Jerusalem Debacle at the DNC: Whither the Jewish Vote?
I was both elated and scared when I heard the “nays” and “boos” emanating from the Democratic National Convention floor Wednesday as a pathetic Antonio Villaraigosa desperately tried to take votes amending the Democratic platform on “God” and “Jerusalem” — elated because I was watching a bogus public dumb show come apart, at least temporarily, at the seams, but scared because I was staring, again at least temporarily, into the gaping yaw of the 1930s.
For those fleeting seconds, I realized that, yes, it could also happen here, because, make no mistake about it, those copious boos were not for “God” (except, perhaps, for a few scattered nitwits), but for Israel. A sizable and serious claque on the Democratic National Convention floor was shouting and applauding against the Jews.
Back when I was a kid, when I used to see the Auschwitz numbers on the arms of the nurses in my doctor father’s office, I would wonder how something that horrible could happen. It was beyond my childhood imagination. No longer, unfortunately. Not that the Democratic Party is the equivalent of the Nazi Party, even remotely. I won’t indulge in that game. But those boos, taken with the overall theme of the convention — that we all belong to the government — are chilling. That people of color are often the ones being seduced by this garbage is even more depressing to this ex-civil rights worker. Where, oh where, is Martin Luther King?
Conventions in general encourage group think, especially now that they are so planned and canned. That is why I cannot believe that Barack Obama (or his clone Valerie Jarrett) did not approve the platform in advance. They can deny that all they wish, but it is absurd to think people who devote their lives, more than anything, to political success would leave such a stone unturned. The platform reflected the manner in which Obama regards Israel, disdain tempered by desire for Jewish votes and money. How much disdain we might find out if the Los Angeles Times were to release the Khalidi tape. But the Democratic Party fanatics who helm that newspaper would rather walk over their proverbial grandmothers than publicize anything that could damage their secular saint.
Of course, these events are all about the Jewish vote and that accounts for the panicked fashion in which the administration people reacted (although nothing can account for the tone-death imbecility of Deborah Wasserman Schultz). Worth noting is that in their haste they did not change, to my knowledge, all the clauses that the still somewhat loyal Democrat Alan Dershowitz demanded be changed. No reference to Hamas terrorism was added back, similarly nothing about the “law of return.” Both appeared in earlier Democratic platforms.
In an interview, Dershowitz also stated: “Israel should never become a wedge issue that separates Republicans from Democrats and I fear that this omission from the platform contributes to making it a wedge.”
Indeed it does — or did. But the problem is mere word changes in a platform do not begin to alter this. Anyone, and I defy Dershowitz to contradict this, observing the reaction to Villaraigosa on the convention floor can see that a significant portion of the Democratic Party has a real problem with Israel that appears, though I wish it were not so, painfully close to anti-Semitism. On balance, the Republicans are vastly more pro-Israel, even if some bizarre characters, like the antediluvian Democratic Party chair of Palm Beach County Mark Alan Siegel, still believe evangelical Christians are a bigger threat to Jews than Ayatollah Khamenei. (If the bigoted screed on this video doesn’t get this clown fired, what will?)
So we come again to the age-old question: Will Jews finally stop their slavish devotion to the Democratic Party and vote in their own interest? Cynics in my readership often wave this off as an impossibility. To them I say, we are at a significant moment in our nation’s history and your cynicism isn’t very useful. It is self-fulfilling prophecy and I don’t care if you are right. It’s time to put negativity aside, all of us, and do everything we can to wake up our friends, neighbors, and relatives. We have to do that without rancor or self-righteousness. For anyone to change the tradition of a lifetime is difficult and highly threatening. I know it was for me. But it also can be even more invigorating and renewing once you walk through that ominous wall.
As frightening as it could be in one sense, what happened at the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday could be a gift, an opportunity to effectuate some change in the Jewish community. Even a small amount could have considerable significance in the obvious states. Make sure everyone you know sees the convention video. Email it everywhere. It’s appended above for your convenience. (By the way, mentioned not once in Bill Clinton’s speech? Israel. I wonder why.)
(Also see the video “The Obama Doctrine: Turning his Back on Israel.”)
It looks as if you’re right, Obama knew what was in the platform and okayed it. Interesting progression, from James Baker’s infamous “F*** the Jews, they don’t vote for us anyway” to the current Dems saying, “F*** the Jews, they’ll vote for us anyway.” Or, finally, maybe not.
There is a saying, however uncomfortable it may be – Jews earn like Episcopalians, but vote like Puerto Ricans. As crude as it may sound, it is very on point. And, no offense to my hard working Hispanic friends!
Being wed to ones ideology-as a religion-is dangerous to ones health, especially if one is a minority within a minority.
As such, I have expended much energy into researching/expounding on this issue, just google ‘Adina Kutnicki’.
If interested, please see ‘Leftism…Lethal To Jews & Their Overall Health..Others Too’ (8/8/12),
‘Barack Hussein Obama’s Jerusalem Obsession…More Than Meets The Eye…Verified By A Trusted Jerusalem Contact’ (8/3/12),
‘When Intellectual Honesty Smacks Up Against Leftist Delusions…A Nation-Saving Prescription To Beat Them Back’ (7/10/12) applies to leftist Jews wherever they reside,
‘Leftist Dogma, The Same World Over, Patriotic Americans, Beware’(7/1/12).
A very depressing topic, but one which must be explored, and hopefully remedied.
Something happened in the last century and especially in the last several decades where Jews felt they had to be more “mainstream” in order to be accepted. By watching the Three Stooges, we anglo-christians never gave it a thought that the crew was Jewish. However, I learned many years later that they were somehow persecuted for their religion at times.
But watching other shows with actors who were Jewish never even entered my mind. Only in recent years has it become apparent that they, themselves intentionally avoided the topic in order to gain acceptance in society. Seinfeld is perhaps the best example.
As a side note, I have found Jewish humorists and comedians to have a very capable handle on being human. I can relate to everything they have used to get laughs.
With that said, their intentional disavowal of their religion has served to torpedo them in the long run. Perhaps, like the bitter catholic-raised individual, they eschew the religion because of its stark “requirements” and regimentation. I certainly understand that but to do so at the expense of all the good that’s in there is a fool’s errand.
My own faith is shaky at best but I insist that our system of laws and the bible they are based on is a pretty good way to go. Even for a secularist like myself, the laws, at least up until some time ago, made sense, were logical and fair, offering both the opportunity to serve justice as well as rehabilitation. In contrast, islam offers neither. Losing a hand for stealing is in no way a remedy for the crime, though it may make the damaged party feel very smug.
The Judeo-Christian ethic, which founded and allowed this nation to explode onto the scene in great prosperity without a monarch at its helm proved that being selfish has its advantages. Selfish in the sense where if everyone is minding their own business, they won’t be minding everyone else’s.
But the Jews have a lousy track record when it comes to blind allegiance to a faulty system. Is it in the DNA? One has to wonder. How can a people, who I have come to know to be so logical and pragmatic in so many ways allow themselves to be manipulated by evil-doers? Or is it that they reject the whole concept of their religion so entirely that they do so at the peril of their own desire to be accepted?
“How can a people, who I have come to know to be so logical and pragmatic in so many ways allow themselves to be manipulated by evil-doers?”
Chalk it up to fear, Jay Medilla, deep seated fear. I listen to my relatives and shake my head in dismay.
Could you be more specific? Fear of what, exactly? I can perhaps surmise what some of those fears might be but would appreciate your views.
Thanks
How can they allow this? See the movie The Debt, the part where three Jewish agents have taken a Nazi doctor prisoner and prepare to take him to Israel. The Nazi says to one of his guards that we knew we could do anything to the Jews we wanted when it only took a handful of guards to load thousands of Jews into the boxcars. He said even when we took their children away from them they did nothing. I am surprised hollywood even allowed dialog like this in a movie.
P Jay Medilla – Fear of the next purge. If you’ve repeatedly been the victim of a hideous ideology then you can either continually fight it or you can become a useful idiot and promote it in the hopes that you’ll be the last ones marched to the gas chambers. Be a faithful and loyal lackey and you might even get the coveted “Do Not Purge” button. Of course, that button won’t stop a bullet when you’re lined up against the wall… and you will be lined up against a wall.
” “How can a people, who I have come to know to be so logical and pragmatic in so many ways allow themselves to be manipulated by evil-doers?”
“Chalk it up to fear, Jay Medilla, deep seated fear. ”
Great question. Lousy answer. Not only have we Jews taken every torture the rest of the world could come up with, we have re-established the sovereign State of Israel, after a worldwide attempt to murder every one of us. We live surrounded by enemies and outnumbered 1000 to one and we are going nowhere. Does that sound like fear?
Through the last four thousand years Jews have a history of courage and sacrifice second to none, We are certainly not afraid to stand alone. We have been doing so throughout history.
So is there an answer to Jay’s question?
There is indeed an answer and it crystalizes not only why some Jews will vote for Obama but why so many of my kinsmen continue to slavishly support a party that no loner deserves support- They are Jews that have abandoned Judaism.
They are no longer moored to the ethical, intellectual and cultural foundation that has kept Judaism alive for four thousand years. Keeping The Sabbath, eating only Kosher food, daily prayer and hundreds of other aspects of Judaism have simply been abandoned.
Technically some are indeed Jews according to Jewish Law. Many others are not now or have ever been Jews even though they refer to themselves as Jews. They are the product of a business that turns Gentile into Jew with no change of behavior or belief. They give the rest of us a bad name.
It is no accident that the biggest support for conservative politicians is found in the areas populated by Jews who practice Judaism. It has always been so.
The more Jewish a person lives the more that person is likely to be voting for Mitt Romney.
Many people are born Americans but it takes effort and sacrifice to be a good American.
Being a good Jew is no different.
My theory is that Jews, being outsiders in every society except Israel, have concluded that their best interest lies in weakening whatever host society they happen to live with. Historically, Jews in Europe have embraced/supported every socially destructive movement from the Enlightenment to Communism. In the US, the ACLU and SPLC are Jewish groups that work 24/7 to drive Christianity and white people in general underground; out of the public square. Jews, similarly, were in the vanguard of the ‘Civil Rights’ movement, even though blacks generally have little liking for them. The point was, by supporting anti-white, anti-Christian legislation, they must believe that they are protecting themselves against persecution by Christians. This isn’t obviously false, although one has to factor in the natural reaction to these assaults on their religion and society from white Christians. European Jews in the 30s got the relative balances wrong, with negative consequences.
oldguy: It’s not like those Jews were armed, or came from a place with a gun culture. They did in general come from or were aware of places like Russia where resistance was returned multifold.
ChrisS: Good point, and note who these Jews are sucking up to, the only major movement that proposes to liquidate the 10% of the country they can’t re-educate….
Jacobite
I believe you are exactly right. In the mind of many Jews, voting for a Republican would be like voting for Hitler.
The Jews were pretty wayward in Biblical times. Maybe it’s just their style.
P Jay,
You are onto something very important and true about Jews.
You said: “they, themselves intentionally avoided the topic in order to gain acceptance in society”
It as much deeper that acceptability in the society. It is an ancient survival instinct. The Jews who managed to pretend that they were Polish, Ukrainian, or German, survived the Holocaust. Likewise in the previous waves of genocidal mass-murder of the Jewish people, the Jews who managed to blend in and not stick out hand better chances of not being murdered by the Ukrainian peasants, the Cossacks, Crussaders, etc.
Some 300,000 Jews were killed in the pogroms in Russian and Eastern Europe, between 1881 and 1919. At that time some 2 million Jews escaped to America. Once in America, they re-branded themselves as a “religion”.
The truth is that never in the history of Jewish people were they considered, nor did they consider themselves a “religion”. Jews were always known as a people, or a nation. Yes, they did have their own national religion, but the whole point was that they were a foreign nation. They were foreigners, not just Russian, or German of followers of Judaism. NO NO NO!! this is the big lie that the Jews managed to produce. Of course it is totally understandable; coming to America with its great religious tolerance, Jews could just say, “hey, we are just like everyone else, we are Russians of Jewish faith, just like there are some Italians of Catholic faith”. Well that’s just not true. Jews in Russia were never Russian, many barely spoke Russian. Jews were very different ethnic type easily distinguishable on the street. Generally they did not mix with Russians, Poles, Lithuanians, or Hungarians, but rather stayed in Jewish stettels and ghettos.
Being Jewish carried a stigma which could not be washed off with conversion. Jews who converted tried to hide the fact that they were converts, and their children denied that their parents were converts.
So the denial of Jewishness is much bigger than just being quite about ones religion. In fact many Jews are entirely secular and atheist, yet, they are still Jewish and they know it and try to hide it.
In Spain, all the Jews converted to Christianity, and yet stayed separated for 500 years. (Tragically the religiously influenced Israeli government does not recognize them as Jews while recognizing a totally foreign nation of Ethiopian “Jews”.)
You are missing the essence of what is means to be Jewish.
In American people came to think that Jews followers of Judaism, just like Catholics are members of the Catholic church. This analogy is completely misleading.
It took me time, research to understand that to Jewish Americans it is more important to be among elitist Liberals than save Israel. Thus vote for Obama.
“Wed to ideology” is one key. I think there’s also something about culture. Michelle “CHOOTZ-PAH” Bachmann and other assorted Republican defenders of Israel will never lure a single Jewish voter away from that culture.
Ms. Kutnicki, I read your blogg this morning for the first time and am overly impressed with your summaries and objetivity. I was overtaken with the amount of detail and information you provide. I will be a strong follower.
But I continue to be amazed at how the Jewish people (usually some of the smartest in school) can be so blind to what is happening to them and the state of Israel. According to “The counter Jihad Report” Cair has doubles the number of Muslin delegates to the DNC to around 100. (This may explain the boos during yesterdays platform vote). Obama has failed to visit Israel and is doing everything in his power to isolate them until after the election. I fear for Israel’s future should Obama be reelcted – WHY don’t the Jewish people se this blaring reality???
Thanks for your kind words.
As to your very salient question – why can’t Jews see what is before their eyes, even though highly intelligent – please read ‘The Oslo Syndrome:Delusions of a People Under Siege’ by Dr Kenneth Levin. It is one of the most intrinsic books on the subject. It explains the heretofore inexplicable.
It may help to read my blog commentary today – ‘What Will It Take For American Jews To Finally Realize What Barack HUSSEIN Obama Has In Store For America…AS Well As Israel?’.
Actually, Episcopalians – those few that are left – now vote like Puerot Ricans, or at least their leadership does. On the other hand, there’s hope that the Puerto Ricans may turn!
Perhaps the state is no longer “whither” the Jewish vote for Dems, but “wither.”
While we’re at it: why didn’t a secret cabal of conservative billionaires buy the L.A. Times and release that Khalidi tape?
Now, THAT would have beeen a surprise for any month of the year!
He knew what was in there (not that platforms are really that important)…hoped it would slip by. When he was called on it, his options were to ignore the backlash, amend the platform, or “correct the record” by making an unequivocal statement on the subject in his acceptance speech tonight. No doubt in my mind he had no intention of doing any such thing…and I’m still inclined to predict he won’t (having it back in the platform gives him cover again for not doing so). However, he may have painted himself into a corner where he’ll have to grit his teeth and spit it out. Not that that would mean anything if he was re-elected. As far as anti-Semitism goes, yes, a huge segment (sounded like a clear majority yesterday)of the Dem base are much softer on support for Israel than the GOP; the party is desperate to obfuscate this for purposes of retaining votes and contributions. I have to part company a little with Roger here though…SOME of those people are no doubt fully anti-Israel and even anti-Semitic (perhaps Obama among them), but some have reasoned (albeit wrongheaded) diplomatic ideas that are not really anti-Israel or certainly anti-Jewish in intent…and some are just idiots. But you’re really close to saying those who wanted Jerusalem out of the platform are crypto-Nazis. I think that is wrong…and in the American political context, it is truly not constructive.
If people paid attention they would have noticed that the Jumah Muslim crowd were scheduled to participate in the DNC. This may be the reason for the change in the platform. Remember what Obama wrote. If the political climate turns ugly then he will stand with the Muslims. Maybe this was at his direction and at the last moment his sanity returned. For Thursday they uncoupled from the Muslim demonstration and then they did a partial repair to the platform with the LA Mayor.
Heaven help us if we do not dump this clown at this election. This is our last chance to save our nation. Make sure you vote to save your children and grandchildren…
Villaraigosa was getting heat from SoCal Chicano Catholics to reinstate God. Jerusalem was the poor sister to the first question but happy beneficiary of the second.
