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The Lost Airliner

June 28th, 2014 - 3:36 am

Perhaps the single most comprehensive summary of developments — or lack thereof — in the MH370 mystery is by Bruce Drum of World Airline News.  It lays out the state of knowledge about what happen to missing Malaysian Airlines jet and where the search may go from here.  Australia has drilled a dry hole in it’s last best guess area which it is scouring with the autonomous underwater vehicle called the Bluefin-21. “The Bluefin-21 will be redeployed in this new area. The exact new area is still being determined.”

The new phase “will be a major undertaking … The equipment used for the search will likely include a towed sonar, an Autonomous Underwater Vehicle with mounted sonar, and optical imaging equipment. We expect the search to begin in several months and take up to 12 months to complete.”  The very fact they didn’t find anything in the first search underscores how uncertain the knowledge is. Plan A failed, it’s now on to Plan B.

Why are they looking in the the new area? It’s one of the other possibilities suggested by the satellite signalling system which is all they’ve got to go on after the last reliable radar data.

Following the loss of primary radar, the only available information was from satellite signalling messages, also referred to as ‘handshakes’, between the ground station, the satellite and the aircraft’s satellite communication system. For each transmission to the aircraft, the ground station recorded the burst timing offset (BTO) and the burst frequency offset (BFO). …

The meaning of the BTO is straightforward. It defines the “arcs” along which the plane might be found. These rings describe the famous ‘arcs’ that were used to determine the “northern” and “southern” routes which formed the set of possible locations for MH370. “There were 7 handshakes between the ground station and the aircraft after the loss of primary radar data. The location rings calculated from the recorded BTO values are shown in figure 4. … The 00:19 signalling message (7th arc) was a logon request from the aircraft. This is consistent with the satellite communication equipment on the aircraft powering up following a power interruption. The interruption in electrical supply may have been caused by fuel exhaustion.”

The BTO is a measure of the time taken for a transmission round trip (ground station to satellite to aircraft and back) and allows a calculation of the distance between the satellite and the aircraft. Based on this measure, a possible location ring can be mapped on the surface of the earth (Figure 3). An analysis of SATCOM system parameters showed that the accuracy of the rings was ± 10 km. This analysis was validated using recorded BTO values from the initial stage of the flight when the aircraft’s position was known.

Where o where did it go?

How far did it go?

Why aren’t they looking in the north? Much of the answer can be found in the Australian Transportation Safety Bureau (ATSB) report, which describes the BFO or burst frequency offset (BFO) in much more detail than the news articles. The BFO is the source of Doppler data,  ”the recorded value of the difference between the received signal frequency and the nominal frequency at the Ground earth station (GES).”

Once the known error associated with the BFO is removed, the remainder is the Doppler Effect associated with the relative motion of the aircraft to the satellite (ΔFup). For a given relative motion, there are many combinations of aircraft speed and heading that will produce the correct frequency change (BFO). There is however a limited range of speeds at which an aircraft can operate and therefore the number of feasible speed/direction solutions is limited.

Those limitations constrain positions on the arcs. The BFO generates a series of best-fit-to data lines which intersect with the BTO arcs. These intersections  arewhat defines the Southern area.

Intersection

Intersection

The searchers are working on the theory that the 00:19 signal — the last arc — occurred near to the aircraft’s fuel exhaustion, and therefore the wreckage is near to it. “The intensified search will begin in August 2014 and is expected to take up to 12 months, depending on weather conditions. The successful tenderer will use the data from a bathymetric survey (already underway) to navigate the search zone, which has water depth between 1000 and 6000 meters.”

The ATSB investigators very carefully avoid making any conclusions about what happened on MH370, except to say that the airplane appeared to be flying in a manner consistent with autopilot for a long time.  Were there dead men at the controls? Was everyone on the airplane dead for hours? The Malaysian police, for whatever it is worth, have named “captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah as the chief suspect, if human intervention is to blame.”

