On the surface (and probably below the surface too) the brouhaha over Linda Ronstadt getting the boot is about as trivial, given the affairs of our day, as it gets. For those who have missed this, La Ronstadt was booed off stage at the Aladdin and then fired by the managment of the Vegas hotel for dedicating her performance to Michael Moore, in her words a “great American patriot.”
Now here’s why I’m even bothering to post about this. Although I supported and still support the war in Iraq, there are decent, educated arguments against it. And, indeed, the verdict of history has not be written and may not be for many years. Did the attempt – by force – to bring the Arab Middle East its first democracy work? We don’t know yet. Far from it.
But what we do know… any of us who are paying the slightest attention that is… is that Michael Moore is self-promoting serial liar whose movie bears as much relationship to the truth as Nosferatu (apologies to Murnau). Now does Ronstadt not care about that or is she simply illiterate? And I’m not talking just about Ronstadt here, but an entire genre of entertainer. I’m sure Elton John below is equally uninformed. Is it simply because they want to be liked? Is it that banal?
Given the educational attainments of the Hollywood “elite” both literacy and banality are equally valid hypotheses. This kerfluffle will, of course, be trumpeted as more evidence of censorship rather than what appeared to be the free market choices of citizens looking for entertainment and not politics.
Roger — Nosferatau isn’t true? Did you meet my last producer?
What slays me about Ronstadt, Elton John, and the rest of the Hollywood left is that they think I want to know what they have to say about politics.
Number one, I read the writing of smart people — like you, Roger — who have proven some level of expertise and knowledge in the areas upon which they speak.
Entertainers have achieved their fame because, well, they sing real purty, or they recite the lines written by someone else as if they had thought them up — they pretend real good, as my neighbors daughter might say.
It’s not that they don’t have a right to spout off; just don’t do it on *my* dime. When I’m attending a concert, you can be assured i didn’t buy tickets to hear what the Dixie Chicks or Linda Ronstadt think about ANYTHING. I just want to hear them sing.
Then they complain when the fans turn away and start pissing and moaning about censorship. Or as I prefer to think of it, consequence-free speech.
Was the Casino right to fire her? Of course. The patrons had no expectation that they’d get a harangue with their ticket. What if she’d lectured the audience that abortion is murder? What a buzzkill, huh?
The worst part of all this is that I can’t enjoy many talented performers anymore, because I know what idiots they are.
One of the many advantages of the old studio system — and the old-style movie stars — was that they realized that they needed to maintain some degree of distance from the public, so we could know them through their roles.
What were the political passions of Clark Gable? Jimmy Stewart? Cary Grant? Hell if I know. There are a few who keep their opinions to themselves. What does Kevin Bacon think about the war? Dunno. But I sure know what his costars in “Mystic River” think about Pres. Bush. Which kept me from seeing the film, because I can’t suspend disbelief long enough to get into the story.
So I read the book instead.
Same thing with the Dixie Chicks. I like the music, but I can’t abide the politics. Consequently, the music is no longer a joyous listen, ’cause it’s tainted by my knowledge that they’re ignorant moonbats.
I still do like “Long Time Gone,” ‘tho.
OT via LGF, could be nothing, yet again….:
President Bill Clintonís former national security adviser Sandy Berger is under investigation for stealing highly classified terrorism documents from a secure reading roomóand some of those documents are still missing: Clinton Adviser Probed in Terror Memos.
I know I’d be upset paying $100 bucks for a lousy performance before I was subject to personal political beliefs.
I see she’s been removed, don’t know how much tickets were, but 5000 people isn’t small change.
RogerA,
I doubt that it is a question of intelligence. I would posit instead an inability to assimilate change. Some people awoke to a new world on Sept. 12th and some people are stuck on Sept. 10th. That’s true for politicians as well as celebrities (although those roles continue to merge). The Dem’s hopes rest on an assumption that a fair number of people are stuck on Sept. 10 and they are going to continue to send out their memebots to cultivate that group’s vision of the past. Ronstadt is just one more broken arrow in a rotting quiver.
I don’t care so much what an entertainer’s political opinion is. What bothers me, as a poor forlorn liberal, is that what should be the serious portion of the left refuses to distance itself from the extremists on the far left.
Many years ago, in an intro to politics class, I remember the professor drawing a circle on the board. The right was on one side, the left was on the other. He said you could cross from one side to the other by passing through the center on top, or the lunatic fringe on the bottom. When I see the far left allied with intolerant and brutal Islamic fanatics it is clear they well into lunatic fringe territory.