It really is scary. I say this as a non-Jew with no personal ties to Israel- if you can’t look at the Israeli/Muslim conflict and tell who is the good guy and who is the bad guy, you have absolutely no moral compass. Hmmm do you side with the Muslims from Morrocco to the far east who teach hatred and violence and revenge to their children? Or do you side with a people who have built a successful country- advanced in tech, education, agriculture, and politics who are forced to defend themselves constantly from psychotic aggression? To put it even more starkly, do you side with those who pass out candies CELEBRATING when a family is stabbed to death in their sleep? Or do you side with the families of their victims? I don’t want anti-Israelis anywhere near the helm of my country.
Thank you for the beautiful example of moral clarity.
Amen!!
I think everyone has missed what that idiot in Palm Springs was actually saying, because it’s quite important. The Left has a new line, a form of Judo.
It goes like this:
Those who support the Right (such as it is) in Israel, and try to keep the US (Obama, in this case) from continuing to hold its hands around Israel’s throat to extract concessions, are the real enemies of Israel, because they keep Israel from making the concessions it needs to make peace.
This is the new “pro-Israel” line of the left, and it’s not only Jews who have fallen for it. Listen to him again, carefully, and you’ll see.
I agree.
The modern Left has taken the side of the Third World against the West. They see the West as having become successful only through oppression, colonialism, imperialism, and theft of natural resources from the Third World.
They don’t just side with the Palestinians against Israel. They just cheer on the developing world as it overtakes the developed world.
Winson Churchill on those who favored appeasing the Nazis- “Each one thinks if he feeds the crocodile, the crocodile will eat him last”
Israel, is an anethema to those who want to overthrow modernity, and it becomes more clear daily when we see and hear the hatred for the developed world by its enemies.
The United Nations is a perfect example. thugs,crooks,despots and corruption and criminality flourish and rule in what was once an august body with high ideals.
I was horrified seeing the fervor with which the anti-israel democratic party constituents displayed. I could see that the jewish core of the democratic party no longer exists or bring to bear the judeo-christian american legacy.
in any case, there was more in the original 2008 platform that protected israel, and that has been removed.
jeffersonian democracy is losing its currency. the west is soft and spineless, in the face of accusations of colonialism and privelege. accordingly, islam preaches to this and demands that in all fairness their 7th century savage ideology prevail. whether it is africa, india, europe, and the middle east, the muslims continue the slaughter.
also, not helping to stave off this horrific horde of barbarians from overhelming the democratic west of the enlightenment, are the world’s corporateers. who, similar to the french elite prior to the revolution, don’t seem to notice that americans are being run over by their carriage wheels.
and, why is all this rage placed on the doorstep of a tiny jewish nation, israel? because, they can.
CristobalGordo – very very well said. But WHERE are the Jewish leaders? I heard Alan Dershowitz yesterday, he was very upset with the Democrates and their platform, but he just said that Obama needs to mention his support for Israel etc in his speach…. Is he kidding? And great ol Ed Koch(former mayor of New york)how can they support this administration with everything they have done to embarace Israel and its’ leaders.
This is beyond logical – and this is not a game of support whoever wins. The Jewish state is on the verge of illimination – I see it and I am not a Jew!!! This is no longer an Israel-Palestinian-Iranian issue – Israel is being surrounded – literally and this administration is still playing around with non enforcable sanctions that are filled with waivers!!! Just like their healthcare program!!
May God help Israel because from this vantage point it dosent look like the Jews or the democrates will!
“Will Jews finally stop their slavish devotion to the Democratic Party and vote in their own interest?” The implication here is that American Jews perceive Israel’s welfare as part of their interest. Repeated polls show that most American Jews, particularly that majority that votes Democrat, put Israel way down on their list of political concerns. This is borne out by the fact that the large majority of such Jews have never visited Israel once in their lifetime, even though presumably most have traveled abroad–to other countries. Indeed, the liberal Jews I still know put abortion-on-demand, gay marriage, government-provided contraception, and keeping any trace of Christianity out of the public sphere as their top concerns. Roger Simon is right that one should try to talk to people and help them change if it’s at all possible–there’s nothing to lose; but there’s no reason to be optimistic. Jews so distant from any authentic religious or national components of Jewishness are mostly pretty much lost and part of another people. They’re ultraliberal Americans.
Obama got roughly 78 percent of the Jewish vote in 08. Current polling shows him now closer to tw- thirds. Maybe fifty-fifty is possible.
Even if so, I doubt it would last past this election.
Many of my Jewish friends seem to despise Israel. Many have no interest in visiting there. Some are among the angriest of the Angry Left. They live in the New York Times/NPR cultural bubble. They think all conservatives are worthy only of contempt.
I agree we should try to change minds, but it’s pretty hard when you live in alternate fact universes, and your friends just “know” Paul Ryan is a liar and so on.
Those angry left wing Jews are a self eliminating breed. They don’t have large families and the children they do have often do not recieve any cultural inheritance. The future of Judiasim world wide is with conservative zionists. All other branches get pruned one way or another. Afterall Reform Judaism started in the early 1800s. Anyone know any 6th generation Reforn jews?
The group in America we now call Jews is divided into:
1. Orthodox, a minority in this generation – still religious, still tied to Israel, still having children (60 % of the next generation come from this group)
and
2. various shades of liberal, the majority in this generation – not religious, not having children, not tied to Israel. Having lost Judaism, they don’t want to lose the Democratic party of their imagination.
and
3. Other – a small group of thinkers who have advanced to the problems of the next generation.
Victor: this mirrors my experience-
So we come again to the age-old question: Will Jews finally stop their slavish devotion to the Democratic Party and vote in their own interest?
answer NO most of them will not
b/c most do not see support of Israel as good thing- they want “social justice”. Making Fakestinian Muslims happy is more important to them than supporting fellow Jews in Israel – if they belong to any Jewish orgs they go to ones who twist the faith into Leftism. Oh Dershie after all this how can you still say you are a D?? If an intelligent informed person like him cannot open his eyes, what HOPE is there for the rest of Lefty Jews to switch?
the stormfront crowd keeps telling us that JEWS are responsible for communism, and sadly these Dem Jews are proving them right.
I have tried since before last election to cajole, convince, present facts and history- it is a losing battle- they cannot see what I see- they truly believe the Obummer is pro_Israel and even after this disgusting display proving that at least half of them despise Israel and or G-d, they will continue to think D party is for them. They hate I mean despise R’s – and I do see how murderous feelings they have could easily manifest into reality. There is no fib too huge for them to fall for- they buy the whole package being sold. And then on top of it, go upside down into backwards world- put Pinocchio noses on R & R.
whoever said it is largely a rejection of Judaism itself- after all Judaism is not pro gay or pro abortion and in my experience many times these people are still rebelling against their Jewish parents and schooling. Preferring instead the hippie/protestor culture which is now the MAN and mainstream.
For those Obama is the culmination of their dreams too- they WON- now look for revenge
The leftist Jews would vote for Hitler if he ran as a Democrat.
Old habits die hard, but eventually reality prevails. Actual Jews will come to recognize which party is the truer friend of Israel. On the other hand, those leftist “Jews” may be descended from Hebrews, but how Jewish they are is more doubtful. They are dialectical materialists; they revere Marx’s theories and Lenin’s methods. Moses is a mystifying fiction, the Law a reactionary restraint, the Spirit that moves over the waters a vaporous opiate.
But how long will it take for jews to realize what reality is? It’s clear the liberals support the murderers of civilians when they support Palestine.
If anyone read comments from liberals regarding the murder of the Fogel family last year they would see liberal moral relativism. “How many children have jews killed” was the typical response I saw.
And I think it was the slaughter (not even murder but slaughter) of the Fogel family that actually made me wonder why I cared about it anymore. The jews will back the type of people who defend the killers of a family. The youngest was 3 months, and the lefties didn’t care, they shrugged. “How many children have the jews killed” was echoing. I was disgusted at the murders, the liberals didn’t care or showed solidarity with the killers without acknowledging what was actually done, and jews support these liberals?
I don’t see why I make myself sick over the dead innocents like the Fogels, when the US jews support liberals, which means they’re undermining the US.
I totally agree. In the last 40 years liberals lost their ability to be shamed. Instead they are defiant in their vices and evils. So, when something outrageous (like the Fogel slaughter) they don’t seem to have any problem defending the indefensable.
I usually just sit there stunned at how easily they afre able to justify this in their minds. It makes no sense unless they are truly souless devils.
I agree with you, Dr. John, 100 percent.
Roger, I’m a non-Jew too, and I can’t imagine what it must feel like to think that so many of my fellow Jews are the way Dr. John describes them.
What was it Mark Twain said, “You can choose your friend but you can’t choose your relatives”?
I hope the Romney-Ryan team make this an issue that won’t go away.
An Préachán
I, nom de guerre Dr. John, am a Jew living in Israel, having moved here from the U.S. In Israel, Jews who (like me) aren’t too religious have the national dimension to keep them authentically Jewish. Most American Jews don’t have much of either the religious or national dimension. Like most highbrow, very secular people (these Jews might drop into a Reform synagogue, where they hear that Judaism is essentially left-liberalism), they’re left-liberal–attracted to leftist ideas of secular malleability and perfectibility because they’ve abjured roots. So I can understand how they got how they are, though, I admit, it remains distressing and frustrating.
Dr. John – Well thought and well wrote. The many U.S. Jews who support the D’s (perhaps 65 to 75%) do not think or act very seriously on behalf of the security of either the U.S. or Israel. They live in affluent suburban or upper-class urban bubbles. This biggest “fear” is that adopting an un-PC idea such as advocating for serious response to enemies such as the government of Iran will make them unpopular.
Quite right, I say.
Well, look at blacks. Which party freed them from slavery?
Which party keeps them disarmed (gun control was basically a Jim Crow law) in big cities with high murder rates?
Which party wants them to keep going to lousy public schools, rather than vouchers letting them go to decent ones?
Yet they still keep voting Democrat and I’m afraid Jews will as well.
Condoleezza Rice has written about how her father and other men of their Birmingham, Alabama neighborhood carried shotguns and patrolled at night to keep the neighborhood safe after the Church bombing. They knew Bull Connor would have confiscated their guns if he could.
Roger, I’m not Jewish, so please explain to what Jews mean by “Never again.”
This American thought its meaning was categorical — never again would a horrible thing be tolerated, whatever cost.
However, judging by the temporizing and rationalizing of the American, European, and Israeli Jewry, it seems more nuanced, more craven, approximating something like “Again? We should be so lucky. How could it hurt?”
I believe it mean “never again will we passively allows a Holocaust to be visited upon the Jewish people.” It does not mean they undertake the mission to stop all atrocities everywhere, nor does it necessarily mean that they will be able to prevent a second Holocaust. It is a promise to do everything possible to prevent another Holocaust, and go down fighting if it becomes inevitable – but never again to passively submit.
By his 20 year attendance in Jeromy Wright’s so-called church, by his saying “The Arabic Call to Prayer is the most beautiful sound on Earth”, by his celebrating Ramadan in the White House, by his 2009 speech in Cairo praising Islam, by his call to go back to the pre 1967 war borders, by his giving the Muslim Brotherhood and their auxiliaries entrance to the White House, the State Department and even the military, by his deep bowing to the Saudi King – By each of these things Obama’s calling is plainly revealed. That all united should fail to enlighten the competent inquirer is almost inconceivable.
The tradition of marking Ramadan in the White House was started by … George W Bush. It seems certain “conservative” Republicans after 9/11 were whispering in his ear “Islam is a Religion of Peace. We should show how much we respect them.” Muslims however take this craven appeasement as a sign of dhimmitude. Obama is carrying on the tradition, but as part of a larger program of “outreach” to the Arab and Muslim world, and despite the fact that it’s yielding no positive results.
Are you sure, I think it was Clinton, not Bush II.
I can cut Bush alot of slack if he did start it. Bush was trying to convice muslims he was not starting a new crusade. Osama bin Laden was popular with muslims (al quida hadn’t started killing as many muslims in those early days of the war). And liberals and the media were showing they were on the side of the mass murdering jihadists.
Bush had to fight a war with his hands tied behind his back in ways no others have had to deal with.
“Religion of peace” in the traditional Islamic meaning is this: as long as you don’t accept Islam, you will be tormented. The only way to get peace in your daily life is to accept Islam. It is the “religion of peace” in the same sense that Islamic lands are “the house of peace” — and all other lands are “the house of war”.
Look it up! Or ask a Zoroastrian about it.
It is obvious that Obama, although an atheist, was raised and considers himself ETHNICALLY Muslim. In addition, he absorbed the fashionable left-wing anti-Semitism of his atheist grandparents and his adoptive habitat in Chicago.
Obama’s psyche is ravaged by deep but concealed hatreds, due to his abandonment by his father and his mother.
We must consider the real possibility that Obama positively desires the PHYSICAL ANNIHILATION of the State of Israel, in a way similar to Hitler (another atheist who had his private demons to feed).
Even conservative media have been stunningly quiet about Obama’s claim for a CONTIGUOUS “palestinian” state:
“The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and CONTIGUOUS state,” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2723658/posts
A man can be Jew or Christian, or he can be an Obama supporter, but he can’t legally be Jew or Christian, and be an Obama supporter … except in the usual way: one of the two with the mouth, the other with the heart. The spirit of Judaism and Christianity proclaim the survival of Israel and the meaning of that has no longer been left to guesswork, but made tremendously definite … the Jew and the Christian must fight all who would commit or enable another genocide or enslavement of the Jews or of Christians. That is the spirit and the law of Judaism and Christianity.
Well, Obama has his beliefs and actions and it is a perfectly definite set, there is no vagueness about it. He commands that the Jew and Christian bow to the Muslim at every turn they do him hurt or threaten him and his children with death. Word it as softly as you please, the spirit of Obama is the spirit of the evil shadowed specter of the Beast of Austria insidiously billowing in and building and building to ever more horrific heights. The moment there is a question about a boundary line or a building or some Muslim somewhere complaining about any matter, see Obama rise, and see him spit at the Jew and the Christian from the corner of his twisted mouth. The spirit of Obama being in its nature narcissistic and selfish — it is in the man’s line, it comes natural to him — he can fully live up to all of the teachings of Jeremiah Wright and even of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad; for the spirit of Judaism and of Christianity are entirely impossible to him.
Among African Americans, Christianity and Islam are not distinct. The congregation of Reverend Wright’s church where the Obama and his family worshiped for twenty years is programatically Muslim-friendly and includes Muslims among its members. Worship at Farrakhan’s mosque is plainly Southern Baptist in tone.
The religion of the Wrights and the Farrakhans and their followers ain’t Christianity and it ain’t Islam. Its Chrislam–religious jazz you make up as you go along depending on what feels good.
Among SOME African Americans. You just aren’t allowed to see any God fearing, Israel loving African American Christians because it destroys the narrative. I’ve sat around a table with a real African, a Mexican, and a former Muslim, Indonesian expatriate and we’ve joyously shared out experiences, and prayed together as Christian men. We all love our wives, our children, and our Lord. African American Christians who, like Feral Cat said, follow the leftist state with their heart, and Christianity with their mouth, hate those African Americans for whom Christianity trumps race.
Rik, from what I have seen in all my years, African-Americans who let anything trump race are given a hard time.
The intersection of Wright and Farrakhan and their following flock is Black Liberation Theology, a theology founded by James Cone that uses religon to hid a Marxist agenda.
And is based on hatred (of white Europeans)….and their civilization.
You know who was booing, Roger, and it wasn’t liberal or even entirely unaffiliated Jews. African Americans and Jews reached a parting of the ways some years ago. Most Jews are simply unwilling to acknowledge it.
You’re absolutely right that most blacks hate Jews. Even further, we all know for certain now that most blacks hate whites. And I would say that most blacks hate “Hispanics”, too (whatever that term is supposed to mean). In fact, I have concluded that black people are driven by the same mindless, murderous rage that animates the Moslems of the world. Blacks have become the most bigoted, hateful, racist ethnic group in this country today.
African American race-baiters routinely present African Americans as part of a larger group of non-whites sharing the same grievances. This is a palpable falsehoods. Hispanics reject this convenient bundling. So do many Native Americans who feel that their history and their grievances are ignored by whites falling all over themselves to make reparations for the antebellum enslavement of Africans that most of their ancestors had no part in. Asians find their comparison to blacks laughable.
Hispanics are industrious, hard working people whose embrace of American values is plainly demonstrated in the way they conduct their daily lives. Hispanics hustle where African Americans sleepwalk. Hispanic small business owners are entirely common; African American small business owners are rare. Hispanic men take their family responsibilities seriously and participate in the rearing of their children; African American men abandon their wives and children to the care of the American taxpayer. Inevitably,small business employers when they are hiring overwhelmingly prefer Hispanic employees over African American employees.