Police have not out alternative causes, such as mechanical failure or terrorism – they simply suggest that if foul play is involved, Captain Zaharie is the likely perpetrator. He is known to have installed a flight simulator in his home, and police investigators now say he had programmed flights out into the Indian Ocean that involved landing on a small island airstrip. The data had been deleted from the simulator but police were able to recover it.

That’s like saying that if Inspector Clay was murdered then somebody’s responsible. How much meaning there is in the Malaysian police report is questionable. Something happened on MH370 but we don’t know what it was.  Nor perhaps can we ever know. Given the size of the search area, probabilities and assumptions have to worked into the position modeling. Abstraction makes it tractable but it introduces a necessary simplification or “white lie” into the analysis.  We cannot know exactly how far the simplification lies have taken us from the truth, and all we can do is make the best guesses and hope they are close enough.

Plan A failed. Maybe Plan B must fail as well. The sea is a big place. Maybe the writers of Plan 9 have the right lines for the MH370 mystery.

Col. Edwards: This is the most fantastic story I’ve ever heard.
Jeff: And every word of it’s true, too.
Col. Edwards: That’s the fantastic part of it.


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One of the salient facts about dealing with the US government, European governments or Muslim governments [I will leave it to the Gentle Reader to evaluate and personally decide on how large or small the intersection of those sets may be] is that in any serious event one can safely assume that the "official" story is not the truth. And that said story will be either based on an ad hoc case of gluteal coverage, or a deliberate, considered falsehood to prevent public knowledge of something that would interfere with their personal profits and power. National interest, which could be a legitimate excuse for falsehood; is frequently invoked and almost never appropriately.

Seriously. When was the last time that the government candidly told you the truth about something important?

Further, with the State-controlled media in this country, and other countries, working solely to further the interests of the regimes -- in their own countries -- ; when was the last time that you got intentionally accurate news from the news media? The qualifier about protecting their own regimes does leave a little wiggle room. For instance, the Brits in general have no problem telling some of the truth about the American regime, making their press a valuable resource for Americans so long as the local mind sets are factored in. The Tories are roughly like American mainstream Democrats for policy. Their Labour is still mourning the death of Stalin. Their Liberal Party mourns the fall of the Soviet Union, but does it incompetently. Every country has its own filter for reporting American news.

In such a world, is it any wonder that any citizen who has not mainlined the Leftist Kool-aid assumes that they are being lied to? Especially when the consequences of the powers-that-be lying or being wrong are likely going to be disastrous for the non-Nomenklatura. All the design margin, all the safety factors in our society are gone.

So when a Muslim airliner takes off from a hotbed of Muslim terrorist activity, deliberately tries to conceal its location by avoiding air defense radar nets, and then disappears; the assumption that what happened is not a problem and it safely crashed into the ocean is not the first thing that comes to mind. Especially when said powers-that-be with a track record of deception insist that such is so.

In operational analysis of a hostile force [yes, Islam is a hostile force], you evaluate capabilities not what you believe are their intentions. We have an aircraft that has the capability of flying, barely, to a safe and concealed airport in a militant Muslim country. We have a pilot who defines the concept of "hinky", however that word is said in Malayan; who apparently practiced simulated ultra-short field landings on islands in the Indian Ocean, and attempted to deliberately conceal that on the simulator.

It may be that this was a mechanical failure. After all, pigs will fly [for a short while] if enough thrust is applied. Why a mechanical failure would skirt AD radar coverage is another point.

It may be that he tried something particularly nasty, and failed and is now recycled organic waste in the Indian Ocean.

Or it may be, just maybe, that whatever he tried, he succeeded at. And we are being lied to again in hopes that either the rest of the plot will fail ... or perhaps in hopes that the rest of the plot will succeed. Is there anyone here who does not believe, for instance, that some factions of the US government would not welcome a major terrorist attack on the US?

So by all means, keep looking. I hope that they find it on the ocean floor west of Australia. Finding it would be definitive. But given the total lack of credibility of any statements by US and Malaysian governments, you have to assume that something very unpleasant is a rational possibility as the outcome of this in a world where the US government has allied itself with Islamic terrorists.