Oh well, the elitists on the left have hooked themselves onto a team of horses headed for the cliff. I’ll be glad to be rid of them when they go over it.
Poor Linda. She wants yesterday. Like most, she wants to forget. Too bad, it’s gone. And yes, I know it’s the title of a song. I can’t remember who does it.
Mike,
I agree with you 100%. Particularly on the “abortion is murder” bit. If any entertainer threw that little tidbit into their act there would be heck to pay.
There is a backlash, I believe. Just like the unofficial boycott of French goods, there is a growing number of people who are boycotting some of these performers.
What colossal gall these people have.
Mike has it exactly right. What these people demand is consequence-free speech. If you say something stupid and someone points that out, you have not lost any rights. Similarly, Linda Ronstadt introduced politics into a forum where it does not belong. She got what she had coming, so she should not compound the problem by whining about it.
Well have to say first, Linda Ronstadt has every right to her opinions. What pisses me off is that she and all the rest of the LLL in turn thinks that I don’t have the right to express my opinion about her/their opinion. If I choose to boo, walk out, complain to management and anything else I choose within the law, it is my right to do so.
If it were the government doing this that would be wrong, but it is not. It is the people and the people have as much right to express their opinion in return.
Why don’t the Looney Left get this. This is not censorship this is a Democracy with free speech and thoughts for all.
This is just one of mine.
Like others on the infantile left, Ms. Linda has come to regard acceptance and approval as an entitlement rather than a judgement of the marketplace. It’s no accident that the most vocal members of the Hollywood left tend to be marginally talented has-beens (e.g. Chevy Chase, Whoopie Goldberg, etc.) When the applause fades, it can’t possibly be because they’ve lost their audience or their talent; it must be the fault of their political enemies.
The best news in your post is that she was booed off the stage. It isn’t too early to see the Bush foreign policy has been a fantastic success. The wall in Israel has already stopped 106 of 109 suicide bomber attempts. The Saudis are killing al-Quaeda for us. Dr. Khan is out of business, and Khaddafi has turned in his bombs. The UN is exposed as the kleptocracy it always was. Pakistan and India have made up. Korsai and Allawi are both hugely popular heads of popular goverments. Troops are coming out of Germany and South Korea, after fifty years. In short, the map has been remade, beyond the power of any President Kerry to undo, at the cost of 850 volunteer troops. They did not die in vain… Gradually, the enormity of the changes will become more apparent to everyone. Perceptive Democrats are already filled with creeping terror about November 2nd.
When the words “First Amendment” come out, there’s a high probability that the person speaking about it is like Ronstat – an idiot who has been miseducated to believe that they have a right to say what they want, on other people’s money.
Screw ‘em.
It would be nice, however, if someone shut up Howard Stern. What a cheap, trashy guy, now pumping up his leadership to attack Bush because of some silly conspiracy theory that it was Bush who got him taken off of some stations.
Rick,
You are too kind,they are dumb.The first rule is know your audience,what goes down at at a a concert in a muddy field is going to go like a lead balloon at a Vegas casino.Why didn’t Ronstadt do the gig,sing “Three Cheers for the Red White and Blue”, take the money and be grateful that the toilet facilities are better in Vegas. Over a certain age the latter is worth its weight in gold.
The verdict indeed will be some time coming on the democracy aspect. But Roger the verdict is already in on achievement of the war’s primary objective: elimination of a regime that was an uncontainable, undeterrable potential WMD proliferator with enormous resources, decades of deep involvement with diverse terror groups, unmatched malevolence towards the US and its (real) allies, and a history of the most recklessly aggressive actions of any state since the ’30s.
And maybe it’s just me, but I’ve yet to see the decent and educated arguments offering a plausible alternative to regime change that dealt with those vital post-9/11 considerations.
I believe that the entertainers are trying very hard to play “I am a dissident” game.
