The Visceral Terror of a Tea Party Presidency: 10 Thoughts on the Coming Political Warfare of 2012
A few thoughts of reflection after considering PJM‘s coverage of Rick Perry’s announcement of his candidacy:
1. Conservatives fear leftist government because they know the policies do not work and the country will suffer as a result.
2. Leftists fear conservative government because deep down they are afraid the policies will work and the country will prosper as a result and more people will abandon the progressive faith and they will no longer be able to live with the comforting delusion that they are superior to everyone around them.
3. The Left is permanently incapable of self-reflection. It cannot reverse its centuries-long cosmic quest for the Open Society based on Social Justice; but rather only shift its tactics when necessary.
4. Hence the only considered option when confronted with failure is to double down like an obsessive gambler, laying his family’s and our nation’s prosperity on the blackjack table. “The programs didn’t work to revive the economy/make health care cheaper because we didn’t ‘invest’ enough money!”
5. Because of this an equally forceful stance is the proper response. Andrew Klavan highlights the line that electrified conservatives from Perry’s speech: “I’ll work every day to make Washington, D.C. as inconsequential in your life as I can.”
Thank you.
You’re welcome. Thanks for reading.
I’ll echo stoicheion: Thank you, David! You’ve hit the nail on the head. Keep up the good work!
You really ought to change your name if you insist on being involved in politics.
You ought to change *yours*, if you insist on not being sleeping.
I have a canned response on the subject of my last name and the nature of those who need to unburden themselves by commenting on it. I blogged about years ago at the previous publication I edited.
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/13/newsreal-sunday-bill-maher-reveals-himself-to-be-a-horrible-human-being-with-an-empty-soul/
As my Dad drove me back to school he explained to me one of those lessons that has stuck with me ever since: “As soon as someone makes fun of the last name it immediately identifies them as a jerk.”
Ever since then I’ve come to understand my last name not as a curse but as a tremendous blessing. Do you know what it means when I meet someone for the first time, tell them my name, and the first thing that pops into their head is to make a joke at my expense? I then know immediately that this is a horrible human being whose soul is a cesspool of emptiness and misery. They’ve actually done me a favor: I can now completely write them off and ignore them. They’ve identified themselves as a Person of the Lie, M. Scott Peck’s first stage of spiritual growth — chaotic/anti-social. They care only about themselves, live a life based on lies, and continually need to hurt other people in order to fill the vacuum in their being.
I wouldn’t have this distinct social advantage if I was David Smith. Without the benefit of the last name it might take longer for a jerk to reveal himself.
Thank you for your reference to “People of the Lie”. There seems to be a misunderstanding that we should culturally consider all people we meet “good”. As shown by Dr. Peck this is dangerous to our well being. Going into election season, I think I will re read it.
Love your response! When I meet people with names that I know would cause childhood teasing, I always wonder how they managed to endure it (we have friends with the last name “Rape”.) What an intelligent father you had! It really does give you a distinct advantage into discerning character.
What a relief it is to hear that I am not a jerk. One of my docs’ last name is the same as yours. It never dawned on me to make fun of his name, not even in thought.
@Nancy You’re welcome. Peck’s thinking has been an influence on me since I was in high school almost a decade ago. #Facepalm
In particular his break down of the four stages of spiritual growth has struck me as true and an important idea.
@Renea A few of the other lessons my Dad taught me that come to mind:
1. Take the professor, not the class.
2. Beware the “New Relationship high.”
@bobbcat
You mean you’ve matured beyond third grade and are now a decent person?
One unfortunate reality that I’ve surrendered to is this: A SIGNIFICANT chunk of the population (perhaps even a majority) never matures beyond junior high and high school. And that includes people who might have higher degrees or make millions or billions of dollars. #ListOfReasonsToBeConservative
Of course the person is an empty, soulless, jerk. Of course they are. There’s no way possible that they’re trying to make you feel comfortable and share some humor by making an obvious and easy joke, one that a non-uptight person would be able to laugh about. Learn to tell the difference between a joke and someone mocking you.
In other words, get over yourself.
You say others didn’t graduate junior high? Your reaction is exactly the same as someone who didn’t mature past junior high as well. Learn to laugh, weenie.
Otherwise, it’s a decent article.
“Learn to tell the difference between a joke and someone mocking you.
In other words, get over yourself.”
I have learned to tell the difference. You apparently have not apparently and your comment is likely in response to your own guilty feelings since you seem to be the kind of person who probably says crap like this. People who make stupid jokes about my name are mocking me, just as you are doing now too in violation of rule #3 of PJM’s commenting guidelines.
Same benefits come with being plump girl; shallow and insecure men who need arm candy to build themselves up won’t waste our time. I feel sad for the ‘pretty’ girls who have 1-2 bad starter marriages behind them; their paramours never revealed their flaws openly until after the vows.
Good point on the name. My name has inspired numerous jokes. It was rampant as I went through school. But, as you say, it quickly became apparent that those who felt the need to make fun at my name always turned out to be losers. Little people ceaselessly attempt to pump themselves up by belittling others. Never works. Whenever someone poked fun at my name, I’d always respond “Sorry you’re doing poorly in school”. Because they always were. I was a straight A student. Better to be an intelligent, educated person, with a funny name, then to be ignorant and uneducated.
@Sigi and Paladin: Very good points. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you David, you are so intelligent as your father. I hope you did not think I was a jerk when my comment about the Google translation.
While reading this article, I just have to share with you – I felt tingles running down my leg. Semper Fi
Well put; a clear warning of what’s to come based on what has and is happening. What we need are bare-knuckle responses — talking points, if you will — that confront the reactionary, bigoted left on their own terms. Reason, logic, fact and history have had little if any effect. The left has to be exposed for what it is by forcing it to either defend itself or shut the hell up.
Yes Yes Yes and Perry is a bare knuckle fighter. Lay down the gloves and fight back. You can’t reason with or discuss anything with a Democrat; they have no use for facts, history, etc. Just look at Obama and the Tea Party guy. O lied right to his face. Denial, Denial, Denial. Anybody but Obama.
Bare-knuckle fighting is okay (and much safer than with gloves), but I recommend knives and firearms for serious disputes. Are you serious? Time to start the Commitees of Correspondence again.
The problem with your claim that:
“2. Leftists fear conservative government because deep down they are afraid the policies will work and the country will prosper as a result and more people will abandon the progressive faith…”
is that you can not show a proof anywhere in the world where what you claim has ever come true. There is no example of any successful country where laissez faire capitalism has worked. There is no country in world where government has no played a major role along side the private sector to make a country prosper.
Also your other assertion that:
“3. The Left is permanently incapable of self-reflection….”
is equally absurd, in that all great literature, especially in the western cannon, has been written by progressives or liberally minded people–who are very astute at self reflection.
The United States is that successful country, so powerful from free economics that it still runs laps around others in bold defiance of the hands of its own left-leaning citizens wrapped tightly around its neck for a hundred years. And you can’t stand it.
Joshua A. Schaeffer,
The US is not an example not of Laissez-faire capitalism. I don’t know where you have been schooled but the ideological belief system, that you seem to believe in has never existed. like so many radical self -righteous right wing libertarians, you seem to not know much about uS History and how through out its history (especially through through much of IUS modern industrialization there has always been regulation to relative degrees depending on technological advances as well as environmental and hazards in the work place–those two issues ust to name two.
And as far as the US superseding other first world economies, you must remember that it was not until the post war years that the US economy caught up with other European countries. And even today you can see that countries like Germany or France do vert well with many types of regulations as well as universal government run Health care.
So I don’t take you serious Joshua. You seem to be speaking from a right wing ideological bias that is causing you to see Ayn Rand dancing on sugar plumbs in your dreams.
We are the example! We are at our best when the govt doesn’t interfere. Only in the last few decades since the govt has gotten so huge & overinvolved in our economy, education, healthcare & just about every other aspect of our lives, has America been stiffled. Our economy has quit growing, businesses are going oversees, and not just because of some greed, but because of all the govt taxes & regulations on them costing them so much money, healthcare is in a tailspin with out of control costs and education is struggling also, with college too expensive for most people to afford. Both parties are responsible for this as are we the people for letting it happen. Now the Tea Party idea comes along, which was started by people tired of the way govt is running things, not by politicians, and the left wants to criticize it because it is against everything they believe in, such as govt being able to take care of people better than people can. It is a breath of fresh air and necessary to put govt back in order.
Communist, Marxist, socialist, Nazi, Fascist, Liberal are all sub sets within the larger set Progressive. There is not a big difference between any of them, they all seek enslavement of their citizens.
The Democrat party has been taken over by the progressives. Half of the Republican party the same. All progressive governments through out history have failed. All Democratic governments throughout history have failed. In case you don’t know the US is a Republic not a democracy. Historians have many different reasons for these failures. My opinion is that a progressive or Democratic government is simply a mob writ large. A mobs level of intelligence is determined be the least intelligent member, as a result the government fails due to stupidity.
Well said.
A question for you Surly: is our problem that half of our adult population is pretty dumb or that half of our population is pretty dumb and does not contribute (pay taxes etc)? I feel that there is a connection. With the whole deal going down the toilet, many people can only manage a duh?
Surly_Curmudgen,
Seriously man, you need to go back to school.
Surly wrote: “Communist, Marxist, socialist, Nazi, Fascist, Liberal are all sub sets within the larger set Progressive”
however you learned such nonsense tells me that you might want to go to, what ever school you attended, and ask for your money back. For you leave out Left wing libertarianism, communalism, anarchism, social democracy, etc which have nothing to do with Communism, Marxism, Naziism, fascism or any other theocracy, etc…
Hell man you might as well throw in Sharia law too, and assert that the left has invented a big ray gun that is going to be blasting everyone with cosmic anti-conservative moon beams, every night out of the lincoln bedroom.
By the way if you don’t like progressives then stick to conservative inventions and stay off the progressive internet… you know it was progressive that made it available to the general public, don’t you… and since I am on the subject of progress [finding progressive solutions for an ever more complicated world is not a conservative attribute, nor is conserving the environment--it seems] let me ask you this Surly man, what have conservatives ever produced that helped forward humanity? Surely Surly dude, you can name lots of conservative solutions that have helped humanity out in times of need.
And let us not forget that the founding fathers were the first true American progressive liberals, with out whom all the conservatives of the day would still have us drinking English TEA on ENGLISH soil.
Today’s leftists/progressives are not liberals in the true sense of the word. They are illiberal to the core.
We’re not talking here about writing novels.
We’re talking about political philosophy.
And the number of political leftists who ever became disenchanted with leftism–even after the horrors of the USSR and the stagflation of the 1970s–can be counted on the fingers of one hand. David Horowitz, a former Marxist, is one prominent example.
Howard Zinn, OTOH, remained an unrepentant Communist to his dying day.
Whittaker Chambers is another notable example. Would be Communists and the like should read his biographical novel “Witness” and see what being part of a full-blown progressive is really like.
“The Left is permanently incapable of self-reflection….”
is equally absurd, in that all great literature, especially in the western cannon, has been written by progressives or liberally minded people–who are very astute at self reflection.”
The left are completely immune to self-reflection. Back in the day (probably the apex of western civilization) liberals were people like John Locke and George Washington. Conservatives were people like King George – people who like the old lord and serf thing.
Funny thing about gramscians is that they repackage themselves every few years because once they are busted people generally want to lynch them. Hence liberals who founded this country would be considered conservatives today and the left have even stolen the right’s color – blue, because red was just too commie (their true colors) for them and they needed to repackage. Now the right has red and the democrats are now the democraTIC party because everyone knows they are NOT!
Have you heard of Thomas Aquinas or Marcus Aurelius?
Pls disregard, Lolly. This comment was not meant for you.
