Ann Barnhardt, Culture Hero
Even if you don’t do anything else today, please take a moment to look at the two videos that Ann Barnhardt, an intrepid Colorado resident, made a couple of days ago responding to Senator Lindsey Graham’s spineless attack on Terry Jones, the Florida minister who presided over a “trial” and burning of a Koran late last month. I link to them at the end of this post.
A recap: When publicized and condemned by Afghan President Hamid Karzai and officials in Pakistan last week, Jones’s bonfire provided the occasion for the deadly riots in Afghanistan that (so far) have left a dozen people dead, including UN and NATO personnel. The instant response from the liberal establishment was condemnation — not of the rioters who were, as is their wont, murdering for Allah, but of Terry Jones. As I noted in this space Monday, Islamophiliacs from Time’s Joe Klein to Senators Harry Reid and Lindsey Graham blamed Jones for the rampage. Even General David Petraeus condemned the Koran burning as “hateful, intolerant, extremely disrespectful.” On Face the Nation, Lindsey Graham said:
I wish we could find some way to hold people accountable. Free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war. During World War II you had limits on what you could do if it inspired the enemy. Any time we can push back here in American against actions like this that put our troops at risk, we ought to do it.
Sobering, isn’t it, to realize how quickly folks entrusted with upholding the Constitution are willing to dispense with its protections? I was moderately tart about these latest exhibitions of what I called “preemptive capitulation.” But my response was a veritable valentine compared with Ms. Barnhardt’s eloquent demolition. There are some theatrics in her presentation. She repeatedly calls Graham a “jackass” — a “stupid, stupid jackass” on one occasion. In part two, she reads various passages from the Koran — those memorable bijoux that advocate the murder of Jews, infidels, and apostates, the rape of women prisoners, pedophilia, and beating of insufficiently submissive wives, etc. — and then rips out the offending pages and burns them in a glass fire-bowl. Crowning detail: she has bookmarked the passages with rashers of uncooked bacon. (“Raw bacon,” she explains, “makes the best Koranic bookmark.”)
Ms. Barnhardt describes the reading and burning of the Koran as “the main event.” It is a riveting performance, her declamation and analysis of all those goads to violence and mayhem, followed by the incineration, one leaf after the next, of the dozen or so pages she chose: “Evil, evil garbage, in it goes and up in flames!”
But perhaps even more impressive is Ms. Barnhardt’s excoriation of Lindsey Graham and his contemptible suggestion that the free speech of American citizens should be curtailed in the face of Islamic intimidation.
Read it again: “I wish we could find some way to hold people accountable,” said this U.S. senator. “Free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war. During World War II you had limits on what you could do if it inspired the enemy. Any time we can push back here in American against actions like this that put our troops at risk, we ought to do it.”
Ms. Barnhardt picks this apart phrase by disgraceful phrase. “Hold people accountable”? Accountable for what? she asks.
For exercising their Constitutionally protected and divinely ordained right to freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and freedom of religion? Hey Jackass, have you not read the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States?
What Lindsey Graham wants to do, she continues, is to “elevate the totalitarian political system masquerading as a religion called Islam to a status which
supersedes and overrides the First Amendment to the Constitution and thus places it in a position of specially protected legal superiority wherein criticism of Islam or failure to show proper and sufficient deference and honor for Islamic texts is a crime. Hey Lindsey, you Jackass, you know what that’s called? It’s called Sharia. What the hell is wrong with you?”
When is Little Lindsey up for re-election? I don’t have much to offer, maybe 10 bucks, but I am donating it to the campaign of whomever runs against him. If, God forbid, Republicans in SC renominate this worthless hack, the 10 bucks goes to the Democrat
I will join you! If enough of us decide that little lindsey’s days in office are numbered, our combined $10 can and will ensure that he is fired at the soonest opportunity!
He was re-elected in 2008, so we are stuck with him until 2014.
A pessimistic fellow would surmise that Lindsey is counting on us not remembering this stuff in 2014.
Thank God for the internet, eh?
What happened to the south? The south was always so conservative, especially South Carolina. So how did they come to elect a putz like Graham? Did anyone ever hear about impeachment?
Impeachment may not work, but how about a recall?
Amidst all this is the fact that as a result of Karsai’s condemnation, a gaggle of otherwise criminal (by our standards of law) throatcutters, dropped what they were doing, and went out of their way to prove Jones’s point. Specifically, that islam is nothing but a pretext for criminal throatcutters to murder anyone, “in the name of the prophet”.
And that, of course, means that they murder plenty of other muslims, as werll, “in the name of the prophet” too. Particularly women.
Not till 14
Sounds like a great plan! Also like to retire Juan McCain, who forbid anyone to call O-BOMB-A by his middle name! Hussein!
We have fifty backup governments for what has become the lawless federal government. How about we just shut down the feds and let the states run things for a while. They can’t do any worse than the feds are doing.
What a sad sick women she is, i feel great pity for this foul mouthed person. She clearly has a number of psychiatric issues that need to be addressed. I only pray she finds someone patient enough to deal with her, poor creature.
I pray to ALLAH that she might gain awareness of the beauty of the Qur’an and the respect that millions of people muslim and non muslims have for the Prophet (saaw)
As for putting bacon in the Qur’an what a foolish childish act, in the Bible it also forbids the eating of Pig. Mis quoting the Qur’an, you poor misguided lady. I only have compassion for you
i invite you to my clinic in Dubai and i will give you free help, and education is Islam. I am a Muslim living in Dubai and British, and proud to be Muslim.
She only read from your bible. I believe you need to read your bible to prove if she is right or wrong. If she is right, your religion is the false religion of the end time and your prophet will be cast into the lake of fire with all those who follow after this un-Godly religion. Heaven help the people to wake up to truth.
Chuck
Islam is the fastest growing religion. There are currently 1.9 billion Muslims. American’s are the fastest growing of all other countries in the world, more reverting back to Islam. We are all born muslims.
The Noble Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw) holding the real truth for people who are willing to open their eyes. Why dont you read it, you will then learn the real truth
As i look at the other comments, i am shocked by the hate that so many of you have in your hearts. The profanities show a lack of education, and intellect.
I have asked Etilislat ( telco) to ban this site as it is offensive to Islam and to educated Americans.
Insha Allah you will see the errors of your ways before it is too late.
God Bless America, sorry I mean ALLAH bless America xxx
Amal,
Inasmuch a you don’t get it, islam is a totalitarian ideology, and there are many millions of people who do not choose to live under sharia law and islamic tyranny. Any ‘religion’ that treats its women and children as does islam, deserves to be removed from the face of the world. Humans have grown past the disgusting disgrace of a male dominated tyranny that has not built or contributed to man’s betterment for many centuries.
The last thing the people need is another totalitarian regime running around killing and destroying the rest of the world as does islamic followers.
Amal, you failed to mentioned that the reason so many people are “converting” to islam is because they had a choice of either converting or die. 90 % of Muslims would drop islam and become Christians if given a free choice.
Dear Amal,
According to your cognitive map, yours is a kind and generous offer.
According to mine, it’s completely misguided and irrelevant.
May you be blessed with a long and happy life, always in Dubai.
P.S. It’s good to know that, living as you do in the Middle East, where criminal insanity is endemic and millions of the afflicted remain at large in the general population, you will always have an abundance of clients for your benevolent work.
Dear Mayberry Lady
I am planning to visit America to make Dawah, (spread the word of Islam) you will recognize me as i will be wearing, Niqaab ( you can do a search on that one). I will happily meet with you to correct your misconceptions about the middle east and show you the statistic about crime in America, so that you can be better informed.
Oddly enough a large number of my clients are American.
I am blessed to be a Muslim and it is my duty as one to invite you to Islam, insha Allah it is not too late for you, Insha Allah
Dear Amal,
Who do you think you’re kidding here?
Americans know what you are and we aren’t buying.
Save your travel money and unctious tone for some other marks.
Over and OUT!
Make that …”unctUous…”
There! I’ve said it twice and I’m glad–’cause you are.
Outa’ here.
Amal,
You’re coming here? Come on down. We’ll wait.
Hey, Amal, f*ck islam. And f*ck the murdering, robbing warlord, Mohammed. And the camel he rode in on. Respect? What utter bullsh*t.
Everything I needed to know about pisslam I learned on 9/11.
I ask Allah to forgive you. I see you also only know how to respond in an uneducated and repulsive manner. I am saddened that you have so much hate in your heart, what a way to live and I am sure you must infect others. Try and control yourself and look within.
Amal, your taqiyya (lying for the sake of islam) is showing…
But Jesus died 4 your sins too. You only need to read the qran and see it’s vicious & murderous lies. Repent & ask Jesus to enter your heart & you will TRULY have eternal life…
Welcome to the USA…we roll this way.
Sorry to hear of your great misguided teachings. I agree that her language only takes away from her points. The swearing was offensive and because of it limits the outreach possible. Her points were valid, too bad she was more careful about her choice of words to say the same thing!
Here is the beauty of the Quran.
Qur’an 9:5 “After the sacred months have passed, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”
Want more??
Amal, I couldn’t agree with you more, but my comment wasn’t as kind as yours.
People all around the world debate the Bible, put in their own thoughts, ideas, etc…and they do the same for the Quaran.
I was blessed to meet an elderly gentlemen a couple years ago, walking every morning in the same direction I was driving. After a year, I was brave enough to stop and speak to him. A wonder Pakastani man and an unlikely friend…but we are. I’m 50, he’s 80. He’s shared his Quaran, not pushed it but shared it with my husband and I. A peaceful book, like the bible.
Common courtesy comes to mind when doiung something so blatent as to burn a book so meaningful to others..,,.Bible, Quaran, Book of Morman, etc.
Thank you for your kind comments~
Cynthia,
I’m sorry, but what was shared with you left out a few sections on pedophilia and the killing of non-believers. You do realize Mohammed wed a 8-9 year old girl and consumated (sp) that marriage around when she turned 10-11. You can love Muslims all you want, but until the “moderates” openly renounce the evil done in their religion then they’re no better. They’ve never gotten over the battle of Tours and never will.
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God bless Ann Barnhardt and keep her safe! All of us who love western civilization need to be willing to do what she says and does in these videos.
We do not have freedom of speech unless we have freedom to offend others, including the freedom to offend Muslims, Feminists, Socialists, Atheists and all assorted America-haters.
While I agree with the idea in spirit, I think this is all childish. Yes of course you are right, freedom of speech is paramount to Western society and the act of book burning (although I was also under the impression book burning was to be looked down upon in Western Society) is in no way comparable to mob violence that killed twenty people, but sticking bacon as bookmarks in Korans and picking out out of context quotations of the Koran (let’s have a single standard here, any passage in the Koran can be matched by the wrath of Yaweh in the OT) seems rather immature and quite frankly, stupid. I would have to say conservatives (of which I do not consider myself one, even if we find ourselves allied on causes like this) miss the opportunity to rally people together in defense of these principles by performing silly antics such as these. The issue at hand is freedom of speech and protest at ANY idea (a violent reaction to the burning of an American Flag would be equally as abhorrent would it not?) Defense of Western Civilization must come from a deep belief in the inherent importance and truth in OUR principles not simply out of derision and annoyance at other cultures and societies.
I might have gotten a bit carried away in my 10:20 AM post, but I still firmly support Ann Barnhardt. I don’t believe that everyone needs to go out and burn a Koran in order to defend the West–we of course should have the right not to do such an act. BUT, we all should be willing to vigorously defend Ann Barnhardt and Pastor Jones, along with, as Mark Steyn suggests, the bozos who burn American flags or put a cross in urine. There is nothing “stupid” about someone like Barnhardt passionately and for the most part eloquently taking a stand against Political Correctness, which as we have seen is not only anti-freedom but is also deadly in the case of Fort Hood. Barnhardt did not go the mealy-mouthed route that so many in our “Ruling Classes” take, and for that I heartily applaud her.
A serious problem today is that many people in the West, throughout the political spectrum, are much too complacent about our principles. And we are up against Muslims who value death more than life, and union thugs who are willing to be violent in more than just words. I believe that things are coming to a head regarding whether we preserve some sparks of freedom here and there in the West, or quickly go down a more totalitarian road.
The assorted principles that make up the best of Western Civilization were not implemented and defended passively, but through courageous actions and sometimes blood. As our Founders said, they risked their lives, fortunes and sacred honor–not just those who fought with Washington but also those who fought with the pen. We really need more people–intellectuals and otherwise–who are willing to take a strong stand like Barnhardt.
Very eloquently stated……..we must take a stand …….we have been complacent much too long.
Looks like “someone” needs a nap. “Someone” is showing their ass with all the crazy rantings (!!!!!!!!!!!!) If a point has to be made with these –> (!!!!!!!!!!!!!) you’re definitely not intelligent enough to do so and should probably not be on here. “Respectable people who respect other religions and other people”? Certainly you are kidding. So, a “God” (Allah), is going to persuade his “followers” via a book, to kill all “unbelievers” in him (infidels) by promising them (who currently live in a disgusting, dried up, 3rd-world, rotten hell hole) 72 virgins for dying in the name of Islam? I’m sorry but that really sounds so….umm, man-made. Was it just me or did anyone else wonder why if David Korish was our returning Christ that he wore huge, Coke bottle lensed glasses? Is it really that difficult to distinguish the Divine and the man-made? Here’s a sure-fire hint. If it proliferates and disseminates a political agenda or a religious ideology…it’s probably man-made. Just say’n… GR
Anne has not picked anything out of context. She is right in that there are a number of verses in the quran that spew hatred towards non muslims.
Using a bacon as a bookmark is to show the utter contempt one has towards this hate filled so called “holy” book in a manner that would be understood by those that follow this book.
Only a size two hat would consider the Koran in its venality to the Bible.
I personally may question aspects of the Bible, but the Koran and Islam is operating on the level of the Aztec Heart carving rituals and sacrifice to Baal of a Baby thrown in a Flame.
A War Lord and Paedophile called Mohammed compared to a Jesus. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.
Amen!
“Defense of Western Civilization must come from a deep belief in the inherent importance and truth in OUR principles not simply out of derision and annoyance at other cultures and societies.”
Amazing. You completely missed it.
She IS expressing “a deep belief in the inherent importance and truth in OUR principles”.
This is not the bonfire of the vanities, brains. It is political speech. Books are burned in the filming of some movies too, for the sake of the story and whatever point is being made. Do you think you can understand that?
“picking out out of context quotations of the Koran (let’s have a single standard here, any passage in the Koran can be matched by the wrath of Yaweh in the OT)”
You talk about “out of context”? You’ve taken something out of context already. The context you omit is that bad stuff written in the Koran is being practiced in some country EVERY DAY, in many cases with the full approval of the country’s government.
“Yaweh in the OT”
There’s that little uncomfortable qualifier that must follow every attempt to equivocate the Koran with the Bible.
Here’s a hint: In the Koran, *there is no “OT”*. Every word in the Koran is active!
Christians don’t need to offer blood sacrifices and follow leviticus. Muslim men *must beat their wives and spread Islam by the sword*.
See the difference??
Just a thought:
If Satan wrote a parody of Judaism/Christianity in order to fool people into worshipping him (instead of Him), what would the text look like? What kind of man would he choose to promote it? What kind of society would would that man and that text produce after, say, fourteen hundred years?
you got it, spot-on.
That has been my belief about the ideology of Islam. My belief is that Satan posessed Muhammed back in 600-something AD, and (according to what I read)was talked into believing by one of his wives that it was not Satan, but a god named Allah.
