aaron Russo may have been right after all, America has been moving from freedom to fascism at the hands of Rockefellers and related parties just as Germany did a few generations ago. http://youtu.be/LZjKKUEHTKk Ron Paul is fighting as an unlikely revolutionary hero to take America back from these banksters and prevent the next devastating war. I know many of you are asleep and/or do not want to believe all this. I know it is hard to accept and those who control the game know this. J. Edgar Hoover said: “The individual is handy-capped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”
Well it didn’t take the establishment long. After months of ignoring Ron Paul, now they have realized he actually does have support and is going to do quite well in the primary.
Now what do we get? He is a racist! He is a homophobe! He is a truther!
Don’t you morons see that Ron Paul is a threat to the existing power structure? Romney, Gingrich, Obama, they are more or less the same. Sure, they differ a little bit on the outsides, disagree on issues to keep the public arguing with each other but they all support the Federal Reserve, they are all in favor of America being the world police and they will all continue to chip away at our civil liberties and our basic freedoms. Obama and Romgrich are 2 sides of the same coin.
Ron Paul represents real, substantial, fundamental change and that is threatening the existing power structure and that is why we are getting desparate, pathetic hatchet jobs like this column.
Wake up people.
Rife Madson, Ron Paul is a loony. Anyone who supports must have a screw loose in his head. A lot of people are mistaken about him because he is OK on fiscal policy matters. On anything else he is quite a an extreme individual. He would be dangerous as the President, perhaps even more dangerous than Obama.
Fan, you are an idiot. All you did was attack Rife personally. Anyone who thinks like you, or the idiot that wrote this article, or supports the current left or right establishment are solely responsible for the downfall of this nation. If America does not elect Ron Paul, and they put in Obama again, or Romney or Newt, then America will deserve the suffering that it will undergo. It is only usually through pain and suffering that people really learn. I prefer not to go through such pain and suffering and Ron Paul is the ONLY person that makes a lick of sense and has any REAL solutions.
You mean we will turn to a loon (like Paul) just like Germany did after its economy fell apart?
Quite a few people think it is “loony” to borrow money from China (or print it out of nothing) to finance wars against countries that pose no security risk to the USA.
Others think it is “loony” to cut 10 billion dollars out of a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit and then pat yourself on the back for being fiscally responsible.
Even others think it is “loony” to pass a law that allows for the indefinite detention of US Citizens without even charging them with a crime. Obama ran on closing Gitmo, then signed this law. He also assassinated an American Citizen for what amounted to speech crimes. I would call these things much more dangerous to our way of life than a nuclear armed Iran. We dealt with the Soviet Union when they had 30,000 nuclear warheads pointed at us.
People are waking up to this and that is why Ron Paul’s message is reasonating. It is also why all these predictible textbook attack dogs are barking now.
Well said my friend.
I pray God people are awakening. How is that took this long for the Media to point out who this guy is. He is an extreme leftwing when it comes to national security and foreign affairs matters.
While RP is somewhat more isolationist than suits me, it is ridiculous to say that an America first type position is left wing. RP points the direction in which the GOP must go if it ever hopes to truly compete (and for America to compete for that matter). Common sense supports RP’s so-called “truther” statements. In any event, W did use 9/11 to embark on a disastrous and an extremist neocon agenda, and W proved, that whatever the merits of neocon philosophy, we are totally incompetent to pursue that philosophy.
Interesting term. The America First Committee was an isolationalist, anti-semitic organization active in the US as Hitler consolidated power.
Apropos.
you dont have to be “to the left” of Dennis Kucinich to believe the Bush administration treated the 9-11 attacks like the Christmas present they had been wishing for all along.
The incredibly rapid transition from the shock and awe of that day to the ‘mushroom cloud’ warnings and finally to the WMD’s claims that led to the invasion seemed so well orchestrated, that historians will be sorting this out for a long time to come.
Paul, and many others as well, is just claiming that what the historians finally find out, may not be pretty.
WOW, I am glad you are commenting here Escuela, it shows the lunacy of the Ron Paul supporters and it will turn off voters.
The truth may not be pretty, but it is still the truth. RP predicted that the Bush administration would use 9/11 as an excuse to attack Iran.
Well, we attacked Iran, that is the truth. RP was right.
You’d said “Iran” twice so you must have meant Iran.
Hate to be the one to break it to you, but we have never attacked Iran (at least no the IR version).
WMD in Iraq, we have found empty warheads, (Bio weapons are often not put into the warheads until right before use)chemical suits (Iraqi forces were issued them) and (illegal due to UN resolutions) long range missles in Iraq after the war. We also claimed they had mobile bio weapons trucks that we destroyed during the bombing phase of the war before our troops hit the ground. On top of that, our troops that went in originally have had effects of what seemed to be nerve agents.
Think it through, before we went in with troops we bombed the heck out of anything resembling a weapon. So finding them after the fact, would be difficult at best unless you can identify the shrapnel.
Mr. Paul is, I feel, disqualified because of his newsletters. How could you lend your name to a newsletter and not know what’s in it? It just doesn’t make sense, especially since this has come up before and he claims he still hasn’t read them? That can’t be true. I have been waging an online, write-in campaign for some time now, and we’ve had thousands and thousands of visitors to our site. The response has been overwhelmingly positive. Check it out, and if you like what you see, spread the word. I haven’t taken one dime in contributions, and if I do start to, I won’t take any from corporations or lobbyists. I feel it corrupts politics. At any rate, I’ve written down all my ideas, so it’s also hard for me to backtrack. The site address is http://www.gradyforpresident.com. Thanks in advance for your time.
