Towards a More Effective Conservatism
It is no secret that the Republican Party and the conservative movement have been floundering since their trouncing in the last election. But, in the past few days some conservative posts and the formation of a new group indicate that a more nuanced conservatism may be emerging from the ashes.
First, I recommend reading David Horowitz’s essay today on Frontpagemag.com, in which he comments on “Obama Derangement Syndrome,” and warns conservatives on replicating the kind of virulent Bush hatred that spewed forth from the mouths of liberals during the past eight years. As Horowitz points out, in foreign policy at least, Obama is carrying out the Bush policies in both Iraq and Afghanistan. In Iran, he has made it clear during the past few days, through both Richard Holbrooke and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, that sanctions against Iran will be increased, and that negotiations in a meaningful sense will not take place. “We are not,” Horowitz writes, “witnessing the coming of the anti-Christ.”
Writing in The National Post of Canada, David Frum continues to explain how and why he differs from Rush Limbaugh, and to delineate the nature of the conservatism he thinks can have a broad appeal and continue to grow. Denying that he has become a “mushy moderate,” as one of his friends wrote about him, Frum argues that conservatives have to do more than denounce the policies of the Bush years in favor of a supposedly pure philosophical conservatism. This does not mean that he will cease to criticize the current administration for its “reckless spending and destructive taxation.”
According to Frum, conservatives are “bereft of answers for the economic challenges of the 21st century.” And more to the point, this situation seemed to not worry many of his conservative friends and colleagues. He believes that conservatives have to move beyond the old cultural warfare battles of the past and present policies that appeal and make sense to the majority of the American people. And this means accepting some of the major changes in the nation on cultural issues—such as ending opposition to stem cell research, gay rights, and concerns about the environment.
Finally, a new organization in the realm of foreign policy has been created by William Kristol, Robert Kagan and Dan Senor. Called “The Foreign Policy Initiative,” the group bases itself on the principle that “The United States cannot afford to turn our back on its international commitments and allies.” The organization is non-partisan and welcomes the support of all who want our country not to retreat to isolationism and who want to work to defeat rogue regimes that threaten America’s national security.
It is clear from the phrasing of their mission statement that the Initiative wants the support of both Democrats and Republicans, virtually anyone who recognizes the need to support human rights abroad, a strong military and defense budget, and international economic engagement.
The group’s first event, to be held tomorrow (March 31st) is on the war in Afghanistan, and features Rep. Jane Harman, a Democrat from California, and Rep. John M. McHugh, a Republican from New York, both of whom will talk about the view of Afghanistan from the House of Representatives. The impressive roster of participants ends with a plenary discussion of the issues with Sen. John McCain, moderated by Robert Kagan.
Already, the new group has received a somewhat skeptical welcome from the writer and former liberal hawk, George Packer on his New Yorker blog. Calling his column “Kinder, Gentler Neo-Cons,” he writes: Its leaders are in favor of international engagement, human rights, and strong alliances. They are against isolationism and retreat. So am I!” He is relieved that they do not talk about “benevolent global hegemony” or “a new American century.” In other words, Packer sees the announcement as something other than a recreation of the old Committee on The Present Danger of the Reagan era. He hopes this marks a “recent chastening,” although he is a bit worried that the group might not be an important effort to have a “constructive and nonpartisan effort to keep America engaged around the world.” He has a slight fear that it could evolve into a “stick with which to beat the new Democratic administration for its craven appeasement of evil.”
Judging from the announced Afghanistan meeting, Packer has little to worry about. The Initiative seems to fit into the paradigm David Horowitz proposes, in which conservatives will work for bi-partisan unity on behalf of a sound foreign policy, and will support and encourage the Administration when it is on the right track. That does not mean one should not oppose policy when it clearly is getting off on the wrong track. But as of now, President Obama seems to be ignoring the “realists” who are arguing against a policy based on principles that both people like George Packer and William Kristol seem to agree on.






I have already David Horowitz’s article—and he is describing a phenomenon involving marginalized ultra-right wing individuals. There are no zero center-right thinkers who are indulging in vicious Obama hating. They are all careful and nuanced and more than willing to compliment the president when he does something right in Iraq or Afghanistan. David Frum is basically a non-entity who has few followers. His wishy-washy conservativism is going nowhere fast. I read Frum’s last book and was not at all impressed. Rush Limbaugh is truly a mainstream conservative and more than able to persuade middle of the road Americans to embrace his principles and ideas.
Message to Ron Radosh: stop deceiving yourself that the cultural conservatives are going to disappear into the night and be replaced by more “moderate” Republicans. This daydreaming is just wasting a lot of time. They are here to stay. Live with it. Our host truly should spend some time listening to Limbaugh. The famous radio talk show host is a real leader and it is best that one possesses first hand understanding of the man. The second hand distorters are merely confusing the uninitiated. Radosh also needs to put to the side the economic writings of John Kenneth Galbraith and immediately start reading the writings of Ludwig Von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, and Milton Friedman. He didn’t even mention Obama’s firing of the General Motors CEO. It is most peculiar. This action cannot be ignored. It literally threatens the very foundations of our country.
Agreed. The phenomenon of Bush Derangement Syndrome was so over the top that we’re left with continual rumblings from the Leahy-ites with talk of “truth commissions”, leading me to believe they would prefer to convert Guantanamo into our own St. Helena to exile our previous administrations.
It’s ugly, petty and should be below us to choose the same path of unfounded rhetoric and populism.
Exactly. When we on the right hear the left’s personal nastiness about Bush, we just tune it out. As far as we’re concerned, it makes THEM look stupid. Our personal attacks on Obama have the same effect — none; or worse. The tune us out.