Richard, Richard, Richard, there is neither time nor space adequate enought to counter your socialist drivel. Where have we heard this befire “Show me ONE example, ….” Have you ever taken an objective look-see at any, or all, of Europe, Russia, China? Or have you even considered numerous of our current dictators? Nice try, but very infantile.
claims1,
I asked and you did not answer. I asked where is there an example of a pure market economy, in the first world that does not let its government play a necessary hand in regulating market exchanges or capitalized production… the only countries that I know of where Government does not play a regulatory hand in regulating capital production is in third world countries where dictators or despots are the capitalist and capitalist or the one on the take from invested capital….where rivers run yellow and so on.
Your statement is not true that there were never any countries with laissez-faire capitalism. Until the Communist Chinese took over Hong Kong in 1998, Hong was a free and capitalistic area. People could and did make good money and paid no taxes. There were not any government obstacles to improving oneself. That is why it became one of the most successful places on earth to work and do business.
The US prior to 1917 was a good example, since it was pretty close to the libertarian ideal. Hong Kong is another good example. And Chile, the most libertarian economy in S America, is also the most economically prosperous.
Also, India and China, while hardly libertarian, are much more libertarian than they used to be, and also much more prosperous.
Basically, there is ample proof that any countries that move in a less libertarian direction have less prosperity growth, while those that move in a more libertarian direction have more growth and more prosperity.
Prior to 1917, anyone openly advocating same-sex marriage would’ve been beaten to a pulp and run out of town. Not much different to proposing womens’ sufferage or racial integration. In the (19)70s, the resistance to racial integration (school bussing) was as violent in South Boston as in Birmingham. These facts are suppressed because folks might start ‘connecting the dots’ between social history and the rest of our history. America today is pretty much crap and our society is deracionated. Could the great days of our history and the solidarity of our culture be more than coincidence?
richard40,
The US back in the early 19 hundreds was one good example of the poor working conditions in American idustrialization, there were no child labor laws, accidents in the work place were numerous and I assume that much pollution produced during this period is still with us today…. so if this is a good example of Libertarianism as work then lets hope that toxic flavor never returns.
Don’t get me started on Chili or India or China , the latter two are the biggest polluters of the world presently… take a bow libertarian protagonist, you have the greatest toxic example of libertarian free hand that guides, but not found a hand that guides a sustainable or a successful example of where Libertarianism works in the free unregulated market or production in a sustainable sense.
The average GDP of all the people living since the earliest days of the human civilization remained relatively low and flat till the last 18th century. Gee, I wonder what happened right about then? Oh, that’s right, this little newborn country called the United States of America was created with the concepts of economic freedom.
I will say that it is true to some extent to say that Laissez-faire capitalism never work within in the world because that isn’t what the Founding Fathers created. Laissez-faire was a creation of French mercantilism and Capitalism is a word created by Karl Marx to demonize the western societies. So, no these are not in fact things that would have been found in the early parts of the economic history of the United States when we practice the concepts of free markets (with respect to rule of law and enforceable property rights) and freedom of economic mobility (no class warfare, no aristocracy). It was during the late 19th century when the United States had the greatest level of growth in GDP that has not been matched even to this day. This was before the creation of the Federal Reserve, before the New Deal, before the great society, before Medicare part — whatever letter we are up to today.
So, really your argument or whatever it is you were trying to say, Richard, is a complete non sequitur at best.
Josh Reiter,
The US first prospered economically in the Roaring twenties, with government investment side by side with the private sector…it was a break with traditions and conservatism… the arts flourished along side urbanization…but then the great depression hit.
Does not the constitution of this republic that has protected your right to purge your system of such undocumented tripe for more than 200 years have any meaning or do you claim suppression of slavery?
If you can point to the “great writers” philosophies other than the political speech writers that have coaxed you into neck deep sewage from whence you expound, by all means do so. Be certain of unlimited correction by critics herein of any instance bearing the treasonous thought contamination . They learned long ago to adhere to the prose of Patrick Henry and Nathan Hale.
Perhaps your literary idols were far too astutely narcissistic to look back at the real world for reference on occasion or merely blenders of fact into fiction exhibited in the works of William Faulkner or Harriet Beecher Stowe. True history, like honor, went out with dueling.
Talk is cheap, even literary fiction, but the season is being reopened with neurosis having been reclassified as a lesser degree of psychosis. The lines being drawn in the dust aren’t there for hopscotch.
Does not the constitution of this republic that has protected your right to purge your system of such undocumented tripe for more than 200 years have any meaning or do you claim suppression of slavery void of its benefits?
If you can point to the “great writers” philosophies other than the political speech writers that have coaxed you into neck deep sewage from whence you expound, by all means do so. Be certain of unlimited correction by critics herein of any instance bearing the treasonous thought contamination . They learned long ago to adhere to the prose of Patrick Henry and Nathan Hale.
Perhaps your literary idols were far too astutely narcissistic to look back at the real world for reference on occasion or merely blenders of fact into fiction exhibited in the works of William Faulkner or Harriet Beecher Stowe. True history, like honor, went out with dueling. But the season is being opened with neurosis having been reclassified as a lesser degree of psychosis.
Comrade Haden:
You don’t get out much, do you?
You are, in fact, living in a country that is the greatest success story of all time. (Incidentally, there’s no such thing as ‘capitalism’; the concept of ‘capitalism’ is sheer Marxist bilge. What it really is, is ‘freedom’. Adam Smith’s work is based on observations of what people actually practiced when left to their own devices and allowed to exercise their freedom. It may interest you to know that, in addition to a great degree of tyranny, there is precious little social mobility or innovation in Marxist countries. They have also all been proved to have failed. Even the Russians will admit that. You should read more widely.)
Also, your assertion that every creative person is necessarily ‘progressive’ does not even hold up as a logical syllogism. You realize, of course, that the label ‘progressive’ was co-opted by the marxists to make their political presence more palatable? Since you appear to be incapable, yourself, of self-reflection, it seems they have succeeded.
Anyway, I look forward to standing in line with you waiting for no more than two rolls of toilet paper on Wednesday mornings between the hours of 8AM and 9AM.
Ahem,
What has marxism to do with anything that I am talking about. Is it some kind of reflexive retort that comes from some deep seated inadequate ability, that you muster when you find yourself engaged in a conservation with one who criticizes the Libertarian ideology–which by the way is nothing other than a utopian belief system–not unlike Karl Marx’s belief that a centralized government would eventually fade away from some sort of dialectical realization in social evolution? ac
“Conservatives are in an unusual position: a primary field with several promising contenders who actually have to compete for our support. This is not a primary where we have to ‘settle.’”
2012 is NO time to Elect a Republican for the purpose of Electing a Republican.
That’s how we got Jim Jeffords and Arlen Specter!
It is also no time to be selecting a candidate solely because they are ‘Electable.’
That’s how we got Bob Dole and John McCain.
2012 is the year to nominate a Republican who WILL accomplish something. Mit Romney lacks Vision and Backbone. In 1994 he proved his lack of Vision when responding to Newt’s announcement of the Contract with America. “That’s the House, I’m running for the Senate,” was his first utterance the next day.
Romneycare established his lack of backbone. Instead of leading in an alternate direction he demonstrated his ‘ability’ to manage a democrat mess better than a democrat would manage it.
We NEED a NEW DIRECTION, not a fine tuning of the direction we’re headed.
……………
January 20 2013 – The End of an Error!
I’m not disagreeing, but if the candidate isn’t electable (and so not elected), they will not accomplish anything at all and it’s 4 more disastrous years of Obama.
“Electable” to Republican primary voters has generally meant “acceptable to the mainstream media”. That’s how Bob Dole and John McCain got their shots at the general election, and it’s how Reagan and both Bush’s got theirs as well.
But “acceptable to the mainstream media” doesn’t carry the weight that it used to. For the first time since W.R. Hearst, it may not matter what the mainstream media thinks.
Well said!!!!
I always thought ‘electable’ meant ‘able to win over the majority of voting independents.’ Independents make up about a third of the electorate, so whichever party can get the most independents generally wins.
Allow me to re-phrase: Republicans have always taken the acquiescence of the media as a strong signal that a candidate is acceptable to independent voters. I don’t think that the media’s priorities and the priorities of independent voters are aligned anymore.
So, I am wondering where you are considering throwing your support in terms of a candidate and why.
@jd
Mitt did damn well for a man that was not only handcuffed by the Dems in his state, but misquoted, lied about, thwarted, interfered with and generally over-ruled no matter what programs, policies, or positions he posited.
Imagine what he would be able to do with an ally in Congress!
Vision-20/20.
Backbone-steel!
I’d call that hogwash, but it wouldn’t be honest.
So, I’ll be honest – that’s a pack of LIES.
Mitt Romney almost single-handedly brought socialized medicine and homosexual marriage to Massachusetts.
Backbone? Yes, he has backbone.
He had the backbone to fight HARD for homosexual marriage and socialized medicine, and he has the backbone to lie about it today when it suits his political aspirations.
There is no more hypocritical politician on the national stage today than Mitt Romney.
There are no more hypocritical voters on the national stage today than Mormons who support Mitt “Hard core porn in the hotels” Romney.
Mark V,
So what is wrong with Gay marriage and socialized medicine exactly. Hopefully you will know the difference between the two.
Personally I think a single payer system is more suited too the the US instead of a pure socialized system that France has–which by the way is rated # 1, in the world.
If the G.O.P (the stupid party) keeps their open primaries, they will again have their opponent pick their candidate. It is way past time to close the primary for Republicans. Another “squish” candidate will result in the end of the U.S. as we know it, and usher in the “thousand years of darkness” and “the equal sharing of misery” for most people. Time to stand for the idea that is America!
As I understand it, he states determine the nature of the primary electorate, not the parties. Otherwise, there would not be some open and some closed primaries, some primaries, some caucuses.
In Michigan, the party determines whether it will conduct a primary or a caucus. The Democrats have conducted a presidential caucus every time since 1972, when George Wallace embarrassed the libs with a crushing primary win (thanks, in part, to Republican cross-overs as Nixon faced no opposition).
The Dems have wreaked havoc in subsequent GOP primaries, especially in 2000 (when McCain won). They still occasionally conduct primaries, but they’re a sham; the national delegates are chosen at the caucuses.
The Michigan Democratic Party already has announced it won’t hold a primary next year. I’ve urged my local GOP state senator to lead a switch from a primary to a party caucus — the perfect rationale would be to save the state from spending millions on an election — but I’ve heard no reply.
I suspect the “stupid party” is afraid of being called “undemocratic” if it dumps an open primary for a closed caucus. Thus, we can expect the Dems yet again will pick Michigan’s choice for the Republican nomination.
The first state primary is New Hampshire. And in NH, state law requires the primaries to be open.
Open primaries work both ways…an open GA primary allowed GOP voters to remove Cynthia McKinney from Congress….
and the guy who replaced Cynthia McKinney said Guam would ‘capsize’ if our Navy sent 2000 people to the island
I ‘d have preferred crazy Cynthia to be the face of Democrat party!
I do agree that the GOP ought to try an minimize the ability of Democrats selecting a lessor candidate. I do believe that is how McCain was the nominee back in 2008.
It works both ways, however, with Obama clearly in place, we need to take action.
The G.O.P. doesn’t have open primaries.
Some states do.
For example, in California, open primaries were instituted as a result of a citizen initiative. The California G.O.P. fought the measure, but it won.
The G.O.P. leadership (I use that term loosely!) is to blame for a lot of stupid things (Dole, McCain, etc.), but open primaries are not on that list.
The palinization of Mrs Palin in 2008 will seem like a garden party.
Marxism is in a bubble in this country and they know it. If they can’t push it over the top this time, they will have to go underground again for decades. Thousands who have dedicated their lives to becoming commissars will see their life work and their whole reason for existing wash away before their eyes.
