Ask Walid: Michael Bloomberg Doesn’t Speak Arabic and Other Tales of the Ground Zero Mosque
A couple of days ago, Claudia Rosett wondered on these very digital pages “Seriously, Where is Imam Feisal…?” It seems the would-be Ground Zero mosque entrepreneur has mysteriously vanished into the Middle East (or somewhere), on a stipend from the good folks at our generous State Department, to drum up what one assumes to be mountains of cash to build his great monument to religious comity — or is it the spread of sharia — in the flight line of 9/11.
The last thing anybody wants in this instance is questions. These days even someone from the MSM might — Heaven forfend! — ask him something embarrassing. (Well, maybe not, but at least some loose cannon from those nasties at Fox News.) So no surprise that Feisal Rauf, much like Sharif Ali in Lawrence, has vanished into the desert in a cloud of dust, for now anyway, although no one could mistake the Ground Zero imam for Omar Sharif, even on Rauf’s best hair day ever.
Meanwhile, questions do abound. Just what is Rauf’s intention in building the mega-mosque within yards of Ground Zero when there is plenty of other real estate in the five boroughs for such an enterprise? What is he trying to tell us and the Islamic world? (Same thing?) And what about all those rumors that he supports Hamas or that the mosque is really a stalking horse for the infiltration of sharia, with all its misogynist and homophobic decrees, into America? (Listen up, Gloria Steinem!)
And now, suddenly, Haaretz is reporting that the Muslim community has seen the error of its ways and is looking for another venue. And then we hear that is not true and Haaretz was engaged in some form of wishful thinking.
Confusing, isn’t it? And all that without even getting into the views of our president and the execrable mayor of New York, who apparently knows less about sharia law than my dead grandmother knows about Lady Gaga.
But never fear, PJ Media and PJTV have decided to do something truly reckless. Ask someone who speaks Arabic.
Better yet, we have asked a former terrorist — our good buddy Walid Shoebat.
Walid has been scouring the Arabic-speaking Internet for the words of Imam Rauf. Does Rauf say the same things in Arabic as he does in English? Yes, we know that almost every politician, like, say, to pick a completely random example, Michael Bloomberg, will say one thing to a certain group and a contradictory thing to another. But usually this is just so much blather, that can do no more than, say, bankrupt us. What Rauf talks about would destroy our civilization, as you will see below. Sure, he has the right to say these things, under our Constitution. But are we imbeciles to give him a royal platform on which to proclaim them?
Thanks Mr.Simon, please stay the course on this one; things are starting to getting very interesting. Imam Rauf is quaking in his boots right about now. I’ll bet he’s too afraid to return to our shores; in fact, I know it. Thanks for exposing even more about this ‘taqiyyameistr’ who in his own minds thinks he has all infidels by the proverbial gonads.
I think the mosque is a bad idea, but I don’t like to become so locked into a p.o.v. that I shut out any information that is contrary. The quotes from Feisal in this piece don’t sound good…but they’re not quite the “smoking gun” about Sharia that Simon, which leaves open the possibility that they’re taken out of context. According to an op ed by William Dalrymple (I know nothing about him) in the NY Times today, Feisal is a leading light of the Sufi branch of Islam, which is in fact something much closer to a faith we could all get along with, and really does preach tolerance. Could the “religions don’t dialog” quote mean “religious institutions don’t dialog, but people can?”. I don’t know, and I don’t know if Feisal is in fact a real practitioner of Sufiism. But I wish there were some definitive way to find out… resolve this dichotomy. Either way, I’m still against the mosque, but this does affect my understanding of the real motives of the people behind it… misguided, or malicious?
If this imam’s purpose is “dialog,” building cultural bridges and so on, a requirement for that would be to denounce Islamic terrorism, Al Qaeda, the destruction of the World Trade Center and thousands of innocent lives. To dissociate their understanding of Islam from those who stand for war with nonbelievers and the slaughter of innocents. And that the reason to build this mosque and cultural center next to Ground Zero is to stand in solidarity with those who died there and those who wish to purge hatred and violence in the name of Islam or otherwise from the world.
Why have they said no such thing? Why do we “not know” what their intentions are in building a mosque in, of all places, precisely the one place that would cause the most pain? Maybe they just haven’t quite gotten around to mentioning it yet, do you suppose? I submit it is because they do not condemn the 9/11 attacks, nor do they believe Al Qaeda and the other “Islamic” murderers of the world are wrong.
So, why would we give these conspicuously silent people the benefit of the doubt? It would be easy for them to clarify their noble, friendly and multicultural intentions if they indeed had them. The notion that we are somehow setting an inspirational example to Muslims and others around the world with our enlightened “tolerance” of people who explicitly or tacitly support murder, violence in genocide, while we reserve the worst possible condemnations for our political adversaries here in the U.S., is preposterous. Allowing what will no doubt be seen as a triumphal affirmation of the inevitable righteousness of jihad, at the very site of jihad’s breates modern victory will not inspire respect. The only thing it will inspire is laughter, deeper contempt and more violence.
If these people were trying to build bridges and heal wounds, they would have made that clear by now. The fact they don’t think it’s necessary at this, of all places, speaks volumes.
Sufi Muslims are not peaceful as you think
We have footage of them screaming for the return of the Caliphate in Turkey and they also belief in Jihad but the Mahdi has to come first to destroy the Jews and Christians in the end.
They also are tiny sect out of 1.5 billion muslims.
It is the usual wishful thinking that the West like Israel are looking for hope where there is none.
Feisal “Taqqiyah” Rauf would be the first one in line stoning infidels under Sharia here… hope his dissembling behind stays over there.
The Imam Feisal is in Riyahd raising money to build a Jewish Temple in Medina, but it’s going to be Reform so it will support the destruction of Israel.
Hilarious, thanks for the dark laugh of the day.
The 78% of Jews who voted for Obama should be proud.
funny.
It is very important to track what Arab leaders say in Arabic, not only what they say in English. MEMRI http://www.memri.org has been doing exactly that for years.
Bloomberg is a typical squishy, see no evil, hear no evil liberal, refusing to take a (moral) stand, comfortable cloaking himself under the mantle of tolerance, but only for the most intolerant of all.
For IF he truly believed that every American has an inherent religious right to freedom of worship, at a site which renders it legal to do so, why does he eschew the rights of those who rightfully view this site as hallowed ground?
While the Imam and his followers view this site as the ONLY one that will suit their purposes, Bloomberg and his fellow travelers refuse to acknowledge why this site is so important to them.They refuse to internalize why the mosque is called Cordoba, what its significance is.When one puts together these two facts, that the landing gear slammed into the site,(marking Islam’s supremacy and evisceration of Judeo Christian, western foundations)coupled with the fact that the mosque will be named after a Muslim site of conquest, what part of this scenario is lost on our (il)liberal elitists? Is there supposed to be tolerance for the intolerant(Muslims who won’t consider other houses of worship at the site, Muslims who are hell bent on implanting Sharia Law in the US, supplanting freedoms for everyone but Muslims)but no such tolerance for the majority of Americans who are DEEPLY outraged by this travesty of injustice, this Muslim finger in the eye of American sensibilities?
Western elitists will rue the day that they took the path of least resistance against Islamists who are aimed for our throats.For if they were serious about learning about Islam’s political and religious ideology, they would make sure to become immersed in Arabic and monitor the doublespeak-taquiya-which permeates the Muslim community.ForewarnedIS forearmed.
Adina, Mayor Bloomberg has big time investments in Saudi Arabia.
I think that really explains his position on the mosque.
According to Debka, the Russians are bringing Bushehr on-line on Saturday. They waited to see if Israel or the US would throw a fit at the earlier announcement. Given the relatively calm response, Putin has now decided to personally guarantee an ongoing ability to produce plutonium for nukes.
Hi Larry.
Nu, so tell me more about improvising. I read the Debka thing this morning.
Let’s hope that Hashem knows what’s in Bibi’s heart and mind, and that the PM has set aside important moments for reflection each day. I don’t have much to add, Terry, except may the security services gain special protection in the days, weeks and months ahead.