There’s simply no god that would, 1)Encourage believers to KILL people who don’t believe; 2) Encourage men to rape and genitally mutilate women; 3) Encourage the pedophilia of pubescent boys; 4)Encourage beheading, EXCEPT AN EVIL GOD CALLED SATAN WHO FOR 1400 YEARS HAS BEEN MASKING HIMSELF AS ALLAH.
“picking out out of context quotations of the Koran”
You obviously know nothing about the Koran and the Hadith. There’s nothing “out of context” about quoting the violent, imperialistic, intolerant message of the Koran.
You really should educate yourself before you try to lecture others.
“I think this is all childish.”
Sorry, you are the childish one, with your knee-jerk, thought-free cliches.
Here’s a little more “childishnes” for you:
“When the Mullah says he is the master faith,
We Inshallah-sbbbth! Inshallah-sbbbth! right in the Mullah’s face!”
Can you figure out the reference?
,I am in agreement with RightMindedMom,
I have often wondered what inspired Mohammad to be so violent. Either it was something quite evil, or the fella had emotional problems. No other prophet that I know of behaves like him. For those who are not aware, this is how old Mo came to prophethood:
Mohammad was in the habit of visiting a cave, named in the Koran as ‘the cave Hira.’ He would often go there alone. It was on one of these visits that he had an ‘experience’ shall we say. He rushes home and tells his wife that he has ‘seen a demon in the cave.’ He was quite clear that it was a demon he had encountered. He said it had grabbed him by the throat, tried to throttle him, and ordered him to read a book it offered him. Mohammad had replied that he couldn’t read, the entity responded by again throttling him and ordering him to read. Mohammad fled the cave in terror, when he got back to his wife, he was fitting and foaming at the mouth (signs of demon possession, or perhaps a form of epilepsy, who knows.) His wife, who already had said before that she ‘wished he would become a prophet of this nation,’ took full advantage of this opportunity. She made Mohammad sit on her thigh, and asked him if he could still see the entity, he replied ‘Yes.’ She then sat him upon her other thigh, and asked if he could still see it. Again the reply was in the affirmative. Then she exposed a certain female part of her anatomy, and asked him could he still see the entity. He replied ‘No.’ His wife then tells him that he has seen an angel, not a demon, and goes to the people and declares him a prophet. Ironic that woman in Islam, then and now, are treated not much better than cattle, yet the whole of this religion in based on the opinion of one.
If we look at Mohammad as a person, he was, to put it mildly, a bit of a scumbag. He would viciously slaughter those who did not agree with him, he was a womaniser, who would rape many women (his followers seem to think this is great,) and all the evidence points to him also being a paedophile.
There is an account of Mohammad seeing a friend’s baby daughter crawling around on the floor, and of him turning to his friend and telling him that when his daughter is old enough he will marry her. Bad enough for a man to think thusly of a baby. You would think that Mo would wait for the girl to reach adulthood before he marries her; he actually did so when she was 6 years old. His followers insist he did not consummate the marriage until she was 9 years old, as if this is acceptable. Personally, given his track record, I wouldn’t have put it past him to have slept with her before then.
My opinion is that Mohammad was a vile, hateful, violent and perverse man, who created a religion with the same faults and shortcomings as himself. Should Islam be allowed to take a proper hold, it will wipe out all other cultures and religions. Non-Muslims will be treated as tenth-class citizens, forced to pay the dhimmi (non-Muslim) taxes to the Islamic state they will be living in, with practically no legal rights. This has happened in the past to other nations taken over by Islam, and history tells us it will happen again.
If our over-bred girly-men would grow a pair our women wouldn’t have to.
As a man I could not agree with you more. Unfortunately the young men of today have been catrated by the liberal BS taught in schools from preK to graduate. Feminists are also to blame for this as they have also made men into women and women into men. A great feel good story of the year to me is thye story that Rosie Odonnels son loves war stories and books and most likely will join the military. That is justice and also proof. Men and women are in fact not the same. THANK GOD!!
Great post Joe and all those above re: the tragic condition of men in our society.
Only the most pathetic of fools does not realize beyond a shadow of a doubt that our complete annihilation is the sworn agenda of these barbarians, and that their probability of success is greatly advanced by folks like Donald and his fellow “moderates” on this issue.
That Mr. Pablum, aka Donald, would use the words “derision and ANNOYANCE,” —******ANNOYANCE***** for the love of God—in response to the outrageous catalog of bestial atrocities including rape, torture, beheading, pedophilia, genital mutilation, and saddest of all, the utter inability of a society to progress beyond primitivism in 1400 years, to which Ann Barnhardt has responded with utterly appropriate gut-wrenching revulsion and righteous anger, is simply pathognomonic of the willful blindness exemplified by him and his ilk.
Perhaps he and his fellow travelers should be reminded of Orwell’s line, that “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
I suspect Donald probably doesn’t know too many men like that, and that if he does happen to, they probably scare him to death. If he is extremely lucky, and I pray he (and all of us) will be, some of them may still be around some day when we need them, quite possibly right here in the USA, and that could make all the difference.
You have obviously not read the Koran. We are not talking about the actions of an angry and unknowable deity (which is supposedly the same for Christians and Muslims anyway). We are talking about the actions of the Muslim prophet. A man. A man who walked the earth and murdered, took slaves, stole and raped with regularity and he did all of these things as a means of spreading the religion he created. And yet hundreds of millions of savages on this planet consider him the perfect man whose every act is to be emulated.
Muslims attempt to cast the murderer’s veto over any criticism of the vile and loathsome creature they worship. Mohammed did the same, even ordering the death of a nursing mother for poems she had written against him and having 800 Jews who lived in his city beheaded for not taking him as their religious leader. I am an atheist but it is obvious that Christ lead a decent life whatever the sins committed by his putative father or his followers. You certainly won’t find him being lauded for any such vile acts as are common to Mohammed. There is no moral equivalency between Islam and the other major religions. It doesn’t make one fair minded or rational to pretend otherwise. It just shows one to be either ignorant or without any decency.
Muslims kill blasphemers because Islam commands it and Mohammed set the example. If you think you can appease such people or that they won’t gin up some other slight to justify the murder of infidels then you haven’t been paying much attention to the last 14 centuries or so.
The best thing we can do for Muslims is point all of this out and keep dragging them kicking and screaming out of the 7th century. They should be ridiculed constantly and they should be made to know how contemptible their actions and beliefs are and have been. Rev Jones had not only the right to act but he did the right thing… the needed thing.
But just remember if you take the view that Jones incited this then you can’t say boo the next time some hippie gets his brains stomped out for burning a flag and you can’t object if abortion clinics are preemptively closed so as not to provoke a bombing and you can’t object when a rapist says his victim brought it upon herself by dressing provocatively. In short you cannot yourself claim to be civilized.
Right on Polybius, I suspect you have endured at less part of the painfull reading of the loathsome Coran of the false prophet Mahomet.
Having established the evil of that book, next logical step would be to get rid of Islam once and for all. Luckily a precedent has been set in 1609 by The King of Spain Felipe III who turned back home 300 000 covert muslims in just 3 years amid a population of 10 millions of spaniards. These covert muslims were unfaithfull christian converts from Islam fomenting rebellion with the help of the King of France, proving there were no way to accomodate them on a peacefull basis.
You speak the truth and you speak it well. From one infidel to another, thanks.
Polybius, this is masterful. Thank you!
sticking bacon as bookmarks in Korans and picking out out of context quotations of the Koran (let’s have a single standard here, any passage in the Koran can be matched by the wrath of Yaweh in the OT) seems rather immature and quite frankly, stupid.
Well, in OUR oh-so-sophisticated culture, people are paid our own money, from our own community leaders, to display bottles of Christ-in-urine. You might at least admit that if anything, that’s even more immature and quite frankly, even stupider. The only reason you do not admit it is, that we do not form mobs and crucify those ‘community leaders’ and the ‘artist’ alongside.
Dude, you missed the point. Did you actually watch her video? She is slamming a United States Senator for telling US Citizens that he wants to take away our Constitutional Rights in deference to violent extremists on the other side of the globe. He wants to have the power to pick and choose which set of people have to follow whichever laws he deems are favorable at the moment. I will take this opportunity to offer you someone elses excellent post from a different forum:
Mal –
Terry Jones’s action has been the single most bracing and courageous act of rebellion against the suffocating, mindless liberalism that infects nearly every American mind. In one dramatic gesture Jones proves that Islam is not a “religion of peace.” In one clarifying act he has demonstrated the utter futility of our Islamic nation-building folly. He has shown how shaky is the house of cards built by liberals–so shaky that one obscure man can make the whole pile of lies tremble. One obscure man can make the entire U.S. command structure get down on their knees to Muslims to beg forgiveness. One obscure man can so alarm the President of the USA that he feels the need to denounce him publicly. It’s an enlightening sight to see. And all because one man has the courage of his conviction that Islam is of the devil, and that we are in great danger, and that it would be a good thing to try and warn us of that danger. And for that generous, decent, and courageous act, what thanks does he get? He has nearly the entire country–an entire country seemingly composed of idiots and mindless lemmings–all denouncing him, questioning his sanity, smearing him, pouring out a sewer of hate and malevolence on his head. The wretches. There is something Christlike in making such a sacrifice for such heartless and brainless ingrates.
Joe, thanks. Wow. That was powerful. In another blog elsewhere on the web I tried to articulate that what Terry Jones did was an effort to open our eyes. How we forget about Rushdie in absolute hiding for three decades, a man gunned down in Amsterdam, a Teddy Bear named Mohammed and the dire consequences for that English schoolteacher, Molly the satirist cartoonist who went into hiding exactly one year ago, and all the carnage because of Danish newspaper cartoon drawings. What upsidedown nonsensical world are we living in that anyone can defend islam? It is evil. Its adherents are Satan’s footsoldiers. And it is in North American now — in a islam for boys school near you, in a mosque near you. Try telling your dead granddaddy why you let evil islam come into his country, the one he fought for.
Thank you Joe and others here. Obviously many are doing a lot of serious thinking about islam, its daily evils deeds on our globe, and what we must do.
I write this in memory of Zack, the young Air Force ice hockey playing airman murdered in Frankfurt, Germany one month ago. The murderer? An islam beliver. R.I.P. Zack (you did not deserve that)
Wake up, America! Canada!?
Donald, your comments lead me to believe that you have never read the Koran. I actually tried to read it once, because I also believed that the things I was hearing must be taken out of context or exaggerated. They are not. The Koran is truly a violent, hatefilled, anger inciting book. And the people who follow the instructions in this book mean business…and they do not care if their sword falls on your neck or mine.
So true!
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2011/04/16/italian-peace-activist-found-hanged-on-gaza-strip-after-being-tortured-86908-23065124/
You might want to cry for a moment & then get really mad…
Pauline Kael on burning books
A woman who taught at Berkeley dropped in on me once and saw a book burning in the fireplace,” recalled Pauline Kael, in her skeptical film review of Ray Bradbury’s “Fahrenheit 451.” “She pointed at it in terror. I explained that it was a crummy ghost-written life of a movie star and that it was an act of sanitation to burn it rather then sending it out into the world which was already clogged with too many copies of it. But she said, ‘You shouldn’t burn books’ and began to cry.”
Help us out here. How do you set the context for families of people who have had their heads cut off?
You can’t take the koran out of contect. The whole thing (when Mo goes into his rage phase at the Jews rejection of him) is one big hate-fest against non-believers.
I say every one should burn the koran – and often! Desensitize them to it. Let them know the contempt we feel not just for their stupid book but for them as well.
“but sticking bacon as bookmarks in Korans and picking out out of context quotations of the Koran (let’s have a single standard here, any passage in the Koran can be matched by the wrath of Yaweh in the OT) seems rather immature and quite frankly, stupid.”
What is stupid is this comment. What context was lost here? The Koran has no narrative context. It’s simply Allah talking to Mohammad. The order of verses is not chronological, but simply from the longest to the shortest.
In contrast, the OT is a narrative. (Just like the entire Bible is.) It recounts a lot of wars and also has some commands that were for particular people, in a particular time and place, for a particular reason.
Show me where the OT or the Bible as a whole has any open-ended commands for Jewish or Christian believers to commit any violence against unbelievers.
I have lost track of how many times I have issued that challenge and have been left hanging. Why? Because such a thing does not exist.
Of course, if you had actually ever read either the OT or the Koran, you’d know all of this, and therefore wouldn’t be making this false comparison.
Apparently you hold no particular beliefs, except go along to get along. You must stand for something or you’ll fall for anything. As for book burning there is a context, weither or not it is totaliarian extremeism or the clear and obvious resistance to EVIL.
The difference between the Islamists who follow the Koran and Jews and Christians who follow the Bible is that from the verses Ann read, you see terrorists chopping off heads arms, legs, caning women, stoning women and putting women as 2nd class citizens for rape and abuse. You see “mercy killings” by family members of women or girls who do not want to live that life. You see genital mutilation of women held down by mothers and other family members They are not allowed to make a choice of their own beliefs in something other than islam if they were born to it and thus are often killed. Where do you see in the 20 or 21st centuries any Jew or CHristian treating anyone else in this way by following the Bible? You don’t. Ann was dead-on in her assessment of these radicals. Think about that before you compare the two.
Does this woman really imagine that Senator Lindsey Graham or any other member of congress would waste time listening to the vile garbage that this woman is spewing? The 1st Amendment gives one the right to free speech, but the 1st Amendment does not protect one from the consequences of his actions. I, for one, don’t want a dime of my taxpayer’s money going to either Barnhardt or Jones for protection or body guards if they start receiving death threats.
Ann Barnhardt doesn’t have the polish of Charles Krauthammer, David Brooks, Thomas Friedman or Eugene Robinson, but she also doesn’t have their cowardice and effeteness. Sometimes the truth hurts. If you don’t like what she says, I strongly suggest that you read the Koran and other Islamic writings that are widely accepted in the Islamic world. You might be shocked at their deep-seated violence and perversity, which is in no way similar to the Christian New Testament.
We in the United States have too long been led by cowards and ideologues in government and the intelligentsia who won’t face up to the nature and threat of Islam. I’m thankful that there still are some American citizens like Barnhardt who aren’t cowed yet by PC.
And if you’re concerned about your tax money going to defend Barnhardt or Jones, I think they’re pretty well capable of defending themselves, or at least going down fighting. There are still a few of us like that in Flyover Country. And I’m happy for my tax money to help defend someone like Barnhardt who isn’t afraid to express her opinion.
Brooks, Friedman and Robinson have polish ?
Who knew ?
“Whoever would overthrow the Liberty of a Nation, must begin by subduing
the Freeness of Speech; a Thing terrible to Publick Traytors…That Men
ought to speak well of their Governours is true, while their Governours
deserve to be well spoken of; but to do publick Mischief, without
hearing of it, is only the Prerogative and Felicity of Tyranny…Only the
wicked Governours of Men dread what is said of them…”~Benjamin Franklin
In Biblical days your quote from Benjamin Franklin would have qualified him as a prophet.
..and no one said anything and no one helped when they came for the neighbor. don’t expect any when they come for you.
it is exactly that which you say that gives a bit more power to the thugs.
@Virgil: Obviously you’re among those who have no cajones and couldn’t care less about freedom or protecting our way of life. I’d lay money on the fact that there are thousands who would step-up and come to Ann’s assistance if she so requested. It’s time to send these Muzzies packing. Obama included.
Wish I was still in Colorado. I’d consider it an honor to defend her.
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” – Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House on August 1, 1776.
“In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot.”
~Mark Twain
And what exactly is the “vile garbage” that is being spewed? Can you show us exactly what she has said that is factually wrong?