Much better for us to say, Obama is a nice, well meaning young man — who unfortunately does not understand that freedom and supply and demand make an economy work. His IDEAS are stupid. Lets attack those.
Love David Horowitz but he’s wrong, wrong, wrong (and so are you Ron).
It remains to be seen if Obama is really going to go after terrorists.
It remains to be seen if Obama is really going to go after terrorists.
What we do know is that he is dismantling the United States of America. He is invading every part of OUR LIVES. He is firing people in private businesses, to going after private citizens home gardens.
Do not say that I need to watch out for some vicious syndrome that is like the looney left. We conservatives are actually the only ones smart enough to defend our freedom from Obama the tyrant.
Your piece here is more of the “McCain let’s just get along and show we are like democrats because we want to be loved by the media” syndrome.
It is no secret that the Republican Party and the conservative movement have been floundering
Could it be because the Republican party is no longer a party of Conservatives? The USA was founded on Conservative Christian principles and to survive as a nation, it must return to those principles. Bring back the right of secession perhaps? If that is what it takes. We can form our own Conservative Union. While that may seem to be a “radical” approach to some, it would certainly show the difference between our societies and success stories. The Free State Project may have faded off into the night somewhere, but they were definitely on to something. Now if we could find a way to organize and coordinate True Conservatives, we may have that chance of success but until then, following the middle of the road in politics just puts you in a position to get run over by traffic going both ways. We need to quit being the silent party and begin finding a way to make our voices heard as one United and Conservative voice.
Just my two cents
No offense, but Frum has really been off. So Thomas Sowell has no answers for the economic challenges of the 12st Century?! I think we need to redefine Obama Derangement Syndrome:a unique ability to ignore reality. If it walks like a socialist, talks like a socialist, it is a socialist. Or as the president himself said, “You can put lipstick on a pig, but its still a pig.”
Yes, the president kept Secretary Gates, but I would argue that this is more a result of his weak leadership. Weak leadership leads to inconsistent actions, and that is the President.
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Hmm. I just cannot seem to be able to find one, singularly complimentary thing about 0bama to like or even tolerate. I guess I have got it [ODS] bad.
Delia,
I suspect there will be a lot of hair-splitting done on the basis of Horowitz’s screed. My take is that a lot of people either hate Obama now or will come to hate him in the course of his presidency.
..actually, I guess the term might be very well intensely dislike because hatred might mean people who would break out in the right-wing equivalent to “BushHitler” epithets or tne “Bush lied and people died” rants.
But I personally feel that, while we should restrain ourselves (spare me stuff like the giant paper mache heads of Cheney and Bush and Rumsfield during parades or clumsy and vicious humor like Bill Marr’s), we should let those who love the Dear Leader know that there is a seething undercurrent of intense dislike for this arrogant, egotistical, vapid, empty suit who presumes to serve as POTUS while running our economy and country into the ground.
To do less would send a message that we are no more than the emasculated GOP members of congress who wish to play footsie and not stand up for conservative beliefs.
..by the way, anyone know if Obama and Geitner have filled all of the jobs at Treasury yet?
(Serious question.)
I don’t really care what the loser leftists think of me, and I have no intention of trying to make sure I don’t offend them or put them off. I’m tired of seeing the Constitution compromised and our liberties slowly taken away down the road to socialism and/or communism, whether it’s him or Bush doing it.
Obama sucks.
It is incumbent upon “conservatives” (hate labels and categories) to remember the best of America that seems to be getting trashed ‘neath the boots of “progressives” and sundry yellers and screamers in our times.
John McCain seemed willing, for purposes of pragmatism and/or winning, to throw some of those under the bus, in much the same way that Barack Obama (haha) threw grandma under the bus to score some stupid point about racism.
It’s dollars to donuts that our Founders wouldn’t recognize the quagmire of moral relativism that seems to hold sway in these United States today.
The writers of the founding documents of the Republic never envisioned, in their wildest nightmares, that the Republic could sink so low as to occupy itself with such matters as “gay marriage” (even abortion) in the public sphere. Or imagine that a sitting US Congressman could call a SC Justice a “homophobe” for making the simple and obvious observation that marriage isn’t addressed in the US Constitution.
I will never join any movement that says we have to bend and sway to all these new fangled movements. It’s tantamount to Anthony Kennedy and other self-designated “enlightened” on the Supreme Court looking to Europe for direction in their rulings instead of doing their single and only job of looking to the United States Constitution.
Delia, I totally agree with you.I can find nothing in Obama, his administration, congress or thr main stream media that I do not hate, I guess I got “ODS” too.
OK, I’ve read it.
But I will still contend extreme leftist commentary in this country’s major media have sounded extreme for so many years, we don’t even flinch at it anymore.
The right doesn’t treat the left even close to the way they have treated the right — compare Bill Mahr, Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman, R. Maddow, John Stewart (where apparently most young people get their news). PBS and NPR spewing the same rhetoric, but just in a calm quite creepy way. And they all have the excellent skills of lying by omission. Rush (if one thinks he falls into the OBS category) is nothing compared to the condescension and offensive behavior of these people — yet they are the status quo in political commentary.
Oh, the right has O’Reilly. Really? A conservative he is not, all over the map. Hannity always seems to miss the best part of an argument. Glenn Beck, he’s not offensive, just really wildly excitable. All total when you add up the damage, they just don’t come close to the “derangement” MSM has aimed at conservatism. We are working with society where critical-thinking skills are close to nonexistent.
There may be some (I’d say very few) comments crossing the line on occasion, but I don’t see any great symptoms of OBS. Pointing out how and when MSM continually covers for an administration and political party they are very much involved with themselves, does not constitute OBS. Our criticisms are constant, because their actions as well as Obama’s, are worthy of it.
