Tomorrow the House Homeland Security Committee will be holding a hearing on “The Threat of Muslim-American Radicalization in U.S. Prisons,” chaired by Rep. Peter King. One of those testifying is LAPD Deputy Chief Michael Downing, the commander of the LAPD’s Counterterrorism and Special Operations Bureau.
This is an odd choice for the committee in light of a video we are making exclusive here at the PJ Tatler of Chief Downing speaking at a town hall event co-sponsored by his department at the Islamic Center of Southern California on May 15th. Here’s the video of Chief Downing’s comments:
Downing’s claims that “we should not demonize the Muslim Brotherhood” are particularly curious since the leader of the international Muslim Brotherhood declared war on the United States during a press conference last October (a transcript of his comments is available at MEMRI). It seems the Muslim Brotherhood does a good job of demonizing itself.
It is another case entirely when a government official such as Chief Downing attempts to deflect criticism of the Brotherhood and openly endorses MB front organizations in the U.S. as partners with law enforcement. From his remarks at the event it seems that Chief Downing can’t decide whether the Muslim Brotherhood are extremists on the fringe, or if they have “changed” over time and should be engaged. He can’t have it both ways.
As the late Billy Mays would say, “But wait, there’s more!”
This event was held at the Islamic Center of Southern California, which was founded by Hassan and Maher Hathout (according to the New York Times), longtime Muslim Brotherhood operatives from Egypt. In an interview he gave to the Voice of Islam before his death, Hassan Hathout spoke of “The Man Who Changed My Life,” the man being Muslim Brotherhood founder Hassan Al-Banna. In the interview, Hathout lauds Al-Banna as his teacher:
My teacher was a student at the time. His name was Hassan al Banna….I believe he is a unique type of person. Centuries might roll over before a similar personality is produced. I think that the person who most influenced my life was that teacher.
But he goes one step further than that. Hathout expresses his hopes that Al-Banna’s vision for a revived Islamic state and the reimposition of shariah law will take place in the West, whereas it hadn’t done so in the Middle East (at the time):
Long after Hassan al Banna, when Egypt had been through the Revolution and the new Regime, but Islam was always considered an enemy. We were persecuted, we were in jail, including my brother and myself. We had to flee home, at last coming to the United States of America. Who knows, maybe the infertile soil that would not accept the seed of Islam in the East, might be replaced by a more fertile soil that would accept Islam in the West…This is the beginning of the Islamic Movement in the United States and in the West, and you are a part of this.
Many of the organizations that Chief Downing work with openly promote the very violent and supremacist ideology that Downing says the Brotherhood in America has transcended. For instance, the Muslim American Society (MAS) incorporates the works of Hassan Al-Banna and Sayyid Qutb (the godfather of contemporary jihadist ideology) in its standard membership training. The Chicago Tribune noted in a 2004 expose the Muslim Brotherhood roots of MAS, and federal prosecutors have stated in court documents that “MAS was founded as the overt arm of the Muslim Brotherhood in America.”
Chief Downing identifies Sayyid Qutb’s book, Milestones, as the foundation of al-Qaeda’s ideology. And yet, Milestones is part of MAS’s introductory curriculum (as is Hassan Al-Banna’s tract “Jihad”), as it also is for the Islamic Circle of North America, which requires new members to spend 9 months studying Qutb’s Milestones. The North American Islamic Trust, which owns the property to one-quarter of all mosques in the United States, publishes an English translation of Milestones through its American Trust Publications arm. I guess they haven’t changed their ideology and doctrine as much as Chief Downing believes.
He also says with respect to the Muslim Brotherhood and the Muslim Student Association (MSA), which he admits is an offshoot of the MB, that “you can’t say they are the same thing.” But in a December 2003 front page article in the Wall Street Journal, Paul Barrett recounts the story of Mustafa Saied, who claimed that he was recruited into the Muslim Brotherhood through the MSA at the University of Tennessee and was taken to MSA conferences that feature known extremist MB leaders from around the world.
Back in February I reported here exclusively at the PJ Tatler on the 2011 MSA West conference, where their keynote speaker, Amir Abdel Malik (a notorious hatemonger who spouts a wide variety of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories), led the crowd in reciting the “MSA Pledge of Allegiance,” which was a restatement of the Muslim Brotherhood credo. Apparently they didn’t get Chief Downing’s memo. I also reported here at PJM last year on the long line of MSA leaders who have been charged and convicted in terror plots.