Yep, you don’t pay for the distrubution of a newsletter sent out to a couple hundred thousand people for decades under your name, written in first person, without reading it unless you are the biggest fool on the planet… oh wait a minute, nevermind.
Truthers, until a few days ago, were defined as people who believe the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by the government. Now we see the GOP elite and all their little lapdogs redefining it as a tool to smear the Paul campaign. Who needs liberals with liars like this polluting the right? Every day these creeps give me another reason to want to see this disgusting, unconservative bunch of statist liars that constitute the Republican party destroyed. These are the same jerks that created the forever war concept that has killed soldiers and civilians as well as terrorists without the party showing any remorse or even conscience about it. the same party that whines incessantly about liberal hegemony in education and then rubber stamps every education spending bill they see. The same party who glorified in the profits made by the pirates who made themselves rich when they clearly understood what was going to happen. the same party that has defecated on the constitution with the Patriot Act, Homeland Security and the Imperial presidency while lying out of their other face about fealty to the same document. These people have got to go, no matter what it takes.
This is the Republican RINO establishment point of view that these Muslim terrorist attack for no reason at all. It isn’t even like they have an invalid reason to attack, no, it is that they are attacking for no reason at all. If you say “terrorists are bent on attacking the West because of XYZ” then you are labeled a truther, whatever the hell that means.
Nice to shake up Karl Rove and the rest of the neo-cons once in a while.. Be prepared to be flushed from the party RINOs.. Don’t worry, the Democrats have a big tent waiting for you and I am sure you will be right at home..
Ron Paul is a RINO. I presume he and his followers will hand thge lesection to Obama, even if he isn’t nominated.
They had a reason, hardline Islam wants people to convert or die. They hate us, our culture and our freedom. If we do like Ron Paul wants to do and pull all our troops back to the good old USA, we will watch our allies fall one by one until the extremists are knocking on our door and we will have no one to help us but God.
Wow. Pure garbage. “One of the more disturbing sidebars” in American political discourse is the idiotic theme of neoconservative chickenhawks who bastardize “American exceptionalism” and think it’s some sort of magic cloak that shields them from foreign policy criticism.
We are the greatest nation on earth because we are strong enough to grow, to improve, to iron out our imperfections. 9/11 wasn’t an inside job, and I’ve seen no evidence — including the fallacious crap Bryan Preston is spewing — that Ron Paul believes it was. Arguing that the evil terrorists who attacked us might have been motivated by what we do in the Middle East isn’t an attack on American exceptionalism. It isn’t “blaming America.” It’s the REAL “9/11 truth.” It doesn’t legitimize terrorism, doesn’t mean we deserved the attack, and doesn’t mean the so-called “war on terror” isn’t legitimate. But it means we have to be honest about the nature of terrorism if we’re going to keep America safe.
Bravo!!!
I couldn’t agree more.
The terrorists did not attack us because they “Hate our freedom”
Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were actually very clear with their reasons. Among the neocon war mongers, acknowledging these reasons is the equivalent of “Blaming America”
This “They hate our freedom” nonsense is just propaganda. Watch some Lebanese pop music videos. If you muted it you would think you were watching MTV with all of the scantily clad women dancing around. Lebanon is the home of Hezbollah.
The notion that we were attacked on 9-11 simply because of our freedom and our way of life is such utter bullshit I am amazed so many people believe it and repeat it. Truly dumbfounding.
Jack, I agree 100% ..
Its funny; many say that Bush was to stupid to walk and chew gum at the same time, yet the same people say, he some how secretly formulated the largest single attack on our soil in history with out a single shred of evidence left behind…
This is under the context in which the media was releasing everything it could against the war on terrorism. (ie cell phone taps, etc)
Liberty is our primary value.
Expanding gov’t is the greatest threat to liberty.
Ron Paul is the greatest threat to expanding gov’t.
All else is sound and fury, signifying nothing.
It is a sad truth that the only reason Ron Paul is in the discussion is because the GOP field is so weak. Romney and Gingrich have the gravitas to be POTUS, but are conservative in the sense only that they are to the right of Obama. Bachmann/Perry/ (and formerly) Cain have generally fine ideas, but are soundbite candidates who cannot seem to muster coherent thought beyond their talking points. Santorum and Huntsman are featherweights and not especially likable.
That leaves Crazy Uncle Ron, whom I think it would be foolish to ignore. Paul is an intellectually consistent small government conservative who actually believes in and can explain the principles. Alas, his foreign policy would be a radical shift and is anathema to establishment conservatives and many in the Republican base. I could almost forgive Paul his lunacy on foreign policy (sorry folks, I don’t think the world becomes a safer place when the international community begins allowing hostile dictator’s to begin enriching uranium to build bombs) because I think the Pentagon could handle and reason with a President Paul, but I don’t think a majority of American or Republican voters can. But if a majority of Iowans can–and I think they just might–this race does become a whole lot more interesting. It would mostly benefit Romney, but it could also leave the door open for an 11th hour candidate. And yes, I’m still praying Ryan, Rubio or Christie will jump in.