America has become quite bit dim-witted, and strong precise language and a certain amount of pushback is the only thing that will resinate. Conservatives who have the advantage of the bullypulpit and unwilling to sound the alarm on what’s been happening in Washington ( and just in the last 3 months) should be questioned by fellow conservatives. Realize also, our Republican representatives behave like a bunch of jahmucks bumbling around. And as well-meaning as SOME of them might be, there is NO leadership.
Where we can speak up is the internet, but where else? Many of us have e-mailed, called and written to our reps, to newspapers, etc. etc. And if there is a fellowship to be found on the Internet for conservatives to vent, getting hot under the collar at times is understandable.
I have no problem with commentary reminding us to be civil and reasonable. I concur. Threats and personal insults are should be shut down. But, we do not have to all get along, either.
My worry is that we may work too hard at douse the flames of dissent just to be civil, and not recognize when and how we need to act to stop this run away train.
I think the real mental malady is not so much evident in those that oppose Obama (although there always some in every large group) but in those that blindly follow him like lemmings over the cliff.
I personally do not hate the guy, but I definitely do not support the vast majority of his policies and think his ideology is disturbing and destructive.
Conservative still have a long long way to go before we reach the psychosis of BDS.
The Anti-Christ is Obama and his minions are Pleosi and Reid and Frank. With govt. taking over GM and putting themselves in the mist of businesses I cannot think of anything but dismember of the American individuality. Is is very scary and appalling at the direction this country is heading.
But at the end of the day, when he turns out to be exactly the communist that I and others have been saying that he is since last spring, don’t say I didn’t tell you so. People like Jennifer Rubin are shocked when this radical actually governs like – a radical! I’m not going to play this charade and pretend that he’s a moderate in radical clothing. This completely flies in the face of everything that we know about his background.
It’s been the most amazing spectacle, watching so many ostensibly intelligent people twisting themselves in knots trying to explain why a bear eats berries, and isn’t a danger to humans.
Sometimes a radical is just a radical.
Aside from the fact that Obama is a marble-mouthed idiot when speaking without his tele-binky;that his fiscal recklessness makes Bush look like an Amish furniture maker; that his foreign policy is feckless and a wee bit too “textbook;” that he has willfully appointed tax-cheats and Clinton/Bushies for his Cabinet (“fox, please help me guard this here nice chicken coop”); that he has less business experience than my five-year old kid who set up a lemonade stand last summer (profitably).. he’s an OK guy.
If any conservatives hate Obama it’s because he is a radical socialist. Eventually we’ll know whether he’s a communist or Nazi, but we don’t know yet. The best thing that can be said of Frum is he’s a fruitcake, and Kristol, Kagan, and Senor aare at best lightweights Cetrtainly none of these four add up to a single genuine conservative, such as Limbaugh.
How a conservative “sizes” someone up (in order of priority):
1. By what they do
2. By who they associate with
3. By what they say
How a liberal does the same:
1. By what they say
2. By what they intended to do
3. By how they feel
Pretty much sums it up,eh?
I agree with an earlier comment. I usually like David Horowitz; but in this essay, he’s just wrong. “Making nice” with the Obamanuts won’t help.
Stand up conservatives! Form a new party if necessary! At the very least, attend a TEA Party and bond with others who don’t want the likes of Pelosi, Frank, Dodd and Zero taking over our country and trampling on our Constitution.
The weak-kneed will always be forced to kneel.
I would like to request that I be assigned a foxhole other than Ron’s. When James Caan’s character, Mississippi, in El Dorado, emerged from a gunfight to which he had brought a knife, some of us realized it was a MOVIE!
There’s no evidence for Obama’s harmlessness in any sphere. If some areas of present policy look rational, it’s because he’s more engaged in other areas.
“I have already David Horowitz’s article—and he is describing a phenomenon involving marginalized ultra-right wing individuals. There are no zero center-right thinkers who are indulging in vicious Obama hating.”
Whoops. Let’s try this again. Should be:
I have already read David Horowitz’s article—and he is describing a phenomenon involving marginalized ultra-right wing individuals. There are zero center-right thinkers who are indulging in vicious Obama hating.
“According to Frum, conservatives are “bereft of answers for the economic challenges of the 21st century.”
David Frum is an economic illiterate. Please note that he usually shies away from specifics. This is what Frum actually means: a large percentage of the American public has been seduced into believing the New Deal, “FDR saved capitalism” nonsense. We should not surrender our far more sensible economic principles. No, center-right conservatives must instead continue to make the effort to convert our fellow citizens.
As I stated elsewhere:
Yes, perhaps ODS is unhealthy. Consider adding Pelosi, Reed, Frank, Dodd and some from the other side of the aisle and relabeling the malady “GAS” (Government Anxiety Syndrome). Yes, I currently am suffering a very bad case of GAS.
We’ve already been around this particular block.
And it was a slum the first time, when Moran tried to sell it to us.
Obama Derangement Syndrome was chronicled, codified and queued for entry into the DSM-V months ago. It had something to do with raging, hysterical fantasies and mass hysteria involving notions that Obama would pay people’s mortgages and car payments, that he would force the oceans to stop rising, that he would make the world love America again and that he would stop campaigning for office at some point.
Let’s get something straight. Bush Derangement Syndrome, as defined by the doctor who coined the term, was hysterical, irrational behavior based on political fantasy. The example he used as the paradigm was Howard Dean’s insane ‘Truther’ innuendo – i.e., that GWB was warned about 9/11 by the Saudis – and Dean’s complete detachment from reality in believing that everyone in America is somehow forced to get all of their news and information from Fox News Channel.
