There is no better précis of how the Left thinks about the world, and acts on it, than the British journalist Nick Cohen’s article appearing in the new issue of Standpoint. Cohen writes a candid appraisal of what left-wing politics did to the mind and life of the late actor Corin Redgrave, brother of the more famous Vanessa, who like her brother, is a lifetime member of a small fanatic Trotskyist sect, the Workers Revolutionary Party, led by a man named Gerry Healy. The group was so fanatic that it accused Trotsky’s American followers of having been responsible for his murder in Mexico, ignoring all the evidence that it was an NKVD operation orchestrated by Joseph Stalin.
As Cohen notes, all the Redgraves are good actors. Vanessa could, while she denounced Israel and praised Palestinian terrorists, at the same time appear on American television as a Jewish concentration camp victim in a Holocaust drama. I used to say, when people asked for my position on the blacklist of the 1950s, that I despise Vanessa Redgrave’s politics, but would go at a minute’s notice to see her perform in a Broadway play. I praised her acting ability, and her prowess as an actor did not make me pay an ounce of attention to her political harangues.
This, of course, is not how the British media (so similar to the American media in this regard) dealt with her brother’s politics after his recent death. All the usual sources praised Redgrave as a man who fought “injustice and oppression,” and who tried “to make a better world.” That is certainly the case, if by a better world one means the regimented police states so favored by Marxist-Leninist regimes, to which Redgrave devoted his life.
As Cohen reveals, the truth is that both Vanessa and Corin “spent their adult lives serving a repellent totalitarian party led by a rapist and a friend not of ‘human rights’ and ‘justice’, as Radio 4 pretended, but of dictatorship and terror.” Cohen paints a picture of the paranoia that surrounded the Trotskyist party’s headquarters in Clapham, and the leader’s admonition that all members “had to cut off all ties with everyone except the chosen few.”
Cohen cites the reality told by Corin’s first wife, Deirdre, who had the presence of mind to divorce the actor and raise her children in a normal fashion, rather than submit to the entreaties of the party militants. As Cohen puts it, she said that her husband was “wasting his time and being taken for a fool.” But Corin Redgrave, like Vanessa, seemed incapable of leaving what in essence was a cult. As Cohen perceptively writes:
The marriage broke up because no cult can tolerate a member with a wife on the outside gently pointing out that he is wasting his time and being taken for a fool. Healy knew that the more you invest in a political or religious cause, the harder it is to break from it. He ensured that his members would find it hard to break with him by working them close to exhaustion. The BBC and many others wondered why Redgrave disappeared from the stage for much of his career. Self-censorship prevented them from explaining that he was in thrall to a despot who would not allow him the space to flourish. One WRP member, Kate Blakeney, described the process. She spent so much time and money supporting the party that she could not afford to feed her own children. “We were too busy, always busy, and could hope only to catch a few hours’ sleep.” One day Healy asked to meet her in his London flat. She went hoping to convince him to give her and her comrades in Oxford a respite from his demands: “[He] opened the door for me. He had been drinking. Something was all wrong. I pushed by his large body, sat down in the chair and started to make my report. Healy came towards me, was hovering over me. He was not listening to a word I was saying. He wanted only one thing from me, my sexual submission. For a moment, I just stared at him: fat, ugly, red-faced. Something inside of me snapped. I, my husband, my children, my comrades had sacrificed so much, had worked so hard for this…animal.”
This scene invokes the memory of the account offered in the searing memoir written by a young Iranian American, Said Sayrafiezadeh, When Skateboards Will Be Free. In his book, Sayrafiezadeh, a wonderful writer, tells a similar story of how her mother lived only for one thing, serving the Socialist Workers Party, as she was forced to move from home to home, without money or a job, devoting each minute of her day and many of her nights to handing out party newspapers and pamphlets, or putting up traveling comrades. When her little son was molested by one of them, the party leaders informed her that “this is what capitalism does to some people,” and she should merely forget the incident.
Corin and Vanessa Redgrave were not born in squalid poverty. They are another harsh reminder that the truly poor and dispossessed rarely engage in radical politics. Nope, that dubious honor usually goes to the sons and daughters of fairly affluent parents. They seek meaning for their rather pampered and spoiled lives and are often easily seduced by ideologues offering a true believer utopian vision and regimented lifestyle. The Redgrave siblings most likely could have also become fervent Nazis. It is often a matter of which extremist group gets to them first. They simply want to find an allegedly great leader who will make all their key decision for them. Freedom truly frightens these grossly immature individuals.
“The Redgrave siblings most likely could have also become fervent Nazis.”
You are most correct in this observation. An astute historian and observer of human nature once commented that life is like a circle, and in the circle o life the far right and far left meet; “they are really no different”. The Nazi hated the Jews (and humankind), as do today’s far leftists. Rabid “pro-choicers” are frequently just people who hate other people; mankind is the problem that causes so much pain to Mother Earth, best to start killing Man in the womb. The best defense is to stand firm in your convictions and be ready to defend yourself at a second’s notice. If you are not a big Second Amendment supporter, become one.
James, very well put. It is amazing to learn what racists Darwin and Margaret Sanger were – how they wanted to winnow out the “inferior races”. And Darwin’s world-view, of course, had a great influence on Hitler. Yet, Darwin is held up as a model for scientific thought and Margaret Sanger as a brave advocate of women’s rights in our schools.
Not by any stretch of the imagination can Darwin be called a racist. His ideas were misused and rewritten by racists who looked for some scientific basis for their nonsense, but he would have been the first to dismiss their racist ideas as rot.
