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September 29, 2004 - 9:52 pm - by Roger L Simon

BeldarBlog – rapidly rising to the top of my list or near – has been doing some in-depth research on the latest CBS/draft nonsense.

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  1. It looks like CBS is enabling the little Democrat attack set up by the draft bills the Democrats proposed.

    Some number of folks are going to get this email and be scared on behalf of a relative, and maybe switch their vote to Kerry.

    Just a very nasty dirty trick aimed at the unsophisticated.

    But I can’t say that… democrats don’t do dirty tricks, right?

    [Note: Typekey is still having so much trouble that it is a serious impediment to posting.]

  2. 2. Roberts

    Wow, second comment I’ve gotten in in two days.

    I endorse your recommendation of Beldar, he’s done some very interesting analysis.

  3. 3. Homer

    We’re watching a major media corporation commit suicide right before our eyes. Waiting, waiting for the last step…..

  4. 4. chuck

    Hmm…first post failed, logged in again after error message, success.

  5. RLS: Your Beldar link just goes to, ah, Beldar. I think you specifically want this story, no?

    Moore: “[Note: Typekey is still having so much trouble that it is a serious impediment to posting.]”

    Oh, good, it’s not just me. I thought maybe Hollywood residents were being filtered out. And it always says “thanks for singing in, zep” when I first get here, before I’ve even attempted to sign in. Hmmm. Guess it’s working for me this time. :)

    And hey: have you guys seen the latest “reporting” from cBS ?

  6. 6. Samuel

    I think Bernie Goldberg is correct about one important thing. Before I state what he is correct about let me state an important distinction in my support of the Political Right today and Conservatism as it stands.

    I have said that I have been a Liberal, I still refer to myself as Liberal, I will probably always consider myself a Liberal. The distinction for me is that many Conservative friends I have argue that liberal policies from the past like Affirmative Action should never have been… on that I vehemently disagree. My support today comes more from the position that whatever good was to be attained by many liberal policies like Affirmative Action has largely been achieved, they have run their course (in some cases long run their course). I find that many fellow Liberals crying and railing against the scaling back of such policies (you can include other items like Welfare Reform etc.) to be very TIRESOME.

    I view many Liberal policies such as the Environmental Protection Act as becoming vehicles of abuse today, however I also view the implementations of such policies as critical and important and in some cases the policy, like the Environmental Protection Legislation of the 70′s, need to be updated to meet the day we live in. In some cases they do need to be ended. Public Schools should definitely have been forwarded in this society, but the time for Vouchers and School Choice has been long overdue. I could make a list, you get the picture. In other words I do not view many newer policies today as repudiations (in some cases they are). I view us as progressing to the next level of societal advancement and I am ready. Another great example is Unions and Labor laws, who could argue against their importance in the beginning? Child labor was a huge problem, also the number of hours workers worked daily and weekly along with a total lack of recourse from being injured etc. Unions are critical still needed, though not in ways today that equal the past. That being said however I’ll point out that I own a business with hundreds of employees and have told them I would shut down if they tried to unionize? I have never been challenged! Why? Because it is my damn Company, but the true point is that I exceed whatever Unions could do for them in compensation, insurance and protections and they know it, in other words I have rendered Unions unnecessary, so it is not that I am anti-Union, but I do believe Unions have done much to wear out their welcome as well. Well I believe liberalism has done much to wear out their welcome as well. I also feel they need to compete for their ideas fairly and not hang on to their past ways like some Evangelical protecting the last known existing copy of a Bible, and I certainly don’t need a biased MSM spoon feeding me one-sided stories, which leads me to Bernie Goldberg.

    Bernie is a simply a sane liberal who as of the very Day his first book was published in the late 1990′s had never voted for a Republican. I don’t know if he has yet but I’ve got to believe like former liberal John Stossel reality has probably hit him in the ass hard enough. Bernie recognized the detriment to our society the lack of diversity in the newsrooms of our MSM had. Liberalism was Centrism to these people and that was the center of their damn universe. Which brings me back to Affirmative Action. Bernie has suggested that a self imposed Affirmative Action in the established MSM is the only solution. (I say that or die a natural death) I think affirmative action has its place, I purposely diversify my workplace. Why, for do-gooders sake? No, because my business is better for it and society is better for it. I would submit that society would be better for it if CBS and the NYTIMES and other MSM members followed the same practice and added a more politically diverse staff.

    By now we should be smart enough in this society to know the detriment that “yes people” and following “echo chambers” has on business, how the MSM could continue to be so knuckleheaded about such things is beyond me. But then again, why is my Gay brother voting for Bush and my wife and Mother of five children (a poster child “Security Mom”) voting for Kerry? Answer that one and I will be able to solve all world problems, but until then both CBS and my Wife will have me scratching my head.

  7. 7. Terrye

    Samuel:

    I wish you would give me a job, I am sick of mine.I will work for next to nothing…. just ask my boss. One of the hardest things for me to get used to when I left the farm was working for someone else.

    Enough sucking up.

    I think your wife is voting for Kerry because she thinks all the bad stuff will go away when Bush goes away. I don’t, but this is what the Dems are trying to portray. Your brother is more realistic that is all.

    I think that the Dems are demagogues. Whether the issue be labor or schools or social security there is no debate, you are either with them or with Satan.

