The Left and the Liberals’ Hypocrisy over the Death of Osama Bin Laden
The aftermath of Osama Bin Laden’s assassination finds many in the left and liberal community seeking to hold on to their worldview by praising the attack and its conclusion and by attributing it entirely to President Barack Obama. Doing so, however, presents this group with some major problems. First, it is now quite clear that the intelligence information that led to the successful raid was compiled over many years, and key intelligence was in fact gathered during the years of the Bush administration. Most important of all was the identification of Bin Laden’s “courier,” a man who on a regular basis kept the al-Qaeda chief in touch with the world outside of his million-dollar compound.
As the front-page New York Times report by Mark Mazzetti and Helene Cooper points out, intelligence agencies had been trying for close to a decade to identify the man. They learned of him, however, when “detainees at the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, had given the courier’s pseudonym to American interrogators and said that the man was a protégé of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the confessed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.” They learned his real name four years ago — when the government was led by the very men liberals despised the most, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
President Obama, of course, deserves the credit for planning the mission to take down Osama Bin Laden, and for giving the go ahead to the secret Navy SEAL team. As the report explains, “he had to approve the final plan to send operatives into the compound where the administration believed that Bin Laden was hiding.” I do not intend to take that accomplishment away from the president. But my point is simple: were it not for the prior work of the Bush/Cheney administration, President Obama would not be in the position to have put the operation into effect.
Moreover, it is also clear that much of the information that led to the courier’s identity came from the so-called “enhanced interrogation techniques,” the very mechanism that regularly led to charges of torture, abuse of power, illegal U.S. spying techniques, waterboarding, rendition, and questioning in secret facilities abroad where those interrogating the detainees did not have to abide by methods forbidden to be used within the United States.
In another Times story by Mazzetti, Cooper, and Peter Baker, the journalists put it this way:
The raid was the culmination of years of painstaking intelligence work, including the interrogation of C.I.A. detainees in secret prisons in Eastern Europe, where sometimes what was not said was as useful as what was. Intelligence agencies eavesdropped on telephone calls and e-mails of the courier’s Arab family in a Persian Gulf state and pored over satellite images of the compound in Abbottabad to determine a “pattern of life” that might decide whether the operation would be worth the risk.
Indeed, as the intelligence reporter Michael Isikoff, now with NBC News, reported yesterday:
The trail that led to the doorstep of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan began years earlier with aggressive interrogations of al-Qaida detainees at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay and CIA ‘black site’ prisons overseas, according to U.S. officials.
It was those sometimes controversial interrogations that first produced descriptions of members of bin Laden’s courier network, including one critical Middle Eastern courier who along with his brother was protecting bin Laden at his heavily fortified compound in Abbottabad on Sunday.
According to Isikoff, early information about the courier for Bin Laden came from none other than “Mohammed al-Qahtani, who was subjected to some of the most humiliating interrogations at Guantanamo. Among the enhanced interrogation techniques used on him were being forced to wear a woman’s bra, being led around on a leash and forced to perform dog tricks and being subjected to cold temperatures that twice required his hospitalization, according to a later U.S. military report.”
Others have disputed this, but Isikoff, who wrote for Newsweek and covered the intelligence community for years, is known to have reliable sources and to be a reporter who does not write what he has not been able to confirm. He does say that no information came from waterboarding itself, but clearly, if at a later date Khaled Sheikh Mohammed or Qahtani came forth with solid information, one could clearly argue that the fear of being waterboarded again encouraged them to start talking and to give solid information. As Isikoff puts it, “After Qahtani was subjected to some of the humiliating interrogations at Guantanamo that later became public, he started to cooperate and, for a while, provided a wealth of information about al-Qaida, including references to the courier in question, the U.S. official said.”
Finally, Isikoff also writes that:
[A] senior U.S. intelligence official told NBC News investigative producer Robert Windrem that both Mohammed, who was repeatedly waterboarded by the CIA, and al Libi, who was aggressively interrogated but not waterboarded, provided the nom de guerre of the courier. Mohammed was among the “high-value detainees” subjected to specially approved “enhanced” interrogations at secret sites overseas, including CIA-run prisons in Poland, Romania, Thailand and elsewhere, according to U.S. officials.
As Mark Hemingway points out in The Washington Examiner, with a great facetious headline, “’Cheney’s assassination squad’ just killed bin Laden.” The top secret Seal Team Six, also known as the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, was singled out for attack in an article that appeared on the website The Raw Story, which quoted noted leftist journalist and New Yorker columnist Seymour Hersh, who during the Bush administration attacked the team as Cheney’s personal assassination squad. Calling it an “executive assassination ring,” Hersh said the following, as milblogger Bill Roggio summarized in a 2009 Weekly Standard article:
“After 9/11, I haven’t written about this yet, but the Central Intelligence Agency was very deeply involved in domestic activities against people they thought to be enemies of the state. Without any legal authority for it. They haven’t been called on it yet.”