See you in October.
right, bloomberg is no liberal. he is an embarrassment to jews everywhere, using his jewishness to hide the fact that he’s in bed with these moslems and especially this soho properties guy. the whole thing is so disgusting, so vile and nauseating that i cannot imagine less than the most horrendous violence if this abomination gets constructed. the fact that our own american politicians are so cowardly and greedy, like pigs at a trough with these murderous, treacherous moslems should be reason enough to throw them all in jail for treason. they can all share a jail cell with our first islamic ex-president.
What’s in it for Traitor Bloomberg??? Oh that’s right more monies.
“Sham is a ‘truther’? I shoulda known. rotfl”
Do you have the truth?
“Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions.”
– C.K. Chesterton
Adina, Blomberg is one more proof that the perfect money making machine can also be a political imbecille. The cretin doesn’t understand that if the Islamo-Fascists, towards whom he is so tolerant and understanding, ever win the power in the US, he and other traitors like him shall be swept by the tide of barbarism, he is helping to unleash.
And he is not alone in his idiocy. The other prominent American Jews and particularily movie moguls like Spielberg, Katzenberg, Geffen have also lost their souls and minds.
What is this business of exploiting someone who speaks and reads Arabic? Please do not try pleading with us that it is epic common sense. I think the C.A.I.R. would say this is clearly a racist hate move, and the C.A.I.R. can be trusted, right? x}
My only concern is that you should also write a new column with this Shoebat fellow’s ranting, since some of us do not like PJTV format — it’s hateful and not enough like al-Jazeera, because al-Jazeera can be trusted, right? x}
Will someone ask Mayor Bloomberg if he is OK with a 9-11 Victory Celebration mosque being built on Ground Zero?
Cordoba, Spain is a place where Muslims massacred Christians and almost conquered the West. How ecumenical is it Mayor to give the Victory mosque that same name?
Bloomberg’s a Traitor,& what do we do with Traitors ???How bout nailing the Traitor Bastard in a Hogshead & tossing him in the East River with the rest of the garbage?
Would Mayor Bloomberg support the construction of a White Supremacist Church in Harlem?
By the way Mr. Simon, if anything demonstrates the complete failure of the Obama approach to the middle east it is this….
http://www.brookings.edu/reports/2010/0805_arab_opinion_poll_telhami.aspx
Three must read articles-
http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2010/08/tax-dollars-to-build-mosques.html
http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2010/08/obamas-teachable-shariah-moment.html
This last because it clearly represents Obamas duplicity – his support for a new muslim state that denies human rights to Jews while extolling religious freedom fro muslims.
” In a briefing with the Egyptian media last week Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas told reporters that no Jews will be allowed to live in a future Palestinian state. He also said that while he would agree to allow NATO forces to deploy in the future Palestinian state, he would not permit any Jewish soldiers to serve in the NATO units stationed on the territory of such a state. As he put it, “I will not agree that there will be Jews among NATO forces and I will not allow even one Israeli to live amongst us on the Palestinian soil.”
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=184987
obummer *is* a muslim. He’s acting like a muslims, he’s talking like a muslim, he’s preaching religious tolerance like a muslim (re: get rid of all religions but islam. the greek orthodx church destroyed on 9/11 has yet to be rebuilt.). He’s a muslim. He hates jews and christians, and wants a muslim world. he helped his cousin forcefully enact sharia law in kenya – a *christian* country. he wants sharia law in the US. If people would just get that one thing through their head – he’s a MUSLIM – maybe they wouldn’t be so surprised by what he does to the US.
$50K INTEREST-FREE loans to “troubled homeowners”? Doesn’t sharia finance prohibit charging interest on loans? Seems I’ve read that a few places.
hmmm…
Bloomberg won’t even support the rebuilding of the Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church which was destroyed on 9/11. Christians are out of luck but the Muslims get whatever they want – thanks to Saudi money and Bloomerg’s knee-jerk political correctness.
http://www.stnicholasnyc.com/
Old Soldier, You are right. That church should have been rebuilt long ago.
I sent the Greek Orthodox Church a contribution, specifically for rebuilding Saint Nicholas Church right after 9/11. I would ask that Mayor Bloomberg give my humble offering a bit more-than-equal consideration with the monster donations being poured into the aggressive Islamic Center – since Saint Nicholas was already there when those Islamic fanatics flew their hijacked planes into the WTC.
Otherwise, Bloomberg is simply facilitating another Temple Mount conversion to a new hi-rise Dome of the Rock.
Would Barack Obama support a KKK meeting hall being constructed directly across the street from the 16th Street Baptist Church in Montgomery, Alabama? …Probably not.
Or on the grassy knoll in Dallas? I don’t think so.
Here’s another quote from the “moderate” imam:
“What Muslims want is to ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad.”
And if there were a conflict ? Do you think this imam would ignore the quran ? Or, demand changes to the secular law ?
Wasn’t Michael Bloomberg the same mayor of New York who when faced with legal installed term limits against a sitting mayor running for a third term, had his friends on the New York City Council fix it for him to run again?
Obviously, certain laws don’t apply to his Honor and us “small people” should shut up and follow his opinion and those of our betters about if the Mosque should be built.
Vote out every incumbant in November and as for this clown, if he is stupid enough to run in 2012 as an independent he should be laughed from the field.
Here’s another quote from the “moderate” imam:
“What Muslims want is to ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/imam-feisal-abdul-rauf/what-shariah-law-is-all-a_b_190825.html
And if there were a conflict ? Do you think this imam would ignore the quran ? Or, demand changes to the secular law ?
Recall Mike Bloomberg’s assurance that the Times Square bomber was a conservative opposed to Obamacare. Our genius mayor calculated that someone angry about healthcare would logically set off a bomb to send as many people as possible to the hospital.
The strawman argument of religious freedom Bloomberg resorts to is equally absurd. The left that despises those who cling to the bible and guns is suddenly obsessed with religious freedom. How come so contemptuous of Christianity and so reverent of Islam?
Mike Bloomberg and George Soros have much in common.
Yes…they are both servants of their father the Devil.
Neither Bloomberg nor this administration, or sadly, the whole of the current Democratic party are “liberal”. They certainly are not “progressive”. In fact, many times they support and defend the most regressive of notions, ideas, ideals, morals and attitudes. They are positively reactionary and primeval.
In fact, they give every appearance of being hopelessly out of touch and incapable of change. Hopeless and changeless.
They have adopted and signed onto a contract against America.
Let me explain why I come to this conclusion:
1)Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Van Jones, Robert Malley, Rashid Khalidi, Louis Farrakhan, Michael Pfleger, Oliver Stone, Michael Moore, George Soros, Journolist members, Keith Olbermann, Eric Holder, …what do they have in common?
They ALL share a worldview of Americans as a bigoted, despicable, wretched, racist, stupid, mean, wicked people who need a lecture at best and who need: “to be thrown through a plate glass window”; “have garlic noses”; “should be damned by God”, “no, not God Bless America, God DAMN America”; “who deserved 9/11, those are chickens coming home to roost”; “whose daddy’s 401k’s and granddaddy’s 401k’s gave them unfair advantages”; “whose support of Israel is evidence of support of a gutter religion”; “who allow Jews to have too much influence through the Israel lobby and AIPAC”; “who don’t give Stalin and Hitler a fair shake”; “who are racist and stupid and are cowards when it comes to race”; “who caused 9/11 themselves in order to start a war”; “who support capitalism, which needs to be dismantled and overthrown”; “which has 25 million people who are of an age that will never change, so they need to be eliminated”.
Does the Obama family and the Obama administration distance themselves from, or adhere to the above sentiments?
One must ask such a question, then look at the deeds…not the words, of a Taqqiya term of office.
There is nothing “liberal” or “progressive” about hating and tearing down America, destroying our relationship with our allies or overturning our system of government. It is leftist extremism and it is out of touch with the vast, vast, vast majority of our wishes.
1)How have our closest allies been treated since this administration has been inserted into office? Britain, Israel, Poland, the Baltic states? We have been outwardly rude and offensive. Deep bows and apologies to dictators and despots of every type. Reset buttons for sworn enemies. But open hostility toward our traditional friends. Is that in keeping with the sense, sensibilities and sentiments of us as a nation? We have slapped Israel’s face so hard in the face, that we have left the stripes of our flag permanently etched on each cheek. To coin a phrase, I have never been so ashamed of my country in the whole of my adult life.