“I don’t think the world becomes a safer place when the international community begins allowing hostile dictator’s to begin enriching uranium to build bombs”
So, I assume you will be the first one enlisting to invade and conquer North Korea? Oh I forgot North Korea isn’t on Israel’s shit list so I guess the USA doesn’t need to go to war with them.
Rife, this is weak logic. Because we’ve allowed one mad ruler of a rogue nation to (apparently) go nuclear, we lose moral authority to prevent similar rogue nations from acquiring and assembling nuclear warheads? Nuclear proliferation is something that is not in the common interest of nations and we have the right to take steps to prevent it. Force, admittedly, should be a final resort. And yes, I’d be willing to answer the call in such a scenario.
Jon M.
What is this “moral authority” that you are talking about? So the US has authority over other sovereign nations, is that what you are saying?
Where did this authority come from?
You people are pathetic. This is like the fourth article in 24 hours I’ve seen telling my why Paul is ‘disqualified’. It seems there is no level the media will not stoop to. How about letting voters decide whether a candidate qualifies? That’s not up to you.
Paul is not a ‘truther’, in the sense that he believes America did the attacks. He has said, over and over, that the attacks were done by Al Queda by individuals from Saudi Arabia. Nowhere in that video did he say anything different. He does believe that the attacks were a result of 50 years of bad foreign policy. He does believe that US intelligence agencies were incompetent at best. And he does believe we need to look more closely at the causes and effects of 9/11, especially how our reaction has affected our civil liberties. Of course, these are all hot button topics to pavlovian conservatives, which is why he doesn’t talk about it unless asked.
I’m still 100% with Ron Paul. If you do not recognize that our out-of-control debt and deficit are our number one national security threats right now then you are blind to the facts. Our military expenditures must be reduced, the conveyor belt of dead and wounded must come to a halt, it is not our responsibility to provided 24X7 security for Israel and Iran is not a threat the American homeland.
Just as predicted, now that there’s a decent chance that Paul will win in Iowa, the Establishment Republicans, the neo-cons, are starting to spill their litres of ink trying to smear him with every lie, innuendo, and half-truth they can dream up. David Frum yesterday, this guy today, and, no doubt, someone else tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow.
Face it, GOP, Americans are as fed up with you as they are with the Dems. I don’t know if Ron Paul is necessarily the right new direction for the Party, but unless you come up with some alternative to the bible-thumping, self-righteous, would-be theocrats and the paranoiac, chip-on-the-shoulder, authoritarian cowboys, you’re just going to hand the election to that far-left disaster-in-progress, Obama. And while Mitt Romney’s hair might make him a good choice to play the part of the president in some film, he has all the personality of Wonder Bread.
What’s really loony are articles like this that pick away at things that have little merit or even really matter when it comes to the future of true prosperity for America.
Keep voting for Out of control debt, massive deficits and Crony Capitalism…. it’s been doing wonders for this country for the past 12 years…
Or… Vote for Dr. Ron Paul and see some real Change from somebody who can’t be bought off by Wall Street…. Your choice.
Fact of the matter is… the country is broke and getting poorer every day and it’s time to fix the rotted foundation that has been plaguing this country.
In no way is RP a 9/11 truther. He points to the very real phenomenom known as BLOWBACK – something identified by our intelligence agencies as well. It is the unintended consequences of our foreign policy. You point to RP – how about Santorum’s revisionist history where US-Iranian relations begin with the 1979 hostage crisis? He seems to forget very important events in the 1950s that led to the overthrow of the Shah and the subsequent Islamist regime that took over.
I love watching people get scared about Ron Paul – it means he’s winning.
The funny thing is that Ron Paul and George Bush both have a similar view of fighting Terrorism. They Both believe that Terrorism is a symptom of how the Muslim World views the US. Bush thought he would change hearts and minds by liberating Iraq. Paul thinks he will change hearts and minds by not intervening in foriegn affairs. The truth is that the world is much more complicated than either of those approaches would suggest.
Your well reasoned comment is inconvenient. Please remove it. (/sarcasm for the dim-witted among us here)
Who dug up this annoying little website and why is it being given a national platform to spread its ignorance?
Ron Paul has failed to change one vote in Congress – a failure of leadership except when it comes to some incurious voters.
Dennis Kucinich is a far more sane and coherent Dept of Peace than Ron Paul.
Gary Johnson is a far more sane, coherent, with a record of results, and is the Real Libertarian.
Good luck GOP – you just inherited the Code Pink/Free Gaza anti-war left that destroyed the Democrats.
Using the 9/11 Truther argument is a weak tactic. What happened to the GOP hysteria about who can win a debate with Obama? The rambling off into rants Ron Paul? Watch his debate answers again and remind yourselves of why Ron Paul is unfit for the presidency.
The GOP reaps what the Dems have been sowing since 1968. America is doomed.
Yes, avoid Ron Paul. Better the crew that launched a war against Iraq based on lies, has collapsed the global economy, puts the interests of Israel before those of America, and now has started the lying corporate media mill for yet a bigger, costlier, ultimately failed war against Iran. That’s a better choice.
What a shame that PJMedia is in Romney and the GOP Establishment’s pocket. Why is it so hard to see that this so-called ‘conservative’ outlet is being played by the military-industrial complex? Iran is only the latest of the wag the dog tricks that are being used to justify interventions. Ron Paul is right, and the only sane alternative to a warmongering GOP establishment much more interested in big-government contracts than in ‘national security’.