Hersh then went on to describe a second area of extra-legal operations: the Joint Special Operations Command. “It is a special wing of our special operations community that is set up independently,” he explained. “They do not report to anybody, except in the Bush-Cheney days, they reported directly to the Cheney office. … Congress has no oversight of it.”
“It’s an executive assassination ring essentially, and it’s been going on and on and on,” Hersh stated. “Under President Bush’s authority, they’ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That’s been going on, in the name of all of us.”
Precisely, and as we have learned today, Osama Bin Laden supposedly put up resistance, which led to his being killed, although U.S. officials including John Brennan acknowledged that Bin Laden was not armed, leaving it questionable what kind of “resistance” it was that forced the team to kill him.
In my estimate, one made by others as well, the team was instructed not to take him alive, in order to avert the possibility of scores of Islamists demanding his freedom, and putting Osama Bin Laden in the position of being a martyr for Islam, which he would obviously try to make himself. That today both Hamas, Hezbollah, and the armed wing of Fatah have all praised him as a militant leader and martyr makes it rather certain that this would have resulted had Bin Laden be taken alive. But in essence, that the SEAL team killed him means that they were indeed engaging in targeted assassination, precisely the kind that Israel is regularly criticized for by “human rights” groups when it eliminates anti-Israel terrorists in foreign countries by Mossad hit teams.
Hemingway asks, “Now that a Democratic President has employed JSOC to take out Osama bin Laden, will the fever swamps of the Left continue to assert that it’s just a Bush/Cheney plot to run around unjustifiably killing people?” The answer is yes, and they have already started.
Driving home today, I heard a report on radio news that a representative of Human Rights Watch condemned the killing of Bin Laden and said that what was now required was an official “homicide investigation!” (I have not been able to find this on the organization’s website, and was not able to take down the name of the individual who said this). But one can look no further than Glenm Greenwald’s at Salon.com. He writes sarcastically about Bin Laden’s killing that there is “nothing like putting a bullet in someone’s skull and dumping their corpse into an ocean to rejuvenate that can-do American sense of optimism.”
So, let us not pussyfoot. Obama ordered a targeted assassination of Osama Bin Laden, which is why most likely the first spin on the event, later retracted by administration officials, is that there was armed resistance and that bin Laden used his wife as a human shield. Victor Davis Hanson is correct when he writes: “It’s also easier to conduct assassinations abroad if the Commander-in-Chief is liberal.” You won’t find a Seymour Hersh article in The New Yorker condemning Barack Obama for using a secret assassination squad to carry out illegal actions. Instead, you’ll no doubt find a Hendrik Hertzberg column next week praising Obama for a great success, and for doing what George W. Bush was not able to. As Hanson writes, “Obama the law professor can assassinate bin Laden in Pakistan, dump his body in the ocean, and with first-person emphasis boast of our brilliant mission in a way Bush the Texan could not get away with.” Had the raid taken place during Bush’s tenure in office, we could be assured to find the pundits screaming about how the “cowboy President” hurt America’s image abroad by engaging in an inhumane military action that violated international law, as well as our Pakistan ally’s sovereignty.
So we are faced with liberals getting praised for precisely what would be condemned if a Republican and conservative had been Commander-in-Chief. Such are the times in which we live. So while we rightfully celebrate the justice that has been done by the death of the mass murderer Osama Bin Laden, let us also pause to give credit to the work done by the previous administration, which allowed Barack Obama to pull the brave action of our military off and to end with such great success.






All good until the end. This was not justice. Justice is what happens at the end of a trial. Nor was this just deserts. This was vengeance. Justified? Probably. Satisfying? To be sure. but something quite different than justice. Calling a death squad an instrument of “justice” soils the word.
Um, you have a strange definition of “justice” if the only form it can manifest itself in is a trial. If I stop a man from raping a woman on the street and in the process he dies, is that not just(ice)? If a man robbing a bank at gunpoint is killed by a bank security guard, is that not just(ice)?
The true arbiter of what is just is God, and He has given the responsibility for meeting out justice on earth to the civil authorities. He has set the punishment for murder to be death. You may argue that the US didn’t have jurisdiction killing OBL in Pakistan, but not that the punishment was not just.
Osama was guilty of murdering 3,000 Americans. There was no difference between what the SEALs did to him and what should have happened after a fair trial.
Further, he was still active in planning and encouraging acts of terror against innocent people living in this country and others, so he was a legit military target, regardless.
This was justice, not vengeance.