“Does this woman really imagine that Senator Lindsey Graham or any other member of congress would waste time listening to the vile garbage that this woman is spewing?”
Careful. That “filth” she’s “spewing” is the text of the Koran.
Any Islamist could have said that.
Virgil. Exercising free speech isn’t a crime. Threatening and/or trying to kill someone is a crime. Would you have us selectively enforce the law now? Certain grim detours notwithstanding, it doesn’t exist to massage sensitivities.
rgilbarco, that is why we have the 2nd amendment,jackass.
You need to read the comment you responded to in context. Most of it was quoting with the purpose of derision.
Ohhhh…I can think of a few Congresscritters who would, and would applaud; begining with Alan West. Do you have a problem with Alan West?
I dunno, maybe I do, maybe I don’t. Now, who the hell is Alan West and why am I supposed to prostrate myself before his glory? He sounds like a character on the old Batman television shows; why should I care about him?
No one is asking to prostrate yourself before anyone, though it is interesting–in light of the subject matter–that you’d use that imagery.
Allen West is a new GOP congressman from South Florida, a retired Army officer and an Iraq War veteran. He, also, has eloquently and fearlessly spoken of the true nature of Islam.
Congratulations, princess. You’re so clever.
I think “tasteless scrotalist” works a lot better.
The 1st Amendment gives one the right to free speech, but the 1st Amendment does not protect one from the consequences of his actions.
Wow, that sounds great! I’m going to go down to the local mall, take offense at something someone is wearing, and set the place on fire! He wanted to wear that stupid Yankees cap, let him bear the consequences of his actions!
Now, do you the non-sequitur there? Do you understand that the guy with the cap in my little hypothetical is not responsible for what I do? Do you understand why?
Do you see where this is going, or do I have to draw it out in crayon for you and put it on youtube?
With certain, clearly definable exceptions (like the usual “shouting fire in a crowded theater”), your moral responsibility ends where someone else’s free will begins.
If you don’t get this whompingly obvious fact, sit down and shut up, adults are talking.
some people’s kids, jeez…
I, for one, don’t want a dime of my taxpayer’s money going to either Barnhardt or Jones for protection or body guards if they start receiving death threats.
I, on the other hand, would gladly earmark my tax dollars specifically towards that purpose — at least that’s within the purview of a properly limited government, unlike most of where that money goes.
Whoa, i can’t believe you just said that!!! Mark my words, there will be killings in South America because of what you just said. The Husluits have been warning Americans for a long time now, and you had to go and say it. The death of dozens of South Americans will lie at your feet, you irresponsible disrepecter of other people’s religion. Curse you and all those like you! Here you are condemning Ann and the pastor, but you go and say what you just said. I can’t believe it. What a hypocrite you are.
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” – Voltaire (att.).
Oh, that’s right, Voltaire was French, wasn’t he? Definitely an un-American sentiment. By no means should we defend anyone who says something we don’t like. Kill them, it’s the Muslim way.
The vile garbage was in the Koran quotes she read out you mixed up idiot.
But no. You are just another Islamist.
Don’t worry. Ms. Barnhardt certainly appears QUITE capable of defending herself. If not, I can only assume there are now more than a few well-trained anonymous marksmen cleverly camouflaged wherever she goes to ensure her safe passage.
So you support everyone’s right to free speech so long as you are not inconvenienced by that right? Always good to know that the good Germans are still with us.
Make a deal with you – she can have my tax dollars and yours can go to f’ing planned parenthood. Wish I could control where mine go like that…:)
I, personally, LOVED the bacon. But I wouldn’t give the morons my address – likely they will come burn you out.
I, for one, don’t want a dime of my taxpayer’s money going to either Barnhardt or Jones for protection or body guards if they start receiving death threats.
Virgil, you apparently didn’t watch both videos in their entirety. At the end of the second video, she states her complete street address and invites – defies! – Senator Graham and/or any Muslims offended by her words to come get her.
If you go to her website, http://barnhardt.biz/, you’ll see that she is apparently a strong believer in the Second Amendment and owns a (pink!) rifle, a shotgun, and a semi-automatic pistol. It appears that she is quite prepared to use them in defence of her freedom of speech.
I don’t think she has any intention of asking you for tax money to pay for her protection.
This video is not vile. People such as you are what is vile and offensive for defending a religion that supports unspeakable violence, sexual abuse, rape and pedophilia. Now go crawl back under your rock.
Virgil,
I would take Ann Barnhardt’s razor-sharp intellect and raw courage over polish and sophistication any day of the week.
And BTW, you couldn’t put a patch on her you-know-what the best day you ever live….and then some!
Well, I must hope so because I personally emailed him a copy–at least one of his aides will see it (and hopefully share it with his buddies.)
The vile garbage being spewed came from the mouth of Miss Lindsey.
Why wouldn’t Sen Graham watch her. She commented on his watching and condemning Rev Jones doing the same thing.
Although located cross the pond, I will break the legs of any muslim who dare touch just one of her hair.
to number 4 :
The Coran to match the Bible, really ? In case of doubt, juge the tree by its fruit, says the NT.
Well said, galafron. There is a strident moral relativism at work lately which tries to equate all of the “Abrahamic religions,” but as you point out, the fruits of Christ are very different from the fruits of the pedophile and murderer Mohammed. There is an important principle in Islam, accepted widely by Islamic clerics, of the principle of abrogation. This means that many of Mohammed’s sweeter comments are abrogated by his later, more violent directives. And clearly the principles of world-wide Jihad and the severe subjugation of women and non-Muslims are core principles of mainstream Islam. Very different from the principles of Christianity, which encouraged individual freedom and dignity for all.
Egil, Mahomet always reminds me of St John’s Apocalypsis: 666, the number of the beast thus the number of the Antechrist, is the sum of the year of Christ’ death , 34 and the year of Mahomet’s death, 632.
Christian Science or hazard, rather strange in any case. When Ann Barnhardt , whose rant baffles at any rate, speaks of evil, at less there is ground to sustain it, either from the Coran and the Bible.
Yeah, Galafron!!
Thank heaven not all you Brits gave up on us after the unforgivably insulting return of the Churchill bust
Donald H. is way out of line. Ann is not deriding or annoyed at other “cultures and societies.” She is specifically targeting the Koran, the foundation of Sharia law.
And she was not exactly taking passages out of context. She was citing the passages so anyone could easily look them up and read the full passage for themselves.
I think this video will inspire hundres, even thousands of copycats. I am going to make one myself, and burn my own Koran.
Ann, you rock!
Well, if everyone burns a Koran,they can’t go after everyone, can they? It would be much more useful though, if people were made aware of just what is in this “Holy Book” which seems more inspired by Moloch than by God. Forward Barnhardt’s video to your frinds and let people know just how “Holy” this rubbish is. We cannot have a sound policy toward Islam if we don’t know what it is. Maybe we could even force our cowardly political class to man up, or better yet replace it.
It would be much more useful though, if people were made aware of just what is in this “Holy Book” which seems more inspired by Moloch than by God.
If you ever meet Ann Barnhardt, I would strongly recommend that you don’t refer to the Koran as “Holy”
She has another powerful statement against this practice on her website. To hear it, go to her website – http://barnhardt.biz/ – and scroll down to the post entitled “Housekeeping and Great Link” dated March 23, 2011. (Or, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRTLT8MKz5w&feature=player_embedded#at=157)
I vote, “replace it.”
Ann is standing up for the right to free speech. She is not saying you need to support Jones ..but support his rights.
in doing that she is supporting your rights and those of every other American. Graham and Petraeus are abandoning them
Ann is standing up for the right to free speech. She is not saying you need to support Jones ..but support his rights.
“Those who seek to destroy a right, first go after that right’s least attractive practitioners.” — Ayn Rand
What a splendid quote, Seerak! Right on and thanks for sharing it.
You go girl. Every true American stands with you.
I’m not really nuts about people who burn books but the fact that it is aimed squarely at Graham and is an internal American argument puts it on a different level for me than with Jones. Challenging fanatics overseas and challenging a sitting American Senator are 2 different things; Graham should be asked to resign because of sheer incompetence.
I hope Eric Holder takes aim at this woman and I would have been happy to see the video also directed at him as the top law official in the land to further expose him as the incompetent racist that he is.
I am glad to see someone who is as angry as I am because Americans who talk of Islamophobia are taking naps while awake and blaming victims for the actions of people who are insane. This cult of cultural relativism in America today is arguably the single most dangerous threat to our way of life that exists; certainly having 90% or our immigrants in the last 10 years coming from Third World countries backs this up.
Even those old WW II propaganda posters are considered racist today but its hard to get up the will to fight for ones survival when one is simultaneously wanting to have a Norman Rockwell painting of men in hardhats having a friendly chat while wiring up explosives to giant Buddhist statues in Afghanistan with tanks in the background waiting to blast the rubble into smaller pieces while kids skip rope and laugh with the tankmen who are smoking corncob pipes.
Slap an old Heinz 57 logo on it and we might actually invite them to America to become teachers or something really nuts like that.
Are Korans being burnt in an attempt to exterminate the ideas expressed within it, or to protest those ideas and their implementation?
Do you understand the difference between the acts?
No, I don’t understand anything – only you do.
1. She is a follower of Jones, if you pay attention.
2. Her rant was aimed, not just at the senator, but at Mohammedans as well.
And I don’t know how to pay attention either…
I agree with your point #2.
But regarding point #1, she is a supporter of Jones, not a follower of his. If you’ll go read her interview at the link Roger provides http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=69662 below the second embedded video, you’ll see that she is a Catholic. Pastor Jones quite likely thinks Catholics go to hell, if he is like many such pastors I’ve heard before. That makes me admire her even more.
It’s high time people stood up to the Islamofascists, so Bravo Ann! Burn that thang. And it’s high time people stopped pussyfooting around with their “political correctness”. It is SO politically INcorrect to go down with a ship that we ourselves drilled the leak in. God Bless the Constitution of the United States of America, and God Bless Ann Barnhardt!
Oh, and to people who say Well in the OldTestament the Israelites slaughtered and wiped out people, and the Christians did too in the Crusades, etc., etc., HelOH-OH! It’s the 21st century now, and nobody acts like that in the modern age. Oh, except Islamofascists, who are perfectly fine with living in the 7th century.
The distinction however, is that any explicit textual justification for holy war is absent in the New Testament of the Bible. The justification of war was essentially a rational political decision that demanded doctrines be formed to clarify what was a ‘just’ war.
In contrast, violent and coercive holy war against unbelievers, or jihad, is not just a fundamental tenet of Islam–it is its defining characteristic. For Islam to move out of the 7th century, it would have to stop being Islam, as a faithful interpretation of the Koran demands this type of behavior.
This is why calls for a “Reformation” of Islam are so misguided. Martin Luther’s reformation was based upon what he believed to be a more faithful account of the scriptures in contrast to the political edicts issued from Rome. An Islamic Reformation that was more faithful to the Koran would result in barbarism.
Thank you; Thank you; Thank You — God bless her!
It is the duty of the protectors of the Constitution of the United States to explain that document to any and all comers. It is the duty of the President of the United States, Barack Obama, to explain to the world at this crucial juncture in history that no American can be obliged to show respect for Islam or any other religion. The president must explain that Muslims who live in America, intend to live in America, or interact with any agency of the US government must understand that Islam will be treated in the very same way as all other religions in the United States: it will receive no respect at all. We are a secular society. Individuals may choose to practice a religion. But they have a duty to refrain from demanding respect for their religion from all others.
Hear ye Hear ye! Someone get this man a visit with the President! It is amazing how clear your words are, yet how impossibly far from them our sitting President is…
I believe BO was quoted as saying that the muezzin’s call to prayer is one of the most beautiful sounds in the world… or something to that effect.
Well said…
There is a well known phrase, attributed to Heinrich Heine: “… where they burn books, they will ultimately burn people also.”
That said, burning a Koran shows an act of bravery and defiance against those criminals who are quick and ready to use Western’s tried and true principles of freedom of speech, thought and expression to undermine those very same principles.
The Koran is but the (somewhat outdated by a few centuries) constitution of a misogynistic, prejudiced and criminal totalitarian ideology disguised as a religion that diminishes, deprives and degrades the few hundreds of millions of misguided people who follow it blindly and sheepishly. It’s basically at the same intelectual level as Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, with some extra clauses here and there on the life of a pedophile thief and murderer who nobody would want as a raw model for their children, unless you happen to be a mental cripple.
So while burning a book, as filthy as that book may be, is not the greatest of ideas, the act in itself should send a clear signal to the world’s muslim animals that either they start getting their act together and coming to terms with the fact that their beliefs are no more and no less on the same level as anybody else’s beliefs, or else their discriminatory, barbaric and violent ideology will have to be expunged from the civilized world. Just like Nazism was expunged from the world when its ugliness sank the world into one of the most terrible human-caused disasters it has ever known.
I gather you haven’t heard of World War II, the Stevens Act (which has never been repealed thought parts have been declared Unconstitutional), and the Office of Censorship. If we were in WWII, Jones would have already been arrested for endangering our troops.
Just because something is “Constitutional” is no sign it is moral or ethical. What Jones did was immoral, unethical, and has cost people their lives. He KNEW exactly what he was doing and what the results would be, but persisted. To me, that is not about freedom of speech, but pre-meditated murder. But, once again, the libertarian right goes into hyperdrive to destroy Lindsey.
The libertarian far right doesn’t know much about history. If this were WWII or the Korean War, Jones would have been arrested or stopped from doing what he did because it hurts our war effort and also endangers our relationship with moderate Muslims. Anyone who says there are no moderate Muslims is lying.
I find it rather amazing that a twit can denigrate a good an honorable patriot like Lindsey and be venerated. It shows how pathetic our culture has become, lacking in morals and ethics. Terry Jones may not have broken the law, but what he did was horribly unethical. To defend his lack of ethics is like a Rorschach Test for the far right and an increasingly extreme view which no longer allows the exercise of free speech. Yes, this is ironic since people like Barnhardt are quick to defend an evil action of a pathetic little jerk as free speech, but want to silence an honorable man like Lindsey Graham who is trying to protect our troops in the field.
During the Cold War, people like Barnhardt and Jones were knowns as “Dupes” for the enemy.
SJR
The Pink Flamingo
No, but it does mean the government can’t punish people for it.
And no, Jones didn’t put anybody in danger. The rioters put them in danger. They alone are responsible for how they reacted to an act that they did not see but only heard about.
Anyone who can be provoked into a murderous rampage by something they see on the news should not be excused by people who know better. Anyone who would excuse such behavior is little better than the rioters themselves. I burn a Koran in your general direction.
While I agree with you that you can’t excuse the rioting group, there is also some fault with Jones. The example of shouting “FIRE” in a crowded theatre comes to mind. He exercised his First Amendment right to burn the Koran without regard to the responsibilty of his actions. He knew somewhere in the world, people would react. They did, and people died. Innocent people. His actions were calculated. He shouted FIRE and people got trampled.
The “fire in a crowded theater” example is preposterously inapplicable to Terry Jones. Jeebus, if you’re going to come up with such an argument, at least use one that’s a bit closer to the target, like “fighting words” or “inciting a crowd”.
Fortunately, I can refute all of those. These exceptions to freedom of speech find their origins in the fact that they are all calculated to pre-empt the chance for reasoned thought on the part of the victims.