It is dismal African American culture rather than skin tone that that keeps African Americans at the bottom of the economic ladder. The preference for idly whining about grievances far in the past rather than working hard to improve conditions in the present is what hobbles African Americans.
After four years in office, Obama still blames George Bush for his failures; a hundred and fifty years after emancipation, African Americans still blame their failures on white people. It is precisely this inability by African Americans to assume responsibility for their own condition that makes them permanently dependent.
I heard the boo’s too. I do believe that they came from the black faces in the audience. The work of the Jesse Jacksons, Al Sharptons and Sheila Jackson Lees is coming home to roost. The have successfully led the black community into a world of convenient dependency. They will live to see the hispanic community eclipse them in prominance and accomplishment. Name just one thing the black community has accomplished in the last 10 years that bettered themselves? With their dependent attitude and victimhood outlook, they never will.
How many black people do you know? The majority of black Americans are not in poverty. Which is another way of saying they are gainfully employed! As I assume you are. Those I have encountered are much like me, hard working, with a family, in a stable long term marriage. I question the idea that the Black community is a monolith. And, so should you. They and we are not all the same.
Re: Hispanic work ethic.
Hmm. When was the last time you saw an Hispanic pan handler? Or one that wasn’t sending half of his or her gross income home (including the handouts we force on all the poor)? Granted, you can’t have a welfare / forced redistributionist state and open borders, but I’d trade the first for the latter – imagine how wealthy we would become, including the least of us.
Jews represent the northern money that financed the southern cotton industry and, thus, enabled slavery. Whites represent the free flow of welfare money. The old expression “don’t bite the hand that feeds you” came into being because nobody likes being utterly dependent on others. You dance to their tune or you don’t get your daily bread. What we’re seeing is the rage of utter helplessness. Congrats to the Democrats for creating slaves with virtual shackles that bind tighter than those of iron.
Who’s to blame for the helplessness? You, who attached the chains and eagerly entered into a lifetime of slavery, or me, who shows you what benefits freedom offers? Why I am, it’s silly to think you’d blame yourself for the outcome of your poor choices.
“Jews represent the northern money that financed the southern cotton industry and, thus, enabled slavery”
Only to the ignorant, like that brain-dead Congresswoman who thought the Dutch were practicing slavery in Brooklyn in 1898. The Jewish population in the US was very, very small before the Civil War, and certainly didn’t “represent” finance or banking at the time.
I can’t fault your logic but it’s like bringing a knife to a gun fight. If I create a phony victims group, and modern Blacks are phony victims, then I’m also going to create a phony victimizer group and I’m going to pick the least likely and least powerful phony victimizer that I can find. People with real power would come after me if I laid bogus charges at their feet but powerless people can’t do anything but meekly protest and look bewildered.
Problems with real victims and real victimizers can be fixed, problems with phony victims and phony victimizers can never be solved because the “victimizer” didn’t create the “problem” and has no way to get absolution. And, the longer the phony victimizer fails to get absolution the more evil they become. Phony victims and phony victimizers make for generations of political mischief because once started they can only be stopped by the phony victims since everybody else is automatically in bed with the victimizer. In other words, it’s up to Blacks to save themselves from the slave-holding Democratic Party.
Indeed, the largest population of Jews in the US at the time of the Late Unpleasantness was in Charleston, SC.
The idea that American Jews in the time of the Civil War or before controlled much of anything or had any real financial influence is just an anti-semitic historical revision made fresh again.
Identity Politics is what it is. It isnt any prettier when practiced by minorites than when practiced by Neo-Nazis and White Nationalists.
Im surprised that Emanuel Cleaver’s speech where he praised divisive tribalist Identity Politics didnt get more coverage. One wonders if he would welcome the White Nationalists to his Identity Politics wonderland. Would the Feminists welcome the Masculinists to the fold?
In fact, if you check the voting records in Congress, the Congressional Black Caucus has cast many anti-Israel votes.
Black anti-Semitism is so explosive a topic that no one dares to raise it on TV.
Indeed. It is widespread (dare I say the majority opinion amongst AA’s) and fully mainstream. I remember the venerated Andrew Young discussing Jewish shopkeepers who prey on African Americans in the hood, price gouging and treating customers with suspicion and contempt. Leaching off of the black community, exploiting them. Instead black owned businesses should be supported.
Imagine white nationalists espousing that viewpoint.
” Not that the Democratic Party is the equivalent of the Nazi Party, even remotely. I won’t indulge in that game.’
Maybe you won’t, but I will. The similarities are now more pronounced than remote. Obama sat in an anti-Semites “church” for longer than Hitler himself ever did and Barack Hussein Obama’s ideology is strikingly similar to Benito Mussolini’s.
I know, it’s getting harder and harder everyday to restrain the need to point out the obvious because of fear of the argument being looked at as invalid because you’ve invoked Godwin. As Savage said on the radio, “You fools. You though when Hitler returned he’d be wearing a Swastika.”
Yeah – Even Hitler didn’t start out being Hitler. Germans didn’t particularly want to kill their Jews. But their ally the Grand Mufti did.
The dems have already allied themselves with islam. Don’t think those whispers haven’t already been heard. Do you think it’s a coincidence that worldwide the leftists already think (though they won’t say it out loud) that if only Israel where to cease to exist the whole world would be a better place.
It’s 1933 alright, and the alarmist who saw the writing on the wall back then were called nutjobs, too.
FeralCat,
I agree the Democrats, and liberals, are basically facist in nature now. Many liberals really are like Nazis. Look at the treatment of Palins son who has Down Syndrome, especially Wonkette’s (they since scrubbed the site over the uproar). While liberal claim compassion they show their real colors when it comes to a special needs child.
But facists, really, aren’t that far off from Nazi. Both try to control other people’s lives, destroy those for merely disagreeing with them, and kill political enemies. The nazis just focused on the jews more then the communists.
“(By the way, mentioned not once in Bill Clinton’s speech? Israel. I wonder why.)”
If you really do wonder why, I suggest you read a fine article by Roger L Simon titled, “Jerusalem Debacle at the DNC: Whither the Jewish Vote?”. Read that and you will wonder no longer.
indulging in a bit of coy irony, I’d say.
As to his question about the Jewish vote, the only thing that might cause a significant shift, say to a majority vote against Obama and the Dems, would be four more years of Obama, and I think even if Obama did his worst regarding Israel in that second term, it would be doubtful.
Yes, I am that cynical. My co-religionists cannot be counted on to use common sense any longer, I’m afraid.
To the Democrats, as usual. The power of Jewish denial can be very strong, alas.
Alas, I think the Jews will never learn. It will take they’re beloved devilcrats to load them on the trains, and to leave them inside the gates of the camp, before they begin to realize who they are supporting. What a shame…
The history of democratic presidents over time, try Carter, Clinton, and now Obama shows a steady migration towards anti-semitism. This is clear and at each stage in this evolution they have become increasingly open and brazen in their embrace of the enemy and their contempt for Israel. Obama in particular, who above all things is a serial liar, having gotten away with his mendacity continues to SAY all the right things and then gladly will disrespect the prime minister of Israel, pronounce that Jerusalem is NOT the capital of Israel, suggest right of return is fine, back to 67 land status, Hamas and Hezbullah are just misunderstood. He gets away with it and Hillary does too. After all Huma is now off limits so it is cool to have the young queen of the Muslim Brotherhood riding shotgun with the Secretary of State. This is like Theodore Dexter White (communist spy) after WWII serving as Assistant Secretary to FDR and attending all the key conferences on post war treaties. Yawn enough of this boring stuff. Didn’t BJ Clinton look cool last night?
I believe you mean Harry Dexter White.
I believe that American Jews are anti-Semetic. They don’t have a problem with the destruction of Israel, which they and the Left see as a small America in the Middle East, and thus a target for destruction. American Jews are a key part of the revolution that is now underway and is successfully dismantling America as it was founded. This same revolution intends to destroy Israel. And American Jews say, “how can I help?”
Well, this American Jew will be up shortly after the hour of the wolf on Sunday morning and on her way to help the Republican Jewish Coalition change some minds in the hotly contested state of Pennsylvania. Like Roger, I changed the tradition of a lifetime – only I did it twice, finding first Torah and then conservatism (which follows as the night the day). When you’re a tiny minority of a tiny minority, that’s when you start feeling your strength and taking it as far as it’ll go, and I have no intention of writing off most of my community as lost! Breitbart Is Here…
As a Christian, who is very happy that you have discovered both Torah and conservatism, I sincerely hope and pray that the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob … and Jesus bless you and keep you. Shalom!
Even if most of that booing was about of Jerusalem, there’s no question that conditions for ‘it’ happening to Jews here, or Christians too, involve a burgeoning climate of godless moral relativity and over-emotional group-think where the Judeo-Christian God is shoved out of every nook and cranny of public life/discourse and progressive, atheist group consciousness flows in hot waves across the entitled American psyche. Isn’t that what happened in Germany?
As government becomes the Santa Claus god of people who want more and more from it and have lost the ability and will for critical thinking and self-discipline, it’s not unreasonable to think ‘it’ could happen. But I pray never play out more than the disgrace we saw last night at the convention.
Just for know’in, at this very moment American forces are on the ground, in the air and on the waters conducting joint military exercises with the Egyptian military. Details at jihadwatch.org.
I suppose that’s why
Exclusive: U.S. Scales Back Military Exercise with Israel, Affecting Potential Iran Strike
Roger – Unfortunately, too many of my co-religionists seem to have scales on their eyes, and refuse to see the Democrat Party for what it is: A group of Leftists who are becoming anti-Israel if not antisemitic. I am sure, the boos at the convention will do little to change the minds of many Jews. Indeed, I have a cousin (we both attend the same Orthodox synagogue) who has written (and gotten published) many pro-Israeli letters in various publication; yet, when I asked if he would vote for Romney, he told me: “I won’t vote for your man or your party.” When I told, that his writing those letters and then voting for Obama are inconsistent, he blew up at me. This is just one example of the kind of blindness some Jews, even very bright ones, have about the Democrat Party. As I said elsewhere on PJM: What it will take for the scales to fall from the eyes of Jews, Obama A-bombing Jerusalem?
The reason why Jews don’t vote Republican, is that they’re VERY suspicious of the Christian evangelicals and Southern Baptists who are so powerful in the GOP.
Historically, in nations where devout Christians ran the government any way they wanted, Jews didn’t do well: The Inquisition, the Russian pogroms, etc.
Plus, evangelicals in America seem intent on converting others to Christianity. That scares Jews, whose European ancestors faced that threat as well.
Jews embraced secularism because they thought that a government that wasn’t guided by Christian fundamentalism wouldn’t persecute them. That’s why Jews feel more comfortable around atheists than around Southern Baptists or Christian evangelicals.
sinz54 – Let me answer in two ways. The first is that Christians in America seem to me to be fundamentally different from Christians in Europe. I think that is because the Christians in America are Americans, and it is the American exceptionalism that has made them different. Secondly, I would note that it is apparent, at least to me, that it is the atheistic Leftists who are becoming hostile to Israel and to Jews, and not the Christian Right, or others on the Right. It would seem to me that Jews should take note of this, as I have, and realize on what side they can find friends (and BTW the side most comptabile with the entrepreneurial spirit that Jews have). Alas, this has not happened.
Historically, the countries that treated Jews the worst had overthrown Christianity, just as the American Left seeks to: the Soviet Union, the Reich, et cetera. Try again.
DaveP. I agree that Jews have more to fear today from the left than from the right, and that the Democrats are abandoning what used to be America’s bipartisan support for Israel. But you are overlooking centuries of persecution by Christians in Europe, including the Roman Catholic church, the Eastern Orthodox churches, and the Church of England.
Even here in the US, the philosemitic attitude you find today among many Christians is a relatively recent phenomena. When I was a kid in the 1950′s, I rarely got call a dirty Jew, but when I was called that (or worse), it was never by Nazis, communists or secularists; they were Catholic or protestant, and church goers at that.
“Gentlemen’s Agreement” written in the late 1940s, was a novel but the author based it on her experiences. You might be surprised what was commonly accepted then. Some of these things persisted decades after they were banned by law. There were camps my parents could not go to as kids, jobs they could not apply for as adults, hotels (this was in 1975) that were suddenly ‘booked up’ for weddings when they heard our last name — and before they heard the range of dates we had in mind , colleges that limited the number of Jews they would take, and suburbs where it was illegal for them to buy a house.
Yeah, things have changed. But you won’t get people to change old attitudes by pretending that there was never a problem.
Hey, I agree with you–but I’m telling you that’s how Jews feel. Typically they don’t regard devout Christians as their allies.
Historically, European Jews were leftist for precisely that reason: They thought secularism would be a defense against any more religiously-inspired persecutions.
Ergo, anybody who sees the vast majority of Jews as hostile to European Christians, Christianity, and Christendom is not a raving Anti-Semite…but rather just a pedestrian observer of reality.
sinz54 – We are no longer in Europe, we are in America, and America is different. Jews must get to understand that, at least those who Jews who will continue to identify with Judaism.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/anti-christian-hate-speech-spews-from-the-palm-beach-democratic-chair/
The inquisition happened because of 300 years of islamic oppression. When they threw the yoke off ALL “others” had to go. Jews just got caught up in that – as did Christians of other ilks.
As for Christians trying to convert people – we HAVE to ask. It’s our job. We can’t MAKE people Christians. That has to be their CHOICE. And remember – the first Christians were Jews. It was THEY who converted us gentiles.
Jews – observant Jews – are still G_d’s chosen people. The Covenant was forever and G_d isn’t a liar. Secular/atheist Jews are not in that Covenant.
Bout time someone fessed up to the Jewish Anti-Christianism that drives Jewish support for Marxism….which is the most powerful challenge to Christendom, undermining, subverting and disempowering Christendom.
I personally welcome this new development. The 800 lb gorilla is now being talked about openly. It is the first step, acknowledging the problem.
look, an 800 lb jewish gorilla’s in the room, that’s the problem, and it’s been right here all along
Lets get one thing clear. There is plenty of blame to go around. However the small (but influential) Jewish minority which is largely supportive of and often leaders of this Marxist hostility to European Christendom is responsible for their own actions and should be held accountable for them….just as other groups that they ally with and the European Left should be. Political Correctness be damned.
9 times out of 10, when I encounter a Jew in non-traditional garb in the US, they are the political enemies of European Christendom. And Im supposed to treat them like my bestest friends or Im some kind of monster. Sorry, Im not a self hating fool.
Christians provoked this, by their entirely false charge that the Jews killed Jesus. For centuries, Christians stigmatized Jews as “Christ killers.”
And there are still some Christians–even in America–who believe this. They are most likely to believe in Biblical inerrancy, since there is stuff in the Gospels that seems to confirm this charge.
Christian scholars who challenge the literal truth of the Gospels, however, believe that the early Christians made this charge for political reasons: To help them ingratiate themselves with the Romans (and perhaps convert them to Christianity), and to differentiate themselves from the Jews.
I dont deny the ugly history that leads to that hostility. It doesnt change that hostility as a political reality. Same with blacks and other minority groups. Empowering minorities in our institutions who hate European Christendom only leads to our self destruction, as we can clearly see. It’s payback time. Diversity promotion, open borders indiscriminate third world immigration, affirmative action to hasten the transformation of our institutions control to those who hate us via preferred hiring and promotion, wealth redistribution to minorities domestically, and to the third world globally.
It’s why Israeli’s have the common sense not to allow the Right of Return, hold onto land ownership via discriminatory real estate policies in the private sector, and exclude politically hostile minorities from sensitive positions, like military command.
Here, you said it yourself sinz54…
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Actually, I predicted it 40 years ago.
Because I saw the new rhetoric and rationale being offered by the New Left. It was a lot less about economic socialism and a lot more about multiculturalism.
Everything the New Left was delving into, was non-Western or even anti-Western: From Buddhism and Native American mysticism to black Muslims, everything about it was about siding with non-Western peoples against the West.
It was inevitable that the Left would hook up with Arab Muslims (particularly the Palestinians).
September 6, 2012 – 3:07 pm
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The problem is, the vast majority of American Jewry are one of these hostile (Anti European-Christendom) groups. I wish it werent so but there it is.
What has happened is that the Left has turned on Israel in the same manner that it has European-Christendom. Delegitimizing it and demonizing it, for the purpose of it’s destruction and in it’s place will be built the New multicultural third world Jerusalem….Utopia.
The charge can also be made that Jews drew first blood since they dragged Christians from their homes and stoned them to death as heretics.