NO this WAS justice!
the term “justice” is not tied to some system of proceedure. It is merely one getting one’s proper recompense for wrong (or right) done to others. Do you think a man, breaking into YOUR house and stealing your family’s gold bullion collection, getting caught, tried in a court of law, but getting off because those who apprehended him failed to observe some “rule of evidence”, disqualifying the prosecution from presenting that evidence before the jury, who then acquits the thief…. YOU are out your wealth, the perp is free…. but it was done “justly”…… according to the rules governing such trials. NOsir, that is NOT justice.
Those SEALS exacted justice upon this man, guilty of the deaths and suffering of thousands we know of, fomenting untold carnage at the hands of his followers. Justice is only served in such a case when the guilty is dealt his due…. and the God who made this world has declared that he by whose hands another is slain, must himself be killed. He is no longer fit to live amongst innocent men.
Would his end have been more “just” had he been captured alive, transported to some place like Gitmo, tried before magistrates, evidence presented, sentence of death be meted out then performed….. all at millions of dollars of OUR money spent… to acheive the same result, five years later? He’d be just as dead….. and now is, a lot sooner, a lot cheaper, and a lot more certainly. JUSTICE is not what our liberal bleeding heart noisemakers hold it to be. Justice IS served. I onl wish the former administration had managed to complete the goundwork more quickly so it had happened on THEIR watch. So far, this is the ONLY thing our current administration has done well. And I rather fear it will be their last.
JMS,
1) Bid Laden confessed. And, did so without coercion. In fact, he confessed several times. Quite proud of himself.
Why would you think that a trial is (was) necessary to determine his guilt or innocence?
2) Why should the rest of us be bound by your vague definition of “justice?” But, perhaps you didn’t mean “justice” but “due process,” a less vague concept. Is that what you meant to write?
“In my estimate, one made by others as well, the team was instructed not to take him alive, in order to avert the possibility of scores of Islamists demanding his freedom, and putting Osama Bin Laden in the position of being a martyr for Islam, which he would obviously try to make himself.”
I would add that a good reason not to have taken him alive was to avoid the sideshow the Left would have staged starting with their demands that OBL be tried in a civilian court in NYC. Some prominent Lefty lawyer, probably with the ACLU, would have volunteered to represent OBL pro bono. The worthless ACLU attorney would have demanded and probably gotten from Holder the identity of the SEALs involved in the operation as material witnesses. OBL’s death is the best possible outcome.
The Leftists are an insane bunch.
I think this administration has a “kill don’t capture” policy when it comes to terrorists outside the US.
He would have been represented by the dream team of Ramsey Clark, Lynn Stewart (from prison) and William Kunstler (from the grave), via Eric Holder’s old law firm.
More than likely, several dozen Nidal Hassan’s would have been given orders to conduct a Beslan-style raid on a school or hospital to free him.
Thank Heaven’s the SEALs sent him to hell.
Thank the SEALs. I don’t think heaven had anything to do with it…
As an aside, I would differentiate between the two as follows: interrogation attempts to extract specific information, and is always double-checked. No serious intelligence operative would say that any given piece of extracted information is true without independent verification. At the very least, you need to have two prisoners, interrogated separately, and without a chance to compare stories. In addition, an interrogator would never use more “discomfort” than absolutely necessary, if for no other reason than it deters the prisoner (why talk if you’re going to get hurt anyways?)
Torture, on the other hand, is not performed for the “benefit” of the prisoner being tortured – it is performed for his/her friends, family, and co-conspirators. It is intended to emphasize the point: “don’t misbehave or you will end up like this.” Torturers are quite willing to take the information provided by a single prisoner because they ultimately don’t care about the truth – only the results.
well done
the delusional assumption that “extreme interrogation” doesnt work because the detainee will “say anything” to stop the interrogation is getting old
whoever thinks the information isnt checked, cross-checked, and checked again needs to step away from the podium and keep his opinions to himself
I don’t care. Obama is awesome. Bush is an idiot. And a warmonger. Bush rushed into war. Obama thinks before he acts. Bush was too much of a stupid frat boy to get Bin Laden. Obama is smart and cool. And he was never a frat boy when he was at Columbia. Or at least we don’t have a record of him being a frat boy when he was at Columbia. Anyhoo, Obama is a man of peace, and he’s smart — just like George Clooney and Bono. That’s why he got Bin Laden with surgical precision. It’s called smart diplomacy, or smart foreign policy, or something. Besides, Michelle has great arms.
You might want to credit your source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAyCdfOXvec
The second sentence is a link to the same video you posted. In what world doesn’t that count as “crediting the source”? Whadda you want, footnotes?
