Are the Chinese Sabotaging Islam?
The Chinese are masters at copycat capitalism; give them a blueprint–or even an item they can reverse-engineer–and they’ll speedily and inexpensively start manufacturing knockoffs. Some of us worry about quality control (understatement alert) for components of everything from computers to aircraft. Whatif they are selling us stuff that will fail at a sensitive moment? Or just plain fail?
It’s hard to separate national security concerns from the quality control issue, and of course “national security” is sometimes subject to surprising definition. In Iran, for example, we find that the Chinese have penetrated the Koran market, and Chinese knockoffs cost less than Iranian-made versions. But the cheap Chinese Korans have lots of typos…
I wonder if those “typos” are just typos, or if there is a systematic ideological campaign under way. I mean, the Beijing regime is quite concerned about radical Muslim separatists in the West. Why not subvert the doctrine, and make a profit at the same time?
Inquiring minds await the detailed report of the Iranian “Koran Oversight Office.”
Yes, you bet I’m serious.
You mean like typo the 72 Virgins to say 72 Virginians? Or change the word “kill” to “Kiss” all the way through.
That would make islam a lot less violent.
Would that be Virginians or West Virginians?
Ah, the theological questions of our age…
What if they started spelling based on sound…the Prophet becomes the Profit? (for the English translations)
You’ve obviously never heard the joke:
Muslim guy is told if he kills himself in a suicide bomb attack, he’ll get 72 Virgins when he goes to Paradise. So he does the deed, and only manages to kill himself, but that was the deal, right? If you even scare someone you get the 72 Virgins. So he’s introduced to paradise, and the first day George Washington approaches him with dignified intent, and smacks him with the flat of his sword, knocking him to the ground, and then begins to beat him and even slash at him. He scrambles away, and barely escapes with his life. Next day, the same thing happens, except this time it’s Robert E. Lee, and he has a revolver. Our suicide-bomber gets wounded, but of course the wounds heal quickly in Paradise, so that when he’s attacked the *next* day by George C. Marshall, he’s in good health, and can dodge the General’s Colt .45, but just barely. Finally the suicide bomber is fed up, and he goes to Allah, and complains: “I was told if I killed myself I’d meet 72 Virgins in Paradise and all–” and Allah interrupts: “There’s the first problem. I never said anything about Virgins. I only promised 72 Virginians. Tomorrow you have to deal with Patrick Henry; he’s an angry cuss.”
Verily, whoever loves the Profit shall kiss the Jews wherever he finds them.
And some people worry about people that do not believe in evolution?
Really Ledeen?
Oh, i’d be more worried if they started believing on evolution.
Sir Arthur Keith was a British anthropologist, an atheistic evolutionist and an anti-Nazi, but he drew this chilling conclusion:
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’
Good thing most evolutionists don’t have the same conviction.
That’s “in evolution.” Darn Chinese keyboard.
So if the Paper Hanger believed in gravity that would make gravity false? Must be that new Christian Science I have heard so much about.
But since we are dealing with character let me pose one to you:
About 70% of female heroin users were sexually abused as children. (more details here: http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2004/09/heroin.html ) Why aren’t you standing up for them and asking that the dogs of war be called off them?
Compare “Nazis favored evolution” to “Christians abandon sexually abused children”.
You, sir, have obviously been elected president of the National Non Sequitor Society.
Which is a shame. You used to be reasonably sane.
I was never sane.
I think it was a Berlinski who pointed out that…
Evolution is a neccessary but not sufficient condition for Naziism.
From what I have read, the Koran is not supposed to be published in any language except Arabic (blasphemy), and most Muslims cannot read or understand Arabic. So, the Korans are really just fetishes for the faithful to display to each other. They probably don’t even open them. Although, apparently, a lot of people memorize the words, without knowing what they mean.
Where the blue blazes have you read that?
The Koran has been translated and published in just about every language on Earth by Islamic missionary organizations.
For instance I have a copy from Islamic Publications International.
Korans in 112 languages were presented at an exhibition in Tehran in 2010.
There are literally dozens of Web sites offering translations of the Koran into English and other languages.
The most restrictive Moslems (the Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia) distribute millions of copies of the translated Koran. One of the criticisms of Wahhabism is that these translations are not accurate, but favor Wahhabi interpretations.
This is still more or less true. They do translate the Koran, but they also insist that converts learn Arabic, with the intent of reading the Koran in the original language. Islam doesn’t have the same doctrine that Christianity has, which more or less argues that translators of the Bible are at least well-intentioned, so that the translations are considered reliable. *All* translations, according to Muslims, are inferior to the original in Arabic. As an example, go and read Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s autobiography “Giant Steps” from some years ago. He details how he was required to learn Arabic for just this purpose.
And yes, many Muslims are ignorant enough that they don’t understand what they recite in Arabic. It’s sort of like Catholics not all speaking Latin.
So they translate it, but that’s just a recruiting tool.
The English translation is usually on the page opposite the Latin in the old mass. There is more, and more accurate, theology crammed into a Latin mass than there is in most textbooks. If Catholics are ignorant, they are so willfully.