It’s time to get over it and look at today’s reality. American Christians are about the only allies the Jewish people have. It’s not us that is covering up muslim attacks against Jews in this country (something I find unacceptable).
BTW, Christian Conservatives support secular government, just one that they may participate in fully. Not a radical secularism. They support Freedom of Religion, not From Religion. They support Separation of Church and State, in it’s original form….a separation of organizations, not a separation of religion from informing legislation and public policy. They support free expression by individual Christians within public institutions.
But alas…
Lol.
Jack – I think I have previously commented on PJM about a fellow congregant at my Orthodox shul (a mensch) whose auto bumper features both a Golan is part of Israel” sticker and a Obama 2012 sticker.
By the way, I’ll be volunteering for the Republican (RJC) get out the vote efforts in the heavily Jewish suburbs of Philadelphia this week.
“That is why I cannot believe that Barack Obama (or his clone Valerie Jarrett) did not approve the platform in advance.”
Politico reports a source confirming that Obama reviewed the platform language and expressed no reservations prior to its adoption by the Platform Committee and the convention.
Generally, I don’t particularly trust Politico and its unnamed & uncorroborated sources; I consider its reporting next of kin to mere gossip. So take this report for what it’s worth.
I just want to make clear that the linked Politico story did contain the following language when I first posted it:
“Obama had seen the language prior to the convention, a campaign source said, but did not seek to change it until after Republicans jumped on the omissions of God and Jerusalem late Wednesday.”
Politico has now walked back the statement by simply re-writing the sentence, without noting the editorial change. It now reads:
“While the campaign at first said Obama had seen the language prior to the convention, it later said he did not learn of the issue until Wednesday morning, when he became aware of seeing news coverage of the issue.”
I found this out only be reading John Nolte’s piece at Breitbart: Floor Fight Cover Up. Read his full analysis.
A clear statement that Obama had reviewed and failed to object to the platform language has become an ambiguous statement of conflict over whether he did or did not do so.
As I said in my original comment: Don’t trust Politico.
A clear statement that Obama had reviewed the platform language and failed to object has become an ambiguous statement as to whether or not he’d done so.
As for Obama loving Jews, you can either believe what you hear or your own lying eyes! I am constantly amazed, stunned, in fact, that the Jewish vote goes to someone who obviously, openly, has sympathies for the Muslims. Take a look at his early years and the influences on him and if for that reason and no other, wise up.
I’d like to ask two questions:
(1) Roger considers Mark Alan Siegel a bizarre character and certainly he expresses his bigotry with anger, vehemence and, well, outright hatred. But is a more modulated fear and loathing of Christians, especially those of a “fundamentalist” or evangelical stripe, widespread among Jews?
(2) I’ve heard Jews say “you can’t be a Good Jew” if you do X or say Y. Is the belief widespread among Jews that you can’t be a “Good Jew” without being a liberal and a Democrat and voting accordingly?
These questions are meant sincerely. If the answers to these questions are “yes,” then these seem substantial though not insuperable barriers to increasing the Jewish vote for not only Romney/ Ryan, but also conservatives and Republicans generally. And if so, overcoming these barriers is where the focus of the efforts Roger prescribes should be.
Chiperoo – I can’t answer the first question, but I can the second, and it is not true.
Thank you. As I said, I really want to know the answers.
Based on my experiences (see certain comments below vvv), I think the answer to #1 is yes. It’s not that hard to understand, when you consider the history of Jews in Europe over the past 1000 years. In fact, it’s startling to hear that many Jews are more upset about the Crusades than the Holocaust.
There’s a Jewish joke that goes something along the lines of the generic Jewish holiday can be summed up with “they tried to kill us, they failed, let’s eat”. In truth, most of the Jewish holidays do follow the narrative of persecution and survival by the grace of God. That is so central to the religious/ethnic narrative that it’s become defining.
When you understand this, you understand that there’s a built-in expectation of persecution. It’s so ingrained, they don’t know how to resolve any reality that doesn’t follow the narrative. I think this is undergirding a lot of this ostensibly irrational behavior; it’s as if persecution is supposed to happen, and something is wrong with the cosmos if it doesn’t happen.
So the ethos becomes, make hay while the sun shines, because being persecuted and driven out is as inevitable as winter’s snows. So far, looking back on the history of the past millennium, that fits. Of course, the State of Israel changes all of this. For the first time in two millenia, Jews has a sovereign land, and a means to exert some control over their own destiny, without being at the mercy of others. Many Jews are uncomfortable with this, because the old narrative no longer applies.
See how all the pieces fit together?
snork — You’re channeling Shalom Auslander with your statement, “they tried to kill us, they failed, let’s eat”.
The answer to the first question is without a doubt, yes.
Read Michael Medved’s submission in the Why Are Jews Liberals : A Symposium by Commentary Magazine.
BTW, the heavily Jewish Palm Beach where that Anti-Christian DNC head is from, gave us this gem…
Town Says ‘No’ to Nativity Scene, ‘Yes’ to Menorah
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,106123,00.html
Those tolerant Jews are just fighting for universal human rights and equality, dont ya know!
It’s not the Jews who are of interest to the “Democrats”. Is not now and never has been. It’s the Jews’ money. Without the individual and corporate financial contributions to this party the “democrats” would have to live up to their name and rely on the people. Their disdained and dismissed little people on whom they can depend for their votes. The people who “always vote democrat”.
That many, too many? Jews are among those who “always vote democrat” is odd given the 20th century history of the “Democrats” and of the Jews.
Those of you in showbiz know that Timing is everything, Go back in recent US
history to aftermath of the two world wars in which America was embroiled. Not only in the creation of the League of Nations, but the United Nations which both ceded the independence of the US to a non-elected international body. Both bodies even now deciding, with American presidential and congressional acquiescence,decisions of specifically American interests. To establish unaccountable power over “The Lives of Others” take decisions out of the hands of the others. Thus “never let a crisis go to waste” in CHANGING the DNA the double helix of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of WE The People.
Both these creations of “Democratic” presidents with their supporters in Congress. Accepted without effective protest from citizens of the US.
Then in 1957 the Soviet Union triumphantly launched Sputnik. Many on the ground in Eastern Europe feared this as the shot across the bow of World War III.
BUT the first election after that launching brought into the federal government – after a tainted vote count in Chicago – a political dynasty
elected with ballyhoo of the friends in the Media, now with their wizard’s wand TV,for the “Democratic Party”. The head of that dynasty began a war in Asia, escalated by his successor, both Democrats.
That war, with a lot of help from friends in the propaganda media pitted citizens against citizens. During which special groups, college students and professors, were exempted from a military draft to which not so privileged young American males were held with penalties in law if non-compliant. One of the exempted later President for the Democratic Party despite having fled to England for the duration of the war.
This FIRST “affirmative action” created a group of citizens with special rights/privileges in law. A move specifically in principle, ethos and law disallowed in the USA. After that war this first “affirmative action” law was developed and extended to include other groups of their choosing.
I repeat. Creating a group of people with special rights and privileges in law.
Action specifically disallowed in ethos, principle and law of the USA.
Jews individually and corporately didn’t seem to notice, or care, about the singling out of groups in law. They continued and continue to support the political party creating these laws. Intelligent, highly cultured, savvy Jews.
Perhaps like those in Germany in the decades just prior to WW II who continued to HOPE similar such laws did not apply to them. Perhaps even the parents of those with tatoos as remembrance of things past of Auschwitz etc.
As long as the money was flowing to the democratic party coffers Jews were among the “chosen”. But now money in massive amounts is pouring into their coffers from other semitic and asiatic cultural and national leaders. Legally?Money from Jews is increasingly less persuasive for policy decisions.
Israel anyone.
It was NEVER Jews. They are too small a number in the population to swing any election. It was ALWAYS their money Their money that supported the Media and many of the liberal arts and politics faculties/professors. Especially
in the elite universities that had had quotas for admissions of Jews, as they had had quotas for Americana of African descent and females.And they ante-ed up.
AND they voted for persons known to be criminal in thought and deed,
too sophisticated to respect laws, morals and behavioural restraints of mortals. Or to behave with discretion Instead sneering their contempt in the faces of the values and principles of the little people they so despise. Their demos. Did Jews believe themselves exempt from their contempt when no longer needed by them?
Just to correct the commentor’s statement about quotas:
numbers were established on the least amount of Jews ALLOWED to enter universities, colleges, medical schools and the ivy leagues in particular.
not, in any regard, the same as quotas establishing participation of blacks, women,etc. connected to government funding.
Of course you are correct. The result and presumable intention was rather than include as quota FOR admission to exclude FROM admission except in numbers, if at all, acceptable to the people who decide such things.
The overt anti-Israeli feelings on the left overseas has been showing itself at least since the Six-Day War in 1967, while its domestic counterpart has been growing since Labor lost its grip on full control of the government there in 1977. The bad feelings between Begin and Carter foreshadowed the same attitude now between Obama and Netanyahu, and only the fear of losing both Jewish votes in key swing states and major donations keeps that hatred from becoming official part of the current administration’s policy.
That might be the one mitigating circumstance for Jews to remain part of the Democratic Party — the hatred seen in Wednesday’s floor vote is only tamped down because of what the party leaders think they can get out of their Jewish voting block. Drop the vote total below 50 percent or cut the campaign donations to where they have far less importance for the party, and the people in the far left faction aren’t going to do any introspection on what they did wrong. They’re just going to lash out with their usual anger, minus whatever self-restraint they have right now towards criticizing the Jewish state.
People like Debbie Wasserman Schultz of course, would simply smile and lie if party representatives started sounding like Vanessa Redgrave at the Oscars 34 years ago, since in her mind the Dems are the home team and their players can do no wrong. But it is scary to contemplate the idea that an election cycle or two from now, we could have one political party where the majority of key delegates see nothing wrong with acting like the Muslim Brotherhood in front of millions of other Americans, especially since there are a lot of others with DWS’s mindset out there who would blindly go along with whatever the party’s position is.
Again, very perceptive. American Jews know they can rely on the Christian Zionists and American Conservatives to staunchly support Israel, and so can take them for granted. Whilst bolstering support for Israel in the Democrat Leftist Party, via monetary and voting support, whilst simultaneously supporting Anti-Christendom policy and agenda.
It is truly inspired. Isnt it?
Of course in the long run, everyone will hate American Jews, given that ploy.
excuse me but the R’s “help” on the peace process was not an improvement on Carter’s – it was just more of the same- give land, get bombs
same.
no difference except lip service
anyone remember Grover Norquist Bush’s bestie? the one stuffing the party with Muslims? pitching the “religion of peace” lie
Jews are hated. That part you got right no matter which side they take. Damned if we do or don’t- collectively slandered by BOTH sides.
Fundy Christians want Israel for themselves not for JEWS- who they think need perfecting like Ann Coulter said-
and big news- Jews are divided- have been ever since the story began- some worshiped the golden calf- others listened to the Voice at Sinai- some fought the Romans, some tried to appease them, others die, others switched to the New Testramnet
No – “fundies” don’t want Israel for ourselves. Nor do we wish to convert you (you believing in and accepting the gift of Christ is up to you). Our support is logical and in the interest of our own self preservation – i.e. “those that bless you will I bless and those that curse you will I curse.”
Simple math to us……
Speaking from a Catholic perspective, we’ll stick up for you because we stand or fall together. Any time one of us is persecuted (when we’re not doing it to each other, anyway), the other is soon persecuted, too. Catholics first and Jews second, or Jews first and Catholics second makes little difference; the tyrants want both of us dead.
It doesn’t matter how in the pockett of the dems the Jews are when they come for them, your name and heritage will trump everything, harvy weinstein and the rest of the big jewish obama donors.
Of course 0bama approved the platform, they wouldn’t do anything without it, after all chicago politics, dontcha know?
What Obama knows is: He won the Jewish vote in 2008 with ? on his Muslim ties, he has been supported throughout his presidency by the Jewish people, even when he was instigating and funding Arab spring, and now with his newest slap in the face, no Jerusalem capitol for Israel he is still blindly followed by the Jewish population.
He knows that he will win their vote again, even with his hatred towards them.
It is OK to say you were wrong, and vote against your enemy.
Remember, only a few will be in charge and Obama is padding his nest. No room for the rest of us, Jewish people included.
I’m sure there are many smart people among liberal Jews, and many honest people, but not both: smart AND honest.
Todays’Dems are a group that get in trouble with the rest of America simply by conveying to us what they really think and stand for.
It truly must sap their energy to constantly attempt to avoid real honesty as to what they believe.
Last night, some of that true belief seeped out in the form of anti Israel and anti God catcalls and boos. It wasn’t pretty. They were partying like it was 1939 in Germany.
What I’d like to know is who was behind the decision to put these things back into their platform. Obviously it was someone or some group that was concerned about the optics coming forth from having these things excluded.
This article may help enlighten you, bobbcat:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/obama_knew_of_the_omission_of_god_and_jerusalem_from_the_platform_before_the_convention.html#ixzz25hIrFBx3
It appears that Obama, Himself, intervened to have the omissions put back into the platform. It’s pretty obvious what “Hope and Change” actually mean: “I, the Healer of the planet, hope for the best and, when the worst happens, I change things real fast!”
Appreciate the link. Still though, not a complete picture here as Obama was allegedly aware of the fact that these things were excluded. Again, why the change? Who twisted Obama’s arm?
I don’t know just who the critics of the original platform are, though I suspect they could be: some Jewish people who didn’t like the exclusion of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital; some Christians, who stand with the Jewish people, liking neither the exclusion of God or Jerusalem; some fair-minded Dems — perhaps from the two groups I’ve mentioned as well as libertarians — who didn’t like the exclusions and the message they would send to uncommitted/swing voters.
Given that 82% of Americans say they’re Christian, there must have been some intelligent people in the Democratic Party who looked at these exclusions and said, “Are we crazy? Are we suicidal? What are we thinking?”
A rather cynical me is inclined to think it was the optics they were concerned about. The far left is rabidly anti-Christian & antisemitic in their approach to the political scene, IMO.
Yep, they didnt want to lose votes. They will tell any bald faced lie to gain/retain them.
He’s not that much of a detail guy. I’m sure he never saw the problem until it blew up.
“I, the Healer of the planet, hope for the best and, when the worst happens, I change things real fast!”
funny & thanks – good to have an LOl about this
You’re welcome, Isaiah62. If we couldn’t laugh, we’d be bawling. I’m a Canadian, but it’s clear to me that if Obama gets in for another four years, we’re all doomed.
However, God will not be mocked. (Isaiah is my favourite prophet.)
who took God out of the platform and put the negative changes about Israel and Jerusalem into it
then, when these revisions came to light, and there was a lot of heat about them, he was the one
who put God back in the platform and restored positive elements about Israel and Jerusalem to it
he meant what he did the first time, but deeply resents having been forced to back off them now
he was booing his own decision to back off right along with all the other hate-filled dem yahoos
Put me in the (respectful) “waving away” readership. When thoughtful folks like the good professor and Ed Koch remain loyal to Obama, do not expect any large departure from traditional voting patterns.
Conservatives are better off trying to reduce the monolithic black vote by 10 or 20 per cent.
Why conservatives do not relentlessly remind black folks about the history of the Democrat party is a mystery to me. Democrats have used hatred non-stop during their entire history. During most of that history the hatred was directed toward blacks.
Jews know about the Christian hatred and violence toward Jews throughout the centuries. Because of a common logical and historical misunderstanding that places American conservatism on “the right” along with Leftist groups like the national socialists, the false imputation of ethnic hatred is made.
“Why conservatives do not relentlessly remind black folks about the history of the Democrat party is a mystery to me.”
My guess is that it is the general ignorance of history these days. When was the last time you heard a conversation among ordinary Americans – black, white or any other group – discussing history in any substantial way? (When I say “ordinary” Americans, I mean people that aren’t history professors or talking heads on the Sunday morning politic shows. And when I say “substantial” I mean more than a passing phrase that invokes some aspect of history like “Uncle Tom” or “Jim Crow”.)
To put it another way, how much do you think the average American – black, white or otherwise – actually knows or cares about history in any detail? What do they actually talk about on a day to day basis, say in line buying a coffee or waiting to see a movie? I think you’re FAR more likely to hear them talking about celebrities or what was on TV last night than having a well-informed, detailed discussion of history.
Frankly, I think history is something that just isn’t given a lot of consideration by anyone beyond the elites and the more remote the history is in time and place, the less likely it is to be considered. Most people have at least a vague recollection of events from their own lifetime, like 9/11 or the first moon landing, but precious little of, say, the Civil War or the major actions of FDR.
