Cain Accuser Speaks (Update: Cain Campaign Responds) Update: Video Added (Update: Previous Accuser Corroborates?)
Her name is Sharon Bialek, and in a DC press conference today, she accused Herman Cain of making an unwanted sexual advance on her in 1997. Bialek is not among the three known accusers; she is Cain’s fourth accuser. She said she had been let go from the NRA’s educational foundation and had made contact with Cain to see if he could help her find a job. She met him at the Capital Hilton in DC, where Cain had upgraded her room, and that he later demanded sexual favors from her, saying “You want a job, don’t you?” Bialek says she told two other people about Cain’s actions shortly afterward, and both have given sworn statements to that effect. Allred held copies of both statements up at the press conference. Bialek says she did not file any complaint against Cain at the time because she was not employed at the NRA when the events occurred. Details of Bialek’s accusation:
She says Cain hooked her up with a “palatial suite” in Washington, D.C. Cain told her later that he had arranged for the “upgrade.”
Bialek says Cain took her to the NRA offices — she thought they were going inside, but Cain reached under her skirt to grab her genitals and tried to force her head down to his crotch. She says she said: “What are you doing? That’s not what I came here for.” To which she alleges Cain responded “You want a job don’t you?”
Bialek says she didn’t file a complaint because she didn’t work for the NRA.
“I am coming forward to give a face and a voice to those women who, for whatever reason, cannot come forward.”
Bialek concludes: “Mr. Cain, I implore you, make this right so that you and the country can move forward.”
Update: The Cain campaign’s J.D. Gordon responds:
“Just as the country finally begins to refocus on our crippling $15 trillion national debt and the unacceptably high unemployment rate, now activist celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred is bringing forth more false accusations against the character of Republican front-runner Herman Cain.
“All allegations of harassment against Mr. Cain are completely false. Mr. Cain has never harassed anyone. Fortunately the American people will not allow Mr. Cain’s bold “9-9-9 Plan”, clear foreign policy vision and plans for energy independence to be overshadowed by these bogus attacks.”
Update: In case you missed it, here is video of Bialek delivering her statement.
More: A few stray thoughts. Bialek seems credible, and has a very detailed memory of what she claims happened. She says she’s a Tea Party supporter. Yet she brought Gloria Allred into this? And Allred leads the press conference off with a joke about Cain offering Bialek his “stimulus package”? Bialek couldn’t have done much more to damage her own cause than involving Allred.
Update: Joel Bennett’s client, the one for whom he delivered a brief statement on Friday, seems to see some parallels in the way Cain treated her and Bialek.
In an interview after Ms. Bialek’s news conference, Joel P. Bennett, a lawyer for one of Mr. Cain’s anonymous accusers, said that Ms. Bialek’s claims were “very similar” in nature to the incident that occurred between his client and Mr. Cain.
His client has not said whether Mr. Cain touched her physically. In a statement Friday on her behalf, Mr. Bennett alleged that Mr. Cain had engaged in a “series of inappropriate behaviors and unwanted advances” toward his client.
“It corroborates the claim,” Mr. Bennett said of Ms. Bialek’s allegation. Asked whether that meant that Mr. Cain had physically touched his client inappropriately, Mr. Bennett said “I can’t get more specific” but added that “I can say it is corroborating.”
Mr. Bennett also said that a woman named Sharon from Chicago left a message on his answering machine over the weekend saying that she, too, had been the subject of harassment at the hands of Mr. Cain. Mr. Bennett said he called her back to suggest that he could arrange for her to come forward confidentially, but that she said that she would think about it.
After watching the news conference, Mr. Bennett said: “I guess she got over her shyness.”
Jury verdict in the Michael Jackson Manslaughter Trial!
Dow dropping!
POTUS holds a Rose Garden presser on jobs for vets — before leaving the country…again.
Oh, and then there’s this:
Allred wouldn’t let the press ask Bialek any questions. She says Bialek is not filing any claim against Cain or the NRA. She adds that Bialek approched her, but is not interested in selling her story.
Where was she when Cain ran for the Senate? Lots of suspicions. This whole car episode doesn’t make sense. And if this did happen, he didn’t think it would surface? She’s unemployed, but doesn’t want to sell her story, but hires Allred. If Cain were a womanizer, his behavior would not change over time. I just don’t get this blip of alleged activity.
WRT Cain’s run for Senate: I live in TN and never heard of Cain’s Seate run. I see no reason not to assume that Ms. Bialek never spoke up during that campaign because she, too was unaware of his candidacy.
FWIW, I like Cain and hope this all comes out as hogwash, but I also believe in fairness.
Reagan’s big tent is now a circus tent.
If the Republicans nominate Cain at this point, they have a death wish.
– “palatial” suite? Have only heard of “presidential”. Do they have “palatial” suites in Monaco? Did she see this so-called “palatial” suite?
Next up, old ‘light in the loafers’ Rick Perry. Can’t wait for that story to break. They don’t call him “old queen” down in Texas for nothing.
100+ Cain stories in Politico. Where are the Larry Sinclair stories? Donald Young’s murder? Larry Bland’s murder? Obama’s many visits to a gay bath house in Chicago where he enjoyed being “serviced” by older white men? Reggie Love’s duties?
“She says Bialek is not filing any claim against Cain or the NRA.”
Of course she’s not filing a claim. At some point she’d have to do a sworn deposition. As long as she’s just talking just to reporters, none of that silliness is needed!
Also, who gives a damn if Allred has 2 sworn statements from people who say this gal told them she was sexually harassed. If they were deposed, all we’d likely get is that she simply told them that Cain did this, but they probably “cannot recall” the details.
(for the record, I support Perry, not Cain, but dirty is still dirty)
just the fact gloria alred is in the fray is reason enough for me to know this is another democrat hatchet job, my God people she is one of the biggest YELLOW DOG democrats in the country I wouldn’t trust her in an outhouse with a muzzel on,
Then who is paying Allred? Bialek is a single mom with no job. If she’s not in it for the money or a book deal or something else, why is Allred involved? She won’t work for nothing.
Cain should stick it out–don’t retreat with his tail between his legs. I think this woman is FOS and for once, Republicans should tell MSM to shove it! I honestly feel like hitting the streets over this. I am so sick and tired of MSM going for the kill against only Republicans. And I literally don’t believe a word they say. We let them do this, and they are forever empowered for 2012 and can then shoot to kill at will whether true or false, right or wrong. Look at how they’ve protected Edwards and the others, look at what they did to Palin. look at how they’ve glossed over OWS. I will not fall prey to their evil anymore!
this chic looks like Stifler’s mom
Ugh. A sixty year old Polish lady with a Farrah Fawcett Flip. Gross.
Hoads, me too! I was not committed to Cain before this, but now I’m four square 100% for Cain.
Hoads I agree with you 150%. had I not been a CAIN supporter befor I am now. CAIN GINGRICH. thats the dream ticket,
Herman is guilty of being a powerful man.
This woman is guilty of bad judgment.
If you want to discuss employment opportunities. You make appointments in the daytime in professional settings.
This woman is looker and she knows she is a looker and she has used to looks to may her way in life.
Obviously, the line between a looker and hooker sometimes crosses but to her credit she was not a hooker or there would not be a story here.
Herman Cain is no Bill Clinton.
Bill Clinton used procurers to ask the ugly dog faced likes of Paula Jones to hotel room to assault him.
Herman did call this looker, she called him.
This is not sexual harassment, that CNN clown Jeffery Toobin said it was a sexual assault. Good luck with that because I do not think many prosecutors in America take this case if it happened among common Americans.
I give the woman credit she loves the camera as her employment record states and the camera still likes her even if she has some miles on her which is more than I can say about that witch Gloria Allred.
One point I agree with is that you NEVER conduct business in a hotel room. The only exception to that is if the room is a suite and there are others present.
AMEN NORM,nuff said. CAIN GINGRICH 2012!!!!
So Cain’s opponents are so desperate as to latch onto the Allred clown show?
If this isn’t true shouldn’t Cain initiate a lawsuit?
I was wondering the same thing. If there is no truth to this woman’s story, this incident would stand out as a striking display of slander. I wonder too how much $$ this woman made for her little appearance.
bobbcat did it occur to you that just maybe Herman Cain is a bigger man than that. especialy when he knows sueing for libel is just so much wasted time and money. you gotta remember she is a poor defenseless female? while Herman is a public figure. when I saw gloria alred was her attorny I knew then. this is just another one of the damned democratic party’s hatchet jobs,
“Public figure” libel is really, really hard to establish. It is almost unheard of in this Country.
It can be done if malice can be shown.
Wouldn’t involving Gloria Aldred be considered malice in and of itself?
S P you have a good point but I dont think the courts would look at that way. just the fact gloria alred is her attorny should make us all realise this is just another hatchet job by the damned democrats,
Sue her? She doesn’t have anything. And he’s an evil millionaire. If this didn’t happen, why keep it in the limelight?
Failing to file suit would either suggest that Cain is afraid of what might come out, or that his behavior left much to be desired. Sue for slander even if she is judgment proof, just to demonstrate that you are not afraid of what comes out at trial.
I really want to believe that this is a completely false claim. Cain needs to either sue, or withdraw from the race.
Libel suits are ridiculous in this country. The problem is, the slanderer is considered the accused. They do not have to prove their story. The plaintiff has to prove the negative.
Furthermore, it allows the slanderer to go on a fishing expedition. They subpoena all sorts of things, like diaries, financial records, in order to make their case. They are not required to prove their allegations based upon what they actually knew at the time. This is why rags like the Star and such can do what they do with such impunity. It’s not because of the 1st Amendment protections, but because of how effed up our legal system is.
Marc you are so right. and just the fact that one of the biggest yellow dog democrats in the world is her attorny makes me know this is just another one of the democratic party’s hatchet jobs, CAIN GINGRICH in 2012,
“…clear foreign policy vision…”
Since when? Or is that “clear” as in “nothing there?” Cain has some interesting economic ideas, but his grasp of foreign affairs is, to put it kindly, weak.
and Phineas I suppose you think obama has the greates grasp of foriegn policy of anyone???
The story doesn’t wash. The parts about the upgrade in a well-known hotel, and meeting her there just don’t make sense. Someone who wanted to take advantage of a woman would cover his tracks better than that.
Even if the story made sense, having Allred with her takes away all credibility.
Hard to tell whether this might have any impact on independents. The drip drip drip might change some minds that would otherwise give Cain a chance.
Cain’s complete denial without details is good. It leaves no scab to pick at.
Isn’t it logical that some reporter would ask for a receipt from the hotel or reveiw the hotel’s records? What are the odds of that happening? But if something does show up that places the woman in the hotel on the day in question, it won’t be good.
Disagree. The woman seemed totally credible to me. I have admried other posts of yours, proreason, but you are off base here. My guess is there will be more corroboration inthe days to come. As has been said elsewhere, conservatives are lucky this is coming out now instead of next October when it would have reelected Obama.
Most liars seem credible until you ask them a question. Those who believe before questions are generally gullible.
I certainly could be wrong, but it seems to me that what this lady has described are the actions of a practiced adulterer. Later in the thread, some posters challenge the physical aspects of it, which seem reasonable to me.
What I’m challenging is why Cain would have so obviously left a trail. Upgrading the room, meeting her at the hotel, taking her out to a one-on-one dinner. None of that seems consistent with someone who didn’t want to get caught. Of course, there are some people who wouldn’t much care or who would be arrogant enough to think they could talk their way out of an accusation. If that was true, I would have expected that Cain would have been almost instantly identified as such a person. It’s pretty hard to keep that under wraps for long, and Cain was at least somewhat in the public eye for many month’s now.