Looks like he’s more of a Perry shill, IMO.
Ron Paul would be as big a disaster as Obama!
Many countries have tried isolationism and had to give up on it.
Look at China and others before and after isolationism.
And Paul certainly doesn’t understand the symbiotic relationship between America and Israel.
http://tinyurl.com/dx3clrk
Fortunately for the US Paul has a small band of loyal followers but nowhere near enough support to become the GOP candidate.
Oh, and Romney can’ win either.
There is an article expressing why, on the same website as the above link.
Where do you get the idea that Paul is isolationist? That’s a load of hot, steamin’ propagandist caca.
I agree with Ron on his stated belief in the root causes for 9/11 and Arab/Islamic anger directed at the US. If foreign troops were in my country, manipulating my government and imposing their vastly different cultural, ethical, moral, and religious views, I’d become an amateur bomb-maker pretty damn quickly.
If that makes me a truther, then…just…wow. Good luck slinging the mud, because you’re hip deep in it.
I am a life long Republican and I am proudly voting for Ron Paul. If the GOP tries this crap of smearing him with lies and he loses the nomination because of this, I will cast my vote for the Libertarian.
Where is the conservative?
Ron Paul who voted for lower taxes, less government, avoiding foreign entaglemnts as both Jefferson and Washington warned us against and more freedom.
Newt Gingrich who profited from Freddie and Fannie. Never faithful to a woman. Voted to create the Department of Education. Suggested we have an individual mandate for healthcare. Flirted with Nancy Pelosi in a commercial. Newt also supports amnesty for illegals.
Mitt Romney who wrote the original Obamacare. Pushed gun control. Loves abortion until the GOP primary. Promotes the gay agenda.
Rick Perry who believes in amnesty for illegal aliens. Was once a Democrat and campaigned for Al Gore. Raised Taxes. Pandered to La Raza.
I think Ron Paul is the only conservative. Let’s look at his beliefs:
1. Belief that if we go to war then Congress must declare war as our Consitution states. Remeber it was liberal Democrate LBJ who got us into Vietnam with having a war that was never declared by Congress.
2. Is called a 9/11 truther because he does not buy the line that, “They attacked us because we are free and hate our way of life”. If this is the case then they would have attacked Switzerland, Belgium, and Sweeden.
3. Believes in the slogan of Thomas Jefferson, “Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. Ron Paul believes if we all trade together then we will all prosper and prosperous people that rely on each other are less liekly to attack each other.
4. Goes against the GOP mentality that you are un-patriotic if you support defense cuts. If these conservatives knew anything about the founding fathers then they would know that the founding fathers feared large powerful standing armies and felt they are the greatest threat to liberty and often bankrupt nations.
5. Believes in sound money and does not support the privately held Federal Reserve. Just as Jefferson said, ” I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”
6. Believes the Constitution is a guiding document rather than an obstacle.
After analyzing his beliefs I believe we have the true conservative. Of course as any good liberal Democrat would do let’s call him a racist and anti-semite.
Anti-Semitic Beliefs:
Ron Paul is called an anti-semite because he opposes giving foreign aid to Israel. Ron Paul opposes all foreign aid. Ron believes we hurt Israel. We give 3 times the amount of aid to the Arabs then Israel. So we give the Arabs 3 dollars to buy guns and Israel 1 dollar. Israel now has to come up with 2 dollars out of their own pocket just to even it out. If we gave everyone zero Israel will benefit. Ron Paul also believes in letting Israel decide her own fate when attacked and not ask US permission to strike back. The US permission to strike back is almost never granted.
Ron Paul is a racist because a news letter of 20 years ago talked about balcks rioting in LA. Facts are facts. How many Whites or Asians did you see doing the rioting?
Ron Paul would be as big a disaster as Obama!
Many countries have tried isolationism and had to give up on it.
Look at China and others before and after isolationism.
And Paul certainly doesn’t understand the symbiotic relationship between America and Israel.
http://tinyurl.com/dx3clrk
Fortunately for the US Paul has a small band of loyal followers but nowhere near enough support to become the GOP candidate.
I am a life long Republican and I am proudly voting for Ron Paul. If the GOP tries this crap of smearing him with lies and he loses the nomination because of this, I will cast my vote for the Libertarian.
Where is the conservative?
Ron Paul who voted for lower taxes, less government, avoiding foreign entanglements as both Jefferson and Washington warned us against and more freedom.
Newt Gingrich who profited from Freddie and Fannie. Never faithful to a woman. Voted to create the Department of Education. Suggested we have an individual mandate for healthcare. Flirted with Nancy Pelosi in a commercial. Newt also supports amnesty for illegals.
Mitt Romney who wrote the original Obamacare. Pushed gun control. Loves abortion until the GOP primary. Promotes the gay agenda.
Rick Perry who believes in amnesty for illegal aliens. Was once a Democrat and campaigned for Al Gore. Raised Taxes. Pandered to La Raza.
I think Ron Paul is the only conservative. Let’s look at his beliefs:
1. Belief that if we go to war then Congress must declare war as our Constitution states. Remember it was liberal Democrat LBJ who got us into Vietnam with having a war that was never declared by Congress.