Under good old Soviet rule whenever you went to a concert, or a play you may have experienced an unexpected treat, such as a conductor/ author/ actor making some pro freedom anti-government statement, to the thunderous applause of the audience. Often these things were disguised as a clever remark with a double meaning (the main reason why cabaret was such a popular form of an entertainment) but sometimes statements were open. Depending on the statue of the person making such a remark, a period within the timeline of the Communist experiment the remark was made, and whim of Politburo, the person could have been hauled to jail, lose of all possibility of employment, or harassed by the police ñ the last one may include some roughing up, setting fire to your property etc. Of course, the punishment was more harsh during Stalinist period when wrapping a fish purchased on a marked in a newspaper bearing the picture of The Great Leader, would mean death, gulag, or whatever local chief of militia deemed necessary to further his career.
On the other hand your name would immediately become a household name and would be deemed a hero by everybody who was decent. But I honestly donít think that anybody was sticking their necks for reasons of vanity ñ these people were trying to speak up because they wee trying to give hope and challenge the regime. Besides, it is not easy to keep your mouth shut all the time, saying one thing and thinking another, just to survive.
It is my belief that all those America entertainers are indulging in Fantasy Ideology, defined by Lee Harris in his very interesting book ìCivilization and Its Enemiesî as “political and ideological symbols and tropes used not for political purposes but entirely for the benefit of furthering a specific personal fantasy”. He points out that embracing fantasy ideology usually has the unfortunate consequences of screening the reality of the world and requires seeing real people and real events as nothing but theatrical props necessary to create and maintain the fantasy. These psychological games may end up with radical consequences, if enough people will stop registering the reality and instead adhering to the fantasy world. Nazism and Communism were such fantasies. Radical Islam is another.
Our leftist “elites” engage in fantasy ideology of their own where they play brave dissidents groaning under jackboot of a regime far worse than Stalin and Hitler could have dreamed of. They crave the recognition and hero status of real dissidents who were (and still are in many countries less tolerant and civilized than ours) who take very real risk. People in the audience who boo instead of cheering and applauding simply not playing along ñ and thus have to be reclassified as props: rubes, rednecks, warmongers, ignorant, stupid, or whatever is the latest fashionable insult. It is necessary for the fantasist to convice himself that that those who do not applaud have absolutely no valid point of view, and lack all decency, morality, and itelligence.
Sometimes I indulge in a fantasy of my own and try to imagine faces of many of the brave artiste should they encountered a real life regime that they imagine are living under and were indeed hauled to some nice concentration camp. But I realize that no matter how stupid they may be, they are real people and I have no interest in punishing them in any other way than with my wallet ñ until, of course, they start breaking the law.
There’s more than meets the eye with this story–Ronstadt was saying before the gig that she didn’t want to get invited back, and she seems to have made sure of it.
As for Moore, what is there left to say? He doesn’t respect his audience obviously. I read part of the transcript over at Red Line Rants with regard to the election night Florida fiasco, and he blatantly misleads people into believing that Bush’s cousin was the reason all the networks started calling Florida for Bush. In actuality, they were computing the numbers and realizing that in order for Gore to win he would have to get an inordinate percentage of the remaining ballots (which, suspiciously enough, he did).
Peter,
Katherine’s great post hits the point I was shooting for. Really dumb people don’t usually become celebrities but some celebrities have played the role of “dissident” so long that it has become their reality. Of course, “dissidence” in the US is not exactly fraught with danger but it’s all pretend anyway. I certainly agree with you that what she did was stupid – I just don’t think she is actually stupid. Think Norma Desmond when examining the actions of these “celebrities”. The movies just aren’t big enough for them any more.
They don’t even know that they’ve become memebots.
Katherine
Interesting bit of trivia, and an accurate shot. It is clear that many of the “stars” have a very romantic view of the world, and hence are especially susceptible to swooning over Fidel Castro or praising Palestinian butchers. Their frequest referral to the blacklist days and McCarthy (who had nothing to do with actors, but don’t let that stop a romantic fantasy) indicates a wistfullness – a hope that someone will black-list them so they can be heroic. Hence they see censorship around every corner. What is better for the left wing soul than to be censored, after all.
The people are really pathetic, dangerous, but pathetic.
Has Ms Ronstadt said anything? Just curious. She may of course believe strongly in what she says and be willing to take the flack. But complaints will fall on deaf ears here. There is *no* requirement that anyone treat her nicely. Heck, my granddad was stoned out of town for preaching, got a concussion in the process. He didn’t expect to be treated with kid gloves, but he sure believed in getting his message out. Can’t say that I agree with his message either, but I’m happy to boast about his guts.