Oh well, at least you got the reference, and presumably the joke. It wasn’t intended to be super-secret inside humor or anything, but it looks like a lot of other commenters took it at 100% face value and assumed the comment represented the sincere protestations of an Obamabot — even with several obvious giveaways sprinkled about (no record of Obama being a frat boy at Columbia; Obama smart and Cool like Bono; smart diplomacy or something; Obama got Bin Laden because Michelle has great arms; etc.).
Ah, sorry, I didn’t notice the link. It was late and I was tired. But yes, I did get the joke. It’s a great video and I love to tweak my libtard friends with it. There’s follow up as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0VZW0wuH04&feature=related.
I bet your water bed is even filled with kool-aid.
Right on, brother! And he kept Biden awake during the whole operation, too! Whataguy! I nominate Obama-Soetoro for the Nobel War Prize with oak leaf cluster.
I’m all in favor of the Obama-Soetoro ticket in 2012. With an ego like O’s, who needs a VP?
You forgot to mention that by using the morally superior method of shattering Bin Laden’s skull w/a couple of high speed projectiles, Obama didn’t have to bother himself w/Bush’s contemptible, barbaric, repugnant & totally over-the-line procedure of pouring water on Bin Laden’s face. THAT would’ve made America look uncivilized.
the first three words of your post are the most important
you will ignore reality if only to fulfill some kind of delusional satisfaction with an imagined antagonist
please show your support for your idol by going to the polls on november 10, 2012
he’ll need all the help he can get
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/05/04/libya-vs-iraq-obama-is-awesome/
You like so many on the Left, ARE A BONAFIDE IDIOT!
Yes, Obama IS awesome, now he can go back to Chicago. His work is done in Washington. PLEASE!!!!!
I’m thinking that possibly they were, in fact, going to take Bin Laden alive.
The helicopters were able to insert themselves without detection and secret their way into Pakistan with perfect precision.
However, when the one chopper went down, the mission changed. Now there was evidence the U.S. was there. So this went from a Capture without trace operation to a Eliminate the Target operation.
I’m almost certain that had that helicopter not gone down, all persons in that compound would have been spirited out and the place left empty without a trace, and the Pakistan Government Without a Clue. (and unable to protest that someone who wasn’t there was kindnapped as well)
I’m not giving Obama credit for planning this and the continbencies, mind you, just for sitting in a position to say Yea Nea when real professionals planned it out.
I’ve heard it speculated that the SEALs disobeyed orders and dispatched OBL with lightning speed because it was better justice than Obama-Holder would have delivered and thereby better for America. No matter how you slice it, they are the heroes and not the empty pair of pants posturing in the White House.
I can’t believe that any Navy SEAL would disobey any order.
Of course they would not disobey orders. It was just that, they were being shot at, they fired back, and Bin Laden was “caught” in the crossfire.
That is a false rumor and an insult to the Navy Seals. They are trained to obey their orders, not to second guess them or re-write them. I’m confident they did exactly what they were instructed to do.
So we are faced with liberals getting praised for precisely what would be condemned if a Republican and conservative had been Commander-in-Chief.
This is partly true, but it foolishly yields the field to the corrosive leftists whose praises, and condemnations, monopolize public attention from the heights of the media and the academy, the BBC and NPR.
There’s no reason to utterly yield that public attention to these narrow bigots.
Turn up the heat from the blogs, Pajamas Media and all the brave dissidents who buck the mendacious tide created by the NYT and its acolytes. Summon the guts to praise the Bush administration, in equal volume and intensity, for its practical decisions on setting up Guantanamo, on its aggressive interrogations of ununiformed murderous gunmen, on its assembling the superb military team that closed Osama’s account without the loss of a single soldier. Obama enjoyed all these creations as off-the-shelf tools ready to hand – having neither invented nor developed them himself, or by fiat.
It will take some raising of voices, and smashing of the rules of political correctness in the process, to penetrate the public consciousness. But isn’t that what the ever-vaunted ‘public debate’ is all about? Make the case! Don’t just put up with double standards of judgement of military actions by presidents, merely because their parties begin with different letters. They’re supposed to be the presidents, and servants, of all of us.
Doubting and Handwringing over OBL
The old comedian Jimmy Durante had a stock line, “Everybody wants to get into the act” and now, as Osama bin Laden sleeps with his 72 virgin fishes, it seems everybody wants a piece of the OBL action with many bemoaning the success of America’s elite Navy SEALs.
Reactions from the Muslim world were predictable. Pakistan’s former president Musharraf denounced the American violation of Pakistan’s territorial integrity, as if that country had any true territorial integrity and was anything but a terrorist sanctuary. The government in Islamabad denied any knowledge of the mission, which is probably true since they also had no knowledge that bin Laden was a resident for six years; they called it a “unilateral action,” which is fortunate and all but insured its success.