2)In Cambridge, we called an innocent police officer “stupid”, for an incident that certainly did not call for Presidential intervention. It did not even merit supervisory intervention. But the instinct was against the police, in general, and a whole class of citizens in particular, in favor of another class of citizens. It was divisive. And instructive. This administration instinctively believed the worst about the majority of us…based solely on the color of our skin. It also harbored a deep seated resentment, bitterness and enmity of our law enforcement (as well as our military structure as we will see later) establishment.
This kneejerk attitude is wholly and completely out of touch with American values. I now believe that is is Hopeless and Beyond Change.
And kneejerk and reactionary behavior, based solely upon skin color is not “liberal” and it is not “progressive”. It’s reactionary and divisive.
3)In Philadelphia, two thugs, armed with weapons and filled with hatred and animosity appeared in quasi-military garb at a polling place and began uttering vile racial epithets and threats in a display of racial hatred and intimidation. This administration’s justice department has turned their back, averted their gaze and covered up these actions, because “intervention” only goes in the direction witnessed in Cambridge. We “cowards” wanted to talk about this in an open and frank manner. The brave souls at the Justice Department are stifling the “conversation”, in fact forbidding those in the know (Coates) from discussing it. Even under oath.
This is divisive and unhealthy. Selective prosecution, based solely on the color of one’s skin is not “liberal”. It is not “progressive”. Instituting standing orderss that dictate that only one class of people will be prosecuted for certain crimes and misdemeanors is completely out of touch with American values and sentiments. It is not “reverse” discrimination. It is outright discrimination, fostered, implemented and supported by the state.
This administration adopts the kneejerk position that one segment of this society is in need of protection of its rights, and another deserves to be ignored, slandered and put down.
The conspiracy of silence orchestrated to win office, has apparently conspired to keep certain issues out of the public domain, in order to further advance and promote these attitudes. I guess that’s better than being struck by that billy club or being thrown through a plate glass window…or having some “cracker babies” murdered.
4)In Arizona, our federal government not only refused to lift a finger to help secure our borders, it intentionally interfered and intervened against our own law abiding citizens, and on behalf of law breaking non-citizens.
This administration instinctively raced into the fray, openly suggesting that the “ only ” reason that one would want secure borders, is due to a racist, xenophobia that grips one class of American.
This is completely out of touch with the sense and sensibilities of those who think fair is fair, right is right, wrong is wrong. The very Americans who went to the polling booths to elect this administration, somehow base all there other decisions on the ethnic or racial makeup of the involved parties in every other issue.
This is, of course, unsupportable and inane. The porous borders and the Democratic Party’s depraved political self-interest in allowing such, creates criminal issues for individual states and the nation as a whole, economic issues, health care issues, homeland security issues. The Democratic Party and this administration have held a gun to the heads of state officials and to the electorate and said “If you don’t give us 30 million potential voters for our party, we will not only allow your borders to be stormed, we will aid and abet those who choose to do so. We will attack you, if you choose to protect yourselves. And, we will call you a bigot for trying”.
This divisive and venal. It is not “liberal” or “progressive”. And it is wholly out of touch with American values, sentiment and sensibilities.
5)In New York, at the site of one of the most vicious acts of war against us on our soil, at the very ground where the ashes of our innocents cover the acres of rubble and ruin, a very provocative, “in your face” act by an open supporter of hostility wants to build a monument, this administration weighed in, in another kneejerk response.
And, once again…in now a predictable pattern and course of conduct, against the sense and sensibilities of the American people and in favor of those who intend to bully, intimidate, and overrun them…this administration and the Democratic Party, as well as their Journolist operatives…attacked the American public as bigoted, shallow, and craven.
This act of war was perpetrated in the shouted name of Allah. The imam involved supports hostilities and has never shown any bridge building instincts. He has all the same instincts that raises the hand to slap the face of Israel. He is a firm and devout believer in instituting sharia law, by force, if necessary, into the lands of the infidels.
And, to build monuments on the sites of great victories.
At the site of an act of war against us, promoting such a building is an act of surrender and submission. It is more provocative than allowing the Nazi Party to march through Skokie, rubbing the noses of the Holocaust victims under the dirty jackboots of their hatred and intolerance.
It is an act in furtherance of that act of war. To the “victors” go the spoils.
This administration and the Democratic Party as a whole, see the rejection and revulsion from their prism of their kneejerk hatred and disdain of the American people. They see the recoiling as bigoted and hateful. They do not respect the American people. They are out of touch with the American people.
Hopelessly and Beyond Change.
CF, An absolutely brilliant post. I read it several times. I would like your permission to email an excerpt to my friends and family along with a link to PJM . Please let me know if thats ok? Thanks, MBY
MBY
Of course, anything I write here at Roger’s site, is yours without asking. But, I appreciate the courtesy and respectful manner of your request. And the kind words.
They made my day.
Thank you.
I agree, excellent posting. I can put it in another way, a bit strange perhaps, but hitting the same target.
Question: Is Barack Obama a Christian? Well, if you dismiss Jeremiah Wright as someone who screamed Black Liberation Theology instead of Christianity, and then notice the odd detail that Obama has not yet picked a church to attend in Washington, the answer would seem to be “no.” No big deal, perhaps, except for the follow-up question: then what is his religion. To that, my answer is NOT “Muslim” but…Marxist. David Horowitz may be correct in calling him a political nihilist, not a Marxist.
Then look at all his appointees! He actually appointed a Communist (Van Jones) and a woman who admired Mao Tse Tung as one of her greatest heroes. And then you begin to wonder just exactly who is in power in Washington and what their agenda is.
If my hunch is right, capitalism is their ENEMY. Reality check: has Barack Obama ever said anything nice about free enterprise? Also, even more disturbing, America is their enemy. Reality check: has Barack Obama ever said anything good about this country. Can you even imagine him putting his hand on his heart and saying “God Bless America,” except as a huge display of hypocrisy in the hope of getting re-elected.
Sweet dreams, all.
You don’t have to go to church to be a Christian. However, I agree that Obama is most likely not a Christian. With the Loser in Chief it’s hard to tell sometimes when he means it, when he is wrong by mistake and when he is deliberately lying. It seems he identifies as a secular Muslim in solidarity with his Kenyan family and Indonesian stepfather. Latin American Liberation Theology is centered on a left interpretation of the Gospel. Black Liberation Theology merely pretends to revere the Gospel, it’s centered on racial supremacy just as much as the KKK. Christ is used as a cover to make them fit within the black community. Obama has been faking his whole life, it’s second nature and how he got to the White House.
Obama was partially raised in a Muslim country, but I’m going with the fact that he was a red-diaper baby as much more significant. I could be wrong. But actually has spoken about “spreading the wealth around” and his buddies were/are anarchist Marxists. Can you think of any comment of his which sounded even vaguely Christian, pro-America, or pro-freedom?
By the way, I’m not religious myself, just trying to figure out what’s going on. And if there’s one thing I think I know for sure, it’s that Marxism replaced Christianity as the religion of millions and millions of people.
Obama’s religion is HUMANISM. He despises the things of the One True and Living God. He espouses all of the tenets of the Humanist Manifesto: Religions of salvation are illusory, those who believe in them are irrational, one world government, socialistic lifestyle, free sexual expression (regardless of how perverse), and rest of the demon vomit contained in that used piece of toilet paper.
is obama a christian? just listen to what he says about *his* personal beliefs about Jesus Christ. He’s muslim.
“It is an act in furtherance of that act of war.”
Well said
Excellent. As you said, the hard Left of today, which controls the leadership and philosophy of the Democratic Party, is not liberal. And it is not small-”p” progressive in any meaningful sense. It seeks to take us back to a time of centralized power, collusion of government and selected industrial and financial interests, reduce or eliminate many individual freedoms, especially free speech and diversity of thought, reverse the development of medical and other technologies in the interest of “fairness,” “The Planet” or other excuses, and in general undo the noble and hard-won accomplishments of American civilization.