The Nazis were not rightwing. Nazism is a leftwing ideology little different than Communism or Fascism.
Nazi = National Socialists
Stop repeating the lie that Nazism is a rightwing belief. It is not!
It has been firmly demonstrated that Naziism was also a movement from the Left. That we think otherwise is due to WW II propaganda out of the WH to distance Nazi politics and programs from those of FDR
But don’t forget to see “Letters to Juliet”. Vanessa
Redgrave’s supporting role does show her talent.
PS: The statue and wall in Verona actually exist as do the letters and “juliet’s Secretaries”. Neighbor of mine has seen same.
Back on topic: Agree with D Thomson about how the well-to-do are the worst offenders. Those who actually have to hustle deal with reality out of necessity if nothing else.
To show what I mean, take Hollywood—–please. In the day of overt communism, screen writers were the most likely to be “card carrying” or close to it.
Stunt men were the most anti-communist and hard-headed of all. That is because writers could get paid for fantasizing. Stunt men either obeyed the laws of nature or got crippled or dead. ‘Nuff said.
… yet also you might want to consider the aggregation of fraudulence in her life as condensed in “Julia” where, together with – hehehe – who else, Jane Fonda, Vannessa heartily participated in that “autobiographical” story completely invented by Lillian Hellman (another lefty bitch), affair later unveiled by Mary McCarthy:
…, “nothing, nothing is true when she says something, and even when she says “and” “and” is a lie” {McCarthy about Hellman) -
Fitting arangement, Vannessa Redgrave and Jane Fonda participating in that fraud that “Julia” was, don’t you think so?
All in all.
..I think Fonda disgraced herself the most and in the most god awful ways..
A little two-year-old child does not normally wonder how its toys, food, diapers, and other such goodies come into existence. These items are simply taken for granted. A few years later it will start to realize that their parents have to go to work and somehow produced the wealth to pay for everything. I am toying with the theory that a large number of the truly affluent never really grow up in this regard. Wealth doesn’t have to be produced—it somehow magically exists. This sort of thinking encourages cart before the horse reasoning. We should focus on redistributing the wealth. Its production is deemed to be a relatively minor matter.
And to extend your insight further you would also realize even as a small child that you were fundamentally “different” than all but a few other people that you met. And that that difference made you an object of wonderment and admiration by many of those others who worked for a living. That persisted long after you realized that money wasn’t magical but nonetheless appeared when needed just as if it were, to the anointed ones such as yourself. With no need to work and virtually anything you wanted coming easily when you wished it so- due to the inherent advantages and threats implied with wealth-you had no reason to improve yourself through study, to gut it through tough tasks or to experience disappointment. It would border on the miraculous for a person to come through such an environment and be what is generally considered a “good” person at the end of the day! How sad.
The camel through the eye of the needle…
It is important to distinguish between Marxist-Leninism and populism. I try to do this on my website. For instance here: http://clarespark.com/2009/12/16/perceptions-of-the-enemy-the-left-looks-at-the-right-and-vice-versa/. Movies are a mass medium, and appeal to a working-class and lower-middle-class audience. These groups view themselves as dominated by big business, so the movies have always been anti-Wall Street and anti-plutocrat. There is also the affinity between liberal Catholicism and Marxism. And the Popular Front of the 1930s meant that the bourgeoisie and communists would make common cause against all the fascisms. Persons like the Redgraves thought they were standing with the oppressed, as have many other artists to this day. That it also increases their viability in the business of moviemaking doesn’t hurt either.
The differences between socialists and populists are mainly cosmetic, and the excuses they come up with for the govt programs that they want.
The govt programs both groups demand are pretty much identical.
Thanks for that article, Ron. I had no idea that Vanessa’s crazy and obnoxious ideas resulted from her living in a cult. I just blew her off as a typical rich limousine commie, just a little over the cliff because she’s an actor, and emotional (ie, she has not brain.)
Cults are noisome things. I remember once, while in one of those 70s therapy things: the leader was a True Leader; and one of the participants WANTED to kneel to him.
You mean, kinda like idiots wanting to kneel before ‘some kind of god’?
Or rather, ‘sort of a god’? I forgot how that statement went, exactly.
Do you deliberately try to be stupid, or is it just a natural result of being you?
After the liberation of France in 1944, committees met to expel from the arts, cinema, publishing, etc., all those compromised by association or subservience with totalitarianism. Since America is now EUropean-style state, why can’t we expel from the arts, from schools, and from government all those associated with totalitarianism? It’s not like we have to recognize their “rights” anymore than a EUropean people.
As Leo Bookmann, the uber-agent at the William Morris Agency, told me “Actors are pinheads.” Here we have proof of that in spades.
You;re right, and I think Jon Voight and Chuck Norris prove it.
Says the genius who can’t tell an apostrophe from a semi colon.
Semicolon is one word.
Next?
Now you’re the genius who doesn’t realize that either way is correct and who can’t tell the difference between a semi colon and an apostrophe. Then again, maybe it depends on what kind of colon we’re referring to, Mr. Troll. Next.
Make ya a deal.
I will gladly tell Norris and Voight to shut up about politics if the rest of Hollywood will do the same.
Right on, brother! Arguing w/Skeeziks: akin to arguing with a 3 year old, except the 2yo has better grammar and punctuation skills.