The Taliban and much of the rest of the Muslim world doubted the 6 foot, 4 inch man who was shot twice and killed in the opulent, million dollar compound and residence then dumped, excuse me, lowered into the Arabian Sea, was actually their hero. They will probably still be doubting Ahmeds even after Osama’s death picture is released; they may contend it is a fake because the Osama they knew and loved had an intact head.
Perhaps the most amusing response came from an unidentified imam at Jerusalem’s Al-Aqsa Mosque who posted an anonymous YouTube threat: “The dogs will not rejoice too much for killing the lions. The dogs will remain dogs and the lion, even if he is dead, will remain a lion. We are a nation of billions, a good nation. We’ll teach you about politics and military ways very soon, with god’s help.”
Big mouth, big nation, and the dead lion sleeps tonight.
The overseas reaction to the successful mission was almost as predictable as the Muslim response.
The UK’s Sky News immediately demanded incontrovertible proof of the identity of the corpse dumped, excuse me, lowered, into the water was indeed the late Osama bin Laden. Germany’s Der Spiegel charged the entire operation was illegal and that, instead of dispatching OBL to the arms of Allah, he should have been captured alive and put on trial before an international tribunal, which would have given him a public platform to spout his venom and instigate his jihadist followers.
At home, the United Nations, not wanting to feel left out, felt compelled to chime in on the issue. . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=4314)
“….the corpse dumped, excuse me, lowered, into the water…”
Yep, Obama definitely water boarded Osama.
More like “keelhauled”.
Heh! The Idiot Imam: the dogs will still be dogs, and alive.And the lion will still be a dead lion. Some folks have a very twisted reality.For the lion it’s “game over”; forever.
Bin Laden opted out of the human species years ago, and is truly the gold standard of the intent of the phrase, “terminate with extreme prejudice.” What was it the Spartans would say? “To be cast out, to be treated as the Wolf, the enemy of humanity-general.”
I have no idea of the vacuous mental wanderings of the Left, such that they would even be questioning one instant of this justified end-game.
Obama ordered a targeted assassination of Osama Bin Laden, which is why most likely the first spin on the event,……
Really? The link below leads to a very interesting story and, if true, our country is in more danger than we think.
http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/3/
I got this particular link in an Email this morning.
I have no reason to doubt it & this is the 3rd time I have read an article about the lead up to the operation & they all said basically the same thing…
You are correct, we are are in deep shit when we have a couple wafflers like jarrett & ‘the one’ doing everything in their power to derail anything that don’t meet their narrow minded view. Worst part is, obama gets to take credit for it..That sucks !!
My hat is off to Panetta & also to Seal Team 6 for making it happen
I will not comment here on the specifics of the left’s posturing over OBL’s death. Instead, I would like to point out what I see as a recurring naiveté on the part of conservatives.
The entire philosophical basis of the left IS hypocrisy. We really need to grasp that idea, and stop pointing out individual acts of hypocrisy as if we finally have the quintessential example that will silence the left for good and for all time.
This is NOT the way to fight the left. In constrast, the left knows they can effectively tie up any conservative in figurative knots by denouncing him as a hypocrite, because it cuts to the heart of what a conservative idealizes himself to be. As for the left?… they couldn’t possibly give a d!*n.
Double standards are another name for ‘cultural Marxism’. Please look it up… it was conceived by the Frankfurt School back in the 20′s, and it’s been successfully used to tear our society apart ever since. Hypocrisy is then just the technique used to implement cultural Marxism. As long as the progressives hold our society in their death-grip, you must expect to see leftist hypocrisy endlessly reappear.
It is a waste of time and energy for conservatives to keep beating on this dead horse, because nothing will ever come of it.
Investorcs, I enjoyed your psycho-analysis of the Left’s successful use of hypocrisy and our ineffectiveness in dealing with it. I was hoping to hear your thoughts on how conservatives can counter that.
I agree. Noting for the millionth time that the Marxists are hypocrits does nothing to them, has no power over them. They. Don’t. Care. Might as well be pissing in the wind.
When their operational philosophy is pragmatism (the end justifies the means), then pride flows from being recognized as a pragmatist.
So what principles can cultural-Marxists be held to? I maintain that all their grabbing for power (and blindly supporting politicians who grab for power) is based on the principle of “helping the little person.”
The only way to shut them up is to compare the difference between republican capitalism and socialism in terms of what it does to the little people.
A great example is the Dept. of Education, formed in 1979 by Jimmy Carter. We have spent $1.7 trillion (through 2009) and reading and math scores have not improved. So it has been a complete waste of money in terms of doing what it was chartered to do. Look it up: it’s on the DOE website.
Another example is student performance at public schools in the District of Columbia, and performance of students who used the (now defunded) voucher program to go to private schools.