There is no fantasy or detachment from reality in the conservative response to BHO’s policies, which are demonstrably destructive of our Constitution and the Republican Form of Government it guarantees – for which so many have fought, bled and died. And our response to the breathtaking degree to which BHO’s policies and his past have been protected or promoted by his Fifth Column, entrenched media typically barely rises above the level of aggravation.
This is “derangement”? Please. We’ve had enough Eeyore-ism and finger-wagging from self-anointed psychologists. We’ve had enough of faux conservatives telling the rest of us to compromise with the intellectually barren and morally adolescent Left, or be labeled “deranged”. That compromise is precisely what has placed our Republic squarely in the crosshairs of a virtually unopposed threat that grows larger with each passing day.
Frum can stick his “bereft of answers” crap back whence it was excreted. He has yet to demonstrate that he even understands the questions. And there’s a lot of that going around, it seems.
Mr. Radosh:
” Obama has flexed the leftist muscle so nakedly and unmistakably that there isn’t a conservative left who will vote Democratic in the next election (and there were many who did so in the last).”-sayeth Mr. Horowitz
And then along comes Mr. Frum, who prescribes EXACTLY the course of action to keep GOP voters at home playing canasta next Presidential election:
“He believes that conservatives have to move beyond the old cultural warfare battles of the past and present policies that appeal and make sense to the majority of the American people. And this means accepting some of the major changes in the nation on cultural issues—such as ending opposition to stem cell research, gay rights, and concerns about the environment.”
Poor, David Frum…he’s still in denial about what nominating a RINO meant for election ’08.
He’s still squeezing his eyes shut, sticking his fingers in his ears and hollering “I can’t hear you!” about the undeniable revitalization that Governor Palin’s candidacy brought to the McCain campaign.
And he’s still wishing that cultural conservatives are going to shrivel up and blow away.
Is this waht’s required to get column inches in the National Post, (of Canada)?
Someone should try cluing Frum in on how many Canadians voted for McCain.
Thank Obama for staying in Iraq, tough-talking Iran, and keeping Gitmo open? Thank Bush! Apparently the Won, blindsided by reality, decided his campaign promises were unworkable so he defaulted to the status quo. Obama is praiseworthy insofar as he can’t be trusted to keep his word.
It’s too bad he’s kept up the false distinction between himself and his predecessors on these matters, such as blaming Cheney’s talk for making more enemies of America. But I don’t expect Obama to do anything sensibly Bush-like without adding his own unique ingredients of confusion, hypocrisy, and intellectual dishonesty.
President Bush did his best to defend America while being viciously attacked on a daily basis by America’s elites. Obama is doing his best to destroy it while America’s elites avert their eyes and pretend he’s a moderate. Other than that there is no real difference between the two derangement syndromes.
Obama Arrangement Syndrome – the practice of pretending that he’s not really as dreadful, on every issue – from grossly irresponsible deficit financing, to passing a worse than useless stimulus bill no one read, to job destroying restrictions on carbon dioxide even as the earth cools, to banning drilling and the development of more nuclear energy , to attempting to appease America’s enemies, to being unable to appoint qualified people, to breaking campaign promises – as his short record shows, is a more serious problem for the nation than Obama Derangement Syndrome.
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-Wish I had the answers for ya on that one and I agree that we have to keep pointing out how wrong 0bama + Crew of thugs really are. -Because if our voices are silenced then what is next?
Interesting youtube link [a bit over-the-top but worthy of a watch]:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
I’d rather have ODS than be one of the 0-bots who drank of the k00l-aid.
The Foreign Policy Initiative is just PNAC all over again with a lamer sounding name. I think it’s about time the conservatives stop listening to the neocons especially when it comes to foreign policy.
Man, how I wish I could be an irresponsible clueless moron like Obama…
Then, I could say and do the following:
Say how much I support monogamy, while getting on board the Ms Hawaiian Tropic Bikini Tour Bus as the official suntan oil applicator.
Say how a sober life is the best life, while snorting a pile of cocaine.
Say how important it is to be fiscally responsible, while placing my kids’ college money on the Caribbean Poker Table.
Say how critical it is to be in good physical shape, while taking a bite out of a triple-cheese with bacon Super-Stent Burger.
It sure must be grand to be the first affirmative-action/grant President!
Frum really needs to do some research beyond Time and Newsweek. He reveals himself as incurious on two counts:
1. He obviously never listened to Rush, Hannity, Levin, etc… during the Bush Presidency. If he had he would have heard frustration and anger aimed at the big spending Rino’s. He is basing his criticism on stereotypes created by the mainstream media.
2.“But on environmental issues, we have to follow the evidence where it leads” What the heck does that mean? What evidence? More nonsense from Time and Newsweek?
Frum’s problem is that his target audience is better informed than he is – so he looks like an idiot.
The first “MUSLIM ” president Of a “CHRISTIAN NATION………. FORMED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES!! Notice how he speaks: “”Tally bahn”" ………”paakey stun”
Conservatives won’t be following that path…for one reason and one reason only: the Main Scream Media.
They fed BDS because their nothing but a pack of liberal jackals constantly eating their young. The only time conservatives get any press is when we turn on each other. The MSM loves that. Coming down with ODS is not even on the radar. If anything will be laughing our ass off on the sideline when the government implodes.
PIMF: first their= they’re….will= we’ll. Jeez.
Sheesh. I was going to write a comment here saying that I had not picked up on any rediculous, hateful, over-the-top garbage about Obama like the stuff Bush had to put up with; and then I read the other comments here. I am so, so close to giving up on America. As a Brit who has spent the last twenty years staunchly defending the US against vast amounts of prejudice and hatefmongering amongst my compatriots, I am beginning to feel you just don’t deserve any further efforts on my part.