It should also be noted that the moderator for the event, which featured representatives from the LAPD, L.A. County Sheriff’s Dept, FBI, DOJ, and Dept. of Homeland Security, was Saadia Khan of the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), which has openly defended Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations. For instance, in a policy paper on U.S. counterterrorism policy, MPAC claimed that the suicide bombing targeting U.S. Marines in Beirut in 1983 was not an act of terrorism:
Hezbollah organized the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut in October 1983 killing 241 marines, the largest number of American troops killed in a single operation since the end of the Vietnam war. Yet this attack, for all the pain it caused, was not in a strict sense, a terrorist operation. It was a military operation, producing no civilian casualties – exactly the kind of attack that Americans might have lauded had it been directed against Washington’s enemies. (p. 13)
Democratic Congressman Brad Sherman has even called on MPAC in a press release to distance itself from the Hathout brothers and their ideology. As the Investigative Project on Terrorism has reported, MPAC and ICSC have collaborated on publications that downplay the threat from Islamic extremism, propagate inflammatory rhetoric about Jews, and promote conspiracies about 9/11 and the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. MPAC’s executive director, Salam al-Marayati, was even kicked off a congressional commission on terrorism after complaints about his extremist statements. And on the day of the 9/11 attacks, as reported by the L.A. Times, al-Marayati was on a L.A. radio station blaming the terrorist attacks on Israel.
So given these facts, you have to wonder where Chief Downing is coming from. If he can’t spot the radicals he’s already associated with, why is he being called to testify about prison radicalization by the House Homeland Security Committee? And what exactly is a town hall event sponsored by eight different government agencies doing closing with an Islamic call to prayer? Can anybody get the ACLU on the line?






Here we go again – a key official talking bull shit like it was gospel . A police official no less – one of the good guys who should know better.
The Brotherhood isn’t looking for souls in the US prison system – they are recruiting troops for their army.
The peace loving Islamist even have a poem that out lines their good intentions through the use of a Mosque.
The minarets are our bayonets – the domes our helmets –
the Mosques our barracks – and the faithful our army.
From a poem by Turkish poet Ziya Gokalp
The current PM of Turkey was put in jail over 10 years ago for reading that poem in public.
Now, he’s the cat’s meow.
all this is going to save us is for America to wake up and vote Obama out of only knows what else.
Downing should go live in Iraq etc for a while then try telling us his crap! Nest..?? , he’ll be saying the Mexican gangs/M13 are biblical scholars… The @$$hole is scared.
You’re right anne,
This LAPD Chief is either scared… or he a muscle headed left wing loon. My guess is he’s scared…. and he has good reason to be. He’s an enforcement officer in a city that is not going to back him up when it comes to challenging the Islamist activists in their midst. Their Mayor is so pissed off at America for not welcoming in the millions of Hispanic illegal aliens (many who live in LA) he probably HOPES the Islamists wreak havoc on the American public.
Calling the Chief in LA a Good Guy is a really a bad definition of the term Good Guy. Compared to Osama, Hitler and the Uni-bomber he MIGHT be a good guy. In reality he is just one more political hack, whoring for votes and selling his Cops to kiss up to bigger political hacks.
You got THAT right buddy….
Except for the few “good ones” working the streets, all cops are the enemy, especially high rankers…they are all part of the public sector money-power-politics cesspool thats leaving us naked (and unarmed if they can) before our enemies while they travel in state vehicles and appear on TV.
The LA City council is good at hiring political hacks, they feel so comfortable around them, they fit right in.
Rhodesway, exactly.
Moreover, it appears as if this officer is as dumb as a post and needs URGENT tutoring if he intends to secure LA interests.
He must go back to school, ordered to sit in a chair until he finishes at LEAST two books.Let’s call it – Continuing Ed for politically correct, law enforcement dummies.
His reading list MUST include, but is NOT meant to be the end of his schooling-
The Muslim Mafia, by Gaubatz and Sperry and Infiltration, by Sperry are atop the mandated reading.
The rest of the laundry list can be saved for when he is stirred from his coma.
Islam is guided, fundamentally, by the Koran, and then by the ‘Hadiths’. Anyone over 12 years of age, who reads the Koran beyond the 2nd Surah (chapter)without throwing the book into pig manure is sick.
[Disclosure: I am a British Canadian of Anglican background.]