It’s as existential for them as it is for us. And unlike us, they have no morals and no limits.
They will do anything to win.
I predict that Leftist threats of physical violence against TEA Party supported candidates, their families, and supporters will be carried out. In their delusional world, it will be considered revenge for the assassinations in the 1960′s. Except for Romney, perhaps. He is not a threat to anything the Left holds dear, other than holding the office. And that is not that great a threat.
Subotai Bahadur
There is speculation (and, not without some credibility) that the recent racially-motivated mob attacks in Wisconsin were fomented by the Left as revenge against Gov. Walker for the success of his policies.
Now, imagine what we could see when Obama is defeated, with or without political provocation from the Leftist machine.
Big US cities are no place to live, now. November 2012 could see many of them in flames. =’[.]‘=
Starting with DC, one hopes.
The mobs are indeed an organized action from the left, but not in response to any actions that have come so far. They are hoping that someone on the right will snap, giving them their “Reichstag Fire” moment, so they will be able to initiate martial law or other heavy-handed government crackdowns. They will use those actions to rule by fiat, bypassing the GOP-controlled House and the 4 full and 1 partial Constitutionalists on SCOTUS. Can you say Chief Justice Ginsburg or Sotomayor?
Have been saying this for several months. I look at blogs and message boards that a lot of conservatives dont read. The hate out there is unbelieveable! If President Obama loses (Fairly I might add), I fear the inner cities will erupt in violence because “their” President was stolen from them by racist America (Words I have read from them). Nevermind that the man wouldnt be sitting in the White House if “white America” didnt vote for him in 2008.
And people wonder why ammunition is scarce and flying off the shelves.
Have you read this from the Ulster Man Insider?
http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics/white-house-insider-the-obama-plan-part-two/
All you have to do is subtly remind the Left that they don’t get Secret Service protection like their hero.
That is why we need to go armed at all times. If a Democrat attacks you, don’t “think of the big picture.” Take him out right then and there. It’s called self-defense and is a constitutional right. If enough of the Far Left get killed, they will back off. They are cowards–that’s why they dodged the draft. So many GOP establishment types act as if they are supervillains–they are just cowardly punks seeing what they can get away with.
Once again, if you or your family are attacked by these degenerate perverts, DO NOT let them get away with it. Defend your family and kill the SOB.
Note that I am not making threats. I am pointing out to conservatives their constitutional right to defend themselves and their families from being raped and murdered by the degenerate Left.
Yeah, Ken that’s just what we need, the old west back again. Grow up! If the shooting starts we’ll all be back in the jungle.
This is a nation of laws. Try and remember that Constitution, we won’t restore it by being a bunch of thugs.
Why don’t you do something useful and go take a class on how to be a poll watcher- an unarmed poll watcher.
Dave, we are already worse than the “Old West”. The incident at the OK Corral, probably one of the most famous gunfights in american history, is a fine example. There were three people killed there… THREE! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunfight_at_the_O.K._Corral)
How many people are killed by violence here everyday now, and yet we don’t want to return to the “old west”? I for one am not going to roll over and allow any violent being to threaten or intimidate me. I own and carry, and I would love to see the majority of the citizenry do the same. An armed society is a polite society, and a polite society doesn’t go about shooting up schools and businesses.
Ken, since when is self defense classified as thuggery? The Old West nonsense is ALWAYS brought up by progressive to falsely label and scare people. How civilized is it to quake and huddle in fear, holding your shaking wife and children helplessly, as goblins spouting racial and class hatred surround you with malevolence before they rape and kill your family? Oh yeah Ken, YOU, my man, are a paragon of law aren’t you!! Cowardice in protecting yourself and family can no longer be disguised in terms of “being civilized”. This kind of racially motivated black hatred and white guilt by progressives is what precipitated the riots in England. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet, wait till Obama ramps up his race hate campaign of ’12, that will get America burning too. These racial “flash mobs” are just test runs to get things running smoothly for the burning and subsequent white guilt directed by media as they browbeat Americans into voting for Obama.
It would not surprise me one bit to see 2012 become another 1964 in some of the big cities, particularly if Obama loses the election.
Outstanding, Crackermike.
Sorry Ken, my comment should have been directed to Dave, excuse me.
you are just plain stupid and you wont last one day when this starts
yes, we have a constit. to lead us to be pansies that leave our guns at home, or to be melted down, and turned into plowshares….that is our CONST. RIGHT….it is also our const. right to pull a pistol from under our suit coat and blow someones brains out, when that person comes ar us to harm us or our friends or family….and that is the part of the const. that i will adhere to…..josie
Knowledgeable shooters don’t take head shots with handguns, except in rare circumstances.
Ken,
Bush and how many rich republicans dodged the draft… Surely you don’t think that it was endemic to the democrats only to evade the draft because the war was bad idea. Seems that, all the less connected could do, during that stupid war, was to run to Canada or where ever, to get out of that bad situation.
Scary stuff. But I believe you may be right.
Latest Time Magazine cover
Have any of you seen this yet?
http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,20110815,00.html
Top blurb:
“How the Tea Party Hijacked America”
Draw your own conclusions.
["2. Leftists fear conservative government because deep down they are afraid the policies will work and the country will prosper as a result and more people will abandon the progressive faith and they will no longer be able to live with the comforting delusion that they are superior to everyone around them."]
What ‘political’ nonsense!
America was founded upon a foundation of delicate ‘balance’ between the ideologies of theocracy and anarchism.
What we have today is a politcal mess from the nation and the government being consumed by the ‘extremes’ in battle for singular dominence.
The Tea Party folks can’t even define their identity in battle. They seek to stand for the values of a religious theocracy (Christianity) while denouncing the socialists (liberals) priciples of their Christianity teachings and at the same time stand next to the anarchists in alliance. At best, they represent a disingenuous illusion! They’re all about seeking a ‘congregational’ religious platform while manipulating/cherry picking the anarchist platform in a self serving manner. Much the same ways they cherry pick and use their bibles for self serving motives.
Unless America’s “centrist’s” rise up in sufficient numbers, the extremes are going to further destroy this nation.
Small government is good but also good, is the general welfare of the nation and its peoples. Maybe check out Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution:
["......for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States."]
The United States of course, being its land mass, its sovereign borders and the people.
The righteous zealot followers of the Tea Party are folks who have no problems with casting out/stoning their perceived lesser equals but also, have no problems with the increasing rise of wealth disperity and its created poverty. What Christian values is that? Maybe thats why the government and the constitution steps in?
Geez TT, get a grip. Now you’re off on this theocracy nonsense.
What theocracy is that? There isn’t a governement or a politician in the country who has the slightest twinge of theocracy.
This is just nutty talk.
Take your “I’m the only centrist in the room” position if you want to. At least you have an argument with that one. But theocracy? Get real. Stop embarrassing yourself.
proreason…I’m rather amazed you don’t have an understanding of the ingredients of our foundation. The founders didn’t pray to God and God directed them to stones inscripted with the framing a revolutionary new concept of a democratic government or a capitialist economic society.
The founders were learned, and had a good understanding of world history. They certainly understood Theocracy as one of the oldest forms of government, in fact, the very earliest form of government was a mixture of aristocracy and theocracy. Likewise a democratic government was certainly nothing new to the world…not even North America, if you care to read about the The Native American people of the Six Nations….who by the way were guests and friends of the founders. I would think that most who are informed might well know the history of anarchy as the — opposition — to an organized forms of goverment….such as Theocracy or democracy. In other words, the alternative of…. So yes, the founders greatest influences by experience was a Theocracy (an absolute monarchy) form of government in their case and by knowledge, its opposite…. Anarchism.
Thus, we have a constitutional republic that frames a — balance — between the two such as, a limited and democratic government, freedom of religion… not a state religion and Theocracy government and a free society vs. organized government with a foundation of law and order.
Today, there continues to be religious congregational doctrinal forces that are attempting to revisit the founders debates over religion and religion in or influencing government and government policy making. That skirts once more around Theocrasy and is anti-constitutional.
The founders were learned, and had a good understanding of world history.
No doubt…no doubt. Unfortunately, that’s more than we can say about you. Your errors and incoherence don’t become any more correct or lucid simply by repeating them.
But I note that you, with all your self annointed intellect, were unable to contribute a single shred of evidence to the contrary. Appears you’re a graduate of Alinsky University?
But I note that you, with all your self annointed intellect, were
unablereluctant to contribute a single shred of evidence to the contrary.FIFY
At times like this I have to ask myself if it’s actually worth it. I mean, should I really take the time to provide examples merely to persuade the goldfish? Likewise, should I take the time to educate you?
Moira
Your first instint was correct. Don’t feed the trolls.
I suppose somewhere there might be some fruitcake that thinks we should be a theocracy, but nobody I’ve come across in the Tea Party does. The Tea Party is 100% about fiscal issues. It draws people like Bachmann who tend to lead with their chin on religious issues, but just because someone is a strong Christian (or any other religion) doesn’t make them a theocrat to anybody but the fevered left.
And in no way does the Tea Party make common cause with anarchists. NOBODY makes common cause with anarchists except other anarchists…they are stupid people who have not taken their chosen philosophy to its logical conclusion in their own mind. The Tea Party is for LIMITED government according to the constitution, not NO government. It is possible to strike a balance. The founders did.
TT Thomas,
Go back to school…. anarchism is very similar to libertarianism in the sense that anarchist, especially the anarchist of 17th century England and later, or in France, Italy, etc– as well as left leaning libertarians, also from where ever, were in favor of small community self governance. Which is not like the cliche that many yahoos hold, that anarchist merely run in the streets for the sake of running in the street like wild men.
Seriously man, you should learn to be better informed, so that you don’t read like an uninformed Tea Party idiot.
America was founded upon a foundation of delicate ‘balance’ between the ideologies of theocracy and anarchism.
That’s so incorrect that I don’t know whether to laugh at you or cry for you. The irony is that I’m sure you consider yourself an intellectual. If so, then delusional would be an appropriate adjective in your case… There was nothing anarchistic about the Founders. Nor was anyone proposing a “theocracy.” There is nothing remotely anarchistic or theocratic about the Tea Party, either.
Your whole comment reads like a pathetic attempt to imitate Debbie Wasserman Schultz: vomiting a stream of non sequiturs and barely-understood talking points that somebody did a poor job of teaching you. That’s not the way to influence people.
Pay no attention to TT. He started posting a few months ago, and he and I would have discussions here. He was consistent, respectful, and respectful. Suddenly, about a month ago, he swung wildly Left, and recently, he’s all over the place.
I know he’s an old guy and a decent guy. I think he just snapped or something. At times it is like two different people posting. Maybe someone is posting in his place. I dunno. Kinda makes me sad to see it.
Actually Marc, I’m mighty fine but thanks for your comments which are sadly accurate. This site was my first and only internet activity in my lifetime. It started out rather nicely with respectuful replies to my postings. Then, the minute I inject some realism into my comments I’m assassinated in the most vile ways by folks who turned out to be superficial politcal zealots. Then I realized these folks who annointed themselves as intellectuals, were anything but. I followed their ‘selective’ readings and absolute referencing and noted most of the people were of the modern era. Their only points of reference in life are contained in books authored of interpretations, philosophies and theories. There is nobody more reprehensable than a close minded zealot!
Democrats are not evil people! Republicans are NOT evil people! They both are our families, our neighbors, our co-workers and our friends….Americans all!
The lessers of wealth and abilities of our society are NOT evil people! They are again, our families, our neighbors, our co-workers and our friends….Americans all! Classes of our soceity that all to many on here cast stones at and in fact, all to many would willing sacrifice for their own selfish benefit.