2. Is called a 9/11 truther because he does not buy the line that, “They attacked us because we are free and hate our way of life”. If this is the case then they would have attacked Switzerland, Belgium, and Sweden.
3. Believes in the slogan of Thomas Jefferson, “Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. Ron Paul believes if we all trade together then we will all prosper and prosperous people that rely on each other are less likely to attack each other.
4. Goes against the GOP mentality that you are un-patriotic if you support defense cuts. If these conservatives knew anything about the founding fathers then they would know that the founding fathers feared large powerful standing armies and felt they are the greatest threat to liberty and often bankrupt nations.
5. Believes in sound money and does not support the privately held Federal Reserve. Just as Jefferson said, ” I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”
6. Believes the Constitution is a guiding document rather than an obstacle.
After analyzing his beliefs I believe we have the true conservative. Of course as any good liberal Democrat would do let’s call him a racist and anti-semite.
Anti-Semitic Beliefs:
Ron Paul is called an anti-semite because he opposes giving foreign aid to Israel. Ron Paul opposes all foreign aid. Ron believes we hurt Israel. We give 3 times the amount of aid to the Arabs then Israel. So we give the Arabs 3 dollars to buy guns and Israel 1 dollar. Israel now has to come up with 2 dollars out of their own pocket just to even it out. If we gave everyone zero Israel will benefit. Ron Paul also believes in letting Israel decide her own fate when attacked and not ask US permission to strike back. The US permission to strike back is almost never granted.
Ron Paul is a racist because a news letter of 20 years ago talked about blacks rioting in LA. Facts are facts. How many Whites or Asians did you see doing the rioting?
I think RP is right that we shouldn’t give a dime of foreign aid to Israel. In doing so, we are breaking our own laws. We are sending billions to a Middle Eastern State that has actively pursued nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programs since Kennedy was in office. Why is a nuclear Israel so much better than a nuclear Iran? Israel has refused to sign nuclear non proliferation treaties. Our foreign policy over the last few decades has been a disaster. Our continued support of Israel has merely created another nuclear power and endeared us with millions of enemies. Israel doesn’t deserve another cent of our tax dollars. On this account, RP is right. However, I think there are legitimate concerns that a nuclear Iran could possibly lead to nuclear war in the Middle East and beyond. What a mess! We never should have sponsored the creation of a Zionist state.
This “shocking expose” is just another feeble attempt by the neocon controlled Republican establishment to take honest comments — not “truther” allegations, but the eagerness of the neocons to engage in war — and extrapolate a derogatory position to smear opposition to their agenda.
Since the election of Bush I, through Clinton, Bush II and Obama, we have experimented extensively with both progressivism and neoconservatism as the guiding political philosophies of this once great country. Each respective philosophy has tried to structure and grow our society through centrally controlled economic and social covenants, each lead by their intellectual philosopher kings who “know best” how to build the ideal society. The results have been less than spectacular to say the least — in fact we are left in a quagmire of endless warfare sapping the lives of the best of our young men and women, and a welfare state spiraling to ever new heights. Both are bankrupting us both economically and morally.
The two major parties, the neoconservative controlled Republican and the progressive controlled Democratic, have merged into just two wings — the right and left — of a single bird seeking to become the new national bird…a vulture fighting over our carcass. It’s no longer a case of what is best for our country, but who gets to hold the reigns of power while we gallop into oblivion.
There is a truly different way to go, one based on Constitutional individual liberty, not state (government in power at the moment) mandated and controlled liberty. It represents a return to rule by law in place of rule by whimsical man. This next election may be our last chance to salvage the American dream for not only us, but especially for our children and grandchildren.
If people like Mr. Preston keep up their twisting and spin campaign against Ron Paul — in league with such “winners” as Karl Rove — they are just working to perpetuate our dying system of government. They may have the satisfaction of holding the reigns of power when we disintegrate, but the rest of America will suffer the adverse consequences.
Wow, I know PJM is notorious for lazy journalism but damn, this article and comments show a new low both in journalism and as an echo chamber of intellectual masturbation. Get out and actually read what american conservative foreign policy looked like before. All these lazy neocons on here are proof positive of how far PJM has sunk into irrelevance. I wouldn’t even be here but for a generous side link on RCP.
Thankfully the republican party is abandoning this backward thinking. It’ll take the politicians 8 or 12 years to catch up but at least it’s the right direction.
How do those two videos prove he is a Truther? He believes that our involvement in the Middle East over the past 40 years has bred hatred for us. Is that inaccurate?
Desperation is a stinky cologne. The establishment will stop at nothing to stifle Dr. Paul and his supporters. Tick tock goes the clock…their time is running out.
ron paul is not conservative and he is not libertarian..he is masquerading
as one of the two to attempt to attract evangelicals from iowa and college
kids who don’t know much about the world..ron paul is in fact a radical
reactionary who wants to return to the way the US was in the 1800′s..
this is not only foolish nonsense but is totally impossible …those same
people who are in a trance over ron paul because they may agree that we
should not be in Iraq or afganistan for example or who think the fed should
be abolished really have little or no formal education that would allow them
to come to any reasonable conclusion about Paul’s entire program..Like the
American firsters before wwII, Paul is an isolationist when isolationsim
is the one thing america cannot afford..Paul doesn’t get that the fed is
there to provide liquidity in times of crisis..what he is really suggesting sub rosa is that the fed is an amalgam of “jewish bankers” he speaks in
code and that is why he has the following among white supremicists that he
does..its why he wrote his newsletter and its why he has support in the
hinterlands where people don’t accept the changing demography of the nation
and believe that jews are the reason that the economy tanked…Paul may
win Iowa and that is one more reason that the republican party needs to
change the way it selects candidates by marginalizing the importance of
Iowa in the primary selection process…the nation is changing..this is not
1848 and ron paul is dangerous
What is dangerous is that we are 15 trillion dollars in debt with over 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, and that we are engaged in a foreign policy we cannot manage or afford.