In a crowded theater, you don’t have much time to think if there’s a fire — and crowds by their nature tend to be prone to panics. It’s easy to understand why; you can’t see very far in a crowd, and if all of a sudden you see other people freak out and start trying to move away from something, you don’t know what it is, it could be bad enough and fast enough to be extremely imminent, and who has time to second-guess when you’re about to get run over? Shouting “fire” in a crowded theater is therefore a deliberate misrepresentation with direct consequences (as opposed to the hypothetical Yankess cap “inducement” example I raised elsewhere in this thread), and as such is a sort of injurious fraud. Freedom of speech as a principle simply does not apply to such examples, and doesn’t apply in other cases of fraud (e.g. false advertising) for the same reasons.
The same idea applies for crowd incitement, except there the emotion is not fear, but anger.
I’m a bit less certain about the reasoning behind the “fighting words” standard, or even whether it still holds legal force today; of the three exceptions, this one seems the most plausibly applicable to Jones. I’m inclined to say that it doesn’t apply simply because Jones is not in immediate proximity to the rioters, unlike the usual “fighting words” example of someone in close quarters saying something that sets off another person.
So, if you want to be seen as clueful on this topic, I suggest that you learn about the nature of principles, in particular freedom of speech, and understand that their limits are not defined by “conflicting interests” or mere social convention, but from the boundaries of their own context.
“Offending someone” is not grounds for suspending First Amendment rights; on the contrary, freedom of speech exists precisely to protect and sanction a man’s freedom to say things that others may not like.
The “FIRE” in a theater example is a horrible example. By claiming that as our model of behaviour, you are handing the power to whoever happens to be the most violent extremist religion. You suggest that we respect the most violent religion, but we trample on the peaceful religions. Is that actually your intention? If we bow down to them, they will leave us alone? How will you feel when they are living next door to you and they kill their daughter for having pre-marital sex? Will you look the other way at that too, because we should respect their religion? It is a slippery slope all the way to your own doorstop, when eventually YOU have to follow all of their rules, or die.
I’m getting tired of people trotting out this lame “shouting FIRE in a movie theatre” comparison. Come on people! Get on your game! If you must make some comparison of Koran burning to unprotected speech, at least use a better analogy. The proper comparison is “fighting words”, which is another form of speech unprotected by the first amendment. (Shouting FIRE in a movie theatre is more like what the global warming alarmists engage in.)
Of course, Jones’ Koran burning does not meet the legal definition of fighting words, so the argument against him is still lacking.
It is *instinctive* for human beings to fear and to flee from fire–we can’t help ourselves; that’s why those who yell ‘fire’ under crowded conditions *when there is no fire* are exempt from First Amendment protection.
Using the fire-in-crowd analogy for Koran-burning and the response, what you’re saying is that it is *instinctive* for Muslims to behead those who burn their book–that they can’t help themselves, that they have less self-control than others. It follows from that notion that you think that Muslims are inferior. Do you think that?
If you don’t, then the fire analogy does not hold up logically.
If you burn the Koran in a crowed theater, you should yell “Fire!”
According to General Petraeus our troops lives were endangered because of these actions
Petraeus is a politician not a soldier.
he is the one doing the endangering. he should be replaced with some one with a spine.
Right-on, General. Or failing that, how making him go out on patrols with the grunts, and survive under the psychotic rules of engagement for which he is largely responsible?
Great piece in the WSJ by Dorothy Rabinowitz (I just love reading her–always so sensible!!) took him to task (royally) for it. I am so glad the women are standing up against this stuff. Maybe it is not a surprise. It is the women, after all, who stand to be turned into chattel if Sharia is ever legitimized.
That is an interesting angle. Under sharia law, our women would be considered much less than chattel. They would be considered subhuman, deserving to be stomped at will. So a few of them are speaking loudly against all of it.
Still, it is hard to explain why women seem to be ahead of the men on this.
a good an honorable patriot like Lindsey
Coming from a guy who calls himself “The Pink Flamingo” (nudge nudge, wink wink) this bizarre opinion almost makes a certain sense!
I consider Ann Barnhardt to be the good and honorable patriot in this case.
What tripe by Reidhead – Graham is only an honorable man to a liberal. I know one this about this Muslim business, is that they will NEVER subjugate real American women….
No one wants to censor Graham. In fact, we’re glad he showed his true self before having the chance to do real harm in a position of higher responsibility than the Senate. Now we know that he needs to be elected out of office, so that he can fellate Islam in the capacity of a private citizen. Just like you do, pussy.
Funny how Leftists and Statists (Graham) and media-remoras who circulate that line of thought are all worried about inciting violence from people who believe in America and liberty, but turn a blind eye to the signs, pronouncements and outright threats from Union thugs (as in Wisconsin).
Just more proof that they really are Communists: All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal [entitled] than others.
Bullshit. The World War II proscriptions were about giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with mocking and insulting the enemy. If your standards were in effect in WWII, Walt Disney and Spike Jones would have both been imprisoned.
If an American citizen exercising his First Amendment rights puts our troops in harm’s way, then the Rules of Engagement need to be changed. Our troops are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves–if they are allowed to.
4,400 American lives were sacrificed in Iraq, without Terry Brown and/or Ann Barnhardt. Close to 3,000 American lives were sacrificed in New York and Washington D.C., without Terry Brown and/or Ann Barnhardt. The common denominator in these two war scenarios, as well as in Afghanistan (1450 American casualties), or in the Marine barracks in Lebanon (1983, 241 American casualties) or in the battle of Mogadishu in Somalia (1993, 18 American casualties) or in Operation Desert Storm in Kuwait (1991, 250 coalition casualties), or in the Fort Hood shooting (2009, 13 American casualties) is ISLAM. There were no Terry Browns back then and there, but there was Islam.
You are right. The US political and military power should strike in full force against the clear and present danger represented by the likes of Terry Jones. Never mind the Taliban, the Iraqi militias, Al Quaeda, the thousands upon thousands of roadside IED’s. Never mind the suicide bombers, the Fort Hood assasin, Mohammed Atta, the Ayatollah Khomeini. As you very wisely indicate, the problem IS Terry Brown.
That’s why a nobody like Hussein Obama was elected President of the U.S. With people thinking the way you do, no wonder the political environment becomes rarified and polluted up to the point of having a proto-muslim invading the White House.
4,400 American lives were sacrificed in Iraq, without Terry Brown and/or Ann Barnhardt.
You mean Terry Jones, not Terry Brown.
Terry Jones is the pastor who held a mock trial for the Koran and then (allegedly) burned it. I say allegedly because I have only heard that he burned it but have not seen any video of that act.
So in other words, Terry Jones knew that the crazy Muzzies would kill people because of this right? Sounds like he hit the nail on the head then, doesn’t it? His burning a book can incite lunatics to kill proves that they are barbarians that deserve no respect nor quarter.
Jones’ action would not have led to violence if Muslims were not, at root, insecure about their religion and their “god” and believed that Allah (Satan) is unable to defend himself from those mean, mean h8ers who don’t worship him.
Because we all remember the horrible riots and deaths that followed Mapplethorpe’s crucifix in urine, don’t we?
In reply to Reidhead/Flamingo/Whatever: your “historical” strawman arguments and chest thumping don’t work. As Miss Barnhardt clearly stated, Americans were not penalized during World War II for denigrating the Nazis, Japanese or Italian enemies, no matter how much such denigration might have inflamed the enemy. We were a lot less PC and a lot more sturdy and tough back then. By your reasoning and your characterization of Miss Barnhardt, a World War II-era American should have been hauled off to the poky for spitting on Mein Kampf, or doing anything that Adolf, Hideki or Benito would strongly object to. Pastor Jones, whatever he might have guessed would have been the results of his Koran-burning, has zero responsibility for the recent murders in the Middle East. To pretend otherwise is to absolve the real killers of responsibility, and is to broadcast to those killers, “you’re right, we were oh-so insensitive–we’re so sorry, come and kill any of us who strongly disagree with you.” That is already the message they get from the likes of Graham, Obama, Reid, Petraeus, etc.
I don’t care if Lindsey Graham single-handedly killed 50 raving, armed enemies of the USA with a pocketknife during his military service–he is still talking and acting like an idiot who does not understand or appreciate our Constitution and our heritage. Its time that Americans stopped giving any respect to these blowhards in our government, no matter how many years they were in the military or other “public service.”
We are in a war against Muslims who hate our freedoms. We could abandon Israel, pull all of our troops out of the Middle East, make more apology speeches in Cairo and otherwise cringe in the best dhimmi style, but millions of Muslims would still hate the USA for its basic principles, and they would still want to either convert us all or cut our throats. And that’s what they are told to do by the Koran which some so many of our elites are so afraid to criticize.
During World War Two, if denigrating the enemy had interfered with the war effort or endangered our troops you better believe something would have been done about it. People like Barnhardt doesn’t care if the lives of our troops are in danger. She’s not facing the bullets. My kids are out there fighting that war. Evidently she believes that the lives of my kids are expendible. But my kids’ lives are too precious to me to be endangered by an unbalanced, egotistical woman, who only wants to pull a cheap publicity stunt. She’s not a patriot. She is an unspeakable coward!
Hey Virgil, you obviously didn’t watch or pay attention to Ann Barnhardt. She puts herself on the line, complete with home address. In this day and age that’s certainly putting herself in harm’s way. She’s got more courage than most people inside the DC Beltway, and she’s a frickin’ civilian lady. Too bad General Petraeus has taken the Politically Correct route–he should know better.
You’re not giving the World War II generation nearly enough credit. Most people then would have had no qualms about doing what Miss Barnhardt is doing today, in this kind of war that we’re facing with Islam. Unlike our current “elites,” most people then knew that we shouldn’t kowtow to the enemy, let them tell us what we can and can’t say, and pussy-foot around in fighting back. Its a cliche by now, but if we can’t speak our mind like Barnhardt did, then the terrorists really have won.
The problem today is that our “betters” have instilled a dhimmi culture which people like Barnhardt are trying to overturn. And you can’t overturn it by acting like a metrosexual. I know that many of our troops today are whole-heartedly behind what Barnhardt and Pastor Jones are doing.
Virgil said “She is an unspeakable coward!”
Thank you to your children for their service, but What??? Ann is the coward?
In a world where Islamofascists routinely murder people for lesser offenses, and where numerous people have to live under armed guard for fear that some crazy middle eastern bastard will attempt to kill them, Ann has not only spoken out, she gave her home address out to the world.
I am willing to bet that you dont have the courage to reveal your name and address on this forum, much less to openly taunt a billion whacked out Mohammedans to come get you.
The real coward here is you, who hides behind the anonimity of the internet “handle” to throw insults at a woman who has voluntarily put herself in harm’s way.
An unspeakable coward who gave her full address and invited people to come for her.
Our men and women in uniform take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. We’ve asked the ultimate sacrifice from these fine American’s in a lot of nasty places over a lot of nasty causes, many of them in the nation’s interest but not always directly threatening our way of life. In this instance there is a strong nexus – a large group of people who wish to visit violence on us because of our Constitutional freedoms. If our military is not here to defend those freedoms then what are we here for?
VIRGIL.YOUR KIDS ARE NOT FIGHTING A WAR.THE WAR ENDED WHEN AMERICAN TROOPS REACHED KABUL AND KANDAHAR. IT TOOK ABOUT 8 WEEKS.WHAT GOES ON NOW I CALL A ARMED URBAN RENEWAL. I HAVE A FRIEND IN KANDAHAR AND HE IS A SEABEE.NAVY RESERVE. THEY BUILD THINGS. WHAT KIND OF WAR IS IT? ITS A JOBS PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE IN THINK TANKS , DIPLOMATS , THE LIKES OF HILARY CLINTON AND ARMCHAIR COLONELS IN PENTAGON WHO GET PROMOTED TO ARRMCHAIR GENERALS.AND NOW THE JACKASSES TELL US THAT TO SUPPOSEDLY BRING FREEDOM TO AFGANS WE MUST GIVE UP OUR VERY FIRST AMENDMENT. GOOD LUCK TO YOUR KIDS.
If we were in WWII, we would fight our enemies to the death, using all means necessary, including nuclear fission (or fusion, as needed), with the understanding that we were facing an existential threat to our civilization.
Until such obtains, don’t ask for obscure laws permitting censorship to be enforced for the purpose of making our enemies comfortable.
“Yes, this is ironic since people like Barnhardt are quick to defend an evil action of a pathetic little jerk as free speech, but want to silence an honorable man like Lindsey Graham who is trying to protect our troops in the field.”
Typical liberal spin, but major fail. Barnhardt has not tried to silence anyone. She pointed out that the jackbooted little fascist pig Graham wants to do so and would if he had an opportunity. And your understanding of constitutional law is, well let us say, lacking in anything but infantilism.
Yes, yes, yes.
I won’t even pull apart the historical and legal inaccuracies in Reidhead’s post because it would take too long. The whole post comes across, as you correctly labeled it, as an infantile column one would find in an American college newspaper, bereft of fact or logic and heavy on distortions of both and even heavier on emotion. Given the number of people here who have dispatched and demolished the distorted World War II “facts,” I won’t go into them much other than to say Pastor Jones would have been seen as compliant with the laws imposed at that time and Sen. Graham would have been viewed as a traitor. As a subscriber to free speech, I think even a spastic idiot such as Graham has the right to make an ass out of himself, by the way. The sad thing is he and Majority Leader Reid personify the intellectual lightweights who compose the modern Senate, just as the celebrity airhead Obama personifies what the–again–infantile electorate considers an intelligent, competent politician. We may have more to fear from the likes of Reid, Obama, and Graham than we do from al-Qaeda when all is said and done.
You have it backwards. As Ann said clearly in the video, during WW2, even Looney Tunes were showing how stupid the enemy was. Isn’t that all this preacher did? Show how nuts they are over the burning of a book that may or may not have been their “holy book”? Aiding and abetting is what the Senator did when he STOOD UP for them. “Oh, look, mr. pastor, now you’ve done it, you made them upset. Now apologize to them and let’s end this matter.” Are you really defending the killing and rioting performed by the muslim supporters? Are you actually blaming THEIR behavior on one lone pastor in Florida? You should have your head checked. But before you do, check out what MAL said in another forum: Mal
Terry Jones’s action has been the single most bracing and courageous act of rebellion against the suffocating, mindless liberalism that infects nearly every American mind. In one dramatic gesture Jones proves that Islam is not a “religion of peace.” In one clarifying act he has demonstrated the utter futility of our Islamic nation-building folly. He has shown how shaky is the house of cards built by liberals–so shaky that one obscure man can make the whole pile of lies tremble. One obscure man can make the entire U.S. command structure get down on their knees to Muslims to beg forgiveness. One obscure man can so alarm the President of the USA that he feels the need to denounce him publicly. It’s an enlightening sight to see. And all because one man has the courage of his conviction that Islam is of the devil, and that we are in great danger, and that it would be a good thing to try and warn us of that danger. And for that generous, decent, and courageous act, what thanks does he get? He has nearly the entire country–an entire country seemingly composed of idiots and mindless lemmings–all denouncing him, questioning his sanity, smearing him, pouring out a sewer of hate and malevolence on his head. The wretches. There is something Christlike in making such a sacrifice for such heartless and brainless ingrates.
Beautifully said.
I think you should go back and re-read the history of censorship in WWII.
Denigrating the enemy was certainly not an arrestable offense, giving aid and confort to the enemy was.
you are the apologist here.
hope you enjoy your burka.
Of all the left-wing and neo-conservatives condemnations of Pastor Jones I have heard or read, this is the most profoundly ignorant. Even the execrable comments of Graham and Reid, as divorced from law and reality as they were, weren’t this stupid. I truly hope this is just an ill-informed, brainwashed college kid who got a second-rate education and not typical of contemporary liberals.
