A Question for the Obama Administration, as the U.S. Tilts to Accepting The Muslim Brotherhood
Speaking to NPR on Sunday from Germany, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton joined the chorus of administration officials who seem ready to welcome and whitewash the record of the Muslim Brotherhood. “Today,” Secretary Clinton said, “we learned the Muslim Brotherhood decided to participate, which suggests they at least are now involved in the dialogue that we have encouraged.”
Clinton was referring to the MB’s announcement that they would participate within Egypt in the talks leading to the creation of a transitional government. She added that the United States demands non-violence and an understanding that the Egyptian people “are looking for an orderly transition that can lead to free and fair elections. That is what the United States has consistently supported.”
The Brotherhood, of course, is adamant that before negotiations go any further President Mubarak must immediately resign. As one of their representatives explained, “I think Mubarak will have to stop being stubborn by the end of this week because the country cannot take more million strong protests.”
One thing the MB understands is patience. They have been waiting a long time for the chance to get a foot in the door, and their pretense of moderation, it seems, is getting acceptance from the wishful thinkers among the Washington policy makers. For the Brotherhood’s leaders, an “orderly transition” is precisely the ticket they need to seize in order to eventually make themselves the leaders of a new Islamist Egypt.
In a major editorial explaining their views, the Jerusalem Post’s editor-in-chief, David Horovitz, notes that although precedents abound, “the US government seems intent on ignoring them.” For that reason, Horovitz’s article should be mandatory reading in our nation’s capital. There have been many areas in which, as so many have pointed out, President Obama is pursuing many of the same counter-terrorist policies adopted by George W. Bush. But one he should not emulate is the policy the former administration pursued in 2006, when the United States moved ahead with insisting on elections in Gaza, leading to Hamas gaining a parliamentary majority which eventually led to their taking over the Gaza Strip a year later.
Horovitz adds that both in Lebanon in the past few weeks and in Turkey, liberal leaders have been outmaneuvered and have proved unable to prevent “growing Islamic domination” of their countries, with the additional result that Turkey “is now drifting inexorably out of the western orbit.” In Egypt, the editor notes that rather than usher in a new partnership with the Muslim world, Obama made no effort to pressure Mubarak to reform in the past few years, failing to see that the people of Egypt would become embittered, and resort to the mass protests that emerged these previous weeks. Horovitz notes the dangers that then took place:
But however one gauges the realpolitik involved in that dramatic recoil from a 30-year ally, the White House’s subsequent reported moves to legitimate Egypt’s Islamists – whose outlook conflicts utterly with the democratic agenda – make no sense, and suggest a frighteningly superficial understanding of the Muslim Brotherhood’s intentions and potential achievements.
Far from learning the lessons of the Islamists’ skilled subversion of other pro-democracy movements, working with potential leaders of an Egyptian transition to minimize the risk of such a process recurring, and making publicly plain that there will be no ongoing American alliance with an Egypt in which an unreformed Islamist movement has even a marginal role in government, the White House seems to be actively encouraging a transitional outreach to the Muslim Brotherhood.
“Does our administration really want the Muslim Brotherhood to play a role in a new Egypt, with all the danger that as in Iran in 1979, when the mullahs eventually took power, they would follow the same scenario, moving to abandon their would-be moderation when the time for doing so arrived.”
Ron, you appear to be asking this question as if you think the current administration wants the United States to continue as a world power and a force for good in the world.
If you don’t make that assumption, your question is meaningless.
Clearly, the administration considers this country to be the major problem in the world today. They see anything that undermines the US and its interests as a good thing.
Muslim Brotherhood to play a role in a new Egypt, ?
OBummer wants them to play a role in the USA too
By the time obama is done destroying our country and military we will not be able to defend or stand up next to the shadow we once had!
That’s the whole point. We have a Quisling regime in the White House.
I’ve got a couple questions. How many separate nuclear warheads does Israel have?
When Mubarak launched his brutal crackdown on the MB was Omar Suleiman, the new VP in charge of that operation?
Surely Egypt is aware that Israel has nuclear weapons. If Egypt becomes half as radical as Iran, Israel’s options diminish greatly as does the risk of Israel feeling that they have either no choice or nothing to lose.
The rest of the world had better watch what it say’s and does because some of our people are crazy and easily provoked meme has proved productive for the Islamics. Perhaps Israel should give it a try. If I were them I’d consider planting a few articles in the papers about how heroic those guys at Masada were.
We are paying an awful price because most Americans don’t realize that an Ivy League soft discipline degree is normally a piece of crap. Voters were overly impressed by Barack Obama’s Harvard credentials. Hillary Clinton is also praised for obtaining her law degree from Yale. These universities are politically correct intellectual whorehouses. We should treat their graduates as idiots until they prove otherwise. The Muslim Brotherhood is today’s version of the Black Panthers. They are perceived by the “elites” as authentic voices for revolutionary change. We are in serious danger while Obama resides in the White House.