‘The first “MUSLIM ” president Of a “CHRISTIAN NATION………. FORMED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES!! Notice how he speaks: “”Tally bahn”” ………”paakey stun”’
You think thats any different from Bush Derangement Syndrome?
I’m with Old Soldier, especially with the environmental issues – there simply is too much divergent, even conflicting evidence to make a determination either way. Frum is right in one way – we should follow the science where it leads. We just don’t have enough information to follow it in any one direction. Now, that doesn’t mean we can’t get behind some things, like promoting (not mandating) energy efficiency – it’s smart, and conservative too boot.
Overall, I feel that conservatives will treat this president with far more respect than GWB received from the left. I think we expect to play by certain rules of decorum, while the left has abandoned it. If we continue to do so, as Horowitz seems to be warning us to do, we will regain and retain the moral high ground. I don’t HATE Obama, myself, but I do fear his philosophy, as it seems to be no more than a knee-jerk liberalism that, while well-meaning, is the figurative road “paved with good intentions”.
Our principles, and the political stands we take as a result, are not “old fashioned”, but timeless and continually relevant. This goes for abortion, eHsc, foreign policy, the environment, the economy, gay marriage, etc. We need to do a better job of messaging, specifically as to how our philosophy will solve these problems and help people, be they individuals or groups. Reagan was a master at it, Gingrich was good, but horrible on defense. GWB didn’t really try at all, he expected his actions would speak for themselves. Palin was savaged and now has to prove all of that wrong just to get to the table. We have to do better, we have to be nearly perfect to neutralize the skepticism (not a bad thing, wish it were universal), and win on the merits of our arguments, while battling the tide. We can do this.
I get really discusted when pundits expouse what is wrong with conservatives when it is obvious they know nothing about conservatives by reading their tripe.
There is nothing wrong with conservatives.
What is wrong is pundits defining conservatives as needing to embrace progressive immorality.
A conservative believes in the Constitution and what our brilliant founders wrote. It doesn’t need to change or be updated or anything else the progressives wish it to be.
Conservatives believe in freedom of the people; period, nothing more needs to be said.
Conservatism is a way of life, not a political movement with a finger in the air.
Your article along with Horowitz article are just the wishfull musings of two lost souls.
Bravo to all the posters so far who have stood athwart this article and yelled “STOP!”
Apparently, some (of us) yelled a bit too loudly and the posts are, uhm, … “awaiting moderation”. =P
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..by the way, anyone know if Obama and Geitner have filled all of the jobs at Treasury yet?
(Serious question.)
He has not filled a single position, nor nominated a single person to any of the 17 open positions.
All I have to say about Obama is he is a Marxist who needs to be opposed as strongly as possible, by as many people as possible. He was not a friend of Bill Ayers by accident.
We, as conservatives, aren’t fighting for our own identity, but rather we’re fighting the liberal media who produce slick and deliberately deceptive talking points that seek to convince the masses that wanting lower taxes, an end to abortion, a halt on the perversion of homosexual marriages, etc. are products of a narrow-minded or selfish ideology. We have the correct identity and we have the correct message. What we need are effective messengers such as Rush, Mike Pence, etc.
Make no mistake. This isn’t a battle about “image” or “identity.” It is a battle of morality vs. immorality with liberals doing their level best to push immorality and an “anything goes, but conventional morality” message.
I completely misunderstood the title of this article. “Obama Derangement Syndrome” – I thought the author was going to explain why Obama is deranged.
But, no matter. I can explain Obama’s derangement myself: liberalism. Sadly, the only cure for this disorder is Discernment, and unfortunately, that cure has been gifted to a select few. We do try to share it, in our own way, in order to help cure other liberals, but alas, some liberals are highly immune to this particular cure.
Our next step, then, is to try certain therapies to help them: Reason and Logic are two of those therapies, although quite often we will toss in some Facts and Reality to supplement Reason and Logic, should they not be enough to relieve the symptoms of liberalism.
As those who are thusly gifted with Discernment, it is distressing to have other people, who are only moderately gifted with this grace, tell us how we should treat Obama and his fellow sufferers. We really are doing the best we can with what we’ve been given.
Sadly, we have reached a point of triage in this struggle against liberalism, and we have to now determine which liberals are in worse shape than other liberals, and treat them accordingly. It’s a messy job, but someone has to do it.
It’s time to compare apples to apples and comparing what liberals did to Bush to any criticism coming from Conservatives about Bush, as being the same is a sign of poor reasoning and certainly isn’t comparing Apples to Apples.
Liberals lied, villified and accused without proof or facts every move Bush made.
Conservatives have striven to bring out into the open the truth about Obama’s relationships and his ineptness and his lying. That they also hate what he’s doing to this country is not something they should keep to themselves.
So let me get this straight. If you lie about someone to effect public policy that’s the same as telling the truth about someone to effect public policy.
This sounds like leftist lunacy to me.
Do I despise the leftist loons who have taken over our government. You bet I do. Do I do it because someone has told me lies about them or is it because I know the truth about they’re policies that are ruining this country and its people. It is Bush hatred syndrome to hate someone because you’re to lazy or to stupid to find out the truth. It is not Obama hatred syndrome if I hate the policies and actions of someone when those policies and actions are factually threatening my well being. Leftist are only to happy to think their accusations are working. That Conservatives are still falling for this makes me sick. Oh yeah its all the same,there’s no difference, Conservatives are just doing the same things to Obama that Libs did to Bush. Get a clue people.