Here’s a newsflash, Mr. Pink or whatever. If World War II laws were in effect, every mosque in the United States would be shuttered, Muslim-Americans would be in detention camps, and Sens. Reid and Graham very well might be in front of military tribunals awaiting trial and possible execution. Pastor Jones, of course, would be feted at the White House. While I certainly support heavy federal infiltration of mosques and terror-affiliated groups like CAIR, I don’t want to go back to the bad old days, either. I guess having at least of modicum of knowledge informs me to what that would actually entail.
There’s only one Dupe here and I’m afraid it’s you. You also have the concepts of prohibited actions in war time completely backwards. If you have any sort of formal education for which you actually paid folding money, I urge you to sue for a tuition rebate. Then take the money and use it to move to someplace like France, Germany, the UK, or the Middle East, where you’ll doubtless find the climate of tolerance toward these cutthroats superior to the sentiments being expressed here about these people and the circumscription of our rights caused by their presence among us. And while you’re at it, how about taking our Muslim-in-Chief and the horse he rode in on with you? Life is short, why not live your dreams?
There’s a lot of things I think shouldn’t be burned: books, flags, my dinner…
Murderous rampages are a little higher on my “don’t like” list though.
SJR.
I recall as a child watching a television station showing old movies. Laurel and Hardy had retired, iirc, prior to WW II. They came back to do a few films, some of which ridiculed Hitler and the Nazis.
So did Charlie Chaplin.
Were they arrested? My history books haven’t mentioned it.
Of course there are moderate Muslims. They all have invisibility cloaks. They were out protesting the beheadings but we couldn’t see them. Gee. Where have you been?
Ann, I hope this doesn’t qualify as evil too…
…but damn, girl, you have got to be the sexiest woman I have seen in my life. Looks like that and that courage. Most of the evangelical Christian woman I’ve met have been shrinking violets. Not this one.
Actually, Ken, Ann is a Roman Catholic, and a convert at that, who shot like an arrow to the real deal, the Tridentine Mass, and God bless her for it! (I believe she refers to the Church Militant in these videos or other of her writings—a concept from the old days that could surely do with some dusting off just now.) And as converts often do, IMHO she represents all that is best in the RCC, including the fact that a shrinking violet is absolutely the last thing the Catholic faith produces in women who actually dare to live up to it.
Non-Catholics do not know this, but she is doing exactly what a practicing Catholic is supposed to do; man or woman. Needless to say, most aren’t doing it.
Non-Catholics also would not know that if Catholics actually practiced their faith, the county would change overnight.
For the better. For every American.
Exactly right, John2!
I think I’m in love! Way to tell it like it is, Ann Barnhardt!
I salute Ann Barnhardt for her guts and willingness to stand for her principles. I am not so courageous, but then again I have no clue how to handle a weapon, so I hope she can forgive me
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The laughably tiny percentage of our tax dollars that goes to protecting people like her is money well spent.
I thought she did her Koran burning with intelligence and imaginative flair. Her videos took courage, creativity and time to research, and I admire all of those things.
I support her in the principle that when we lose freedom of speech here – and we are dangerously close in many respects – we have lost the true meaning of America.
Oh, I will admit, she could have sworn less, or been less strident while still making her point. I could tell her that if you don’t repeatedly call people a jack[rear sector of your body] you would look a lot smarter and more polished. But her sincerity is not in doubt, and – I repeat myself – her courage was impressive.
I hope she can make a political career out of it, or at least a pundit career, if she wants it. She has the flair we need.
D
You seem to be misinformed as to the definition of the word “jackass.” It has nothing to do with any human body part; rather, it refers to an animal used as a beast of burden and characterized by a thick head and an obnoxious bray. Calling a person a jackass is certainly salty language, but it is not swearing. Sometimes it’s the only word that will do.
“Well, if everyone burns a Koran,they can’t go after everyone, can they?”
renmimbi nails it. Frankly, those homicidal barbarian idiots over in Afghanistan just offered up every Koran in the civilized world as a hostage to fortune. They’ve got a big, honking button they put on display and it’s just begging to be pushed, hard and often. You don’t even have to be able to draw. We can send our enemies into a teeth-gnashing, hair-pulling frenzy with nothing but a webcam from the comfort of our backyard barbecues.
And as far as the ‘eeek, they might get mad at our troops’ argument goes, please. Get real. Anybody so unstable as to pitch a homicidal hissyfit over a book being burned on the other side of the planet is a ‘friend’ we can do without. Just makes it easier to tell the goats from the sheep.
How is what Jones did unethical? Who paid for that book? Did he go into the local public library to burn their copy?
My understanding is that he bought a copy for the express purpose of burning it. When he bought it, the person who sold it to him took their hand off it. If they don’t want him to have control of it, they should not sell it, or they should remove it from the “for sale” bin.
The horrible thing about Muslims murdering is not that they hold themselves to what ever standard they have, but they claim the right to own others, to set rules for those who do not believe. Coercion, extending to you, the unbeliever, your property, your life, your beliefs is the offensive part about their pretended religion.
Does Allah agree with them using coercion? Did Allah coerce them, or did they accept their faith by their freewill? If they were coerced, then they have no faith, and they are thus infidel. If they have faith, then they were not coerced by Allah and thus Allah does not agree with coercion of others. Their coercion of others is thus contrary to the will of Allah.
So thus, at the core of Islam is a logical inconsistancy. Bad religion, and bad history kill as certainly, and in modern times, more frequently than bad water, bad food, or bad medicine.
I have burned books, books I owned, books that I didn’t want in my house, books that I felt deserved burning. If I buy a book and want to burn it, who is to say I may not do that?
You absolutely have the right to do this. You also have the right to shout “FIRE” in a crowded theatre. In both cases, you must also be prepared to face the consequences for exercising your freedom of speech. Innocent people may be hurt or killed, including innocent Americans. While your actions did not kill them, they may have set a chain of events in motion. Just as shouting the word “FIRE” doesn’t hurt people, it’s the resulting stampede. Freedom of speech comes with responsibility.
It is not against the law to shout ‘”fire” in a crowded theater if the theater is, indeed, on fire.
You absolutely have the right to do this. You also have the right to shout “FIRE” in a crowded theatre.
No, no, no. You do NOT have the “right” to shout “FIRE” in a crowded theater. As I explained elsewhere, that’s not an act of “free speech”, it’s an act of fraudulent misrepresentation with direct physical consequences. Freedom of speech does not sanction such things.
That kind of deliberate dropping of context is the sort of “thinking” that gives principled thought a bad name.
Of course, it’s clear in your case why you adhere to it; it serves as the basis for the specious conservative argument that “rights impose responsibilities” (which ideological causality dictates will invariably end up meaning arbitrary restrictions imposed upon choices the person invoking that clause doesn’t like.)
All of which has nothing to do with what Lindsey Graham is suggesting – that the government restrict speech that Islamists don’t like.
Spot the flaws in the analogy. Anyone?
You plainly have some studying up to do on concepts like proximate cause and intervening cause
again with the Fire in a Theater example? Bad example. Because, starting now, i am going to be offended by any words that YOU type or speak. I am going to convince two people of this every day, and they will convince 2 people every day, and in a matter of weeks, millions of people will know that YOU are not allowed to speak or write anything, it is against the will of Allah, and if you do speak or write, we will riot and kill people. And it will all be YOUR fault. Because now you know about it. And if you so choose to speak, you are the same as yelling FIRE in a theater, because of the killing it will cause. You, sir, are a very bad man.
The “shouting FIRE in a movie theatre” analogy is tired and thin. It is a non-sequitur in the context of Koran burning.
Sure, speech has its consequences, as does any action. But in this case, the putative consequences are the violent actions of violent people who are itching for a fight, who have a stack of chips on each shoulder, daring anyone to knock them off. They are just looking for any excuse, no matter how trifling, to start a fight. Just the fact that we continue to live and breathe offends them. My trying to live my life in peace may incite them to violence, that is a consequence of my actions, but I take no blame for their actions. So if we need to burn a Koran or two to test the waters and clarify our situation, namely that they are our enemies, then that is a good thing.
Osama Bin Laden used Western decadence as one reason for 9/11.
Sharia Law would have us hang homosexuals.
By your logic, if I don’t advocate hanging homosexuals, I am responsible for 9/11.
That’s an excellent point. The decadence of Western popular culture (which is completely dominated by liberals) and its transmission throughout the world probably enrages Muslims more than American foreign policy does. Lady Gaga offends them more than the U.S. Marines.
(Lest anyone misunderstand, no, I do not advocate hanging homosexuals.)
This describes Lindsay and his ilk; it is a very old disorder.
“Hobbes criticized the scruples of intellectuals because he was forced by his experience of the political consequences of their soul searching to wonder whether it were not possible to be too afraid of doing wrong and whether this fear did not ultimately spring from a pride more dangerous to society than any aristocrats. They were the new aristocracy, theirs the new pride . . ., a pride in their own aspiration toward a clear conscience that made them feel confident and strong when they were being weak and endangering society.”
These intellectuals considered it “a sign of moral superiority not to be exclusively attached to the preservation of their own society. They thought that attachment to certain moral principles was finer than attachment to their own country simply because it was their own. They were prepared if necessary to offer up their native land as a moral sacrifice.”
Irene Coltan, PRIVATE MEN AND PUBLIC CAUSES (London, 1962), pp. 146, 160.
It worries me when our leaders want to enforce respect for Islam. You get the feeling they thin we are all latent night riders just waiting to flame into rabid bigotry? A real misreading of the American character. We’d rather laugh. What happened to the American rights of ‘Liberty and Ridicule for All?’
Well, Ann is certainly forcing the issue of free speech and good on her. But, turing it down a few hundred decibels, what happens when a college kid accidentally/on/purpose puts his foot in it vis a vis the Koran? Cheers.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/85581/sec_id/85581
Cheers
I swoon every time she says “Lindsey, you jackass!”
Every schoolchild who has ever been through a civics class knows that the right to free speech does not extend to inciting a riot. I am quite sure that the Framers did not intend that vast sums of public money be spent on securing the safety of idiots’ exercise of their first amendment rights.
Perhaps Terry Jones can’t be enjoined against burning a Koran, but in case anyone still doubts the principle, let’s imagine we get some young Afghan gentlemen over to south Florida to explain their displeasure to Jones in person. So now the taxpayers have to fund increased police presence, stepped up security, wiretaps, data mining, and the creeping arm of government. And hence, inciting riots is generally not allowed. But is this consistent with Free Speech as commonly understood? It sure is. Terry Jones can make his point without burning a Koran. Probably wouldn’t get as much publicity though.
Is the light bulb going off yet? Did Terry Jones snooker US taxpayers into providing him with free publicity? As a libertarian, I believe in free speech, not free publicity provided by US taxpayers.
Memo to fellow libertarians: Libertarianism has been making a shaky comeback over the past few years as an antidote to out of control expansion of government. In the past, whenever libertarianism has risen up, it sinks again under the weight of loonies who assert their rights to mint their own money, to secede from their local towns, or to walk about the local library with six-shooters. Are the “free-to-incite-a-riot today” libertarians now threatening to bury it again by standing behind a good book-burning? Farenheit 451 isn’t the vibe you are looking for. Instead, let’s call off the security detail assigned to Terry Jones and save some money and government mission creep.
A libertarian who advocates censorship! Another mythical creature crossed off my list. Still looking “conservative Democrat” and “moderate Muslim”, so any pointers would be welcome.
the only prohibitions on speech during World War II and all other wars pertained to speech which would give aid and comfort to the enemy,
That describes Lindsey Graham’s quoted paragraph pretty well.
If you don’t think that this sort of thing doesn’t embolden this particular enemy, you do not understand this particular enemy.
Let’s tie Koran burning to Islamacist acts.
Every time a rocket or mortar is launched from Gaza a prominent American will burn a Koran on tape. Every time a hostage is beheaded, two Korans. Every time a rape victim is executed, two Korans. And every time there are riots “because” someone burned a Koran we burn a Koran for each country participating. I think we can come up with more such rules.
Yours,
Tom
It’s been a long time. Too long if you were to ask me and damn good to see. A lady with “fire” in her belly. Go girl!
Another conservative woman with a pair of big titanium ones. Watch and learn, RINOs!
She’s also a great example of a Coloradan–independent as hell and not afraid to tell you what she thinks. I luvz my adopted home state.
Somewhere Winston Churchill is smiling and raising a glass of something strong. “There is no more powerful retrograde force on Earth,” he wrote of Islam in 1898.
Lindsey Graham has become an embarrassment and that’s a shame, because there was a time I thought him an honorable man – possibly somebody worthy of real leadership. But those days have come and gone, and like so many who had some potential, he got caught up in the limelight and his biggest ambition became “to be seen.”
It is time for Senator Graham to step down this coming year and let the people of South Carolina elect somebody far more worthy without his interference; to step away with what little integrity he has left.
Graham has neither the principles, integrity or intellect worthy to be called Senator. This was not the first time Mr. Graham has inserted his foot in his mouth – but it should be the last.
> It is time for Senator Graham to step down this coming year and let the people of South Carolina elect somebody far more worthy
We’ll have to narrow that down quite a bit.
It is not against the law to shout “fire” in a crowded theater if the theater is, indeed, on fire.
I am seriously impressed by Anne Barnhardt. She really gets it; and she has an instinct for the political jugular that is simply remarkable. In 20 minutes of amateur video she has finished the career of a senior, formerly “serious,” Senator. If she ever gets to be Secretary of Defense, look out.
As for the merits of what she’s doing, it’s cathartic. The contradictions that Lindsey Graham wants us to accommodate are insufferable. The jihad is in full spate and we cannot back down. Nor will we. So either we sort it out fairly peacefully, catalyzed by provocative but thoughtful actions like Anne’s; or it all goes supercritical. And in that latter case, who loses most? We would lose much. But Islam would lose all.
What a pity that Ann has emphatically stated that she will never, never become involved in politics. She would make a great President and leader of the free world.
She should have put some of that bacon in the fire bowl. It might have helped the pages burn a little bit faster.
Followed by . . . BREAKFAST!
Come on – let’s all burn Korans until the entire muslim world is in flames.
Solves that pesky food shortage, too.
And we do have oil – or we can take theirs after the self-immolate.
We have nothing to lose but our liberals.
> Come on – let’s all burn Korans until the entire muslim world is in flames.
Won’t do anything about those pesky straw men.
I am moved by Ms. Barnhardt’s convictions. I expect that she is very representative of at least the thoughts of a very large segment of the country. Or at least, I hope that she is. The consequenses of her actions may be trouble, for trouble has she troubled. But whatever ills may come her way would only serve as testament to what she said. She didn’t say it nice-like, but what she said was true. There is religion, and then there is Islam.
A lot of people seem to continue to be more focused on bashing the Koran rather then the real task at hand, defending the intrinsic truth of freedom of speech. Believing in the superiority of our values does not mean we should lack introspection. Can any of you deny there are calls for genocides, approval of slavery, and sanctioned racism in the Bible? Ignorance of history is not patriotism and it is not a fit way to treat the Western Tradition.
Donald, if you actually read what the Koran says (not to mention the Hadith) you would realize that no one-to-one matching of violence is possible, and that its message is very different from that of the Torah and the New Testament. Mohammad’s message can be summarized as “make war upon the whole world until everyone either submits to Islam or is dead”. That is not the message of the Torah or the New Testament.
You made and ignorant and stupid assertion of moral equivalence between scriptures. We called you on it, pointing out that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Now you are telling us that it’s a mistake to “focus on bashing the Koran” which seems to be a partial admission that you realize that you are full of BS. So why is it a mistake to pay serious and critical attention to an ideology that is inherently hostile to freedom of speech and everything else we hold dear? Would you have lectured us in the past on the “immaturity” of criticizing the evil ideologies of past enemies such as fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, etc? You really need to stop drinking that multi-culti Kool-Aid.
