“The Nation,” Jihad and General Casey
By now, most of us are tired of the continuing litany of “let’s not judge” what happened at Fort Hood, and that Major Malik Nidal Hasan was simply mentally ill and stressed out because of his impending deployment. He, like a disgruntled employee, simply snapped.
That is why it was so refreshing to hear Senator Joe Lieberman on Fox News Sunday, where the maverick Democrat now independent dissident dared to say that Hasan “reportedly showed signs of being a “self-radicalized, homegrown terrorist.’” There were indications, he noted, that Hasan “had turned to Islamist extremism” which should be investigated. If so, his action was not that of a mentally unbalanced individual, but “a terrorist act.” The military should have acted, Lieberman added, and once they got notice of various reported signs about Hasan, he should have been gone.
Lieberman’s view is especially refreshing when compared to that offered by Army Chief of Staff General George Casey, who told CNN that “You know there’s been a lot of speculation going on, and probably the curiosity is a good thing, but we have to be careful, because we can’t jump to conclusions now based on little snippets of information that come out.” Rather than acknowledge the obvious, General Casey was concerned instead that undue speculation could “cause a backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers,” and that while Hasan’s action was a tragedy, “it would be a shame if our diversity became a casualty as well.”
Any objective observer would think it a tragedy if the Army swept the motivations of someone like Hasan under the rug. He not only yelled out “Allahu Akbar” before his shooting spree, but told various people that American Muslims should not be fighting other Muslims abroad, and that actions taken of a violent nature like suicide bombings were justified.
But perhaps the single most egregious post on these events comes, rather predictably, from those good folks at The Nation magazine, in which John Nichols writes “the incident inspired an all-too-predictable explosion of Islamophobia.” Nichols perceives that what triggered Hasan’s attack was that he feared getting combat related stress as he had observed in the soldiers he had treated. Of course Hasan would have been assigned to a medical unit treating soldiers in need of psychological counseling, and he himself would not have been in a combat situation.
Yet Nichols is sure that his action “might well be the latest in a series of stress-related homicides and suicides involving soldiers who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan,” or who are dispatched to what Nichols terms “occupied lands.” He is sure that in fact no one knows what motivated Hasan. He acknowledges only that the Major was “deeply troubled,” and that he might have been an “imperfect follower of Islam.”
Hence what he did was not an act of Jihad—as Marty Peretz among others have argued— but to the contrary, “it should be understood that to assume a follower of Islam who engages in violence is a jihadist is every bit as absurd as to assume that a follower of Christianity who attacks others is a crusader.” Somehow, Nichols cannot conceive that the Islamist ideology Hasan followed, which he learned at the Wahhabi mosque at which he studied, as Stephen Schwartz has reported, might have something to do with his act.
One might also recall that many leftist commentators, including those who write for The Nation, regularly argue that indeed, bombers of abortion clinics and murderers of pro-choice doctors who perform late term abortions are motivated by their Christian evangelical beliefs. That other Christians and pro-life activists condemn such violent acts does not deter them from putting the blame on those who believe in Christian doctrines.
Indeed, to attribute Hasan’s actions to Jihad is not to condemn “a whole religion,” as Nichols argues, but to draw conclusions from the facts we know to date. True, many Muslims serve honorably in our armed forces, but they obviously are not subscribers to Radical Islamist doctrine. True to form, Nichols cites the words of CAIR, which he simply calls a “civil rights and advocacy group,” rather than acknowledge the more accurate conclusion others have drawn about the group’s real agenda, and its regular pattern of apologia on behalf of various terrorists.
The view of The Nation editors, who have regularly condemned American military actions in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and who call for immediate complete withdrawal of all American troops from the region, seek to turn the nation’s attention away from the need to counter a real threat of terrorist action at home, to one of curbing a supposed witch-hunt in the making against Muslims.
So we have good reason to worry, when similar thinking from those quarters comes from the likes of General George Casey. Hopefully, he is not a reader of The Nation.






Since there have been no documented (ostensibly) criminal acts (and there are activists combing the hills, searching for them) against Muslims, one must assume that this “explosion of Islamophobia” merely refers to speech acts, including acts we call argument, but they nonetheless call hate.
Of course, that has not kept everyone from the President to the Head of Homeland Security to the lefty pundits from prioritizing the importance of these alleged speech acts over the act of committing 13 murders.
Soon, it will not be enough for there to be no “hate crimes” or “incidents” or “hate speech”: there must be no dissent when accusations of Islamophobia are levied, and, after that, even silence will be adjudged guilty.
This is precisely how Major Hasan saw things, if it is indeed true, as his relatives insist, that he was driven to slaughter and maim dozens because he was “reacting” to a minor and possible staged incident of vandalism against his car, or a childish slur possibly uttered at him.
In the simultaneously relativistic and selective universe of bias crimes law, the slur (certain slurs, not others) do become “more important than” garden-variety murders (or even certain murders with clear bias motive but the wrong types of offenders and victims).
The media coverage, to date, of Hasan’s crimes is merely the logical outcome of ten years of inculcating the media with the bias crime movement’s programming. Expect more of the same.
How absurd. You know the “truth” of the event as much as I do; that is, you don’t know anything. One account of the shooting by a witness says that he was silent when he started shooting. Your rush to judgement only indicates what a vested interest you have in portraying this in a certain light. You’re playing with fire, you can’t control these people once you’ve convinced them there’s a jihad. I doubt you have a conscious in the business you’re in, but you might want to think about that before you embark on this incredibly unprofessional journey of irresponsible demagoguery.