Then comes the arrogant hypocrits! They come arrogantly to pronounce they have no culpability for all they adjudicate in their minds as wrong in America. They are vehemently divisive perpetuating a division by right and wrong…evil and righteous.
And who do these people I’m addressing represent? The ChristianCoailition-TeaParty folks.
Now, as to my comments about Theocracy vs. Anarchism! There is no evidence the founders had any considerations of socialism which has its origins in the French Revolution of 1789. On the otherhand, the founders had living experience with Theocracy, albeit in the form of an Absolute Monarchy, and a knowledge of Anarchism…two of the oldest forms of historic geopolitical ideologies. The founders gave to us a constitution that balances the tenents of organized government vs. unorganized government. It also balanced the tenents of religion and Theocracy in our constitution; thus, the populist argument that continues today, over the constitutional role of the government in or over religion and religious matters.
If one really reads and understands the constitution, they will see all the references to indivdual and society freedoms from the organized government…tenents of anarchist ideology. Likewise, they will read of religion to be set apart from the government but remain an exercise of free choice. Furthermore, the founders and the foundations of the constitution ‘relate’ to the organized religion of Christianity but short of a state religion. In short, it IS a delicate balance of Theocrasy vs. Anarchism. I have recently laid it out in long form with citations elsewhere on here.
In conclusion Marc….I would be equally hated I supose on a ‘liberal’ site for my commenting to them. The dissention of the moment between the two or more sides seems over the issues of social welfare and a tad bit of corporate and commerce welfare. The latter of which ‘everybody’ has their own sacred cows in the race….though many either ignorantly or intentionaly deny it. One side absolutely denies the constitutions Article I, Section 8 “….provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;” or conveniently and self servingly redines it to suit their own motives….while another sides rests heavily upon it. The United States only consists of three (3) fundamental components…Land mass, sovereign borders and the people. The defense and welfare mandates are the ‘sole mission statement’ and the rest of the section is constitutional congressional process.
It is not unreasonable for any side to have a debate over the size of government and welfare. However, to ignore or deny a government role in the welfare of the people and even its economy is simply irresponsible, especially at a time when the nations disperity of wealth is so great and the majority of top wealth holders are investing their money off shore…both creating a further increase in the nations ‘income’ poverty.
Sorry, but these are NOT tax and regulatory problems! These are moral and patriotic problems! This realism needs to be addressed even though zealots live and breath outside the world realism.
Boo! you silly old fart…”10The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom;
all who follow his precepts have good understanding.” That is the Wisdom our founding fathers used…That is why what they did worked…They First feared the LORD…I’d be a Zealot any day than an unbelieving Gentile with no hope. I hope you have money stashed away for a rainy day because your going to need it since you obviously don’t know GOD – If you don’t have money and you don’t have GOD, your going to be in bad shape in the not too distant future…Fear the LORD, and hope doesn’t let what you have, be taken away in a twinkling of an eye…You obviously have no fear of what could happen to you for being in this place unprotected by the goodness of GOD. Can we call you Mr. Soros, for he doesn’t believe in GOD eather, so I hope you like the nasty company you have (though Soro’s has money, he’s covered, he can afford to be nasty…).
Galatians 2:16 “16know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.”
Psalm 111
1Praise the Lord.
I will extol the Lord with all my heart
in the council of the upright and in the assembly.
2Great are the works of the Lord;
they are pondered by all who delight in them.
3Glorious and majestic are his deeds,
and his righteousness endures forever.
4He has caused his wonders to be remembered;
the Lord is gracious and compassionate.
5He provides food for those who fear him;
he remembers his covenant forever.
6He has shown his people the power of his works,
giving them the lands of other nations.
7The works of his hands are faithful and just;
all his precepts are trustworthy.
8They are steadfast for ever and ever,
done in faithfulness and uprightness.
9He provided redemption for his people;
he ordained his covenant forever—
holy and awesome is his name.
10The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom;
all who follow his precepts have good understanding.
To him belongs eternal praise.
TT
I am a Tea Party Patriot. I am not religious. I am concerned that Michelle Bachman is described as the Tea Party darling because of her idea that evangelical birds should inform legislation.
My group supports:
* Constitutionally limited government
* Balanced budgets
* Free markets
* Personal responsibility
* Individual freedoms
What’s not to like?
birds?
Lol-should be “beliefs”
Damn iphone
Thank you for the entertaining mental image though; the evangelical bird descended from the sky like a Dove and pooped on some guy named Markos.
I kind of like theological birds!
Is that an angry birds add-on?
Thanks Nana for at least a mature adult response!
Theres nothing not to like in you list…nothing at all.
However, whats your comprehensive plans to fix the economy, jobs and the national debt besides….lower taxes, less regulations, cut, cap and balance?
Don’t you think that if those were the absolute cures as being touted by the TeaParty-GOP, folks on both sides of the divide would be tromping each other to get them implememented…each claiming the success to win the upcoming election? Sofar, there’s no plans out there that doesn’t further add to the national debt…not even those I listed above. So again, how does your list directly fix the problems of reality?
I think personal responsibility, along with govt responsibility would go a long way in helping our situation. After all, it’s irresponsible spending on most of our parts, especially the govt, that got us into this mess to begin with, along with a lot of greed.
I believe our forefathers’ intentions for govt was not to take care of those who felt unable or unwilling to take care of themselves, but rather to organize a united front to defend the right for us to take care of ourselves.
["I believe our forefathers’ intentions for govt was not to take care of those who felt unable or unwilling to take care of themselves, but rather to organize a united front to defend the right for us to take care of ourselves."]
You’re probably right! Going forward, folks should probably plan on working until they die and if adjudicated as infirm, be cast away. No doubt you’re right in that, the founders when writing the constitution envisioned a suvival of the fittest society….following of course the prescripts of Chirstianity.
If only the world was as simplistic and superficial as so many seemingly believe!
Well, Triple T, in my 50 years of politics, the Tea Party is the first to grasp the problem in the kind of numbers that might one day make a difference. This threatens our nation, and you need to grasp it. In a nutshell:
Back when Kennedy took office and signed an EO permitting govt workers to unionize, 1 person in 19 worked in the public sector. For five decades the left has been growing the public sector (at the expense of all the productive sectors) as fast as it can (the better to offer cushy jobs to their loyal foot soldiers) to the point that we now have 22 million govt workers and 8 million in public education out of a total workforce of 150 million (although that’s been slipping since the Congress went Dem in 07).
The problem is that all jobs are not the same. All pay taxes, but jobs in the public sector get their salaries, taxes and benefits covered by tax revenue–they are tax consumers. Ultimately, workers in the private sector are the only true taxpayers–they have to earn a salary to pay the taxes to pay the salary to pay the taxes of a public worker.
Back then, we needed the taxes of 2 earners to cover the public employee. That left 16 out of 19 taxpayers to pay for everything else–Social Security, schools and libraries, satellites, highways and so on. That’s sustainable.
Now it’s down to 1 in 5, but public salaries and especially pensions are way up. Now it take 3 earners to cover the non-earner. That leaves 1 taxpayer in 5 to cover everything else, and it simply cannot be done. That explains how and why the Dems have saddled us with this enormous debt while feeding us the fictions that the size of government is nothing more than a matter of taste and that a job in the public sector helps the economy rather than burdens it. It also means any attempt to rev up the economy before this enormous structural problem begins to be dealt with is doomed.
What we must do in reasonably short order is shift 20-million jobs from the public to the private sector while also keeping taxes low and slashing regulatory oversight in order to rev up the economy to cover those jobs plus another 10 million to take care of the current un- and under-employed. But how do you put tens of millions on a skim-milk diet who already have the cream of Big Gov dribbling down their chins?
Are you planning to fix this problem with the same “mainstream” Republicans who barely made any difference as we ended up in this desperate situation? Time for everybody to trade their worthless Republican (or Democrat) politicians in for the new breed of Republican willing to do the heavy lifting to “balance” the government and restore us to enterprise and prosperity.
Thanks for all the information! I’ve lived my 83 years with blinders on so I’ve not aware of to much. Thanks again!
TT, my main issue with your post is that, like so many of the left, described the Tea Party in violent terms. Using terms such as “stoning their perceived lesser equals” paints the Tea Party as something they are not.
What Tea Party meeting was violent? It seems to the left that is the group capable of resorting to the use of that tactic. Their rage is getting out of hand. The latest round in Wisconsin should be wake up call for all of us.
Scott..to you also, I commend you for a mature adult repsonse.
My stated conclusions are drawn solely from the commenting on this site over the months I been coming here. Actually, thats not entirely accrate. I’m told that the TeaParty polling is descending which would mean to me that other folks seemingly have some differences with them. I started out with a great deal of financial support for several TeaParty entities. However, they have since evolved into something other than their origin. That something is who has risen up to command national control of the TeaParty today…..the old Christian Coailition folks…specifically the denominational and doctrinal Evangelical folks. Thats more than scary on several levels!
Regards!
Your stupidity is showing. You obviously know nothing about the Tea Party Patriots. When you know nothing about something you should keep your mouth shut.This is about balancing the budget!! Stopping the spending ! Reining in the mobsters that have put us where we are now! How difficult is it to understand that big government is out of control? People like you are the ones that got us where we are now.
sandra…with all due respect, you represent what is wrong with the TeaParty and its followers!
What precisely, is the lower tax rate you support?
What precisely, are the excessive reglulations you support putting the ax to?
What precisely, are the spending cuts you support and how much?
What precisely, is the jobs plan you support?
What precisely, is the big three social reforms you support?
What precisely, is the fed policy you support?
What precisely, is the import reforms you support?
What precisely, is the Iraq and Afghanistan plan you support?
What precisely, is the housing reform plan you support?
What precisely, is the plan for national infrastructure revitalization you support?
What precisely, is the plan you support to reign in unsustainable national health care inflation?
And the long list continues! Government and governing is far more than political simplistic and superficial rhetoric for votes. Government and governing is vast and complex with thousands of dots all connected one to another.
And you annoint yourself as the master of who can speak and who can’t based on your personal adjudication of who konws and doesn’t know anything? I’m suggesting its folks like you who are driving the popularity numbers ‘down’ for the TeaParty. That said, you have a home of equals on this site!
If you are Tea Party, you are a terrorist. Sarah Palin is a mouthpiece for the Tea Party which represents nothing but hatred and dissension. Her rhetoric and violence-inciting imagery IS a form of terrorism and a prime example. She held Jared Lee Loughner’s hand while he murdered people with his misguided sensibilities. I was compelled to draw a visual commentary showing her handing him the gun on my artist’s blog at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2011/01/sarah-palin-made-me-do-it.html She’ll go to any lengths and keep spewing her insanity for that attention (and the money of course.)
Brandt Hardin: You and your art belong in NYC – not Tennessee. enuf said.
Well, I see that the lefty lurkers wasted no time in proving David Swindle’s point.
“I was compelled to draw a visual commentary….” Is that artist-speak for piling-on?
Noooo, garrettc;
“I was compelled to” is nutjob-speak for “the voices in my head told me to”.
My own guide for those who have chosen to conflate terrorism with a grass-roots move towards fiscal conservatism, strict constitutionalism and free and open markets is here.
http://open.salon.com/blog/sgt_mom/2011/08/03/terrorism_tea_party_hobbits
Oh, and Brandt? I’ve used pictures also, and relatively small words.
Thank you for using a full name.
But you are still a foaming at the mouth nut.
“She’ll go to any lengths and keep spewing her insanity for that attention (and the money of course.)”
Not at all like you, right? Project much, do you?
Moderators, isn’t his post specifically a violation of the rules?
Nice parody site! They really could use an artist like you at the Onion!
Barking Moonbat, frothing at the mouth. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Well, I may disagree with your rather crazed and puerile diatribe but after looking at your (ahem) “artwork” I have to say you have a better shot at becoming a NY Times Op-ed columnist than a cartoonist or illustrator.