Iran will have a deliverable nuclear weapon soon, if they do not have it already. Pakistan already has such an arsenal. The Saudi's may have put interesting warheads on the Chinese IRBM's they have. The ISIL now holds the WMD's [nerve gases] from Saddam's day in Iraq that the Democrats swear on their equivalent of a Bible [Alinsky's books?] were not there when we invaded, and suddenly apparently appeared when we left. All of these have allied terrorist groups all over the world who can be convinced to make a delivery. A Boeing 777-200ER [the ER stands for Extended Range] could be a handy delivery vehicle.

You prepare for what your enemies may have the capability to do, not what you think they want to do. Because if you are wrong in what you think they are going to do, if you are able to cover what they can do, you may live. If you only prepare for what YOU think they want to do, if you are wrong, you are scrod.

Subotai Bahadur
16 weeks ago
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The Process People are eager advocates of exploring "root causes", except when the root causes are not Judeochristianistdeadwhitemaleheterosexistcapitalism. Then it just becomes, "Work place violence."

If it was the Northern route it was Uighurs. If it was the Southern route it was AQ. If we do not identify the cause then we cannot prevent a reoccurrence.

Last night I flipped channels and saw one minute of "Blue Bloods." It was a scene I have seen on every police procedural over the last ten years. The action stops while a bearded man in traditional Islamic dress lectures the police on how the terrorists are not "true muslims" and his people are subject to daily abuse and discrimination. The cops stand there like children without interrupting and then when walking away one says "Why do they come here?" and the other answers "Everyone is welcome. It is our job to protect them." This is terrible television. Everything around it is being done at a high professional level but the need to cram in this message trumps basic rules of theatricality.
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If I was writing this story, the best ending would be if suddenly, tomorrow, MH370 suddenly asked for clearance and landed in Hong Kong.

And when asked "what happened? Where were you??" the pilot, and passengers, all said "what do you mean? We just took off 6 hours ago."

It could still happen that way, you know.
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Buddy Larsen (below)--a 1.5% grade is 1 foot per 100 ft, right? So maybe a .45 degree slope? Somehow I can't imagine a train going up a 45 degree slope.
16 weeks ago
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Given that Malaysia is a Muslim country, jihad sympathizers in official capacity are ubiquitous. It is very likely that its government scrubbed all evidence of who took down the plane.
16 weeks ago
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And then that South Korean ferry came by and hit the tailfin sticking up under the surface and capsized.
16 weeks ago
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Ferry rhymes with Barry:

He could have captained that ship just as well.

("I'm getting the Hell Outta Here!")
16 weeks ago
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Rats, we only have 5 minutes to edit a comment now? I meant to attach this one to the string of Rod Serlingesque fantastic suggestions.
16 weeks ago
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I recommend (and occasionally even DO this) writing your rant in a word processor, do a splee chekc, then copy and paste. Sometimes it can save you some aggravations.
16 weeks ago
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PJ Media deems you a loser.

Own it.
16 weeks ago
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A SEAL's Spirit:

http://vimeo.com/95565445

...a friend of our son's friend.
16 weeks ago
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meso commented below that some of the old hypotheses have been ruled out due to the release of previously confidential data. [The data is not really "new", it has just been publicly released.]

But take something as simple as the assumption that the aircraft flew at a constant altitude on the final straight leg to splashdown.

What altitude? Duncan Steel assumes 35,000 feet. If the plane was at, say 15,000 feet, it moves the satellite ping ring.

Another issue we debated was the fact that the Earth is an oblate spheroid, so the rings are not true circles. The software draws them as circles, it is a limitation of the software, not reality. There is a distortion, which he acknowledged, in that the ping ring on taxiing for takeoff does not pass over the Kuala Lumpur airport. When your search zone is of only 10 KM radius, you can miss the target even if it is within a 10 NM radius. they took the plunge on the hope they'd get lucky. They didn't. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.

Relying exclusively on the ping rings when there is other evidence is a mistake. You've got to try and build a more complete picture using everything you can find.