One could make an equally compelling argument about the war on poverty.
Pointing out the worthlessness of their tactics in achieving what they want is the only way to defeat them.
Anyone catch a glimpse of the hags on The View from Monday? You’d have thought ol’ Joy Behar was ridin’ a vibrator, she was so ecstatic . . .
Funny she never seemed so enthused when Bush was in office . . .
“You’d have thought ol’ Joy Behar was ridin’ a vibrator, she was so ecstatic . . .”
Yikes! What a mental image THAT conjures (must…retch).
This basically shows that most of the anti-terrorist programs started under the Bush/Cheney administration worked, not that any of the liberals would admit that. I’m getting a little sick of the coverage on the news. The main stream media is making it sound as if Obama is the greatest anti-terror warrior we ever had. They never quite seem to mention the fact that all Obama did while running for president was moan and groan and complain about all of the anti-terror policies Bush had. And yet, president Obama has kept every single program Bush started, including rendition, military tribunals, Guantanamo Bay, the Patriot Act, to name just a few. So I think Obama really needs to thank Bush for a lot of this because, had Al Gore been elected in 2000, I doubt any of these programs would have existed.
It can be said with great certainty, that if this raid had taken place during President Bush’s administration, most liberals would have been screeching to impeach him for invading a sovereign country; they would have demanded the SEALS be court-marshaled for their “extra-judicial killing” of an unarmed man, and they would have blamed President Bush for the heightened threat against US travelers abroad. This is not hypothetical; these are the real reactions of the majority of liberals for nearly eight years. This is also not mere political double-standards. For this level hypocrisy, something more astounding is at play. Perhaps the liberals praising Obama today are simply out of touch with reality and totally self-unaware. Or perhaps their previous complaints were not based on any honest sense of morality, but purely political propaganda, deliberately aiding our foreign enemies for the sole purpose of weakening the President, ie treason.
During the 2008 presidential run, Obama stated he would go into Pakistan to get OSB. He got slack from both McCain and Hilliary Clinton. Obama also got elected. As a liberal, I understood this to be his stance, and I elected him. No liberal would complain if a Republican got OBL in a similar fashion. Maybe it makes you feel better about yourself of something, but it is a delusional statement.
If this account of the events leading up to bin Laden’s execution is factual, this is a frightening story showing how the people in the executive branch disrespect POTUS.
http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/
I’m still waiting for the press release that credits President Obama with the current state of the economy and says that GWB has nothing to do with it.
Nixon illegally invaded Cambodia during the Viet Nam war. This caused the left and the media to go berserk.
Obama illegally invades Pakistan in search of Bin Laden. This causes the left and the media to rejoice.
Double standard?
You’re seriously comparing Operation Menu to taking out Osama?
Dropping more bombs on Cambodia than in all of World War II and killing maybe 50 – 150K civilians is in no way comparable in size or scale to what just happened in Pakistan.
That’s a ridiculous argument.
Nope, lack of standards.
If the SEALS had all been captured or killed and paraded in front of cameras by Pakistan and Bin Laden slipped away, I wonder if Obama would have been so keen to show of his micro-managing skills or would have folded up his tent and slipped away into the night.
Everybody who thinks the intelligence community and those SEALS are in awe of Obama’s leadership skills on this raise their hand. Obama’s acting like he moved pieces on a chessboard and is not giving credit where credit is due. He’s gonna get away with it cuz that’s how it works.
For now. Somewhere down the line this one might bite him.
Did you even watch his speech the other night? He gave total credit to the intelligence community and SEALS. Bush had seven years to pull the trigger but chose not to. Obama gets the credit not for the kill but for the order that Bush apparently felt was not worth giving.
According to President Obama’s speech, their first solid lead on the Bin Laden’s location came last August. What’s more, the President said that after several months of gathering intelligence on the location, he only recently became convinced that the intel was solid enough to be actionable. So how was Bush supposed to “pull the trigger” and kill Bin Laden in the seven years between 2001 and 2008 if Bin Laden’s location only became known sometime between August 2010 and April 2011?
Considering the fact that Bin Laden’s whereabouts were unknown during Bush’s term in office, it would have been awfully difficult for him to have “pulled the trigger” and killed Bin Laden. Without knowing Bin Laden’s location, the only conceivable way to have killed Bin Laden would have been through massive and indiscriminate nuclear annihilation of all his suspected hiding places.
Is that what you suggest Bush should have done? Would you have been cool with it if Bush had unleashed total nuclear war on significant parts of Afghanistan and the Northwest regions of Pakistan?