Oops! My 2/3 yo analogy don’t match – originally I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and made a 3 yo, but I forgot to change the other one! Sorry, my bad. Skeeziks, please accept my humblest of apologies.
assuming he can spell the word
Only those who have lived from birth a life of privilege would be inclined to adopt the radical, soul-crushing mantra of totalitarianism as did the Redgrave siblings. The air of superiority allowed them to adopt the noblesse oblige attitude necessary for their “we know best” style of authoritarianism. That either was or has been a great thespian is of no importance when judging their contributions to humanity. The hypocrisy of their lives lived in luxury while they espoused the dictates of those who would enslave makes them fools at best, vermin at worst. We need only to look at the White House today to see what sympathy with the far left has wrought.
Confession, absolution, penitence. These rich lefties could have received this from the Catholic church.
The Scietologists use these methods too, methods taken from from the Eastern European and Chinese Communist re-education camps – never alone, never with other people that your mates, constantly observe their acts and cricize or report to the upper echelon in case of un-orthodoxy, harass and blackmail the potential defectors, conversation alway to address whow incidents or public events releta to the ideology in cause… the works… result = total dependency = a sect =
And these lefties call themselves free people bringing freedom to those whose minds are chained by bourgeois ideology -
Boy -
I used to love to give these “free spirits” a hard time by pointing out how they all wore the same uniform. Instead of rejecting convention, they had merely adopted a new one.
Playing with what little mind they had left could produce such amusing reactions.
You mean a three-cornered hat and pantaloons?
I only wish I could play with your mind. But first we would have to find it.
Did you write your mother like I asked, to see if she knows where you left it?
Mark, ask of it if it is ELIZA or PERRY.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
No, I didn’t. But I’ll be sure to ask your mother next time I see her.
Slezack, I really doubt you are going to heaven.
In your case, SK, it’s not a tricorn that covers a little mind – it’s a large, progressive whig of matted, lice infested Kumbaya hair, under which occassionally, little fleeting, non-sequiturs florish, then disappear -
You write like a letter to the editor that got rejected by Cracked magazine. Leave satire and parody to the professionals. You’ll only embarrass yourself (further).
I’m sorry – but I can’t separate one’s prowess as an actor (musician, artist or otherwise) and their political harangues. When asked his position on various issues of the day or candidates, Elvis Presley used to respond, “Look, I’m an entertainer and I would prefer to keep my personal opinions about that to myself.” Why can’t performers do that today? I don’t mind them being activists – just don’t spew your politics at your concerts, in your movies, or your (so-called) art.
I am completely turned off by actors (Julia Roberts – yuuuuckk!, Susan Sarandon, Martin Sheen, et al) and musicians (Dixie Chix, Springsteen, Eagles) who try to shove their politics down my throat. I will not pay to see them perform at any venue or buy any of their work because of attempt(s) to use their fame to foist their politics on others.
Like you, RockThisTown, it rankles me to no end to learn that some “artist” or another holds my values in contempt and actively promotes an anti-American and despotic ideology.
I then look at their artistic work through an enlightened lens and can’t bring myself to support them in any way, especially not with my entertainment dollars. Life is too short, and there is talent-enough to be enjoyed in the works of others: JSBach, Vivaldi, John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, and a whole host of others, the list of which would be too long to include here.
I assiduously avoid the work of Clooney, Damon, Hanks, etc. I am not so enamored of film and art to open the door wide to any old thing that wants to think of itself as art, pass itself off as art, while in fact it exists for another reason all together: to tear down our sensibilities as to what is the good, the true, the noble. I would call them nihilists.
Hey Darcy,
Thanks for the validation. I actually forgot about Clooney, Damon & Hanks – none of whom will I pay to see in anything. You are spot on calling them out as nihilists. There are more & more Hollywood people coming out of the conservative closet: Tom Selleck, Kelsey Grammer, Wayne & Eastwood as you mention, and others. I’m glad to finally see some balance, b/c being a conservative in Hollywood formerly meant getting blacklisted and that “you’ll never work in this town again.” That seems to be changing, although not near fast enough for me. War movies from the 50′s portrayed soldiers as noble, valiant heroes, but today’s war movies (Oliver Stone comes to mind here) portray them as drugged-out, deranged, rapist-savages. Sad, indeed.
GLOVER.!
There are no more Jimmy Stewarts or Henry Fondas in Hollyweired. They were very good friends from back when they were nobodies. They also never talked politics with each other. . .
(ya think their lives might be a bit of a reflection on their politics?)
I agree with this thread entirely. I don’t usually buy DVD’s, but I went out of my way to buy “An American Carol”, and also to see it in the theater, just because of it’s conservative bent. I think these “coming out” conservative actors are taking a very big professional risk, and I’ll do whatever I can to support them for doing what is right. I hate to think what will happen if conservative media does not make a profit.
So skeeziks, the founding fathers were a cult. Damn, freedom with responsiblity always seemed so….American.
I am glad you have shown me the error of my ways. Now I can rest easy because I can believe in “skeeziks says so”. Thinking for myself and listening to all sides of an issue was just so exhausting. When can I start handing out your pamphlets?
Michael,the real question to ask of it is: ELIZA or PARRY?
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
Nooo, the founded fathers were a coven of landed gentry. People who dress up like the founding fathers are a cult. Hope that helped.
That last part, where you say “Hope that helped.” — that’s sarcasm, right?!
I get it! I get it! Cool! Man, you’re way cool Mr Skeeziks. That was cutting-ass sarcasm — phew! You sure showed them!
I’m gonna study all your posts carefully now for more examples of such sarcasm, ‘cuase that was just… way cool … oh, I guess I said that already, oops.