You’re absolutely right, moho. It’s pure demagoguery to assume Hassan was acting out of religious hatred. If only he had consistently made jihadist comments. Oops, I guess he did- never mind. Well, maybe if he had protested the treatment of Muslims by the U.S. Oops again, well-documented. Perhaps if they could prove he was associated with radical Muslim imams. Dang-it! I guess he was. Or maybe if he had been in combat and had suffered stress. Nope. Well, moho, I guess we’re going to have a little more trouble convincing these wing-nuts that they’re “playing with fire”. Damn reality!
It would be more refreshing if Leiberman knew what he was talking about. He referred to the Arkansas jihad claiming that an Army recruiter was shot indicating he never fully researched the incident which left one Army soldier dead and a second soldier wounded. It took place outside a recruiting station.
When the top member of Homeland Security panel doesn’t even have the facts on an Islamic jihad incident that just happened a few months ago on U.S. soil, it is downright frightening.
Not to mention is lame suggestion that Google and YouTube are “helping” in the fight against Islamic jihadists. Nothing could be furhter from the truth Joe.
He is clueless.
“Your rush to judgement…”
There is no rush to judgment. On the contrary—we are witnessing a widespread rush to avoid inconvenient facts. The evidence is beyond dispute that Major Malik Hasan embraces an extremist interpretation of Islam. Moreover, this is obviously the number one reason why he murdered thirteen fellow members of the U.S. Army. The only remaining legitimate question concerns his sanity. But even if Hasan is nuttier than a fruitcake, he is still primarily motivated by Islamic radicalism.
Army Chief of Staff General George Casey represents the extent of political correctness within the military. He has made a fool of himself. Casey may also be responsible for the anti-gun foolishness that left last week’s victims defenseless. This country is experiencing an awful crisis. Someone as childishly naive as Casey should not hold a top command position. The general is too intellectually immature to be taken seriously. Only elected Republican officials might be able to save the day. The majority of Democrats are just idiots when it comes to national defense issues. Well, elections matter. We can hope that the majority of our nation’s voters have seen the light, and will cease fooling around on Election Day.
Maybe being Moslem is a form of mental illness.
Really, let’s not unleash of wave of “Islamophobia”. I shudder to think how bad Muslims will feel if we denigrate their religion on blogs and opinion columns – just because another group of Americans have been murdered in the name of Islam.
It’s a shame a bunch of our soldiers are dead, but that is certainly better than hurting anyone’s feelings because we aren’t diverse enough. I’m sure the grieving families will be comforted by General Casey’s comments. Thank God we have warriors like him in charge during these dangerous times.
“Really, let’s not unleash of wave of “Islamophobia”.
Are you trying to be ironic? First of all, one is not being anti-German if they criticize Nazism. They are also not indulging in anti-Islamic bigotry by taking to task those who advocate an extremist interpretation of this religious tradition. General Casey is a just a political correct fool. Is it also possible that the majority of today’s recently graduated military officers hold similar nonsensical views? If so, we are in serious jeopardy.
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Maybe Christianity is a mental illness. In the case of Charles Manson it is ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helter_Skelter_(Manson_scenario) )
But Christianity is not a mental illness. It’s ridiculous to think that. Just like it’s ridiculous to think Islam is.
As regards criticism of other people’s religions, these Muslim extremists and fellow travelers can sure dish it out…
…but they can’t take even an eensy weensy bit.
What are we afraid of? Are we afraid of launching a war of civilizations? They already started it. Are we afraid of launching a religious war? They already restarted the one from centuries ago. Are we afraid of looking intolerant? Right now we look weak and that just encourages them to more outrageous actions. They already hate us as infidels.
I should also mention that Hitler’s representatives in the United States also employed the victim card. Any criticism of Nazism was immediately attacked as per se anti-German. One would be well advised to read, The Third Reich in the Ivory Tower: Complicity and Conflict on American Campuses, by Stephen H. Norwood. Today’s Islamic extremists have made good use of these dishonest tactics.
Yes David – that was sacrasm. General Casey is a politican, not a warrior – regardless of what he did prior to his stars.
RULE #1: Islam is always right.
RULE #2: If Islam is ever wrong, see Rule #1.
I’d go with one rule if I had your intellectual obstacles.
Perhaps if they could prove he was associated with radical Muslim imams. Dang-it!
“They” have “proven” this, have “they”? What a fool, you are the perfect example of my point; only slightly dimmer than Radosh.
6. Jack in Silver Spring: “Maybe being Moslem is a form of mental illness.”
Ron, I think you’ve found your true audience.
I believe it is the Newsweek story where Hasan is referred to as the “alleged” shooter. Really? This shows how far stupidity gets you in the PC world.
It’s the Jihad, stupid!
Ron and anyone looking for scapegoats,
The problem with terrorism is not religion but the terrorists.
Not that long ago the ‘Christian’ terrorist organization the KKK was continuing a long reign of terror that included tens of thousands of assaults, rapes, and murders. Now does anyone here thing that the KKK is representative of Christianity in general; of course not. Does anyone here think that Christianity is evil; of course not. So if you accept that the problem with the KKK was the KKK, why don’t you accept that the problem with Al-Qaeda is Al-Qaeda?
The problem is NOT the religion. The problem is the terrorists.
As a relatively new commenter, I find it odd that various uniformly liberal commenters exhibit the following patterns:
1) they always disagree with the posts. Whereas most liberals (I should know, I used to be one and still remain one in various respects) have the occasional disagreement with liberal administrations, these commenters always, 100% agree. And the agreement is never nuanced; it’s always completey slavish.