Wherever I have been, the players have always been well known. It isn’t just a few people who know about it…everybody knows about it. Cain’s reputation doesn’t fit with his being a player. Could be wrong, since we really don’t know much about him, but if he is, the sky is going to begin raining women in the next couple of weeks.
I didn’t find the woman’s story to be stong enough to overcome what I’ve just said, and the prior stories haven’t been backed up.
With what is currently public, I don’t find the accusations compelling.
“who would be arrogant enough to think they could talk their way out of an accusation.”
Like Slick Willie? I want to believe this is a lie, but one of the signs of compulsive behavior is doing things that you know are going to bite you later.
“Slick Willie”: Clinton’s nickname. Everyone knew it. That right there is solid support for proreason’s post.
Cain does not strike me as the Narcissist that Clinton is. He has many upright people vouching for his character. No one has some scurrilous nickname for him. No one vouched for Clinton’s character. They knew he was a dog.
Wait, wait-really?
Does this mean we can start making lynching jokes? B/c the start of any lynching anything was a black guy makes a mild pass at a white woman. And this woman is describing a very rough, uncouth pass. I’m not saying guys don’t make crude passes at girls- but, honestly- take a gander at the rapist in chief’s methods- which would be how Bill Clinton manhandled various women- and this?
I’m not seeing how a tightly wrapped black guy in a majority-white environment, where he knows he’s got to be on his best behavior to keep his job- grabs a woman’s parts. While she’s dressed professionally? So, he’s got to grab through a bunch of pantyhose? Anybody who’s been on an after-work date knows the mechanics of that– you don’t try that twice. If you’re interested- you’re grabbing the waistband, not the crotch. For that matter- wasn’t the nineties the time of spandex in wool suiting- how’s his hand getting up there? That’s one seriously determined guy. Did she watch the DVR of Don Draper giving it to the comedian’s wife at a restaurant?
And- if he’s pulling her head down? Why is his zipper up? Did they just stand there? Is there a chair in this scenario? A wall? Something? Has anyone a cable-tv porn director on tap? B/c the blocking on this is not making sense to me at all. Susie Bright did a pretty respectable take down of Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas. Linda Fairstein could weigh in.
Not even a pick- up line? Not one little ” how do you feel about a man with my complexion movin’ in your direction?” Not one little ” coffee and sugar?” not a “kiss it”? not a boob-grab first? Nothing? Straight for a crotch grab? For real? Not even one ” You like it like that?”
Can we get a survey of harassment moments? There’s always some weird line where the guys trying to see if the girl likes it. No clue why- checking to see if the porn videos are true? She really wants you- she’s seen you every day for a year, and can barely stand not touching you? Something? For better or worse, even total assmonkeys try to care in some fashion.
Seriously- we have word by words of all sorts of compromising moments in public men’s lives. Catalogues of powerful men making weak approaches to unsuitable women. Do any of them sound like this?
ari, we forget, this is not for our consumption. Allred, et al are not at all concerned about the contradictions, illogicalness, farcicalness of any of this. They’re target is the black vote–they need that 98% for 2012. And what better way than to trot out a white woman–a he said, she said against a black man. No witnesses or evidence required– only a good amount of salaciousness to make headlines and solicit an emotional response. Even if not true, the visual image cannot be retracted. We are dealing with pure evil.
That is a very good point! If I had been prosecuting O.J., and had that black, mostly female jury, everything about my case would have been about, “what was this fine, rich black man doing with that white b*(ch?” I’d have trashed the blonde haired wh*(e and O. J. for keeping her. GUILTY!
So, I’m not buying that Cain is as pure as the driven snow; few powerful men are, but the white girl thing works really well for partisan Democrat politics.
okay, so I just watched the video again. a barbie comes to town, she gets an upgrade on her room- and he’s making a pass in the car? he’s not asking to see if the drapes are the right color? He’s not asking to see if her bed needs turning down? They meet at the bar, they drink. He’s not asking to see the room? Then they go to dinner, a nice dinner, and he asks why she’s there? she says I want a job. he drives her by the office, and parks in front? He grabs her in the car? They’re both wearing seatbelts, right? What am I missing? Is this an automatic, or a stick-shift? How do you grab when both of you are in seatbelts? hand up the skirt? The car is parked? Why is his zipper not down already, if he’s got intentions?
I’m not saying guys don’t make passes. I’m just not seeing why he’s allegedly making this pass in public, in a car, when there’s a perfectly good hotel room with an upgrade, with an in-room bar so she can get totally plastered, and thenn laid out on the bed- right there!
And again, is she not mentioning any flirting? She’s claiming he’s putting out the A-game- drinks, steaks, nice rooms- and then this really crude pass? One of these things is not like the other.
I have believe Herman has better game than that. That was a Clinton style pass at best.
If the accuser’s story is accurate, he kind of did check to see if the drapes were the right color.
Hoads, how is this an appeal for the black vote? When I first heard of this story, my first thought was To Kill a Mockingbird, and some ditsy white girl saying “all I did was ask him to come upstairs just to bust up that ole’ chifforobe”. This is playing to WHITE wymmyns’ fears of self-assured black men who aren’t content on the Democrat plantation.
doesn’t make sense that way.
Go home, Jeb
Obama can’t have any blacks wandering off the plantation. For the first time ever, a conservative black man is soaking up national attention in a presidential race. Many blacks, especially younger ones– have NEVER even heard a conservative black speak. Sure there are other black conservatives out there, but not since Clarence Thomas’ hearings has a black conservative opened nightly news or made headlines on the front page. Therefore, CAIN. MUST. BE. GONE. Off the national stage and black ears must not hear anything that may penetrate their idealization of the first U.S. Black President. Thus, witness the high stakes leftist charade concocted to take down this man. They cannot leave anything to chance.
He made a move on her. what a dog!
OK. All the guys who would have made a move on that beautiful blonde woman step over here………………….
wait, wait you’re tilting the blog…go back.
The short list of so-called red blooded flag waving social conservatives that would NOT have put the moves on her considering that she made the appointment in what seemed an effort for her BF to pimp her out.
Mitt Romey
Gomer Perry
Rick Santorum
Ron Paul
John Huntsman
Newt Gingrich He wouldn’t have because he knew she was out of his league.
Michelle Bachman She would’nt have but the thought my have crossed her deep subconscious mind.
Dr. Ron Paul would have had her schedule a GYN appointment.
Gomer Perry would have invited her to go out shootin’ coyotes.
Huntsman would have asked her if she wanted to meet the band.
Mitt Romney would have asked her if she wanted to see his special underware.
Mitt Romney would have asked her if she wanted to see his special underware.
With the understanding that any physical contact that might ensue would be strictly missionary and such contact would require her to secretly become his sixth wife.
“Bialek says she didn’t file a complaint because she didn’t work for the NRA.” If your harassed in the way she say’s, why would you not go to the authorities immediately?
Correct! If anything that makes it easier as there’s no fear of retaliation within your own organization.
Everything but the pubic hair on the coke can.
Where are all the liberals who were saying that Anthony Weiner should get the benefit of the doubt? And Al Gore?
Oh.
Of course there was evidence in the Weiner case.
White woman’s accusation is all the evidence they need.
So let me get this straight. When Bill Clinton was accused of attacking women in 1992, it was no big deal because he was a Democrat. Now Cain is being attacked non stop for allegations that he “made unwanted sexual advances” to women and he should be destroyed. The fact that he’s a black Republican has “nothing” to do with it, of course. At this rate, it’s a wonder ANY Republican wants to run for president.
To qualify as “sexual harassment” the incident has to take place in the workplace or between employer & employee.
This individual had left the restaurant association and no longer worked there when the meeting with Cain allegedly took place, so technically there would have been no course of action 14 years ago.
Wrong – any unwanted sexual touching is illegal, and will get you branded a sex offender – if proved.
What a load of crap from Allred and her Gennifer Flowers look-alike bimbo. Get lost.
If there was any doubt that this web site is partisan beyond all reason, this thread is proof.
My God!
The attitude “the worst of us is better than the best of you” is the definition of tribalism. This is just the attitude that make the middle east a shit-hole.
You should all be asking yourselves how you’ve all fallen this far together. What happened to society?
Put a sock in it and take your phony indignation over to the Daily Kos or Arianna’s place, if it still exists.
Ha ha, a commenter on freerepublic thinks that google must be doctoring the searches to make it look like she’s a Republican.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2803781/posts?q=1&page=1#1
Oh God
What happened to society?
Progressivism.
Progressivism
Ok, explain this to me. How does “progressivism” make Republicans support assault?
So he’s already guilty in your partisan mind, because you’re a Libbie who voted for Clinton who lied on national TV about his affair, then under oath, which is a felony. Get lost, clown.
clown |kloun|
noun
1 a comic entertainer, esp. one in a circus, wearing a traditional costume and exaggerated makeup.
• a comical, silly, playful person : I was always the class clown.
• a foolish or incompetent person : we need a serious government, not a bunch of clowns.
2 (archaic) an unsophisticated country person; a rustic.
At this point he has three accusers, and his lobby group paid two of them a whole years salary (which he’s lied about).
No matter how much smoke there isn’t a fire,eh?
Also you don’t know who I voted for (I didn’t vote for Clinton for other reasons) and it wouldn’t affect the validity of the argument. Who’s a damn clown?
For a “scholar” you’re pretty ignorant about evidence and anecdote.
Josh Scholar sexually assaulted me in 1997! Proof? What proof?! I don’t need any proof, you fascist right-wing racist zionist devils! It’s true because I said so!
Go find some common sense you ignorant farm animal.
WHOA zealot. dont go insulting the farm animals,
Let me know when you find any evidence of assault. Her testimony is self contradictory, and is evidence of perjury (given that affidavits are involved).
And I say perjury, before considering her selection of perjury coach.
Yeah, right,there’s no blind, stupid partisanship on the left side of the ditch; you guys have no problem defending murderers and rapists as long as they’re “good people,” which means Leftists. You have no place to stand in this discussion.
Uhm your sexual morality is not contingent on whether some or all Democrats are moral.
In other words a tu quoque argument is not moral defensible.
Also making a personal attack on me is not valid.
If the bunch of you are really taking the stance that you don’t care if your president is a sexual predator as long as he’s a conservative, then my original charge of tribalism is proved.
I’m not defending Cain. I’m reasonably certain he did something untoward. That said, the Democrats would be canonizing him were he a Democrat. You people are total hypocrites. And if you’re inclinded to deny that you can explain Mary Jo Kopechne, Barney Franks’ f&*k boys, Slick Willie’s cigars and c*m stains, oh, Hell, I can go on for awhile. There’s no reason to talk to you people you simply have no self-awareness.
you forgot Weiner’s weiner… and I think there’s another just being reported
You’re right Josh: Obama says he sent checks to people in need of money and it’s the greatest lie ever told according to PJM, which sticks like remora pedants to an exact wording and dismisses other forms of payment such as proxies, charities, etc.
If Obama was Cain these boys would be running up a slip knot. Semantic gibberish on top of perceptual gibberish adds up to “tribe.”
I’m not being tribal. I’ve been on the business end of enough guys dropping trou to appreciate the art form. I’m not doubting that the woman at the microphone spent most of her life getting hit on by men. I’m just doubting this particular instance, b/c I’m not hearing a few things that are verifiable from any when any other powerful middle-aged guy hits on a younger woman. I’m not hearing any clever verbal pass. Some executive level guy who thinks he’s about to get some good strange- he’s kind of giggling, and in a good mood, and saying silly stuff. I haven’t heard one single silly, giddy, goofy pass. I haven’t heard a ridiculous pickup line. Do you think I just made up the ones I used? And- he’s middle-aged. What fortysomething guy tries to make out in his car? NONE! NONE! Most women can’t even get their husbands to give it up in the car like the good old days when they were in college on a road-trip. So, here’s a middle-aged guy who just paid for a fancy hotel room, with a half-drunk chick, who’s making the pass now, when she can still talk, in the car?