Reply to #5
Mr. Skuzneck, skeeziks, that is, depends basically on only a few rhetorical techniques. And he does not notice that these techniques are self-defeating. One is: the exception proves the rule, or proves that there is a rule. When almost all the “big” stars come out in favor of some goofy statist scam or other, Mr. Skuzneck finds one or two exceptions and brings them to our notice. These exceptions only serve to prove that there is a rule and the rule is “big” stars ARE leftist pinheads.
They’re not exceptions. They’re hypocrisies.
Gee, an intelligent progressive should know that the proper term is “hypocrites.” After all, progressives are hypocrites so often.
Don’t be a ‘short-bus’ bigot, CW! Skeezer is tryna best he can given his limited brain-function. How dare you tease the ‘tard?
U IZ MEANNNNNN
FYI – hypocrisies is a real word. Now you know.
Yes, it is. Very good, Grasshopper.
However, hypocrisies is the plural of hypocrisy, which is a pattern of behavior, a pretense… that is, it’s not a person. A person who exhibits hypocrisy is a hypocrite, and the plural of hypocrite is hypocrites.
Therefore, you were saying that the people in your example were not people, not human beings, but that these people were a pattern of behavior.
Now, you could have been trying to remove even the basics of humanity from people that you disagree with, but I chose to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you used the incorrect word. However, if I was incorrect, and you were claiming that those actors that you disagree with are sub-human, then you, sir, are among the most contemptible of human beings I’ve ever encountered… but note, please, that I am still allowing you the benefit of your basic humanity.
Would you like to play word-games some more, or will you crawl back under your rock now?
ConservativeBlunderer . . . I choose my words carefully. And yes, I’ll be happy to play games with them. I don’t need your benefit of the doubt. The reference was about exceptions and rules, neither of which are people. My comment stands correct as written.
Take care in your next few posts. I’ll be correcting them.
Ahh. Okay, so you were obviously referring to people you do not agree with as concepts, not as people. Your spinning can’t cover that up, and the more desperate you get the more your spin reveals.
Of course, this is part and parcel of the whole lefty mindset. People are not individuals, they are always and forever members of a group. Hence we have “The African-American Community” spoken of as though each and every black (or partially black) person believes identical things. Which, of course, they do not. They are discrete individuals, and have differing beliefs, likes, dislikes, dreams, hopes, aspirations, and all the other things that make people different.
And, that goes back to the original point. You’re upset because a couple of individuals broke with what you believe they should believe by virtue of the group that they belong to. And thus you attempt to declare them non-human, because in the deepest recesses of your mind, you cannot consider someone human that doesn’t march in lock-step with the group you’ve placed them in.
Therein lies the difference between conservatives and liberals. We believe in individuals. You believe in groups. But you forget that every group is made up of individuals.
“The old ideology still remains ‘in the bloodstream of the wider Left — the propensity for Jew-baiting and conspiracy theory, the shrieking dogmatism, and, beyond all that, the self-censorship, which stops a broadcaster legally obliged to be objective dealing plainly with news that reflects badly on its class and kind.’”
Leftism is a cancer. It’s not about progress. It’s not about justice. It’s about destruction. Instability and destruction. The fact that it has managed to co-opt and completely degrade western liberalism is profoundly depressing.
With actors, I think leftism’s appeal is that it makes weak people with childish minds feel intelligent and important. But that fact that they’re childish doesn’t make them any less guilty of spreading a destructive ideology.
And another thing …
If Vanessa and Corin (and all the other armchair radicals in show business) actually believed a single word of communist ideology, they wouldn’t have spent their lives in an industry in which everyone is obscenely overpaid and entitled compared to the average worker.
Yes, Redgrave,
I remember the name. Me, an angry young man, strong within my views, a military, fighting man, and she, strong, with opinions, within hers…
Then I listened. She began to speak out about humanity and the strength, within humanity and I heard the message. So, there might be two sides to every coin, is there?…I’m not sure 40 years later…
They all talk a good game. Useful idiots is the name that the KGB gave them.
Vanessa Redgrave is a fanatic antisemite. Her skill as an actress is a mitigating factor? May she rot in hell forever.
possibly, there is some sort of pathology, a psychosis that is inbred in the redgraves. many artists throughout history are quite mad and it is always gut wrenching to separate their art from their persona and peculiarly nasty beliefs.
Ron,
As long as I can remember, we have just deified the Left.
In music class, when I was in the 5th grade, we sang two Communist Anthems…This Land Is Your Land and If I Had A Hammer(And Sickle.) Then, Comrade John Lenon, with IMAGINE…Communism has named itself…The Brotherhood Of Man.
http://4merly-a-person.livejournal.com/184339.html
12 Step Group…LLLA LEFTIST-LOONY-LIB ANON…
We’re not going to WIN against EVIL, because we don’t even FIGHT her.
My acronym: PISSIE. PACIFISM IS SUICIDE SUICIDE IS EVIL.
http://www.reversespins.com/pacify.html
Communism is the polar opposite of the Sangha (community of the Spirit). It is a counterfeit, taking on the name of ‘the brotherhood of man.,’ but without God in the equation, the system will eventually breakdown. Much damage and evil works are done before this happens though. Millions of lives are lost and culture and religion destroyed. It is a battle of Light vs. Dark with reincarnated leaders at the helm who have no allegiance to God, the Buddha, the Sangha and the Tao.
The current Dalai Lama admits he is not the thirteenth Dalai Lama. I think this is born out by the fact that ‘the thirteenth’ saw the need for military solutions.