Meanwhile, our government is actively taking away our rights and civil liberties and putting their pieces in place to lock up or assassinate any citizen they want to once all hell breaks loose.
Sit down and do the math we are looking at a total economic collapse. The mainstream conservative Ryan plan, a plan that was labeled “Extreme” takes decades to balance the damn budget.
People say Ron Paul is crazy, what is crazy to me is the idea that we can continue to spend trillions of dollars we don’t have sustaining a welfare state at home and a global police force abroad.
Crazy Uncle Ron and his radical ideas of having a balanced budget,not printing money to cover our deficits and not waging war on people who don’t threaten us. What a kook! If that is crazy and our government for the last generation is sane, then give me crazy.
Ron Paul thinks Islam will leave us alone if we leave them alone. Ron Paul Supporters believe this stupid fallacy.
From the strategy books of the Byzantine Empire, failing to utterly crush Muslims only encourages them because any success they think is attributed to their true faith.
If Islam is going to leave us alone then please explain how Islam went from the town of Mecca to Christian Iraq, Christian Egypt, Christian Tirkey…Christian Spain, and even into Christian Austria.
You stupid stupid stupid Ron Paul supporters.
Reply to Evangelical:
In the beginning Man created god and Mankind has suffered ever since.
The United States is currently giving all kinds of “aid” (MONEY) to radical Islamic states that are the enemies of Israel and of the United States. Ron Paul would end that.
The radical islamists would destroy us if they could. They can’t. Since 9/11 something like 17 Americans have been murdered by islamists, 14 at Fort Hood alone. The only reason the attacks of 9/11 succeeded was because they were a complete surprise. It won’t happen again. Ron Paul 2012
These are the dumbest responses I ever heard. 9/11 won’t happen again because it was a fluke? Are you forgetting the 1992 WTC bombing? The Cole, the Kohbar towers, India, and hundreds of other attacks before and after 9/11.
I guess killing 75% of Al Qaida’s leadership has nothing to do with reducing their venom?
Paulestinian answers are dumber than Liberals, they are the dumbest of the dumb.
Fuhk off
There is nothing incorrect about the CBS video. It is clear from the facts that Bush wanted to invade Iraq even from the beginning. His guys used 9-11 as an excuse for this unnecessary war. His use of the word “glee” does not imply any errors in foreign policy.
I’d rather disagree with Ron Paul’s foreign policy than his domestic! Obama’s domestic policy is to tax businesses to the point that they can’t hire anyone. The United States currently has the highest corporate/business tax in the world! Ron Paul would end that! He’d also cut an INCREDIBLE amount of wasteful spending that our current government does with our tax dollars. Something Obama certainly hasn’t done.
Just those two things are reason enough to elect him. And on top of that, concerning his foreign policy, we can’t afford to police the world anymore. We’re broke! People are acting like we can have a conversation about the issues while ignoring that fact. But, like any mature group of people, with the debt we’re in (14 Trillion), we’ve got to come to grips with the fact that we can’t afford to police the world anymore! Ron Paul would defund the enemies of Israel. Currently our government gives more money to Israel’s enemies than to Israel. Paul said we can’t afford to keep giving our money to all these other countries — especially our enemies and the enemies of our allies. So he’d defund the enemies of Israel and that’d be a big help to Israel and to us!
Ron Paul for President!
I am a Ron Paul supporter, and I will go toe to toe with all of you so called “intelligent” people 6 days a week, and twice on Sunday. “Speak softly, and carry a big stick.” Roosevelt. We have the biggest stick in the world, yet we go around bullying tiny countries like Iran. you don’t see us taking that stance with N. Korea???? Ron Pual is not about cowering anywhere. However just like Roosevelt, we need to know when to break that big stick out. “A true master not only knows how to use the sword, but when to use it.” Ed Parker. If/When the US is ever threatened, then I truly pray for the country who commits that offense while Ron Paul is Commander and Chief. Lest you all forget or ignore the fact that Dr. Paul gets about 70% of the support of the Armed forces. They fight these endless bullying wars that you all talk about so casually, and they are tired of it. They enlist to protect the US, not to free Iraq! They side with Ron Paul because he is their leader of choice, and because they know these wars are morally and financially wrong. If he ever calls them to deal with a TRUE US concern, then god help those on the other end of that A–kicking. I don’t believe Roosevelt was a weak leader, and I don’t believe Ron Paul is either. “Humility is to make a right estimate of one’s self. … It has been said that our anxiety does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow, but only empties today of its strength.” Charles Spurgeon.