The leftists in the Obama Administration and those delude democrats who have failed to address our multitudes of problems EXACERBATED by their ineptitude are looking at this event as a Godsend, most unusual for a bunch of Godless hypocrites looking to continue funding state sponsored infanticide at taxpayer expense,refusing to seciure our borders, defend the DOMA, impose DADT on our military, desperatley looking to blanket amnestize every illegal alien in the country and franchise them to ensure THEIR remaining in power and a host of other Anti- American citizen measures like destroying both SS and Medicare while STILL allowing foreign aid and entitlement to illegals while EXPANDING government control over OUR Constitutional civil liberties and our right to CHOOSE what is best for ourselves and our families. They are sick, sick people and stand in opposition to all the traditional values and history, the willingness to defend and uphold our Constitution, the rule of law and our very way of life.They would deny to us our sovereignty and allow the UN or a substitutie to Dictate to Americans how and under what strictures we shall live and thier legacy at present, would impoverish our children’s children’s children and beyond. No matter what Obama and his buffoons do, the country knows it was the Bush policies that allowed this success whether Obama acknowledges it or not. In the end, his own arrogance and ineptitude to comply with the will, wants and needs of the people who bought all his sensless drivel about HOPE & CHANGE, have already sown the seeds of his destruction. He will be soundly defeated and the aims of both he and his party of panderers , repudiated by American citizens who will then go on to control our OWN destiny and cleanse our country of all those here illegally or who are ininmical to us and our way of life. God bless the Constitution, our troops, the rule of law and the people of this country; native born or legally naturalized, the rest have no place here and should be made to either take citizenship, swear allegiance or leave the country, PERIOD.
Let us not forget that Senator Obama actually apposed all the resources that allowed him to bring Osama to justice. This should become evident to anybody who has been awake the last 10 years. Unfortunately Americans aren’t being taught to think for themselves anymore. Just listen to the talking heads in the media.
If Obama had been president during the time of the last administration we would not have even had the information needed to find Osama.
DESPERATE OBAMA ORDERS KILLING OF BIN LADEN
Sometimes desperate men do desperate things to save themselves from failure and defeat. And such a man is Barack Hussein Obama. Indeed, our blundering, ill-starred, failing president faced with a faultering economy, rising deficits, a weakening dollar and turmoil in the Middle East ordered the death of Osama bin Laden as a desperate measure to save his disastrous presidency. That is the truth. Patriotism, national security, the common good had little or nothing to do with Obama’s “gutsy” move. For Obama is too political, too partisan, to un-American and narcissistic for that. What Obama did on the historic night of May 1st he did mostly for himself-for his political fortunes and legacy. Did he have the tragedy of 9/11 in mind, and the deaths of 3000 Americans? No! Not the man who backed the Islamist mosque at Ground Zero; not the man who sat in a racist church for 20 years listening to the lunatic ravings of an American hating preacher who saw in 9/11 the avenging hand of God. Not the power grabbing, big government statist who hates this unjust, capitalist country to such an inordinate degree that he wants to “fundamentally and foundationally” transform it. What Obama did on May 1st was not for me and you, but for he…….
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I agree with investorcs that pointing out hypocricy will not change a thing.
The whole concept that human rights can be protected, genocide prevented, etc by the ‘international law and opinion’ model has always been a farce.
Check out Caroline Glick today in the Jerusalem Post for an excellent essay on this concerning zionism and Jewish history.
Post modern leftists cling to international law, the UN and NGOs whenever it suites their interest. A feminist political science student once told me what she had learned which amounted to this: “It is all about power, everything ever written or said, all of these ideas and rights that get bounced around are just tools that different groups use to get power over others. It is what the dominant groups use to oppress others. Now that we figured that out we can use it against them.”
Moral relativism is taken for granted in the post modern view. There are no reference points except the eternal power struggle. It is not hypocricy to charge that Israel killing a Hamas leader is “illegal” and a “crime against humanity” while praising Obama for the very same thing.
The very idea of hypocricy requires a moral reference point, a truth outside ones own head and they know there are no such things. People, institutions, laws, religion, words, missiles, all of these are simply means to an end which is the acquisition of power.
What Obamas administration illustrates is that while this way of viewing the world can be very effecting in attaining power, it flounders like a fish out of water once it actually has it.
The CIA and SEALS have moral clarity. Their actions derive from their sense of purpose in serving something greater than themselves. All Obama had to do was pick the obvious from a short menu of choices in order to co-opt the success derived from a way of living and looking at life totally alien to him.
Hypocrisy runs in the veins of the poltical machine and American society. If it were a crime we’d have to build a prison fence and towers around the U.S. border. We’ve become a nation of a fickle society void of individual reasoning being led only by the rhetoric and strategic jockeying of the moment by all the political and social operatives. SAD!!!
Taking out UBL was a unified ['national mandate'] as of 9/11 and now that it has happended, look at all the bantering of political and social hypocrisy.