I do know that the U.S. should have come to the defense of Tibet. They did so but it was limited. There are forces within the U.S. government that have always supported communism. Whenever the U.S. tries to help, these strategically placed individuals subvert the plan at the highest levels and at the scene. Right in the midst of a U.S. trained and sponsored counterattack by Tibetan nationals, the U.S. ambassador to India, John Kenneth Galbraith, refused to send U.S. aerial support, dooming the mission.
Alger HISSSSSSSSSS, The first SEXERATARY GENERAL OF THE CommUNists…AND, he was HOLLYWOOD HANDSOME.
Al Franken is HARVARD SMART!
BE STILL, MY BEATING HEART!
You and Whiskey need to get an echo-chamber going:
http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/04/30/the-n-commandments/#comment-105658
I suspect that many wealthy people support communism and anti-democratic socialism, from Vladimir Lenin, Fidel Castro, to George Soros and Corin and Vanessa Redgrave, because they think that they are superior to the rest of mankind and should rule over them.
Mr. Radosh – your articles are always a treat to read. This was one of the best. Thank you!
Fanaticism makes fools of individuals who are weak and easily duped.
When my best friends claimed they were ‘fans’ of a ‘so-and-so’ I questioned them as to WHY? They never had a logical answer except that so-and-so was so ‘dreamy’ and ‘charismatic’. I said in reply, “Appreciate the art but don’t worship the individual.” Needless to say, I enlightened and pissed off a lot of my friends.
Why are the Dems so gullible to radical Left-Extreme whackness?
Poor/Youth/Minorities/Women/Uneducated/Elite
The truth is, there are ‘conservative’ men who still think women shouldn’t be able to vote and flaunt their chavanism:
http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/
Should ‘morality’ be taught and freedom ring? Should people be taught right and wrong and then allowed freedom to make choices based on what they’ve been taught? I think so.
What is ‘morality’ any longer?
The same men defending their porn addictions are probably the same twits who complain about women breast-feeding in public.
I often wonder with exasperation if our founding fathers really meant our freedom of speech to mean people being able to post videos of a man being killed by a horse anally penetrating him?
Is there no limit?
That’s where our school’s have lost their souls.
We CAN’T CONTROL people but we CAN teach them morality. Shame? Yes, shame is what gives us a CONSCIENCE for frick sake!
skeeziks
Semicolon is one word.
———–
So is Dummkopf!
A semicolon by any other name is a half-ass.
Delia . . . Delia, Delia, Delia . . . I know you’re a good person at heart. And I know the gremlins run free now and then, too. Make you think and try things you shouldn’t. But really, siding with the apostate conservatards? Life is so much more fun than that.
Now, here’s what you need to think about . . . what does life really have to offer? And why aren’t you pursuing it? That’s the liberal way. MarktheGreat has taken it upon himself to bar me from heaven. He doesn’t realize that everyone is going to heaven. Even Newt. How do I know this? God told me so. It’s true.
One of my own,
Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice and I tease you with the ticklish feather of sarc!
nyah
Comrade Skeezie,
Here I was throwing in with you, thinking that Delia was jousting with you. She doesn’t like M*n, very much, but apparently, she is 3 times the ADULT, you are. Sorry, Amelia.
Skeez…Go over to AlterNet. They BAN trolls, such as my-own-self. You can be an AVATAR, there!
Comrade Skeezie,
I KNOW how you Lefties, LOATHE it when Christians say they are going to pray for you, and that G*d loves you.
Bad, er…GOOD news…I don’t pray for you and you are going somewhere, but I’m pretty sure heaven ain’t gonna be that place. From Saint Paul, the former Pharisee(Christian hunter/killer)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%201&version=NIVUK Romans 1;
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worth while to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practise them.
And, Skeezie…This gets me in Dutch with Neo Christian Pacifists, as badly as it does with you Heathens.
<8-} HAVE A NICE ONE!
Actually dummkopf, the liberal way is to let others pursue what life has to offer, then expect half of it to be given to them for no other reason except that they exist. What a sad way to go through life!
Believe me, fireyourgubs, you have nothing I want.
I could have sworn you were looking for some brains?
Moho, (insert many personalities), sleazits you are liar.
“You people… ” “Conservatard” Need a refresher? Liar.
“I know you’re a good person at heart. And I know the gremlins run free now and then…
What, are you now O’Brien as well?
Could you be avoiding “you people”, “retards” and “hillbillies”. Nice to see you self censor. But the pull is strong. Why give up your best material simply because you have been outed as a liar?
139. Moho:
“I could lie about it from here to next Thursday, what difference would it make?
Nov 4, 2009 – 8:01 pm
Wasn’t that avoidswork and some others popping up here and there on PJM? Was that you talking to your mirror, making up friends you so at least someone could understand the deep complexity of a methane huffing Modern Liberal full colon. Cesspools do get lonely.
And your man in the White House, Mr. President, as he runs from the Brown Skinned Threat, while past Edwardisms haunt the Perfect Half-Black Professor. Tell us all he will be in heaven as well. Or, are you confusing Van Jones with… God?
69. skeeziks:
“You don’t know what Kyber likes, only Kyber does.”
Jan 29, 2010 – 9:05 am
Bark now Kyber. A special treat of the dopamine rush awaits. Cut up the New York Times, paw up some random scraps, and bark something from that that will make sense, at least to raw sewage pretend friends.
Military jargon? Break it out.
Remember Van Jones? He’s your bro’, right?
You’re whipped, mild and boring now. Moho was much more entertaining. Whatever.