To whoever said that the key to an ouster of the Obama administration in 2012 is to expand our tent, I say: Don’t be ridiculous. Obama was not elected based on a platform. He appealed to all who wanted to feel the moral superiority of having voted for an “Halfrican-American”. We need a compelling candidate. Naturally, I would prefer that Americans would vote for the best platform. However, the new, dumbed down, voter votes based on “feelings”.
I grow more despondent everyday.
TO: Ron Radosh, et al.
RE: Derangement….
….it’s the problem of people who make decisions without having the necessary facts and/or evidence to back them up.
Case in point….
…where is Obama’s birth certificate? And why haven’t we seen it?
It’s a simple question. And only someone who is REALLY ‘deranged’ would suggest that there is no need to see such an item.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]
I thought that ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome) refers to those that believe Obama is The Messiah…
Why are so many so willing to assume the best of Obama? What has he done to earn that?
Personally, I reject the premise that he’s a nice, misguided fellow with good intentions. Or that he’s a good man who means well but is too uneducated to know what he’s doing, that if, oh only if, he was “better read” or less “economically and historically illiterate” he’d see the light, change his ways and govern in a fashion that would defend the Constitution and your way of life.
There are two ways to view this man: good or evil. Now, I hate communists and I view him as one, evil, communist. Puts me squarely in the Delia, Savage24 and Self-hating Boomer camp. Hi guys!
#36 Chris in Toronto: Moogie is in that camp too.
I completely reject the notion that, as a conservative, I have to alter my values in order to fall in line with someone else’s values just because theirs happens to be in vogue at the moment.
Do I harbor bitterness and resentment toward our current administration and its policies? Hell yes. Do they care if most Americans don’t support the trillion bazillion dollar deficit they’ve just created? Hell no. Why don’t they care? Because they have an agenda and they want it to succeed (read: communism, socialism, bullshiteism – call it whatever ism you want). Do I want that agenda to succeed? Hell no. Why? Because it’s WRONG.
If they like socialism so much, why don’t they go to Europe where they won’t have to work so hard to change something that has already been changed for them.
I’m just not that into the whole talking softly thing.
A little further edification of Mr. Frum. The environment and “gay rights” are state issues. Stem cells, not even an issue, especially with adult stem cells showing much more promise and again is a state and private enterprise issue. A conservative would inherently know this, for they believe in the Constitution. As far as Horowitz’s column goes, I already left a comment on his site so I won’t here. Needless to say, I didn’t exactly agree with his premise.
re/ Comment #7
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The man has pissed away trillions of dollars in his first two months in office. To object to that makes *us* deranged?
I have my doubts about “Obama the socialist” – seems more like a fascist (state ownership & control vs. private ownership co-opted by strict government regulation).
THE issue with Obama is “what does his Administration do?”
Remember, the premise of his campaign was “Kumbya” – - – sound all nice, moderate and reasonable, count on your fans in the MSM for protection against any serious challenge / inquiry. He’s attempting to continue the formula even today.
Hmmm… perhaps this will pass from “moderation” without the links?
We’ve already been around this particular block.
And it was a slum the first time, when Moran tried to sell it to us.
Obama Derangement Syndrome was chronicled, codified and queued for entry into the DSM-V months ago. It had something to do with raging, hysterical fantasies and mass hysteria involving notions that Obama would pay people’s mortgages and car payments, that he would force the oceans to stop rising, that he would make the world love America again and that he would stop campaigning for office at some point.
Let’s get something straight. Bush Derangement Syndrome, as defined by the doctor who coined the term, was hysterical, irrational behavior based on political fantasy. The example he used as the paradigm was Howard Dean’s insane ‘Truther’ innuendo – i.e., that GWB was warned about 9/11 by the Saudis – and Dean’s complete detachment from reality in believing that everyone in America is somehow forced to get all of their news and information from Fox News Channel.
There is no fantasy or detachment from reality in the conservative response to BHO’s policies, which are demonstrably destructive of our Constitution and the Republican Form of Government it guarantees – for which so many have fought, bled and died. And our response to the breathtaking degree to which BHO’s policies and his past have been protected or promoted by his Fifth Column, entrenched media typically barely rises above the level of aggravation.
This is “derangement”? Please. We’ve had enough Eeyore-ism and finger-wagging from self-anointed psychologists. We’ve had enough of faux conservatives telling the rest of us to compromise with the intellectually barren and morally adolescent Left, or be labeled “deranged”. That compromise is precisely what has placed our Republic squarely in the crosshairs of a virtually unopposed threat that grows larger with each passing day.
Frum can stick his “bereft of answers” crap back whence it was excreted. He has yet to demonstrate that he even understands the questions. And there’s a lot of that going around, it seems.
Chris in Toronto
I agree. Communists stink and they have no place in America.
FDR`s government was loaded with communists. Let the progressives go back to the 1930`s. I`m moving on.
goy,
I’m with you and the rest of the company you keep and hail on this topic.
Mr. Radosh,
I don’t have “Obama Derangement Syndrome.” I won’t even bother David Horowitz about this, as he has plenty of dissenters on his site (which I go to daily). Ordinarily, I admire David Horowitz and approve of much of what he writes. But on this one, he emitted neural flatulence. There is nothing going on among conservatives that can even compare with what the “Truthers” did to President Bush.
I will state that I am completely convinced that Barack Obama is a Red Diaper Baby. His mother and his grandparents were Marxists. They took Stanley Ann Dunham, his mother, and moved to Mercer Island in Washington state in order to enroll her in a high school that had socialist/Marxist teachers. She married a man who was a member of the Communist Party and together they had young Barack. Barack Obama, Sr. wrote a paper detailing how Kenya’s economy should be organized. It was pure Marxism-Leninism in every detail. Stanley Ann, after being dumped by this amoral Communist and leaving Barack without a father, took up with another probable Communist, this time from Indonesia. After the 1965 coup in Indonesia, his visa and scholarship were revoked – probably because he was not a practicing Muslim and was known as a follower of the deposed regime. He went home and got with Islam, disavowed his former ideological identifications, and managed to get a job. Stanley Ann was later furious with him for “selling out” and going to work for oil companies.