“I have to say you have a better shot at becoming a NY Times Op-ed columnist….”
A better SHOT? Such vile rhetoric! Didn’t you get the Obama “civility memo”? Brandt’s already drawing a “visual commentary” of you too, MisterH!
.. this coming from someone that obviously knows about spewing insanity !
What happened to “Dissent is patriotic?” Oh yeah, you’re a bunch of idiots- I apologize, I forgot.
But for real: Do you really want to keep pushing us? We can destroy all of you, but we choose to use the Constitution as our guide.
But we can switch to the Declaration of Independence at any time.
(Yawn) And I suppose you’ll move to Canada if Perry is the next President.
“She held Jared Lee Loughner’s hand while he murdered people with his misguided sensibilities.”
Right…revisionist history??? Loughner was anything but a Tea Party guy, as was proven after his arrest, and subsequent media blackout on his motivations. He was a leftist if anything, and a wing nut.
As for being in the Taliban wing of the Republican party, I sure would like to bring you over here to meet a real Tailban. You could give him a hug, and tell him how wrong America is. I will even come back the next day to collect your body..thats the nice guy I am
.
Keep your day job. Oh really? That’s not a surprize.
David Swindle, fanboy. You might consider vacating this space, and allowing an actual journalist have a go. Bonus trivia: what was the deficit prior to GW Bush’s tenure, and what was it when he left office? Based on your tortured logic, he must’vebeen a leftist.
In many ways G.W. Bush IS a leftist – or more accurately a progressive. He received a great deal of criticism from conservatives for the spending that took place during his tenure in office as did the GOP congress he had between 2002 and 2006. Bush II hold some conservative views but his ideas on government influence and size and on spending are not at all those held by conservatives.
Foont,
Leftists have a collective memory of ten minutes ago. Trying to convince them of any historic fact is like trying to pull teeth from a Hen.
Anyone with a memory will remember in 2006 all the conservatives calling Squish RINO talk show hosts to let them know that “Republicans DESERVE to Loose.” Those same folks are now the Tea Party.
But don’t expect a leftist to acknowledge facts. As far as they are concerned -Right Wing Nutjobs Religeoulsy Defended Bush in a way they never did defend Clinton-
jd
Bonus trivia: what was the deficit prior to GW Bush’s tenure, and what was it when he left office?
How is this relevant to the article?
But if you’re trying to insinuate that the Tea Party is hypocritical on the issue of spending then I would remind you that the Tea Party has not and does not defend Bush’s record on that issue. But when it comes to wasting taxpayer dollars, nobody has been more wasteful, ideologically misguided and incompetent than ObaMao. Also, I hope you’re not operating under the delusion that Clinton reduced the national debt or even that he left Bush with a “budget surplus.”
Next you will bring up that Clinton had a surplus, well not really, came close. Did you forget that the GOP controlled the house, forced Clinton to cut spending, reform welfare, and numerous other actions good for the economy. The deficit went down each year with the GOP in control. Then bounced up due to 9/11 and commenced to go down again until the progressives took control of the house in January 07. Lets see the deficit went up in 07, 08 then the first year of Obama’s administration it really went up. 1.7 trillion up. in 10 over one trillion. Projected for 11, 1.2 trillion.
Lets talk unemployment and inflation. Under Bush unemployment less than 5%. Inflation under 1.5%. Using the same formulas as Bush, the Obama unemployment is 18% and inflation is 9.8%.
There are very few Democrats left in Washington. The progressives have been working at taking over both political parties for over 100 years. They have succeeded in taking over the Democrat party and are half way with the Republican party. The DINOs and RINOs are all progressives. progressives can not be trusted, they will lie at the drop of a hat. They are certain that the end justifies the means, so it’s lie, cheat, steal, even murder if it furthers their goals.
The progressives in this nation think that they have won. That they have just a few small details to take care of. Look at history, every nation taken over by progressives loses a large percentage of its population. That population disappears into unmarked graves. Look up what Bill Ayers, Obama’s close friend and confidant, said he would do to consolidate power. It involves at least 30 million Americans with a bullet in the head.
Wake up America!
I’m not a journalist. I’m a New Media troublemaker.
David….["I’m a New Media troublemaker."]
Though I have no tolerance for such…I do however, appreciate your honesty!
No teleprompter? How progressive.
“Ugly” barely describes it. By the time this is in full-swing we will have to devise a new word for the feral ferocity that will be unleashed against anyone endorsed or supported by the Tea Party. Just think of everything said and written by the Left in the last two years about Sarah Palin and quadruple it.
Rabid. Political rabies.
“2. Leftists fear conservative government because deep down they are afraid the policies will work and the country will prosper as a result and more people will abandon the progressive faith and they will no longer be able to live with the comforting delusion that they are superior to everyone around them.”
If that’s the case, then we never would have had a Democratic president, let alone a socialist like Obama, after Ronald Reagan. People tend to forget how well Republican administrations run, at least financially speaking. I’m sure America would love to go back to the 5% unemployment George W. Bush had. Clinton also had a good economy, but don’t forget it was a new Republican Congress under Newt Gingrich that forced him to curb his spending. Remember, Clinton wanted to pay for “Hillary Care” universal health care. Remember that one? But it was the Republicans who stopped him on that. Too bad the Republicans were not strong enough to stop Obamacare.
“If that’s the case, then we never would have had a Democratic president, let alone a socialist like Obama, after Ronald Reagan.”
Not quite. George H.W. Bush’s incompetence (and Ross Perot’s narcissism) are what made Bill Clinton possible.
I understand everyone’s pride in the Tea Party’s ability to direct the conversation in DC. I am a Tea Party Patriot. My group believes in:
* Constitutionally limited government
* Balanced budgets
* Free markets
* Personal responsibility
* Individual freedoms
There are no requirements to be anti gay or evangelical. The problem is that this election will NOT be decided by right wing Christians or Leftist Liberals but Independents. If we put up a candidate that moderates are afraid of, that look “flaky” or believe gays can be cured…they will stay home. We need them like never before.
Focusing on social engineering instead of fiscal issues will put BHO back in the WH and he will finish destroying our country.
Conservatives can not espouse smaller government and push federal laws on social causes. I promise you that even people fed up with Obama will recoil from a candidate who insists that being gay is always a choice.
I’m just sayin’
And if you put up a progressive (R) for the nomination, then the Conservatives will simply let Obama have the win. I will not support another progressive (R), Bush was the last one I will ever support, McCain was the last one that I will just simply stay home in protest, instead, I vote for the full progressive, and talk my family into following suit.
A group of conservative bloggers and commenters got together in 2008 at sites like Townhall and Blogspot and started calling ourselves the Saint Crispin’s Day Society. We few, we band of brothers refused to hold our noses and vote for McCain. We all voted either Libertarian Party or Constitution Party in the Presidential election. If McCain had won, we’d have 95% of the socialist junk Obama-Reid-Pelosi have put into play, but the GOP would have gotten 100% of the blame. It would also have resulted in a landslide for the Dems and eithr Hillary! or Obama in 2012.
The Constitution is NOT a right-wing extremist document. Supporting the Constitution is the American CENTRIST position. Today’s GOP stands about where the Democrats stood under JFK (center-left), while today’s Dems stand solidly with Lenin.
The Republican party of today is twenty points to the left of where the Democrat party is supposed to be under normal circumstances.
The political spectrum from one on the right to one hundred on the left. The politics of the people is at forty and does not move from there. The Republican party should be 30-35 but is currently 60-65. The Democratic party should be 45-50, yes they belong slightly to the right of center, but they are 75-80. The media except for Fox are 80 plus in order to refer to the Democrats as moderate. Fox is 65-70, that way they can refer to Republicans as far right.
Would it not be heaven to have a media outlet at 40 with the parties where they belong?
Then you care more about your own pride than you do for your country. Your opinion is a prime example of the perfect being the enemy of the good. And when America falls because of those actions that foolish pride won’t taste very good.
Pride goeth before a fall. And what a big fall it will be.If you stayed home rather than vote for McCain you may as well have voted for Obama.
I would take Bush back in a minute over this guy. And if you wouldn’t then you are simply wrong. That’s not opinion it is objective fact. (I don’t care if that makes you mad. I am tired of trying to be nice and politically correct)
Yea,
Those arrogant folks over at Townhall should have done the same thing republican’ts have always done before, expecting a different result this time of course!
While I share your view that the social issues should not be the forefront of this election, were the nomination to go to Bachmann she’d be able to overcome the leftist smear of her — especially if the economy is as crappy in November 2012 as it looks like it’ll be.
Incorrect sir. If not now, when? If never, then we’re toast and deservedly so. We cannot survive as a nation based on liberal amorality. Better to have the fight now.
I’ll vote for the Constitution Party before supporting one more of these condescending RINO twits for President.
Look at it from a completely fiscal pov with a hypothetical….Paul Ryan’s gets accepted (which ain’t happening)….we’re still toast economically, I think. Thus, even the boldest, bravest, best case scenarior Man can dream of still has us dead. We need a miracle, and we know who specializes in miracles. Time to repent of our sins, both fiscal and otherwise, and beg for the treasureboxes of Heaven to be opened up.
Or we can listen to the God-haters, and try to dig our own selves out of the Pit with a plastic spoon.
I have little incentive to argue with those who declare their willingness to vote for an anti-Semitic, conspiracy group like the Constitution Party.
I hate to beat this old drum, but the American Republic will survive IF the Tea Party types start attending meetings from the local school board, through the State budget committees, to the President.
Local involvement is the most important way to free Americans from the kudzu of regulation.
and, now I must begin to attend meetings of the local city council, myself!
Another battle in the war on the Progressives.
Rick Perry: “I’ll work every day to make Washington, D.C. as inconsequential in your life as I can.”
I know what he means and am sympathetic. But he also needs to know that government has a responsibility to the rule of law. The government needs to secure our borders and send ILLEGAL ALIENS home. We need a staunch proponent of the rule of law. Obviously, Obama cares nothing for it.
Mr. Swindle – the real tactic of the left to ensure victory will be to cast millions of illegal and farudulent votes, and then use violence or the threat of it to stop those who would interfere. The Black Panther incident, and Holder’s refusal to prosecute, is a good example. Another (well documented at PJM) is the number of Communists that Holder has hired, who will make sure that the power of the Obama regime (Rush is right in calling it that) will be used to force local election districts to count these millions of illegal votes.
We could be forced into a situation where Obama wins narrowly by cheating, and a (to be) Republican U.S. Congress and the GOP Presidential candidate refuse to recognize him, leading to widespread violence, possibly even civil war.
In 2004 a book came out which answers your entirely reasonable point: If it’s Not Close They Can’t Cheat.
The progressive agenda has carried the day of issue after issue. Health care, reverse discrimination, abortion, same sex marriage, EPA expansion,immigration,carbon control,entitlements,loan subsidies,the litigation explosion,m and on and on have all been resolved as per progressive doctrine. Ultimately, massive spending will destroy our economy but those responsible will be long gone. Since times re tough now (we think) why not borrow 42 cents of every dollar we spend. The msm can’t comprehend that the cost of the 42 cents we borrow. Every dollar Obama wastes will cost our children five dollars to pay back. Actually, it will be all payed from the hide of the American small saver. Those few dollars saved after onerous taxes will be drained of their value. Inflation is the ultimate wealth distribution. Our economy is rigged so the small saver pays the bill for a 1.6 trillion dollar party. The right should take little glee over the contempt Americans will fill for progressives after our economy fails.