Senor Lucky,
I see that the itchies have returned, eh? You should thank me, given that I’m the only one who ever responds to you. I understand your need to conflate the many people here who disregard your thinking. But I think there may be a therapeutic opportunity for your in your very own madness. Adopt a new identity. Perhaps you achieve that modicum of relevance or provocation you so desperately seek.
Now remember, always take it with water.
You people… Hail Rush Go Sarah…
35. skeeziks:
“By all means, set aside your principles and your true convictions in favor plausible deniability. You people are such chickenshits.No wonder nobody respects you.”
Jan 30, 2010 – 12:55 pm
What’s that? What’s that, Multiple Person of the Year? Mirror too warped for reality? Love your cesspool logic.
April 23rd, 2010
Rush Limbaugh, Patriot
Roger Simon
14. Diablo
“You people are two sides of the same sick coin. Keep lapping up the claptrap from your dope fiend idol.”
April 23, 2010 – 4:48 pm
42. dahbouv
“You people don’t get hypocrisy and why that is bad …”
April 24, 2010 – 8:23 am
skeeziks
“It’s a matter of character. He’s a junkie, a philanderer, and a hypocrite.”
“Get your principles straight”….
April 24, 2010
“Hypocrite”? Yeah, a liar and nothing more. Get straight
skeeziks
“The relentless lies, crying and self righteous moralizing of the Tea Baggers…”
“Have fun with that.”
April 30, 2010
Homophobe. Liar. Ha ha. Real funny.
Then this too…
skeeziks
“Hail Rush, Go Sarah!”
April 26, 2010
Palin Mainstreams the Birthers
December 4, 2009
- by Rick Moran
111. Now and Then:
Hail Rush, Go Sarah.
Dec 4, 2009 – 1:23 pm
Need more Kyber? Bark baby, bark.
Muggers like it when you resist with your “Courage and Intelligence”. Whatever
Mr. Winkie,
Are you a Cerebral Narcissist, or a Somatic Narcissist?
I’m pretty sure, ewe are a Cerebral one. You are Wicked Smart…I LIKE that in a boy.
Leftards Are Idol Worshipers…
http://4merly-a-person.livejournal.com/181739.html
Which is more RETAAAAADED, mispronouncing nuclear, or CORPSE MAN, for corpsman?
How about Guam, capsizing, as we yet again, run away from our mortal enemies?
Emotionally and Mentally Challenged 3rd Grader Hank Johnson…D, GA
http://4merly-a-person.livejournal.com/180819.html
Leftism, is a godless religion. You probably have a 160 IQ…Isn’t that Spatial? One shoe and one sneaker on as you leave for the Maoist Farmer’s Market.
Mr. Winkie,
Actually, your screed is so thoroughly confusing, I’m not sure if you are on my side, or you are a Disciple.
If you are on my side, I think if we were in the same platoon, I would ask for a transfer to another. You give me a headache.
Don’t sleep in the subway, darlin… <;-]
Amelia Bedilia, are you STILL fighting with the boys?
Give it a rest, Girlfriend…There’s OLD GROWTHS OUT THERE TO BE SAVED, AS WELL AS PLANETS!
Hippie Flower Children, Evil Be Thy Name, Thy Hades Come Thy Will…
http://4merly-a-person.livejournal.com/170751.html
TTFN…Thanks 4 Noticin Me…Gawrsh!
Called, WEAPONS GRADE SARCASM.
This reminds me a lot of Bill Ayres and Bernadine Dohrn.
His father was Chairman of the board of Commonwealth Edison, the biggest power utility in Illinois.
She was from the wealthy Milwaukee Wisconsin suburb of Whitefish Bay.
She was a FOX.
He was a coke bottle glasses NERD.
Ayres father’s money got them off the hook for murder on a technicallity.
They are both radical leftists who grew up with privlidged backgrounds.
Very similar to the Redgraves.
someone mentioned it is the children of the affluent who indulge themselves in utopian visions.
I’m reminded that Bill Ayers, a man who set bombs and hoped people would be killed by them (fortunately, incompetence was the order of the day, and only one of his own terrorists died), was the son of a wealthy Chicago politico, Thomas Ayers, who ran Commonwealth Edison electric. Bill Ayers was raised in luxury, went to the finest schools, has a BRILLIANT mind, and somehow he still has embraced the terrorist, utopian, totalitarian vision of the world. When he was young, an fbi informant attended a weather und. meeting and reported that Ayers and his thugs were seriously discussing the ‘liquidation’ of millions of Americans who, after the ‘great revolution’, would not abandon capitalist traditonal American ideas. When the informant asked “by liquidate, you mean kill?” they said yes. Bernadine the Bomber was there, and Ayers was running the meeting. “Camps” and “liquidation of certain elements” were happily discussed.
INtellect and privilege appear to be, more often than not, the REAL birthplace of savage totalitarianism… not the poverty and suffering we’re constantly told about.
Dave,
There have been PJM blogs on Narcissism.
I do not believe there is a Demon-O-Crat, alive today, who doesn’t suffer(BUT, causes US to suffer) from this malady.
M. Scott Peck called Narcissists, EVIL. They are incapable of concession, empathy and they are constantly in a murderous rage at us, and anybody who DARES question their god like brilliance.
They are “Cereberal Narcissists.” And, “Somatic Narcissists.” (Sexual athletes, like Bypass Bill Clinton.)