I’m not sure why our culture largely ignores history but my perception is that it does. Perhaps it is a sinister plot but it may just be an ever-diminishing attention span and a focus on what is happening here and now….
Hmmmm…..”Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”
-George Santayana
well you have to realize we have a generational disconnect- the history you know about the DEM party isn’t the new and revised version that was sold to the kids below boomer age
While most of the nays and catcalls may have been for the addition of the wording on Jerusalem, I suspect that many of them were also opposed to the addition of “God” into their platform. There’s nothing about today’s Democrats that gives the impression they have deep seated religious beliefs.
The Democrats would have been better off just ignoring the comments about these two things missing from their platform. By doing it this way, the let people know first, that they deliberately left it out, 2nd, that they felt embarrassed enough by public opinion to put it back in, and 3rd, that most of the Democrats didn’t want it in anyway.
I can’t think of anything better that could have happened at this convention for the Republicans.
As an old historian of world scientific and military history, especially of the Soviet Union, all one has to know is that the vast majority of Jews (in modern times) around the world have always supported the Communist Party. The Democratic Party (especially its current leadership) in the US is the modern manifestation of the Communist Party, so it is automatically supported by the vast majority of American Jews.
If you don’t believe the close historical connection of Jews with Bolsheviks (Communists), just research the Great-October in Russia, Germany in 1918/19, the “atomic spies” during and post World-War-2, the Venona Transcripts, and of course the demonization by US Communists of Senator McCarthy. However when Stalin began purging all Jews from the Soviet Security Organs in 1953 (Doctor’s Plot), Soviet Jews realized they had made a bad choice in supporting that maniac – that is until Beria poisoned Stalin to prevent what would have been a second holocaust.
“As an old historian of world scientific and military history, especially of the Soviet Union, all one has to know is that the vast majority of Jews (in modern times) around the world have always supported the Communist Party”.
Lol – being a “historian” takes more than reading old Joseph Sorban columns and logging onto Stormfront. Time for a new tinfoil hat for you.
The ayes and noes sounded about the same, but, reportedly, Villaraigosa wound up eventually just reading the scripted prompter that the amendments had carried.
Anybody who trusts Obama’s occasional required verbiage on US support of Israel as opposed to behaviors like his treatment of Netanyahu, his call for return to ’67 borders, and just the general vibe of the man, is deluding himself.
Whatever lip service he is required to pay officially, Barack Obama, personally, is clearly and unalterably in the “not a friend of Israel” column.
As for God, twice in recent years, I’ve heard Obama cite the Declaration of Independence and leave out the phrase “endowed by our Creator.” Last Friday, in a pre Labor Day speech to troops at Ft. Bliss Texas, he cited the Declaration and included that phrase, somewhat stumblingly, but I think he’s trying to pretend he is who he is not on all kinds of fronts.
Big Dogs featured at the democrat convention have been a murderer (on video), a woman who lied about her background to get a job at Harvard (hearing her speak was painful) and, the party’s standard bearer, a serial rapist who has had a hard time with the meaning of the word “is”.
It is incredible what political simpletons Jews are. They shut their eyes to one of the most elementary rules of life, that you must not “meet halfway” those who do not want to meet you.
–Ze’ev Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall November 4, 1923
And Jabotinsky is considered by liberal Jews to be a right-wing nut. There’s our problem, right there.
Roger: “I cannot believe that Barack Obama … did not approve the platform in advance.”
Apparently, Obama did know and approve of the language in the platform
before it was released and passed:
Obama had seen the language prior to the convention, a campaign source said, but did not seek to change it until after Republicans jumped on the omissions of God and Jerusalem late Wednesday. … There is additional support for [this] reporting. Not only had previous reports indicated that the platform’s original language was meant to conform to Obama’s positions but the people on the drafting committee, and one in particular, have close ties to Barack Obama. …
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/obama_knew_of_the_omission_of_god_and_jerusalem_from_the_platform_before_the_convention.html#ixzz25hIrFBx3
This is the kind of incident that turns a recovering Liberal like myself into a recovered Liberal. Oh I will remain vigilant against believing things that ‘that just aren’t true’ as Ronald Reagan cautioned, but I never thought I’d see the day when there would be an outbreak of what might be charitably called strong anti Israel feeling on the floor of the Democratic National Convention. I first noticed ‘the pivot’ on the left in the early 80s in Australia when I saw some posters on a radical left store front in Fremantle – the port city of Perth, Western Australia. Fremantle is lot like Berkeley politically – they have the very same ‘Nuclear Free Zone’ signs and the posters I saw were in the familiar red and black of a classic Che posters except the new heroes were Palestinian fighters. My second epiphany came during the height of the Iraq war when British MP, Gorgeous George Galloway, said that the Islamic radical fighters were the last best hope for the Revolution. The American left seemed less infected, but the post colonial anti Semitic cancer has now overtly metastasized into the American left. As Dirty Harry would say “Marvelous.”
Actually, I predicted it 40 years ago.
Because I saw the new rhetoric and rationale being offered by the New Left. It was a lot less about economic socialism and a lot more about multiculturalism.
Everything the New Left was delving into, was non-Western or even anti-Western: From Buddhism and Native American mysticism to black Muslims, everything about it was about siding with non-Western peoples against the West.
It was inevitable that the Left would hook up with Arab Muslims (particularly the Palestinians).
First, a comment: In denying any responsibility by O for the original platform, the party apparatchiki wish us to forget that this is a sitting President of the United States who, while merely a candidate for that office, claimed the ability to influence the world’s sea level.
Second: a disturbing anecdote. Some months ago I was in conversation with someone who professes herself a serious Christian and in fact a theologian, and who has become more or less incapable of distinguishing between any particular tenet of faith on the one hand, and the current left wing of the Democrat party on the other. She is extremely well educated and as well or better read than almost anyone I’ve ever met. She is also old enough to recall Germany’s invasion of Poland. She was going on and on about how evil it was to contemplate using military force to stop Iran’s nuclear weapons program and how all those flag-waving boobs just haven’t given any thought to what a war would mean. We just shouldn’t start any more wars. I asked her if she understood that the price of her conviction was a second Holocaust, because that’s exactly what Iran has announced its intention to be. I reminded her that her generation had a front-row seat to the first one, and so was not entitled to pretend that such iniquity was so off the charts that no one could seriously mean “exterminate every Jew we can lay hands on.” Silence. Her hatred of what she sees as Ugly America (and which most of us simply label “America”) is so visceral that she is willing to accept that second Holocaust rather than see America assert itself to stop it before it happens. Between the actual Jew-haters and those who express their hatred for Israel as a proxy for the U.S., that display on the convention floor makes perfect sense. It must be very complicated, from a moral/religious perspective, to be an American Jewish voter in the polling booth.
After our Civil War, no one expected that the white inhabitants of the defeated South would suddenly lose their prejudices, forget their bigotry, and immediately treat their former slaves as every bit the equal of themselves. Yet we’re supposed to believe that in the summer of 1945, the Germans and other Europeans lost the centuries-old hatreds that culminated in the Holocaust. Simple logic won’t be enough to get through to your friend, as kind a person as she may be in other ways.
Alas! I’m afraid you’re right. This was the same person who once in my hearing equated “fundamentalist Christians,” “fundamentalist Jews,” and “fundamentalist Muslims” as all being equally dangerous groups. I asked her how many foot-washing Baptists, Old Order Amish, or Quakers had recently strapped a remotely-detonated explosive vest to a mentally-handicapped child and them marched him into a crowded marketplace, or how many Hasidim had flown airliners into office towers. Silence. I allowed that I just wasn’t much interested in a religion that can’t see any moral distinction between picketing an abortion clinic from across the street and blowing up a bus-load of tourists. Just not doin’ it for me.
I think that the booing had more to do with the fact that the amendment was passed even though it was clear that there were at least as many “Nays” as there were “Yays”. The rules stated that a two thirds majority was need to amend the platform.
So I think all the discussion about African American’s booing because they hate Jews is bogus. However, one has to come back to the fact that there WERE as many Nays as Yays. So many many of delegates are either against the mention of God or against stating the fact that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. SAD!
I still think there must be some way to sue the LAT and get those tapes in discovery….
I wonder if RR will use this terrible scene in an ad. Pretty explosive. I don’t think a lot of casual viewers saw it as it was the first item of the broadcast.
The sinister debacle on the DNC floor yesterday highlights something that not just Jews, but every thinking person of conscience had better wake up to -Fascism is not only back, but it never went away. It may have been defeated militarily, but not intellectually. Although the plant was cut down, its pernicious roots were allowed through ignorance to extend throughout our universities and culture to a far greater extent than they had in pre-war 20th century. Even with such noble attempts by people like Jonah Goldberg and Ann Coulter to warn of these trends, most Americans, even conservatives are blissfully unaware of the root ideas of fascism that allow it to act with stealth, like leaven on the doughey minds of the masses. Ideas have consequences.
The idea that the Jews and everyone else had better wake up to is this: the ominous sign in the vote against Israel and God by the Democrat Party (and its half-hearted rescindence for political expediency that fools no one,) is inexorably connected. In other words, it is not about the Jews, per se, rather it is about their God. Mussolini once said that fascism was about rejecting all absolute categories and instituting relativism. The writer, Nolte once defined fascism as the “violent rejection of Transcendence.” How easily we forget that the founders of modern secularist thought – post-modernism -were either proto-Nazis like Nietzsche, or open sympathizers like Heidegger, Ezra Pound, DH Lawrence, and Paul du Man, among others. The Jewish writer, George Steiner, wrote about the underlying thought of Fascism this way: “By killing the Jews, western culture would eradicate those who ‘invented God’… The Holocaust is a reflex, the more complete for being long inhibited, of natural sensory consciousness, of instinctual polytheistic and animist needs.” Think about this,nd the trends we see in culture, academia, the media, and then it might dawn on some what happened yesterday at the Obamafest.
Roger, my friend…you hit every point that I would have (and did, in the Tatler) after hearing those boos.
Except one.
I do believe that they were booing God as well.
The assault on religion that comes from the leftists is unrelenting. Not necessarily from the same wing of the leftist hate brigade, in fact, the pasty white small c communists have a slightly different bent than their African-American counterparts.
They booed Israel/Jerusalem in lusty-throated horror, but the African-American community does not have a particular axe to grind against Israel. The constant drumbeat against “the rich”, who “take advantage of” and “keep down” blacks…is aimed repeatedly against “rich Jews” in the black community.
(Don’t get me wrong, the Jeremiah Wright/Louis Farrakhan branch have chosen a side in geopolitics that would love the annihilation of the Jewish state…but those are “religious” people in the same manner that I am a runway swimsuit model…I can walk on the catwalk in a swimsuit, but nobody with a brain is going to buy into the concept, unless hypnotized or brainwashed)
The small c communists booing God and the hard core communists and blacks booing Jerusalem …made that voice vote the most honest vocal communication that will come out of this DNC festival of hate.
We should play those boos loudly and make an audio recount ourselves. EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.
Our Judeo-Christian heritage, upon which our laws, mores, rules, regulations, human interactions in this country are based…are despised by the small c communists and have been under assault by this administration.
Take all the words uttered at that convention and juxtapose them against those boos. The small c communists have no use for God and the flotilla champions and blacks have no use for Jews.
Personally, I couldn’t spend 5 minutes in the same room with Rashid Khalidi, Edward Said, Louis Farrakhan, or Jeremiah Wright without feeling a reflexive trick elbow having an involuntary spasm to their jaws. It’s a weakness, I know.
Much less spend decades having close personal relationships with these despicable men. The LA Times holding the tape likely proving this hatred, hostage, was made nearly irrelevant by those boos. (Nearly…the FACT that they held it hostage is still important to their near criminal conspiracy)
The boos said it all. No parsing of words, no twisting of truth, no massaging facts, no fuzzy math or damn lies of statistics. A full, ruby throated, visceral “tell”. I demand a recount on that voice vote and I want to recount it every day. BOOOOOOOOOO.
The omissions plowed the field, the recount call planted the seeds, the boos harvested the truth.
Will American Jews come to the defense of God, Jerusalem, Israel and America? Ask not for whom the Boo Tolls, it tolls for thee.
I’m one of those cynics Roger railed at.
I’m purely cynical that the liberal American Jews will continue to do what they’ve done forever: support the Demogoguic machine through pure self hate.
That’s the same reason for the rabid atheistic radical left’s behavior.
Not to put too fine a point on it, pelaut…but, I am fastidious about the handling of terms.
To my way of thinking, there are no more “liberals”, the leftists ate them.
A “liberal” would concede the point that booing Jerusalem (and God, as I see/hear the vocalization)was a severely damaging and defining moment of that convention. All the other words, parsed/distorted/lies as they were…are drowned out in that one moment.
As for the atheists/agnostics…I’m perfectly willing to give them the freedom of religion/non-religion, if I am accorded the same respect. THAT is the true meaning of separation of church and state, they should be free to not believe and I should be free to believe.
However, the small c communists and their upper case brethren have never been willing to strike that deal. Give a pig a finger and he will want the whole hand. They wish to convert believers into non-believers. In this country the masses don’t like God pushed in their faces, they want small bites, at their convenience and in low whispers. Too loud and too forceful…is now a scary proposition for the majority…read that…the majority…of Americans.
The hard left doesn’t believe that ANY Judeo-Christian country should “belong” to ANY Judeo-Christian religion. (they, with no irony…have NOTHING to say about Muslims or dhimmi slavery). They don’t believe that Israel should exist or that Jerusalem is an “Israeli” city. They believe that THEY and THEY ALONE can dictate that Jerusalem is a One World city.
A hard leftist is not a Christian or a Jew first, he is a leftist first.
How can ANY Christian (Roman Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran or Methodist)vote with/for Obama and against the interests of their religion and/or America?
In terms of raw numbers…if all the voting age Jewish men and women got together and ALL voted for Obama..I mean every one in the world, they couldn’t carry the state of California by themselves if all the non-Jews voted otherwise.
So, the seminal question isn’t whether “voting Jews” are important to the outcome, singled out for acrimony or resentment. It is MUCH more important that we ALL recognize that the parties have changed.
This IS NOT your daddy’s Democratic Party and this is NOT your granddaddy’s Republican Party.
Eric Cantor, Alan West, Condi Rice, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley, Susanna Martinez, Mia Love, …the face of the NEW Republican Party is diverse, articulate, bright and fresh. It’s safe to come into these waters.
George Soros, Jeremiah Wright, Van Jones, Anita Dunn, Ed Schultz, Bill Ayers, Nancy Pelosi, Rashid Khalidi, Elizabeth Warren, Eric Holder, Joe Biden…these are the strident and ugly representations of an anti-America left that has become the face of the hard pull to the left in the small c communist overthrow of the free market democracy.
Jew and Gentile alike must look deeply into the soul of each party and bear witness to the sea change.
We need to worry less about 2.5 million Jews voting patterns…with 1.75 going to Democrats out of habit…than we should about embracing them into the new reality. We love patriotic Americans, we love and stand by Israel. We ARE the New Face of the Republican Party.
The Democrats booed our loved ones. THAT is the message of the next nine weeks.
Very well put. Thank you!
The Jewish vote does matter for one reason: Florida.
Bingo! Remember Bush v. Gore 2000.
I don’t want ANY of my comments to be read to suggest that the Jewish vote doesn’t matter. Of course it matters.
It matters in many, if not most of the swing states.
My point was about perspective in placing weight on Jewish voting patterns without recognizing the argument in raw numbers vs. Christian denomination raw numbers voting for hard core leftists.
The Jewish vote may make up 4% or 5% of a key swing state like Florida. That’s enough to tilt the election. If Obama received 78% last time and gets in the low 60′s this time, that’s voting with your feet at a minimum. No Republican has cracked 25%…if Romney does that, Florida is unattainable for Obama.
But the two discussions are apples and gorillas. Acrimony and resentment for historic voting patterns won’t win converts away from those voting patterns, whatever their reasoning. Obama is pandering to blacks, Hispanics, Jews, youth and gays.
Of those, where can we peel off enough votes in key swing states based upon deep distrust and suspicion over motives? The African-American vote is not likely to move the needle much.
But…every other group has the capacity to drop precipitously away from Obama if handled deftly and with truth exposing the big lies. To put this out of the margin of fraud…those groups can’t just stay home. They have to switch votes. I think the Jewish vote has the prospect for the biggest spread/difference from 2008 in percentage shift. That is not an opportunity we should want to miss. Let’s show them the face of the NEW Republican Party.
Independents will also respond positively to the new, fresh faces…and putting the lie to the continuing slander. Do those things and saving this country is within our grasp. Do it not…and the alternative is too brutal to contemplate.
Obama got 56% of the Catholic vote in 2008. His numbers are now 27% in that demographic.