16 weeks ago
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The earth is not round? Wot the hell?
I circled the thing and can tell,
the Meridians run pole to pole
(if not compassed, by map folderol)
and the Parallels are quite parallel!
16 weeks ago
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The meridians are great circles, but not parallel; the parallels of latitude are parallel but not great circles.
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the Equator is.
16 weeks ago
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The olde terms have so much more charme than 'Longitude' and 'Latitude'
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At the poles, you can cover all the lines of Meridian with the tip-toe, say a one inch circumference, of your snow boot. At the Equator, the one-ince circumference of your big toe of your bare foot (too hot for the snow boots) would have to be 24,000 miles in circumference. I don't see how you could even walk, with a toe that big. If you are 6' tall at the poles, and stayed in proportion, at the equator you'd be 144,000 feet, or a little over 27 miles, tall.
16 weeks ago
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Then... Who lives in Poland?
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This Polish guy is visiting in the US, and decides to get his eyes checked while he's here. Optometrist gets him seated in the chair and asks him if he can read the eye chart. "Read it?" he says, "Hell, i KNOW those people!"
16 weeks ago
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But you could not stay in proportion due to the square/cube rule or whatever they call it because your body mass would be cubed while the diameter of your leg bones would only be squared, meaning if you so much as breathed your leg bones would snap in a million pieces, or at least in half. I certainly wouldn't recommend your trying it.
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--hadn't thought of that --jeez, thanks! Lessee, 200 lbs @ 6' tall, that's 33.33 lbs/ft. Times 144,000, you (or anyone else composed of a like number of similar type atoms) would weigh 4.8 mm lbs, or precisely the same as four (4) Union Pacific Big Boys (locomotive with tender fully loaded with coal = 1.2 mm lbs).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8f9VFlNyDQ

The Big Boys came on track in 1941 and ran through 1959. They could pull a five-mile train (up to 650 cars) at 80 mph, and maintain 60 mph over the 1.55 grade over the westbound track at Sherman Hill, the steepest section of the Wasatch Range. A 1.5 grade is a 45 degree angle.

No way I'm gonna carry four of them around, i don't care if i AM over 27 miles tall. It would just be a freak show anyway, unless four of them were actually needed somewhere they couldn't get on their own anyway.
16 weeks ago
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Those 'new' revelations by the news papers are first, nothing new, and second just pure speculation. (To sell books?)

A large proportion of pilots practice all sorts of different scenarios in real life and in simulation. When you've played out all the boring regular landings, your current routes and all the engine out games you can think of you play with short field landings, landings over the edge of cliffs or in narrow valleys. These days they are all there to be played with at the touch of a button.

All the situations that have been offered have some serious challenges, including that of the rogue pilot and for each action a rogue pilot may have taken there is an answer. While it looks simple this, like all the other scenarios is not straight forward at all.
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True, there are at least five plausible explanations for the deleted flight simulator files:

1. Preparation for a hijacking to one of those destinations
2. Deliberate misdirection to cover a hijacking to some other destination
3. Innocent pilot playing with unusual flight scenarios for amusement or out of curiosity
4. Conscientious pilot trying to practice for every possible emergency scenario
5. Worried pilot preparing for the worst due to specific concerns about the reliability of the aircraft or the quality of the airline's maintenance

Note that in every option except 2 the pilot could have deleted the files because he had finished with them or because the simulation wasn't realistic enough for his requirements, without intending to conceal anything. In option 2 the files were not securely deleted because they were meant to be found.
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It is my impression, subject to revision by more data of course, that the deleted files took extra time to recover because there were special efforts [multiple deletions and overwrites, etc.] taken to remove them. Otherwise, they would have come up on the first forensic examination of the disk.

I will add one other scenario that does not indicate guilt. If the deletions were part of a general clearing of the disk because it was full. However, in that case a simple one time delete would suffice. Why would there be an attempt to defeat forensic examination based on scenario 3? Or 4?, Or 5? Or a general clearing of space?