Mr H, this is exactly wrong. It makes everybody feel warm and cuddly to defend “freedom of speech” but we need to focus on the substance of what is actually spoken.
I have no interest in defending Miss Barnhardt’s or Mr Jones’s freedom of speech. It is not in question, and the point is that *I agree with them*.
They are ringing the firebell about the angers of Islam and the book that inspires them. We desperately need to listen.
Donald H.,
Thank you for:
“Believing in the superiority of our values does not mean we should lack introspection. Can any of you deny there are calls for genocides, approval of slavery, and sanctioned racism in the Bible? Ignorance of history is not patriotism and it is not a fit way to treat the Western Tradition.”
There is no need to deny that “calls for genocides, approval of slavery, and sanctioned racism” are in the Old Testament. They are there, but they are not binding on Christians. A guy calling himself “Jesus” did His thing for all of us and got rid of all that. Dumped it into the dustbin of salvation history.
Now back to you: Ignorance of the bible and its attendant faith — two of the most important roots of the Western Tradition — is no basis for a useful contribution to an otherwise excellent discussion thread.
It is time to read your bible and, one hopes, some good commentary. Upon completion of these exertions you will, I presume, not lack introspection.
Ms. Barnhardt’s video plays the role of the smiley-faced bullet in Ray Bradbury’s Something Wicked This Way Comes. The character Charles Halloway carved a smile on the bullet, making it lethal to the carnival Dust Witch, who badly needed killing, and who could be killed only with others’ happiness.
#5 Virgil
I, for one, don’t want a dime of my taxpayer’s money going to either Barnhardt or Jones for protection or body guards if they start receiving death threats.
The chances that the taxpayers will be spending anything to protect them are minimal. Our government, and our Political Class of both parties, support the idea of both Barnhardt and Jones being attacked, would probably rejoice if they were killed. After all, the Left and Islam both consider the United States and a free American people to be their prime enemy and target.
There are lessons being learned over the last couple of years. We cannot depend on the government to protect us, because they view us as the enemy. That the American Left and the Democrats are both willing to commit violence on those who will not submit; just as Muslims are willing to commit violence on those who will not submit. And as we have seen in Wisconsin, the police will not protect the people from violations of the law if the crimes are committed by the Left.
We are learning we are on our own. And Ms. Barnhardt’s brilliant denunciation is part of the process of calling out those who rule us, and those who would rule us. From her website, she is quite capable of defending herself. And I suspect that she has quite a few who would aid her in defending herself [no taxpayer money involved] and if necessary avenging her.
Subotai Bahadur
If denigrating the enemy during World War Two had interfered with the war effort or endangered our troops you better believe something would have been done about it.
Give it up already. Your starting to sound, not only stupid, but foolish.
Burning Korans is stupid. Burning Muslims is much better. Nukes anyone.
Ms Barnhardt, you have my deepest respect and admiration.
Ann Barnhardt, the last woman and Terry Jones, the last man standing. I wish we had such courage in Europe.
Best video entertainment I’ve had in ages. And then, the bonus — best reader comments, too. It’s good to have the blood stirred once in a while, and it’s good to have cold water thrown in one’s face, too. Thanks, Ann. You’re a babe and a half, politically and otherwise.
There is a big difference between burning a book to prevent people from reading it (a la Stalin, Hitler, various popes) and burning one in protest *AFTER* reading it. Nowhere does Ann say the Koran should be banned or that anyone should be denied the right to read it by burning all copies. Quite the contrary. Read it first, then burn it (your copy only) if you don’t like what you read. Rex Stout, the super-liberal, Nixon hating mystery writer once had his fictional detective, Nero Wolfe, burn a dictionary because it defined a word contrary to Wolfe’s (and supposedly, Stout’s) ideas. Nothing wrong with that at all. I’ve thrown several books into the recycle bin myself because I didn’t like them and didn’t want to play with fire. I will do so in the future, I’m sure, there are so many bad books.
Bill,
Glad someone else remembers that!
It is an uncommon novel that begins with a principal character
burning a dictionary, but that is the opening of Gambit, as Archie
Goodwin announces to Nero Wolfe the arrival of a prospective
client:
Without turning his head Wolfe let out a growl, yanked out some
more pages and dropped them on the fire, and demanded, “Who is
Miss Blount?” …
[Goodwin]: “… she has an appointment with you … Besides, how
about the comments I have heard you make about book burners?”
[Wolfe] yanked out more pages. “I am a man, not a government or
a committee of censors. Having paid forty-seven dollars and fifty
cents for this book, and having examined it and found it
subversive and intolerably offensive, I am destroying it.” He
dropped the pages on the fire. “I’m in no mood to listen to a
woman. Ask her to come after lunch.”
“Mr. Wolfe is in the middle of the a fit. It’s complicated. There’s a
fireplace in the front room, but it’s never lit because he hates open
fires. He says they stultify mental processes. But it’s lit now
because he’s using it. He’s seated in front of it, on a chair too small
for him, tearing sheets out of a book and burning them. The book
is the new edition, the third edition, of Webster’s New
International Dictionary, Unabridged, published by the G. & C.
Merriam Company of Springfield, Massachusetts. He considers it
subversive because it threatens the integrity of the English
language….”
She was staring up at me. “He’s burning up a dictionary?”
“Right. That’s nothing. Once he burned up a cookbook because it
said to remove the hide from a ham end before putting it in the pot
with lima beans. Which he loves most, food or words, is a tossup.”
– Archie, explaining Wolfe’s reaction to a dictionary that allows
the use of “imply” in place of “infer,” in Gambit, chapter 1.
Also
Pauline Kael on burning books
A woman who taught at Berkeley dropped in on me once and saw a book burning in the fireplace,” recalled Pauline Kael, in her skeptical film review of Ray Bradbury’s “Fahrenheit 451.” “She pointed at it in terror. I explained that it was a crummy ghost-written life of a movie star and that it was an act of sanitation to burn it rather then sending it out into the world which was already clogged with too many copies of it. But she said, ‘You shouldn’t burn books’ and began to cry.”
Back in the 70′s and 80′s the SF writer Spider Robinson had a book review column in which he occasionally thanked publishers for sending him so many very bad books to review: Although valueless as fiction, they very useful in keeping his rural cabin warm during the long Canadian winters.
This woman is brave patriot for standing up to those who try to keep us from exercising our rights through intimidation! If you don’t like what you hear or see don’t listen or look away but don’t think you have some special right to silence us so that you aren’t offended!
Burning a Quran is no more intolerant & hateful than the burning/desecration of Bibles, churches, Hindu temples, Buddhist temples, the US flag, effigies of our leaders, and worst of all the burning of LIVE people! (Google “Muslims burn” and look at the suggested searches that pop up it will amaze and likely horrify you.)
Jones wasn’t the first person to burn or disrespect/destroy a Quran & post it on YouTube (look it up). His act was just one of many so how can HE be blamed for the deaths? If anyone shares in the blame it’s Karzi & the Islamic clerics who whipped the crowds into a violent frenzy prior to the slaughter. Incidentally Muslims burn qurans themselves when they are finished with them.
Blaming Jones for the savagery of these people is as absurd as blaming a rape on the victim because she dressed a certain way!
We don’t have to agree with or even like the way our fellow citizens choose to express themselves but as Americans we all have a duty to defend their 1st Amendment right to exercise those freedoms on American soil!!
Donald H, It is not book burning that is the problem. It is book BANNING. Or conversely, affording one book like the Koran special protections above all others. If a book is a cheap copy owned by the person burning it, that is completely allowed under the First Amendment. The only time someone should be arrested for burning a book is if they start a conflagration that results in harm or property damage to others or if the book in question is a historical treasure, like that moron lady who tried to wreck an $80m Gaughin in NYC. On that note, even a person who owns a rare original Gutenberg Bible, Picasso or and other rare work of art or literature, should not have the right to burn it, for ultimately it does not belong to the owner. It belongs to history and all of us, and it would be a crime against art. Got all that now?
As to acting out of derision or annoyance at any other cultures or societies out of spite, I myself will be on Facebook this May 20th, the first anniversary of Everybody Draw Mohammed Day. I was against it last year, but pushback is now necessary. If it takes being annoying and derisive to make a point that freedoms are neither the Islamists’ or our elected officials to give or take, then so be it. In that cause, I expect to be EXTREMELY annoying and derisive. My religion is freedom of speech and expression, and I will do what I must to defend it when it is under assault. You got all that, too? Good!
All religious and political faiths have to accept that they can and will be satirised. I think TJ et al have the right to burn what they like (I could suggest targets for them that I would prefer, starting with their own trousers) but they are not symbols of free speech. They’re stupid, malevolent bigots. We shouldn’t forget that.
Another possibility is drawing cartoons of burning Korans. I like that idea.
I can’t take credit for it, unfortunately. I saw it in a comment at Belmont Club.
Burning books has uncomfortable resonances in western society. It’s an act that carries a dreadful symbolism. Should the idiotic TJ or his followers be allowed to do this? Yes, if they must, but I’m not going to be manipulated by Ann Barhhardt or anyone else into seeing this act of self-aggrandisment and promotion of islamophobia as any kind of noble act. It’s like applauding someone who hangs bibles on convenient nails in public lavatories. It’s vulgar, ill-mannered and says more about the actor than the acted against. I’m an atheist, I have little if any time for religious sensibilitites, but I am a great believer in courtesy. Does the response say something about the Islamic faith? It says more about the nature of people, I think. We’re in an inflammatory situation. People riot, and mobs kill – that’s Christian mobs, atheist mobs, Jewish mobs, Muslim mobs and probably Jedi mobs. We’re people. It’s what people do, sadly.
I hear you but aren’t you a bit squeamish?
This comparison of Jones’ koran burning to shouting fire in a theater is way off base.
The problem of falsely shouting fire is that it causes otherwise rational people to panic. People legitimately fear for their lives.
Jones’ koran burning, by contrast, was not a direct physical threat to those Muslim mobs. It was an act of political expression and, yes, provocation — but it directly threatened no one. No Muslim from 6000 miles away could have legitimately imagined that the flames from Jones’ koran would leap out through the TV and engulf them. The two situations are not remotely comparable.
The real problem is that our freedom of expression causes them to become homicidally enraged.
So what to do? Well, we could do what commenter Ian (as well as all of our political leaders) recommends and bite our tongues. We could all just go on pretending that Islam is a religion of peace.
Or we could do what Jones and Barnhardt have done: We could point out how violent Islam is and how incompatible it is with Western Civilization. When you look at the impact of Muslim immigration on European countries and see the chilling effects on free speech and freedom in general — the no-go zones for non-Muslims, the honor killings, the violent crime directed against the host populations, the calls for sharia courts — well, it seems to me that vocally and even provocatively opposing Islam is one of the most worthwhile uses of our constitutional protections.
Our leaders have failed us. Political protest is required. And I heartily applaud Jones and Barnhardt for standing up.
The argument that we must sacrifice our freedom of expression in order to preserve Muslims’ fragile and bloodthirsty sensibilities is a game that Europe is now playing — and losing — every day. If we do what Ian and others advocate and keep silent, America is next.
Beautifully said, Shanghai Ty. I’m with you 100%.
And its really heartening to see the many commentators here who haven’t been dhimmi-tized. Considering the PC onslaught of today, that’s kind of amazing.
I grew up on a ranch in n. Idaho in the late 60′s early 70′s, believe in Jesus Christ, and believe in all what this country was first founded on, so I’m probably considered by those on the left as an uneducated racist bigot. For years my father said that if you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water he will jump out. But if you put a frog in a pan of cold water and turn the burner on low, he will stay in that pan until he cooks to death. Sadly, I believe that we are the latter frog. The government for years has been taking the rights from one and giving it to the other. Our society has become so thin-skinned, where political correctness is supposed to be the norm. (In my Bible, Jesus says we are to love one another(free of hate), but no where can I find in the Bible where we have to like them or what they stand for.) We will soon have a one world government and be forced to worship a false god….. why do you think the government now wants to keep all the social programs funded?, cause the more dependant the people are upon the government, the more control the government has over the people! To all those who shed their blood for our Great Country and those who continue to do so, I can’t thank you enough. For those who continue to defend our Great Country through words and deeds, I thank you. This frog has his gun ready, and am waiting for the inevitable “Red Dawn”
Lindsay Graham: Free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war.
Sure, we’re in a war, Mr. Graham. But, the truth is, you’re extremely ignorant of the war (declared by our opponents) that the Western world has found itself in, and I thought that John Quincy Adams could help you a little with your blatant lack of knowledge on the topic. Here’s what he had to say, a little over 200 years ago, about the war we’re in, and whose end still continues to be nowhere in sight. And which won’t be if people like yourself continue to ignore what we’re fighting against:
“Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he (Mahound, the alleged inventor of islam) connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST; TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Capitals in original)…Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant…While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.”
And Adams concluded:
“As the essential principle of his [Muhammad's] faith is the subjugation of others by the sword; it is only by force, that his false doctrines can be dispelled, and his power annihilated.”
This applies to islam today as it did back then. The only difference is that the war has now lasted for about fourteen hundred years, not just twelve hundred.
Re “Lindsay Graham: Free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war.”
I’d love to see Congress-critters get it straight consistently. My question to the honorable Senator: “Are we in a war? Or not?” It seems the answer is “we are”, when it comes to needing an excuse for power-tripping domestically. But it also seems the answer is “we’re not” when it comes to announcing it formally (like the Congress is entrusted to do), and then coming together as a nation to try mightily to win it. Here’s a Stratfor link that talks about that topic some more: http://tinyurl.com/3qfex8w I happen to think it covers the topic quite well.
These are wonderful quotations. Can you possibly provide a citation to their source? They have whet my appetite for more! Thank you!
What I was hoping for here, Kafir, was a real live entire *book,* so I could spend a few hours wallowing in some great thinking and great writing…..but if it’s just an Internet source, I understand.
Curiously, “crying fire in a crowded theater” is a phrase offered by Olliver Wendell Holmes in a dissenting opinion. (That means he was on the losing side) It also means that it has never been a constitutional test. If you notice, “crying fire…” is usually thrown in the argument and is as relevent as Knock on Wood, or Inshalla….
Oliver Wendell Holmes was also a fan of eugenics, i.e., Nazi-style elimination of the “unfit,” as judged by effeminate bookworms who have never lifted over 15 lbs. in their lives. Interesting that the people who want to “regulate” speech are also the ones that want to kill people like me.
Daniel Pipes is someone who knows an awful lot about the Middle East and Islam. He writes:
“Critiquing Islam, tastefully or distastefully done, is a constitutional right. Indeed, done intelligently it is a civilizational imperative.”
Pipes hits the nail on the head by saying this. Hard-core Muslims want us to curtail our freedoms–that is why it is so vital for us to defend Terry Jones and Ann Barnhardt.
For the rest of Pipes’ article, go to:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/264047/blame-pastor-daniel-pipes
UPDATE (via wire services): Poor widdle Windsay Gwammy is crying in the men’s room.
Just, think if Lindsey hadn’t opened his trap, we would never have heard from Anne Barnhardt. Thank you for that, Lindsey.
From the interview from the update:
“I have an offer for General Petraeus. I’ll GIVE him one of my balls. Then I’d still have two, and he would have one. He is a politicking coward who cares only about his pension and cashing in on his rank after he retires. The suicidal, defeatist Rules of Engagement he oversees are the unequivocal proof of that. He should resign in disgrace – yesterday, and then present himself to each and every family of our war dead and BEG their forgiveness for failing in his duty as their son or daughter’s commanding officer.” – Ann
Dumb %$^$#.