By the way, I am not some Catholic just posting to defend my faith. I’m not Catholic at all.
Right — Moslems do not consider translations to be the actual Koran. This is a critical theological difference between Islam and Christianity.
In Islam, the Koran is claimed to be the revelation of Allah, dictated word-for-word to Mohammed. Since the Koran is held to be Allah’s actual words, Arabic is held to be the divine language and the Koran its perfect exposition. There is no small amount of Arab snobbery arising from this tenet.
In Christianity, the Scriptures are the inspired words of humans, not the dictated words of God. Fundamentalists erroneously call the Bible the “word of God”, but the “Word” is Jesus Christ Himself, as in John 1:1: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. God’s revelation is Himself; the books of the Bible are not themselves the revelation but accounts of revelation “according to” their human authors.
You’ll notice that most of the “authentic” translations are described as “Translation of the meaning of the Quran”.
First, aren’t the Chinese concerned about their own Muslim issue, primarily represented by the Uyghurs (Uighurs) who have a tradition of resisting central Chinese government directives?
Second, perhaps the statement should read, the “Chinese have penetrated the [North] Korean market?” (instead of Koran)
Third, did you mean Wahhabi or Wasabi? (relgious-political system v. spicy condiment)
Suddenly, the power and import of the typo takes on new meaning …
Producing religious texts has an interesting history in China. For instance, the patriarch of the Song family (father of Madame Chiang Kai-Shek and sisters) seeded his fortune by printing Christian bibles. Perhaps they now consider grabbing a population by the religious gonads (godnads?) just slightly less effective than appealing to the righteous indignation of the impoverished oppressed. Although the question of whether they think they’re subverting or conveying a sense of being sanctioned is both important for them, and frighteningly irrelevant for the US if they’re successful.
If only the Chinese would do this to Western religion: Old Testament (Global Warming) & New Testament (Climate Change).
What, are they likely to replace the ‘grim’ in pilgrimage with an extra “L”? Thus extolling Muslims to pillage Mecca at least once in their lifetime?
Is there any truth to the rumor that they plan an illustrated version of the Koran? And, will it really be a coloring book wherein we have to guess which crayon to use for the Prophet’s eye, hair, and wardrobe hues?
I tried once to interact with a Chinese business on a creative idea for a product, and failed utterly, due to their belief that the profits were to be theirs while the costs were to be mine. Fortunately I came to understand this before money changed hands from me to them. An interesting business model, if you can do it more than once.
I suspect the Chinese are using their standard business practices in delivering something like a Koran as inexpensively as possible so as to maximize Chinese profits on the Muslim Prophet. I’d check that the ink wasn’t made from toxic waste, confirm the pages are all actually printed and not left blank, compare the number of volumes delivered and the number ordered, determine that the volumes don’t dissolve when a drop of water hits them, and so on. After that I’d worry about the content. And yes, I would worry.
“…After that I’d worry about the content. And yes, I would worry.”
Maybe they’re unintentionally doing us a favor by advancing along this front. Western civilization is still stuck in the unilateral-disarmament era when it comes to philosophical / intellectual / spiritual opposition from other cultures.
Just call it “doing the job Americans won’t do”.
Well, the latest scholarly word on those Virgins / Virginians is that they are actually a bad translation from the original Syriac (?). If you translate it correctly, the word is “raisins.”
Naturally, it was not a Muslim who made this discovery.
Was that raisins or dates? I think I’d prefer 72 dates to 72 raisins.
Taqiyya? I thought it said to use tequilla.
Why shouldn’t the Chinese sabotage Islam?
We do it all the time.
I see a big, ominous, dark cloud of dust rising up from behind vast hordes of camels’ behinds; their riders have glinting curved scimitars raised at the ready, all aiming for you posters here mincing their currant, quranic, raisins and dates, and thinking that virgins in Virgina (…yes, Virginia, there are some…) may be deduced and seduced.
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I know, I know, I promise I was just flipping birds at musselmen in pigskins……………..please don’t throw any more shoes!!!
Is there such a thing as ink with lead in it?
Wandering through Chinese markets, I’ve seen “Coke” misspelled along with other major brands. The copy on a pirated DVD box can be pretty funny, too — plot, stars, specs either pasted in from another movie or total gibberish. I suppose a few passages from Arabian Nights might make it into the Chinese Koran.
This is very clever of the Chinese if true.
Except that Muslims (even those who can read) don’t read the Koran. Their Imam ‘gives them the gist of it”.
The Quran itself is a mistake and harmful to humanity.
The Quran is not perfect as it proclaims. People (non-Muslims) who know the history of how the Quran came to be will know the truth. The Quran is not even in chronological order, so the verses are hard to understand. It’s just ordered by length, from longer verses to shorter verses.
The Quran is against what we know logically and scientifically. Even in the 21st century, Muslims still believe in a flat earth as taught in the Quran. They have no explanation for this error and many others in the Quran. It’s only through deception that they can give a good answer.
People should read the Quran to see the filth and hatred that is taught to Muslims. Then they will know why 9/11 happened and why Islamic terrorists blow themselves up.