Drinks at bar, nice dinner, hotel room, crude pass in car. One of these things is not like the other. I’d be more for it all if she said he walked her to her room, and then came in for another drink. I might even believe it if there was some memorable little verbal tag. You want a job? is not verbal foreplay. And for better or worse, even at rape trials, there’s usually some sort of weird verbal foreplay. For that matter, I think I’d believe it more if he had his zipper down, as a detail. I’m not sure how he thinks she’s going to fumble around in the car and get his zipper down. There’s a steering wheel in the way. Did he move his car seat back? and then talk to her? She’s got details. She just doesn’t have details that add up, for me.
He wouldn’t be the first middle-aged guy who had the young hottie in the passenger seat start peeling her clothes off and say, “F&*K ME.” It’s really hard to drive a car with a naked woman between you and the wheel. It ain’t your grandfather’s world we live in.
EWWWW.
in your dreams.
EWWWWW.
It happens; know it for a fact. You’re dealing with women these days who started watching porno on the internet when they were 12 or so; it ain’t your grandfather’s world!
So Cain is the dominant type not the goofy type. Is that so surprising?
Anyway what I’m hearing is in this thread is that Republicans don’t actually have sexual morals anymore, but you’re totally hypocritical about it. I’m not surprised.
Yes it’s tribal.
If Fox news and the pundits put all their effort into it, they just might be able to keep you hypnotized long enough to get a predator elected. I don’t think they’ll all agree to do that, but I think you Republicans have become so closed off and tribal that you’d do that.
And I think that’s how societies become hell-holes of sectarian tribalism. That’s how you make a Lebanon.
That’s how liberal democracy is replaced with democracy only in name, with corruption. That’s how, instead of Iraq becoming like us, we become like them.
OK, lefty punk, you’ve become tiresome. You Democrats own hypocrisy. We’ll call Mary Jo Kopechne as our first witness, and we have a lot more to collaborate her testimony.
There are some people here who are being as stupid as the run of the mill lefty, but nevertheless; if there is evidence that Cain engaged in that conduct, he will be eliminated as a contender for the Republican nomination. You hypocrites would canonize a Democrat under the same circumstances. QED
So much doesn’t add up, and given Allred’s involvement it appears that it’s a political hack job. The mere allegation without proof is sufficient to damage his campaign. Cain said he was ready for a high tech lynching, well sir, they are fitting you for a rope and throwing over the tree limb. Your move. If Cain can, he needs to punch back hard and fast to rebut this attack.
Hypocritical? How? I’m trying to figure out how this pass could have happened. She’s editing a lot of what got said- b/c there is some sort of verbal play coming from the guy. The older, more successful, the more buttoned up- the more awkward and kind of weird. But- nothing gets said, she said. Guys make passes. It’s what they do. It’s enough of an art form to get its own play: Romeo’s homeboys are smutty little gits.
Second off: he’s in what sort of car? Is he in a front-bench car? Did he undo his seatbelt? How’s he going to reach over the axle-bump if it’s a low-slung car, or the seatbox which nice cars have where people keep their pens and breath mints, or,now, cupholders? So, is it a front-bench car, and has this amazing steering wheel gets out of people’s way? So, his hand is going sideways and back? Up a skirt? and onto her parts?
I’m not saying he’s a saint, and never said anything to anyone. I’m saying, this is weird. Was he making this odd, crude pass on the theory she’d invite him up to her room?
And, again, how does he get his right hand up her skirt, and on to her parts? It’s washington- is she wearing pantyhose, right? She’s professional, right? Pantyhose squishes up enough stuff- you know, all the bank robbery movies? How would he know what he was grabbing? and why would he grab it, if he’s ever been on the business end of a panty-hose covered crotch ( he’s married, right? they go to church? she’s dressed up and proper? they married in 68? He’s had his hands on panty-hose covered goods, I’d bet) He doesn’t know he’s not grabbing the top of her thighs, or some unanatomically correct Barbie parts. Why do you think Victoria’s Secret did land-grant business in thigh high hose?
I’m not saying he’s a saint. I’m not saying she’s a saint. I’m saying I don’t believe this particular instance of lame-osity-ness. Helpless, quivering, half-drunk girl gets a car pass by super-genius of girly-parts finding? who can’t think, hey, let me walk you to your room? Can we drink and talk about the possibilities? What are you interested in- oh, let me freshen your drink? Oh, tell me more? you sound thirsty.
he was middle-aged. doesn’t he worry about twisting his back while in the car?
So for you it is “Guilty till Proven Innocent.” as to Cain? Since when does accusation equal guilt? And you are accusing conservatives of being unfair?
You need to check in with MoveOn for better talking points. Leftist multiculturalism is what has pushed America toward tribalism, so your accusation is really, really weak. Please ask your supervisor for assistance.
Republicans have morals. We just don’t believe you, or your chosen weapon.
“don’t believe us or our chosen weapon”
Yep, tribal paranoia. After years of senseless, limitless demonizing everyone in America but yourselves, you really thing you’re surrounded by monsters. Dummy.
And you know what, Cain wasn’t important enough for anyone to perjure themselves over, he didn’t have much chance of winning.
But, Josh, he was leading the Republican polls and Obama was trailing “anyone who isn’t Obama” in polls. How do you get “didn’t have much chance of winning” from that? If he was Thaddeus McCotter, I could understand what you’re saying, but Cain was leading in the polls and especially worrisome because he was a black Republican, which MIGHT have affected black voting in this and future elections.
I think you took a wrong turn in Albuquerque. You want to go to Chucky’s Playhouse. littlegreenfootballs.com
You’ll be happier there with all the OWS hippies.
Josh, if this web site is so hopelessly partisan, then why is one of its premiere writers calling on a full fledged investigation of Cain and exhorting his fellow conservatives to dump him without pity if any of the allegations are proven true?
http://pjmedia.com/andrewklavan/2011/11/07/why-we-should-be-unfair-to-herman-cain/
You try to pose as such a knowledgeable, fairminded, worldly scholar, wedded to the notions of truth and the pursuit of logic. Yet, at the first opportunity, you commit one of the most basic logical fallacies – the hasty generalization. Based on some (not all) posters in a single thread on just one of a myriad of right leaning web sites, you grandly declare that all Republicans have lost their sexual morality.
From scant evidence, a grand conclusion. My guess is that “Josh Scholar” is actually “Josh Sophomore,” pseudo-intellectual blowhard.
And, yes, that is a personal attack.
If any of that’s true, Cain really didn’t understand getting laid in today’s political world. Some significant percentage of the women in any political job or seeking such a job are well versed in the horizontal career move. They’re also smart and cynical enough to file a sexual harassment complaint against you if it doesn’t work out, and maybe even if it does; you might be a rival. So, here’s an after-action analysis for Cain and a primer for any of you budding playahs:
The woman must always be the agressor! If she wants something and thinks an appeal to Mr. Happy might get it for her, she’ll approach you. Take her to dinner to discus it and she’ll get drunk, or at least act drunk, enough that any reasonably chivalrous man will offer her a ride, a room, something. So you take her to your apartment, boat, room, and be as totally gentlemanly as you know how; DON’T GRAB HER BREASTS OR HER CROTCH! Be nice like Patrick Swayze in “Roadhouse.” Put her to bed WITH HER CLOTHES ON. Act like you’re leaving. Even if Mr. Happy is screaming “F*&K HER” at you, ignore him; he’s stupid. Now you have a choice; you can actually leave her there and go home with it in your hand or you can kill a little time and talk to her “drunken” self until she attacks you – and she will.
So then, you have options. You can basically claim something like “I was raped” if it gets out; nobody will really believe you but it will make her look bad. You can deny it until just forced to give it up and then you apologize first to your wife and promise her everything you have so she’ll appear beside you, and then you just go play the weak, stupid man who fell for the vixen. Most women no matter how bad they really are don’t want the bad girl reputation, so weak, stupid man overcome by Vagina Power works pretty good; just watch TV awhile if you doubt how weak and stupid men are.
Above all, don’t be overcome by hubris and think that just because you’re rich and powerful, or just powerful, they’ll give it up without risk to you. If you think like that, you get to answer the same dumb questions Herman Cain is facing right now.
I’ll give this some credence if there is a shred of evidence, for instance is there a record of Cain hooking her up in the apartment or the upgrade? Of course that doesn’t prove the events occurred, but at least it is something. It would help if this wasn’t coming from a client of Ms. Totally Red, she has pretty much shot all her credibility. Also this is a fired if not disgruntled employee. I need a lot more, sorry.
From liberals, all we heard about Billy C following dalliances in the Oral office, even after his own admission (under oath) that he’d cheated on Hillary with “hundreds” of women, was that it was just sex and no big deal.
And that there was no relationship between public responsibilities and private…sports.
The bent so called mainstream media largely ignored the John Edwards story. It was up to the National Enquirer to get that out.
Politico has done close to 100 Cain Dalliance stories in just the past week.
Why hire a lawyer, much less this lawyer, if she isn’t looking to get paid? Lawyers don’t come cheap.
She did NOT hire Gloria Allred.
When it comes to trying to take down populist conservatives , Democrats such as Gloria Allred work pro bono.
Just as the lamestream media does free opposition research and offers free air time to destroy populist candidates such as Herman Cain.
Ah, I hadn’t thought of that. Does Allred need the free publicity? Or perhaps she is just reveling in the pain it’s causing?
The made-for-tv movie will appear on Oprah Winfrey’s network
just as soon as they can get it cobbled together(probably starring
Casey Anthony and Morgan Freeman).
Casey? Nah. Women hate her (with good reason). Maybe Lindsay Lohan if she can stay out of trouble long enough.
Look! It’s Stifler’s mom!
Seriously! If Gloria Allred is involved you know it’s a scam.
great minds think alike.
as soon as I saw this on Drudge I was thinking the same thing
re: “the three known accusers”
Did I miss something over the weekend? Did we get names and details that weren’t spread anonymously through sources willing to speak on the records and give their names?
So basically, at worst he made a pass as a woman 15 years ago. Yowza!
Why did she read the entire statement?
Why did she have to read the entire statement?
Well, when you don’t have time to memorize the entire script, you gotta read it.
Can’t let her go offroading on this thing.
I have another take on this…she is going to get canned, she tells Cain she needs to talk to him. He said, sure we can talk on our way back to the hotel. She wants to keep her job, she thinks Cain can help, so she did what any “self respecting” woman who is sure of her allure…she lowers her head, offers him a “service, he declines, she’s canned anyway and viola, a thirst for vengeance. She can’t bring up false charges at the time, but NOW…the time is ripe for ruin. Beautiful plan…let’s see if it works or will some intrepid reporter get the investigative fever and ferret out the truth…I’m not holding my breath. Oh, I’m a lady, but I know how my sex can operate. Don’t doubt me on this one.
So, Allred finds someone to stand in front of a camera and bad mouth a republican candidate. Wow, this is news?
You folks didn’t see what she did to Meg Whitman by dragging up a disgruntled, fired, illegal alien that Whitman hired from an employment agency? In a state where it’s illegal to ask about the legal status of a job applicant?
THANK YOU MS. ALLRED! Once again you are at the front of justice! I’m just amazed at how you always seem to get those clients who are the victims of powerful people. No matter what public the controversy, you’re right smack-dab in the middle of it, ready to put the gloves on! You’re a credit to good yellow book advertising!