Bravo!
Over on Huffington Post, some of the most highly rated commenters (which I assume must mean they are thought-leaders with whom much of their readership agrees) wrote far more about how there ought to be a separation of Church and State, so there is likely a sizeable portion who booed because they didn’t want God in it either.
And they certainly dont want to recognize the huge contribution of Christianity to the philosophical and moral foundation of the nation and it’s system of government.
The Left isn’t impressed with “the foundation of the nation” anyway.
To them, America was founded on the murder of the American Indians, the enslavement of the blacks, the capitalist exploitation of the workers, etc. etc. etc.
They’ve gone to schools in which Marxist Howard Zinn’s “People’s History of the United States” is the main–or even the only–history textbook used.
Yes I agree. But my point was that they want to deny this, so that Christendom can be more easily marginalized and disempowered within the system. ie “This isnt a Christian country.” Which we hear endlessly, including by Atheist libertarian numpties with an agenda.
I have often wondered why the German Jews didn’t resist more in the 1930′s in Germany. Most likely because they could not believe their own eyes and ears at what their leaders were doing and saying. Of course, the entire population having been disarmed by the German leadership meant they really didn’t have any good way to resist. My guess is American Jews are in a similar frame of mind and just don’t believe their eyes and ears. Obviously, no one is being hauled off to work camps and this administration wouldn’t single out Jews. What I can imagine is another 4 years of the great divider and it could be prosperous white conservatives being sent to reeducation camps, specially if Roseanne Barr has anything to say about it.
The German Jews didn’t resist because they wanted to be considered “Good Germans” no different from any other German. They simply couldn’t believe that the country of which they had been a part for hundreds of years would turn on them. They heard Hitler’s ravings and wrote it off as “just politics.” So, they let themselves be stripped of their rights, their property, their families, and their lives.
Many American Jews want to be seen as “Good Americans” thinking the embrace of all things liberal is the way to get there. Supporting civil rights for the downtrodden “coloreds” by helping the NAACP was good because they knew what discrimination was. Making “common cause” with other victimized groups seemed like the right thing to do. Feed the poor? Yes! Provide health care to the old and poor? Yes!
Suddenly, though, the downtrodden groups became the very people who had tried to wipe out the Jews in the Holy Land. The same Jews for which the American Jews had organized dinners and fund raisers. And how did this happen? Well, unlike in Germany, when the Arab’s five armies and the Mufti mobs came to kill the Jews, the Israeli Jews didn’t go along quietly. They kicked their would-be murderers backsides out of the part of “Palestine” designated for the “Jewish homeland” and out of that part of “Palestine” designated for the “Palestinian Arab” homeland and made it stick. And every time their Arab neighbors threatened them, the Israeli Jews kicked them around some more.
And as for those “Palestinian Arabs,” their Arab “brothers” herded them into dreadful refugee camps and kept them there. Oops! The people who had tried to murder the Israeli Jews became “victims!” A cultural dissonance shook American Jewry from which it has yet to recover: Jews were kicking other people’s butts, and everyone knew the people who kicked other people’s butts had to be bad.
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PS. I’m not Jewish, and I’m marginally a Christian. I’m considering studying Syriac-Aramaic so I can learn more about the Assyrian Church of the East. What I am, though, is a dedicated Zionist. If that offends someone, that’s just too bad.
Okay, we know the answer: Jews will continue to vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Is there any other people as clever when it comes to securing socio-economic success and so suicidally stupid when it comes to securing safety for themselves and their loved ones by way of politics?
It’s crazy, whole books have been written on the topic of…What in hell is going on between the ears of America’s Jewish voters ?
One explanation, some kind of post Holocaust ipso facto requirement to sign onto the drivel-ly pretense democrats spew for the underdog, the supposed persecuted, the alleged downtrodden in America. That somehow such a posturing is in keeping with Never Again.
I don’t pretend to know or understand any of it.
I agree.
If Obama walks up to the mic at the DNC and says “You know what? I never liked Jews that much.” My friends of the Jewish persuasion would still vote for him, and every Deomcrat on the ballot. To them, Republicans are the worst.
This platform is pure Obama and his cabinet. So was the change.
The rubes will look around the room of the Dem Convention and see a multitude of ethnicity and some supposed thin veneer of religion of many and say, “Ah ha. See? We’re for the little guy.” Might make for good TV and a soundbite, but it’s house built on sand. And it is based on a false premise and this circus over the Democratic Party platform proves it. The entire Democratic platform is built on exploitation.
It is becoming evident that the new makeup is not even the lying Clinton Party anymore. The indoctrination, unfulfillable promises, preying on the stupid and corrupt, the uneducated or unteachable, the weak and the marginalized is pure Clinton. But Clinton was malleable – Obama is not. Obama is the radicalized ideologue, and I have become completely convinced he’s Marxist and fascist. Clinton had a few places he wasn’t willing to go. Obama knows no bounds.
In trying to appease the Jew haters, and they are legion in the Democratic Party, they’ve offended the Jews. In removing God from the platform, they’ve offended the thin veneer crowd, who use God as a campaign tool and a club under the banner of ‘social justice.’ Cannot twist the Bible or invoke the Hadith for personal gain and power without at least giving the impression you believe in something divine.
When you stand for nothing sacred but abortion and self gain, eventually to retain some semblance of control, you’ve got to make room for everything.
Here’s what the Democratic Party really is: It’s a series of tribes, each seeking to exploit the gain at someone else expense for their tribe. And eventually what happens, is the tribes begin stepping on another tribe’s toes for an ever smaller piece of the pie.
I honestly think if you could magically remove everyone in this country not beholden to the Democratic Party, what America would quickly become is the former Yugoslavia.
This could go beyond ugly. Because if America falls and that imminent under Democratic control, the financial world will collapse, radical Islam will take root and their Mahdi will appear in some form, even a cardboard cutout. Enter WWIII – this time with a band of crazies willing and able to create universal Armageddon with nuclear weaponry.
Israel should be terrified. So should Americans. Much more than debt hangs in the balance this time around.
Or to put it another way, this is Valerie Jarrett speaking. If you understand this simple fact, it all makes a lot more sense. And we all know the soft spot she has for Iran.
Roger’s request of those of us in the Jewish community to get our Democratic peers to look at what their party has wrought is quite a challenge. I firmly believe, based on experience, that change will only occur for those thru self discovery. A way to aid that is to encourage them to see the film 2016. Mention to them that it is about Obama’s outlook on life and the role of the United States, mostly in his own words and voice. My wife has gotten some of her Jewish Democratic friends to see the movie and they have admitted to her that it has given them a different perspective. Hope springs eternal!
The sad part of this is that the vote was actually brilliant because it will help them get the Jewish vote as opposed to opening some eyes (Eyes purposely wide shut). The Democrats will go we listened to your concerns and of course the worst among the Jewish people will go “yes you did and we are grateful and we will reward you.” Sadly enough there is a certain type of person (and many Jews tend towards this) that wants to feel self-important and sees a crumb as some sort of validation.
On the other hand the so-called Jewish vote is a political label. Most of these Jews only identify themselves as Jews in relation to the Democratic party. They do want some sort of separate cultural reference to fool themselves into believing they support Democrats through their own beliefs and not because of their own greed, stupidity and terror.
If the Leftist, white vote was viewed as part of the Christian vote (and why not they are ethnically Christian) then Christians would look a lot more foolish.
I think we need to stop calling it the Jewish vote ourselves. The Democrats should be considered the leftist vote period. Then the argument is the leftists amended their plank and so what.
What I have found to be amazing is, how much the Jewish community contributed to the civil rights fight for for black equality and all they got in return was a knife in the back. It is also hard to understand how the Jewish community can continue to be loyal to a party that is only interested in their vote and their money and absolutely no interest in them as a people. Gluttons for punishment seems to come to mind.
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When we take God more seriously, we’ll take Jerusalem more seriously, too.
So, in reading the comments I understand that I must believe that the “Jewish vote” approves of
- murdering babies
- supporting Hamas and Hezballah
- supporting the Muslim Brotherhood
- destroying America’s economy
- destroying America’s military might
- electing Supreme Court Judges who will certainly abolish our self-defense rights
I frankly don’t see why and how the “Jewish vote” would/could/should support all this.
But then again, I don’t see why the African American vote should support all that.
Brainwashed minorities ?
Hatred is a powerful emotion and motivator.
Givens:
God is.
First time Jews dissed God they got 40 years in the wilderness.
Christians dissed God and got the 30 years war.
America disses God and gets his 0ness.
Thoughts:
If God gives Jews another time out, it will be bad, very bad.
If God gives D’s a 40 year time out we (Conservatives) need to get on our knees and pray, I mean pray, for guidance. We need to do this every day lest we forget whence it all comes.
If God gives America another chance, take it.
As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;
And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!
I am Jewish and have always voted for the Dems, except when Obama came around. He spoke at AIPAC in 2007 and promised an undivided Jerusalem, and then changed his position hardly two days later. But many of my fellow Jews are not convinced the GOP is Jewish friendly, with the exception of Romney, who clearly is. GHW Bush was as tough on Israel and her settlements as Obama is. James Baker, the former Sec of State under Bush 1, when you hear him speak, even today, borders on anti-semitism so anti-Israel is he. And the Moral Majority of the 80′s scared many Jews away from the GOP. Also, many liberal Jews support a woman’s right to choose. Since the parties are so set in stone about abortion, it is hard to get many Jewish women to move to the GOP. This year may be different, but I don’t know.
I would really like to see a viable third party comprised of moderates who have been run out of both parties. A fiscally moderate and socially moderate party that is friendly to Israel has a shot at getting the Jewish vote. Jews should not be supporting African American candidates who have become so hostile to them and Israel.
So it comes down to abortion or making Israel into a glass factory? My G-d! Abortion is not going to change as long as roe v wade is on the books. No one is going to change it, however, take a look at late term abortions which obama is for and see how it’s done. If it’s not infanticide than snow is black. I mean it is so horrible. How can anyone support it? I don’t understand? When you devalue the beginning of life, does it take much to imagine devaluing the end of life? Thus death panels! Next the handicapped! When a mother can see her issure being ripped to pieces in the womb, or a knife stuck up the back of the babies head to cut the spinal cord and deprive it of live, and not be horrified, what have we come to?
Please, someone explain to me how that is the be all and end all of the jewish vote?
I’ve heard that exact same thing from many, many Jews. I think it’s the “bargaining” stage of the five states of grief. Sorry, there’s no bargaining this. This is a binary choice.
Sorry. That is my experience at the hands of southern Baptists. Just cause you don’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. In colleges, and in high schools Southern Christians are quite keen to convert Jews. It is so bad our Rabbi had to train many of us how to respond. However, I totally agree that Muslims are much worse, and the threat to Israel comes from Muslims.
And to point out to Christians that their behavior in trying to convert Jews is offensive is not anti Christian. That is life for Jews. Maybe if you stopped it, you would convince more Jews to join your cause. That was my point.
Why are you so surprised that people in a proselytizing religion proselytize? That’s what they do. They try to convert Christians, as well. Bears crap in the woods and used car salesmen sell used cars. Why is this so surprising?
When I as a Southern Christian go to New York City, I and my friends and family are tormented with sneers and jeers, our Southern accent mocked, and we are treated as dull witted mental deficients, backwards Deliverance extras numpties, uncool redneck hillbillies, and insinuations that we are racists are made….by New York Jews.
What do you say to that BettM?
Im just telling you my experience. Just cause you dont see it doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
First they came for the unborn…
It’s too bad that with so many Jews in journalism and entertainment, they got so wrapped up in being Democrats, that they let Soros pick a Muslim to be the Manchurian candidate without challenge.
A small amount of vetting would have exposed Obama as a Christian poser and a Muslim mole. He is Muslim in all but name only. He’s as steeped in Jew/Israeli-hatred as every other Muslim in the world. He only took the mantle of Christianity because he knew that a self-proclaimed Muslim would not be able to rise far in national politics.
And the Democrats were so eager to get their first Black president that they didn’t WANT to know his background details. Political correctness is not only irritating, IT IS DANGEROUS.
I’ve never understood the strong Jewish support for the Clintons, when they (and especially Hillary) have been so close to Israel’s worst enemies.
All anyone has to do is read left wing websites when Israel to see how liberals feel about Israel. I do not understand how jews can be so deluded when it comes to liberals and Democrats.
I really used to admire the jewish people, to have survived the holocaust, and still thrived. Perhaps the obession with liberalism is some odd pyschological trauma, some suicidal tendency, I don’t know. But how can people who are so smart think liberals support Israel? How can ignore the left wing singers who refuse to sing in Israel, or the author of The Color Purple who won’t let the book be published in Israel because she feels it’s an apartheid state?
How can such smart people be so fooled, unless they are suicidal?
Let me propose an alternate, and more cynical theory. CAIR and all of their related organizations have been peddling the “6-8 million Muslims in America” statistic for years. There is no basis for this in fact, and best estimates are in the 2-3 million range. Why?
Simple. Once the power people in the Democrat party perceive more Muslim votes than Jewish, the Jews go under the bus. It’s simple, old-fashioned political calculus, and has nothing to do with ideology. The number was specifically chosen to be slightly more than the Jewish population.
The Muslim victimhood/Jewish villainy aspect is just icing on the cake. Of course, the fact that most Jews will vote for them even if they nominate Adolf Hitler makes this an even more obvious choice.
The last time I was in Chicago was maybe 10 years ago. Judaism at one time was Chicago’s largest minority religious demographic. At the time of my visit and today, that demographic is Islam. I had a ME immigrant cab driver take me to the airport. He informed me out of the blue that Muslims outnumber Jews in Chicago and then proceeded to go on an anti-Semitic, anti-Zionist tirade. Once I was safely at the airport with my possessions in hand, I let him have it (while he did not care one bit for the verbal rejoinder, I think it was the no tip part that really got him–he drove away fuming). The thing that amazed me most was that he was entirely comfortable going on in this manner to a perfect stranger and customer. Muslims even in America apparently see no need nor have any desire to consider religious sensibilities other than their own. And it looks as though the Democratic party may be following in their example.
If it has nothing to do with ideology then what you’re saying makes no sense.
“Will Jews finally stop their slavish devotion to the Democratic Party and vote in their own interest? ”
Hold on, let me ask the 8 Ball.
Ok, here’s the range:
● Reply hazy, try again
● Ask again later
● Better not tell you now
● Cannot predict now
● Concentrate and ask again
And, alas, that’s the best you can hope for.
Or to answer your question with a paraphrase of another classic Jewish question: “What makes this election different from all other elections?”
I think GOP friendly Christians who are so stunned that the Jews won’t move to the GOP really need to understand what it is like to be a Jew in the South of America. The southern Baptists are as anti-semetic as some can be. It is not atypical to go to a public restaurant andherat a conversation denouncing the Jews. Our Christian friends regularly knock on our doors giving us flyers telling us how Jesus died for our sins and how we will burn in hell if we don’t accept Jesus. My sons were regularly called Jew boys in high school. While Christians are much more Jewish friendly in the south than they were 20 years ago, Jews still are not treated as equals. For the Christian GOP to win the Jewish vote, they must respect the Jewish religion much more in daily life.Romney has made an excellent start of it which is why I will support him.
BettM…….I do not know what area of the south you live in, but it certainly doesn’t sound like the new south I live in.
Perhaps you should find some clips of Reverand Wright, and what he was preaching to our current president for 20 years. This is what is typical american hating left-wing church is like. Basically all of Obama’s mentors were haters of jews, and Israel. Hell, Bill Ayers is a self hating jew who wanted to kill 25 million christians in his earlier life. Name one radical in Mitt
Romneys past, and I can name one hundred that were associated with Obama.
I am a athiest, but even I can see the double standard in reporting religious bigotry. If one makes a anti-jewish or muslim comment in a media outlet they normally lose their job or reputation, whereas christians are fair game. Employees at BBC admitted this recently, and there is certainly very little difference in our american media. Muslims have become the most protected religion, and jews being a close second mainly because they control the media.
Why christians, being 78% of the population put up with the bigotry coming from Hollywood leftist, and outlets like MSNBC, etc. is interesting to watch. A man has his limitations.
Nice! Anti-Christian bigotry with a huge dollop of Anti-Southern bigotry on top!
Notice how those arab-american democrats were really upset that the jewish dogs were granted humanity and recognition.
Yes, Roark. Very scary. I hope my fellow Jews were watching. Ron Paul is not so comforting either. Very scary times for Jews in the world now.
First they came for the Catholics. Then they came for the Jews.