What they want is a country built on old, tried-and-untrue ideas that have always led to less prosperity and health, and more repression, corruption and tyranny. They don’t see it that way themselves, of course,but that will be the result of their policies. Regression to less evolved states of civilization. That is why I urge everyone to refer to them as “regressives.” Not progressives, not Progressives, or not even “progressives” with ironic scare quotes. Call thenm what they are: regressives.
cfbleachers – Absolutely Brilliant post – thank you. Nice supplement Victor. Regressive anti-American anti-Freedom anti-Capitalist folks acting only in their best interests have taken over the democrat party and the well intentioned good people who support that party must recognize that fact and vote accordingly. There’s nothing liberal or progressive about a bunch of thugs who lie, cheat, and steal from hard working Americans who are struggling to provide for their families.
I agree with Menachem, great post, I also would like to forward it to some of my dummy friends.
Thanks in advance,
Larry
Outstanding post! We will prevail!
Bravo CF. You said it much better [and all in one comment] than I have ever seen before on the web.
Save it and re-post it often – everywhere.
Papa Ray
In my opinion, this Bloomberg man should have been impeached and tossed out of office over the trans-fat issue. (Who is a Mayor to tell his citizens what to eat???)
I’m not a smoker, but I did notice cigarettes hitting $15 a pack in New York. Well, that’s OK; New Yorkers are carrying an extremely light tax burden as it is.
The hopey-change crowd projects its fantasy Islam, an Islam of tolerance and brotherly/sisterly love and understanding on this latest abomination, just as they projected their fantasy dream persona upon the candidate Obama. They have, essentially a suicidal grasp of reality. The pity is that Darwinian forces take such a long time to make themselves felt.
Well, David Horowitz explained it all very clearly. Leftists are not interested in comparing America to the other countries in the world; that’s the wrong issue, for them. They are busy comparing America to their fantasy Heaven on Earth, where the lion will lie down with the lamb, kids will study hard for free A’s, and everyone will pitch in and work hard to be productive because, gosh, they just love their fellow man.
I think that’s the same fantasy world where all religions are equal and all cultures are equal. Funny, they never seem to claim that all PHILOSOPHIES are equal, or that all POLITICAL IDEAS are equal. I think that’s the “wrong question,” again.
And as they strive for this, government grows and grows and gives itself a pass from having to live with the normal competitive pressures of life that, along with dependable enforcement of basic laws and economic freedom, have made us so productive and prosperous. So taxes rise, regulations (another form of tax) run wild, waste and fraud ensues and soon there will be too little in the big pot for us all to share – with the very rich and the government ruling class taking most of that.
Progressives, collectivists, socialists, communists, statists – call them whatever you want because they differ only by degree – are the absolute enemy of the working and professional middle class. This has been demonstrated over and over again around the world. The correction for such insanity takes multiple generations and is very painful. Unless you are unassailably wealthy or firmly within the pantheon of the elite Progressives, you had better wake up. Small government, equal opportunity for all, free markets, liberty!
we need people who can see
The Bush and Obama administration have been seeding the State Department, the Pentagon, and other federal agencies with muslims in effort to foster understanding and this is the bitter fruit of that policy. Imagine if during WW2 we had a policy of packing the government full of American nazis from the American Bund? This is stupidity on a grand scale fostered by political correctness. It needs to stop.
Political correctness is a symptom and a weapon, it is not the cause of the Left’s insanity and its relentless drive to undo Christian America. That’s right, Obama, Christian America.
The Left and Islam are two sides of the same coin: Haters of the God of the Bible. All of their actions must be seen in light of their supreme goal, elimination everywhere of the belief in a transcendent moral order. But like Hitler and Stalin, they will eventually be at each others throats if they manage eventually to wipe Christians out. Which will never happen, btw, because our God is the One True God and he will use the execrable Left and the Sharia Moslems as his footstool.
But to the Nazi analogy, Dan. The Left and that dopey Bush, still think Islam is a religion and can be placated by incorporating it into American life; they fail to see that Islam is FIRST a political reality, the agenda of which is not dissimilar to the Nazis. The adherents of Islam intend to take over the West; so yes, Bush and muslim/marxist Obama are guilty of bringing the equivalent of Nazis into our government — to eat away at us from the inside. These men, B & O, have on the one hand no discernment or wisdom and on the other no qualm about destroying Christian America.
“Iraq suicide bomber targets Iraqi recruits amid US troop withdrawal”
MUSLIMS KILL MUSLIMS . . . Get it?
So we must ask ourselves “Why is this happening” . . . The US is obviously pulling our troops out of Iraq.
If the US of A allows a substantial growth in the number of Islamic sects are we going to see this same occurring because of the “rights” granted by the Constitution?
Will we see this kind of action by every Islamic sect that we allow to form in this country?
I think the answer to the these questions is unequivocally YES!
Do our politicians realize that this will happen?
Unequivocally HELL NO!!!
Roger – Right-on. Your columns are wonderful. Several thoughts — One: A point I have made here many times is that Islam is not a religion, it is a political movement masquerading as a religion, it is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. The mosque at ground zero is nothing more than a political statement that Islam is triumphant. In that vein, ask yourself the question of whether it would be appropriate to erect a statue in Pearl Harbor of the Emperor Hirohito? The answer is obvious, and the same answer should apply to the mosque.
Another thought — do not believe anything these Moslems say about the mosque. The Koran allows them to lie to achieve Islamic aims. They wil say one thing now, and should the mosque be built, they will say quite another thing — which is that they triumphed over Rome (Western Civilization).
Final thought — I must agree with the opening comments of cfbleachers @ #9 — the term liberal has been hijacked by the left. They are anything but liberal except with other people’s money, which they spend liberally (and eventually you run of other people’s money to spend).
Islam is at total war with the West, but far too many Western Liberals like Bloomberg and Obama, for unclear reasons, some political, some economic, and some religious, refuse to believe this and insist on trying to accomodate the Islamic enemy.
The Islamists just love this, since it means they can openly wage their war and have nothing to fear.
Tallgrass,
In post # 6, I provided a link to the latest opinion poll take in the Arab world.
In the last year, despite Obamas Cairo speech, and his obvious policy shift, Obama has lost major support in the Arab world and IRAN has gained support.
Islamic fanaticism is growing due in large part to BHO.
Great work, Roger and walid. Thank you.
Where is this guy?
DUH!, He’s laughing all the way to the bank with our money, on a celebration/adoration tour of the middle east.
He’s campaigning…getting lots of face time and speaking engagements in the “arab street”……beating his own drum, blowing his own horn, setting himself up among the faithful as the most famous, most victorious soldier of mohammed, the great conqueror of the infidel city….
He, who dares to live fearlessly among the enemy, and not hide his faith or intentions….
He, who planted the flag atop the ruins, long before the infidels could rebuild…
He, who used the infidels own money and their own weakness and PC fear to mock, to taunt, to dare us to try and stop him.
He, who unashamedly calls the place “cordoba” in remembrence of muslim vistory upon the ruins of sacred christian sites….
He is setting himself up to be the Greatest Living Leader of Islam. Wined and dined and invited into the respectability of the American Left.
Acknowleged, revered and appologised to by the greatest leaders of the enemy infidels, who tremble at the very thought of insulting him.
He is preparing his nest, his throne, his legacy, which is to become a larger and more famous hero of Islam than even an Arafat could have ever dreamed.
That is where he is, and what he’s up to.
I respect Shoebat, but the quotes here are pretty weak. Far more significant are the practical ties between Rauf, the Brotherhood by way of his father, Perdana, IHH, etc.
BTW, ‘separation of church and state’ is neither a priority for most Christian conservatives nor for many Orthodox Jews. It is ‘holy’ precisely to liberals, not to conservatives. Clearly, Muslims don’t ‘accept’ this separation, but it is not for the same reasons that the other groups don’t. If this were the central problem with Muslims in America, all would be relatively well.
What is not is that many of the elites are simply in bed with Jihadists. In concrete terms, there are many unanswered questions about relationships between American foreign policy makers and such people and groups for years. This is what can not be explored, whether in the context of 911 or other events. Explore it even a bit, and be called out as a conspiracy theorist. Everybody has limits, including the vast majority of posters here.
Larry, I have to disagree with your comment – ” BTW, ’separation of church and state’ is neither a priority for most Christian conservatives nor for many Orthodox Jews. ” – at least as far as Jews are concerned.
The only place that Jewish Law , theologically speaking, would replace secular law, is in the Sate of Israel. In every other country Jews are required by Jewish Law to respect the laws of the larger society.