2) they seem to have a lot of time on their hands. They appear to comment in most if not all PJM posts. Most of the conservative commenters here don’t have this much free time. Additionally, it’s even odder because the material is obviously not to the liberal commenters’ liking… and yet they still hang around so loyally. There are sites out there whose posts I almost always disagree with, and I could not imagine spending more than very occasional time there.
3) instead of simply substantively critiquing the material, these commenters often insult the columnists (such as #15 and others above). Alinsky Rule 13 anyone?
So yes — while I previously thought the idea of paying commenters was paranoid delusion, I think I’ve changed my mind.
“”"”"” 14. moho:
Perhaps if they could prove he was associated with radical Muslim imams. Dang-it!
“They” have “proven” this, have “they”? “”"”"”"
Actually, yes, it’s documented. More and more documented and documetable information on this guy keeps streaming in. Dr. Hasan left quite a paper trail regarding his views and associations, all of which make it very difficult NOT to equate his motivation to his extreme Islamist views.
Islam has a compatibility problem with western, pluralistic societies. A core tenet of Islam is to subdue and/or kill infidels. However, such actions tend to be a crime in the societies hosting Muslims. Thus, for Muslims to be true to their faith in societies where they are in the minority is to commit a crime. A small conundrum.
I worked with a Colonel who had been in Anbar and he told me he’d turn a captured Iraqi insurgent over to the Sheik and he’d sign a contract to go home and quit the insurgency and it almost always worked. A foreign insurgent was a different story and the Iraqi allies would just as soon shoot those, and my Colonel would have to protect them and put them in custody. Somehow I think Maj. Hasan’s fanatical Islam would have caused a similar reaction among Muslims he had been deployed to Iraq.
I was watching CNN a while back (Know your enemy) and they had a Muslim on. Not that they needed him because all the talk from the host was about the terrible PTSD problems our returning soldiers were having coming back from the wars. Especially because these particular wars (A result of Bush aggression)were so terrible.
I upsets me to see and hear talk about the Muslims. It wans’t the Muslims who shot shot them on Ft. Hood, but an individual who shot them. I wish those who think this way would stop and think before you act. Haven’t we been through enough, people it wasn’t religion that killed and injured them, it was a “MAN”. Lets get to the bottom of this, and support those going through this. It seems to me that you are more concerned about his religion rather than the WHY?
Even funnier is the description of the perp as ‘the alleged’ or ‘the suspected’ murderer. If the PC media are that cowed, craven and cowardly, they deserve to go bankrupt and shuffle off this mortal coil.
Our politically correct leadership; irredeemly stupid or criminally negligent, and no mister in between.
General Casey,
It is simple. Wash them all out.
“Islam’s a regiolion ah,religa,ah religion of peace!”. Did I get that right boys? “Can ah have ma hash now”?- George Bush former puppet of the globalist plutocracy,and signer otf the Mccain-Feingold censorship bill.Currently employed at: Camel Stables,Royal palace,Riyadh ,Saudi Arabia
Seriously, we need to become energy independent(let the Wahabbis eat their oil),pull out of the middle east,and NATO,drastically reduce Muslim immigration,and kill terrorists using hit teams and missiles,strictly on an “as needed” basis.
#15 BIBLIOT 44 You are right(for once) Islam is not a form of mental illness,liberalism(crypto stalinism )is.
Casey is a Bush in uniform.The filth won’t even face reality, lest he offend his master in the white house,and ruin his career.So what if more American soldiers are killed; I want to be head of the Joint lickspittles! Let’s agitate for concealed carry in all army bases!
It is actual strength of this country what leads to inclusion of all religions in all aspects of life. The issue here is of Majorty V. Minority. I bet if a Christian does something wrong in South India or South Korea-A similar fate by nut heads like you follows against all Christians! Look at the Fate of AMERICAN girl being tried for Murder in Italy? She became a Murderer without ever getting a chance of being an accused not because she was, but because she is white American and Europeans want a chance to get back at them. Now if you ever ever get out of your nest you will learn what I mean by that.
moho,
Only a fool would persist in dogged self-delusion the way you do. You are simply a coward you has realized that it’s safer to stand up for radical Islam because everyone else is too civilized to attack you. You get to feel smug and satisfied with your chicken sh*t sense of enlightenment while better men than you’ll ever be defend your right to be such a craven ass. Pull your head out of the sand and face reality. It’s quite refreshing. Gee if only there were some link between Islam and violence….
it’s obvious this guy is an Islamic fundamentalist. the act he perpetrated was terror. the reason he wasn’t outed years ago was that the Army apparently lives in fear of being politically incorrect.
just as yourself one question: if he’d been a Christian fundamentalist, would his religion be important to the MSM? you betcha.
and Casey with his comments about diversity being the true victim…godawful. this guy needs to fall on his sword, asap.
6. Jack in Silver Spring: “Maybe being Moslem is a form of mental illness.”
So you don’t think this is worth “moderating,” huh Ron? Hate speech just “too loosely defined” for you to make a judgment?
Like I said on another thread the reason for all the PC BS is really simple. Fear. Fear not of having your peers in the business think you are being harsh and judgemental but fear of having your limo blow up. Just wouldn’t do would it?
One other point – Islam is not a religion; it is a political movement parading around as a religion. I say that because its basic tenant is world conquest and death to anyone who stands in its way. Sounds a lot like Hitler’s dream except you have the “option” of opting in.
How absurd. You know the “truth” of the event as much as I do; that is, you don’t know anything. One account of the shooting by a witness says that he was silent when he started shooting. Your rush to judgement only indicates what a vested interest you have in portraying this in a certain light. moho
moho
Can you handle the truth?
Hasan over the weekend, note what he told a neighbor on the morning of the murders after handing her a Koran: “I’m going to do good work for God.” Hot Air
So mojo, is your god proud of your work today?