“Is it simply because they want to be liked? Is it that banal?”– Roger
No. It’s banal but not for that reason.They simply don’t get out enough.Surrounded by like minded people who rarely if ever talk to anyone NORMAL,they simply find it easier to regurgitate the things EVERYONE is saying.
It is sad in a way.Here they have so much and so many opportunities to live a full and learned life and they settle for mass stupidity instead.Shallow — shallow —shallow.
Nothing wrong with being shallow as long as you recognise that it is shallow.It’s when you confuse your self-imposed ignorance with objective truth that problems arise.I hope she takes stock of her life after this but NO CHANCE.In her mind she is a VICTIM not a SIMPLETON. No capacity for introspection whatsoever and therefore no capacity for any growth.That is what separates Ronstadt from Roger.
Rick,
A large number of the ones I have worked with merely have a “talent to amuse” but are in every other way very ordinary,some are downright remedial,the ones with brains usually keep their heads down.
There are quite a few that left school,bummed around for a few years and won the equvalent of the lottery and forty years later still think they are working class,the only thing is, that when the were give a chance to join they passed on it.
Many of them talk the socialist talk but walk the capitalist walk.This industry is the 19th century class system, red in tooth and claw.
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Peter,
Have you ever read the blog at Harrys Place?
Marxist pro war British site. Sometimes I think I am at a 1936 Communist Party rally at Madison Square Garden in NY. Their frame of reference is so 1930s leftist. And as you said, most of them are “capitalists” now, but still talk the comrade and brother and union cant.
TedM,
Occasionally,believe it or not Harry is quite moderate compared to some of the splenetic,swivel eyed, mouth foamers that we have here,again none of the buggers have ever had a day job.
Peter,
I do like Norm Geras though. At least some of the left in Britain will criticize the loonies. I wish we had a sane academic left here who would do the same.
Aprapos of nothing, Pete Townshend recently denounced Moore on his website when he explained why he refused to permit Moore to use “Won’t Get Fooled Again” for his propaganda piece. Also, I have not heard Bob Dylan say anything political lately. Perhaps it’s wishful thinking but I like to think Bob is too wise to be taken in by anyone’s bullshit. This is the guy who said “Well I try my best just to be like I am, but everybody wants me to be just like them. They say sing while you slave but I just get bored…”
Something to keep in mind when people like Babs, Sir Elton, Ronstadt, et al open their mouths…
these are people who are seldom told, “no.” They are surrounded by people whose livelihood is dependent on keeping their principle happy and agreeable. They do not hear disagreement or contradicting information. They are also surrounded by people who can use them, so flattery and a spurious sense of their own indispensability are the order of the day. As a result, their brains turn to crap in very short order.
For my part, the next time I make a joke about old Red Ken Livingstone poisoning pigeons in the park and some UK poster advises me that Yanks have no business talking about British politics, I shall think of Sir Elton and be warmed…
Katharine — I saw many of our brave Hollywood elite in action in Los Angeles during the riots. The words craven and hysteria come to mind…
Whilst not wishing to imply that anyone named here is indulges in such practices,one has to remember lifestyle habits.
There are those that have shoved stuff up their noses,inbibed anything that can be fermented and generally kept the cottage industries of Afghanistan and Columbia in business.There is one actor I believe had to have a drug continuity attendant to balance his mood from one scene to another.So adding this to the points so aptly pointed out above,what is it we are listening to?
TedM Yes I too like Geras.
Let’s not forget that back in the day, many of these folks *were* considered founts of wisdom and insight. I recall the Beatles records being treated as some sort of newer testement, and the words of Bob Dylan taken as revelatory. I can easily see some of these folks coming to believe in their messianic role. It was perhaps like being a football hero in highschool. And now we are older.
chuck
I loved the music of the acid rock / protest era. But I never considered it to be anything other than music. The idea the Bob Dylan actually knew something interesting never occurred to me. Ditto for the Beatles.
John, sound advice, but difficult for young people to follow. Musicians are poets to the young and inevitably their words become imbued with special meaning to their impressionable fans. Fortunately Townsend (whose songs sang to me) burned his bridges with me long ago. I still love his music, but I recognize that he’s just a weird old man (his support for the war notwithstanding).
What if she saw herself as a fading diva fated to live out her last performances in Las Vegas while Michael Moore, Whoopi Goldberg and the Dixie Chicks get Time covers and NYT adulation and big TV contracts? What if she was tired of the Aladdin and wanted to go home anyway?