None of this worries Obama’s biggest booster. George Soros, the walking, breathing essence of corruption. In fact the “best times of my life (his)” were during the holocaust while he helped confiscate the belongings of other Jews being shipped to…..
Good piece, but as to this:
“Will Jews finally stop their slavish devotion to the Democratic Party and vote in their own interest?”
I am Jewish. I vote in America and Israel’s best interest, not my own.
Most Jews couldn’t care less about Israel. And it’s only getting worse.
BetteM, but aren’t many Democrats also christian? Obama said his muslim, no wait, Georgeie corrected him, christian faith was important to him. Kennedy was Catholic, which is pretty hardcore christian.
So the anti semitism of the South doesn’t really translate into loving anti semetic liberals to me. At some point jews should realize the liberals HATE them, while if the christians are trying to convert them, well, that is insulting, but at least shows they’re trying to ‘save’ them in their misguided way.
Noone likes when someone tries to convert them, but considering the hatred of jews from liberals… I don’t know, seems worse to be hated, but really this is all out of our hands. If Obama really did tell Iran he won’t interfere with Israel then maybe Iran will attack Israel before Nov, and I’m guessing Obama will Stonewall to the point where Israel is in ruins. I’m guessing the socialists of Europe aren’t going to cry over israel any more then the liberals.
The only friends in the West that Israel has is the GOP, and the jews do everything they can to weaken the Republicans. Christians in the US will be the only ones who will weep if Iran lights up Israel with nukes, and all the while liberals will blame the GOP for being warmongers and somehow forcing Iran to use nukes.
I agree. Many Jewish liberals have no idea how anti-Israel the left has become. I hope they saw it last night. I hope they are waking up and realizing that their pet liberal causes like abortion are not important when it comes to saving America and saving Israel.
This proves the Democratic Party has become one of evil. I ask that all read John Daniels new book titled, ‘THE COMING: A TRUE STORY OF HORROR’ now at amazon.com. Going beyond Walid Shoebat or Joel Richardson he proves what we are facing. Here is the link.http://www.amazon.com/The-Coming-True-Story-Horror/dp/1469955652/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346955276&sr=8-1&keywords=the+coming+a+true+story+of+horror
It is not the first time the Jewish people have followed self-destructive advice. As I recall from the Book of Exodus, even after having been miraculously freed from Egyptian slavery, they indulged in the worship of pagan gods as Moses was receiving the Ten Commandments [Exodus 32:1-8].
Some folks only learn the hard way.
The keffiyeh is fashionable; the kippah is not.
The African-American/Jewish civil rights coalition is long dead. I’m not versed in its particulars, but I suspect it was always tenuous at best. In the south, Jews and blacks shared a history of discrimination as many white southerners did not accept integration with either group. But in the northern black ghettos, Jews were considered interlopers and exploiters. A large percentage of the businesses in inner cities were Jewish-owned. Complaints of high prices, shoddy merchandise and what blacks considered exploitative businesses practices (such as requiring a purchase to cash a welfare check) abounded and, of course, were not entirely without merit. Black “leaders” like Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson and Al “Freddie’s Fashion Mart” Sharpton (who always was careful to reference the “interlopers” as “white”) did what they could to exacerbate the situation. When Jewish businesses got burned out in Detroit, they didn’t come back. When they got burned out in Watts, they didn’t come back. Another reason for resentment (sure, we don’t want you here and, yes, we burned down your stores, but how dare you not be here when we need you here).
The thing that ultimately will do in the Democratic party is the fractious nature of its coalition. Now and for the near future, the most important Democratic constituency is African-American (watch out though, black voters, the Hispanics are surging). To be successful, the Dems require complete fealty from black voters so much so that one would expect any conflict between their bloc and Jewish voters to be resolved in their favor. My guess is this was a case of gay campaign contributions redux. While the Jewish vote is less critical than the black vote, the Jews do have all that money. And besides, the black vote is not going to desert the first black president no matter how many bouquets are tossed to the Israel lobby.
I’d guess the majority of American Jews are not Zionists. In fact, the existence of a “Jewish state” seems to embarrass them (as do Orthodox Jews). Furthermore, they are social progressives and at least pretend a dedication to “social justice” preferring, apparently, that it be accomplished through government entitlement programs and other redistributive policies. “Jewish guilt,” after all, is a real phenomenon, not just fodder for Yiddish comedians on the rubber chicken circuit. I frankly, Roger, don’t have the slightest idea how to appeal to them. They are cossetted by the belief that what happened in Europe won’t ever happen again and, in any event, could never happen here. I agree with the latter at least and pray it will ever be such, but I always keep in the back of my mind that German Jews did not believe it could happen there either even when it was happening right under their noses. Since they see no risk of another Holocaust, they see no reason for the sanctuary of a Jewish state. “Never again” has no real meaning for them.
I’m not comfortable questioning another’s professed faith. But President Obama has said he was told he could not be effective as an organizer in the black community unless he was affiliated with a Christian church. He said further that after he “came to Jesus,” he searched for a church that “could speak to me.” It’s highly illustrative, I think, that he ultimately chose a church that espoused a racist, Marxist, separatist, anti-Semitic liberation theology with a pastor to match. In any event, Obama apparently has few, if any, Christian-Judeo sensibilities and certainly no tradition. I honestly believe he has no affinity nor much use for either Israel or the Jews. He gives lip service because that’s what political expedience demands. I can’t imagine how anyone who stands with Israel could vote for him.
Sukie, you make sense, as usual. Except for one thing: you undersell Hispanics. They already dwarf the African-American population and the election of Obama before a Hispanic was an anomaly. In recent years, roughly one half the births in the US have been Hispanic. According to one stat I read, by 2050 they will comprise 30% of our population, in California and similar places, undoubtedly a lot more. Tinenes que practicar la idioma.
As for persuading Jews to change, yes, it’s wildly difficult. But it can be done. I know a few who have changed – and I’m one of them. You know others. If you give up the fight, you have automatically lost. As somebody famous once said, if not now, when?
from where i sit in Miami HISPANICS does not mean automatic Dem or R- you have a divide by culture. Sme as with Jews it is not one big collectively thinking group. Here Hispanic tends to mean Cuban and South Americans very familiar with and often refugees from communism and dictatorships of charistmatic class dividing leaders- people who saw how it happened and see the echoes of it in the D party-most of these identify themselves as “white”
out west you tend to have Mexicans as majority of Hispanics- people who admire big labor, and “grass roots” leaders who were communists (like the San Antonio mayor’s mom)these Hispanics admire and join movements like La Raza emphasizing “social Justice” and as a group know little about JEWs or ISrael and in more case were openly taught to despise them and are quite hostile to USA. These people identify as “brown” and as victims of whites and tend to vote in solidarity by color.
Noted, Roger. LA County (where you live) I believe has already flipped. So, why are we bothering with a handful of Jews when we should be out there trying to recruit legions of Latinos??
I kid, of course, but quite honestly, I don’t have a clue how to craft an appeal based on someone’s ethnicity, race or religion. I know what my core values are, believe them to be universal, am able to adequately articulate them and think I do a creditable job debating the issues. But that’s pretty much all I’ve got. Is there a key to heart and mind of the liberal Jew? Something that would persuade him to act in a way contrary to his entire tradition, his cultural Zeitgeist? How do you arouse an awakening?
Mr Simon,
My problem is I think jews are to smart to be liberals, especially considering how anti semetic liberals are.
I can see blacks being liberals because rich white liberals so completely destroyed the black family unit that many are dependent on the government, plus blacks enforce racial political hemogency (ie when Condelliza Rice and other black conservatives are dismissed as Uncle Toms) and self enforced low standards, ie calling blacks who try to educate themselves as acting white.
yet jews don’t suffer the same problems as blacks. Jews, as far as I know, don’t see education as a bad thing, and don’t have the same levels of out of wedlock childrens.
When I think of blacks in the US I think of people to damaged by the left to be able to do anything but worship the party of the klansman Robert Byrd. I just don’t get the jews obession. It’s like jews are suicidal.
At this point, I’m not sure what future this country has, but would like to understand why many jews (not all of course) are self destructive before the liberals start another purge. I haven’t heard anything yet here that gives me a eureka moment. If the jews aren’t persuaded by the Democrats and liberals own actions and words, I’m not how we can reach them.
College kids get dose of anti colonial, anti israeli propaganda from their professors.
African Americans see the Israeli/Palestinian contrast and are reminded of their own relative lack of economic success.
Other emerging ethnicities like latinos, hindus, and asians have no sense of who the Jews really are.
Throw in some old school anti-semites and David Geffen’s money will no longer be able to fight off the anti-Israeli caucus of the Democrat Party.
Sooner or later, idiots like Geffen will have to start giving money to Republicans.
Well, said, but i think Hindus and Asian know who Jews are, admire them, and aspire to their success.
Blacks just want to take it away.
While most asians and indians are willing to work hard for success like jews, many are strangely more comfortable siding with the liberals. I guess that will depend on if they get taxed more by Democrats and are smart enough to realize it’s the Democrats doing it as lefties love to blame every house fire they set on Republicans.
The Democrat party is so schizophrenic. It’s not diverse the way they like to make it appear. It’s where predator and prey like to pretend they are friends. It’s like seeing a picture where wolves and rabbits are side by side, at some point the wolves are going to eat the rabbits, and you wonder if the rabbits realize it or not.
The rich liberals work to destroy the middle class with taxes to give to those who don’t work and the illegals, but that means the middle class can’t buy the things that made the liberals rich in the first place, like over priced GM cars. Hollywood has seen ticket sales go bust except for a few flukes like Avengers or the Harry Potter series, and they never wonder if it’s because people have less disposible income to pay for movies, and if the left’s love of the outlaws like OWS means left leaning people won’t just download their movies online for free.
So… other then the blacks whose communities the liberals have destroyed I don’t see why other non whites flock to the Democrats. Shouldn’t looking at Detroit, or Obama’s ‘you didn’t build that’ speech wake more people up?
The GOP is hauling in the big bucks with Adelson’s millions. Lots more useful than a few paltry votes from people too smart to vote for Mitt.
Adelson might be part of a plot to reelect Obama! Funnel tons of money towards an unpopular candidate, and watch Obama win. Not every conspiracy is a theory.
“Not that the Democratic Party is the equivalent of the Nazi Party, even remotely.”
Tell it to the hundreds of people who were rounded up and thrown in prison, solely because of their political beliefs, by the Wilson and Truman administration
Tell that to the millions of slaves who were once “owned” by Democrats.
Tell that to the thousands and thousands of people murdered by the Democrats when they were using the KKK and the Redshirts like the Nazis used the SA.
Tell it to the Blacks who were subjected (and some killed) in a Mengele-like medical “experiment” overseen by the Roosevelt administration.
There’s plenty of similarities between the Democrats and the Nazis.
Unlike the Republicans.
The colorful history of the fascist Democrat Party is one reason why I’ll NEVER vote for a Democrat.
Who again was President when they interred the Japanese?
That would be FDR. He also stopped admitting European Jews to the United States during the War. Ship of Fools.
Don’t forget the Conscience of the Democratic Party: Robert Byrd held the titles Kleagle (recruiter) and Exalted Cyclops.
In 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi Senator Theodore G. Bilbo:
I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side … Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.
—Robert C. Byrd
He filibustered against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
“Conventions … so planned and canned. That is why I cannot believe that Barack Obama (or his clone Valerie Jarrett) did not approve the platform in advance.”
Ah, but people don’t believe Obama was the Birther-in-Chief when he claimed to be born in Kenya in his autobiography. If One believes that, one believes everything including Obama, the most Brilliant man who ever lived, didn’t approve the platform. Oh, Romney was to be held accountable for Akin’s stupidity.
Dershowitz’s comment perfectly encapsulates the liberal mind and explains why they will never come around. To them, it was the WORDS in the platform that were the problem, not the ideas they represent. Because, quite frankly liberals don’t really stand for anything, they just pretend (even to themselves) that they do.
I listen to a fair amount of Christian radio programing here in western Tennessee. From what I have heard over the last year or so of daily listening, is that Evangelical Christians are what Jews should regards as their closest allies. I have heard no disparaging comments about Jews and much of the programing is fully supportive of Israel. Most of the personalities who host the programs are southern. I do hear some dismay as to why so many Jews vote for and financially support the democrats and Obama.
The future awakening, if at all, of liberal Jews in America will be painful. I don’t care to rain on your parade, Roger. I came to Israel because of a sense that it is my true home, and because I think it can serve not only as a refuge for Jews – but as a place to realize at least some of the Jewish national mission.
However, the road from the current situation in which Rabbi Wolpe perfectly encapsulates the mind-set of most liberal Jews, to one of sanity, is a very long one. Jews in the United States have essentially followed German patterns of assimilation. The intermarriage rates are a reflection both of the success of acceptance (or ‘past acceptance’ or partial acceptance) and the deep unease with which the majority of Jewish Americans now regard, well, Zionism.
Israel is a great country in many ways, full of life. The liberal or left Jews who will vote Obama either do not know this or believe they can reconcile some concern for Israel with voting for the friends of Khalidi, Wright, Farrakhan, Ayers, Doehrn, Jarrett, etc.
The doors of Israel, despite the ‘success’ of those folks in repealing the Law of Return, remain open. Meanwhile, events and time will push a minority of Jews in America in the direction you seek – but not nearly enough.
That is another difficulty with regards to changing the voting patterns of American Jewry. Many of them that would change their vote, instead vote with their feet and leave the US for Israel.
I can see that. I used to be implored by my parents’ more Jewish-identified friends to stay in the US, as they bemoaned their own kids’ lack of interest in anything Jewish. Well, in any case American Jews who make Aliyah to Israel frequently go back for weeks and months every year, so it’s not as if they could not impact the liberals. But the liberals have their ears shut.
It will not happen here as long as we have the second amendment, which the Democrats are also trying to take away, just like every tyranny before them. I (an evangelical Christian) will stand by you with my guns and religion.
Actually, the reason why Jews are so confoundedly wedded to the Democrats (and, historically to lefitsm in general) is quite simple.
And the reason is based in theology rather than psychology or even history:
Whittled down to its core, Judaism believes in “Heaven On Earth”.
I’m no Jewish scholar (in fact I’m neither Jewish or a scholar), but from reading about the Jews’ concept of Heaven, and speaking to observant Jews on the matter, it’s clear to me that they see God’s injunction to be for good Jews to do their best to realize Heaven On Earth, “in this life”.
And what is this “Heaven On Earth” concept in philosophical terms? Right in one: Utopia. And what is the secular creed that peddles — indeed, is based on — Utopianism? Leftism. Leftism, the creed that believes in the perfectibility of human nature.
Never mind that it’s a false creed. Never mind that it invariably results in failure and, often, mountains of corpses.
It’s religion. It’s faith. And leftism is a religion — and an easy and even logical one to slide into from the “Heaven On Earth” tenets of Judaism.
The American Congress supports the Jewish State and the Israelis, the majority of American Jews (liberals and Reformed) do not. They love their dhimmi status in the US. They firmly believe in Universalism and perhaps egalitarianism. The result is the elimination of everything that define the individual self to the benefit of the billions of ghosts with no more identity. They want to get us back to the Big Bang time.
“They love their dhimmi status in the US.”
And that’s because they’re not hurting yet. Having dhimmied themselves, they’re not paying for it yet in jizya, as subject to Shari’a Law, or worse. Where will “women’s reproductive rights” (sic) be when Muslims are a strong enough presence to impose their 6th-century views of women? Secular Jews are like the proverbial grasshopper in Aesop’s Fable “The Grasshopper and the Ants” which, in addition to teaching the virtues of hard work, teaches the perils of improvidence.
Jews in America have it very, very good. Unfortunately, they’ve taken all of their privileges and entitlements for granted and have been lulled into an almost drug-like stupor. The writing’s on the wall as demonstrated by the exclusion of God and Jerusalem at the DNC. (It’s immaterial that these exclusions were turned around. The real heart of the Democratic Party was revealed.)
And Jewish people are still going to overwhelmingly vote Democrat? ‘Talk about dancing on their own graves.
Wake up!
As a Jew, my wife and I have some liberal Jewish friends. I believe that it would take them being hit on the head with a 2×4 to make them change their vote. They simply refuse to see the truth. They have not left the Democratic party; however, the Democratic party has left them. They can not see the fact that they are about to be mugged by their own Government/party. As the Nazis would say to their dead relatives, “We are sending you for a vacation in the East.” They believe anything told to them by the Obama/Goebels propaganda media. We saw the message that the Arab Democrats were trying to vet. They had the plank the way they wanted, they lost this time. The majority would have kept the anti-Israel plank the way it was. Without Israel the American Jew is in the same position the Jews of Germany were in prior to 1933. When the German Jews were asked what they were, they answered a German first, a Jew second. Just ask a secular Jew what he is, his answer will have a familiar ring. The closer to the election we get the more I despair. There is nobody out there to yell to them that the Cossacks are coming.