According to the news reports, there is a great deal of evidence of Hasan’s anti-American and radical Islamic beliefs, including his belief that the Iraq/Afghanistan wars were against the Islamic religion, he defended suicide bombings, etc.
Certainly, one can’t fall into the ‘Hasan as victim’ excuse. All psychiatrist deal with trauma; that’s their job and they don’t go out and commit mass murder.
As noted, one must suspect the Army of trying to ignore the warning signs, because of ‘political correctness’ and the fear of a complaint by Muslim Groups in the USA.
But, with a leftist administration in the White House, and particularly one which denies the reality of Islamic terrorism, this makes it even harder to deal with warning signs of trrorist fundamentalism.
I suspect that Obama will do his administrative best to deny the reality of this being a terrorist act; after all, he doesn’t want a terrorist act on His Watch. Remember, with Obama, it’s always about Him.
Hey Moho, you realize the CIA, DIA, and FBI crawled up your IP address a long time ago, right?
Smiles,
BBH
If it were only up to Muslim Obama, the female who shot Hasan would be tied for a hate crime and put in jail forever. What a change our country in experiencing!!!!
It’s a brand-new ballgame now. MSM ABC breaks the story proving that the righties are wrong about everything getting whitewashed, but that they were right about this being an act of terror…or close enough.
Now the pressure is on the army.
Let’s hope that Sarah’s Palin’s next Facebook page points out that we now have a Commander-in-Chief who values the sensibilities of radical Muslims over the lives of American soldiers. And let Beck and everyone else at Fox echo the sentiment repeatedly. And let’s hear what conclusions our soldiers are arriving at, regarding this incident and our Comander-in-Chief.
moho:
As our resident apostate Muslim, why don’t you provide a service and relate the different branches of Islam.
I happen to be familiar with, and recognize that it is the Sunni Wahabbi form as practiced in Saudi Arabia that is the source of much of the Jihadist terrorists here in the West, as well as the Persian Shi’a form.
If you don’t want to have the entirety of Islam blamed for the actions of a few,(and you shouldn’t), then help us all AND yourselves by identifying the sects that are the roots of the terrorist problem.
What do you owe the House of Saud? Or the Ayatollahs in Iran? Why would you give them cover at peril to yourselves?
You can serve as a latter-day Kit Carson Scout.
Christians and Jews have a kaleidoscopes of different sects, and we would well understand that it is largely the actions of a few cults that trouble us all so.
There’s no reason to suffer the obloquy meant for the evildoer, simply because he, too, faces Mecca to pray.
I would note that the kind of Wahabbist and Shi’a inspired Muslims who would conduct Jihad would show no qualms whatsoever about blowing holes in you and yours to get to me and mine.
That has certainly been their track record has it not?
Islamic jihadist terrorists have killed far more Muslims than they have any “Crusader”.
Greta Van Susteren of Fox News just interviewed a fellow student in Major Hasan’s class of a few years ago. The accused murderer openly, repeatedly, and unambiguously declared his commitment to Islamic extremism—in front of numerous people. It was common knowledge that he asserted his loyalty to Sharia law over the American Constitution. The higher ups at the school refused to intervene. This is truly shocking.
#34 Bilgeman,
Just curious; how did you know this about moho? What a perspective.
We are going to construct this insane asylum on your street. We will allow some inmates out to walk in your neighborhood for exercise. Our records show that not all that many of our inmates murder people when out walking. Don’t judge the many by the few.
“Greta Van Susteren of Fox News just interviewed a fellow student in Major Hasan’s class of a few years ago. The accused murderer openly, repeatedly, and unambiguously declared his commitment to Islamic extremism—in front of numerous people. It was common knowledge that he asserted his loyalty to Sharia law over the American Constitution. The higher ups at the school refused to intervene. This is truly shocking.”
Yes, it is–if the Army is not free of this, which of our institutions can be? And, obviously, things were no better under Bush. We’ve been infected from the beginning, and thoroughly–as the mock headline has it, “Muslims Fear Backlash from Attack to Take Place Next Week” and we fear right along with them, ignoring the knowledge of the coming attack. Right now, in many ways we are at the nadir of American history. We must try to take back our government from those who currently control it in the name of the Global Intifada, but we should also start to think about ways of preserving freedom, and even the memory of freedom, that don’t depend upon Republicans being willing to stand forthrightly for the truth.
“Quite why he might have done this remains unclear” – - sound familiar? No, it’s not a reflection on Hasan’s jihad . . .but in UK’s the Daily Mail snippet revealing details of the beltway sniper’s unknowable motive – unknowable even up to the final hours before his execution. “As an army sergeant, Muhammad was posted to Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War.
A combat engineer, he specialised in explosives and demolition. During his tour of duty, however, he was accused of deliberately setting off an explosive device in his tent, in what appeared to be an attempt to murder his colleagues and commit suicide.
Quite why he might have done this remains unclear”
Read more: here
Isn’t this the kind of thing that never happened again under ‘W’s watch after 9/11? Just saying’
Thanks for not posting my comment. I guess Christian comments aren’t wanted, how about if I tell you its a rewrite from an Islamist site.
ie. Innovative plan on behalf of Islam
http://www.islamic-world.net/plan.php
“We would like to introduce an innovative plan on behalf of Islam. It is called Islamic World, and it is a concept rather than an organization. We accept that there is no path to a right and just world but Islam, therefore we want to do our utmost to bring rightly guided committed belief and dedicated practice of Islam back into every aspect of life for all members of the Muslim ummah; and, to make Islam both acceptable and attractive to non-Muslims. While many of our pious brothers and sisters are attempting, both as individuals and within organizations, to achieve this same worthy goal we will be using a new approach. We will be using powerful innovative techniques of social influence and sophisticated modern information technology to effectively disseminate the knowledge of Islam and to unite the Muslim ummah. Our ultimate goal is a truly and fully, united Islamic world…”
Sounds reasonable yes? it’s the most reasonable plan I have seen on the internet. Too controversial if Christians say it?