The 1st Surah is very short. The 2nd does not begin the Universe and Eden or Mankind, it immediately plunges into vilification of the Jews and allocating women to the blatantly obvious status of walking uteri & wet nurses. All this is at the behest of ‘lofty’ imams & clerics to gain political power over dupes in the name of phony Sky-Daddy Allah. If there is anything of value in the subsequent chapters, it is better to find it in other works than the Koran.
Muslimism, whether the terrorist version or the supposed ‘moderate’ version is the barbaric enemy of all modern Rights respecting civilization, as was Christianity in the Dark Ages of Europe. It should be laughed off as were The Rapturists. Muslims using violence should be seen as the enemy: as targets*.
*Violent Muslims who are American are the only ones with a right to a trial, and that should be swift with resounding finality.
I threw my copy of the Koran into an abandoned septic tank. A pig pen would have chanced the pigs sickening on the filth of moslem doctrine.
I thought maybe that volume might feel more comfortable with its own kind. But now I wonder: Is Sharia biodegradeable?
Anyone like the Chief who states the Muslim Brotherhood is not the enemy of these United States from this point forward can be called Bagdad Bob.
“The enemy is not here.”
I really wonder how and why this type of individual exist in a position of enforcement that goes against any common sense of the type of extremist run this “brotherhood”. Till the day I die, I truly believe that we have evil within and they seek the destruction of the American way of life. Chief Downing is a nut case and speaks of an organization that wants to destroy America.
He should be fired immediately.
Comments – they don’t go through unless I do this.
Political Correctness began as a way to disarm intellectual arguments against liberalism through group think and social pressures. This cop has been brainwashed into ignoring a dangerous criminal organization with a world-wide reach and billion dollar funding. How? someone got to him.
I blame the HR departments and their reactionary nature.
Greetings:
Hey, I thought “Jack Dunphy” has first dibs on the LAPD’s lunacies. Why the horning in ???
On the other had, as my dear departed mother said once or twice or maybe more, “It’s better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.” Deputy Chief loves him some Islamaniacs.
The article states… “Never mind that there is scant evidence that American judges are resolving cases on the basis of Sharia.”
If this is true why is there resistance to codifying that in law?
We have many laws on the books that prohibit acts that there is little chance people committing, but the laws remain nonetheless.
In light of the fact that several activist judges in the U.S. have attempted to look outside the Constitution, primarily to European Law, combined with the fact that in places like Detroit we have had individuals try to use the defense of religous freedom to justify their acts of violence, such as honor killings, it is long past time that the laws be clearified to show that we have one law of the land in the U.S. and that is the U.S. Constitution, and not European law or Sharia.
Fire the traitor now !!
The Chief thinks they’ve changed. Great! Glad to hear it! They can help us all greatly, then, by repudiating the Hamas Covenant,
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
and in particular, specifically repudiating the agreement to engage in an advertising campaign to convince Muslims that they have an individual duty to kill every Jew on the face of the earth and re-conquer every square inch of land ever held by a “Muslim” regime.
deputy chiefs and above in large cities are politicians first, cops second or maybe third. They spend all their media exposure time catering to and kissing ass of the people in this country who would destroy it at the blink of an eye. Politics trumps all, does’nt chief Downing?
It’s amazing how fast you can tell how dumb someone is by now.
In Sept of 2001, it would have taken me much longer than a microsecond.
Some people—apparently people like Downing—believe what people tell them about themselves and maybe who knows what else. It’s safe to say he’s in wrong line of work.
I hope he is exposed as openly gay and then tries to attend services at a Mosque with his friend.
We’ll see how peaceful and tolerant Islam may be…
Hmmm maybe the chief owes political favors? Maybe the muslims promised to clean out illegals and criminals in exchange for public support.Or he’s being blackmailed or trying to avoid jizya……
And the alphabet soup are umm monitoring possible threats?
Or they are preparing for new jobs in Washington D. C.?
No one is demonizing muslims,they are simply repeating facts.
Maybe it’s LA — Today the LA Times ran an op-ed by a HAMAS official. That is, they gave prominent space, unaddressed, to a terrorist organization whose charter — constitution — calls for genocide. I’m looking forward to reading an op ed by a Nazi official…Maybe the chief and he should do lunch…
That’s lala land for you.
P.S.
The LA Times is the same cheap rag of a newspaper that just now made a big production for its readers out of releasing and going through Governor Sarah Palin’s 24,000 emails while she was in office in Alaska — because the public has a right to know — but still refuses to release a videotape in its possession of Obama speaking at a party in honor of his good pal, the anti-American PLO operative Rashid Khalidi, a few years back — because the public has no right to know about anything like that.