And as for that PERVERT CAIN! The evidence is in, you lousy Cheneyites! No doubt now, your guy is a pervert! He asked this Bialek gal back to his room! That’s right, Pervert Cain committed an unpardonable sin of disgraceful harassment. He’s one step from being a full-blown rapist! Disgusting! I guess you’re stuck with Romney in ’12. Ha! GO OBAMA! Peace with Venezuela!
nice bit of sarcasm
“He asked this Bialek gal back to his room!”
Don’t recall she said that in her statement, lovely.
She is a registered republican. She saw him again at a Tea Party event! Some leftist. The settlement for one of the other women was a years salary- again she got paid a years salary to keep quiet. Corporations do not, and cannot, make those kinds of settlements on totally baseless claims- they’d be out of business.
Now there is no question that anyone who is familiar with the corporate world knows that there are many BS harassment and/or discrimination charges that are brought forth just to cover up bad work or to make a undeserved buck. However there are also many legitimate charges. And I think that when you have multiple charges brought against the same person- charges that had to be legally settled- I think it is more than likely that the person in question has a problem. For more on that you might google Clinton, Bill.
Then his questionable behavior would have continued.
This woman never reported anything. He was NOT her boss (so harrassment doesn’t jibe) – so then what have you got? Gloria Allred. That’s enough for me to think it’s a farce.
If the year’s salary was $35,000 it wouldn’t have taken long for lawyer’s fees to exceed that number even if it was baseless. What would that take, like 2 weeks of billable time for 2 kids right out of law school? $35k is nothing.
If the is a resident of Illinois, she’s not a registered Republican. Illinois voters do not register as ‘Republicans’ or ‘Democrats.’ When voting in primaries, voters simply request a Republican or Democratic ballot from the election judges at the polling place.
If Ms. Bialek claims to be a Republican, there’s really no way to verify that she’s telling the truth. It’s true that she has recently been employed by the Chicago affiliate of the conservative Salem Radio Network (home of Bill Bennett, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt, etc.), and that she did purportedly confront Mr. Cain backstage at a recent radio station-sponsored Glen Beck/Tea Party rally. But none of that is proof of her actual political leanings, or motivation for taking her story public.
In general, she appears to be fairly credible. And without knowing what actually happened on that night back in ’97, her story isn’t that hard to buy. But her affiliation with Gloria Allred should automatically raise questions about her motivation.
Technically, one does not have to register with a party to become affiliated with a party in Illinois.
But Illinois is a closed primary state and if you vote in the primary you will become publicly affiliated with party of which you requested the primary ballot.
If she voted in any Illinois primary, her party affiliation is a matter of public record.
As a side note there is really no such animal in Illinois as a conservative Republican.
The Republicans went RINO as far back as Charles Percy and before him Everett Dirksen. Ray LaHood is a so called Republican in Barry’s cabinet. Bob Michael and Olgivie did Reagan dirty at the 1976 convention.
Peter Fitzgerald may have been the exception but there have been a lot more George Ryans than Peter Fitzgeralds.
Allred represented Amber, Scott Peterson’s paramour.
She also represented Meg Whitman’s maid while Whitman was running for governor of CA, the maid who had worked for Whitman’s family for a very long time who was let go when they found out she was in the country illegally.
I never understood Allred’s role there, although I think it’s safe to say the brouhaha surrounding the maid helped tank Meg Whitman’s candidacy for governor.
Which may have been Allred’s point.
That was the entire point — tank Whitman and get Brown elected.
I am sure that some clever reporter can access the records of the Capitol Hilton in DC to confirm whether Cain stayed there at the time alleged and whether the lady had her room upgraded at that time as claimed….
No mention that Cain was staying at the same hotel were made in the statement.
Get a grip on yourselves. You guys are letting your love for Cain cloud your reason. I liked him a lot too. He’s incredibly charming. So was Bill Clinton to many people. You want to refuse to believe it? Fine. But it’s absolutely nothing like the Clarence Thomas case, where no one else came forward and it was simply a matter of crude jokes and Clarence Thomas addressed it in excruciating detail. In this situation, Cain is doing exactly what Clinton did. The fact that that tactic worked for Clinton should not make it any more ok for Cain. It was a terrible distraction for our country, just as this will continue to be. If conservatives want to be the voice of morality and family values, then they have to uphold a higher standard than liberals. Don’t cede all that for a charismatic leader because once you do, you can’t get it back for a very long time. And none of you knows the truth about what happened. None of us ever will. All you are going on are your feelings.
“All you are going on are your feelings.”
On whose authority do you try to speak for an entire online forum of posters? You are doubtless right about the notion that the truth here will never be known, particularly from the biased media shills for the left who are doing their damndest to derail Cain’s chances of garnering the Republican nomination for POTUS. This sort of stinking dirty pool is far worse, IMHO, than any of these allegations of sexual misconduct being lodged against Cain.
I’m for Perry. I’m irritated than anyone would vote for someone other than Perry. However, this is ridiculous. Prima facia ridiculous. And I think I need to speak up,b/c the basically nice people here might not have ever worked out the mechanics of how a man makes a pass at some hot strange. I’m saying a middle-aged guy in a car, when he’s paid for a hotel room, is unbelievable. And that he didn’t stop at the bra-strap first, or a button on the shirt, is just oddissimus. and somehow his hand is supposed to go completely backwards while she’s sitting down in the car, enough for him to get his hands up on her parts? Then he’s encouraging her- and there’s a steering wheel in the way?
There are whole comedy bits in movies on all the odd and awkward contortions completely willing people have to go through, to get to physical intimacy in a car, and none of that is in this narrative.
Look at where the moral high ground gets us—NOWHERE. And this is what the Left and the media exploits–our moral imperatives. We are at war here and have to learn to be as tactical as the Left. I, for one, say FU media–you do not hold the power you think you do and we will go head to head and push back. The left defended Clinton’s actions. We are calling the accuser and the media what they are –LIARS!! and are defending Cain’s integrity from an evil, rapacious Left. What happens when the media realizes they’ve lost half the country? They become more shrill and ultimately self-destruct.
Cain is like Bubba? Sure. Get back to me when someone has a fat lip or a white stain on a blue dress.
You’re right Carol. The Cainaanites have totally given away the moral high ground. Also, this is nothing like Clarence Thomas. And, Clarence Thomas was treated much, much better than Robert Bork.
Ted Kennedy said at the Bork confirmation hearings: “Robert Bork’s America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens’ doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens.” All of this was a lie. But, the Cainaanites have adopted Clarence Thomas’s very misguided term “high tech lynching.”
…and of course, if the (Chappadiqui)dick said it was so…..
What would it take buy off a false woman accuser like this? How about a nice little retirement nest egg sitting in an alias Cayman Island bank account- Full scholarship at a top university for a now 13 year old. Anything is possible and this is the depths of the rot within our political system. Investigators need to be on this trail.
Herman has no defense for these allegations because he doesn’t need a defense even if they are true which I doubt since I believe her story was embellished.
She was no longer an employee. According to her they had only met previously three times.
She makes a cold call and volunteers where she was staying.
She is essentially asking Herman for a favor on the basis of a brief acquaintanceship.
Herman is capitalist.
He does not think she is deserving of a favor and requests a favor in return a quid pro quo.
Both are capitalists.
She is overvalues her smile and a flirtatious dinner.
Herman understands the marketplace and believes a smile and flirtations by an obviously sexy and attractive woman are not enough to provide a job.
He holds the line and the woman realizes she has overvalued her charms and will have to do the dirty deed to get a job.
The problem here is the stupidity of the woman. She is attractive and she had to know she was putting herself in a situation where something other than her smile was going to be expected since the meeting was not in a professional setting.
Obviously she overestimated herself and her ability to get a job in this situation without providing a sexual favor in return for the favor she was asking.
Currently listening to this Allred presser with this woman relating her story.
Funny how this woman conducted what was pretty much a job interview with Cain at an Italian restaurant. Also discussed was the alleged room upgrade. Nothing at all professional about this whatsoever.
I am inclined to think Art Chance may be onto something here (see #16): She was after a job & was willing to put out for it but something somewhere along the line went wrong. Just a theory but I am still not convinced that any of this really happened.
Ugh. Anything that has Gloria Allred associated with it smells bad. At the same time, Cain has been a massive distraction. Nothing about his campaign suggests that it has been serious. We need to stop paying any attention at all to this fake presidential candidate and get behind someone who can actually run a competent campaign and beat Obama. Perry, Romney, Bachman, Huntsman and Paul are serious. Mr. Cain is not, never was.
Bryan – You say the following: “She says Cain hooked her up with a “palatial suite” in Washington, D.C. Cain told her later that he had arranged for the “upgrade.” ” I assume the palatial suite was in a hotel. I would think that, that part of the story should be verifyable. Has anyone tried to verify that?
The hotel would have to have to have kept records of the booking and the upgrade.
It was 14 years ago.
Don’t worry. Gloria has the hotel records already. That is how the game is played.
Of course the hotel records give no insight at all into what happened, or didn’t happen in the car. We have to look at physics there. If Cain was 16, it would make sense. He wasn’t. It doesn’t make sense.
I always find articles about this kind of story and the accompanying comments interesting because of how revealing they are about what each writer wants to believe.
The only fact in this story is that only Cain and Bialek know what happened. We are learning nothing about that but are learning about patterns of bias and prejudice and how powerful wishful thinking passed off as reality is in a person’s world view.
So a woman tells Cain about a hotel she is staying at and offers to meet him at the hotel bar for drinks. Seriously? And she’s shocked he made a pass? I would take those as so major signs.
That’s it? She should have been insulted if he hadn’t. Then she told him to stop and he did – so he’s no Clinton. That’s it really?
Now any man running for President has to admit to every woman he ever tried to pick-up? Whether he succeeded or failed? We are going to elect some real nerds (Obama / Romney) going forward.
– do you like “pepperoni”?
Do you want it on the pizza … or on the floor.
What is being perpetrated on Herman Cain is worse than what was done to Clarence Thomas.
At least Clarence Thomas could face his accuser in an official body known as the Senate Judiciary Committee.
And as treacherous a body as the Senate is, at least politicians understand that if they screw up they will have to eventually face the wrath of the voters.
This trial is a media inquisition.
And no one in office or who holds any authority is going to point out the unfairness of it.
The media got pissed. They spent a week trying to take Herman down with some old harassment charges that were at that worst not physical and characterized as “suggestive” and the citizenry not beholden to the elites spit in the media elite’s face with campaign contribution and favorable poll numbers for Herman.
They kicked it up notch.
They found some woman who could NEVER charge harassment because she had only met him three times and that was not really in the work place or where he was really her supervisor.
Maybe Herman did make the woman an that she was willing to refuse and Herman was willing to accept a refusal.
The media knew suggestive language or even a proposition would be laughed at, so they got the woman to come up with the physical stuff which seemed a bit contrived and out of context.
The story is a half truth at best.
In trying to do Herman harm last week they did the intended opposite.
From what I saw at the news conference, I suspect they again may have achieved their intended opposite.
This kinda crap has been going on for literally thousands of years. Sounds much to me like Potiphars wife and Joseph. If ya don’t remember that one from Sunday school, it’s Genesis 39.
The following exchange is at 1:13 on the video: Mr. Cain looked at me and said: “why are you here?” I said: “Actually, Herman, my boyfriend whom you met….”. If they just met and she wanted his help for a job, does calling this powerful and up till then unknown person by his first name make any sense? Not to me. Because of it the story sounds phony to me.