(rewritten with Christian instead of Islam)
We would like to introduce an innovative plan on behalf of Christianity. It is called Christian World, and it is a concept rather than an organization. We accept that there is no path to a right and just world but Christianity, therefore we want to do our utmost to bring rightly guided committed belief and dedicated practice of Christianity back into every aspect of life for all members of the Christian community of believers and, to make Christianity both acceptable and attractive to non-Christians. While many of our pious brothers and sisters are attempting, both as individuals and within organizations, to achieve this same worthy goal we will be using a new approach. We will be using powerful innovative techniques of social influence and sophisticated modern information technology to effectively disseminate the knowledge of Christianity and to unite the Christian community of believers. Our ultimate goal is a truly and fully, united Christian world.
#36 bill:
“Just curious; how did you know this about moho? What a perspective.”
He claimed to be a “non-observant Muslim” on another thread.
I have no qualms whatsoever if he chooses to not to practice, but his erstwhile co-Muslims…well, some of them would have a REAL problem with that.
At any rate, he can give a valuable first-hand “inside baseball” account of what the Dar al-Islam is like.
Islam is far from being a monolithic faith, in fact it is likely riven with dissension and heresy and sects and cults as Christianity and Judaism are.
“And, obviously, things were no better under Bush.”
That’s right. George W. Bush is a politically correct whack job. Obama is in many respects—Bush on steroids regarding both economic matters and race guilt politics.
The murder of these thirteen soldiers is dramatically changing our culture. Many Americans are relatively indifferent toward politics. They might vote Republican, cast their ballot for Democratic Party candidates—or simply stay home and say the hell with it. Their attitude is often “What the heck.” These folks have had their minds blown. They are stunned to find out that the U.S. Army allowed Major Hasan to get away with spouting outright treasonous rhetoric. This was not supposed to happen. Somebody will pay a severe price, and it won’t be conservative Republicans.
Fort Hood is just one more example why PC needs to be flushed. Muslim immigrants as a group? On the good side we have carpets, hummus, some really cool interior designs, the Taj Mahal and fantastic horses. On the bad side we have an epic failure to fit in like all other immigrant groups; honour killings and terrorist attacks. I had worked very amicably with Sunni and Shi’a Muslims in India, SE Asia and Canada before 9/11 and was hazily benign towards Islam. 9/11 changed the world for me and showed me a people who, constantly, fail mightily to contribute to human endeavour. Right now Muslims in the West stack up as a collective minus.
That is sad.
Just read some disgusting spin in the NYT about how the long history of violence at Fort Hood. They chronicle domestic violence and suicides. That is all very tragic, but THIS IS NOT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE! IT IS A TERRORIST ATTACK! Trouble is, our President is PC, our Director of Homeland Security is PC, the military appears to be shockingly PC, and of course there’s the media. What to do?
You get to feel smug and satisfied with your chicken sh*t sense of enlightenment while better men than you’ll ever be defend your right to be such a craven ass. Pull your head out of the sand and face reality. It’s quite refreshing. Gee if only there were some link between Islam and violence….
Trust me, if someone like you thought I was brave, I’d immediately stop whatever I was doing to earn the praise. Seriously, a person like you has absolutely no credibility in using such words as bravery or cowardice. You little chicken hawks are the greatest cowards the world has ever known, pissing themselves at their own shadow.
Hey Moho, you realize the CIA, DIA, and FBI crawled up your IP address a long time ago, right?
Would you like a knight-stick to fellate, you little authority worshiping slug.
If you don’t want to have the entirety of Islam blamed for the actions of a few,(and you shouldn’t), then help us all AND yourselves by identifying the sects that are the roots of the terrorist problem.
Well, Bilgeman, if I was a coward of your stature, I suppose I’d ask daddy, I mean the FBI, to lock us all up, just in case. After all, we don’t want you pissing your pants in fear every time you go to feed your fat face at Burger King.
Islam is far from being a monolithic faith, in fact it is likely riven with dissension and heresy and sects and cults as Christianity and Judaism are.
LOL, what’s your point? The vast majority of wahhabists never commit crimes of any kind. Under this thinking, all the members of the KKK should be locked up, as well as Operation Rescue. You idiots don’t know what you’re asking for, and you won’t realize it until the powers you’ve given your nanny state are eventually used on low-functioning white people. And if you ask me, it would almost be worth it to watch you sobbing about how your civil rights are being violated when you’re such an obvious danger to our country.
As I said earlier, I’ve lived in two Islamic countries and no one ever so much as gave a micro-sh%^t about how observant I was.
I’ve got think 13 families aren’t amused by all of this PC bullshit. I hope this guy fries for this terrorist act of treason. I know, let’s invite the Major and one of his victims to have a beer with Boobily and good ol’ Joe and have another teaching moment for America. Sheesh.
moho
waaaaaahh!
Geez; don’t fulfill any stereotypes or anything. The KKK has already been marginalized by decent White folk. Why don’t you do the same to your malcontents? Go ahead. Have a march for civilized Islam on a college campus. Protest the hate-speech from Islamofascists. We’ll see whose low-functioning.
15. biblio44:
6. Jack in Silver Spring: “Maybe being Moslem is a form of mental illness.”
Ron, I think you’ve found your true audience.