Separation of church and state is a priority for this Jew, as long as I wish to remain an American citizen – and I do.
Right. And this is the Jewish dilemma in the US, the need to ‘thread the needle’ between Leftists who are openly anti-Semitic and Evangelicals who wish to make Christianity a public religion. This needle-threading position is in contradiction to a political position which essentially grows out of a Christian-Evangelic patriotism, or whose most ardent practitioners are Evangelical Christians. Among their ranks are many who profess ‘love’ for Jews but expect conversion, and some of them (like Pat Robertson) in fact espouse all the same ‘bankster’ conspiracy theories that leftists do.
Larry: Please take a look at this, http://escapetyranny.com/the-christian-roots-of-american-liberty/
While I agree with you about what I would term the “fundamentalist” streak present in SOME evangelicals and their oratory that suggests something reactionary in their aims, it is nevertheless true that the notion of separation of church and state — the call to arms, if you will, of the left — has been bastardized by liberals and adopted wholesale as gospel by others (thank you ACLU); the current interpretation of it is no where to be found in our Founding documents, but comes rather from a letter written by Jefferson in an effort to quell conflict between two competing Christian denominations.
Traditionalists, of whom Mr. Simon may be one, are rightly to be appalled when an aggressive political philosophy masquerading as a religion, Islam, uses our First Amendment as a weapon against us to achieve its illiberal goal of worldwide domination.
Menachem, you read into my comment. I was not suggesting that Jews wish to ‘force’ Halacha either on 1) themselves or 2) the non-Jewish population. I am saying instead that many Christians, particularly Evangelicals, do not believe in separation of church and states, and that some, or many, Orthodox and even Conservative Jews agree with them. They understand that separation of church and state has led to an ACLU-type PC. Mixed with personal and business fondness for powerful Muslims, this in turn has led to the creation of a ‘live’ Islamic threat to the US.
I absolutely agree that Jewish law should only be applied in Israel. I think your response was with one eye to what the Gentiles will say. And I think the answer to that is Aliyah.
Larry, I did not think that you were suggesting the imposition of Halachic Law on non-Jews. You know that the very concept is antithetical to Judaism.
However your position that , ” many Christians, particularly Evangelicals, do not believe in separation of church and states, and that some, or many, Orthodox and even Conservative Jews agree with them. ” is, in my opinion, a huge overstatement. I see no attempt to impose religious belief. What I do see is a backlash against the complete divorcement between the country and The Almighty.
What I mean is that when the Pledge of Allegiance has the phrase ” under G-d ” removed ( by the way I consider The Pledge a hallmark of American freedom that supported my right to live as as a Jew in America ) and a Courthouse ifs forced to remove a statute depicting The Ten Commandments, than all people of faith feel their rights are being accosted. After all America was not founded by godless individuals but people of great faith. While we may be of different faiths I have never heard or encountered evangelicals that deny my right to worship as I choose.
” I think your response was with one eye to what the Gentiles will say. ” Larry, I assure you that that is not the case. While. like anyone else, I like to be thought well of I do not alter my positions unless I am intellectually convinced my position is wrong. The source is rarely relevant except incases where a persons expertise comes into play.
Aliyah? As a guy with one foot here and one foot there I couldn’t agree more.
Christ, Himself, said, “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.” Which Christian’s take to mean that we should follow the laws of the land.
But, in my view, this has very little to do with freedom of religion.
The very same people who are touting tolerance for this instance of provocation, I’m sorry, outreach, would be horrified at the thought of the 7th Calvary building a memorial chapel at Wounded Knee. Could you see them buying the line, “I don’t see what the problem is here, we are building beyond the fence from where the last body was found? We want this to be a place where Native Americans and the 7th Calvary can dialogue and build bridges and people who think that the Lakota should be outraged at having a chapel for the people who massacred them here are intolerant bigots.”
Separation of Church and State is a straw man.
#1: Search for it though you may in the US Constitution, you will not find it. It was briefly mentioned by Founder Ben Franklin in a letter to the Danbury Baptists of Connecticut.
#2: Look for it in the Constitution of the old Soviet Union, you will find it as Article 10.
#3: Look for it in the Humanist Manifesto 2 and you will find it as Tenet #9 under the heading ‘Democratic Society’.
The separation of church and state is best understood in terms of the origins of the distinction – a reaction to the Established state church of England. It does not follow that given the refusal of the founders of the USA (or, for that matter, the early developers of the Anglo-Canadian state where an intial move to establish the Anglican church was rebuffed) to establish a high church that they thought it would be inappropriate for governments, especially the individual states, to write laws that were influenced by the (predominantly Judeo-Christian) cultural values of the people. Since no one, as far as I am aware, is talking about establishing a national church in America, the “debate” over separation of church and state that exists strikes me as largely meaningless scaremongering: it can only be taken seriously by those who assume there could be a state with no ascendant or declining cultural preferences, no religion (informally secular, or formally ritualistic), a state that can be all things to all people. How one seriously imagines such a thing, I do not know. The secular is not the absence of religion in the broadest sense: it is the absence of ritual or formalized religion. The secular, in each instance, still carries many signs of that from which it has come and has secularized. Western secular liberal culture is Judeo-Christian in many respects. To take another example, the AGW cult is an informal secular state religion in North America. That’s life – religion is unavoidably necessary, wherever you are.
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsamerica/
Thanks for the link. It’s important to remember that history though I think the author overplays the differences between American and English national identity. Every serious Western nationalism has had to delve into the Hebrew Bible and base itself on the model of Israel because the New Testament provides no model of a specifically national church or covenant.
Truepeers, You are welcome. People often forget the deep roots of Biblical history that served as a foundation stone in building America. Many today think that the USA should stand for freedom from religion as opposed to freedom of religion. People are free to be atheistic but they should not impose atheism on people of faith.
Roger writes, “If religious dialogue results in nothing, as Rauf says — an arguable premise, I suppose — then why build a mosque by Ground Zero to promote such dialogue? Or does Imam Rauf have something else in mind? Frankly, I don’t know. But neither, I can assure you, does Michael Bloomberg. As for Barack Obama, well … I leave that one to the readers.”
At Power Line, Scott has posted a very satisfying evisceration of Obama’s ideas about the Ground Zero Mosque: see “Ten Theses on Obama’s iftar speech”.
Some Muslims attending Friday’s Iftar dinner interpreted Obama’s remarks as unqualified endorsement of the GZM. (they were interviewed)
They were surprised at Obama’s dissembling and waffling one short day later, when he was 1000 miles away in front of a different audience.
I am also most ashamed of my country in my adult life.
A Masque Next To Ground Zero by Hal Lindsey
The plan is to build a 13-story Muslim mosque and cultural center literally only a few hundred feet from Ground Zero in lower Manhattan. The leader of the project, Imam Abdul Rauf, says that the mosque is intended as a gesture to build “bridges between faiths.” Another proponent claims that the mosque, which will occupy the site of a 152-year old building that suffered damage in the 9/11 attack, is really a “celebration of America’s religious tolerance.” Why would a religion founded on fealty to one law, one leader, and one god — a religion whose modern defining characteristic is its intolerance of all other faiths and traditions — actually “celebrate” America’s religious diversity. That’s the very thing Islam HATES about us. How could a religion that reduces women and girls to mere chattel and considers all non-Muslims to be second-class citizens conceivably “celebrate” a non-Muslim society that believes all humans are created equal in God’s sight? It’s laughable. Yet our leaders and the media-types have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker. Are they that stupid or have they been intimidated into acquiescence? New York City already has more than 100 mosques. We’ve already proven that we really are an open, tolerant society. To say with a straight face that this is Islam’s celebration of America’s religious tolerance would be like the Southern Baptists building a church in Amsterdam’s infamous Red Light District to “celebrate” Holland’s sexual promiscuity. It doesn’t make sense because it doesn’t make sense.
I’ll tell you why the Muslims insist on putting a 13-story mega-mosque (which, by the way, will eerily resemble a World Trade Center tower) within earshot of Ground Zero. It will be nothing less than a traditional act of Islamic triumphalism. It’s a symbol of conquest. Although the Muslims have changed the name of the proposed structure to “Park 51 Mosque,” the campaign to build it is still called “The Cordoba Initiative.” For all of you I’m going to share with you a short history lesson about the symbolism of “Cordoba” in the Islamic mind. And trust me, the Muslims are big on symbolism.