1. None of the allegations describe criminal behavior on Cain’s part. Such was not the case with Clinton, Ted Kennedy or Weiner.
2. This occurred 14 years ago. The alleged behavior occurred while Cain was still a private citizen and not in public service nor running for office. Even if true (which I have doubts) such conduct is in an entirely league than the in-office activities of Clinton, Weiner, Sanford, and various Kennedys.
3. The attacks on Cain carry more than a whiff of Obamas’s slander and destroy tactics he has used effectively in previous elections. I suspect Obama (and the Left generally) wants to run against the “fat-cat Wall Street blue blood” Romney, and they are just “helping” the Repubs select the preferred candidate by sliming credible alternatives.
I fully agree that our nominees should be held to a higher standard than those of the Left, but let’s not knee-cap ourselves by rejecting a good man whose flaws pale to those of our leftist opponents.
Are there any documents that can confirm or refute the allegations, e.g. Mr. Cain’s business datebook/itinerary for 1997, hotel receipts and records, etc.?
I guess it might be possible to prove she and Cain where even in the same zip code that night. Prove that he made a pass and got shot down? Nope, never. They are just throwing mud and waiting to see what sticks.
Please people, I implore you to do a personal exercise. Ask yourselves how you would feel about this if Herman Cain was a democrat. Be completely honest with yourselves. What you decide is no one’s business but your own, so there is no reason to lie to yourself. But you owe it to yourself to be scrupulously honest.
1) We know if Cain was Democrat that this story would have never seen the light of day unless there were eyewitnesses, a paper trail or a cause for a fall guy.
2) If Cain were a Democrat, this story would have been released at 7pm Friday evening–NEVER on a Monday.
3) If Cain were a Democrat, we would know of the roadblocks in the way to get the story to press and would know that by the time the story made it to press that he was, in fact, guilty as charged but the more salacious details would only be found on conservative internet.
Her story just doesn’t make sense.
By saying that Herman had upgraded the suite of someone he had only met three times suggests that Herman had sexual intentions.
If Herman did, why didn’t Herman say after dinner why don’t I take you back to your hotel and you can me give a tour of this “palatial” suite that I upgraded for you?
If that was Herman’s intent, then it is hard to believe he wasted time by taking her to his offices and then putting a physical move on her at his office. Herman seems like an old school guy with some class and if he was going to have sex it would have been in the room that he supposedly upgraded.
If Herman did put a physical move on her, it was in the room that she “claimed” that he upgraded for her.
But lawyers are all about crafting testimony and Allred could not allow it to be said that Herman had groped her client in the hotel suite because that suggests that any physical advances could not be unexpected.
Of course, this has nothing to do with the law because no legal action will ever come from it. She did not even undergo cross examination from the shills in the press and she will NEVER be put under oath and properly questioned.
Didn’t read all the comments so I don’t know if this has been mentioned. Let us night forget what would next happen if a similar woman had voiced such a charge against a prominent anti-American, progressive liberal. The commies would move heaven and earth investigating her and trying to discredit her.
Who is checking this woman’s background? What has she done since NRA? What did she do at the NRA? Before NRA? Does she belong to a union? Which one? Police record? Marriages? Arrests?
I don’t mean to be unsympathetic, I’m just urging that our investigators do as good a job as their investigators would do.
The commies are going to pull out all the stops on this one.
Whoa! Whoa! Dammit! Mr. Cain’s a cancer survivor! Period.
Finally, We The People have a hard and fast timeline = 1997.
This year, 2011, Mr. Cain admitted to having had stage 4 cancer and has been in remission.
Another recent cancer patient, said to be in remission, but succumbed in 2011 was Steve Jobs. His was more virulent and difficult to treat. After 5 years or so, it devastated his pancreas and liver.
So, Mr.Cain says he’s in remission for two years? Three? Let’s pick two years. That’s 2009. Using Mr. Job’s timeline for diagnosis and treatment of 5 years that takes Mr. Cain back to 2004…possibly. Depending on his type and he did say it was type four, cured in six months. Moves us back a while longer to 2003.
So, from 1997 to 2003, we’re to assume Mr. Cain wasn’t losing weight, feeling drained, tired and just beaten…yet he had this unsatiable libidinous sex drive, seeking to proposition and sexually harrass four young, harmless damsels in distress (seeking better employment advantages)?
A more plausible story is Mr. Cain, feeling constantly out of sorts (poor health) was battling poor appetite, drowsiness, loss of weight and other associated pre-cancerous symptoms he didn’t know about, or were so far off the radar screen, his medications were for treatment of symptoms and not causes. This often happens. As Steve Jobs has more than documented in his launching of the iPad, MAC and other laptop technology. Go back and check his videos. Check Bloomberg commentary on concern for Job’s gaunt looks and loss of weight.
So, Mr. Cain, as a very sick man, is expected to be this sexually, hyper-libidinous individual prowling around for damsels in distress,taking advantage of their plight by coaxing them to accept special favors in return for sexually contrived favors? Really? And Mr. Cain was heavily medicated? Really, now – That’s Special! Mr. Cain has to be President. Extraordinary! Super Human!!!!!
The stories don’t even rise to the Anita Hill”there was a pubic hair on a soda can he handed me,” of Justice Thomas’ hearings…that was a “techno-hanging” as ever there was one.
Mr. Cain’s doesn’t deviate from that established pattern…innuendo, lack of specifics, patently false statements and unabashed claim to 15 minutes of fame syndrome.
In conclusion; same ‘ol, same ‘ol.
Stand Firm, Stand Tall, Stand Proud (and keep your powder dry). Massive fraud ,as We The People are seeing unfold right before Our eyes, has befallen us. Vote massively in primaries and General Elections for a like Senate/Congress and Administration who Honor their Oath of Office to Defend and Protect We The People’s US Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights. God Bless America.
I congratulate you on apparently being blessed never to have known anyone with cancer since you just demonstrated the most unbelievable lack of knowledge about it I have ever encountered.
Good comment.
Mother with alzeimers, died in ten years.
Donor, volunteer For Children’s Cancer Treatment Centers of America 10 years.
Have a pretty good, first hand notion of both debilitating diseases.
So, now that that’s settled. Next question, please?
Update 11/08/11
Accuser interviewed on FoxNews.
1)Accuser said she knows Axelrod.
2)Accuser admitted that talking with Axelrod (probably at gym where they both worked out)about going public with this story – his suggestion.
3)Accuser admits to knowing (or living in) same apartment complex as Axelrod.
Who’s paying Gloria’s fees?
Timing: sure is strange it’s day before national elections. 11/07/11
Issues: Groping, nothing about critical, dire issues facing America’s future.
Objective: Remove Republican messages from voters mind. Focus on Administration’s “Republicans in Congress are blocking Obama’s initiatives” mantra.
Support: OWS, G-20, Eurozone problems.
Yep, politics as usual. Vote massively 11/08/11 because if We The People stay home (that’s what the left wants) they win. Obama gets re-elected.God Bless America.
Perhaps he needs to engage William Jefferson Clinton as a consultant
Gloria Allred is bringing out another crap story to discredit Republicans. If this accuser is really serious, why was she waiting for all this time? A palatial suite? Where is a suite like that in America? I have heard it in Saudi Arabia other monarchy system countries. She was employed by the association for less than six months and it is really hard to believe her story and the details. Republicans should come out strongly to fight this kind of issues otherwise there will be more such stories coming up especially from people like Allred who was able to produce an illegal immigrant that caused Meg Whitman the California election. Infact, Whitman was leading in all polls at that time and this could be another classic example.
Meg Whitman was never leading in the polls. Get real. She never had a prayer. She could have doubled the millions she spent and she still would have lost. People just didn’t like her.
The minute I heard Gloria Allred’s name I knew this would be another ‘pubic hair on the coke can’ episodes.
True or not true, the media ho’s will take this story all the way until next November. Cain has to give a convincing interview with a credible neutral interviewer (someone like Brit Hume). Otherwise , they’ll kill him with 1000 tiny cuts. Whoever the GOP nominee is, they can expect the scorched earth option from the media a-holes.
I think the best counterattack is to loose a couple thousand investigators on everyone that ever knew Obama anywhere, his old dope dealers,the Chicago bagmen, Larry Sinclair, whatever. Turn the election into a gutter knife fight if that’s what the left wants. Otherwise, they’ll win by default.
This one just sounds bogus, especially with Allred involved. I had concerns about the prior reports where actual claims were made and settelements paid, but this one is so over the top and so out of nowhere that it just reeks of someone wanting on the gravy train. A guy who would do this kind of thing would have a trail of bimbo eruptions similar to Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, and Chris Dodd. I just don’t see it.
So last week the story was that he made “non-spefific gestures”. When that didn’t bring Cain down they decided that the story is now that he ‘groped’ someone. right. This story smalls.
This is NOT a winning story for the media.
Faux News finally figured that out and did NOT carry the news conference live.
CNN’s coverage was interesting. Wolfie Blitzer is a pathetic shell of a shill and he will say whatever he believes pleases his masters. Jeffery Toobin is the lowest form of life as he is both a lawyer and a so-called journalist.
Gloria Borger felt a little bit betrayed by this sham of an event as she correctly pointed out that it was not sexual harassment because the woman was not employed and it was not in the workplace and she did not have the enthusiasm for the lynching as did the boys Blitzer and Toobin.
My point is that it takes the most rabid of journalists to keep this story alive.
They can be found on MSNBC.
Faux News is losing its appetite for this high tech lynching and on CNN there will be some like Borger who will carry on the attack but without enthusiasm.
Americans hate politicians but they hate the media more.
Americans believe in fairness.
The fact that Herman has been criticized for not being slick in defense has been more of a positive than a negative as the polls numbers have shown.
Here is a better clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgUSil2CQyA&feature=related
Atticus Finch, many of you are not.
Who knew Cain was the ideal DEMOCRAT Party candidate!
This whole thing seems orchestrated and rehearsed. A last ditch effort to bolster the previously failed empty attack. But now with the involvement of Gloria Alred this is obviously a hoax and a joke.
This is exactly what Gloria Allred tried to do to Arnold S. in the 2003 California governor’s race.
She sued Arnold on behalf of an alleged groping victim and later dropped the lawsuit.
It was a political hit – nothing more.
And that’s what this is.
If Allred had succeeded in eliminating Arnold, we would have elected Tom McClintock in 2003. McClintock would have done everything possible to reform California’s government. I would probably still have a job. Please, Arnold has groped half the women on the planet, fathered a child by his maid, and was brought to America by Joe Weider, a homosexual who does not help bodybuilders who do not service him.
The fact that Arnold has been shown to have likely been guilty of many gropings basically eliminates any bad faith in Allred’s attempt to discredit him.
How come no one said anything when he was at the bottom of the heap?
I can’t believe I missed this. I’m losing my edge. DWB. The last, absolute last place that a black man is going to be making out with a white woman is in a car. An eastern seaboard town? Driving While Black. Herman Cain is not so bleached that he hasn’t been pulled over for driving a nice car. His friends have been pulled over for driving nice cars.
My friends’ BFF was a black man, a war veteran, and a commercial pilot with a six- figure a year job,a part-time job for fun, and a nice car. His wife was BFF with a Barbie- blonde hair, blue eyes. If he showed up anywhere, with her in the car- he’d get pulled over for “flickering lights” “smoke in the tailpipe” “running a stop sign” that he had, you know, stopped at, but not long enough. He’s wearing suits- he’s got degrees, he’s beens shot at as a soldier, and he couldn’t drive to meet his wife, after picking up her friend at her job, for dinner. I thought they were exaggerating until I went to coffee with them. There was- guess it- guess it- a question about his (up to date, in the right place!) registration stickers. We weren’t dressed like hookers- unless hookers were jeans and loose sweaters, and button-down shirts and khaki shorts–so I have no idea what the police were thinking.