I’m quite sure, biblio, if this was a thread on belief vs athiesm and someone said something like “maybe belief in supernatural deities is a form of mental illness” you would not object.
You don’t mind when bible thumping Christians or religious Jewish settlers are disparaged, but you are oh so sensitive for the feelings of Muslims.
First of all, you guys are surely Jews. I am a proud PALESTINIAN AMERICAN which loves the United States the most of all. I wish that I was part of the Revolutionary War against England. I want to say that you should never BE RACIST. Here you are clearly being racist making fun of MUSLIMS. A few acts made by A MUSLIM TERRORIST should not mean that all the other Muslims should be blamed. I myself hate this terrorist more than you, and I feel sad for the families that have lost soldiers.
MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS, HINDUS, BUDDHISTS, and all other religions should be together. We must leave the bad past behind us and start thinking about more important problems, such as being Green. We should all work together to get rid of the Taliban, and all other terrorists.
Terrible Terror, Terrible Terrorist: Part One
Though it was in full swing prior to 9/11/2001, few Americans paid much attention to the reality of terroristic activity around the globe.
In the intervening 8 years, after a flurry of outrage and alarm, and two ongoing wars, many of us–too many of us–have retreated into a comfortable cocoon of terrorism-denial.
With mushrooming unemployment and with so many other personal and domestic problems on our plates, why bother worrying ourselves over something we can’t individually do anything about?
That denial, that gut refusal to come to terms with the truth that America is engaged in a worldwide struggle against the Islamic jihad, is almost as dangerous as the terrorism itself.
One individual who has adopted a blase’ demeanor toward the all-important issue is our terrorism-averse president who also happens to be the Commander-in-Chief of our armed forces, our chief line of defense from enemy attack.
Obama campaigned against the Iraq War, banned “harsh” interrogation techniques to elicit life-saving information from prisoners, promised to shutter GITMO, and banned the use of the term War on Terror.
Mr. President, point of information: Ignoring the threat of continuing terrorism and, worse, minimizing it to the point of absurdity, won’t make it go away.
I’ve long suspected the motivations of President Obama . . .
(Read the rest at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=
Politically correct Democrats and “moderate” Republicans are going to wish that Major Hasan was dead. That he remains alive—and there will be a military court martial proceeding is a total disaster for the politically correct establishment. This is a total mess. The near future court case will cruelly remind the normally politically indifferent that things are somewhat out of control. Those perceived to be responsible will pay an awful price.
Moho’s working out his guilt for being a non-observant Muslim by defending the Ummah’s interests online. This way he can enjoy his alcohol and still get to hate the infidels.
Casey was in command in Iraq while the situation deteriorated. He was replaced by Petraeus, and named Chief of Staff by…George W. Bush.
41@westerncanadian:
>”9/11 changed the world for me and showed me a
>people who, constantly, fail mightily to contribute
>to human endeavor. Right now Muslims in the West
>stack up as a collective minus.”
What is the connection between 9/11 and Islam? You DO realize commercial aircraft are designed for remote flying these days, do you? You DO realize that Boeing documentation shows that in fact, the 757/767 flight computer has nearly all of the required remote flight capabilities as standard equipment, including guidance, communications, GPS navigation, and traffic control functions? You DO realize that an Arab who flunked a Cessna flight test can’t do an elaborate crack pilot complex maneuver in a 767, right? You DO realize that Air Force in Nevada are remote flying drones in Pakistan regularly? You DO realize Osama disavowed any responsibility for 911? You DO realize the FBI never put Osama on the most wanted list for 911, do you? You DO realize the State Department disavowed any connection between 911 and Iraq?
The FBI confirmed in a recent statement (July 2006) that “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on the Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because “the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” Actually he was still employed by the CIA on Sep 11, 2001. So what exactly is your grievance? Sour grapes?
“But, because the soldier who was quickly identified as the gunman had a name that led to the presumption that he was Muslim, the incident inspired an all-too-predictable explosion of Islamophobia.”–Nitwits at the Nation
Well, that’s because the guy is a Muslim, and Muslims do that kind of thing pretty frequently, as that big old hole in NYC testiifes to.
This kind of a thing (violence and murder) is a problem with some groups and not with others. It’s a problem with Muslims, it’s not a problem with Quakers. The difference in the behavior of the two groups is because of the ideology that the groups subscribe to, which most people don’t have too much trouble picking up on, hence there is some Islamophobia, and not too much Quakerphobia.
Sorry, if tender-hearted lefties have trouble dealing with that little fact about their Muslim pals and the ideology they espouse, but that’s the way it is, so you probably need to learn to deal with it, and spare us your phony angst.
It’s boring, it’s tedious, and also stupid as hell.
I would say shmoho revealed himself with his response to bilgeman except that most of us already knew what an ignorant turd he is. Bilge gave him every chance for a thoughtful response but of course shmo didn’t take it. His knee doesn’t jerk that way.
52@Dave Surls:
“Well, that’s because the guy is a Muslim, and Muslims do that kind of thing pretty frequently, as that big old hole in NYC testiifes to.”
And the connection with WTC is? I see you’re comfortable with the million Iraqis you christians murdered in Iraq for no reason. You are smug with murdering with because the bodies were far away. That seems to be a christian habit. You’re no Quaker.
If any of you had served a day in an Army you would know better.
General Casey had to say what he said.
An Army survives solely on discipline and order. Immediate and unquestioning obedience to authority, regardless of personal regard is paramount, especially in a time of war. Anything short of that is not just disastrous for unit cohesion, it seriously undermines the effectiveness of an Army.