The progressive agenda has carried the day of issue after issue. Health care, reverse discrimination, abortion, same sex marriage, EPA expansion,immigration,carbon control,entitlements,loan subsidies,the litigation explosion,and on and on have all been resolved as per progressive doctrine. Ultimately, massive spending will destroy our economy but those responsible will be long gone. Since times re tough now (we think) why not borrow 42 cents of every dollar we spend. The msm can’t comprehend that the cost of the 42 cents we borrow. Every dollar Obama wastes will cost our children five dollars to pay back. Actually, it will be all payed from the hide of the American small saver. Those few dollars saved after onerous taxes will be drained of their value. Inflation is the ultimate wealth distribution. Our economy is rigged so the small saver pays the bill for a 1.6 trillion dollar party. The right should take little glee over the contempt Americans will fill for progressives after our economy fails.
A corollary of #3 is that because they’re not self-reflective, it’s impossible for them to reflect on anyone else’s thoughts as well. Leftists literally cannot think like conservatives even if they want to- hence, the “What’s The Matter With Kansas?” kind of comment. This has actually been proven to be true by at least one scientific study that I’m aware of.
This inability to see another’s point of view is why they’re constantly shocked when other people don’t agree with them, as seen after last week’s recall results in Wisconsin. Defeat was not even on their radar screens- and so their celebratory parties turned into wakes and the talking heads on MSNBC were visibly stunned.
As such, the Left not only misunderstands their opponents, but they misunderstand how independents are going to view the mud that’s about to be slung at the Tea Party. Let the Left and its enablers in the media go berserk- at the end of the day it’ll become glaringly apparent to most sane people exactly who the truly crazy ones are.
Good article, however,
When a politician states they will make DC inconsequential, the reality is DC will become a much bigger part of your life.
When Government passes legislature called tax simplification, the reality is the tax code just doubled in size and scope
When no child is left behind, take a look behind you
Ect, etc, etc, ad nauseum………………………………..
Any time a Politician tells you what you want to hear, that is the time to be doubly suspicious, question their motives, and place their feet squarely over the fire. Did you not learn with President Obama..?? Any time a crowd is electrified by a political speech, so rapt they cling to any words that resonate…it signals clear and impending desperation.
If America cannot distinguish between reality and fantasy any longer, we are surely doomed.
Please, Alex, “ad nauseam.” Political passion is no excuse for bad Latin.
“If you are Tea Party, you are a terrorist.”
Not yet. But, if lefties don’t quit using government to steal from me, in order to pay the personal bills of lefties…I will be.
Get this through your heads… it’s not my function to pay your rent, your food bills, or your medical bills.
And, it is going to stop…one way or the other.
I guarantee it.
News Flash! Perry isn’t Tea Party. He’s a moderate Democrat. You’re all being hoodwinked ala McCain/Palin once again. Wake up.
Moderate Democrats do not produce the kinds of economies that Texas has right now.
Did Perry?
I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve heard leftists yapping about what a great economy we had under Clinton, of course giving him credit for it.
So I’ll ask YOU the Texas version of the same question I ask THEM:
What policy or policies did Rick Perry implement, or try to implement, which directly or indirectly produced a better economy in the state of Texas during his governorship?
Oh, and no fair giving him credit for signing bills produced by other people.
Alright, I’ll bite. Whose policies and leadership and responsible for Texas’ economic success if not Perry’s?
The Republican led House and Senate – many of whom are Tea Party backed.
@Iggy Rules
But how can the Tea Party claim it is responsible for Texas’ economic success when Perry has been governor since 2000 and the Tea Party has only just emerged in the last few years? What policies by Texas legislators put into office via the Tea Party were primarily responsible for the state’s economic growth?
Yes, “…an equally forceful stance is the proper response.” Definitely. This is why we need a bare-knuckle conservative candidate in 2012. Bachmann, Perry, or Cain. Please God, not Mitt Establishment.
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http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
“Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive”
Ione
I would take Bush back in a minute over this guy. And if you wouldn’t then you are simply wrong. That’s not opinion it is objective fact. (I don’t care if that makes you mad. I am tired of trying to be nice and politically correct)
So would I, and so would pretty much anyone. And I note that I voted for Sarah Palin, and only unavoidably thusly for John McCain, even though it counted as a vote for him.
However the option you offer, taking Bush back in a minute; was nowhere on the menu of choices we were offered. We had, functionally, only two choices; Buraq Hussein Obama or John McCain. And McCain had made stabbing his fellow Republicans in the back while seeking the approval of the Leftist media the hallmark of his career, came very close to becoming Democrat John Kerry’s vice-presidential running mate, and except for a very few months before the 2010 election when he was being challenged from the Right he has resumed his hallmark. And that is objective fact.
A McCain presidency would have followed much of the same course as the Obama presidency [including the stimuli, because if his esteemed colleagues across the aisle would have wanted it, he would have continued his support of TARP into anything they wanted. The primary difference is that the opposition to this would not be driving the Republican party, however unwillingly, as it is now. The opposition [us] would be facing open warfare from both parties, including the Republican Leadership, and probably would have been expelled.
There were no good options in 2008. We may not have them again in 2012. In 2010 we had plenty of proof that the Institutional Republican Party would happily prefer to lose to the Democrats than win with a TEA Party Republican. I offer Maryland, Nevada, Alaska, various congressional races around the country; and my home state of Colorado.
Here, TEA Party candidates won the nomination for the US Senate and Governor. The state Republican Party ignored the Senate race, because they were concentrating on the Governor race ….. supporting the Constitution Party candidate over the Republican, knowing it would give the victory to the Democrat. The same thing they accuse us of wanting to do.
TEA Party candidate [Dan Maes] won the Republican nomination for Governor fair and square; clearly defeating all opposition in the Primary. After he was formally named as the candidate, the State Central Committee tried to oust him. They failed.
You may remember a former Congressman named Tom Tancredo known for immigration as his main issue. The State Central Committee got together with him and the Constitution Party. Tancredo changed registration to Constitution Party. The Constitution Party, being a “minor party” here can name its candidates at will, no convention or primary needed, but they have to petition to get on the ballot. In return for naming Tancredo as their governor candidate, the Republican party sent their donors to the Constitution Party. If they got 10% of the governor vote, the Constitution Party would [and did] get automatic ballot access for all their candidates as a “major party” under Colorado law. With no support from the state party, Dan lost. The Republican Party got what it wanted, the TEA Party candidate defeated. The Constitution Party got what it wanted, major party status. Tancredo switched back to Republican a week after the election, and now is well thought of by the Central Committee. The only problem is that now we have Marxist Democrat Senator from the Peoples’ Republic of Boulder, Colorado, and a Socialist Democrat as Governor whose two issues are raising taxes and collective bargaining for all state employees.
Because the Institutional Republican Party considers the TEA Party and Conservatives as more an enemy than the Democrats.
Make no mistake about it, if they can nominate Romney to continue the line of Dole and McCain and thus lose; the Republican Party will. Unless we hold their feet to the fire. If we do not succeed in defeating the Institutional Republicans, then there is really no point in helping them collaborate with the Democrats.
Subotai Bahadur
Since the opening quote was mine, I guess I should respond.
You are correct in what you say. Bush was not an option, McCain was. However, the same people that defend not voting as an option also, in most cases, target Bush as the instigation of all evil. I guess I could have been more specific.
As to McCain…of course he was a terrible candidate, much like Dole. I hated my choices, but I voted for McCain. And although he may have been brave in the military he is a compromiser on legislation. I know this. However, if he had been elected things would have been only half as bad as they are now. First our Foreign Policy would not be what it is now. We wouldn’t have Obamacare and I doubt we would have had the debt we currently have. We would still be in a hole, but it would be only half as deep. I know that is not good enough or fast enough for some.
It took decades for the moral and economic collapse to occur in America. It may take a while to get out. For those that want it immediately, the only way is a complete revolution. There are probably quite a few people who would like that. But, most don’t. They want it settled at the ballot box not in the streets. For that to work you must have some patience and vote for the best candidate that can get elected. Staying home or putting up candidates that will lose may be a moral victory but achieves nothing in reality except prideful boasting. And the downfall continues to the point there is total collapse. Ballot boxes are not for revolutions they are civilizations gradual change boxes. Notice for all the fervor we only got one half of one branch of government in 2010. It may have been great, but it was only a start. We have to wait another couple of years to get the rest.
All or nothing only works in war to the death. And in the end both sides usually loose everything as in mutually assured destruction.
The biggest problem with digging our way out of the hole is staying focussed for the long term…keeping our goal simple and constant. It’s ‘way too easy for the goal to get shifted, modified, added to, rationalized over the period of years it’s gonna take. Is there any statement of where we want to get to that would be immune to that? “A government no bigger than 1/6 of the GDP” or “national debt paid off by 2032″ or some such thing?
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
-The Mahatma Ghandi
There is only one weapon that is needed to win the 2012 election. Every TEA Party movement candidate at every level (from city council to the State House to the Congress to the Senate to the POTUS) simply has to ask the voters:
“Are you better off today than you were in 2008?”
Start printing off bumper stickers, T shirts and wall posters and display them everywhere.
The Progressives have no sensible response to that question.
We will prevail
“Are you better off today than you were in 2008?”
That last should read 2006. The Democrats took over in January 07 and that is when things started to come apart.
No. We don’t want to confuse the issue by bringing up a time when we had a Republican President and a Dem Congress. Then both sides can point fingers.
Let’s keep this focused on Obama, the whole Obama, and nothing but Obama. We’re not running against Pelosi or Reid. We’re running against Obama. Defeat him decisively, and the victorious Republican candidate’s coattails can take care of the Congressional races.
We need Sarah Palin to run, the left has been trying to rip her apart for 4 years now, and they have just bounced. We couldn’t ask for a more vetted candidate, they have combed through every part of her life, emails as governor, and she has just gotten stronger. We also need a candidate with a history of having cut government spending, and not just the rate of growth. Sarah cut state spending by 9%, and tried to sell the governors jet on ebay!
As a side note, if we nominate Sarah the lefties heads will explode, and that’s just something I want to see. Watch out! Lefty melt down right there, don’t step in him!
It never ceases to amaze me to see people support a quitter. How anyone can muster any respect for a person who would do such a thing is beyond me. If Palin ever does become POTUS, there will always be that uneasy concern in the back of my mind that she will quit as soon as things become too difficult for her. Better she carry on as she does now, being a cheerleader for the political right. That she can handle.
Well I am glad that you have never ever, ever quit anything in your life no matter how hard it was. Whew. Maybe she has had a change of heart? At least we will have a VP that is hopefully on our side!
I just received a dose of leftist rage so personal and unexpected that it shocked me. I live in Santa Monica, CA–not exactly a bastion of conservatism–and have grown accustomed to possessing the sole conservative viewpoint among my friends. Mostly they seem to put up with it, although I admit it has not drawn us closer.
Today, I called a friend whom I have known for 10 years to get some advice on pet care. He used to be my next door neighbor and we and our daughters got together frequently, although we have seen each other less lately. Somehow the discussion turns to politics and out of his mouth pops some comment about the Tea Party kooks who have hijacked Washington. I tell him that I support Tea Party values of limited gov’t and less regulation and he just goes off on me. Reminds me how he has a MBA in finance; how he reads the Economist and knows the truth about the economy; tells me his buddies on Wall St. all condemn Tea Party people as ‘morons.’ He offers to send me some articles ‘proving’ the need for tax increases.
Well, I like political discourse, so I shoot back with my points about the poisonous debt, dangers of a vast growing welfare state, how the chickens have come home to roost in England, etc, etc. After a bit more back and forth, he pauses and then responds by saying he is very surprised and disappointed with me–that he thinks I am a smart guy, but that my support for these extremist policies have contributed to the debt downgrade by S&P and that it is going to materially harm him by jacking up the interest rates he will have to pay for his future bank loans (he mainly gets by on an inheritance from his father’s death). He then says that my views make his blood boil and so he can no longer be friends with me and that he no longer wishes to speak to me.