Verify: is there a single movie where black characters make out at “lookout point”? ever???? Even in the tacky movies like Friday- they’re climbing in the window to the house, not using the backseat of the 1970′s hoopty car with the hopper wheels.
It’s about on the level of the rumor on Iranian TV that pres Bush whacked shoes on a mosaic of Mohammed, or that sort of nonsense.
That’ll teach him. Get all uppity thinkin he can make it on his own without the rich white guys leading him by his nose-ring.
I am a white conservative. Although willing, I cannot serve in an elected office. When I was in the 8th grade I told my girlfriend that if she really liked me she would let me put my tongue in her mouth when I kissed her. She slapped me. When I was 16, I told my then girlfriend if she really, really liked me, she would let me touch her breast. She slapped me. When I was a freshman in college, I asked my then girlfriend that if she really, really, really liked me she would let me touch her pantyhose above her upper thigh. She slapped me. Yes, I am an unsuccessful serial sexual predator – unlike Bill Clinton.
” ‘I am coming forward to give a face and a voice to those women who, for whatever reason, cannot come forward.’ ”
A very strange statement. Her own accusations should stand or fall on their own merits, and no others.
Other accusations brought by other women don’t come into it at all. The claim of trying to establish a pattern of abuse, while legitimate, only applies if the individual cases have merit.
The Allred involvement does indeed stink to high heaven, but does not by itself really prove anything one way or the other about the merits of this accusation.
This all stinks to high heaven. People who act like this acquire reputations. The only reputation Herman Cain seemed to have until two weeks ago was that everyone who had worked with him or for him seemed to hold him in the highest esteem. Then, out of the blue, he turns into some sort of serial sexual predator? If this was really all true, there would have been rumors floating around. But as far as I know there were no rumors of any kind prior to two weeks ago. He is alleged to have sexually harassed and/or sexually assaulted 4 women in the last 13 years. Since then, he has served on the boards of directors of several major corporations, ran for the U.S. Senate where he was presumably opposition-researched, engaged in high-profile, controversial political activity as a Republican, until all of a sudden, out of the blue comes a wave of brand-new, never-even-suspected explosive accusations that completely defy everything that anyone has known or thought about him for his entire career.
This has all the hallmarks of an organized smear campaign.
This puts the lie to those who still claim that Sarah Palin is not a valid candidate because she is “damaged goods” after the 2008 campaign. Republicans are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Their most honorable and accomplished candidates are viciously assaulted and outrageously smeared with lies, and try and placate their abusers. “Oh my, Sarah Palin must not be a viable candidate for President because of the way she’s been smeared and attacked. Herman cain must not be good enough to be President because of the way he’s been smeared and attacked.”
No matter who wins the Republican nomination, They will be smeared and attacked viciously. No matter who the candidate is, he or she will be called stupid. Ignorant. A criminal. A moral degenerate. A rapist. A psychopath. A sexual predator. Every vicious lie you can imagine will be all thrown at the candidate no matter what their record, no matter what their experience. No matter what their accomplishment. No matter how sterling a reputation they have built up over their entire lifetime.
So stop letting the Democrats pick your candidate for you.
What woman refers to her hooha as genitalia? Honestly, either that “woman” ain’t no woman or a MAN wrote her detailed account for her.
It may be that she “offered up the goodies” to get a job, and he turned her down. Now she’s going to make him pay.
Hell hath no fury….
A good looking woman offered up the goodies ( and he refused ). So now Herman Cain is a saint. Hilarious.
“A few stray thoughts. Bialek seems credible, and has a very detailed memory of what she claims happened.”
This woman has as much credibility as the writer of this article. Lynch the conservative black man! And you know ‘all black men and Bill Clinton are horn dogs’, right Bryan? All the news that’s fit to print, isn’t that right Bryan?
So Bryan, you are writing all this stuff because your journalistic instincts are telling you these women are legit and the truth is being told and Gloria Allred never put forth a liar and so on, and for sure she is not doing it now and you are not involved in any way in spreading the lies an false accusations of the devil, cause there is no devil right Bryan. Politico has no stake in this at all and all the accusers are truthful upstanding human beings, they go to church on Sunday.
Yes Bryan, this woman is a tea “partier” and she chose the most reputable and conservative lawyer she could find in order to accuse a fellow human being of being evil and further more she even told someone about it way back when but didn’t to tell anybody that mattered cause she didn’t work there any more.
She’s a good good person really. I’m just going on my instincts just like you Bryan.
So let the truth be your judge Bryan.
That is of course, if there is such a thing as the truth and that it really matters in the end. Right Bryan? Or is it just what you can get away with?
Hugh Hewitt, a legal scholar who served in the Reagan administration, says that the charges are detailed and significant and Cain himself needs to address them tonight.
Hugh Hewitt, a legal scholar
One man’s legal scholar is another man’s propagandist and apologist for the Republican Party elite.
Ambrose Bierce defined lawyer as one skilled in the circumvention of the law.
I wonder how he would have defined legal scholar.
I wonder how he would have defined law professor such as imPOTUS Barry.
Are kidding me Jack, legal scholars carry weight with you?
Don’t be bringing that weak sh– in the lane as they used to say when I was young and played the playground game.
This is a drive-by lynching.
It is no secret that I don’t support Herman Cain for president. I think he has committed so many gaffes that he would make George Bush cringe. After saying that, let me say that Gloria Allred has been doing her share of the considerable volume of Democrat dirty work for many years. She is the lawyer who was hired by the labor unions in California to slaughter Meg Whitman. This is her modus during election cycles. The question with her always has to be, who is paying her to use this woman to float the damaging charges? The interesting thing to me is that Gloria Allred only works for socialists and number two, she usually doesn’t appear until her play can decide an election. I dislike Herman Cain but I despise Gloria Allred and I would be willing to bet that the Obama’s handlers are behind the Herman Cain smear campaign. Now, if we can just get someone in our crappy media to do some actual investigating of Gloria Allred, we might be able to pin down the perpetrator. Governor Moonbeam would be a good place to start looking. Gloria Allred, being in reality a criminal capitalist, doesn’t do this dirty work “pro bono”. Follow the danged money and do it quickly! Knowing that Old Media will not even assign a reporter to this story brings me to my real question. What is the dog that Old Media has in this hunt?
Even assuming for the moment that these allegations are true, wouldn’t this be covered by the “One Free Grope Rule”?
http://www.politicaljack.com/forums/showthread.php?5849-Gloria-Steinem-sets-the-precedence.-Case-closed.
I like Herman Cain. I don’t like Gloria Allred. I hate Barack Obama. I want Herman Cain – and all the rest – to just go way so that Romney can defeat Obama and we can restore sanity to the governing of America.
This is a Democrat party op.
Ebola wants to run against Captain Mitt Marshmallow.
The Politico hit fizzled and backfired, so now it’s time for hit number two.
The CIA does not allow anyone to be elected president who can’t be blackmailed.
This generated scandal is Cain’s ticket into the White House. That’s probably the deal they offered him.
Baobo, I suggest that you double-check your tin-foil hat, as it seems that the FBI is planting ideas in your head that the CIA is controlling the world instead of the Bilderburgers.
I wonder what the position of MoveOn.org is to this situation?
Someone should ask them.
Thank goodness for Politico & PJMedia for flushing this horrible man out. If it were not for their top-notch journalistic research, especially as it was based on the very thinnest of innuendo, we could have ended up with a conservative GOP nominee with a history of clumsily-erotic gestures, date rape, and, now sexual assault. Phew! And to think I was initially upset with PJM for filing their story with basically no facts whatsoever. My bad. But how was I to know that Gloria Allred (one of the finest celebrity mooches the American bar has ever produced) would be able to attract a badly-aging blonde accuser of this caliber and sense of timing. It’s all over, Herman. The beeatch has been deemed “credible” and is being described by the state-run media as having “a very detailed memory” of the wildly improbable sexual attack you launched on her genitals back in the day.
Again, THANK YOU, PJMedia. Brilliant take down. Wicked awesome. And the stupid SOB didn’t even see it coming.
Dear Dr. Frank,
Haven’t you heard, the times they are a changing?
Down is up, up is down, white is black and black is white?
Last week the media elites primarily fueled by old media tried to take Herman Down but they actually took him up.
Matt Drudge is the MOST POWERFUL VOICE in new media and on his website read the headlines about Herman. They are quite skeptical of the Barbie whose boyfriend doctor attempted to pimp out on Herman.
Herman is toast when Matt Drudge turns on him but until that happens Politico, HuffPo, the Clinton News Network, PMSNBC, Faux News, and the broadcast network whores cannot bring Herman down anymore than they could take down Humpty Dumpty.
If they is a changing, it is in the nick of time. I’m just highly disappointed with PJM for going after the conservative leader in the race on such tissue-thin grounds. Have you read the new Klavan piece? It makes me want to barf with its let’s-not-be-too-quick-to-question-accusor tone. It is up to THEM — the smear-meisters’ — to “prove” or at least minimally-establish their case against Herman Cain. It is NOT up to the rest of us to “keep an open mind” with respect to a liberal-Democrat political device that is as old as the hills.
But anyways, cheers! Keep the powder dry. We’ll get these scumbags.
Have you read the new Klavan piece?
The answer is no.
I am new around these parts.
I did look it up and I read it. It is listed under culture which is a red flag for me. I like my culture,
but anyone who hides behind culture, I despise. I despised the mindless POS article and will not be clicking on Klavan ever again.
That said, I am optimistic. The media can no longer cram lies down the sheeple’s throats. Us common
hard working folk have a chance to speak the truth and counter the elitist lies such a Klavan would have us believe.
This website has some sharp minds and the majority of the posters seem to understand that party and ideology are controlling labels used by the elites.
I suspect we both be of a like mind.
— “(Update: Previous Accuser Corroborates?)”
Gee, I dunno. Do you guys know? Why are you asking us? Does the previous accuser know? Does Gloria Allred know? Does David Axlelod know? Does ANYBODY know?
Atlanta is also “Hotlanta.” There are posh strip clubs that debut rap singles, catering to a mostly wealthy, mostly black clientele. Why hasn’t anyone claimed to have seen him there? If he’s a sexual predator, isn’t he going to go to the sexual drive-through?
There isn’t any gossip about him going there, because he’s got steak at home, he doesn’t need to go out for hamburger, to quote Paul Newman.
Four separate businesswomen? Making incredibly awkward passes? In nineties cars with cup-holders, and key-holders and axle bars? In DC? Which, in the nineties was sued for profiling drivers? DWB? And no game?
Mentioned she was wearing a “pleated skirt”–My, my; how accessible and Cheer Squad hot! Bialek’s story is pure BS.
Let me get this straight:
She describes an event that under the law is not sexual harassment, but is actually sexual assault. Instead of calling her erstwhile doctor boyfriend, why not the police?
Gloria “It’s ALWAYS the Man’s Fault” Allred has for corroboration two signed affidavits from the victims doctor/boyfriend and a businessman from Chicago attesting to the fact that she related to them this event. Not that they SAW the event, but that she TOLD them about it. It most courts of law, that is called “Hearsay” and is NOT admissable. Gloria “The Ambulance Chaser” should know this, if she’s as good of a lawyer as she claims she is.
Herman should “come clean”? I think MS. Bialek should come clean first.
No charges filed.
No police report.
No evidence.
No problem for Gloria and the “Lamestream Media”!!