For General Casey to in any way fuel anti-Muslim sentiment within the ranks would immediately undermine the authority of Muslim officers of all ranks, who have done nothing other than serve their country with honor. This would without question be the biggest victory the Islamists could ever hope to achieve, to use one man to undermine the unit cohesiveness ad fighting effectiveness of multiple units across the Army spectrum.
Nidal (He no longer deserves the title Major) will more than likely face a military tribunal where he will more than likely face the death penalty. I also have faith in the Army (far more than our government) to be more accurate in screening and evaluating it’s soldiers. General Casey no doubt knows all this.
“he is still primarily motivated by Islamic radicalism.”
Islamic Radicalism. What an interesting statement.
Wasn’t that long ago when a so-called Christian shot and killed a Doctor outside an abortion clinic. There were more than one news journalist proclaiming these hateful Christians to be the problem.
One Muslim kills 13 people and the news media jumps on this saying, don’t blame his Muslim faith. Be careful there. We must be respectful of the Muslim faith.
But, the news media is not guilty of a double standard, are they?
You all have missed this for months now:
Moho = Homo…Duh!!!!
This morning, before reading this article I emailed my admiration of Joe Lieberman to my family in Connecticut. I said “Finally a US Senator has the cajones to call a spade a spade. For the first time in my life a politician from our state has made me proud to be a Connecticut Yankee.” Keep on truckin’ Ron. You always get to the heart of the matter.
So let’s see how the freedoms of religion, right to free speech, and right to bear arms bear up under the wrath which is upon us. We can sputter and bluster, but what ACTIONS should be taken? Maybe no actions have to be taken, but we can all chant together:”Islam sucks,” and we can all feel better without abridging any of our rights…or changing anything.
And as we all know, Muslims NEVER kill fellow Muslims, right?
To bill @ #26:
In case you haven’t already been informed. Moho isn’t so much afraid of the radical Islamists as he/she/it is an admitted member of said group. Given a choice, moho would likely have been standing right there alongside Hasan.
You’re just better off ignoring his/her/its posts and move on to the next.
36. bill asked:
#34 Bilgeman,
Just curious; how did you know this about moho? What a perspective.
Peter writes: Because he/she/it admitted as much on a thread last week.
39. Bilgeman:
‘He claimed to be a “non-observant Muslim” on another thread.’
He’ll claim to be a “non-observant Muslim” until the Ft Hood terrorism fades back in the news and then claim something else.
Moho’s claims are nothing more than the usual tool’s attempt to assign his ‘I’m so smart’ fantasy credibility in his own mind. He has claimed that he has many ex-service members in his family, marines if memory serves, to assign authority to a non-sensical position he took in a previous discussion on the military. He has claimed that he has a son who has served or is serving in Irag in a discussion concerning deployment. He has claimed that he has many gay friends in a discussion concerning gays. And so on. All the resident experts in whatever fantasy construct he thinks will buttress his narrative agree with him. There’s never any depth or substance to the narrative and when called out by people who do understand the discussion at hand, he never even tries to defend his point.
One can be erudite yet extremely ignorant when it comes to making connections immediately obvious to people who aren’t ignorant. I think the only thing one can safely assume about moho is what common sense and experience tells us about him given the content of his comments and his stated reasons for commenting. He is a loser who has found a compatible forum – one that doesn’t ban him – where he can project his pitiable self image onto others.
One can also be erudite without owning more competence than it takes to be a bag boy at the market.
I suspect Moho is neither an apostate, nor a non-practicing Moslem.
Moho is an Islamic troll.
Moho = Chameleon + troll. ‘nugh said. Whether he’s a paid agent or just an activist vol – all his many posts on PJM reek in a similar vein – although I don’t understand why his responses weren’t moderated.
Again Ron Radash raises some important points. Other than a couple of high profile incidents of violence against muslims (one in a Phoenix suburb right after 9/11 – where a Seik store clerk was murdered)I don’t recall any such vigilantism errupting.
Yet it has become a reflex action on the part of public officals to respond in a General Casey manner – Bush and his officals did it and now Obama and his crew invoke it as well.
Well we are approaching ten post 9/11 and things are different. If the atrocities @ Ft. Hood can’t usher in a new degree of scrutiny and behavior as Radash observes – then what will?
Worse is the way the media is attempting to conflate the needs of those who’ve served when soft-peddling Hasan as mentally ill. The most disgusting example was a MSNBC news segment that interviewed a ‘recovering serviceman’ suffering post-stress – and this serviceman’s assertion that Hasans time spent absorbing the emotional baggage of those he served as partly explaining his actions.
Besides dubious reporting that elevates a self-acknowleged recovering Post-Stress outpatient as a reliable source – (would it even be conceivable for such an interview if this was a civilian tragedy?) why has there been so few voices within the military or at least the retired military echoing the kinds of concerns voiced here on PJM?
I find these questions almost as disturbing as the incident itself.
Whatever the fine points of why this Islamic murderer did his nasty deed, the essence of the matter is that once again the US Army screwed up big time, and continues to do so.
You really have to wonder about a group of people who follow a “religion” founded by a pedophile (that would be the demon-possessed “prophet” Muhammad.)
Accusing a prophet of being a pedophile sounds outrageous. Yet the evidence is undeniable:
Tabari IX:128 “When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation.” This is how it happened: Tabari IX:131 “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.”
Given a choice, I believe most people would prefer to get their spiritual inspiration from someone who wasn’t a sexual predator.
Now that it’s coming out about this guy being investigated in 2008, how long will it be before someone finds out that when the Obama gang of thugs got in office, they put this guy on the transition team and halted further investigation of him? The way everyone in the administration is dancing around the issue makes it look to me like there’s more than meets the eye in this. Obama would love a national disaster to look presidential and garner some of that waning support from his own democrat party, but when there’s a terrorist incident, he shows his true colors and ignores it. That means that his staff probably wants him as far away from this as possible even if it makes him look bad.