What if she blew the concert and added the political platitudes to make her failure a First Amendment issue?
The story is too pat; her performance was too bad. Either she’s fallen down a rat hole or there was another motivation.
(P.S.: What if the Dixie Chicks were just trying to change their market?)
I guess I was just never young. No, actually, I wasn’t much interested in the lyrics – just the sound. Which is why I detested Dylan – he didn’t sing, he whined out the lyrics. It was horrible. But if someone else performed them, there was an overall, tonal sound, and that was what I heard.
Jan Bear,
Ronstadt is an old stager from way back she knew the score, Vegas is the elephant’s graveyard but it pays.Unless she is doing a “Prince” for contractual reasons,in which case there will be a next move,has she got other work? This kind of thing can be the kiss of death in the business,once an act is seen as unreliable work dries up and if her tax situation is bad…..
“What if the Dixie Chicks were just trying to change their market?”
They’ve certainly done that,trouble is they aren’t country fans.
John,
I was kind of taken aback myself when I first ran into it. I was a classical music buff and thought that pop music was, well, just entertainment. But the folk singing phenomenon, a bit before my time, had serious moral aspirations, there were people looking for enlightenment thru the acid experience, or trying to achieve some sort of personal liberation and growth via sex. The music spoke to this experience, and the musicians were the guides, often the explorers. Look at the role Vaclav Havel assigns to rock and roll in freeing up Eastern Europe. This isn’t new, Wagner’s music certainly played a part in the Third Reich, there are probably many examples more knowledgeable people could point out (i.e., the Civil War?) Not making any moral judgements here, just pointing out that music/songs have political and social implications for many folks.
“I wish we had a sane academic left here who would do the same.”
We have Dissent Magazine where Paul Berman and Michael Walzer hang out. They aren’t really academics though.
Chuck
The songs have strong significance for me, but not the lyrics. But I long ago found out that most people did pay attention to the lyrics. I have trouble hearing them, always have, and am into the music anyway, not the words.
What I find odd is that of the myriad of FM stations, none of them play that stuff around here (Phoenix). I was hoping that with consolidation, we could get more diversity – after all, if you have three stations in one market, why play the same stuff on all three?
OTOH, when working, if I am not running FNN in the background, I just go on the net and get classical music. Still the best stuff for writing software.
Katherine:
You have them dead to rights. It is indeed a fantasy ideology…and a highly narcissistic one at that.
These elements are a recurring theme with lefties. Narcissism, delusions of grandeur, feigned moral superiority, a need to direct and instruct-enlighten others, and most of all a craving for power in order to implement their agenda.
Thomas Sowell writes that the fall of a great power or civilization is usually preceded by a lack of the corrective feedback of hard reality leading to the blind following of a dangerous course of action to its fatal conclusion.
The left has, with the incessant promulgation of the big lie, ensured that they will always fall prey to this disastrous scenario. Once one sacrifices truth for political expediency, one’s calculations will suffer from the compounding of errors until the inevitable ruinous clash with reality occurs.
You know, the old idea about finding oneself in a hole, and proceeding to dig furiously.
Here is Central Ohio, we have a very large land-grant university whose main claim to fame seems to be its football program. The Academic Cadre of this university, rather than living in the anarcho-syndicalist communes they advocate for the rest of us, tend to congregate in the rather nice brick and timber dwellings located in a suburb called Clintonville. Older homes, big trees, a couple of coffeehouses and a feminist bookstore gives it that fake bohemian feel they love. It is a nice area, not as nice as Upper Arlington, but not as snooty (or as expensive).
I mention this because in La Linda we are dealing with the same phenomenon…what I call Suburban Marxism. Just as it is difficult to take a Marxist Professor with a mortgage and a Volvo with complete seriousness, it is difficult to take an entertainer spouting about politics from a stage in Las Vegas with any degree of seriousness. Think about it. Las Vegas. One does not launch la revolucion from a lounge in Las Vegas anymore than one launches it from the backyard of a suburban domicile.
Yeah, I know Joan Baez made it O.K. for all has-been ’60s anti-Establishment acts to sell out and make an honest living playing to Shiners, but that doesn’t do much for the revolutionary creds, if you know what I mean. And in the case of both La Linda and Sir Elton, we are talking people with no creds in the first place, and who saw their best days about 30 years ago.