This kind of case only works on “Law and Order: Special Victims”.
— Let me get this straight:
— She describes an event that under the law is not sexual harassment, but is actually sexual assault. Instead of calling her erstwhile doctor boyfriend, why not the police?
Exactly. She alleges assault, not mere harassment. Is there a statute of limitations on sexual assault? If not, she should file it now and make him face justice. I mean, if she’s telling the truth.
He reached for my genitals and pulled my head towards his crotch, ” I said what are you doing you know i have a boyfriend.
Enough said, case closed. She is lying through her bs smile. No woman brings up the boyfriend first. Are you saying you would love to go down on me and have your junk grabbed. If only I did not have a boyfriend.
Right. That was my first reaction as well. It is all too contrived. Now, I don’t know Herman Cain personally, but he seems to me to be a pretty smooth dude. This surprise accuser expects us to believe that he put her up in a swank hotel, took her out for a fine meal, and then proceeds to clutch at her gentiles and try to force her head toward his crotch? Get out of here! This is so cliche. And of the dozens of personal accounts I have read or heard about Mr. Cain, it just does not jive. IF Mr. Cain actually were a lech, given his well-known natural good grace, surely he could do better than what he is accused of.
It reminds me of the scene in Monty Python’s _The Meaning of Life_ where John Cleese, playing a sex ed teacher, attempts to explain to his young male charges how to “bed” the wily minx:
Humphrey (Cleese): So, just listen. Now, did I or did I not… do… vaginal… juices? [in the previous lecture]
Pupils: Mmm. Mmm. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
Humphrey: Name two ways of getting them flowing, Watson.
Watson: R…rubbing the clitoris, sir?
Humphrey: What’s wrong with a kiss, boy? Hmm? Why not start her off with a nice kiss? You don’t have to go leaping straight for the clitoris like a bull at a gate. Give her a kiss, boy.
Wymer: Suck the nipple, sir?
Humphrey: Good. Good. Well done, Wymer.
Pupil: Uh, stroking the thighs, sir.
Humphrey: Yes. Yes, I suppose so. Hmm?
Pupil: Oh, sir. Biting the neck.
Humphrey: Yes. Good. Nibbling the earlobe, uhh, kneading the buttocks, and so on and so forth. So, we have all these possibilities before we stampede towards the clitoris, Watson.
Watson: Yes, sir. Sorry, sir.
— “Her name is Sharon Bialek …”
And although you do not know her or anything about her, you MUST NOT attack her based merely on your suspicion that her accusation is just a little too convenient, and her timing is just a little too snug following up on the artificial release of the the Politico/PJM 100%-conjecture pieces. To criticize her is to Blame the Victim, don’t you know. No no. We must bow our heads and weather the genital onslaught. Don’t be dismayed if the subject of pubic hair on Coke cans comes up again. It’ll soon be over. That’s their thinking, anyways.
If he were a Democrat, all of this would be considered a private matter and not be reported at all. Doubt that? the press knew about both Clinton and Edwards and said nothing!
Earlier, I had read criticisms elsewhere about Ms. Bialek having read her statement. Now I have watched the video twice. I believe she had the written statement in order to help her remember every detail, but she didn’t really need it when describing most of what took place. Her voice inflections do strongly suggest that she was remembering Cain’s and her respective tones of voice on the occasion itself.
And notably, when she came to the most graphic part, she kept her head down . . . and her voice was cracking while she was relating the part that must have been the most painful to remember.
Because Cain’s track record of statements he’s made is consistently INconsistent, it is impossible for me to accept, without reservation, the blanket denial that “Mr. Cain has never harassed anyone.” Why, by the way, did that denial omit the word ‘sexually’?
Indisputable evidence is needed before I can wholly trust either side, but the corroboration claimed by attorney Bennett does add to my gut instinct that Ms. Bialek was describing — accurately — the lecherous predation she claims took place.
Inflections? What a naive response. A good liar can do so right to your face without giving up the least sign of it. You prefer to focus on Cain’s reported “mishandling” of this matter. But I don’t see that at all. This whole thing started with a non-disclosure-constrained “agreement” that Cain himself was not privy to. And now, after one weekend, we devolve to this: that Cain is a crass sexual assailant. This is BS. What is questionable here is the willingness of the media to go after Cain on the basis of un-named sources citing un-speicified charges. How would you like to have to hold up under that? And now we an accuser whose claims are just too stereotypical and whose timing is just a little too cute.
Excuse me, ‘doctor’, why did you enclose in quotation marks the word ‘mishandling’? So that a careless reader would attribute that word to my post? Now after misquoting me to obfuscate what I really said —
Cain’s track record of statements he’s made
is consistently INconsistent
— your entire reply is suspect.
Do this, ‘doctor’ . . . bookmark my reply and revisit it after the truth comes out, whatever that truth may be. If you owe me an apology for expressing an opinion that you seem to opine weakens the believability of your B.S., you can count on me to be back here looking for said apology.
‘Doctor’, I forgot to identify myself. Lest you mistake ‘Anonymous’ for some troll, I — ‘WantToKnow’ — posted the reply to which I’m appending my ID.
Who are you an f-ing film critic?
Are you Roger Ebert, Gene Shalit, or heaven forbid Rex Reed?
Who gives a flying f— how she read her lying statement?
Lies are not about presentation but content.
Her presentation was fine, give Gloria Allred some f-ing credit she is a pettifogger of the first order, and she can coach a witness with the best of the shysters.
This woman’s problem was about the script, it did not jive.
Herman asks in mid dinner what did she want as somehow, he was clueless as to why they were having dinner and why he comped her an upgrade at her hotel.
Why did he grope her in the car as some teenager?
If he did grope he did so at the hotel room, but the pettifogger Allred could not have allowed such an admission because it would have begged the question why did her client allow a married man to enter her hotel room late at night?
Get real troll.
Cut the crap.
Do not be bringing such weak stuff into this forum.
J’accuse Herman Cain and “Mr. Stone”!
She needed a job and he offered one. When they were alone, he fondled her, forcibly french-kissed her, groped her, and guided her hand to his genitals.
No, those aren’t the opening lines from a steamy novel or the words of Herman Cain’s latest accuser, Sharon Bialek, the first of four of his alleged sexual harassment victims to come forward. Ms. Bialek claims she was shocked, I say shocked, when Cain put his hand up her skirt, “grabbed [her] head and brought it towards his crotch.”
Since Gloria Allred is in Ms. Bialek’s corner, can there be any doubt in her veracity?
However, the man who did the frenching, groping, and guiding was former Vice President Al Gore. His victim, massage therapist Molly Hagerty, described her encounter to Portland, Oregon police soon after tipsy Gore, acting like a giggling, “crazed sex poodle,” tried to seduce her in his Hotel Lucia room in 2006.
After Politico.com broke the unsubstantiated Herman Cain story, every member of Obama’s MSM in the country descended on the allegations as if it were manna from the gods of liberalism because Cain isn’t a Democrat liberal.
Just as with the initial revelations about Democrat Bill Clinton’s Monica Lewinsky affair and Democrat John Edwards’ productive hanky panky with Rielle Hunter, the Portland Tribune was well aware of Molly Hagerty’s claims concerning Democrat Gore but chose not to publicize them despite the fact an official police report was filed and made public by TheSmokingGun.com.
In that report, when Gore ordered a late night massage at the Lucia, he was alleged to have used an alias, “Mr. Stone,” though he is described in the report as “Al Gore, former vice president of the United States of America” and charged with “alleged Sexual Assault.”
It’s not as if Portland was Gore’s first known instance of forcing tonsil hockey on an unwilling partner. While still VP, drunk at a New Year’s Eve party, Gore . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=5924.)
Let’s see, the fourth woman refuses to take questions. That is a sign she’s lying.
The first, second, and third woman refuse to go public. That is another sign of lying.
The media keeps moving the goal-posts on Cain, a common MSM way to assassinate the character of conservatives. Romney supporters (like William Bennett) support the efforts. Conservative haters (like Gloria Allred) actively assassinate.
This has caused true conservatives to line up behind Cain.
As a victim of verbal sexual harassment in the work place, I would say I don’t believe these women. Many young women might blow off verbal advances, but if someone grabs them anywhere, that’s a whole different can of worms. That’s sexual assault, and I and most women would race to the police.
I know at least three women who have been groped by one “powerful” man who have never gone to the police about it. They are also aware that all of them and others have been groped by the same man. Each continued to interact with him in hopes of improving their own businesses, while continuing to attempt to dodge further groping. I don’t know precisely how he has groped or if he has tried to push any heads toward his crotch, but I know they all have stated that they struggled to fend off his groping. I think all three have now finally cut off interaction, but none ever reported him to the police.
FULL DISCLOSURE: I support Michele Bachmann. I do not, nor have I ever leaned toward supporting Herman Cain. So you now know where I’m coming from. I wish PJMedia would just come out and say they support Rick Perry.
I don’t support Herman Cain. I think the 9-9-9 plan (and its little brother the 9-0-9 plan) are ways to tax the poor while increasing the deficit. I was appalled when he made his Uzbeki-Uzbeki-Uzbekistan statement because he seemed proud of his ignorance and his explanation that it has nothing to do with jobs which would have surprised anyone who knows anything about the textile industry. I have been surprised that he’s still running well, not because of this sex scandal, but because he seems to have little to no oranization at the grassroots level.
I would be so happy if people started to ask about any of these points. I would also be happy if there was more information about the financial irregularities of his campaign. But NOOOOOOO… we have to hear about a sex scandal. I know the media loves this stuff because too many idiots want to hear sex and power stories rather than debate economics.
But this morning I have heard that Herman Cain is holding a press conference today to deal with the sex isssue. Thank Goodness. There is another debate Wednesday and I don’t want this issue to obscure the debates where there is a teeny tiny possibility that actual issues could be discussed if the sleaze can be dealt with beforehand.
Herman Cain, you say you’re a problem solver. This whole issue is a problem. I will be watching your press conference to see how you handle this problem. If you handle it well, I’ll give you full marks (but not my support). If you can’t solve this problem though I promise I’ll buy your book. It’s an easy promise for me to make because if you can’t fix this, your book will be selling for 99 cents next month.
Yap, Yap, Yap!
The barking of poodles is evidence only of poodles barking.
Or, as Madison Ave. is wont to say; “Where’s the beef?” There won’t be any evidence presented because there is no evidence. Nor is there a crime.
Even if the current Bimbo is truthful, propositioning a woman IS NOT A CRIME! Doing it more then once is but the Supreme Court has always seemed to consider behavior patterns in it’s rulings;
http://www.now.org/nnt/05-98/supreme.html
pinched
“Paula Jones’ lawsuit was dismissed in part because she could not prove adverse employment consequences from the alleged sexual misconduct by President Clinton, giving the Supreme Court’s decision on Ellerth great political impact.”
Which leads up to Billy Blue Dress or “slick Willy” as he is known in these here parts. Slick had 9 bimbos. By that measure Herman needs to put the pedal down. Anyone else notice that those calling on Mr. Cain to quit are the same ones that called on Clinton to ignore the bimbo strut? That tells one all they need to know.
Here is NOW’s take on the ‘one free feel’ rule;
http://www.now.org/press/04-98/04-22-98.html
The only real question here is are the other bimbos as Fugly as the Clinton 9 and the Caininator?
Do you know why Bialek was unemployed? She had charged sexual harassment against her previous employer, charges that were refuted by her co-workers, and she was fired. Of course PJ Media knows that so why with the smear? Roger…?
Really? Or are you just speculating?