I guess I shouldn’t expect anything other than more ignorance from all these media sights. “Small minds talk about People. Average minds talk about events. Great minds talk about ideas.” Roosevelt Ron Paul has given us all alot to think about. Are we really considering our options? What would happen if we went back to a gold standard? Didn’t jump to defend Isreal? Stopped bullying the world? Reduced the size of our government? “There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why… I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?” Robert Kennedy.
Iran is a theocratic fascist paramilitary dictatorship where the 12ers are almost exactly a parallel to Nazism, in that they are a mass movement of militias that own Iran’s MIC and bully the government into following their ideology which is exactly thus:
Destroying Israel will bring the Muslim Messiah to the world.
Ron Paul doesn’t thi k this is a problem, funk you Paulisti jabs.
Paulestine is the AntiChristif not a false prophet.
I have read Ron Paul’s writings and seen his voting record. The anti-semitism and 9/11 Truther smears are impossible to prove. Those who make these dubious claims are torturing conclusions from sparse evidence. Try reading a little bit of what Paul writes and votes for. He is by far the most conservative candidate. He has a consistent record which is easy to find (except for the anti semitism, etc.).
From where does this pathetic fear of the Muslims derive? How can one who surveys the “Islamic empire” see anything other than a civilization in its dark ages? Any lust for world domination is laughable. Aside from some loosely organized terror acts, which should be harshly dealt with, they offer little credible threat to the western world in the next several generations, at least.
There is a real existential threat to the U.S.–our snowballing debt–and it is here in this generation. Paul alone shows a desire and a plan to tackle that problem. He reaches back to the first principles of our nation. You could do much worse. He’s not perfect but he is impressive compared to Romney/Obama.
It would be amusing to watch Obama playing the patriotism canard against Paul’s less interventionist policies.
I also heard that Ron Paul kicks puppies!
You ain’t heard the half of it. I heard he once spanked a newborn baby until it cried.
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You ain’t heard the half of it. I heard he once spanked a newborn baby until it cried.
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Stop that! – The neo-cons will be crying child abuse.
This author has no honor. His sole purpose here is to destroy an honorable man. Most people can see through this.
Ron Paul is not a truther, and your video provide zero evidence of that. He has never said that 9/11 was an inside job.
He believes that our aggressive and meddlesome foreign policy provided motivation to the terrorists. This is completely logical. In murder investigations, finding out the motive of the murderer is one of the most important things to do to solve the crime. That doesn’t mean you excuse the murderer, but it helps you piece the story together.
We need to sober up and realize that we can’t police the world and have a giant welfare state at home. Both are manifestations of statism.
You got that right.
This pitiful website would never brighten a computer monitor without the help of the Real Clear Politics site as a stage. Which proves Real Clear Politics has an agenda…a bias against Ron Paul.
What’s up with that?
Well he’s as close to being a truther as one can be without saying so officially.
Interesting though how every single truther and conspiracy theorist and every other nutcase is attracted to Paul like flies to…
The only reason someone like Ron Paul sees the light of day at all in this election cycle is because Mitt Romney sucks. Nobody wants a President who believes in a religion founded by a convicted fraud. People can point all they want at his flip flop on socialized medicine, running to the left of Ted Kennedy in 1994 and the like, but THIS is the biggest reason he is disliked. Nobody wants a Mormon President, myself included. Is Ron Paul a weirdo? Yes, he is. To his credit though, he’s an honest weirdo and very transparent. I find Mitt Romney more dangerous because he’s a phony in a religious cult who actually has a legitimate shot at becoming President.
Are you a liberal Jew or tolerant Christian? How can you spew such hatred if you have any belief system that is in your opinion better than Mormonism? I want to know what religion you believe in that lets you have such hatred of another and you can feel good about it.
I’m Jewish, I earn around 1,500 USD per month, but I secretly control the world.
What’s the problem? This might be the only thing Ron Paul gets right. Otherwise a complete nutjob, he understands that U.S. Middle East policy created widespread hatred of America – and not just hatred of the U.S. by Muslims, but by rank-and-file Europeans, too. The fact that most Americans will side with anyone pushing the ridiculously childish “they hate our freedom” propaganda just prooves that most Americans don’t understand their own foreign policy, let alone its very dangerous effects.
What makes him so wacky according to most posters? You don’t think Dick Cheney and his Halliburton friends were dancing in the streets and sipping some nice cognac after 9-11. They lied about everything with the reasons for going into Iraq. There was absolutely no evidence that Iraq had anything to do with 9-11. We were lied to by our President who really was the vice-President. Colin Powell left the administration because he knew he was used as a dupe for Cheney. The Iraq war which has killed over 100,000 people and created instability in a stable country was totally unnecessary except to keep this massive oil company profits running ever since. Does anyone really believe that there was not glee in the White House. And what’s worse, there still is as the drums now have a target on Iran. Imagine the oil company profits after a war with Iran? Glee was a nice word.
Uh, big problem.. The administration WAS gleeful over the 9/11 attacks. Witness their behavior: George W Bush and his neoconservative pals quickly tossed the entire party overboard and used the deaths of three thousand Americans as a pretext to invade Iraq… A country which posed no threat and wasn’t involved in the attacks at all.
PNAC had called for just such an event, and.. GOSH, GOLLY! They got one!
In the process, Bush and friends lost congress, shredded the Constitution, and destroyed the entire notion of neo-Conservatism as a serious school of thought. He ran up trillions in debt, rendered Iraq unfit for habitation by Christians and Jews, lied shamelessly and, were it not for the Tea Party and the failure of President Obama, would have relegated the entire party to the trash can of paranoid, foreign policy whack jobs for a generation..