So, fortcww, are you defending the Rules of Engagement? Those Rules of Engagement, which Petraeus helped push and implement, are a horrible travesty and greatly hinder our fighting men. Ann Barnhardt is right about them.
Not only is Petraeus guilty of implementing these terrible Rules, but he is also guilty of forcing more political correctness down the throat of our Armed Forces. He deserves our thanks for implementing the Iraq surge, but he’s no George Patton, U. S. Grant, Winfield Scott or George Washington. PC has begun to ruin our great Armed Forces.
Sadly, what we are witnessing in our society is the desperation of the citizenry. This happens whenever in whatever society when it is perceived and in our case the perception is fast becoming a reality, that the power we have as citizens over our government is no longer ours. People are beginning to feel that they MUST fight back against tyranny. Although tyranny is not a feeling that we who have lived in this great nation have felt since the very foundation of our country, it is a feeling that is now rising to the surface. We all understand that desperation breeds confusion. Confusion then breeds actions that sometimes do not make logical sense but it is a sign that all is not right within our society. Rising up against the raging stupidity that is prevalent in our government today is simply the way we Americans have always handled things. Why is it so surprising that this kind of thing is happening when we are forced to stand by and watch as the rulings of a few in power force the majority to “eat cake.” Burning the Koran may seem utterly ridiculous but it is in reality a symptom of underlying frustration – this is just the tip of what will occur down the road if we do not wrest control back to the populace…..
And the tyranny that we despise is real–it is like the “Soft Despotism” that Tocqueville warned us about. Many of us have already suffered from it in our jobs, business transactions and other elements of everyday life, and it is getting worse. This “Soft Despotism” will become a much harder tyranny if the likes of Obama, Durbin, Reid, Pelosi, assorted Union thugs and many others in our Ruling Classes get more of their way.
Burning the Koran does not seem “utterly ridiculous” to me. It is “Speaking truth to power”–that phrase which is usually so misapplied by our MSM.
well said.
Ann is a hero with cojones, unlike the dhimmi Graham. Her viewpoint is spot-on, and her determination shoule be emulated by every freedom-loving American. Ann, darling, keep it up.
Using bacon as a bookmark was a stroke of genius. Islam should be mocked, derided and made fun of at every available opportunity. It’s past time for us to recognize that we’re in a cultural war brought on by barbarians who want to kill us, or worse.
I’ll echo Ann’s words, “Bring it on.”
“In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot.”
~Mark Twain
I just went through all the searchable quotation sites and this does not show up … anywhere.
You can’t possibly be serious in thinking “everything is available on the Internet”?????
Look here —
http://www.twainquotes.com/Patriotism.html
I searched “the patriot is a scarce man” — I am not sure how you missed it (maybe mistyped a word?), but it’s there. Happy reading.
Lindsey Graham has violated his oath of office and needs to lose his job over it. Don’t we have any mechanism to remove a senator who is unfit to hold that office? Petraeus also swore to defend the US Constitution, he has betrayed his oath as well.
What a wonderful act of bravery that this lady has shown! And to all of those who think she is being too extreme, I say it is time to stand up to the bullies who seek to take away our freedom of speech. What is it that the feminists like to say? “Well behaved women rarely make history.” That could apply here as well, although I believe Ms. Barnhardt is behaving rather ladylike while being assertive at the same time.
I don’t like it that people such as Bill Ayers can stomp on an American flag or the nameless so-called artist who did the crucifix in urine, but this is America. If the muslims want to live here, they will abide by our laws, not theirs.
right on, Ann!
What is most striking to me is that so many American leaders, both political and military, wax poetic about defending the Koran yet remain absolutely silent when the AMERICAN FLAG is burned! American have fought and died for the Stars and Stripes and as far as I am concerned it represents more HOLINESS than the koran possibly could.
” We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ”
THERE IS MORE OF G-D IN THAT STATEMENT THAN IN THE ENTIRE KORAN.
” Here lie men who loved America because their ancestors generations ago helped in her founding, and other men who loved her with equal passion because they themselves or their own fathers escaped from oppression to her blessed shores. Here lie officers and men, Negroes and whites, rich men and poor . . . together. Here are Protestants, Catholics and Jews together. Here no man prefers another because of his faith or despises him because of his color. Here there are no quotas of how many from each group are admitted or allowed. Among these men, there is no discrimination. No prejudices. No hatred. Theirs is the highest and purest democracy … ”
http://ajhs.org/scholarship/chapters/chapter.cfm?documentID=276
G-d bless America!
Wonderful post, and thank you for this link!
Amen! Terry Jones is a hero.
First, I want to commend Ann for bravely reading (and then burning) such disgusting passages from the “holy” Koran. Oh, and for blasting the idiot Lindsey Graham (How in the bleep did this guy get elected, anway???) for his abject failure to stand up for his country while (supposedly) “serving” in its Senate!
But I do want to remind all those who claim Christians have ever been as violent as radical Islam is today, all religions (whomever they claim to ‘serve’) are Man-made and thus are just as flawed as the men who make them. So, yes, religions like the Roman Catholic Church HAVE tortured and murdered hundreds of millions of innocent (Jewish, Christian, and Muslim) men, women, and children in attempts to ‘convert’ them to that religion.
This it NOT to say that anyone who faithfully keeps a close, personal relationship with God (Who IS Love), by following His Son Jesus, would ever participate in such hateful acts. God’s Word, the Bible, teaches us to LOVE God above all others, and to LOVE each other as we do ourselves. Violence comes from hate, not Love. So, if we Love, and teach others to Love as well, I believe this world will be a much safer, less violent, place to live.
This, by NO means, says we should be weak. Rather, we are to stand strong against all hate and violence–wherever we find it! With God all things are possible, and no one can stand against us! Praise God, pray for His Protections for people like Ann & Pastor Jerry, and let us join them in standing strong for Love!
‘cept not.
Wow. Can it be true? Is there an adult in the room at last?
Will Ann Barnhardt be the one that finally breaks the spell of the politically correct morons who live too far up their own backsides to see the dangers staring civilisation in the face?
If anything happens to this lady there needs to be some serious repercussions for the offenders and those they represent. Anything less is capitulation and surrender plain and simple. And as for the whining “intellectuals” – how much whining do you think will be tolerated under Sharia? You imbeciles will be the first to hang whereas hicks like Terry Jones will blend in nicely with his ludicrous facial hair. Ironic huh?
The first video is terrific. Lindsey Graham should be forced to listen to it on repeat for about a week.
She undercuts herself in the second video, though. (Although I love the bacon bookmark idea.) I can find passages as violent in the Bible as she finds in the Koran. The major difference (which I think she’d admit to) is that Christians now ignore those parts of the Bible while many Muslims are still quite happy with the Koranic crap.
I admire her attitude. I join her in her refusal to submit. But this war isn’t Christianity vs. Islam. It’s Islam vs. the entire non-Muslim world. And it’s just sick that so many people die because one group says its imaginary, bearded friend in the sky is better than another group’s imaginary, bearded friend in the sky. Robert Heinline nailed it: “Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.”
> I can find passages as violent in the Bible as she finds in the Koran. The major difference (which I think she’d admit to) is that Christians now ignore those parts of the Bible while many Muslims are still quite happy with the Koranic crap.
Not all Christians cherry-pick the Bible. Yes, Calvinism is still alive and kicking. Look at it this way: every single day, God Himself decides who lives and who dies. Life is His to give, and it’s also His to take.
What the ancient Israelites were up against was trying to survive in a very tough part of the world. The Bible tells us that God sought to preserve His people as a race and as a religion. Through His prophets, He told the Israelites that they were to be His sword in a judgment meted to some very nasty nations.
We don’t have prophets these days, so, Pat Robertson’s pronouncements notwithstanding, we never know precisely how God’s judgments are played out today. All we can do is follow the principles handed to us by the Bible. But is it hard to imagine that, under analogous circumstances, God would have sent prophets to tell us to smite the Nazis (who were murdering Jews) and the Japanese Shintos (who were murdering Chinese)? C’mon, even Buddhists believe in judgment — “What goes around, comes around,” is a karmic phrase that has found its way into the popular culture. Why is it such a stretch to say that God judges nations? The ancient Canaanite tribes were unspeakably foul, child sacrifice being probably the worst of their offenses. The Israelites were their judgment. Then, they were to become the priest-nation, to be the beacons of God to an ungodly world. It didn’t work out that way for many reasons, but primarily because a lot of Israelites married hot Canaanite women and began to import some of their religious practices.
There’s a human tendency to fall for the material fallacy, i.e., it is no better when A kills than when B kills. If so, this would draw an equivalence between the Nazi jackboot smashing the head of a Jewish baby and the American G.I. who put a bullet through the Nazi’s head. There’s a time and place for everything under the sun, including killing — only not for expanding the empire of a false god.
Craig,
You can make a much stronger point. Christians do embrace the Old Testament, the Jewish scripture, but Jesus Christ and the teachings of Christianity are found in the New Testament. There is neither violence nor a call for violence in the New Testament.
Lindsey’s comments are just begging for a t-shirt reply.
Freedom of Speech: It’s not just a good idea. It’s the law.
Ann Barnhardt is a HERO! Loved her interview with iOwnTheWorld.
Let’s see……
A U.S. Senator, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina,
does not condemn foreign Murderers, but He says the actions of law abiding citizens triggered the murders. O’reily says the same thing.
Have they got these guys on mind altering drugs. How can they not see the problem.????
Our GOD is the greatest? He lets us know our job is to worship HIM and let everyone know about HIM(love the world). If they don’t listen HE will handle the punishment.
Praise GOD!!! In Christianity GOD handles those who offend HIM.
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It occurs to me, after reading a great number of the comments here, that what we need is Herman Cain as our potus. Recently he said,and has been duly called out for saying, that he would not appoint any muslim to his staff because he did not want to have to look over his shoulder all the time to be sure they were not going to try and take over and institute sharia in the U.S. Now that’s someone I could vote for!
I viewed Ann Barnhardt’s Youtube video and it is excellent. I hope it goes viral. Please return to this topic as your time permits.
Roger Kimball does an excellent recap.
Ann Barnhardt is an inspiration! Her research & comments support all that I have been able to learn about the Islamists. IF there are some good Islamist, it seems the numbers do not come close to ten.
ThanX! PEACE & Shalom,
Altoona Jan
When I first saw the video on another site (Breitbart), I thought it was going to be cringe inducing, embarrassing conservative footage – and a new character for Tina Fey. I quickly clicked off after a few seconds in. But today I saw it here at Pajamas Media and decided to view both videos in full. I then went on to read the iOTW blog interview. That interview was even more awesome than the videos! If that is possible. Go read it after you view the videos.
Excellent posting today. How are her videos not more viral? How does she have only 240 Twitter followers? Fun stuff. Thanks Rog.
I also posted those videos at my place, and I linked to the above post too:
http://zillablog.marezilla.com/2011/04/i-choose-freedom.html
What a woman!
Ann, thank you for speaking so succintly. You are to the point and right on towards our need to wake and and take no prisioners in our fight to get the real word out about the Koran and the Muslem take over of our country.
I think I have just found my soul mate twin. God Bless.
April 8, 2011 Hamptons, New York
Pish-Posh I say
I was sitting in the office amusing myself on YouTube on Monday enjoying a bit of mental masturbation, when behold I spotted this brunette ruffian incinerating a Quran of all things. Egad, what to do, what to do. Off I flew to my typewriter to dash a diatribe of strawmen hominem to rebut this odious rapscallion with the whit that only person of my means and education could derive.
Yes, yes I do indeed understand that talking, nay writing about this on my Weblog (I do hate the term blog, so vulgar) is lowering oneself to their sewer level.
……It reminds me of when I wrote for the Voice in the days of my youth, those were heady days overflowing with sweet Sativa, or cannabis for the uninformed, my roommate Jonathan and his dear love interest of the moment and availability Rebecca did indeed have access to such good product, but I digress. The matter at hand is constant provocation of these troglodytes to our Mohammadian brethren, these unrepentant flag waving untermensch sitting in their recliners salivating like so many of Pavlov’s dogs at the blatantly blue-collar, red-state, red-meat armchair types who have never known the taste of real battle such as myself.
“I flashback and tear-up at the mere thought of what transpired that fateful day when Jonathan absconded the last beignet from Krispy Kreme after a long and rather gratuitous bong session where we had agreed to split the deep-fried fat pastry. Oh the pain, the lamentable pain that terrible gnashing within the confines of my digestive tract that horrible need, that pang of hunger only the truly malnourished can afford. I was enraged, a passion I had never known before swept within me.
I flew at Jonathan with a clawing slap that removed that delicious bakery treat from his full, powdered sugar coated lips. He was incensed and tore at my hair: pulling and twisting he removed a tuft (I do believe gentle readers that this event was the beginning of my baldness, between the stress and the removal a gross shock was delivered to my system that I still have want to recover) I then slapped his mouth drawing a slight trickle of blood. It was then we realized what utter fools we had been to fight over a morsel of food whose need was brought upon us by drug-induced mania.
We then began to cry and then weep at the near-end of our fellowship; even to this day I must fight back those dark memories when Jonathan and myself converse on our mobiles and reminisce of that great and terrible battle –for we too are warriors.”
However, the issue at hand or rather the issue of fly-over country is this deliberate enraging that is coming forth. Why can’t they leave well enough alone? And these foul images by these foul religious types and what’s worse; it is a woman to boot, carrying a gun –how trite. A little background on Ms. Barnhardt or is it Miss; apparently she knows investments and other ways of the world and says she is college educated. Well as Gaia is my witness, I went to college too, two years of it in fact before finding myself on the shores of lower Manhattan and partaking of convivial times with the aforementioned Voice. I know of education and of want, more importantly I know of the desperate need for others to take notice of myself. Annie Oakley Barnhardt actually placed her life at risk, whereas I have placed my existence on the line by rendering my version of the world, a version so adverse there was a happenstance where I drove through Brooklyn once to meet a deadline.
It (my how I love my strawmen) has been said that when I describe others that I am describing myself –utterly and completely falsehoods perpetrated upon myself by others of lower quality. No my dear readers and may I say friends, what I do is project. I project, my shortcomings, my weaknesses, my lies, half-truths and fallacies on others in order to create that foil so people won’t see me as I am – a feeble little boy living in a grown man’s body playing at his typewriter being handsomely paid to vaporize ants with a magnifying glass.
I am Truly,
James Wolcott, Vanity Fair Emeritus
I would suggest that everyone send some page torn from the Koran, burnt on the edges, with a letter expressing your thoughts on free speech to Sen. Graham. However one feels about Rev. Jones, what he did under the Constitution was legal. If legal action is to be taken against Rev. Jones, it would have to be under Sharia Law and our country hasn’t gotten to that point yet.
I don’t recall during WW II that it was illegal to burn a copy of Mein Kampf or to make fun of Hitler the way Hollywood did. Take for example Charley Chaplin, playing a Jewish barber, in the Great Dictator. Can you imagine making a movie today like that about Mohammad? If we could make fun of our enemies during WW II, why can’t we do it now?
We can, except the powers that be don’t want us to because of political correctness. They are paralyzed by it. But we’re not. The way to stop Islam
is to expose it, ridicule it, and defy it. Just what we are starting to do now.
But we must just do more of it.
Whatever you do, don’t ever treat it like one of the Abrahamic religions, because it’s not. Allah is not the same as the Judaic and Christian loving creator God. Allah is Satan.