Complete inability to SEE THE TRUTH.
http://www.dadi.org/hysteria.htm
According to psychology literature, the hysterical (histrionic) personality is diagnostically grouped in what is known as “Cluster B” where it shares billing with a rather sinister group of antisocial, borderline,and narcissistic personality disorders(1.).
In other words, there is not a Demon-O-Crat, on the planet today, who isn’t an hysterical Drama Queen.
RFK, JFK, Daniel Patrick Moynahan and Give Em Hell Harry, are spinning like tops in their graves.
Dave – as you pointed out the ideas espoused by George Barnard Shaw managed to live well into the 60s. You have to wonder if those ideas are still alive and kicking around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgpaKkrZex4
I had no idea Corin R. was that messed up. I only knew him from the movie of “A Man For All Seasons”. He plays William Roper, depicted as pompous and quickly changing from Catholicism to passionate Lutheranism and back to passionate Catholicism (and eventually marries More’s daughter Margaret). How ironic that the character’s extremism somewhat resembles the actor’s.
Comments made by the LEFTOIDS of skeeziks’ sort are like big blobs of vomit; it takes a second to produce the one. It takes an hour to clean it.
It takes a few seconds to spaut his cretinous rant. It takes many informed comments and a great deal of work to respond to it.
I lived with this same mentality.
My parents and my brother all got into the Christian Identity Movement (interlinking with the “Militia Movement,” “The Patriot Movement,” “Sovereign Citizens,” etc.). It’s amazing how close they are to commies. They scream against banks, corporations, the military, NASA, the church, technology (they were very much Luddites). Politically, there is little difference between them and loonies like Code Pink; I suppose just guns. That’s about it. In the end, they had devolved into ancharists, recognizing no law but whatever God told them to do (which was polygamy).
They threw all their lives into it.
As for Corin Redgrave: God, how I loved his performances in “Persuasion” and “The Forsyte Saga”!
As an observer of the Loony Left for 70 years it has long been apparent to me that the condition is a mental disorder. (At 4 years of age I was exposed to the manic ravings of an uncle that was a member of WWU. he beat my aunt, trashed the factory he worked in, found a job through Harry Bridges under an assumed name, married three more women without a single divorce. Come to think of it today he could be a Hollywood Star.)
If you read the book Witness you become aware that Chambers realized that he was operating in an organization that depended on it’s members to be outside of “norms” (normal) human interaction.
The Left was (still is) upset not so much that Alger Hiss was exposed but that their deviance was laid bare for all to see by a “little fat man with bad teeth”.
Parlor Game: 3 degrees of Alger Hiss, or How to Spot an Old Lefty.
Ask; 1-Did you ever sign a Free Alger petition. 2-Did your favorite professor ever sign a Free Alger petition? 3-Did your favorite professor’s favorite professor ever sign a Free Alger petition?
Unlike Kevin Bacon if he’s an Old lefty you won’t need six degrees.
Isn’t Vanessa Redgrave an actress not an actor?
Cults are very powerful. They can make people discard their families and take their own life (aka Jim Jones). It’s sad to hear that V. Redgrave lived in a cult and is still under its influence. She is a wonderful actress and to learn of her cult background emphasizes to me, we really don’t know what’s going on in someone’s mind. I hope she gets help.
A chilling article reminding us what often lies behind the Hollywood elites and their “causes”. The story has everything: celebrities, politics, sex, fear. Funny no one ever made a film about these events…. oh wait, never mind.
What appears to be described is not merely a “party,” or even a party with firm discipline and authoritarianism, but cults, which happen to be Marxist.
I’ve often wondered why so many of the best actors and actresses are absolutely bonkers when it comes to politics. It might have something to do with their better-than-average skill in projecting whatever characters they play so well. “There, I’ve created a believable Captain Bligh; now I can create a believable socialist paradise.” I think they, like many other people who are so off base in politics — like self-made businessmen who endorse socialist causes or donate university chairs that give communist professors free soapboxes from which to condemn capitalism — compartmentalize their skills and success in living in reality and segregate them from their moral premises, which they more often than not inherit from their parents, schools, and churches and never bother to question. They keep these compartments separate and never attempt to link them. If they tried, their minds would short out. I’ve lost count of the number of top-drawer actors and actresses who could project proud, intransigent, independent individuals up against mobs and corruption, yet endorse totalitarian ideologies that are the enemies of such individuals, and never suspect that their minds suffer from a very serious and unnecessary dichotomy. I can admire them as thespians and enjoy their performances, but must shake my head when they open their mouths on politics.
I believe part of the answer is that for many actors, success does depend on luck. Getting invited to the right audition.
Getting a part in the right movie.
Making friends with the right senior actors who can help your career.
It’s pretty easy to look at how luck played a part in your getting rich, and just assuming that everyone else who’s rich, got so by being lucky as well.
There’s also the aspect of guilt, huge riches, from a few months of work. Riches that keep pouring in, year after yeareven though you are doing no work.
Here’s a sample of the Hollywood Leftist mindset. Seen on Nikki Finke’s blog.
“Hey, guess what, conservatives? You’re right. We DON’T like your shitty views – and we DON’T have to tolerate them. We DON’T believe in a make-believe supreme being watching over us from the make-believe heavens. We’ll gladly use a supreme being as a character in a fantasy film – if it brings in the $$$.
“I, personally, don’t want to sit at a table and entertain homophobic, Christian right, ignorant, intolerant and intellectually stunted views and opinions from the people I’m working with. And why would I want to hire them in order to propagate such views.
“Bush was a blood thirsty tool and Obama is a man of conviction and intellect – I have nothing to be ashamed of in endorsing the man. I’ll also be the first to call him out on his shit (like escalating in Afghanistan).