Just read Melissa Harris-Perry, Cornel West, Tavis Smiley, Ta Nehisi Coates, James Cones, Rev. Wright, Tim Wise, Harry Belafonte and a zillion others that make up that odious Nazi cabal of hate speech. They’re published almost everyday, on TV and teaching in our colleges.
Go easy on the mmm bros and lighten up on AQ. Peace is on the horizon.
The only reason LAPD’s Downing has taken this ignorant position is because al Obama gave him a call informing him to think ‘this way’.
LeRoy Baca, Sheriff LA County testimony at House Committee on Homeland Security March 10, 2011—
“I would caution that to comment only on the extent of radicalization in the American Muslim Community may be viewed as singling out a particular section of our nation.
This makes a false assumption that any particular religion or group is more prone to radicalization than others
…According to MPAC, evidence clearly indicates a general rise in violent extremism across ideologies. Clearly, we should be examining radicalization as an issue thataffects all groups regardless of religion.
…Since we are gathered to share information about the American Muslim Community…I can deliver very good news. The Muslim Community in
Los Angeles is an active participant in the securing of our Homeland…the vast majority of Muslim community members within my jurisdiction is fiercely proud of their American identity…”
The sheriff and the chief are on the same page as awlaki.
Shoukld be a pretty hysterical hearing tomorrow.
Prediction: over the next year we’ll begin to see the SWAT teams breaking into the homes of those who express disagreement with the system, whether it’s questioning this abuser police chief of the notorious LAPD (shoot first, no need to ask questions later), or talking back online or running a radio show…
The time for talking is long over and the other side will use all legal as well as shady means to squelch dissonance and dissent.
It will come very very soon… if not here already…
This fool has his head in the sand. Actually, it’s somewhere else closer to his brain. Activists in law enforcenent or on the court are a danger that must be addressed. California prop 8 is a prime example of an out of control govt. It’s time we sent these idiots packing. We can take back our country but it will take every effort we can muster. God bless and help America.
I don’t need to read the koran or any of their sick writings to know who the enemy is. Any religion that condones the murder of sleeping parents and their helpless children such as what happened to the Fogel family in Israel cannot possibly a religion of peace and is certainly not going to be a friend or ally of the United States. Those people, Muslims, want to kill us, not just Jews or Israeli’s but us, the citizens of the United States, for one very simply reason. They hate us. I wonder what Downing will be thinking when Muslims drag him off to have his head removed because he is a Christian.
PJ- Apparently you are unaware of the workings of big city police departments. Anyone over the rank of Lt is no longer a police officer in any real sense. They are political bureaucrats who must espouse the values of their liberal politically correct politician bosses. These opinions and attitudes are most often diametrically opposed to those of actual police officers.
Just like the saying about “paranoia” “Are you paranoid if they are really out to get you?”, is it really “demonizing” if what they are saying is true?
Muslim Brotherhood’s doing a good enough job itself.
Karl (and others) have it right. The ‘political’ fast track is the favored position for so many ‘fast risers’ in big city PDs. This kind of “not a cop” cop is distressing to civilians “and” the rank and file. They won’t stand behind their troops and actually only have one motivation, their rise within the ranks to bigger and better. Unlike Sheriff Joe Arpaio they will do the ‘song and dance’ of the day and break their necks following the “PC” of the moment. Civilians really have to take a hard look at where they stand according to such “authorities” and how they will defend themselves if needed!
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Politics/20101108/harper-israel-101108/
Police and BO will fail check out the above video copy and paste in your browser to see what should really be done not just talked about.