Exactly!
Increasingly, an Ivy league degree is becoming a very expensive badge of dishonor. Built on a foundation of postmodern relativism, its graduates are left unable to discern good from evil, right from wrong, and even the meaning of words.
It’s a modern tragedy to see so much intellect squandered building houses on sand. And it’s even more of a tragedy to see how this mindset is producing a faltering and failing America. After all, If it all depends upon what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is, how can it be any other way?
With very few exceptions, an Ivy League degree is a badge, not only of dishonor, but also of outright treason by the definition of the term in the US Constitution.
David Thompson:
Of course, the Muslim Brotherhood predates the Black Panthers by many decades. Your statement, “The Muslim Brotherhood is today’s version of the Black Panthers” is really not very informed. In fact, it is childish.
Your statement, “We are paying an awful price because most Americans don’t realize that an Ivy League soft discipline degree is normally a piece of crap.” How do you know this? I can understand your distaste for “elites”, educational and otherwise, but “a piece of crap” degree? How much background in education, per se, let alone higher education, do you claim to have?
Your use of “piece of crap” and “whorehouses” and “idiots” indicates that you, and so many right-wingers, are not able to use the English language without employing profanity, can not provide a logical argument, and do not rise, in your discussions, above nativist child-ish prattle.
Paid shill.
Look for a single common first name, insults and no information.
This guy is wordier than many of them. He probably gets paid by the letter. He might be smarter than the usual dreg. He once posted a link.
Moveon has a stable of these guys. For some reason, they make themselves very obvious at PJM. You would think they could do a better job with information, but they probably don’t have any except lefty loon sites and they know we won’t bother looking at it.
They get really excited about the blood and gore topics. Tucson was the ultimate wet dream. This Lawrence guy gets off on Sow Pivens. Now we know he has a thing for the Ivy League morons.
It’s one tactic of thousands. There is probably a handbook that we’ll see some day. “Alinsky tactics in the 21st century”.
On the contrary, the terms “piece of crap” and “whorehouses” and “idiots” do serve the purpose of conferring the higher level of disdain that the Ivy League’s (and its emulator’s) arrogant and elitist mindset deserve. These people have completely lost the plot of what this nation is all about – if they ever even understood it in the first place.
Lawrence,
And Mohammad predates Harvard and Yale….. So What?
That doesn’t change the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood is a dangerous, insurgent seditious group. What, Oh Wise One, would you recommend be done about them? Appoint more of them to Federal Judgeships like Gov. Christie did? It appears our leaders, both Republican and Democrat, are more interested in pandering for Muslim votes than they are in protecting American interests.
“piece(s) of crap” works very well when referencing Ă©litists.
You’d have to use a little stronger language when referring to the head of the Muslim Brotherhood affiliated New Black Panthers…
King Samir Shabazz
Nothing the Obama administration does can be described as “thinking”.
I’m not as concerned who is running Egypt as I am who is running the US.
All who voted for the Anointed One ought to have known that all kinds of crap will happen. Enjoy!
The man in the Oval Office is friends with, and lies about his friendship with, a committed, unrepentant, anti-American terrorist. And that’s just Bill Ayers.
Can ANYONE name me two things Obama has done since he took office that HELPED America become stronger?
Either he is the most incompetent boob to ever take the job or he is an active saboteur. Those are the only two scenarios that fit with the facts.
It’s the latter. We need to vote out that Taqiyya spouting clown.
To be redundant….
You would think that our administration would pick up a history book now and again RE: The History of Middle East Arab Republics, for instance, in order to better understand that which might apply to the Egyptian situation. Of course, if they bothered, Mr. O and Ms. C would discover that such a book has never been written as there is no “The History of Middle East Arab Republics” simply because none have ever existed (Iraq excluded as it is not yet functioning in any meaningful matter.)
From day one of this mis-adventure I have contended that the MB will win out and that Egypt will devolve into an Islamist state hell bent on the destruction of Israel and all infidels in general.
If they succeed there WILL be a war in the Middle East and increased terrorism throughout the world.
I would suggest that at some point if Israel is floundering under pressure from all sides they will, as a last effort, launch nukes.
When this horrific mess begins to unfold it will be interesting to see how the leftists here in U.S. wiggle there way out of the nightmare they are now helping to create and of more interest still who they will toss the blame to, as they surely will with help from the MSM. Probably those damned hate filled Christians and Jews would be my guess.
The Moslem Brotherhood is as bad as Ron Radosh points out, and worse. Hamas is an offshoot, while Osama Bin Laden, and many of the leaders of Al Qaeda started there. Obama’s policy is counter-productive to America’s interests.In the unstable Middle East,stability of the Egyptian Nation and the continuation of its peace treaty with Israel should be our highest priority. The Moslem Brotherhood will try to destroy these goals. And will, if they get in the government, as will happen unless Obama, and Clinton change their foolish, counter-productive policy.