Lets consider both sides…shall we? Four women have made accusations of sexaul harassment against Herman Cain that we know of. Keep in mind that all four of the claims took place within the same 3 or 4 year period. Think about that. Thats an average of one per year, minimum…and the years prior and after that haven’t even been examined. Take the worst scoundrel you can think of and ask yourself this question: Was that scoundrel accused of sexual harassment four times in his entire life…not just a 3 or 4 year period? Now the fact that this accuser filed bankruptcy is somehow and issue…didn’t Kathleen Willey file bankruptcy before Clinton got ahold of her? That didn’t seem to be an issue against her for conservatives, did it? Well, here’s one conservative that thinks Herman Cain’s denials don’t pass muster any more.
Herman appears to have that one character flaw which is common to men of great stature and success…like JFK, Bill Clinton…and yes, Martin Luther King…a pedadillo. Just because it is well-managed and he is comfortable with it…doesn’t mean that the women are. Maybe some were…and we won’t hear about them…but these women are all singing the same song about Herman Cain. I don’t know if the 9-9-9 plan adds up or not…but these numbers do not.
Story is fishy.
“but Cain reached under her skirt to grab her genitals and tried to force her head down to his crotch. She says she said: “What are you doing? That’s not what I came here for.” To which she alleges Cain responded “You want a job don’t you?”
That sounds like a no dating move/foreplay I’ve ever heard of. “I’ll grab her junk nad push her head down” that will work. That’s not even a drunk move.
I call Bull Shit
Well…….unless Cain wantonly “raped” this woman, didn’t Clinton remove this topic from the table…..?
Sorry Libs time to begin sleeping in the bed you have made for 40 years.
Could it be that those running to Cain’s defense are fearful that if they don’t support him they will be
called racist because of Cain’s color. That is the problem with running a black man for president. The
race card is always there to play. We see how our current president blatantly uses his color to stir up the
black community against the, mainly white community. The scars and trauma of slavery are ever with us.
His defenders are republicans. they’ve already been called racist for not voting for the O. His backers are guys in Atlanta- you know, the place that got burned to the ground for being slavery central? They’re pretty familiar with that whole racist name-calling bit. There’s not one thing they can do, or not do, to make that go away. People aren’t necessarily defending him- they’re laughing at the ridiculous accusation.
Herman Cain is not being wrapped in cotton wool. He’s not gently handled like some fragile blown-glass Christmas tree ornament. He doesn’t go to a high- end church that invests in crazy, bitter, angry preachers. He went to Morehouse- a black powerhouse school. Do you think they would cater to his fwagile wittle ego? Barack Hussein Obama got laughed at by the black preachers in Chicago. He got schooled. They patronized him. He hung out with high- end white people who didn’t know what a total poser fake badass he was. How could they know?
BHO got a fake job. HC got a job in fast- food, which is a notoriously hard business- low margins, high-workforce turnover- crazy hours- and he rose to the top. Do you have any idea how many hours work that man did, to rise up like that? None of his jobs are beauty contests. Not fed bank, not NRA, not Godfathers.
This little item surfaced today. Apparently Alexrod’s lawfirm is representing a client against Ms. Bialek! Latest activity was Sept 2011
https://w3.courtlink.lexisnexis.com/cookcounty/Finddock.asp?DocketKey=CAAJ0MB0BFIICG0MD
Wow!
Apparantly, the harrassment pattern seems to be Ms Bialek’s MO:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2058983/Murky-past-Herman-Cain-accuser-Sharon-Bialek-starts-emerge.html
the identity of one of the first two has now been exposed…Surprise! Another blond causasian…..Herman, its kind of hard to see how these ladies can remind you of your wife….don’t you think?
I don’t believe her — why did she have to hire Allred and hold a press conference? This is all about distorting, maligning and fabricating lies to bring Herman Cain down. The DNC and the liberal elite establishment will go to any lengths to ensure that black Americans remain dependent on the Democratic Party, and a conservative black Republican is their worse nightmare. Discrediting Cain is Priority #1 right now in order to ensure the allegiance of blacks and women come Election Day on 2012. Obama can’t compare to Cain, who is an honorable man, has actually created jobs and worked his way up the ladder of success. Plus, Cain is a true Christian. Obama is the quintessential charlatan and hypocrite with a shady, mysterious past who hung out with radical, domestic terrorists and a black racist preacher, believes that the Government should spend its way to prosperity, fools his followers into believing that entitlement is a right and successful people should be penalized and demonized.
Obama and his minions are scared to death of Cain because a Cain presidency can forever change the makeup of the African-American votership, loyalty and mindset.
These women are all lying. If a woman who has sex and then asks for compensation is a w___e, what’s the name for a woman who doesn’t have sex, and then years later lies about it in exchange for money?
Oh, and all of these women are being compensated by the Democratic party. Which is rightly terrified at the prospect of Cain becoming the Republican nominee.
As a staunch conservative….might as well say neo-con…I can’t help but bump into that immovable object, the “rule of law”. What real conservative would defend, excuse away or otherwise rationalize the acceptance of sexual harassment on any level? I certainly cannot. Lots of men have a pecadillo of one kind or another…Some can manage it outside of the workplace…some cannot separate their environments. To read so many comments about “disbelief” is puzzling. Doubt? Yes…Benefit of doubt? OK….But disbelief? Here’s the question….what is the magic number of accusors that it will take for some folks to move from disbelief to doubt? Six? Ten? How many? While I have doubts…they are shrinking.
Consider Herman Cain’s position in private business. He was the President of the National Restaurant Association. Entertainment, wininng and dining and travel were constant and plenty for him. He himself admits that his wife rarely travelled with him. His opportunities were plenty…I think he took advantage of the perks provided to him…and added a few of his own….I think the truth will come out…and Herman isn’t telling it.
it’s not the number. it’s not the job. it’s that the details don’t make sense. The mechanics of it. Nobody really believed Clinton could get serviced while in his office, until the testimony was (1) under the desk and (2) in this little side hallway. Then, everybody said ” Wow, he’s really determined to get some strange. He managed to find the only non- surveilled parts of his office.” Before that- the accusations didn’t make sense.
Cars: okay, put some thought into how you grope somebody in a car. Which sort of car? Where are the seats? Are they bucket seats? Are there seatbelts? Is there that axle-bump? How is he supposed to get his right hand up her on her britches, when a man can barely manage a boob-grab in a modern car. You think I’m joking, right? Well- Seinfeld, with the boob-grab? Was in a benchseat car, right? How many lobbyists drive old seventies hoopty cars. So he’s supposed to have the triceps of a Romanian athlete, and go backwards, and upwards, with all these obstacles? Instead of the easy- ish boob grab? And then, remember steering wheels? They got closer, or lower, or adjustable. It’s a lot harder to get your head into intimate positions, now that cars are pared down. I’m guessing CAFE standards. There are news of the weird nuggets about this sort of thing. He can’t get her head on his lap from her strapped in to a typical soup can car front. Nice cars had bucket seats or contoured seats.
Add in, the stuff outside the car: Driving While Black. In ??Clinton’s DC- which had a higher rate of killing black guys that Giuliani’s New York. He’s not on friendly territory. He’s not going to be comfortable making a fool of himself in a public place. He knows he could get killed.
Plus, let’s see– he’s middle-aged. Do you know of a single middle-aged guy who doesn’t think about his back? Black, white, athletic, couch-potato. Back pain, wrenched disks, you name it. Between their prostate, their back, their heart and their thyroid, middle- aged guys are a bundle of worries from the chin on down. How’s he supposed to wrestle in a car while not worrying about his back?
Plus, that whole hotel- room bit. He paid for it. He knows it’s right there. Why didn’t he tell her he’d show her how the towels worked?
Plus- again- pantyhose. He’s been married to a woman who wears pantyhose, since he was young. You don’t think he didn’t try to play after church on Sunday when he was just out of school?- they married the month after she graduated- so young, prissy, baptist- sunday afternoons, after dressing up for church—he knows what’s on the other end of pantyhose- nothing. It’s the glad cling-wrap of the crotch. Who knows what’s under it? He knows that. Nobody gropes a Barbie hoo-hah. they grab for the waistline and pull the waistline down. And, really, that mostly takes begging, b/c pantyhose grips like a mother-f***er. Aren’t there movie scenes about that, too? Getting hose on and off?
and, finally, my racist final bit. Do black guys make out in cars? Is a car a black guy hot spot? there aren’t movies about black dates going to drive-ins, black couples going to look-out point, black teens parking on lover’s lane? that’s just not a part of black make-out culture, as far as I can tell. Middle- aged white women? For sure. and older? again, totally. I won’t rat out my friends, but in the sixties, seventies and eighties, I’d like to point out that teenage boys borrowed their parents cars, or bought second-hand,old Detroit metal- with leather seats- and big, bench seats, front and back. These are the cars that SUVs for moms replaced, so you get an idea of how big they were. this is a story that would make sense to Gloria Allred, and to her clients.
to anyone who actually was around tarting it up in late nineties, this is pure junk.
What’s the dame’s angle?
The 50 somethin’ floozy looks like she’s trying to still look 30 and like she’s trying to score some cash. Notoriety helps in that department.
A month ago she was hugging Cain in Chicago and now she’s on national TV claiming that 14 years ago he tried to cop n unwelcome a feel when she tried to get him to give her a job. That is, after she was fired from her previous gig and seems to have some had trouble holding down a job — four jobs in the previous four years.
And over 9 jobs in 17 years? Along with two bankruptcies. And she filed a paternity suit on a former boss?
The broad comes across as a gold-digger who has been trying to make a living off her now fading figure and looks.
Herman ought to hire some gumshoes to do some investigating.
Some unanswered questions – as ugly as some of them are
1. Why, as her boyfriend has said, didn’t she give him any details of the event when she told him about it back then?
2. Why doesn’t the Capital Hilton have any records of her booking a room that day, or for that day, and why has the hotel no record of anyone upgrading a room for her or booking a suite or room for her, when the Hotel has complete records for that time period?
If she did flirt with Cain
3. Did he mistake her intention?
4. Why didn’t she do it, get the job, and come forward now – much more damaging, much better revenge, far more deserved.
5. Since when do Democrats think there is anything wrong with blow jobs? What about John Kennedy’s statement that he always had a woman three ways? Or is the problem we are talking about someone who really could be a President? Wait, Kennedy was a President.
6. Is the Press saying this is inappropriate behavior for a Candidate but its OK for someone who is President?
All good questions. But when the MSM and Cain’s enemies on the Right, including many at PJM, pile on it probably won’t matter — the number and seriousness of the charges, blah, blah, blah. Oh, and it’s also about “how he handles it” — as if there is some perfect way to handle character assassination via she-said/he-said sexual misconduct charges.
When the MSM and many on the Right are allies in a well choreographed smear campaign the only way Cain will survive is if the people support him and stand by him in the face of flimsy, unsupported, and anonymous charges. Many on the Right may, but there are plenty of jackals, hyenas, vultures, buzzards, muckrakers, slime merchants, and assorted lowlifes on the Right who also want to see Cain go away.
Obama still has a good chance to win. But even if he doesn’t enough intra-party wounds will be opened up on the Right that it is likely the majority coalition will quickly disintegrate within six months after the inauguration. It is very hard to see an effectively governing majority coalition on the Right holding together. Judging by the depth and breadth of the fault lines on the Right and the viciousness of the attacks between those on the Right, any victory in 2012 may be Pyrrhic.
Reagan’s coalition is dead and there is nothing to replace it.
Anonymous accusers don’t count. Neither do ones who giggle at their press conferences.
So far, there have been no credible accusers.
Oh, wait, now one of the Anonymous accusers has been outed, and she works for a Democrat Administration.
Still no credible accusers.
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