Years later, when young Barack was returned to Hawai’i, possibly his mother and very definitely his grandparents hooked him up with an elderly (but very randy, promiscuous, and pornographic)”gentleman” by the name of Frank Marshall Davis, member of the Communist Party USA. As a mentor, you see. His family were making sure that while he was at the Punahou Prep School in Honolulu he was not going to be unduly influenced by the values and aspirations of his classmates.
In college, he consciously matriculated with course offerings that featured Leftist and Marxist professors at Occidental and at Columbia.
Later, in Chicago, he took up with a heretic, racist, and anti-American minister and for over twenty years was nourished by this bitter milk.
I knew he was a Marxist to the bone, and nothing he has done so far has in any way shaken me of that conviction.
I did my homework on this dude far more thoroughly than the Fourth Estate did their due diligence. I don’t hate Barack Obama. I merely despise the ideology that he defaults to and which will bring great harm to this nation. In no way will his policies help the poor and the young, who were the ones whose votes put him over the top.
Wait and see. Any bets?
Yesterday when I heard obama assure the nation that “the government will now back the warranties on your new vehicles” I busted out laughing and no one else was home.
As I was laughing very loudly, I also said (loudly), “Well now, THAT’S good news!!” And kept laughing.
Does that mean I’m deranged?
Gee, I’ve been wondering for years, just wringin’ my hands, doncha know, wondering and hoping (HOPING, I tell you) that the guvmint would start backing auto warranties so that I could just worry less about that.
Idiots.
Moogie — “we have reached a point of triage in this struggle against liberalism.”
Sorry, we did everything we could but I’m afraid it’s total organ failure. We really don’t hold much hope. America is dying.
chris in Toronto:
Why are so many so willing to assume the best of Obama? What has he done to earn that?
Because Chris, as I have explained ad nauseum, they suffer from Obama Arrangement Syndrome .
#58 Kaspar – Yes, America might be dying, but as long as there’s a pulse, I’d like to hope (pardon the word) that we can change (pardon the word) what this administration has wrought.
Do I have ODS? Maybe.
How do you compromise on Private property rights? Freedom of speech? Liberty? How do you compromise on the Constitution?
You don’t.
I don’t accept your premise and David Frum is a fool. When he appeared on Mark Levin’s show Levin destroyed him. He made him sound like a blithering weak-kneed imbecile. Why should I listen to him or his irrelevant I’ll?
I’ll stay on the right side of history with the founding fathers thank you very much.
Andrew Lale (#36) wrote: “Sheesh. I was going to write a comment here saying that I had not picked up on any rediculous, hateful, over-the-top garbage about Obama like the stuff Bush had to put up with; and then I read the other comments here. I am so, so close to giving up on America. As a Brit who has spent the last twenty years staunchly defending the US against vast amounts of prejudice and hatefmongering amongst my compatriots, I am beginning to feel you just don’t deserve any further efforts on my part.”
So a mere few comments are likely to change your mind about the entire country? Apparently “staunchly defending” doesn’t mean what it used to……..
In other word, let’s just capitulate!
How utterly absurd.
It’s important to remember that “Bush Derangement Syndrome” worked.
that is, the left managed to create a groundswell of anti-Bush sentiment that resulted in the elecion of Obama.
so from a tactical point of view, there’s nothing wrong with “X derangement syndrome.”
Lawrence Auster really takes Horowtz’s moronic rant apart.
This is a must read. Pass it along:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/012866.html
“And this means accepting some of the major changes in the nation on cultural issues—such as ending opposition to stem cell research, gay rights, and concerns about the environment.”
I see nothing wrong opposing any of the above
Stem cell research ?
Call it what they are doing+Embrionic stem Cell Research…very wrong
Gay Rights=Making abnormal behavior acceptible by changing the definition of marriage
Concerns about the environment=Made up junk science
The only reason Dear Leader hasn’t strayed far from Bush’s terrorism-related foreign policies is because he’s too insecure in that area. For the time being. Give it a year. And by the way, how is it “deranged” to hate one’s enemies?
Hi, Moogie: Welcome to the Club. I didn’t want to assume you or anyone else was with us. It’s an opt-in Club.
To Terry Gain #59: Thanks.
TO: aurdoc
RE: My Definition….
“I thought that ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome) refers to those that believe Obama is The Messiah…” — aurdoc
….works both ways.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. There are millions more ODS types of the ‘messianic’ persuasion than those who think he is one of Satan’s lieutenants on Earth.
Better ODS than odious.
TO: Pee Wee Herman,Community Organizer
RE: ODS
blockquote>Better ODS than odious. — Pee Wee Herman,Community Organizer
Caught the implication, eh?
Good on you….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. Just because they recognize the ‘imprecation’ doesn’t mean they can avoid the ‘curse’.
Jeeze!!!! I’ve read all these comments and have never been prouder to be an American (in all my adult life…..)