To me this kind of ties into the Margaret Cho/Al Franken/Whoopi Goldberg thingee…these are not top tier entertainers. A close look at the Anti-Liberation Entertainer crowd discloses that the vast majority of these folks are either B-listers (Robbins, Goldberg), C-listers (Cho, Franken, Crowe) or well past prime no-listers (Streisand, Rondstat, John). I get the feeling (and I have since the start), that this is as much about getting attention and jump starting careers as it is about World Peace and the like.
In the case of Rondstat, I have a sneaking suspicion that her Moore comments didn’t spoil an evening of fine entertainment. I think it more likely that it was the capper to an evening of crappy entertainment. If she was bad enough, that crowd would have booed her off the stage for anything. And given the fact that she was booed at the start of her encore, I have the funniest feeling there were a lot of people in that audience looking for an excuse to show their displeasure with her efforts. She’s 30 years past her prime, and for all we know she could be sounding like Ethel Merman and looking like Buddy Hackett.
At best she could have done this out of her deeply held Suburban Marxist beliefs, at worst she could have done it just to keep from getting panned for her act! Either way, I wouldn’t read much into this.
Dennis:
I think you are wrong about the reason Joan Biaz dropped the revolution schtick. She got burned. I give her some credit for seeing that NVA were a bunch of thugs and killers. If you remember she visited Vietnam in the late 1970′s and came back to condemn the regime. I wish she would have taken the next step and changed her mind about the motivation for the war. However, she did abandon open politics after her experience. I think she learned her limitations. I never really liked her all that much and preferred Judy Collins who was less in political view.
Jerry-
A fair point. Joan did take a lot of crap from their Lefty pals for right-wing deviationism with regards to Viet Nam and Cambodia.
I would argue that my point stands, however, because she never really did leave the Left. And from what I can discern from my readings, she still wants to be part of that crowd.
Dennis:
I don’t have a problem with someones politics as long as they understand what their opinion is worth. Biaz has figured out that she is a singer, not a geopolitical strategist. She has her views but also understands she is just a singer of someone elses songs. If only Babs and company would figure that out.
Joan Baez, guys, Joan “Biaz” is the copywriter for Sam Donaldson who makes sure all the “even though Iraq is a quagmire” references get into all the news articles…
Roger, the only thing we need to know about Linda is that she has the brain of a singer.
Doug,
This thread has long since run its course but I get the impression that we have a similar sense of Mr. Dylan. One reason I continued to enjoy his work for a long time was that he seemed to have a well developed sense of “Hey, you guys take this stuff and yourselves way too seriously” or, perhaps, “hey, you guys are as much a problem as the stuff you’re pissed off about.”
Much of his work, in my knuckleheaded interpretation, takes simultaneous swipes at both the “establishment” and the folks who want a “revolution”.
But I fully admit that given Dylan’s lyrics, most any interpretation is possible
It’s just one of those tiresome persistent facts you have to get used to: people in the “communicating” industries, from news anchors to editorial writers to reporters to fine artists to entertainers are – with the rarest of exceptions – going to spout the leftist line.
‘”I keep hoping that if I’m annoying enough to them, they won’t hire me back,” she said.”
Duh.
Check out the picture of her on the front of DrudgeReport.com.
“ìItís a real conflict for me when I go to a concert and find out somebody in the audience is a Republican or fundamental Christian. It can cloud my enjoyment. Iíd rather not know.î”
“The state of the nation: ìI saw a movie recently about a camel and these people in Mongolia, and I relate to them better than people here in this country. It looks like (Germanyís) Weimar Republic to me here.î”
What a stupid woman.
Roger:
Thank goodness we have artists like LR to tell us the true state of the Republic, which is so similar to the Weimar Republic. I did not know that artists were not just getting booed but that they were being beaten up and killed. I did not know that centrist politicians were having shock troops from the nazi and communist parties working together to distrupt their political meetings and bring weapons to start riots and kill politicians who were not in either camp. I did not know that President Bush was planning to burn down the Senate building so he could install a dictatorship. I did not know that that Bush was planning to round up a minority group, put them into camps and kill them.I did not know that he was planning to invade France and the rest of europe so he could eliminate Democratic governments and install himself as dictator of the world. Thank goodness we have someone with the historical wisdom of Linda to tell us the true state of the United States of America.
Invade France?
The jokes write themselvs here….
katherine:
I didn’t say invding France wouldn’t have an upside, I was just making the point that Bush was not planning it!