The world should know that the ‘Cordoba Initiative,’ the New York City based organization desiring to construct a massive Islamic house of prayer at ‘Ground Zero,’ has posted on its website, a peculiar and disingenuous statement indicating the desire to bring back the atmosphere of, “interfaith tolerance and respect that we have longed for since Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together in harmony and prosperity eight hundred years ago.”
I point this out because contemporary scholarship has clearly demonstrated that there was no ‘harmony’ or ‘prosperity’ for non-Muslims in Islamic Spain. The Cordoba Initiative is attempting to revisit some sort of mythical “tolerance and respect” which never existed.
What is irrefutable is that living under Islam, the non-Muslim population was always mandated to submit to Islam, accept discriminatory laws, and make payment of a mandatory Quranic tax imposed upon every non-Muslim. For a period of about 800 years, most of Spain was ruled by Muslims and this area was known as ‘Al-Andalus.’ Islamic rule ended in 1492, when the city of Granada, the last Muslim kingdom in Western Europe, capitulated to the Spanish Catholics.
The Cordoba Initiative is an organization whose very name makes reference to what was, 1,000 years ago, one of the world’s most advanced cities, Cordoba, Al-Andalus (Spain). This was a city that was politically and religiously dominated by Islam, and a city that was conquered by jihad (holy war). Today, there are Islamic groups such as Al-Qaeda that have a dream of seeing a pan-Islamic world that would extend from old Al-Andalus (Spain). This is based upon Islam’s principle of dar-al-Islam, which means a world where Islamic sovereignty prevails over the citizenry. Dar-al-Islam is attained through jihad and the media is replete with Al- Qaeda’s calls for jihad and their claims to Al-Andalus and its major cities such as Cordoba.
Clearly, Islamic Cordoba was once a city where a number of intellectual Muslims such as Averroes (Ibn-Rushd), influenced European thought with Arab philosophy related to the scientific teachings of Aristotle. In mathematics, the Arabs built upon the foundations of Greek mathematicians. At one point there were dozens of free schools in Cordoba for the education of poor Arabs and at some point there existed some 600 mosques. However, even with all of this scholastic and societal grandeur, the route to get to such a point of magnificence was through violent warfare.
Not only were successive battles for Spanish cities bloody, but desiring more than Spain–the Arabs declared a jihad against France, then crossed the Pyrenees, and in successive swarms spread over the southern regions of the French countryside, slaughtering the Christians by thousands, and burning their churches to the ground before being halted.
We must remember that a practice associated with conquering Islamic armies was the construction of a mosque at the location where their triumphant battle was won. Thus, this modern Islamic organization is seeking to build a mosque at the site of 9/11 attack—an attack which was carried out by 19 Muslim hijackers who considered their mission holy war.
Insomuch, it is this man’s opinion that a Muslim house of prayer that would be cemented in the ashes of catastrophe at the foot of New York’s lost Twin Towers would be a symbolic victory flag for Muslims who seek the destruction of America. Further, it is my honest opinion that no matter how the construction of a mosque at ‘Ground Zero’ may be perceived by well-meaning Americans, the construction of a mosque on the spot where Al-Qaeda brought jihad to the United States will unquestionably represent victory to the worldwide forces of Radical Islam.
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The summing-up statement of opinion in the last paragraph is correct.
It would be a mistake to think Obama, Bloomberg, etc., are unaware of the nefarious motives behind this Cordoba initiative. They and other prominent advocates for the Ground Zero Mosque are not stupid; they know full well of these motives.
There are dupes, too, millions of dupes, but Obama, Bloomberg, etc., are not among them.
why isn’t anyone asking follow the money;bill clinton became a multi-millionaire selling america down the drain , under the guise,of understanding america,speaking engagements;why does the most noble oountry on the planet,need to explain itself,to a people whose,god demands,that you rape,torture,terrorize,and pillage,and when you do this in his name;you can have a rape fest orgy,with 72 virgin children”pedophilia”in the next life;,al gore; rapes,devours,and collapses america’s economy,and independence,to prop up islamic,and communist,totalitarian,statist nations.to force america to be dependent on them in order to survive;under the guise of”global warming”jimmy carter,nancy pelosi,john kerry,bagdad jim mc dermott;oh hell; the entire democrat party elite,and progressive republicans and independents,have put their own interest,and their own perverse ideaologies,over america,and its citizenry,and sacrificial lambs;we are being scammed,hustled,undermined,and sold on the auction block to our enemies by the greatest masters of deception of our time;remove them from power,because they intend to remove us from life,liberty,independence,and happiness;whenever you hear those who claim they are looking out for us;that these people are good people,who are just misguided,or inexperienced;don’t trust them either, they are either politically correct cowards,or without vision to forsee whats ahead of us;if we don’t change course now;the bible described them as there is no light in them;refusing to acknowledge,or recognize evil ,evil amongst our own; in our midst, in our own house among our own people;like abused wife syndrome;that refuses to recognize,acknowledge,or believe the husband that abuses her doesn’t love her; that he is just mis understood,inexperienced,and misguided when it comes to love,and relationships;wake-up americans;america is under attack;and the enemy is living,in our house raping,and pillaging,our lives,our liberties,our property,our opportunities,and redistributing it all to our enemies; either we stop them now,or they will finish devouring us.jimmy joe;”the liarfryer”;
We have no Walmarts in NYC. None in Boston. We have 30 too many mosques in the city. (in america many communities have National Guard Armories. This is the middle east version)
If the People were respected and we have a Walmart blockade in the largest city that stands for capitalism and it doesn’t have the largest merchant?
Something isn’t halal/kosher here.
why isn’t anyone asking follow the money;bill clinton became a multi-millionaire selling america down the drain , under the guise,of understanding america,speaking engagements;why does the most noble country on the planet,need to explain itself,to a people whose,god demands,that you rape,torture,terrorize,and pillage,and when you do this in his name;you can have a rape fest orgy,with 72 virgin children”pedophilia”in the next life;,al gore; rapes,devours,and collapses america’s economy,and independence,to prop up islamic,and communist,totalitarian,statist nations.to force america to be dependent on them in order to survive;under the guise of”global warming”jimmy carter,nancy pelosi,john kerry,bagdad jim mc dermott;oh hell; the entire democrat party elite,and progressive republicans and independents,have put their own interest,and their own perverse ideaologies,over america,and its citizenry,and sacrificial lambs;we are being scammed,hustled,undermined,and sold on the auction block to our enemies by the greatest masters of deception of our time;remove them from power,because they intend to remove us from life,liberty,independence,and happiness;whenever you hear those who claim they are looking out for us;that these people are good people,who are just misguided,or inexperienced;don’t trust them either, they are either politically correct cowards,or without vision to forsee whats ahead of us;if we don’t change course now;the bible described them as there is no light in them;refusing to acknowledge,or recognize evil ,evil amongst our own; in our midst, in our own house among our own people;like abused wife syndrome;that refuses to recognize,acknowledge,or believe the husband that abuses her doesn’t love her; that he is just mis understood,inexperienced,and misguided when it comes to love,and relationships;wake-up americans;america is under attack;and the enemy is living,in our house raping,and pillaging,our lives,our liberties,our property,our opportunities,and redistributing it all to our enemies; either we stop them now,or they will finish devouring us.jimmy joe;”the liarfryer”;
Bloomberg like many other politicians would kill and eat his own children to feed his ego. I still have hopes that this travesty will not be built, if it is build I will put bacon or pork rinds around the site as an expression of free speech.
Bravo! Mr. Simon!
Chalk up a new fan here.
Mike Bloomberg is merely our Mayor here in the Big Apple. Our governor–increasingly likeable and very clear for a blind man– has spoken up helpfully. But as Jennifer Rubin notes in Contentions, the silence from our Senior Senator is deafening. Where does Chucky Shvitzer stand on this issue?
Here’s what I’d like to see a politician say:
In this country we respect property and religious rights. Therefore there’s nothing we can or should do to stop others from exercising them. However, folks are also allowed to draw the logical conclusions for folks actions and react.