…the U.S. Tilts to Accepting The Muslim Brotherhood
That’s just peachy keen.
What kind of morons are we, anyway ?
…Global Muslim Brotherhood leader Youssef Qaradawi. Qaradawi himself has ruled repeatedly that suicide bombings against Israel are justified as a form of resistance to what it sees as Israel’s occupation of Muslim lands.
“He’s got a face full of warts, yellow, snaggly teeth, and the raspy voice of a retching cat.”
(but Imam Feisal Rauf of Victory Mosque fame has declared him the greatest living Islamic scholar)
Did BO not support Odinga in the election in Kenya.
Odinga and Muslim Brotherhood are on the same page.
The reason the U.S. has thrived is because it is NOT a democracy, but rather a federal system which protects the minority. A true democracy will always stamp out the minorities. For a hundred years, the U.S. has moved from a federal system to pure democracy with ever-growing power of the executive branch, eliminating any stable rule of law, with corrupt elitist leadership. As history proves, democracy always ends in dictatorships.
If the Middle East moves to democracy, the majority’s lack of tolerance for non-Islam people will crush Jews and Christians alike. The key to freedom MUST include legal protection for minorities, and promotion of TOLERANCE. Tolerance is a rare trait in the history of mankind. We are the ONLY government founded on federalism and we traded the model for democracy. It’s no surprise that the elitists push for it.
Peaceful jihad is more dangerous to us than violent jihad. How frustrating it is when people point out the nominally non-violent character of the MB,in contrast to their hotheaded younger brothers in Al Queda,as if this rendered them a benign force.At that point,perhaps one should ask the rhetorical question,”How did Hitler come to power/”.But then,they probably won’t know the answer.
What’s it thinking? It’s thinking appeasement, its thinking we will still be in power, its thinking that this is inevitable, its thinking we can always make money, its thinking this American sovereignty and constitutional republic thing is an adherence to our globalization efforts, its thinking it will bring even greater crisis and opportunity to manipulate the American public to advance their goals.
The muslim brotherhood is the root of hamas and of alqaeda.
This administration supports it.
It is as simple as that.
If you have voted for a subversive internationalist, this is what you wanted and what you have unleashed.
If you don’t want that, vote differently in 2012.
If we are still standing in 2012, of course.
Because the plan of the internationalist subversives is to destroy America, that has been the only defense of Freedom, worldwide.
Or you could instead keep thinking that people like me are the Neanderthals, and that the true light of the future is the muslim brotherhood.
Good luck.
TREASON is our right to claim , Colin Powell said yesterday in the beginning of the super bowl its up to Americans to challenge the Government and what it does , under the provisions of the Constitution , civil and peaceful debate !!!!!!!!!!!!
With the rage of the possible Muslim Brotherhood Caliphate , and the affiliation with the Obama Administration we can question this as abating and aiding the enemy by the claims that the Muslim brotherhood has made towards the Western nations and Israel , this is a worthy read to consider why history repeats itself .
http://jdlcanada.wordpress.com/2010/12/23/european-life-died-in-auschwitz-sebastian-vilar-rodrigez/
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/02/who_is_sebastian_vilar_rodrige.html
http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=1865 , the original article
I meant Aiding and Abetting the Enemy is a claim of Treason by this Administration because they should not give the Muslim Brotherhood the platform in which their threats to Western Civilization or Israel are heard , but rather the Obama Administration should be calling on the Muslim Brotherhood to Come out on the Record and denounce the threats to Western civilizations and Israel , and speak to the condolences of Peace and prosperity for all people of the world . Then maybe we all can start a new beginning !!!!
And Repeal of the Health care and replace it with something that WORKS to preserve LIFE and LIBERTY Not this death panel plan , transferring 500 Billion bucks out of Medicare , forcing the American people to pay for something all their Lives only for the Government right at the last years of Life get to decide what treatment IF any we the people will get , what kind of dang deal is this ???? Sounds like a population reduction plan to me !!! something like what I see out there when I Google the words , PEAK EARTH and OVERPOPULATION or Earths Human Carrying capacity , all the reasons you will see why we saw the Health care bill we saw , with fill in the blanks left in the 2000 plus pages for the regulators to restrict our care with Ha !!! We the People better get business before the get the Upper hand on our crash cart needs !!!!
Are Barry and Hillary and the rest of his administration including the State Department just plain crazy? Do they not know who the MB really is? They are the founding father of all terrorist organizations throughout the Muslim world, with few exceptions. The founder of the MB received money, training, arms and other assistance from the National Socialists in Germany; you know, the NAZI’s. If the MB gains control of the government in Egypt they will declare the peace treaty with Israel null and void and prepare the country for war with Israel. The other Muslim countries will follow suit. Do Barry and Hillary have any idea of what they are doing and dealing with? This isn’t some theoretical discussion being held in a college classroom, this is real life stuff that can result in thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands dead and injured. The incompetence of Barry and his drones is simply stunning.