Had the raid taken place during Bush’s tenure in office, we could be assured to find the pundits screaming about how the “cowboy President” hurt America’s image abroad by engaging in an inhumane military action that violated international law, as well as our Pakistan ally’s sovereignty.
Richard Landes’ Augean Stables has a post about
What if the Israelis had taken Bin Laden out?
written by a former Minister of Justice, which more or less sums up the reaction you describe but one can imagine the Europeans getting involved as well with their invective..
Let’s not forget that John McCain also must acknowledge that harsh interrogation does indeed work. I think all the silly anti-Bush rhetoric by Obama, the left, Lindsey Graham, John McCain should be highlighted and shown to be misguided, if not outright lies.
It’s hard to believe that the same administration that put two Navy Seals on trial for punching a captured terrorist in the stomach just ordered a unilateral military hit in a foreign sovereign country, without their permission and without UN sanction, that took out 23 alleged terrorists, including women, who weren’t even read their Miranda rights or given a trial. Now we learn that they weren’t even armed. This was nothing more than a cowboy-style assassination. Obama and Biden should be tried as war crimnals. I love it!
Everyone’s got an opinion. Here’s one from the New Republic:
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/87793/osama-bin-laden-obama-guantanamo-pakistan-intelligence
I like Robert Fisk’s theory, which he presented in The Independent. It’s simple and logical. Says Fisk, of course the Pakistani army and intelligence service knew OBL’s whereabouts. Finally, one from either of these organizations tipped off the Americans. From there, I take it, the US protected the identity of its source by crediting years of painstaking detective work.
Kudos to the Pres! There was a risk of this thing blowing up in his face. The fact that the AG might just arrest him for it and it going against his own legalistic nature.
Kudos for doing what most Americans wouldn’t need to sleep on. He gave the order and gets credit for it. Hope he can kill a lot more bad guys before we vote him out. Then back to blaming neocons.
‘“…enhanced interrogation techniques,” the very mechanism that regularly led to charges of torture….’
Well, Ron, you know how squeamish liberals get when the gov’t uses just a wee bit of torture:
“McCain: Japanese Hanged for Waterboarding”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/29/politics/main3554687.shtml
Interesting contrast to note: In his speech about Bin Laden’s killing, Obama referred to himself and his vivacious, commanding, in-control, directly planning and directing role several times. He is all about “I.”
In Bush’s remarks on the capture of Saddam Hussein, three “I”s. One saying he had a message to the Iraqi people, one congratulating thanking the men who captured him, and one congratulating them.
Only one point of disagreement. I do not believe Obama deserves any credit for PLANNING the mission. Such a plan would have had SEAL Team 6 assaulting golfers who interfere with the One’s tee-time instead of a terrorist mastermind hiding out in Pakistan.
Look at all of our laws that were broken and our US Constitution thrashed, by king obama. This was not a capture mission, it was a kill mission all the way! Or maybe now osama can live out his days in peace, if everyone thinks he is dead! Why does obama and a lot of people around in the white house kiss the muslims asses so readily?
All this flapping of gums means nothing to those who know the actions that needed to be done to bring Bin Lden to justice and justice was swift and precise and now all that is needed is for the cowards in Washington to go after the rest of Bin Laden’s followers and elimanate them in the same way. Liberals are nothing but a bunch of pussy footing cowards who think nothing about bringing down this Country in any way they can. Allo liberals need to take a long walk on a short pier.
To me, as an opponent of all judicial or extrajudicial
executions as acts of illegitimate violence rather than
“justice,” killing a suspect such as Osama bin Laden who is
“unarmed” and can be captured, tried, and imprisoned (in this
instance for the rest of his natural life) is a human
rights violation and example of excessive force.
Similarly, and as a Jew I would add, I opposed the
execution of Adolf Eichmann in 1962, although I considered
his kidnapping justifiable and his trial invaluable: life
imprisonment would have been justice in every sense. And
similarly, I’ve considered the execution of Ethel and
Julius Rosenberg itself a crime, while keeping an open mind
about their guilt or innocence. While evidence over the
last 15 years indicates that Julius, at least, was guilty
of serious espionage, that doesn’t change my feeling about
the executions in the slightest. And during my childhood, I
also decried the hundreds of executions in Cuba!
Nor does it make a difference who was President or more
generally Head of State at the time of each judicial or
extrajudicial killing. This is an issue of conscience that
transcends questions of political advantage. As a
progressive, I’m quite ready to acknowledge that President
Obama has actually leaned more toward assassinating
terrorist suspects than his predecessor President Bush. I’m
in favor of capture followed by legal, humane, and
culturally sensitive interrogation of the kind which, with
patience, can yield the most useful information.