So, build the mosque as it make a clear and compelling statement about the folks who build it.
It says they have no interest in building understanding.
It says they have no interest in religious tolerance.
It says they have no respect for the devastation to our country that occurred on 9/11.
It says they are arrogant.
It says they favor religious oppression over freedom.
It says most emphatically:
The are the type of folks who like to dance on the graves of others.
So build the damn mosque. It tells us everything we need to know about their brand of Islam.
Sure, (Rauf) has the right to say these things, under our Constitution. But are we imbeciles to give him a royal platform on which to proclaim them?
Yes, beyond imbeciles.
Islamists find the very possibility of the Imbecilic Infidel approving Rauf’s plans a great gift from Allah.
Atta & friends not only destroyed the Twin Towers and slaughtered thousands but, a scant 10 years later, his Victory Mosque will rise up at Ground Zero.
Inshallah, baby. Inshallah.
Now we all know why Bloomberg supports the Victory Mosque…………….Obama supports Bloomberg!
http://www.skdknick.com/
The Cordoba House Mosque or now better known as the “Victory Mosque” is NOT the only victory site being built by Saudi Arabia. Shankesville, Pa. crash site is also being built with the Red Crescent in mind:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/07/911-hero-family-member-ground-zero-mosque-is-the-second-mosque-being-built-on-a-911-site-.html
Could it get any more obvious?
Of course Hamas ‘supports’ this travesty right along with Barry (the Totus who cares so much about the ‘antiquated’ Constitution except for when it comes to that barely ‘read’ and forcibly passed 0bamacare/‘death panels coming’ and “you had better buy health insurance or the IRS will force you to or jail you” bill).
Golly gee, Barry. Shouldn’t you be telling the cretinous ‘Muslims’ behind these “victory mosques” [i.e., 'terrorist recruitment centers'] that they have acted ‘stupidly’ with their blatant insensitivity and outright slap in all Americans’ faces? No, of course not, because you ‘support’ this and in fact have been assisting with tax dollars to help that scum slink into the desert in order to get funding to build it!
TRAITOR
In my view, the construction of Ground Zero Mosque-cum-Cultural Center is the most befitting tribute to the victims of 9/11. From my perspective, the opposition to the mosque is ALL about bigotry and intolerance. I think the rest of the world sees it that way too. It’s hard to accept that the Americans who oppose the building of the mosque don’t see the intolerance factor.
Really? So, you’re ready to be a Dhimmi and succumb to Sharia when Muslims start demanding that too out of ‘tolerance’?
Good SHAM, man. Wake up!
Typically muslim:
I offend your feelings and if you react you are intolerant.
Very typical.
It’s the same uebermensch “philosophy” of the commies and of the elites of the secret societies. They are better than the average Joe, and if the average Joe contradicts them, the average Joe is “intolerant”.
Keep on speaking , trolls, you make things pretty clear for everybody to see.
And you are a typical ignorant.
No need to disgrace your values and educational background. I am just sharing my opinion. Your intolerance for conflicting viewpoint shows your sick mentality.
You sound strangely intolerant when instead of answering to the logic of my argument you just call me names.
I think that this too is typically muslim/commie/elitist.
So your ‘opinion’ counts more than anyone else’s? And, anyone else expressing their opinion here is clearly ‘intolerant, ignorant, bigoted and a raaaaaaaacist’?
Well, glad we have that cleared up, “OH TOLERANT” one.
Women, Gays, Jews, Christians, Athiests (and basically ALL religions that are non-Islamic), did you hear that? Muslims are tolerant! So, be sure to crowd into the new Mosque on opening! HOORAY!!!!!!!!
So, you call “intolerant” a person who tries to avoid being offended.
Let’s see.
Let’s say I just won 250 billions at the Galaxy Lottery.
I buy ALL the buildings around the mosque and in each building I set up a dancing club with pole dancing and striptease.
All the neighborhood. All of it.
I am sure you would support my right to do this, since – as you surely know – pole dancing and striptease are protected by the First Amendment.
Would you support me ?
Not only i’ll support you but i’ll defend your right to do so. I don’t mind pole dancing and striptease as long as it is not imposed on me. See I am enlightened.
As long as it is not ‘imposed’ on you?
Well, there you have it.
This ‘Mosque’ is being ‘IMPOSED’ on the New Yorkers and victims of 9/11 without any sensitivity to their feelings.
YES, IMPOSED is a great word for it! Thanks.
Respect your opinion. But I disagree. I think its the opponents of mosque who are trying to impose their agenda on the rest of enlightened and secular Americans. You see right-wing republicans are just trying to cash this issue in their favor. No wonder many ignorants are blindly falling into the trap. I say hail Obama and the mayor.
Sham, your taqiyya needs brushing up and ‘hailing’ 0bama is seriously creepy.
Excellent !
If so, you would certainly understand that the building of a zillion striptease clubs around a mosque could be considered offensive by the people who manage the mosque, and they would have the right to voice their worries.
BECAUSE, if the First Amendment is valid, ALL opinions must be allowed (as long as they don’t call to violence).
HENCE, I have the right to voice my being offended by the project of the mosque at Ground Zero, and that doesn’t allow you to call me intolerant.
Shamyl,
I am tolerant of all religions. I object to what building this mosque at this location represents.
Intolerance, bigotry, hatred. It is being deliberately constructed in a place designed and intended to show contempt for the US and its values.
It is intentionally provocative and it’s builders are absolutely opposed to religious tolerance or understanding.
The debris field mosque will be a monument to intolerance, and the radical Islamist goal to dominate and subjugate the world. Have a nice day.
Conspiracy theories are consuming your brain. Nothing of that sort would happen. In fact the construction of the mosque is going to win the hearts and minds of Muslims all over. They’ll realize that America stands by its Constitution and respects religious freedom. Try being optimistic and unbiased in your approach some day.
They already have mosques all over NY.
This is a purposeful, rude, intolerant, sickening, sleazy slap in the face to all AMERICANS and it is VERY meaningful as a ‘VICTORY MOSQUE’ celebrating the DESTRUCTION of the twin towers and the deaths of ‘INFIDELS’.
You are the ignorant one.
As I said earlier, the “Victory Mosque” is the most befitting tribute to the victims of 9/11 (which by the way included many Muslims). Now i don’t wanna go into further discussion that 9/11 was an inside job.
Sham is a ‘truther’? I shoulda known. rotfl
Shamyl, you’re being disengenous, you know full well the dictates of radical Islam (like communism) insist on world subjugation.
Building the mosque at the location is deliberately provocative and counter to the stated intention of promoting understanding. How about understanding of the feelings of New Yorkers.
Building the mosque there is like telling a dead baby joke to parents who just lost their 1 year old.
ah shamu good name for person who drops bigger poo than a whale
and such fitting nickname for one who recites WHALE stories
BIG FYI oh, oxymoronically inclined one– 9-11 was an ISLAM JOB
I think we forgot something: they need a field nearby the mosque, with space enough to stone adulterers and homosexuals.
We forgot about it. This shows how racist we are.
Bloomberg should donate some real estate of the City to the lovely preachers of honor killing, female mutilation and flogging.
Maybe a public subscription ?
Maybe the president should contribute first !
He could call it “An aSTONishing Project”.
I am sure we would all contribute…
INFIDELS must DIE.
The same fact that the infidels insist in remaining infidel shows that they are intolerant, racist, and bigots. Hence, they must die.
Luckily, the poor muslims, busy in trying to kill about five billion human beings, have the help of some KAPOS like Bloomberg.
I apologize, Roger for such a long comment. I didn’t mean to swallow the thread. And I apologize in advance for the length of what will follow.
My better half, for some inexplicable reason, watches Matt Lauer in the mornings as we get ready for work. (she also watches 60 Minutes every Sunday, go figure)
Which explains why I know what transpired with Lauer this morning, in an “interview” with Armey and Kibbe, who have written a book together.
Lauer “teed up” the mosque “controversy” by showing an aerial photo of building where it will be placed in contrast to the ground zero site. He then referred to a comment by Newt Gingrich comparing the placement of a mosque to the placement of Nazi signs at the Holocaust Museum.