“If you want to be embraced for your views, go start up the Evangelical Ministry of Entertainment and finance your own fucking garbage. Our garbage stinks just fine over here. The Republicans, when in office, operate on a scorched earth, take no prisoners platform and Hollywood should do the same.
“I don’t want to “pally” with some pro-life, Karl Rove dick sucking hypocrite who has decided to shed his V skin and show me his true lizard nature. Keep wearing your human disguise and shut the fuck up.
“Hollywood is our play pen and we align ourselves with humanity and self-interest at the same time. Weird, but it kinda works.”
Now isn’t that special.
The opening passage of that article is superb. It describes not only the “London intelligentsia” but equally well the chattering classes around the developed world.
“The best way to picture the London intelligentsia is as an outwardly respectable Edwardian family at the dinner table. Many subjects are taboo, so sexually rapacious uncles and demented aunts are never mentioned. The dependence of the family’s lavish income on the labour and taxes of others is always forgotten. It seems a traditional scene, but today’s intelligentsia break with old bourgeois patterns in only one respect. Rather than engage in small talk, the family denounces the immorality of others. Everyone else is either gullible or wicked while only their motives are pure. This unbending self-belief ensures that self-satisfaction trumps self-examination and the self-improvement that goes with it.”
Coming right after the post about Nikki Finke’s blog, your post is especially appropriate.
I think the problem is – they lack the depth.
I have spoken to many good people who, nevertheless, support wretched causes, and in EVERY case the error does NOT lie in the immediate issues, but in their underlying assumptions.
The compartmentalisation of their invariably limited knowledge is reinforced by such dense barriers of anti-concepts, that any rational discussion of the problem becomes impossible.
Their ideas are never integrated by the solid bonds of essential or causal characteristics but by the fragile glue of emotion which is why challenging their ideas creates in them such dread and fear – being wrong imperils everything they know because error undermines their whole intellectual framework!
Integrated thought and anything much beyond the most superficial understanding thus becomes impossible for them and a secret, guilty, hatred for man and this world is the inevitable result.
“Check your premises,” cautioned Ayn Rand, and she was right.
It’s not just the facts surrounding some fashionable issues that are at stake – it’s no accident that Ayn Rand was one of the few post-Enlightenment intellectuals to harbour a consistently positive view of mankind.
The “brillance” of Bill Ayers? The “talent” of Vanessa Redgrave?
Only in a hopelessly debased culture such as ours do such people
get noticed. Ayers is a 60 year old man who has never moved past the resentments and self absorption of adolescence. He writes full length books on the horrors of childhood spanking. In late middle age he sounds exactly like Holden Caulfield the 16 year old rebel of Catcher in the Rye.. Teenage angst, alienation, confused sexuality, and the endless search for hypocrisy in the adult world these are the themes of Ayers and the Redgraves. Redgrave a great actress? Her emotional range was that of a teenage girl gullible, credulous, self absorbed, pouting, protesting. We keep hearing about these peoples “rebelious” nature? But it was the rebellion of spoiled child that wants the world as simple and understandable as the one their wealthy parents provided and which they never left. ..And their whole live was one long temper tantrum ..screaming and protesting until the world, like their nursery. revolved around them and their “ideals”
I like that ehunter — well said.
Lynn Redgrave has just died.
Prayers and condolences to the family of Lynn Redgrave. It seems to me that Lynn was the “nice” one of the bunch, rarely, if ever, wearing her politics, whatever they were, on her sleeve. She also appeared outwardly to be the happiest of the lot.
Hey #32 Beverly: nice, tolerant, family-friendly rant.
Obama a “man of conviction and intellect?” Surely you jest, Mr. B. (57 states, the police acted stupidly, “corpse-man”, 3000% reduction of insurance premiums – shall I go on?). Conviction, I can agree with . . . . in a court of criminal law, that is, whereby he gets 10-20 yrs in the slammer.
#35 John: amen, brother. Fantastic and spot-on description of modern day libs. If they don’t get their way, it’s waah-waah-waah, red-in-the-face until they get their way. Then’s it’s a disaster, they claim victory, then move on to the next place where they make another mess.
The Redgrave Dynasty and Perverted Politics
Just a year after Natasha Richardson, daughter of Vanessa Redgrave, met her untimely death in Quebec, Britain’s Redgrave clan gathered together once again to mourn the passing of Lynn Redgrave, the homely antiheroine of “Georgy Girl,” (1966).
F.Scott Fitzgerald famously, supposedly, once commented to Ernest Hemingway that “the rich are different from the rest of us” to which Hemingway famously and supposedly retorted, “Yes, they have more money.”
No matter the accuracy of that exchange, Fitzgerald was correct if he really said the rich are different and not just because they have more money and the same can be said of the semi-rich elite class who are different mainly because they can be. Think Queen Elizabeth II making her first trip to Ireland and failing to abjectly apologize for the atrocities England visited for centuries on the Irish people and the IMF’s Dominique Straus-Kahn visiting New York and raping a chambermaid, allegedly.
The Redgraves, Britain’s answer to America’s Barrymores, are a case in point, an acting dynasty who make and live by their own rules. If Brit author Tim Adler can be believed, the whole family are a sick, perverted, not to mention a hypocritical leftist bunch, although “hypocritical” would be a redundancy when referring to leftists and especially rich, elite leftists.
Adler’s latest book, House of Redgrave: The Secret Lives of a Theatrical Dynasty, recounts the activities of the family . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=4509)