I appreciate Horowitz’s work to expose the leftists leaning of our colleges and universities, but, by God, I’m beginning to think that the “no-name” American people are going to be the saviors of this country. I’m almost at the point where I think the “big names” ought to stay the HELL away from the Tea Parties and just let the American citizens do the hard lifting. We’re genuine….we’re not in it for the money (except the TAX money being stolen from us),and we’re not in it for the “ratings” and it just might be that the “big names” are going to tarnish what the Tea Parties represent— the pure, unadulterated ANGER at this administration’s unconstitutional seizure of power. I’ve read more brilliance on this blog in the comments than I have read in articles where the “names” are paid for their input. Americans….go with your guts. Remain just as angry as the situation calls for, and THIS situation calls for a great deal of anger! You guys have shown more respect for this country in your comments than anything I’ve read or heard in a long time. JEEEZE! I’m proud of my fellow citizens who won’t be dictated to by those who wish to jump to the front of the parade. Thanks for the good reading tonight–you’ve lifted my spirits and my mood!
59. Fred
I agree with you. Why people would not research Barack Obama is beyond me? I did, and what I found was disturbing.
Many of the Independents that voted for him, are apparently having second thoughts and a type of hangover.
Adding to what you stated, Obama so-called autobiography was an attempt to remake himself politically and hide the truth, in the realm of Mein Kampft. Half-truths, lies, and omissions are rampant.
Father died in an accident, but never mentioned it was his 2nd one while intoxicated, the first one having caused the lost of his legs.
Less than candid on extensive drug use, etc, etc
Then of course his associations: “Tell me with whom you hangout and I will tell you who you are.”
The trouble with your argument, and with Horowitz’s argument, both of which I largely agree with, is that they ignore the feeling of utter powerlessness many of us on the Right have. Part of the anger directed at the President is directed at who he is: a product of a liberal elite that now is overtly governing us. Before, this elite could make all of us use our tax dollars for other people’s abortions, spend money on grade schools, high schools and colleges teaching everything but the basics, and concede power and money to unions.
Now it’s even worse, in that they have control over security, and are only very reluctantly embracing the notion of “keeping us safe.”
Horowitz and you are right: the birth certificate junk and other examples of nutcase invective are unacceptable. But then you both immediately talk past everyone who wants to have a say governing their country – all of us know that foreign policy isn’t really a place we have a say. All the protests about torture didn’t stop a thing until an election. You’re both talking to the Beltway elite without knowing it.
You need another notion of partisanship in order to advance your call for moderation. You need something that engages those who – rightly – see the world crumbling around them, and see Leftists and anarchists in control as the advent of the last man. Just because we should be moderate and give the benefit of the doubt doesn’t mean that our political opponents are a good thing: their politics are that of throwing a tantrum, blaming everyone else for everything, and bribing their constituents for votes. It’s very hard for many – esp. those taking bullets for this country as we speak – to conceive of what could be a bigger insult.
Regarding the notion of partisanship you need to advance, in order to create a moderate politics generally: What can we reasonably expect from Partisanship?
TO: ash—
RE: Yeah?
Show US the birth certificate. Go on…I defy you….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. I don’t give a damn what you think of me based on your political orientation. I prefer facts to tripe….as opposed to you….
38. Jeff Weimer . . . “Overall, I feel that conservatives will treat this president with far more respect than GWB received from the left. I think we expect to play by certain rules of decorum, while the left has abandoned it. If we continue to do so, as Horowitz seems to be warning us to do, we will regain and retain the moral high ground.”
From just this one post:
Hmm. I just cannot seem to be able to find one, singularly complimentary thing about 0bama to like or even tolerate.
The Anti-Christ is Obama and his minions are Pleosi and Reid and Frank.
Obama is praiseworthy insofar as he can’t be trusted to keep his word.
Obama is doing his best to destroy America.
Man, how I wish I could be an irresponsible clueless moron like Obama.
The first “MUSLIM ” president Of a “CHRISTIAN NATION
Do I despise the leftist loons who have taken over our government. You bet I do.
Obama was not elected based on a platform. He appealed to all who wanted to feel the moral superiority of having voted for an “Halfrican-American”.
Now, I hate communists and I view him as one, evil, communist.
Do I harbor bitterness and resentment toward our current administration and its policies? Hell yes.
I have my doubts about “Obama the socialist” – seems more like a fascist
Again, that’s just from this one post. Wan to go bigger? Listen to Rush and Hannity and Levin and the rest. They are uniformly and relentlessly bashing everything Obama says or does, many times before he says or does it. Yeah, that’s some mighty respect. Guess that high ground’s gonna remain juuuust out of reach. Too bad, it really was your only chance – mend your rotten ways and join the human race, exhibit a little humility, take a little responsibility. Apparently you prefer to stay with that “greed, incompetence and arrogance” martyrdom platform that got you kicked out the last two elections. Good luck with that.
Oh shit, one and my only is back.
80. Tammy Faye Bakker . . .
Yep . . . and deadly as ever.
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FreedomRanger
Where the heck is this widespread Obama Derangement Syndrome other than mischaracterizing disagreement with his experience, actions, mis-steps, contradictions, and policies as personal deranged attacks on the person. Ok, sure,t here are some fringies going after his citizenship and “muslim” background” but those are truly fringe noises that don’t get any significant play. Whereas BDS consisted of accusations of criminality, stealing elections, stupidity, being AWOL, participation in 9/11, etc– all with MSM nad National elected leader amplifiying it as if they were credible claims. This accusation of ODS is simply an attempt to equate rational political disagreement with the over the top behavior of the left during the Bush administration. Building on that meme allows teh MSM to dismiss out of hand legitimate disagreement with the Obama administration policies. It’s more mainstreaming of double speak.
There was no trouncing in the last election, no matter how many times this falsehood is stated.
Mr. Radosh: It’s not the fact of Obama that should cause derangement;Obama is what he is,and anyone willing to look could see what he was:a totally unqualified marxoid thug and puppet of the left.What can derange anyone,is that a majority of Americans voted for this epicene princess Diana of American presidents,over a vastly more qualified war hero.My contempt for that majority is infinite.