Lauer then went on to ask the loaded questions to Armey, about Newt’s analogy…and wasn’t this “wrong”, wasn’t it more “intended to enflame, rather than educate on the subject.” Finally, Lauer then moved on to his coup de grace.
“We are not at war with Islam, we MAY be at war with al Qaeda, but we are not at war with all Muslims,…”
Lauer’s point appears to have been, that it is unseemly that we would be “picking on” Muslims for wanting to attend religious ceremonies in a new mosque and that it is not offensive to place it on the doorstep of Ground Zero, since the entire religion cannot be condemned for the acts of barbarism and mass murder by the “coincidental” accident of fate that the murderers happen to share that religion.
Lauer either misses the point or misstates it with full knowledge and intention, in full Journolistic ambrosia.
Let’s read between Lauer’s lines and play a little Lauer’s poker. Had it been al Qaeda that wished to erect this monument to their “victory”, would Lauer and the rest of the sycophantic left take a different position?
What would the “difference” be, that would suggest to Lauer and the left, that would make it “ok” to recoil at Osama bin Laden erecting a monument…as opposed to the Imam who defends Hamas instead?
It seems that in attempting to deal the lance’s final blow, Lauer hoist himself upon his own petard.
You see, the VERY reason that it would be indecent, deliberately provocative, insensitive and morally bankrupt to allow Osama bin Laden to erect a monument on the ashes of our fallen countrymen, so too is it equally reprehensible to allow ANYONE to do so in his stead.
It is the deliberately provocative nature of this act that is offensive, not the mosque itself. If it is offensive to us and we understand the nature of the offense in bin Laden’s name, then we should isolate the discussion to that and that alone. Is it deliberately provocative…as if…it was done in the same manner and with the same intent as bin Laden.
Because, protestations of innocence aside…NO Muslim would seek to enforce this upon Americans, but for…the very reason this site was chosen in the first place.
Lauer has followed the Journolistic Code to a tee. He is following the edict of Immelt and covering for the administration like a good, obedient lackey should.
But he inadvertently made the opposite case. We don’t need to build shrines to al Qaeda’s work upon the ashes of our beloved countrymen, no matter who the front man may be.
Guys, I take leave now as I know the mosque project is inevitable and its opposition is going to die its own death very soon. My Allah Almighty guide you to the truth and show you the right path. Amen.
Saints and angels defend us against this high-rise abomination.
‘Cause Mayor Bloomberg sure won’t, nor will the ultra-indifferent Shamyl.
Guys, I take leave now as I know the mosque project is inevitable and its opposition is going to die its own death very soon. May Allah Almighty guide you to the truth and show you the right path. Amen.
It’s good to have these trolls: they help us to explain to the casual Reader which heck of a problem the world has today with islam.
Demented fanatic, aggressive, offensive, double-speaking…and permanently at war against Freedom… voila’ le “troll”.
Our “journalists” on the MSM tend to cover and mask the real problem, the trolls come out shouting their crazy hate for good.
Welcome welcome, little devils, you make our difficult job easier.
Exactly, Sherab. They inadvertently shine the light on their تقیه b.s. -and, don’tchya love how he used the words “die” and “death” all in one sentence? Now those are the MUSLIMS we know and are supposed to ‘tolerate’. lol
Of course, he’s a 911 ‘truther’ to boot! No, it wasn’t 0sama bin Laden who was FILMED proudly sitting in his bat(sh*t-crazy)-cave watching each plane crash on television as he meticulously and gloatingly counted on his fingers his PLANNED assault on America. No, those Middle East Muslims cheering the towers going down and burning US flags in celebration were just a big LIE.
Allah, aka Sin, aka Hubal is a false moon god, and can not hear or see. His symbol is at the top of your Mosques.
ROPMA!
OK fair enough I will be there with bacon and maybe pork rinds on the sidewalk in front of this place, I’ll buy you a BLT. You don’t know where I cam get Allah toilet paper do you?
God HAS shown me the right path–through His Son, Jesus Christ. So I guess your prayers have been answered! Thanks!
…because secularism had failed to deliver what the Muslim wants, which is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Oh, tell me he didn’t actually say that.
Roger, you need to get a hold of Michael Medved and let him know you go by Roger L. Simon. He thought you were the author of the abominable Politico piece today by Roger (NMI) Simon. He’s been corrected and he’s very relieved because he said it was ruining his whole day.
Mika is short for Mikhael (Michael). Mika can be spelled Micah, commonly seen in the Bible. Mika in hebrew means argumentative, or one that protests, or one that fights. Mika-el (Michael) means one that argues with god, or one that protests, or one that verbally fights with god. El means god. Elohim means god of the gods, or supreme god.
Well yippee f*ckin’ dippidee doo dah day.
Should I congratulate with a gold star as if your stupid @ss matters in this world any more than anyone else’s?
My REAL name means “Angel” or “Messenger from GOD”.
So what?
The CFR controled State Department. They have been part of the problem for a long time. Illegal aliens to help change the culture, and moon god worshipers to attack Americans.
Perhaps, those within the CFR should be brought up on Treason charges, and the illegal North American Union aliens, with the moon god worshipers should be thrown out of America.
Put me in charge Now!
President Barack Obama supports the “Victory Mosque at ground zero while 65% or more of America says NO tho this construction. Since the President is a Muslim ( http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28 ) then it is evident that he does not care about any of the Americans killed on 9/11 but only about the feelings of Islamists who want to build this grand “Victory Mosque”.
Attached are videos #1 & #2 & #3 of what our President supports and what kind of “Change” he wants to bring to America. Change that is NOT in the best interests of America and our laws.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-DbwJtnus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/07/shariah-law-and-english-law.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pat-condell-on-ground-zero-mosque-is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised.html
http://therothshow.com/2010/08/islamic-domination-and-rule-on-its-way-with-new-york-mosque/
Flight 93, Shanksville, Pennsylvania fields, there is also another Muslim victory site being constructed as we speak!
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/07/911-hero-family-member-ground-zero-mosque-is-the-second-mosque-being-built-on-a-911-site-.html
Sharia compliant banks: http://sioe.wordpress.com/sharia-compliant-banks/
Wow. Just wow.
Thank you, Tater darlin’.
Sad
This whole thing is B. S!
Muslims ALWAYS hype that all non muslims should be ‘tolerant’ of their culture. Well, is this a one way street or am I just not seeing the reciprocal behavior not being applied in this case?
In other words, is it always non muslims that have to “cave” in on their cultural and religious beliefs but muslims never have to exercise restraint or good taste?
Either we play together here using the same rules on both sides of the cultural divide or we can expect to see the divide grow.
Now all you need is for another Arabic speaker to verify Walid. That guy’s a lying sack of it. I am, on the other hand, an extremely honest fellow.
Who in the HELL is ‘GOULD’ and why are YOU his appointed ghost?
TOTALLY off-topic, but, I’m curious. lol
Karl Popper the austrian philospher made a remarkable notice about tolerance:
Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them
He wrote this after he hade experienced the rise of Nazis in Germany that used to be a little freaky political fraction.
The american citizens rhigts are endangered by the political implications of Islam. Look at Eurabia thats Your future.
Judging by the reactions of the American people toward this mosque, and the negative view of Islam in general, it seems the years-long effort by the Ruling Class to portray Islam as “the religion of peace that has been hijacked by radicals” is failing. Americans are learning on their own that it is patently untrue. There may be many “moderate” Muslims who would prefer to live and let live, but there is no moderate Islam. Those who engage in the barbarities of jihad, female genital mutilation, stoning to death, misogyny, pedophilia, rape, beheadings, etc., are the real Muslims living up to their “perfect man”, Mohammad. As Christians are enjoined to be more “Christ-like,” so Muslims work to be more like Mo.
This mosque is obviously a symbol of victory for Muslims, and completely in keeping with their M.O. throughout the past 14 centuries of war, bloodshed, brutality and conquer.
However, I do not for a second believe they will succeed in imposing sharia on the USA. The American people will only tolerate the garbage coming our way for so long before we take out the trash. It is our Ruling Class that is weak, inept, appeasement-minded, cowardly and greedy; not the Country Class. Now that the Country Class is wide awake and very angry, it would be most unwise to further provoke us.
I’m probably one of the few who will say that this is extremely stupid and a waste of my time.