And you’re mad at Ron Paul for something he didn’t even say? Shame on you.
The truly looney people in this scenario are the Bush administration and the fruitcakes who see muslim hordes hiding under their beds… They’re the ones who did all the damage. Heck, they couldn’t even invade the right country in response! And you’re worked up about Ron Paul?
Amen, my brother.
Hey stupid Paulistinians, if US abandons Israel and the middle east what happens when Iran has the bomb and the middle east is over ran by Salafists and terrorist states?
Do you stupid paulistinians honestly think Islam is not the greatest threat to humanity in the world?
Answer us household paulistinians.
Ron Paul is a 24-karat fruit loop whose 15 minutes of fame will soon be over. The mere fact that he can poll enough in Iowa to be among the front-runners should tell you all you need to know about what a far right-wing state Iowa is.
If Mitt Romney can actually manage to win in Iowa, as now looks possible, the Republican race will be all but over. He will blitz the field in New Hampshire a week later.
Stupid Paulistinians admit that Paulistine believes Meddlesome US policies create Muslim terrorists.
Stupid Paulistinians please tell us, what do terrorists yell when they blow themselves up?
Stupid Paulistinians, why do terrorists kill Russian school children when Russia supports Arabs against Israel?
Stupid Paulistinians, what did Spain do to deserve being invaded by the Ummayads?
Stupid Paulistinians, why do terrorists kill Russian school children when Russia supports Arabs against Israel?
Stupid Paulistinians, what did Spain do to deserve being invaded by the Ummayads?
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The Soviets in Afghanistan in the 80′s
The Spanish Inquisition
It’s called blowback.
The Ummayyad invasion of Spain was in the 700s. The Spanish Inquisition starts in the 1400s. That’s not just blowback; it’s time travel blowback.
One of my big problems with Paulestinian foreign policy is that it is not based on history, but on an ideology that does things like this to history to come up with a consistent, logical, but inaccurate explanation of the world.
Why did Muslim pirates engaged in jihad kidnap American sailors in open ocean and sell them into slavery in 1800? Was it because they knew that we were going to support Israel?
Why did Muslim slave traders kidnap entire coastal villages in France and Ireland in the 1700s to sell them into slavery? Because they knew that both countries would eventually play a part in supporting Israel?
One more thing: Monty Python said that “Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.” Certainly not seven centuries early!
Who wants a 9/11 truther when we can have 9/11 liars
The candidate (Paul) gave a detailed answer to the IMF question but, blew the lady off once she mentioned 9/11. This is pretty weak. If anything the video implies that he not a truther, although he obviously doesn’t mind getting their support.
” K: Okay and one last thing why won’t you come out about the truth about 9/11?
Paul: Because I can’t handle the controversy, I have the IMF the Federal Reserve to deal with, the IRS to deal with because no because I just have more-too many things on my plate. Because I just have too much to do….” <>.
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Nope! All Ron Paul says is that our foreign policy can cause “blowback” our own CIA states the same thing. Bin Laden declared war on the US because we put bases in what was to him sacred Muslim soil in Saudi Arabia. Does that mean the US was at fault for 9/11. No it doesn’t but it is not a bad idea to understand our enemies. If we are smarter we are stronger.
There sure are a lot of biased articles against Paul. Sad and pathetic, really. Ron Paul is the only choice for president of the U.S. in 2012.
US policy towards Israel should be no different than our policies towards Uruguay or Uzbekistan. Free trade and non-intervention on internal matters.
WINNING….. Anyone that gets the GOP and Lib parties panties in a collective bunch, has got to be doing something right..!
If Romney or any of these other stuffed shirt neo cons win this thing then we might as well just move DC to Jerusalem and call it a day…
RP is not a truther. Let’s stop being hysterical here. You’re just predisposed to not like RP. That causes you to reach for negative conclusions when a more level-headed reading of him would arrive at the obvious…albeit saucy and coy…point he’s making:
Crisis provides an opening to pursue otherwise unworkable policies.
Ron Paul is not a truther. There’s a difference between thinking that the Bush administration could use 9/11 as a pretext to expand wars over seas and 9/11 being an inside job.
But just for fun, I’ll throw this out there: Building 7
Mind You i hated Ron Paul….then as a curiosity I read his plan for America.
Now I’m a Ron Paul supporter forever! Join the Ron Paul Constitutional Revolution! RP 2012!
RealUnclearPolitics is Baby Boomer owned franchise. You can;t find an article about Ron Paul on their homepage, but they choose to publish garbage like this. The Baby Boomers are running scared.
They are the extremists in this country, promoting their fear tactics and war mongering ways. They grouped us, they divided us, now they control us. Ask any psychologist about the psychological make up of a Baby Boomer, and you’ll find some unnerving traits. Now they are all top executives/owners of the large corporations, high ranking officials in our government, and own/control the media, they’ve brought all of their psychosis into our lives. The fear, the paranoia. Romney is a robot, similar to the Terminator, and now with the Drones, he will most likely start flying them over our heads as he rides around on his Harley. Irresponsible, unaccountable Baby Boomers!
End the madness.
Ron Paul 2012! End the Grouping. Begin the Uniting. Take back Control!
American First.