If there were efforts beyond normal one time file deletion [which really just clears the addresses of files and convinces the computer that the file's space is blank and can be overwritten] such as deliberate overwrites with random data; that is indicative of mens rea which should shape further investigation.

AND one of the key points that has not been mentioned by the authorities is following up on the wife, as noted by buddy larsen. Always look for the anomalies.

Subotai Bahadur
16 weeks ago
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The deleted files may have been harder to recover as they were partly overwritten. Once the address is nominated as 'deleted' the spaces are available for overwriting and are used almost randomly depending on space on the disk. They aren't 'saved' as space until all the other space has been used.

The geeks have ways of unwinding some of the overwriting, sometimes. Without having a full explanation we are still in the area of speculation.
We may be so for ever.
16 weeks ago
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--and what about his marital breakup just before he left on the flight. Real, and he wanted to die --and leave his kids orphans? Or faked, to protect her from accusations of accomplice when the plane resurfaces as a terror weapon?
16 weeks ago
16 weeks ago Link To Comment
One of the salient facts about dealing with the US government, European governments or Muslim governments [I will leave it to the Gentle Reader to evaluate and personally decide on how large or small the intersection of those sets may be] is that in any serious event one can safely assume that the "official" story is not the truth. And that said story will be either based on an ad hoc case of gluteal coverage, or a deliberate, considered falsehood to prevent public knowledge of something that would interfere with their personal profits and power. National interest, which could be a legitimate excuse for falsehood; is frequently invoked and almost never appropriately.

Seriously. When was the last time that the government candidly told you the truth about something important?

Further, with the State-controlled media in this country, and other countries, working solely to further the interests of the regimes -- in their own countries -- ; when was the last time that you got intentionally accurate news from the news media? The qualifier about protecting their own regimes does leave a little wiggle room. For instance, the Brits in general have no problem telling some of the truth about the American regime, making their press a valuable resource for Americans so long as the local mind sets are factored in. The Tories are roughly like American mainstream Democrats for policy. Their Labour is still mourning the death of Stalin. Their Liberal Party mourns the fall of the Soviet Union, but does it incompetently. Every country has its own filter for reporting American news.

In such a world, is it any wonder that any citizen who has not mainlined the Leftist Kool-aid assumes that they are being lied to? Especially when the consequences of the powers-that-be lying or being wrong are likely going to be disastrous for the non-Nomenklatura. All the design margin, all the safety factors in our society are gone.

So when a Muslim airliner takes off from a hotbed of Muslim terrorist activity, deliberately tries to conceal its location by avoiding air defense radar nets, and then disappears; the assumption that what happened is not a problem and it safely crashed into the ocean is not the first thing that comes to mind. Especially when said powers-that-be with a track record of deception insist that such is so.

In operational analysis of a hostile force [yes, Islam is a hostile force], you evaluate capabilities not what you believe are their intentions. We have an aircraft that has the capability of flying, barely, to a safe and concealed airport in a militant Muslim country. We have a pilot who defines the concept of "hinky", however that word is said in Malayan; who apparently practiced simulated ultra-short field landings on islands in the Indian Ocean, and attempted to deliberately conceal that on the simulator.

It may be that this was a mechanical failure. After all, pigs will fly [for a short while] if enough thrust is applied. Why a mechanical failure would skirt AD radar coverage is another point.

It may be that he tried something particularly nasty, and failed and is now recycled organic waste in the Indian Ocean.

Or it may be, just maybe, that whatever he tried, he succeeded at. And we are being lied to again in hopes that either the rest of the plot will fail ... or perhaps in hopes that the rest of the plot will succeed. Is there anyone here who does not believe, for instance, that some factions of the US government would not welcome a major terrorist attack on the US?

So by all means, keep looking. I hope that they find it on the ocean floor west of Australia. Finding it would be definitive. But given the total lack of credibility of any statements by US and Malaysian governments, you have to assume that something very unpleasant is a rational possibility as the outcome of this in a world where the US government has allied itself with Islamic terrorists.