    But they are also shameless sluts in that they curry favor and pretend undying love and loyalty all the while…

    I wonder what the reactrion of the Democratic party would have been if Bush had come into office and called for an end to all sanctions against Saddam? If he had referred to the Iraqi Liberation Act as naked aggression and immediately gone to the UN to introduce a resolution releasing Saddam from all and any requirements from the international community?

    Would the Dems and CBS called this one oil man pandering to another? Would they have recounted Saddam’s horrific history, his use of wmd, hios refusal to disarm?

    I think so. They have no center. They just react.

  8. 8. Knucklehead

    Samuel: & Terrye,

    Great posts, thanks. The Dems are reactionary. Roger has taken up using that word to describe them and it is very accurate. They are all about protecting policies, programs, and organizations that, at least it can be argued, once provided great value and served the purpose of advancing our society in a positive direction. But the value they bring has been wrung out of them and its time to move on and adjust. Reactionaries want no part of that. They’ve built their system of patronage and power maintenance upon these programs and no longer seek the societal benefits of them but want them to continue only for the patronage and political power.

    To your point, Terrye, if Bush had come out for returning Iraq and Saddam to the “community of nations” and removing sanctions the Left, the Dems, would have has a screeching hissey fit that he was trading blood for oil and selling the World’s Best Interests out for the sake of making oil money for his buddies.

    They are not about contributing and helping solve problems. They are about clinging to whatever shreds of power they still have and grabbing back whatever they can. Recalcitrant, seditious bastards, the whole lot – whether willfully so or not no longer matters.

    Watch the sniping that goes on from the Reactionaries re: NCLB. They have ZERO interest in figuring out how to stop the declining situation in public education or figure out how to make public education match the needs of our nation’s children moving forward through the 21st century. NCLB is not “their” program and threatens their control. So they react by sniping that NCLB has “flaws” (No Shit, Sherlock!) rather than acknowledging that the current system is on the a path to “auger in” and we need to find ways to fix it, do some things different, and as we do identify and repair the flaws. The Reactionaries are willing to drown the baby to save the bathwater.

  9. ìBernie has suggested that a self imposed Affirmative Action in the established MSM is the only solution.î

    The idea may have some merit—but itís not going anywhere. There are far too many old guard liberal executives in the MSM. They will not be leaving fast enough to bring about such needed changes. Such a cultural paradigm shift will take decades. The public will not wait that long.

    The MSM will not entirely disappear. They will still have their place at the table. It just wonít be as dominant as before.

  10. ìThe Reactionaries are willing to drown the baby to save the bathwater.î

    I wish to slightly modify the above sentence. This is how I prefer to describe the situation:

    The Reactionaries, who are financially set, are willing to drown the baby to save the bathwater.

    Many of these old guard MSM executives have got it made. They have contracts which protect their financial interests. Let the ship sink—they have little to worry about. Their good times will continue to roll.

  11. 11. D Anghelone

    Samuel,

    Bootstrapping and sunsetting? That is what was promised long ago. If you are the millenial Democrat then maybe there is hope.

  12. 12. richard mcenroe

    John Moore ó Unsophisticated people on the internet? Is such a thing possible? *g*

  13. The liberal politicians who are pushing this draft bill have zero respect for young voters. Their attitude seems to be that if we Democrats manage to pass this bill reinstating the draft, young people will respond by punishing the Republicans, heh.

  14. 14. Knucklehead

    This idiocy has apparently got wheels and is propogating rapidly.

    I don’t know how to fight this sort of thing other than to point as many people as I know who have HS college age kids (and college kids), by “mass” email, to FactCheck.org

    It really is stupid and/or despicable.

  15. 15. jerry

    Has anybody seen that moveon.org is trying to put pressure on CBS to run their 60 minutes “16 words” hit piece.

    See: http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2004_09_28.shtml#1096519020

    For those who don’t know CBS cancelled a 30-minute segment on the Niger yellowcake story in the wake of Rathergate. Now Moveon.org, which apparently has previewed a copy, and wants CBS to further damage their reputation by running another “fake but accurate” story. I think we have moveon.org all wrong. They must really be a creation of Carl Rove designed to torpedo the Dems from within.

    I want to crow a little bit about this piece. When I first saw report on Drudge I posted that the story must be Joe Wilson redux. I was right. The story line was the administration relied on forged documents to make the yellowcake claim and that Joe Wilson had reported back that Iraq was not looking for uranium in Niger. However, since even the MSM has reported that the evidence used by MI-6 was not the forged documents but solid intelligence. Joe Wilson has long since admitted to lying about what he had found. It would have been a disaster for CBS to go with the segment. We also now know two more facts. (1) The administration immediately spotted the Italian documents as forgeries and (2) the French provided the forgeries to embarrass Bush and Blair. I think CBS will go with the story after the election and instead of focusing on Bush will be about the French connection. They are in delay mode to protect Kerry not Bush.

    My message to moveon.org is I wish you success in pressuring CBS to go with another demonstrably false story. It will send Kerry further down in the polls and CBS further down in the ratings.

  16. 16. Knucklehead

    Oh boy…

    Marginally OT, but apparently there’s some PhD at Utha State University who used a computer and photoshop to make the claim that the CBS Bush-TANG memos are authentic.

    As you might expect, Whizbang and LGF are all over it.

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