I was shocked–I said wait a minute– that we might be able to agree on what is wrong with this country, but simply agree to disagree with the monetary and fiscal means to solve it. I asked him if he did not see that that living in Santa Monica is like a living in a bubble where only approved progressive ideas bounced around like inside a vast echo chamber and would it really be so bad to be friends with someone with a differing viewpoint? Did he only want to talk, or even hang out for fun with people who have the same political ideas as his own? Well, apparently so, because that point, his dog began barking and he said he had to go and please do not call him again.
I was absolutely dumbfounded. His rage was palpable, he said he was very angry. It makes me think that indeed, we are in for some violent and hysterical rhetoric, if not actions, as we approach the upcoming campaign. I wonder if he feels such rage because his lefty worldview seems in danger of crumbling before his eyes. There will be no reasoning with these people as we confront their mounting frustration and panic. I get the same snarling nasty rhetoric from my ex father-in-law who lives nearby (another lifelong lefty), but since he wants to see his grandkids, he hasn’t yet cut me off. It’s still early in the campaign though. I wonder if I will have any friends left here at all by the time this is over?
Why live in the bubble? Maybe the food is really good?
(he mainly gets by on an inheritance from his father’s death).
That was my first indication that this guy isnt in touch with reality, and instead more motivated by his own greed and security.
You are not alone in having experiences such as these.
lectrolink you have now experienced lefty rage, they know they’ve screwed the country and they can’t accept it so they blame tea party! We have been called every name in the book and blamed for everything bad for as long as I can remember. Guess what, we’re done, it’s over libs, it has already happened and you will live in a different world, a better one
and that world does not have Perry, Bachmann, Romney, Newt or whoever the media/left want to pick for us. We won’t settle for liars who pretend to be someone they aren’t for votes, who does that sound like? What happened to Bachmann? She jumped in and she realized we might see who she really is and she’s right we won’t like her. Tea Party/America are you going to settle again or we going to raise our standards and finally get what we deserve? Don’t blow it America.
Thank you for the article. We all need to wake up and save our country from the brink of ruin. Government should NEVER be bigger than the people it serves.
You’re welcome. Thank you for reading and commenting.
Mine Eyes Have Seen The Glory! and the inevitable! Any failure at every level will be laid at our doorstep. Libs are in denial and throwing stones in a glass house. Perhaps, this all has to come crashing down before we can unite and rebuild. I have an aunt, (more accurately) my wife’s aunt, who says that I’m dilusional to think the Tea Party activists aren’t domestic terrorists bent on sabotaging the United States and bringing about another civil war! WOW!
I didn’t even start the conversation with her. I was tak
lking with my adult son on the subject of the debt cieling and his thoughts. He claimed to admire the ideaology of Dr. Paul, but stopped short of openly stumping for him. SHE WENT BALISTIC!Called both of us “Domestic Terrorists” and stated the Napolitano was right to warn everyone of the rise of anarchists like us! This is the same woman I have sat in church with for over thirty years. We were astounded at the lashing out and the source. This is just a sprinkling of what we might expect when their bubble bursts in the coming elections. They think we are capable of civil disobediance??? Using threats of violence as a means of ataining our goals. Just the oposite is my take on it! Just an observation!
On another note, I’m pleasantly surprised at the civility and open dialogue displayed here. This is my first visit and post, but I will surely visit again. I see open and inteligent exchanging of ideas and that’s soooo refre3shing. There is Hope for a Change! I’m optomistic!
Anybody who’s even thinking about voting for Rick Perry, ought to investigate his ties to the Bilderberg group. They should also investigate his his corrupt anexation of Texan lands, and his refusal to comply with near unanimous votes in his state senate/house. Rick Perry is corrupt and it is easy to see if you look for it.
Now, I’m not worried or sure about many of the other Republican candidates, but I am fairly confident that Perry has been pre-selected and prepared for president for many years.
The only candidate I am confident is solid, not-corrupt, and does not support the Bilderberg’s motives of world government (and many other abominable objectives), is Ron Paul.
Ron Paul is not a pure Republican. He’s also a Libertarian and has been consistent in his votes for about 40 years. He is truly for freedom and against the Bilderberg group. If you doubt anything I’m saying please do some research and you’ll quickly see what I’m talking about.
Thanks you guys!
I am from the south tip of TX about 10 miles form the TX border. I remember a few years back when it was such a lawsuit happy society that your car Ins. was high simply because you lived in a certain zip code & frivolous lawsuits were a huge problem to Dr. even practicing medicine in the Valley. Many left the area & to this day it’s very hard to get Medical professionals to come to the area.
He is the longest sitting Gov. after 3 terms he is still liked. He has experience but is NOT part of the Washington machine as Ron Paul stated. If you remember he was a Democrat back in the day & changed to a Republican. Read his book Fed Up ! TEXANS are unique hard working people who don’t cotton to well to someone from the Gov. shoving laws down their throats & forcing U.S. to take their idea of HEALTH CARE & buy it & then pay for it the rest of our lives. We have 15 months to change the course of this countries direction to SAVE this countries economy if we don’t do it now it will be to late to do anything if Obama gets another term to destroy this country from the inside out !
Obamacare will single handedly bring our country down financially. We have jobs & out economy is good, WE don’t had the problems Arizona does. I believe he has a plan for Immigration reform that is a good one. His beautiful daughter-In-Law is Hispanic.
He loves his wife & isn’t afraid to ask for prayer concerning his decision to even run for Prez. It doesn’t just effect him it effects his whole family. I’d pray too ! Let me just say a man who prays it will have a profound effect on EVERY single decision he makes. So I am for him.
Unions & lawyers are going to ruin this country if they aren’t stopped. Almost 1/2 of the Senate are lawyers. Rick Perry is not one, he grew up on a farm & isn’t afraid of hard work. I’d vote for anyone who isn’t Obama ! I think Rick Perry is the next President for 2012. If he don’t win it will be because Obama has won by voter fraud !
I’ll state my usual reply to the left. I can prove with one word that all that Peter Pan fantasy land, socialist utopia, happy thoughts BS that they spout doesn’t work. That word is CALIFORNIA. it’s arguably the longest term and most left state in the country and it has nearly the highest rates of the worst of everything. any Lefties that I point that out too almost always shut their mouths. some will admit that I’m right, while others will resort to assigning me to some category ending with “ist” when they can’t prove my statement otherwise, though most just shut up!
lectro/21, What you saw in the confrontation was –one could call it –the logical progression of something that was started up in the 2004 presidential campaign, became known as Bush Derangement Syndrome while GWB was prez, and is now assuming the mantle of anti-tea partyism.
It was in full flow, and named, by the winter of 2005.
Seems like it came out of the blue as soon as the 2004 campaign entered primary season, and led by John Kerry, the craziest over-the-top rhetoric began flowing out, attacking the incumbent –who had been fairly popular thitherto.
It seems to have been born in the media, in the choice to sensationalize aspects of political news that seemed to verify the new ‘liberating’ flaming rhetoric. The destination seems to be Rule, the journey one of a people who have chosen to be ungovernable by any but the media-annointed.
Stalin’s chief of secret police Lavrenti Beria spoke of it:
To produce a maximum of chaos in the culture of the enemy is our first most important step. Our fruits are grown in chaos, distrust, economic depression and scientific turmoil. At least a weary populace can seek peace only in our offered Communist State, at last only Communism can resolve the problems of the masses.
Lincoln, campaigning in 1860, spoke of it in his remarks directed at the southern firebrands, in his Cooper Union address. An excerpt:
But you will break up the Union rather than submit to a denial of your Constitutional rights.
That has a somewhat reckless sound; but it would be palliated, if not fully justified, were we proposing, by the mere force of numbers, to deprive you of some right, plainly written down in the Constitution. But we are proposing no such thing.
When you make these declarations, you have a specific and well-understood allusion to an assumed Constitutional right of yours, to take slaves into the federal territories, and to hold them there as property. But no such right is specifically written in the Constitution. That instrument is literally silent about any such right. We, on the contrary, deny that such a right has any existence in the Constitution, even by implication.
Your purpose, then, plainly stated, is that you will destroy the Government, unless you be allowed to construe and enforce the Constitution as you please, on all points in dispute between you and us. You will rule or ruin in all events.
This, plainly stated, is your language.
Just substitute “…to take citizens into the federal state” in place of “…to take slaves into the federal territories” and it’s pretty much the state of current affairs.
As far as demonization, here’s JR Nyquist from his two most recent columns:
http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/2011/08/08/gold-and-freedom
In his book, The True Believer, Eric Hoffer wrote: “Hatred is the most accessible and comprehensive of all unifying agents. It pulls and whirls the individual away from his own self….” Hoffer argued that the fanatical hatred of a mass movement could “fuse and coalesce” people “into one flaming mass.” He warned that such movements “can rise and spread without belief in a God, but never without belief in a devil.” In other words, someone is going to be demonized. Hoffer then told the story of a Japanese delegation to Nazi Germany. They were asked what they thought of National Socialism. A Japanese observer replied, “It is magnificent. I wish we could have something like it in Japan, only we can’t, because we haven’t got any Jews.”
…and at
http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/2011/08/15/the-root-of-the-matter
In the game of prediction, “big picture” analysis usually won’t tell you want is going to happen in the short run; and most details of the moment are mere trivia when it comes to the long run.
Those who specialize in long run thinking are sometimes called “philosophers,” or lovers of wisdom. One of the more relevant philosophers of the last century was Jose Ortega y Gasset, who wrote a remarkable little book published in 1930 under the title The Revolt of the Masses. One of the core themes of the book is that, “for good or ill,” the masses have ascended to “complete social power.” Ortega called this situation “the greatest crisis that can afflict peoples, nations, and civilization.” He noted that mass man is only concerned with his own well-being while remaining ignorant of the principles that make civilized existence possible. “They do not see behind the benefits of civilization,” he wrote. “The mass man has a radical ingratitude towards all that has made possible the ease of his existence.” This might include the principles of economics, thrift and industry. The mass man is focused on the immediate future, and immediate gratification. He does not look to the long run. “The long run is a misleading guide to current affairs,” wrote John Maynard Keynes. “In the long run we’re all dead.” (Spoken with due sensitivity to the spirit of the age.)
Something is definitely lost when we adopt a negative attitude toward the long run. In a chapter titled “Primitivism and History,” Ortega argued that “Nature is always with us.” Civilization, however, is not Nature and is not always with us. Civilization is artificial and fragile. “If you want to make use of the advantages of civilization,” he warned, “but are not prepared to concern yourself with the upholding of civilization – you are done.” Civilization exists because of long run thinking. It is maintained by long run thinking. Therefore, civilization is imperiled at a time when nearly everyone is focused on the short run. A key symptom is found in a general want of historical knowledge. “The most ‘cultured’ people today are suffering from incredible ignorance of history,” wrote Ortega. “I maintain that at the present day, European leaders know much less history than their fellows of the nineteenth, even of the seventeenth century.”
A similar statement could be made with regard to economic knowledge. Just as we have been losing our sense of history, we have been losing that sense which says “a penny saved is a penny earned.” If the mass man is merely concerned with his immediate gratification, and if he has no regard for the economic long-run, is not indebtedness his destiny? And once he finds himself ruined by short-sightedness, what desperate measure will he next employ? Retrogression is likely, Ortega predicted. By this he meant “typical movements of mass men, directed, as all such are, by men who are mediocrities, improvised, devoid of long memory and a ‘historic conscience,’ they behave from the start as if they already belonged to the past….”