Iran will have a deliverable nuclear weapon soon, if they do not have it already. Pakistan already has such an arsenal. The Saudi's may have put interesting warheads on the Chinese IRBM's they have. The ISIL now holds the WMD's [nerve gases] from Saddam's day in Iraq that the Democrats swear on their equivalent of a Bible [Alinsky's books?] were not there when we invaded, and suddenly apparently appeared when we left. All of these have allied terrorist groups all over the world who can be convinced to make a delivery. A Boeing 777-200ER [the ER stands for Extended Range] could be a handy delivery vehicle.

You prepare for what your enemies may have the capability to do, not what you think they want to do. Because if you are wrong in what you think they are going to do, if you are able to cover what they can do, you may live. If you only prepare for what YOU think they want to do, if you are wrong, you are scrod.

Subotai Bahadur
16 weeks ago
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I'm guessing the amount of accurate reporting of events in Britain by US Media approaches ZERO closely.

Other than William and his bride and Pipa.
16 weeks ago
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Modern man believes he knows all the answers, that quantum physics is locked in with consciousness, that the universe is decipherable. But the face of God cannot be painted in a brush stroke. Perhaps some things are unknowable, and perhaps some things known by our fathers were not so wrong. And so it might be with the mystery of MH370.

The scientists preen for they’ve answered it all
The engineers shout out their worth
But maybe the ancients were right, you’ll recall
And they fell off the edge of the Earth

16 weeks ago
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My dear old Dad (now departed) used to say: Listen to what people say; and listen to what they do not say. There is a word missing from this summary of the modern day analog of the Marie Celeste -- China.

Many of the passengers on MH370 were Chinese. Yet China has played a minor role in the search for its missing citizens. Might this suggest that the rapid rise of China has been rather uneven? Yes, China can keep the world stocked with low-tech fly-swatters and high-tech consumer electronics, but perhaps China still lacks the kind of cutting-edge technology which would let it search for a missing plane in deep water? And possibly China lacks some other things as well?

We can't deny that China has a rover on the Moon. But how real is the Chinese ship-killing missile which can change course in flight to take out a moving aircraft carrier?

Or are both China and the US holding back in this search, to avoid exposing what their capabilities really are? (No need to enquire about European capabilities; despite the aging boomers who pat themselves on the back for buying BMWs, Europeans are no longer real players in the technology game).
16 weeks ago
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It was reported, and quickly forgotten, that right before the plane's disappearance Taiwan notified China about a planned terrorist attack at Beijing Airport. If terrorists were aboard, they could've accidentally blown up the flight prematurely. Or, the Chinese ship-killing missile you reference, is real and was used to blow up the plane before it could reach Chinese territory.
16 weeks ago
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Any theories on why the suspect was shooting short-strip landings on his flight simulator --and perhaps trying to delete the evidence? Could we assume, based on the computer forensics finding, that his last known consciously navigated bearing was toward a short strip somewhere?
16 weeks ago
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Who knows? He was bored and thought he could become an American C-130 pilot in his dreams?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar-poc38C84Or

Or he had a forewarning of trouble and was practicing his Gimli glider skills?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_glider

Run out of fuel and try land it safely anyway?
16 weeks ago
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great film --that's a lot of airplane for a carrier deck. Check out the youtube of Doolittle's B-25s taking off from Hornet --some of the film from an escort vessel, you can see those pilots roll off the end of the deck and push the nose down --getting a zoom going at --what, 15' off the wave-tops? Jeez --those guys were hombres!
16 weeks ago
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Buddy, my Dad was in the crew of the Hornet (CV-8) for that raid, and stayed with the ship until it was sunk in the Battle of Santa Cruz Islands in October of 1942. One of the stories he told was that the crew sometimes would find the steel ropes holding the planes down would get hot enough to blister your fingers. Turns out they were absorbing the radiant energy from the new RADAR systems!
16 weeks ago
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@Mad Fi: if you're <70 years old, than it's a wonder - nay!- MIRACLE - you were conceived/born at all! ;-{
16 weeks ago
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Or a C-17
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