Then:
“Let future generations say that this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow, and the earth began to heal.”
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Now:
“Let future generations say that this is the moment when the young women of this great land began to have access to all the contraception they needed to fulfill their desires to ‘partay’ to the fullest, and when no fetus, no matter how old, could ever again escape the forceps of a woman’s right to choose. That this was the moment when Israelis came to realize Jerusalem was forever beyond their grasp, and the Palestinians, that it was within theirs.”
Roger;
Very deliberate & somber piece as is to be expected from your quill. However, what a difference a day makes, comparing your writ today w/ the rakish humor in your send-up on Kommandant Klinton. That one simply cracked me up. I consider your clever attempt to get into the dark recesses of his ego filled w/ depravity better than the dry humor of one of my fave scribes at the Patriot Post, Burt Prelutsky. I bet you know him since he’s also one of the few Hollywood Jews w/ common sense & therefore liberated of the lib dogma.
However, I am – as so many readers are – stumped also by your double naivete; from an erudite man like you. Ad 1. Re: that his 0-ness didn’t order/approved the godless platform. Ad 2. The contemporary Dem party is not a Nazi party.
My take: 1. Have you listened to & watched this fraud’s misdeeds? 2. Not yet but well on its way. Just like the Nazis didn’t gain totalitarian power overnight but by propaganda, intimidation & brute force, in that order. Take my word for it. My family’s been fighting the red-brown menace for three generations. I hope you still get to read the comments including mine. You have a bunch of insightful, nonplussed readers including reasoning Jews.
Here’s an excerpt from my book, published in Prague in 2000 – (I am a believer now & read the Bible, both OT & NT daily & support Jews/Israel even more now):
The worst outrage of the American Left in education and media is the many decades long denial and hush up of the victims of communism. The latest reliable estimates of casualties have passed the 100 Million mark! Only the Holocaust is being repeated, as if other nations didn’t suffer as well. Just an example of how the Nazis thought of us Slavs; we were barely above the Jews, so we would be allowed to live as factory slaves. When the two Czech resistance fighters, J. Gabčík and J. Kubiš, parachuted in from London, killed the SS henchman Heydrich in Prague during WWII, the Nazis in retaliation wiped out an entire village, Lidice (means Human Place, by the way). It was their official policy; one SS life equals ten thousand of the inferior Czechs! On the day of the “protector’s” state funeral in Prague – even Adolf attended – the SS gassed 3,000 Jews. The efficient comrade Heydrich was the very inventor of the “final solution!”
Of course, the US media is full of secular Jewish-descent leftist eggheads. I bet that this alone might turn the stomach of almighty Yahweh himself. Such a combination is an example of really black and sarcastic humor. Every snotty kid in Europe knows that the Russian, as well as the Soviet, empire was and is very much and thoroughly anti-Semitic and pro-Arab. To illustrate, the EU media celebrated Chechen “freedom fighters” who asked for asylum in Cuba. The latter fact was never reported here. Even the word “pogrom” is Russian. The same goes for most of the also leftist European elites. They are either overtly or covertly anti-Semitic or anti Israel.
I still see my mum family in the late ‘50s around that huge tube radio, and my college underground buddies in the ‘60s hunkered around the first transistor battery-run radios, our ears and minds in total focus on the heavily jammed broadcasts of the RFE (from Munich), Radio Luxembourg and VOA (Voice of America) in accent-free Czech with American music. Despite the excitement, our breathing was shallow as not to miss a word, a syllable, and a hint of the only objective and most important information to be had. Only after the broadcast, we’d exchange mental notes and pieced it together from our recollections and sifting out the meaning from the noise.
In this exact manner, we’d found out about the Six Day War and Israel’s victory. The official line supported, of course, Egypt and the Arab coalition against the evil Jews. All three generations of us unabashedly cheered for Israel. The motives weren’t only political but historical and in-kind – people of a small oppressed country rooting for another small country fighting for its survival. Herein is the huge anomaly between a European conservative pro-American atheist family being pro-Israel and the American atheists being anti-Semitic and anti-American/Bill of Rights sourpusses.
Lastly, Roger, have you read Sam Pisar’s “Of Blood and Hope” & Chaim Potok’s “Wanderings?” I’d highly recommend it.
I forgot to praise cfbleachers. As I’ve mentioned here before, your detailed & factual comments save me lot of time explaining the same. After all, English is not even my 2nd tongue & on top of it, I’d taught myself & still do. I enjoy it when I have to look up/google a new ‘Emerikan Inglish’ term or slang.
I’ve got your back & I know you’ve got mine.
One more thing (I thought someone here’d write about it). I happened to be there. I am talking about the 20th Summer Olympiad in Munich 1972. Eleven Israeli athletes were murdered 40 years ago today by Palestinian terrorists ‘Black September.’ The current Hamas leader financed it. Arafat tacitly approved it. When that POS got the Nobel Prize, I was vomiting for a month.
In 1942, my Grand Father and 2 Grand Uncles were picked up by the gestapo.
They told the family to come see them tuesday since monday will be a trial and wednesday will be an execution. the families arrived on monday. our fathers were already killed. my family would not believe that their country would be overrun by the nazis. it was too late when it happened.
Vienna, Austria.
we are always just 1 day away from tyranny.
While I don’t own a gun (I may as we get closer to the election as I feel the liberals will riot when Obama loses) I support people’s right to. It’s the understanding of human history and how quickly civilizations can turn on itself that makes me feel we are all far better off prepared for self defense.
Most of human history has been facist governments of what type or another. Most have been monachies, some king or emperor sitting on a throne owning all the land, and the vast majority of people used as cannon fodder or forced labor. Democracies are a rarity, and as Hitler’s rise to power people are able to vote in monster. Some don’t realize politicans lie.
. While the left call us Nazis, all one has to do is read enough from liberals to see they are eager for a communist style purge. The OWS was just the Democratic brownshirts committing kristallnacht across American cities. While the media isn’t state sponsered they do worship the Democrats, and were trying to cover up the damage done by the OWS until it couldn’t be covered up, then they were just ignored. Lefties won’t mention OWS any more then they do jihadist’s murders. Look at the left’s response to the Zimmerman case, the called for the murder of Zimmerman without a trial, and Spike Lee twitted an address he mistakenly thought was Zimmerman’s parents house. The left won’t condemn his actions, they just shrug it off and pretend it didn’t happen.
The left is full of hate, and during the Bush years I’ve come to believe they are beyond reasoning. They disrupt right wing politicans without fear of condemnation, left wing goons show up at the homes of their opponents, right wingers are slanders in the media and entertainment industry. I don’t see how anyone can’t feel like we’re living the 1930s Germany. The left is unhinged, and they leaders are willing to fan the flames, unwilling if they end up ruling over a ruined nation as long as they are the unquestioned leaders.
Nazis, Communists, Liberals… all the same. I feel what has happened before will happen again, the 2nd Amendment is the only thing holding the left off for now. How long can the left contain themselves when they’re so stupid and angry?
After thinking and brain racking for years on how ever a people like the Jews could conceivably be such liberal idiots, and invite the unspeakable things that happened to them as a people to happen again, I have only to say that the holocaust must have shocked their brains into believing that they must always refuse to protect themselves and to give power to the people that hate them.
I can find no other reason for a highly educated people to ignore history and deliberately try to make themselves helpless.
If anything Simon’s article is too soft, the DNC booing Jerusalem as the united capital of Israel is not ‘close to anti-Semitism’, it is anti-Semitism. It is pure and extreme Jew-hatred at that. It is associated with a deligitimization of Israel, since it does not recognize the Jewish capital of the Jewish state’s legitimacy. Yet most American Jews will vote for Obama again (for the record I wouldn’t even bother voting, I think your political system is an unfunny joke), no matter.
It is not just chilling btw, it is an omen, as other commentators above allude to (I haven’t read everyone’s comments). And not just a bad omen for Israel, it is a bad omen for American Jews. And with notable exceptions, I am at the point where I no longer care for the most part about American Jewry, unfortunately their innocent children will suffer the consequences. Although with that said, it’s not as if Tel Aviv’s Jews are much better and we have less excuse.
With that said, I appreciate the Left’s Jew-hatred being increasingly out in the open, Jewry can either defect from the Left (and yes more and more will do that) or they can sink into pathological Denial (with a capital D) and/or self-loathing, and that is also increasingly the case.
Also even though I am not a religious man in the Orthodox sense, I find the leaving out of God, well a delusional kind of hubris; yet it is no more surprising from the increasingly fascist Left, than their Jew-hatred. In both cases, they are getting back to their roots and appealing to their base. And Dershowitz is in denial, it clearly shocks him, like the typical Jewish pro-Israel Leftist, he is caught up in a doublethink, and STILL can’t face reality. Still. Well reality will swallow him up, no getting away from the real world in the end…
Of course, the US media is full of secular Jewish-descent leftist eggheads. I bet that this alone might turn the stomach of almighty Yahweh himself. Such a combination is an example of really black and sarcastic humor. Every snotty kid in Europe knows that the Russian, as well as the Soviet, empire was and is very much and thoroughly anti-Semitic and pro-Arab. To illustrate, the EU media celebrated Chechen “freedom fighters” who asked for asylum in Cuba. The latter fact was never reported here. Even the word “pogrom” is Russian. The same goes for most of the also leftist European elites. They are either overtly or covertly anti-Semitic or anti Israel.
I still see my mum family in the late ‘50s around that huge tube radio, and my college underground buddies in the ‘60s hunkered around the first transistor battery-run radios, our ears and minds in total focus on the heavily jammed broadcasts of the RFE (from Munich), Radio Luxembourg and VOA (Voice of America) in accent-free Czech with American music. Despite the excitement, our breathing was shallow as not to miss a word, a syllable, and a hint of the only objective and most important information to be had. Only after the broadcast, we’d exchange mental notes and pieced it together from our recollections and sifting out the meaning from the noise.
The sight on the Democratic Convention floor at the time of the voice vote would have done Stalin proud. That so many American jews continue thier blindf allegiance to the democrats makes it easier to understand why so many Jews in Europe went passivity to their deaths, encouraged by their ciommunity leaders that reistance was both hopeless and would be “counter-productive”.
It’s funny because I always wondered why all the jews didn’t fight back like the ones in the Warsaw ghetto. Perhaps the case is the ones who resisted were almost all slaughtered and the surviving jews were the ones in hiding or survived the death camps, so the mentally of surrendering to fate was the one that continued.
Most jews, and all liberals, seem to enforce the mentallity of “there is little hope don’t make it worse” rather then the “there is little hope we need to fight harder”.
It’s funny because most movies and tv shows usually portray standing one’s ground as abad thing. Even Speilberg’s Munich tried to show the Israel operatives as conflicted and not sure if they were doing the right thing. Movies that side with “fight for your rights” are dismissed and spit upon by the Roger Eberts of the world. Movies like Walking Tall are called ‘revenge fantasies’ despite all fictional movies are fantasies – it’s the idea that you can fight for something good that you believe in that disgusts liberals. For lberals it’s more romantics to be a criminal.
Most Jewish democrats ignore that the proud Senator Lieberman refused to support Barack Obama in 2008 and are oblivious to the fact that the most outstanding, talented Jewish individuals in public life uniformly saw the obvious dangers of an Obama presidency and warned against it. They include courageous Fox News commentator Charles Krauthammer, former White House Press secretary Arie Fleischer, American Enterprise Institute scholar, Joshua Muravchik, columnist and editor of the Weekly Standard Bill Kristol, former campaign advisor to President Bill Clinton, Dick Morris, Editor of Frontpage Magazine, David Horowitz, National Review columnist Jonah Goldberg, author of “Liberal Fascism,”, author and columnist Dennis Prager, writer Monah Charen, author of “Useful Idiots,” Dianna West, author of “The Death of the Grown-Up,” editor of Commentary Norman Podhoretz, writer Bernie Goldberg (“Bias”), author Ronald Radosh, film producer David Zucker and comedian Jackie Mason pleaded with the Jewish community not to ignore the most critical evidence that many of Obama’s close associates were and are overtly hostile to Israel.
Among those prominent Jews who argued strongly for Barack Obama in 2008 were former Mayor of New York City, Ed Koch (who recently reversed himself but will likely do so again), the country’s most well-known trial lawyer Alan Dershowitz, Republican congressional candidate Rabbi Shmuely Boteach, publisher and editor Mortimer Zuckerman, who have since removed the Obama stickers from their cars and are now pleading ignorance or betrayal.
You will often hear many Reform Jews claim that overwhelming Jewish support for the democrats in 2008 election is consistent with the Jewish vote in presidential elections for the past century. The Democrat world-view that still holds an anachronistic strangle hold on many Jews and ignores Jewish support for Republican or Fusion candidates like Javitz and La Guardia or even for the socialists rather than for the Democrat Party that was previously identified in large parts of the country until the 1960s with prohibition, Sunday “blue laws,” discrimination against blacks, and segregation. Under Democrat President Wilson, the rebirth of the Ku Klux Klan in the South and the notorious ‘red scares’ in which thousands of East European and Jewish immigrants were deported, and imprisoned for their stand against American entry into the war caused a revulsion among Jewish voters. In 1920, they elected 10 Jewish Republicans and two Socialists to Congress – probably the last time Jews voted for Jewish candidates to protect Jewish interests.
Many Jewish liberals whose identity had been stamped three generations ago by their grandparents under FDR, continue to picture themselves as enlightened and the true inheritors of the mantle of Jewish concerns for “social justice,” followed Obama wherever he led, rather than view the candidates with an open mind.
I wrote about this on my, as well at http://thediplomad.blogspot.com/2012/09/god-jerusalem-and-dnc-sorry-but.html
The DNC reminded me of some fringe 1930s socialist party, not the convention of the world’s oldest political party.
Fear not for the Jewsih vote will still go to Obama inspite og him kicking their teeth down their collective throats. It just how they roll.
Two generations back I heard our Bubbies sing praises for “Roosenvelt” the savior, never mind the ship that he turned back to Nazi Germany. Why do we follow blindly in the name of inclusion? And the Jewish celebrities were paraded out like a Purim shpiel. Sadly many American Jews do not identify with Israel but Rahm and Natalie? And didn’t Spielberg document enough atrocities? In 2008 when I saw the arena with the Greek columns was I the only person who the SS?
In 2009, I saw the celebration in Grant Park,Chicago on TV as the biggest dog-and-pony show ever and the stage setting immediately made me think of the imagery of “Potemkin villages.” I believe that we are in mortal peril of losing the Constitution and representative government in much less than 4 years. Germans had lost it all by the middle of 1935. I believe that we are in the rough equivalent of late 1933 RIGHT NOW.
The pattern of denial lives! Do we need another 6 million plus before getting our head’s out of our armpits.
Clinton is a blatant anti-semite. While in Israel when they visited, the Jerusalem Post had a photo of Hillary hugging Arafat’s wife, no friend of the Jews there.
This administration has a large number of “self hating” Jews,,Rahm being one.
We Jews are obligated to help others but if we don’t help and protect ourselves we are worthless.
The Islamists clearly state what they have in store for all of us who aren’t them.
Things are going on in the U.S. right now to end our rights as citizens, if you don’t believe this, go to radicalislam.org. Everything there is sourced and verifiable.. It is a wake up on a daily basis what is happening, we need to pay attention,,think about it!
The discussion on this forum is very informative and the posters very objective in their observations. What a pleasant change after reading the shrill and hate at left wing blogs.
My parents are holocaust survivors but, my father, also a refugee from Czechoslovakia where he witnessed the Communist takeover. He had a balanced view of totalitarian ideology, not only attributing it’s abuses to the right. Fascism was temporarily vanquished after WW2 so he realized that the remaining threat came from the far left. His politics was not specifically left or right but anti-Communism played a major role and it became apparent, by the late 1960′s the Democrat Party did not represent that philosophy. Mistrust in government institutions and their potential to abuse power led me to become a libertarian Republican. I spent some time with the Libertarian Party but felt that the type of isolationist and non-interventionalist thought was inconsistent with current global realities.
I have been disappointed and frustrated at the failure of Jewish voters to re-assess their support for the Democrat Party. The perceptions of anti-Israel attitudes in the GOP are inaccurate and often based on statements by a few who have ties to the oil industry. There is also a suspicion of American Christian evangelism which is not understood and not adequately differentiated from the history of European Christians who resorted to coercion and persecution to effect conversions.