LAPD Deputy Chief Downing is a “Useful Idiot”! Notice how he arrogantly thinks he knows more about the topic than the questioner. This guy Downing is a real piece of work! The LAPD’s Counter Terrorism Special Operations Bureau (CTSOB), is waaaaaaaaaaay under staffed! And Downing is being allowed and in some cases directed, by Assistant Chief Mike Moore, to gut our counter terrorism efforts even more. Downing is at a Congressional hearing today in DC, waxing intellectual about how great a job he and the LAPD are doing. He better get used to answering the tough questions, because when our enemies strike Los Angeles, that guy is going to be answering the tough questions about he many failures, for quite some time. Perhaps he can talk about how he wasted our operational grant funds on his little pet project “Hydra”, and jet-setting around the world on the miss-spent grant money, with Captain Frank, and the rest of the “command staff” yes men. We are a very soft target and have been targeted, and Downing is in dereliction of his duties, as are LAPD Captain Horace Frank, Steve Sambar, Commander Blake Chow, Assistant Chief Moore, Chief Beck and Mayor Villaragosa. They have neutered our counter terrorism efforts and made the city of Los Angeles vulnerable for attack. Right now we can only react to a terrorist attack, and clean up the bloody mess. We have zero proactive units out there conducting counter surveillance on our assets, looking for the terrorists, or lone wolves conducting pre-operational surveillance. The LAPD is NOT prepared to thwart a terrorist attack before it happens, only to clean up the mess. I feel horrible for the poeple of this city . They’re being sold a bill of goods by the LAPD’s Law Enforcement “Leaders”.
Oh, and we have great patrol officers, but we are NOT in a position to covertly uncover these people collecting intelligence on our city. Sorry, Chief, but only having uniformed patrol officers out there and citizens looking for the terrorists, are not going to cut the mustard. Pony up and do your JOB!
As far as I can see and is constantly being proven, LA has and is becoming more and more a cesspool of illegal immigrants, from Mexico, South America, Asia ( all countries, and now more than ever the Trogan Horse from the MIddle Eastern anarchists.
The Muslims, if they are really a very peaceful religion and group, are only acting as a vengful, ignorant and violent community. This is obvious by their “Silence” towards what looks like the fundamental goal of the destruction Of Irael,the United States and the Western Civilizations.
These world events will eventually end in a world castasrophe and come to a violent end unless all religeous and democratic peoples do not unite (from whatever religeous belief) and gather to reverse the evil now approaching a peak of no return.
Downing must have gone to the same school of public administration as the fat mouthed Lee Baca (L. A. County Sherriff). I remember when Baca told a woman on talk radio who had a large family and had to drive an SUV, when she was complaining about high gas prices: “well you shouldn’t drive an SUV if you can’t afford it.” He is also in favor of taking private citizen’s guns away. But I was told by a reserve deputy that the rank and file love him because they get a lot of overtime. Great just give your followers overtime and you can get away with being anti-American!
Ca. is in horrid trouble with liberal leadership,horrid legislation and illegals and dopes like this guy thinking any Muslim outfit which disses America is not a threat. All Islamofascists are a threat and this dope should know it. Is it any wonder that we who live here are always wondering if the barbarians are going to win and when we see law and order going south as on the borders, and with flacks in Sac. who are mostly Dems passing budgets with new taxes, no wonder no one now is thinking of moving into this fair state. And with more comments like this dunce, businesses will be flocking outward not inward.
I want to report gross misconduct on the part of DC Downing! You think Beck will take that 1.28 (complaint)? Doubt it. This guys thinks he’s a terrorism expert? C’mon……He’s a arrogant and ignorant megalomaniac! The worst kind of imbecile.
This looks a lot like what the Jews did in the 1930`s and we know how that turned out. People say it can not happen here in America. I ask you why can it not happen here? Their quran tells you and inmans from the middle east are already telling you they want to kill you, take your women for sex slaves and have your children be their servants. I am old enough not to have to worry about myself, it is my grand kids I worry about. I will protect what is mine and defend the US Constitution, will you?
Yoo-hoo, everybody. Los Angeles is not the only place that has been infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood!
How about both the Clinton Administration and the State Department under the Obama Administration, just for starters? Anthony Weiner’s mother-in-law, Saleha Abedin, is connected with Muslim Brotherhood!
This just highlights the differences between the metro area police department philosophies and everyone else; they are a reflection of the political composition of the areas they police for the most part.
It is just worse in LA, as California has become the beacon of the insane.
He will not enforce the laws on immigration, so why wouldn`t he buddy up withe muslim brothrhood. Pick and choose your own laws everybody in the government does, just look at our DOJ, HLS and obama.
Its no wonder the U.S. can’t win the war against radical Islam with Politically Correct Dead Heads like this so called police chief who is an Appeaser to our enemies. What he and many other Liberals don’t understand is that we as a nation do not have to be tolerant of those foreigners that come here under the guise of diversity and tolerance. Not until they have been thoroughly investigated and proven not to be a threat to this country. America, STOP allowing these enemy combatants to ride in on their Trojan Horse with the ultimate intent of destroying this country. And do not allow the appeasers who are mostly on the Left to have their way either or it will become too late for us all.