I suspect that before long there will be some direct connections between Obama or Obama insiders with this guy. The dinosaur media, of course, will just ask questions like, “it isn’t illegal to consort with Muslim terrorists is it?”, and then sneak away to work off that tingle they get up their leg whenever “the One” smiles at them.
Regards
–Yet Nichols is sure that his action “might well be the latest in a series of stress-related homicides and suicides involving soldiers who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan,” or who are dispatched to what Nichols terms “occupied lands.”–
Interesting.
How many of the perpatrators of the above mentioned Suicides and Homocides were patients of Major Hasan?
Will anyone ask such a question?
jd
#58 Commuter:
“I think the only thing one can safely assume about moho is what common sense and experience tells us about him given the content of his comments and his stated reasons for commenting. He is a loser who has found a compatible forum – one that doesn’t ban him – where he can project his pitiable self image onto others.”
Aye, likely so.
Don’t you just love the intertoobs, though? you can simply scroll right past them or read their yammering for a good hoot, while in meatspace you’d have to take the trouble to smack them with a stick or walk away yourself.
moho’s responses to me showed that he shares something else that seems to be endemic among Muslim males:
D!ck issues.
I mean look at the lump of pig dung Major Hassan…a college-educated MD with a career, presumably HIV- and undoubtedly some “bank”, but STILL he had to advertise on the “Matchmaker Mullah’s Lonely Hearts Club” for some fuzzy mohgambo.
Of course, literally following Islamic doctrine and Shar’ia law, which enshrines a 7th century Arabian Bedouin tribal culture, would be almost a “How To-” guide for turning out somewhat inbred violent social retards whose favored heterosexual non-consanguinous relationships would be via gang-rapes, interspersed with the shameful addiction to furtive homosexual buggery of each other.
Does that about describe your inner social life there, moho. you deviant Wahabbi mongoloid?
39. D’oh!: “Isn’t this the kind of thing that never happened again under ‘W’s watch after 9/11?”
Not quite. It happened among our troops in Iraq after the invasion. And it’s too bad that it took 9/11 to wake Bush up to the fact that his duties included more than tax-cutting.
Bilgeman…after that, I am speachless..and in awe.!! Too funny. deviant mongoloids indeed & agreed.
1972 Munich – Palestinians Murder Israeli Olympic athletes. We had no muslims in North America at the time..Oh yea there were 6.
2009 a muslim Major in the US army murders 13 people inside one of the largest US Military bases.
They have come a long way and now have infiltrated every segment of our society .. both in the US and Canada and while doing so used our propensity for political correctness such that we are AFRAID to say shit about them…what utter garbage.!!
Next: The next part of the Global Domination Plan is to beat us at the polls by out birthing us.
think about it.
What I find interesting is this…does a person that lived in Muslim countries return to the US under duress?
Why, if it was such a paradise there…and such a horrible place with such horrible people here…would a person willingly return?
And, to top it off…instead of conversing with the enjoyable experience of like minds, spend one’s day (after day, after day, after day)…hurling insults like a drunken frat boy in a food fight?
The personality type that it would take to wake up every morning and say to oneself, “I’m going to spend my time today as a sniveling sychophant for a mass murderer, and as a groveling toady for an insane sect of genocidal miscreants.”
“And I am going to select a website of their countrymen…to rub their noses in it. I’m not a coward hiding behind a keyboard, but a rather brave non-observant Muslim who brings pride to the Koran by infusing it with my personal style of being an unlikeable jerk.”
Who does those things? And what do they do with the rest of their lives…other than come back to this country and spew hatred of it?
well, this victim protected class can commit murder and it is still a protected victim class. what is it going to take for the media and all the other PC apologists to finally admit what most of us see very clearly? this was a terrorist act.
Score one for the good guys!
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-11-10-sniper_N.htm
John Allen Muhammad, another murderous homo Muslim with d1ck issues, was put down at the Commonwealth of Virginia Man-Pound not 30 minutes ago.
Woot!
I do hope that that prison bull I paid remembered to smear Muhammad a “Dirty Sanchez” after he was strapped down and before they spiked him.
Just a little personal, “sayonara, b!tch!”, from your ole buddy Bilgeman.
And….Happy Birthday, Marines!
65@Bilgeman:
>almost a “How To-” guide for turning out somewhat
>inbred violent social retards whose favored
>heterosexual non-consanguinous relationships would
>be via gang-rapes, interspersed with the shameful
>addiction to furtive homosexual buggery of each
>other.
You just described the republican party! Thirty US Senators legalized gangrape last month. Torture was legalized under Bush. This is merely an everyday, ordinary event for republicans. No different than cruising for some chocolate dip in a public restroom stall, or bombing some defenseless small country into oblivion.
The First Amendment to our Constitution guarantees the freedom of religion. You can be a Christian, a Jew, an athiest, and yes, you can be a Muslim. However, you do not have the right to collaborate with the enemy. Article 3, Section 3 of the US Constitution defines treason as “Adhering to the enemy, or giving them aid and comfort.” Hasan had already committed this crime long before he committed the murders. He should have been court-martialed for treason long before he acted upon his evil thoughts, and if found guilty, he should have been given the death penalty. I say the real crime here is political correctness. Anybody who is politically correct is a traitor! General Casey, you are a coward, you are a disgrace to the uniform! Enough of this “diversity” crap! You commie libs can take your political correctness and shove it up your ass! To quote Patrick Henry; “I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
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