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Anyway, if you wanted to try reopening a dialogue with the ex-pal, maybe try asking him –since he’s so proudly credentialed in finance –to explain what Karl Denninger is trying to say. Denninger hits both parties in DC equally, so no worries on that account. If you can get him started explaining the mystery of finance –using the themes and theses daily posted at Market Ticker, then maybe two things will happen –a common ground found, and willful ignorance taking leave of your friend.
Do not listen to any other person…do your indendent research and then Vote your own feelings, beliefs, and conscience. You’ll sleep good at night and hate less!
Speaking of the Constitution. Could some one point me to the Drug Prohibition Amendment?
“I’ll work every day to make Washington, D.C. as inconsequential in your life as I can.” – Sounds absolutely great. Spot on.
If only there was a candidate capable of allowing America to bloom in the fullness of its possibility.
However, I fear that anyone gets too close to setting America free they are shot down. As happened with Sarah Palin. Still the most honest potential candidate in my view.
Regarding Perry.
Have a look at what Pamela Geller (been there, got the T shirt) has to say:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/08/geller-rick-perry-the-stealth-jihad-candidate.html#
and they will no longer be able to live with the comforting delusion that they are superior to everyone around them.
That’s very charitable to ascribe that motivation to them. Me, I think it’s all about greed.
That “comforting delusion” is very lucrative to those who know how to milk it. Look at the salaries at NPR and in educational administration. And we are not talking 60 hour weeks here.
Liberals think a solution involves the government doing something, then accuse Conservatives of not having any solutions, because our solutions don’t involve more government programs, initiatives, taxes and regulations. That’s not a lack of solution. That IS the solution.
The private sector has had a few decades to prove they can function outside the government. Now lets take a look at how that has worked out. To the best of my knowledge there are hundreds if not thousands of ‘private sector’ special interest groups who live in the halls and offices of congress and the White House. Why? What are they doing there? Maybe seeking special legislative favor? Maybe seeking special government subsidies? Maybe seeking special banking and lending practices? Maybe seeking special investment and market policies? Maybe seeking special state and community disaster subsidies? Maybe seeking special energy policies? Maybe seeking special utility policy? maybe seeking special……..
Oh, and all those evil regulatory policies! Show me one…one, that did not come about at the hands of some private sector special interest group.
Lastly! Who do the states and the people run to, too fix every single ‘problem’ that arises in their communities and their personal lives?
Hypocritical condemnation? I’ll leave that to the people to answer.
This article is a wake-up call. We all witnessed a set of serious circumstances tested and implemented in Wisconsins August Recall Election. Fine tuning of this “visible” part of several progressive organizations uniting and acting in concert was most evident. This was a test run. The 2012 Election will be a true test of Our Blessed USofA’s ability to hold fraud free, honest elections.
There are efforts underway in Holders DOJ to emasculate the Electoral process. Law suits, challenges and other well worn tactics are being planned and honed for deployment. Legislative shennanigans are also planned to alter time worn State-by-State Electoral process and have a “winner takes all Electoral Votes” (National Popular Vote Movement)…usurping our Constitution. Lastly, on the ground. Every fringe organization with ties to progressive, social service political organization (operating extra electorally) seeking to change electoral results are actively engaged in registering both legal, illegal and deceased individuals.
This article is a message. The messenger is merely alerting to facts, readily available and visible to any individual who cares and loves this wonderful experiment our Founding Fathers bestowed on us.
What we do with this information is ours to decide. Acting intelligently, within the confines of our Tort system seems to be the best way to thwart this avalanche of dishonesty, prevarication, “spin” and media bias.
This 2012 Election is ours to decide once and for the demise of “progressivism” in our: 1) Religion, 2) Education, 3) Government and 4) Financial system.VOTE because massive fraud is on its way. Have all State Legislatures enact Voter ID requirements. God Bless Our USA.
The lashing out against the Tea Party Movement that you hear is the outrage from our ruling class, fearing an end to its power, privileges and perks. These are the people, inour day, whose forebears were described by Madison, in the opening line of Federalist No. 57 as seeking the ambitious sacrifice of the many, to the aggrandizement of the few.” That our founders established a republic to be governed pursuant to a written constitution did not inoculate the nation from the virus of the aristrocratic mindset. Today that mindset flourishes as a neo-aristocracy. As that mindset is to be found among those who would call themselves progressives, it would appear, then, that the current use of the term “progressive” is an orwellianisn — as the term actually refers to regressive political views. I never thought that we had a “ruling class” problem in the USA till now.We have, I believe, today, government of the insiders,by the for the insiders, and for the insiders. This. to me, is what those $35,800 a person fundraisers for President Obama is all about. Seems to me you can’t get much more “ruling class” than that.
Traditionally, the ruling class doesn’t mind throwing crumb, here or there, to the lower class. The ruling class does not like it when their role at the tup of the societal pyramid is threatened. That they don’t like one bit.
One caucus alone in the House has written 40 bills for jobs and every single bill has been blocked by the TeaParty-GOP from coming to the floor. Politics or governing?
Over in the Senate bills are written by the TeaParty-GOP with full knowledge of a presidential veto awaiting them should, lets say, they were passed on the floor. Politics or governing?
Not a single bill or proposal has been written by either side that does not raise the national debt going forward yet, the political rhetoric of every day is both sides saying they’ve got the absolute plan. Politics or governing?
Not a single bill has been advanced or been proposed that definitively states what is proposed to be cut and by how much. Politics or governing? As evidenced on this site over and over, its all about leveraging ‘personalized’ politics for an upcoming election over the welfare of the nation, its economy and jobs. (Government stops because one side signed a contract with a non elected special interest group demanding NO tax increases of any kind even if only tax revenue increses by closing loop holes.)
Over the last few months, The TeaParty-GOP manipulated and consumed the national debate over government spending and the national debt, somehow claiming that was the nations problem for the economy and jobs. Today, that debate has been put aside in large part and the new debate consuming the nation is now TeaParty-GOP candidates for president. Next month it will be the resuming of party ‘politics’ in congress and of course TeaParty-GOP presidential candidates leveraging everything to the upcoming election.
Everybody is consumed with the redundant simplistic and superficial ‘political’ rhetoric of ‘problem identification’ with absolutely no comprehensive plans for resolve of the nations problems. (The politicians have a more detailed and comprehensive plan for campaign fund raising then they do the economy and jobs.)
IF lower taxes for corporate and the most wealthy stakeholders along with less government regulations was real fairy dust, both parties would be tromping over each other to get it implemented NOW and take credit to benefit their upcoming elections. IF cutting spending and capping the debt was also real fairy dust, both sides would again be tromping over each other to get it implemented NOW, rather than in outlying years for which no other congress and circumstance is bound by.
Political zealots of so many venues across the nation perpetuate national ‘political’ division while the nations economy and jobs lay serverely wounded and ignored on the battlefield. The poltical party ‘game’ is more important!
Between now and the election in 2012 we’ll see what comes out of congress facing automatic triggers in the short term. I’m guessing they will skirt the triggers with more rhetoric and maybe even a bill, for outlying actions.
Politics or governing?
I believe the reaction of the left to the minor wins forced on congress through the influence of TEA party activists Is pure unadulterated fear. Their bluster, name calling and dire warnings of disaster are evoked by fear of ghosts from the past reincarnated in the Tea party movement. The fear is real, it is part of the liberal cell structure; it has been embedded in their brains for decades.
It is the fear that the American people will realize that our Founding Fathers really had it right. The modern liberal rhetoric is completely destroyed when stacked against the ideals of those graveyard ghosts in the form of our Founding Father’s spirits. The Liberal fear is that we have finally awakened and have had enough. They are beginning to realize their Waterloo will be the 2012 elections and they are whistling past the graveyard.
That’s a big 10-4, R. Cook!
The Makers are awake,
the Takers lie and wait,
afraid the Tea will make
the crooked nation straight.
Perma Save!
Amen.
#28 lectrolink, David Swindle,#29 jeaneeinabottle, #31 JamesfromTexas, #42 R. Cook
Elsewhere at PJM I have put forth the concept of TWANLOC, Those Who Are No Longer Our Countrymen. In a very short form it is those with which we no longer share sufficient common cultural, historical, linguistic, or political ties; to the point where we can no longer converse or tolerate the presence of each other. When you tried speaking with them, I am sure that you had the feeling that you were not using the same language as they, the words were the same but the meanings and context were totally different. And the difference was marked with a passion that was, quite literally, foreign. And have no doubt, that they had that same feeling about you.
Historically, having two hostile and separate peoples with widely different world views inside one set of borders has not worked out well. Coexistence does not work for any length of time, and either one or the other will prevail, both will fail, or they will separate.
This is not going to end tidily.
Subotai Bahadur
That’s a great line, and a great sentiment.
I’m not aware of anything in Perry’s track record that makes me believe him.
I agree that Perry’s line about making DC inconsequential was by far the best line in his speech.
Thanks for mentioning Anthony Weiner. The best part is knowing that as his eyes flutter awake each morning, he heaves a sigh and stares blankly at the ceiling knowing that he terminated his entire political career by emailing pictures of his weenie to strange girls on the internet.
What does he say to family members when they get together?
Delicious.
I have been following politics since I watched the Kennedy-Nixon debates with my parents, when I was 10 years old. The 2012 campaign will be the most vile in my lifetime. I hope Perry is prepared. I know Romney is not.
Very, very, well put.
Perry is all talk. Texas has prospered in spite of him. It will all come out.
For a counterpoint, here’s a letter from the comments at
http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=1590&cpage=3#comments
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Jim
August 16th, 2011 – 21:39
As a small business owner in Texas who has been making payroll every 2 weeks since 1986, I have my own perspective. It’s easy to overlook a few salient points.
During the lame duck period when Bush announced his run from president and Perry was going to be governor, the Democratic controlled legislature deliberately passed bills that overspent the state budget. Democratic insiders announced this as a deliberate move to force Perry to raise taxes so they could go to the people and claim that Governor Perry raised your taxes.
When Perry took office, he worked with most every agency in the state and got them to reduce their budgets. He also vetoed numerous appropriations passed by the Democrat controlled legislature. The next two years he did it again.
I firmly believe this frugality is one reason Texas was able to weather the tough times that caused problems for other states.
As the Texas legislature passes budgets for 2 years at a time, naysayers were pronouncing a huge budget shortfall for Texas due to reduced tax revenue from the down economy. Numbers as high as 26 billion were thrown around by the negative people. Perry was able to work with departments within Texas to resolve the budget shortfall.
One thing I can say about Rick Perry is he has the ability to say NO. When the intellectuals elitists and media editorialsist are claiming he doesn’t care about your children or your grandparents, he still has the cojones to say NO.
Perry understands the affect the huge rise in regulatory agencies with their own police forces is having on the private sector. My feeling is he has represented the citizens of Texas in their long term best interest.
Even the Trans Texas Corridor which opponents shot down was a long range forward thinking attempt to improve the economy of Texas and surrounding states. The huge amount of goods that bypass California ports by shipping into Mexico and then transporting by rail to inland ports in Kansas City and St. Louis could be coming through Texas ports. And, a good highway to the coast would benefit fly-over country states when they secede from the left and right coast as the United States becomes less united.
There is no comparison between the Ivy League educated Bush and the A&M yell leader Perry. Perry is connected to the little guy.
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This is it, crunch time. If we are left with Romney, Bachmann and Perry, then Romney will win a lot of the early primaries. If Bachmann is the patriot that I think she is, she will drop out early as she sees Romney winning as I have noted, then Perry can come on strong and win.
If Palin jumps in, then we’re screwed, she and Perry will split us tea party types and Romney wins. I think Palin, like Bachmann is a patriot and sees how this will play out. Palin is young and will maintain her physical appeal for another eight years. She’ll never become a dried up prune-hag like Hillary anyway. Palin needs a nice high profile position in the Perry administration.