I agree. The Koran is a counterfeit Bible. Allah is a counterfeit Jehovah. Mohammad is a counterfeit Christ. Islam is a counterfeit Christianity.
I would highly recommend “Why I Am Not a Muslim” by Iban Warraq.
“In this context, Ibn Warraq’s claim of the right to disagree with Islamic tenets is a shock. And all the more so when he claims even the Westerner’s right to do so disrespectfully! “This book is first and foremost an assertion of my right to criticize everything and anything in Islam-even to blaspheme, to make errors, to satirize, and mock.” Why I Am Not a Muslim does have a mocking quality, to be sure, but it is also a serious and thought-provoking book. It calls not for a wall of silence, much less a Rushdie-like fatwa on the author’s life, but for an equally compelling response from a believing Muslim.”
http://www.danielpipes.org/893/why-i-am-not-a-muslim
Perhaps we should have a TV program called “The Other View.” Hosted by women like Ann Barnhardt, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, etc.
Sign this woman to a contract pronto.
Lindsay Graham is an AINO (American In Name Only). The only improvement I can suggest is that she schedule an interview with the “Senator” during which she might haul off and punch his face. It would be for his improvement.
Islam is the most powerful and successful satanic cult ever, in the history of the world.
Before you get to busy worshiping this woman, she has also advocated the stripping of a woman’s right to vote in order to return the country to traditional values.
SJR
The Pink Flamingo
I don’t believe anyone is worshiping her. After so much PC talk from wussy politicians, we love to hear someone tell it like it is. How many times have you heard someone say something and you go “YEAH! Tell it like it is.” Only to have them groveling at someone’s feet and begging for forgiveness the next day? If this lady says it, she means it and sticks by it.
If it hadn’t been for the women’s vote we would have far fewer liberals in office, including Comrade Obama. I don’t know of any person I agree with on everything, other than myself. I am sure there are a lot of things I might disagree with her on, but Koran burning and free speech are not two of them.
You wrote: BONUS UPDATE: an interview with this remarkable woman: http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=69662
Thanks for the link.
“Ann – I got home from Mass at about 1:30 Sunday afternoon. Sunday was Laetare Sunday, which marks the midway point of Lent. The priest at the parish I attend said repeatedly in his homily that it was a day to relax and enjoy oneself….”
So is Ann Barnhardt Catholic? Does she realize Pope Benedict XVI bowed to Islam when he prayed barefoot in Istanbul’s Blue Mosque, facing Mecca? Does Ann know Pope Benedict XVI blames Israel for the persecution of Christians by Muslims in the Middle East? Did she read the latest Vatican Synod on the Middle East which blames the Jews for the jihad against Christians? Does Ann know her church supports the establishment of a Muslim-terror (enemy) state in the Holy Land?
Yes, I also was surprised to find that Ann is a Catholic, particularly since in one of her videos (Barnhardt-koran-9-14- 2010.flv) she holds up a Bible and states that all revealed spiritual truth is contained within it (or words to that effect). And yet much of the Catholic religion is extra-biblical eg. veneration of the virgin Mary, saints, relics and icons; the Pope being the Vicar of Christ; the infallibility of the Pope; purgatory; indulgences; the teachings and tradition of the Church being equal to the teachings of the Bible; and the generally superstitious nature of their worship including weeping and bleeding statues, and apparitions (our Lady of Lourdes etc.), etc., etc.
Despite the above, I strongly support her views as expressed in her videos. I pray for her safety.
Amen Brother Greg! Tell it like it is. When it come to free speech Sister Ann is preaching to the choir.
You wrote: “I strongly support her views as expressed in her videos. I pray for her safety….”
As do I. But anti-jihad Catholics – courageous Catholics like this woman – need to understand (but for the Almighty) they are on their own. This German pope (Pope Benedict XVI) has capitulated to the global jihad. He is a dhimmi pope.
I wonder if Pope Benedict XVI will nominate Mohammad for sainthood? Are there any non-Catholic satins? If not, then the Pope needs to nominate some in the name of diversity, multiculturalism and political correctness.
Greg Z, Your conclusion seems normal, but you need better preparation to comment on the Catholic Church….
Steve, Nice try at libel, but….
just exactly now, Whaddaya think you are accomplishing through a parade of silly swipes at the Catholic Church and sneaky libels of Benedict XVI?
That’s as far as I am going toward your hijack of the thread. Nice try, boys.
Maybe the women really are ahead of the men on all this.
John, Israel and the Jews have many Catholic friends (I suspect you are not among them) but not the Vatican and this pope. Maybe you read the theological anti-Semitism that came forth from the latest Vatican Synod on the Middle East; a Synod that was supposed to deal with the persecution of Christians in the region. Pope Benedict presided over the thing. What does Israel have to do with Christians persecuted by Muslims John?
Vatican Text: “Recourse to theological and biblical positions which use the Word of God to wrongly justify injustices (i.e., Jews living and defending ourselves in our own land) is not acceptable.
Archbishop Cyril Bustros: “The theme of the Promised Land cannot be used as a basis to justify the return of the Jews to Israel and the expatriation of the Palestinians.
“We Christians cannot speak of the ‘Promised Land’ as an exclusive right for a privileged Jewish people. THIS PROMISE WAS NULLIFIED BY CHRIST (emphasis mine). There is no longer a chosen people — all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people.”
So the Vatican believes Jesus nullified God’s everlasting covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because the Church is the “new people of God?” Where does Pope Benedict get this idea? Do you and Pope Benedict believe Israel is an injustice?
Furthermore John, why does Pope Benedict support the establishment of a Palestinian Muslim state in the Holy Land, dedicated to Israel’s destruction? Weren’t the Muslims given enough land following the first world war? Some six million plus square miles of land – much of it oil rich – compared to Israel’s 8-10,000 square miles? Whose side are you and Pope Benedict on? Are you on the side of justice and right or injustice and wrong John?
John, here is the Vatican statement in context. Keep in mind, Israel’s Jews suffer murderous terrorism and violence on a daily basis; even as I write this:
» 10/23/2010 12:55
VATICAN – MIDDLE EAST
Synod for the Middle East: a Message to the People of God
Approved at the end of the synod assemblies…
“We have evaluated the social situation and the public security in all our countries in the Middle East. We have taken account of the impact of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict on the whole region, especially on the Palestinians who are suffering the consequences of the Israeli occupation: the lack of freedom of movement, the wall of separation and the military checkpoints, the political prisoners, the demolition of homes, the disturbance of socio-economic life and the thousands of refugees.
“Recourse to theological and biblical positions which use the Word of God to wrongly justify injustices is not acceptable.”
Steve,
Nice try, but you should not have tried to hijack the thread.
Greg,
Suspect you’d find that most RC’s don’t get seriously hung-up on the Church’s labyrinthine minutiae (arguably exceeded only by that of their esteemed predecessors in monotheism, the Jews). If you care to follow-up, the colorful Andrew Greeley wrote a wonderful piece about what is at the heart of Catholicism in a story several years back called, “Because of the Stories.” (NYT Magazine, July 10, 1994). It’s really all about indescribable love, mercy, and endless second chances. The rest is just details, as they say.
I thank you for this information.
I’m so glad that this came to me. For those who want to know more about what she is talking about, please buy the book “BECAUSE THEY HATE”, BY BRIGITTE GABRIEL.She is also a person who knows what is being addressed here regarding this issue. It is also part of the “NEW WORLD ORDER” everyone is hearing about.
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I would like to start a “Wish List” for her and lets get her running for us. Please go to this information I address above and lets put on our running shoes and help her fight for our rights and freedom for us and for citizens of the United States of America. WE, “THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN” I have my RUNNING SHOES ON, already!!
MichelleC.
God bless you, Ann Barnhardt and keep you safe! All of us who love western civilization need to be willing to do what she says and does in these videos.
We do not have freedom of speech unless we have freedom to offend others, including the freedom to offend Muslims, Feminists, Socialists, Atheists and all assorted America-haters. Please add me to any mailing lists!!!
In God we Trust, Before, Now and Always Will!! Amen!!!!!
Forget yelling fire in a crowded theater. Try yelling ALLAHU AKBAR! in a crowded theater and see which causes greater panic. I did see a couple of things wrong in Ann’s video though. Firstly, Lindsey would not end up sobbing in the men’s room, it would be the ladies room where he sits down to pee. And secondly, it was a sin to defile that good bacon by putting it between the filthy pages of the koran.
Ann Barnhardt – what an American! – what a woman! – and hot, too!
I’m afraid the bacon had to sacrificed. It served us well…perhaps a posthumous medal of some sort?
I have a better idea joeget, you know those little yellow ribbon stickers people put on their cars? I’d love one of a rasher of bacon in that shape to put on mine to show where I stand on the islamization of America. And I agree, Ann is one smoking little pistol! I hope she doesn’t stop with just rattling the muzzies’ cage, but takes on their evil abettors, the PC and multiculturist America haters. She says what millions wish to say except they are afraid of being sent to re-education camps. Errrrrr, I mean racial/gender/religious/etc. sensitivity classes ordered by a judge/HR director/college dean/etc.
“ re-education camp”
Same way I’ve always thought of it (except that I preface the phrase with “communist” when I use it), especially after doing a stint in the Beltway. My favorite incident in illustration of the sheer stupidity propelling all this garbage was when the agency I was with wanted to hold an all-day seminar on “Black on Black Violence,” as a centerpiece of its celebration of Black History Month. Of course it was quashed because it might hurt somebody’s feelings. (I actually would have preferred to type “people’s” just now, but the absolute prohibition against the use of that word under any circumstances is obviously still alive and well within my synapses. In fact, you can pretty much tell people who’ve been over-exposed in the Beltway: we tend to use the word, “folks” a lot.) Nitwits on parade!
Oh look! A burning koran. Don’t worry, I’ll put it out ….
Ann Barnhardt ranks up there with Pat Condell (his commentaries on Islamitizaton of the west), and I mean that in a very positive way. I don’t think that they share the same view on religion as a whole, but both represent the growing awareness of important segments of western civiliation to the fact that Islam is a cancer. I’ve just realized that fundamentalist Islam is condoning the practice of human sacrifice. It is obvious that some muslims believe that human blood must be spilled ritualistically (such as cutting off heads) in response to certain insults to Islam. Someone burns a copy of the Koran and some Muslims grab some innocent human beings and cut of their heads. That is religiously motivated human sacrifice my friends. We need to recognized it for what it is in order to start to deal with this cancer. The muslims had better put an end to this trend of human sacrifice before it stains the face of Allah, forever.
If you mean she ranks up there with Pat as all time greats at shilling for Israel you’d be correct.
For a free speech advocate she obviously doesn’t realise the irony of disabling comments on her videos and channel.
We have reached Orwell’s point where now is it an extraordinary act to state the obvious. My reaction to Lindsey Graham’s dhimmi comments was that we ALL need to burn a Qur’an, not because we want to, but because we need to make the point that we are not going to be intimidated. The fact that the U. S. Army in Afghanistan has burned thousands of Bibles only makes it worse. We obviously are not going to leave a trace behind in Afghanistan — even if we win! We are determined not to. It will remain the world’s most backwards place, and Saudi Arabia of rocks, where women are in bondage and uneducated, teenage boys are sexual playthings of older men, and Christian converts are sentenced to death for apostacy. Why this worth the lives of young men and women (who have been advised to wear hijab in Muslim countries) is beyond me. Tell me again what we are fighting for? The dhimmitude of the comments here are shocking. I used to think Sharia was at least 50 years away. I’m 64. I don’t think that I will live to see it, but I now think that my childlren will. Wait until the Muslim population reaches 30 percent. There will then be a wave of conversions to Islam by former nominal “Christians” who see that it will be easier to get ahead as a nominal “Muslim.” Isn’t this what happened in the Balkans? Oh, someone also explain to me why in the 1990′s we were bombing Christian Serbs to put Bosian and Kosovar Muslims in power? Of course, we have enjoyed the eternal gratitude of the Muslim world for this. We are doing the same thing in Libya today — bombing a secular tyrant and idiot to put in power Islamists who scream “Allahu Ackbar” when they go into battle. It is hard to believe that with Obama calling the shots, what is happening — by the way. how did that Egyptian thing turn out? Maybe I can ask teh Copts — is an accident.
Just download a koran and then delete it and to be sure it’s gone, wipe the free space several times over. Good for the environment as it doesn’t, in the broadest sense, pollute, and though perhaps they are unware of this, Muslims do this every day. Be mindful, the mind of a religious zealot is like the iris in the eye, the more light one shines into it, the more it contracts!
I believe it was Oliver Wendell Holmes who stated “Free speech doesn’t mean you can shout “fire” in a crowded theatre”. Even leaving that alone, there’s the question of good sense. If you do something deliberately provocative, don’t claim to be surprised when the people you provoke respond as you might expect. If you want the blood of American servicemen on you, by all means go ahead and burn as many Korans as you choose.
A worthwhile comparison might be that, as Islam is about 600 years younger than Christianity, the way alleged Christians acted in the 16th century included burning and torturing “heretics” and forcing people who didn’t share their particular view of religion to convert or face death. If fundamentalist Islam is behaving poorly (which it is), why encourage them to further outrages by committing provocations…just a thought.
Dear Ann, Thank you. We support you and our faith, 100%. You are right and anybody who says no has been taken in by the taqiyya of islam and his evil prophet mohammad. Please do not stop until all people have been warned about the evils of islam and their terrorists, pagan moon god, allah. We have a wonderful, loving relationship with our Lord and Saviour Jesus and we are told to stand up for the Truth and to never deny our God. God bless you Ann, your family and your efforts to tell all about the dangers of islam.
To Mrs. Ann Barnhardt:
“When” the shit hits the fan, my compound will welcome you and yours with all your supplies in hand. As well as firearms & ammo. The war is coming to America. If you don’t think so, you’ve been in outer space for close to thirty (30) years now. islam declared war on us Christian & Jews of the world, NOT the other way around. I’m totally prepared to die with my 12 gauge semi in my hands. gary215ts2002@yahoo.com I’m a “prepper”, and we all should be as well. You will NEVER have too much ammo. I say this because when we rid our wonderful country is muslins, I feel we should then extend an invitation to the aclu (a communist organiization) to depart our shores. If after a certain amount of time, they will be walking around with a target on their back. We could deport the likes of linsay graham as well.
Gary
PA
It looks as if Ann Barnhardt has been silenced. Her site (http://barnhardt.biz) has been unreachable for several hours now:
The connection has timed out
The server at barnhardt.biz is taking too long to respond.
She’s back online now.
Just because you are illiterate and have no idea of the garbage coming out of your mouths does NOT give you the right to make a hero of an illiterate low-life such as this nobody who thinks she knows all…when she knows nothing…imagine I was reading a Stephen king story and I read that someone wants to kill someone would that make Stephen king a terrorist? Did she waste 2 minutes of her unworthy life to UNDERSTAND the things she was reading?? Just like you claim the right to be able to express your beliefs and rights why don’t you give the Muslims theirs? You never see a Muslim burning a Bible because they’re respectable people who respect other religions and other people which is more than I can say about you idiots! What war is she talking about? What war? I don’t see any war! But then again I don’t expect any of you shallow people to understand because you are even lower than the bacon you’re so sorry for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ann Barnhardt’s propoganda is a product of a woman who needs a strong perscription, possibly one that will also reverse that “brains and balls’ syndrome that apparently has her brains where her balls should be, and vise versa.
She’s angry and NUTS! (pun intended)
Not even close. Just because she’s strong and doesn’t cower in fear is why you don’t like her. Her calling it like it truly is, does more for America than all the touchy feely PC rhetoric you can spout.
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