Absolutely NO incompetence in this team of subversives.
They have managed to be elected.
They have managed to hit the American economy with deadly blows.
They are managing to extend the role and the might of the islamic terrorists all over the Middle East and North Africa.
The colossal move realized by the CHIMERA (the alliance of elitists, internationalist subversives, and islamist) in these last few years is a masterwork of strategy.
It can lead to the demise of America’s power.
And that’s all the subversives want.
If we underestimate them we will not be able to move the voters in 2012.
Only the friends of Freedom have shown “incompetence”.
I suspect Obama secretly shares the view of many around the modern world that Muslim extremism is the direct result of the United States’ strong alliance with Israel, an alliance he secretly intends to break. Then there’s his troublesome response in a televised interview when he referred to himself as a Muslim until hastily “corrected” by the interviewer and the Cairo outreach speech in which he gave a glorified and distorted view of Muslim contributions to western civilization. Then there’s his refocusing NASA’s mission, convince the Arab nations of the significance of their participation in and contributions to, the space program. Is all this just accidental misspeak?
TO: Ron Radosh
RE: Heh
….the U.S. Tilts to Accepting The Muslim Brotherhood.
Are you REALLY that ‘slow’?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....but some people are 'slow learners'.]
So Ron, now that Commentary and the Weekly Standard have made clear their aversion to Beck’s fear-mongering, where do you stand? You seem to be leaning Beck’s way, which is a shame since he is crying wolf and–like McCarthy did with anti-Communism–is de-legitimizing genuine concern about the Muslim Brotherhood through his inability to differentiate between worst-case scenarios and what has already happened, not to mention his conspiratorial “linkages.” Democratic revolutions are messy, as you know, but we should be aiding the democrats and helping them defeat the Islamists in the battle of ideas and politics, not turning our back on the whole process out of fear. That road will only lead to disgust at the West on the part of the secular democrats and strengthen the totalitarians–a perfect self-fulfilling prophecy.
Mind if I re-punctuate the sub-headline, and thus rationalize it:
“What?
Is the Obama Administration thinking?”
Tom
TO: TomMikePat
RE: Say ‘What’?
What?
Is the Obama Administration thinking?” — TomMikePat
What do you THINK this [mis]administration is ‘thinking’?
I’ve got a good idea what it’s thinking. And Obama-the-undercover-Muslim is thinking that having the Muslim Brotherhood take over Egypt AND the Suez Canal, is just ‘great’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[If it's bad for America, Obama will do it.]
Hussein IS a Mohammedan don’t you get it yet ???
Americans have egg on their face for letting this happen and doing nothing.
What’s even worse is that Obama was elected by a mere 30% of the electorate. There was a 58% turnout for the election and Obama won 52% of those. The people who didn’t bother to vote have earned a lot of the blame for saddling us with that Taqiyya spouting Pretender.
For in depth coverage with accurate information on the Egypt crisis go to Rubin Report blog of Professor Barry Rubin.
What would have been wrong, really, with the WH declaring from the outset that it will not welcome the muslim brotherhood participation in the governance of Egypt? For the sake of diplomacy, one may prefer not to provoke a party which might theoretically be open to dialogue, but with one such as the MB, which is most definitely not any kind of dialog partner, what is the point? No matter its policy, the US will always be accused of interference in the domestic affairs of Egypt, so why not contribute an element of clarity in the picture? All the wishy-washy statements about democracy are unrealistic at this point, and unworthy of any authentic statesman.
By hearing a plain statement smoking out those who pretend to be “moderate”, the Egyptians who are on the fence in regard to the MB who have gained a chance to think again before blindly supporting the MB. Taking a clear stance against the MB would not have been anti-Mubarak nor against the hopeful protesters. Hesitancy and equivocation on the part of the US is the worst possible “contribution”. Why can’t we have anything better? Next time around, let’s not vote for the sleazot who serially voted “present”.
Here’s what the Obama administration is thinking, or what their puppet masters are thinking (I think the former):
“We’re Marxist Muslims; the Brotherhood is radical Muslim and even more brutal than Marxists. What’s not to like? Let’s do what we can to help them along. We’ll tear down evil capitalist Christian America and Britain and stick it to them all.”
When you find out what this word means: TAQIYYA …..you will understand just who Obama really is!!!!! Then research “New World Order” there is a ton of information there also.
Pray for our country, because things have only begun.
Barako knows what’s going on,and he’s pleased with it. Spreading Islam !!
Lawrence,since when is ignorance a point of view ??